The corrupt, biased, inept, UnAmerican, US Supreme Court
has denied the Application for stay in the Philip J Berg
Vs Obama case. Yes, the same court that has as Chief Justice
John Roberts, the man that swore in an ineligible president
yesterday.
That’s right, the buck stops here. There will be no politically
correct BS on this blog. The US Supreme Court should have ruled
on several matters months ago, including but not limited to,
the following:
- State responsibilities in presidential elections.
- Clarification of the provision in the US Constitution requiring
a president to be a natural born citizen.
This is part of their responsibility and they failed us.
From the US Supreme Court
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 21, 2009
ORDERS IN PENDING CASES
08A505
BERG, PHILIP J. V. OBAMA, BARACK, ET AL.
(08-570)
The application for stay addressed to Justice Scalia and
referred to the Court is denied.
For more on this case and other court cases:
Citizen WElls 
Not surprising. These guys have dug themselves a huge hole by not acting early on when they could have simply defined who does what.
Now they have to deflect, deny, and ignore.
So, it’s on to Taitz’ case on Friday, and I know there are more coming.
One day closer to knowing The Truth about barry soetoro.
>One day closer to knowing The Truth about barry soetoro.
Or continued refusals to hear the matter. They can continue to deny requests and it seems there is NOTHING “we the people” can do about it
Why am I not surprised.
I discovered several excellent articles written by Rev. M. Bresciani at American Prophet.org.
In the one about the inauguration of this fraud, he writes:
Quote:
Twenty two percent of the United States voted for Obama in the general election. John McCain drew a little under Obama’s tally so that means that 78 percent of the nation either voted for McCain or did not vote at all. With all the hype about the Obama inauguration it seems safe to say not everyone is perfectly thrilled with the choice the 22 percent has made. Let’s see.
The Rev. goes on and asks whether or not it is OK to use Barry Soetoro – and is that his real name?
Then he writes:
This is exactly the kind of question that is bouncing around in the minds of a growing number of the 78 percent of the nation who either sided with McCain or with no one at all. It raises the question of whether it would be wise to wake up the nearly 200 million non-voters who think America is just doing business as usual. If Barack Obama has no more standing than an American Idol winner when the nation gets the drift wouldn’t he be waking a sleeping giant to his own dismay?
Many think it is not a question of if the American people will wake up but only when. No president has been able to withstand his own un-popular and failed decisions while in office. That Obama will make such mistakes is a foregone, it is only how soon and how bad.
The truth about this usurper will one day come out. I don’t know when or how, but it will.
The Bible tells us:
Num 32:23 But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
CW Thanks for all your help, in trying to get the truth out. I find it hard to believe what has happened to our country. I can only wish pain to all that allowed this fraud into our White House. Like the old saying. If you can’t beat ’em join ’em. Good Luck my fellow Patriots.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/alex_spillius/blog/2009/01/20/barack_obama_inauguration_his_worst_speech
It isn’t difficult to figure out whose payroll the SCOTUS is on. It is the multiple payrolls of multiple world billionaires.People like George Soros,Nadmi Auchi,and probably a couple of others. This makes for a life of luxury for the folks at the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS is the billionaires domestic help.
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the oath sworn was botched, so one could say he didn’t swear the correct oath. (perhaps even obama administered the oath to Roberts! Roberts is so focused on giving this oath, his first, he is not letting ANYTHING get in the way of it. The constitution, nothing. It’s 110% ego, 0% constitution. That will be his legacy to bear.)
just like no objections were asked for according to US code under the constitution
more and more evidence that our government is inept and not upholding our laws, oaths, and constituttion
I’m really bummed today. I really didn’t want to see it go this far. Is it me or does it seem that we have lost the desire to push forward? Does anybody else have any ideas on what could work?
Seems to me that we all discovered just what our country stands for. Which is power and greed.
Having been teaching my children about the American Revolution, I am saddened by all of this. Even, at the elementary level, they are aware of the requirements and functions of government. Funny thing though, in vocabulary this morning, my children learned the word “documentation” and my daughter jumps up, gives me the definition and an example–her example was a birth certificate–she then says, like the one Obama won’t show! Out of the mouths of babes!
@venice
This is the first comment on that article.
I thought it is worth posting.
“Sounds like The Life of Brian. Oh dear, buyers remorse is setting in already. Where were the Free Gas Cards? The Oprah style Cadillac Giveaways?
Will Obama now be resigned to taking his HopeyChangey show to Vegas for 2 shows a night? playing to ever dwindling audiences?
Will he do a “Best Of” series now? Endless reruns?
What about all the paraphernalia leftovers? “
I personally believe that the billionaires have joined forces in a world effort to subdivide the US into thousands of sq.mile blocks that will eventually amount to packages of land the size of three or four states or larger that will be confiscated by the billionaires with which to create huge private empires. The United Socialist States of America will be the name of the overall entity. It is designed to become the private playground of the world billionaires. This country will become a land of CHIEFS in which there will be a very disproportionate amount of warriors. Only those people who are hired by the LORDS will be allowed to live in the USSA,and they will be watched 100%of the time. When the employee reaches 65 years of age he/she will be put to death. Only a few couples will be allowed to marry each year. They will be only allowed to have only two children. Single parenthood will not be permitted. Each alleged family unit will not be allowed to use excessive electric power,water, or fuel, and food will be doled out by the employer,and tightly controlled. Fuel of all kinds will be rationed by the employer,and in amounts only large enough to achieve the purpose at hand.
Where have we heard, and seen all of this in the past? Only this time it is the billionaires who will be the government and their GOON squads will heavy handedly enforce all of their employer’s rules. Great thout,huh
Just read this on lucianne-
Reply 22 – Posted by: Betty Jean, 1/21/2009 7:57:05 AM
Re #12. I don’t think a birth cert. will be forthcoming. Zero and Plugs met secretly with eight of the nine Supremes on 1/14 and as they left the building, ‘When employees glimpsed Obama on his way out, a loud cheer went up in a building that exudes decorum. The article is By Lynn Stuter January 20, 2009 NewsWithViews.com On Wednesday, January 14, 2009, at the invitation of Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, Also Known As Obama (hereafter known as AKA) and his sidekick, Joseph Biden, paid a visit to the United States Supreme Court, spending the better part of an hour sequestered in secrecy with eight of the nine United States Supreme Court Justices. Justice Alito was not in attendance. According to an Associated Press release, written byMark Sherman, “When employees glimpsed Obama on his way out, a loud cheer went up in a building that exudes decorum.” The article is ‘SCOTUS: Message to the American People.’ by Lynn Stuter, January 20, 2009 NewsWithViews.com I would say no one at the Supremes gives a rat’s patootie whether he is a citizen or not. They’ve bought the pig in a poke.
I think SCOTUS is stringing us along with the timing of the conferences so we keep hoping for resolution by the Court and thus are distracted from moving in any other direction.
About how many hits per day on this site, CW? How many of us are there?
Can the government find out our email addresses/IP addresses from our posts in a blog?
I’ve been reading Edwin Viera and I’m getting scared! Our country has been turned upside down and nothing is right anymore…
The jackasses believe they have won.
We will hit them in the pocketbooks and voting booths.
Stay tuned.
PS-I would not rule out recall initiatives and impeachment.
Guys —
I still think that SCOTUS is “case shopping.”
They are looking at the sleaves and checking out the merchandise — but they haven’t found one yet that they like.
The cases are getting better, and more mature.
Orly’s Lightfoot v. Bowen has a lot of merit, –but I still think that Keyes v. Bowen is the very best of all.
Don’t mistake what I’m saying — Berg v Obama is an excellent case, but Berg chose to pursue a fraud case, and that requires a lot of evidence that simply has not yet survived the test of a trial, and cross-examination.
This has to become Berg’s motto, now that he is getting into a better court for his arguments:
“No haste, no hurry; no waste, no worry.”
Effective water-boarding can still be done simply by using the steady drip, drip drip, drip drip, drip, drip, drip, drip of the Law.
“We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”
experts say obama has to re swear oath, not real president…..how about a suit and stay on the ….re swear!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/21/MNAF15E20I.DTL
IF this is not resolved, BO will have it follow him all throughout how ever many years he’s in office. It will constantly haunt him. Also, I’m hoping Stephen Pidgeon finds out more as he’s having people researching.
Roberts stumbled over his word because HE KNEW this usurper would not be faithful to the constitution…how appropriate
Dear Mr. Wells,
How could obama be impeached? From what I have read a usurper can not be impeached. Could you explain please?
Kathy
let us suppose you found the long form birth certificate….you found ‘ IT ‘ HAD NO AMERICAN PASSPORT UNTIL ‘IT’ ran for state SENATE…’it ‘ has no shot records and they are found….;it ; got a student loan using his INDONESIAN PASSPORT…’.IT ‘ is found out to be a COMMUNIST…. what will WE THE PEOPLE do NEXT…/////
da verg,
Excellent article. What caught my eye was this:
“But because the procedure is so explicitly prescribed in the Constitution, Beermann said if he were Obama’s lawyer, he would recommend retaking it, just as two previous presidents, Calvin Coolidge and Chester Arthur, did under similar circumstances.”
Are these con artists all being trained at the same academy??
Just got back. Don’t lose heart about Berg. Berg is still alive in the 3rd Circuit. I would have been surprised if the SC had granted it since they denied the other. I am still hoping with Lightfoot v Bowen, Broe v Reed, and then Berg again. Something will happen. We need to keep the pressure on the Court and making posts on news articles. Keep fighting.
Broe v Reed – Any word on the filing of the case with SCOTUS? Is Steve still doing research?
See Dr. Orly’s blog: http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-ambush-by-tom-kovach.html.
Today, a column on this guy’s blog disappeared. He points folks to another column of his that is still there–
http://tomkovach.us/blog/2009/01/the_obama_oxymoron.html
CW–are you doing everything possible to prevent sabotage of your site? Hope so.
I want to call your attention to Dr. Orly’s post –
http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-ambush-by-tom-kovach.html
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JeffM // January 21, 2009 at 2:51 pm (edit)
Broe v Reed – Any word on the filing of the case with SCOTUS? Is Steve still doing research?
Have not heard.
zachjonesishome,
I just read that. It makes perfect sense, although I believe many in the service are concerned because there are too many question marks for them. I don’t think they are going to stick their necks out unless there is beyond a shadow of a doubt this man is ineligible in their eyes.
Would it be possible for CW to delete the first article I published and keep this one. I read the article and rewrote it. I hope it is imporved.
Constitutional Crisis Permitted by the Supreme Court
The holy of holiest nine guardians of the Constitution knew last summer. They had it in their power to prevent this hideous “CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS” staring America and before the world write smack in the face. Officially they knew with Philip Berg’s case filed August 21, 2008. Time was of an essence. They could have and should have prevented what America is now facing. They had it in their power to postpone or stop the election until America was assured the man who would win conformed with the three requirements of the Constitution. It was their sworn duty to do so. This wasn’t about Obama. It was about upholding and protecting the US Consitution.
These nine sacred pillars of justice looked the other way. They turned their backs on America and hung it out to dry. Knowing “time is of an essence”, they took their good old time to respond. Then at the 11th hour they denied motions of injunctions to stop or at least post pone various stages of the election until the candidates were proven to meet the only three Constitutional requirements to serve as President of the United States.
After a period of “great silence” by the Supreme court. They simply fooled around and made denials without comment. They are so arrogant they didn’t even think they owed America an explanation. The public who loved and wholeheartedly believed in the nine great protectors, were confused, shocked. Eventually we began awakening. It was unbelievable to think with America’s national security at stake, these guys wouldn’t make the issue of a potential presidents “natural born citizen” rule a first priority.
More suits followed Philip Berg’s suit. Donofrio, Dr. Orly Taitrz filed excellent cases. Some of these are still being knocked around in the Supreme Courts procedurals process. It isn’t hard to predict how these will be decided. Except for some denials of some motions, the Supreme Court simply ignored that Time is of an essence. Slowly the public began to ask what was wrong with this picture.
The greatest revelation as to the Supreme Court’s thinking and attitude regarding the Obama suits was the secret meeting on January 14, 2009 Justice Shithead Roberts instigated with a defendant and his cohort in the many lawsuits before the court. Imagine a judge sitting down to tea with a defendant in a case he must be making decisions upon? Unheard of, and never to be done! This was a real eye opener for me. I was certain after that meeting, no justice on a white horse was going to appear to save America.
The final and last finale was Justice Shithead Robert’s swearing in Barry Sotoero—who never produced one document to prove is he is or is not qualified to be president. Before the whole world Justice Roberts violated his SACRED OATH and installed a USURPER INTO THE WHITHOUSE. The minute he did that he became a traitor to the United States, a criminal, and committed treason. Now the whole world knows what Justice Shithead Roberts conspired with an imposter to sell America to the highest bidder. Now Justice Roberts, and the other eight Justices must be charged with Treason, Conspiracy, being Traitors and brought to trial. This will not be tolerated.
What more information does America need to know about the moral turpitude of the nine men of the Supreme Court? Their actions have more than telegraphed to the world they have breached their fiduciary duties, broken the oath to uphold and protect the Constitution. They flaunted their acts of Constitutional violations as if they were pearls of glory. It doesn’t take a Steven Hawking to know it will be a waste of time and money to bring any more cases before the Supreme Court in hopes of justice being served. Justice doesn’t exist there. So from hence forward look elsewhere to find justice.
Finally, the untouchable Supreme Holies need to be made accountable for the conspiracy to commit crimes against America. At this stage, it makes no difference if they hear and rule on any of the Obama cases still before them. So what is they now claim Obama is not qualified. The damage already done by their manipulation, fooling around, and actually going so far as to swear this flim-flam man into the Whitehouse is already done. It is in the billions of dollars, a compromised American security, the loss of our Constitution as Rule for America and a major world wide loss of respect for America. (It is one thing to hate America. It is quite another to no longer respect America.)
These nine judges need to be terminated for breach of fiduciary duty, for failure to honor their oath, for conspiracy and treason against America, perjury, failure to do their job when asked by the public, placing America in the greatest crisis since 1776, and for knowingly installing a usurper into the Whitehouse. The Constitutional Crisis America now faces could have been prevented had it not for the fact the Supreme Court was part of the conspiracy. Now it is time for WE The People to put the Supreme Court, Congress, Senate, Electoral College, and every one else who knowingly chose to ignore the facts and support a Usurper.
They think because they are so many, they will not have to be accountable for their actions. Wrong. We will publicly expose them persistently for as long as it takes to terminate their positions.
Therese Daniels
Copyright Jan.21, 2009
USA Patriots Shout
You know something, you guys are never going to get to the bottom of this. If the Supreme Court is unwilling to hear this case, and Congress is unwilling to challenge it, unless you think rioting in the streets is viable political solution, which I don’t, this is never going to be resolved. There just is no forum to bring this case before. Maybe some state legislature or Congress will grow a pair and pass some laws that will require appropriate proof of qualifications.
JeffM – If one does, truth of Obama’s ineligibility would be a defense. Obama’s orders are unlawful if he is not eligible. Zach
I agree. His orders would be unlawful. And Obama would have to prove he is eligible at that point. All it takes is one military trial and it’s curtains for the usurper. The real question is, will someone object to military orders coming directly from the president?
The Hollister case is asking the question. Should I follow Obama’s orders?
Very true. However in Hollister’s case, there are some differences:
1. He’s not Active Duty
2. He hasn’t received a direct order from the usurping “Commander in Chief” yet.
It’s a pretty dicey thing to challenge military orders, including those from the president, the commander in chief. But, we have a moral obligation to refuse if such are unlawful. No one can make you do what is wrong. Funny thing, it takes no guts to do what easy. It takes genuine courage to witness to the truth. Now, the crux of the matter is that you have to be able to prove that the order is unlawful. If you can’t do that, you might as well get ready for the long course at Leavenworth. The first active duty soldier, sailor or marine to try it–sans proof–is going to be made an example of. Then, other military will back down. We had better have our ducks in order before such a challenge.
Having said that, Orly’s blog had a note a little while ago that a relative of Obama’s has asked for the birth certificate from Hawaii. If memory serves, the law is that a relative, such as someone doing genealogical research, can have it. The relative has been told that they could have it but it could take a year. Gives plenty of time to circle the wagons, strategize and mount the mother of all defenses.
Don’t give up hope. Remember, in the words of O himself, “Yes, we can!!!!”
All good things come to those that wait!
If enough military start passing along concerns up the chain of command to Joint Chiefs of Staff, someone should take notice. Kovach is only asking those who believe Obama cannot give lawful orders to resist. Make some noise. Maybe some who have 25 or 30 years in and are ready to retire would have the balls to refuse an unlawful order? It seems to me that it is their duty to refuse. There should be some means for review of a soldier’s refusal to comply with an unlawful order within the military short of Court Martial. Military personnel might want to contact the Judge Advocate General’s office on their bases? All Obama would have to do is prove he is a “Natural Born Citizen” – game, set, match – we all go away. The military does their duty and follows Obama’s orders and hopefully he doesn’t get us all killed or cause Israel to be destroyed.
Linda Starr on obamacrimes says that Barry never had any US Passport, found out by FOIA.
twe said:
“Now, the crux of the matter is that you have to be able to prove that the order is unlawful.”
That’s actually the easy part. Look no further than the U.S. Constitution and the fact Obama himself admitting he was a British Born Citizen at birth and that Obama Sr.’s divorce papers reveal Obama Jr. to be his son.
That’s all anyone needs to fight it. Citizens, active duty or otherwise, need to force SCOTUS to clarify the Natural Born Citizen clause. They are refusing to so, but a military court case would surely expedite the demand of the people.
Obama’s first order may be one to resist since it may put our troops in danger.
Obama draft order calls for closing Guantanamo Bay http://news.aol.com/article/obama-draft-order-calls-for-closing/303331?cid=12
I have not read the article.
Our Courts should be acting as a check on Obama’s lack of eligibility.
This is part of Tom Kovach’s article:
Rule 916 of the Manual for Courts-Martial (MCM), “Defenses”, especially subsections (c) and (d), makes clear that not only should a military member not be charged with a UCMJ offense for not obeying an unlawful order, but also that said military member does, indeed, have an “affirmative duty” to disobey an order that he knows — or, “that a person of ordinary sense and understanding would have known” — to be unlawful. The commentary of Rule 916 also cites Rule 801(e), stating that the question of whether the person giving the order was in a lawful position to give said order becomes an interlocutory question. The brilliant men that wrote the Constitution of the United States did so in a manner that “a person of ordinary sense and understanding” could properly interpret the entire document. Nowhere is that more clear than in the clause requiring the president to be “a natural-born citizen”.
http://tomkovach.us/blog/2009/01/the_obama_oxymoron.html
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I just put a post up to get others to join us here.
Interesting topic for discussion.
You’re ahead of me.
I’ve go to go now. Hopefully, I’ll check back in to see if we have any new comments. Have a Great Evening. Zach
As always, well said Therese.
no good said:
“Linda Starr on obamacrimes says that Barry never had any US Passport, found out by FOIA.”
Actually he supposedly received a U.S. Passport upon becoming a senator.
That being said, the U.S. State Department site says:
“Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.”
Q: Well, Mr. Soetoro, how do you explain this???
A: You were born overseas and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in the summer of 1988.
well theresa, SH Roberts did NOT administer the correct oath
even if it was correct OBAMA is still usurper.
Maybe Roberts screwed up on purpose.
Thanks Zach, et al.
but i don’t see where name calling would help the cause.
just have to get the right case , if orly, doesn’t do it, then we know the “fix is in”, with 175% certainty.
Yes, it’s likely Roberts DID “screw up on purpose”. Carefully read this thread from advanceindiana.blogspot.com:
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A San Francisco Chronicle story today cites several constitutional scholars as saying President Barack Obama should retake his oath of office because of the misstatement of it by Chief Justice John Roberts. “In giving the oath, Roberts misplaced the word “faithfully,” at which point Obama paused quizzically. Roberts then corrected himself, but Obama repeated the words as Roberts initially said them.”
This would not be a first according to the story. Both Presidents Calvin Coolidge and Chester Arthur did so under similar circumstances. Ironically, Chester Arthur was probably the first and only other president until Obama to skirt the constitutional requirement that a president be a natural born citizen. Arthur lied about his date of birth because his father had not yet become a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth, a fundamental requirement for being a natural born citizen.
Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen at the time of his birth and all times thereafter. Accordingly, he was born with dual citizenship and fails the natural born citizenship requirement. Obama also later became an Indonesian citizen after he was adopted by his step father, Lolo Soetoro. His name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro. It is unclear if or when his legal name was ever changed back to Barack Hussein Obama. I think the NBC issue is of a little more concern than whether the oath was properly recited word for word, but I’m not a Harvard law graduate like Obama and Roberts so what is my opinion worth. And what is the oath worth if the person reciting it didn’t use his actual legal name?
Posted by Advance Indiana
comments:
Ted said…
Q&A:
Who was the 44th President of the USA?
ANSWER:
Joe Biden.
He was the Acting President for at least 5 minutes under either the Constitution’s Article 2 or the Constitution’s 20th Amendment, from 12:00 Noon 1/20/09, having already taken his Oath of Office and before Obama completed his ‘oath’ at approximately 12:05 PM, 1/20/09. Under the 20th Amendment if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, or alternatively under Article 2 if the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term, being 12:00 Noon 1/20/09, which ability and/or qualification includes that he take the Article 2 oath “before he enter on the execution of his office,” then either the Presidency shall devolve on the Vice President under Article 2 or the Vice President shall act as President under the 20th Amendment.
Here’s why this may be significant. If a subsequent Supreme Court ruling disqualifies Obama as not being an Article 2 “natural born citizen”, Biden’s automatic succession (without needing to take a separate Presidential Oath) to the Presidency could be predicated upon either and/or both having been Vice President under Article 2 or, if that be deemed problematic because Obama’s unlawful Presidency is nullified, Vice President-elect under the 20th Amendment.
Advance Indiana said…
The Supreme Court will never do it, Ted. Once the Court allowed him to take office, it will not revisit the issue except to dismiss any last remaining challenges.
Ted said…
Advance Indiana, as they say, “the jury is still out on that.”
We shall see!
Article 2 of the Constitution is pretty cut and dry.
Advance Indiana said…
Yes, Ted, but you have to be able to get a case heard first. Not a single court anywhere in this country has agreed to hear the merits of this claim. That is a very sad statement on the state of our judiciary when the citizens are powerless to enforce an important part of their constitution, or at least get a fair hearing on their challenge, but it is where we are today. And both political parties are equally at fault for allowing this to happen.
Ted said…
Advance Indiana, where have you been? There are a number of cases RIGHT NOW PENDING at the US Supreme Court (which dovetails with why Supreme Court Justice Roberts appropriately did NOT give the Oath specificed in the Constitution; he gave Obama a different “oath”).
Ted said…
And, AdvanceIN, be patient, the Supreme Court has merely denied injunctive relief, probably to keep the peace of the country, but they WILL get to the merits.
Don Sherfick said…
I suppose that in an abundance of caution perhaps there ought to be another swearing in, and then some kind of ratification of any documents or orders that Obama may have issued in the interim. But unless someone can come up with a cogent argument as to why “to faithfully execute” and “to execute faithfully” mean something different, it would seem to be an exercise designed to prevent detractors from filing lawsuits more than anything else. Do you personally think there is really a substantive difference, and that literal following of the oath is mandated by the Constitution?
Advance Indiana said…
Don, I believe the oath was viewed as extremely important to the founders. That’s why it is required by Article II, which reads in part:
“Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:–“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
small-question said…
Wow. I mean, wow. A couple of words were accidentally recited in the wrong order, and some of you actually think this disqualifies Obama from being President? I was actually pretty shocked to hear Chris Wallace actually say this on national television yesterday. Frankly, if I were his boss, I would have suspended him for a week without pay for saying something that boneheaded on the air.
Here’s a hint, guys. You’ll rebuild your party’s reputation by coming up with some policy proposals and a positive vision for the country that will convince a cross-section of the population (not just southern white evangelicals) to get on board. The fact that this tinfoil conspiracy crap appears to show no signs of ebbing is discouraging.
Advance Indiana said…
small-question, You must have missed the part of the post where it noted that two previous presidents, Coolidge and Arthur, retook the oath later after it was botched the first time. It may seem silly, but the oath is specifically prescribed by the constitution. I can’t see this issue ever being successfully used to challenge an action of Obama, but precedent tells us to be safe rather than sorry.
Breaking–Headline News just featured a guy in Indonesia who is a BHO look alike! Hmmm!!!!!!!!
Back to Zach!
Normally, before charges are preferred for a Courts Martial for violation of the UCMJ, an Article 15 MAY BE offered to the offender. It’s a non-judicial, administrative form of punishment. It’s a non-federal charge. There are two types of these: company grade and field grade (there may even be a general grade). If the service member (SM) refused the Article 15 that is offered him/her, it goes to a Courts Martial, which is the SM’s right. Three levels of Courts Martial–the first used to carry a federal offense if convicted, it no longer does. The other two to carry a federal offense if convicted meaning you get a federal record and your fingerprints are registered with the FBI, etc, etc. First level goes before a single judge. A SM who has a rock solid case might want to go the Courts Martial route to–excuse the pun–make a case!
SMs who are in it for a career don’t really want to rock the boat. It can mean their careers, their paycheck, their assignments, jail, loss of security clearance, etc, etc, even if they are certain. It takes a certain type of individual to challenge military orders. It’s a very, very serious thing. That said, there is a duty to refuse to follow unlawful orders.
Both were nervous. Obama screwed up first. Roberts did not hesitate for more than a half second and Obama jumped in repeating the words and I guess that threw Roberts off. Didn’t take much.
Both were nervous. Both know he is not constitutionally eligible. The funny thing is that two highly educated Harvard graduates couldn’t say 35 words properly. Strange. Really weird.
Roberts should have turned to the audience (a la wedding-style) and asked, “If there is anyone here who objects to Mr. Soetoro taking this oath, please speak now or file a lawsuit.”
Hillary has been confirmed as SOS.
Nice. Yet another UNCONSTITUTIONAL appointment to government.
I often wondered what the Usurper is thinking at every moment. When one is doing something illegal, something illegitimate, something truly wrong, i would think that there is a sense of anxiety, of nervousness, of always looking over his shoulder.
Surely, he is aware of all the blogs, surely he reads them, surely he is reading my post right now (and if you are, YOU ARE A FRAUD!!!), and surely he is paying people lots of money to erase his past (did you read “1984”? That’s what the job of the main character was, to erase people from history, just by erasing all past documentation of them).
No doubt the Usurper can’t quit smoking, he would be a nervous wreck! the paranoia!
Trust this, Usurper, the patriots of this country will come out and get you, as careful as you were, there is ALWAYS evidence, and secrets, especially those this huge, will always come to light.
Yesterday was one of the darkest days in American history. I go from losing all hope to having hope. It’s the patriots like Berg and Taitz and CW that give me hope, so please don’t give up this fight.
When we fight for truth and justice, God is always on our side.
Just remember Churchill’s famous words “we must never surrender”.
If it hadn’t been for the Brits, the Allies may not have won.
News from BBC:
“Obama pledges ‘era of openness’
US President Barack Obama has issued executive orders on government ethics and transparency as part of a packed first full day in office.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/obama_inauguration/7843424.stm
GREAT! I’m calling the Hawaii Department of Health first thing in the morning.
You have got to watch the video on the BBC link:
“Obama: ‘Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency’…”
The people of this country really are truly sheeple, aren’t they.
You point your finger But there’s no one around Just want one thing Just to play the king But the castle’s crumbled And you’re left with just a name Where’s your crown, King Nothing?
-Metallica
“Roberts should have turned to the audience (a la wedding-style) and asked, “If there is anyone here who objects to Mr. Soetoro taking this oath, please speak now or file a lawsuit.”
Oh, my goodness, Janet! That’s the funniest thing that I’ve heard in days….LOL! I’ve been working on a rush depo and listening to attorneys arguing all day long. This is so funny. I have to remember this.
Hi all – I just found out some interesting information about O’s mom written by an Indonesian at http://www.indonesiamatters.com
Purba Negoro Says:
November 29th, 2008
Ann Dunham indeed moved to Indonesia- but there is no evidence she took up citizenship- she was merely a VISA KITAS class foreign resident.
And fully lawful marriage is allowed between citizen and non citizen.
Now here is a place to start researching! Everyone please look up VISA KITAS and what it exactly means and what it might mean as far as Obama’s Indonesian citizenship.
Ted stated that Article II of the constitution says:
“Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:–”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Question:
Does that mean a woman can never be President unless this Article in the Constitution is amended to specifically say “he or she”?
Just wondrin’ – things that make you go hmmm.
What would happen if we claimed we had legal grounds to NOT follow the law–not pay our taxes, not produce birth certificates to apply for a passport or job or security clearance, and
refuse to produce college transcripts, etc.—
citing that the POTUS did not have to provide one document of the like in attaining his position. Would a case filed along these lines
illicit Obama’s documents? I’m trying to
think this through. Thanks.
Maddie,
That will only work after we run for office. Once that’s done, we can spit on the Constitution, burn our IRS forms, seal our paperwork, and steal lollypops from babies.
9-11 Families outraged at Obama’s draft to close GITMO, maybe some of these people (who have STANDING) will feel impelled the litigate the USURPING sob…..?…..
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/21/families-outraged-obama-suspend-guantanamo-war-crimes-trials/
da verg,
Notice how he mentioned “closing” the trials but never mentioned when the prisoners would be moved. It could be years from now before justice is served.
That’s actually WORSE because now they are being imprisoned without trial.
And, as I posed the question elsewhere…
Is this Obama’s first MILITARY ORDER? If so, it sure is a controversial one that can be questioned not only on its ethical aspect but also based on his ineligibility, would it not?
Hi da verg – very interesting idea regarding the 9-11 families.
Looked up VISA KITAS as it relates to Ann Dunham (Indonesian blogger claims she was NOT a citizen, but rather was a Visa Kitas class foreign resident).
This is what I found:
Work/Residence Visa (KITAS) $550.00 – Price is inclusive and includes all other needed
procedures such as village reporting, police reporting and immigration Indonesia reporting. Processing time needed is 4 weeks, however applicants should contact us at least five weeks before planned date to enter Bali or Indonesia!
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Indonesia immigration – has anyone contacted them to find out if Barry Soetoro became a citizen?
If so, then his name was legally Barry Soetoro and there is no proof he ever LEGALLY changed it to Barack Obama II. Come to think of it, what does his marriage certificate say?
1- Let’s contact Indonesian immigration to find out the citizenship status of Barry Soetoro/Sutoro.
2- Let’s get a copy of his marriage certificate. Is that not public record?
http://thehill.com/dick-morris/the-obama-presidency–here-comes-socialism-2009-01-20.html
Whatever one might think of Dick Morris, he may not be too off base here.
We now he is a fraud, We know our courts and Supremes know this- yet will do nothing, We know Bush could have done something, We know the Constitutions is being trampled on, We know Congress knows this, We know our Senators Know this, We know He did not have a Passport until he became senator, We know his dad was an Indonesian citizen ( POTUS must have 2 parents that are citizens}, We know he was adopted as a boy, We know he went to school in Indonesia (must be a citizen of Indo to do that), We know his friends Rezko, Arors, Wright, Blago are outstanding citizens, We know he lied on his Lawyers oath, We know the media didn’t want to harm their chances @ billions of bail out money, So they kept quite, We know HE knows We Know this.
And I know we have a bunch of lazy Mac Donald eaten people in the USA who won’t do a thing about it.
Is their anything else you guys need to know?
I also know a chain starts 1 Link at a time. And I hope We can build a Chain That Will Never be Broken.
I am the first link, who will be the second?
I will be following WeThePeopleFoundation.org
CW, You have done a great JOB reporting.
Robert Boop
Having said that, Orly’s blog had a note a little while ago that a relative of Obama’s has asked for the birth certificate from Hawaii. If memory serves, the law is that a relative, such as someone doing genealogical research, can have it. The relative has been told that they could have it but it could take a year. Gives plenty of time to circle the wagons, strategize and mount the mother of all defenses.
Don’t give up hope. Remember, in the words of O himself, “Yes, we can!!!!”
All good things come to those that wait!
And wait they will–I read he has a year long hold on those records–just long enough to do the damage he is sent here to do??
The best case with Orly, just vanished from the SCOTUS docket today:
Obama has been in power only one day. Suddenly today my case has disappeared from the docket. The case was not dismissed. It is supposed to be heard on the 23rd of January. Each and every American Citizen needs to call the Supreme court and demand decency from these Justices. They have violated all principles of judicial integrity and ethics by inviting Obama and Biden to the closed door meeting only a few days before the hearing. They have inaugurated him in from of millions of people, when 3 days after the inauguration they are supposed to hear my case, where I state that Obama is not eligible for presidency and never was eligible. They were supposed to recuse themselves from the inauguration. What is going on? Is Chicago mafia influencing the Supreme Court? If we don’t have integrity with our elected officials and the whole system is corrupt, then it is time to revolt and change the system.
Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 3:09 PM
Looks like Obamas little trip to the Supreme Court may have made Orlys case “disappear” ???
She’s pissed !!!
http://drorly.blogspot.com/
I ALSO KNOW IT TAKES ONE YEAR FOR THE faked CERTIFICATE TO BE MADE AVAILABLE.even if a blood relative cares to see it…. that’s the LAW slowly as she goooeeesss
Biz.
Thanks.
This is not over.
We are galvanized.
Stay tuned.
http://www.drorly.blogspot.com/
Obama has been in power only one day and they are already playing games with the Supreme Court
Obama has been in power only one day. Suddenly today my case has disappeared from the docket. The case was not dismissed. It is supposed to be heard on the 23rd of January. Each and every American Citizen needs to call the Supreme court and demand decency from these Justices. They have violated all principles of judicial integrity and ethics by inviting Obama and Biden to the closed door meeting only a few days before the hearing. They have inaugurated him in from of millions of people, when 3 days after the inauguration they are supposed to hear my case, where I state that Obama is not eligible for presidency and never was eligible. They were supposed to recuse themselves from the inauguration. What is going on? Is Chicago mafia influencing the Supreme Court? If we don’t have integrity with our elected officials and the whole system is corrupt, then it is time to revolt and change the system.
I don’t know what’s up. From Dr. Orly
http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-has-been-in-power-only-one-day.html
Wednesday, January 21, 2009
Obama has been in power only one day and they are already playing games with the Supreme Court
Obama has been in power only one day. Suddenly today my case has disappeared from the docket. The case was not dismissed. It is supposed to be heard on the 23rd of January. Each and every American Citizen needs to call the Supreme court and demand decency from these Justices. They have violated all principles of judicial integrity and ethics by inviting Obama and Biden to the closed door meeting only a few days before the hearing. They have inaugurated him in from of millions of people, when 3 days after the inauguration they are supposed to hear my case, where I state that Obama is not eligible for presidency and never was eligible. They were supposed to recuse themselves from the inauguration. What is going on? Is Chicago mafia influencing the Supreme Court? If we don’t have integrity with our elected officials and the whole system is corrupt, then it is time to revolt and change the system.
Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 3:09 PM
Donofrio’s case is also gone!
This is really frightening!
As is Wrotowski’s!
I just double checked both the SCOTUS site and SCOTUSblog. They are, in fact, gone from both. This is an outrage!
http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/supreme-court-hottest-potato.html
You can contact the admin office of the Supreme Court at this site:
http://www.uscourts.gov/comment.html
Sorry, above address is just a general office, not specifice for the Supremes. Mea Culpa.
Guys —
Everyone take a chill-pill. The Supreme Court has to do what everyone else in Washington, D.C. does — they flip their calendars with the New Administration.
Congress, for example, posts everything in “Legislative Days” sequentially, so they can keep all their stuff synchronized.
There may be a few things that are accidentally lost in the switch-over, but they will soon be back where they belong.
This means “Nothing!”
I know everyone has been on high alert, and anxious, but as they say, “time wounds all Heels,” and we have one Big Heel in Washington, DC that “time will wound.”
I HOPE I don’t have to explain this joke to our friend “Patriot” anytime soon. You see, Patriot, its a “play-on-words.” Get it? Huh?
So, give it some time, and chill for awhile. “Help is on the way!”
Here’s one to enjoy —
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2009/01/20/barack_obama_inauguration_this_emperor_has_no_clothes_it_will_all_end_in_tears
Here is our problem. It takes time, energy, and a whole lot of money to make these criminals accountable. One might say that law is a matter of position. He who has it get away with breaking it.
After all is said and done. Former President Bush and all people of position, power, and influence are acting and talking as if it is a done deal. Obama is the president. This makes us all a bunch of uncooperative Mavericks!
We –all who believe with our very heart beat–that Obama is a Usurper will need to become a very large, major force to make ourselves heard, respected, and ultimately feared in every legal and political corner of America. It is my gut feeling if we fail to do this and Obama remains an unchallenged Usurper three months from now, then we will be stuck with the farce for his full term. That might be the next 40 years if succeeds in becoming dictator.
It looks to me we have just a few choices. 1.fDo like the rest of the sheep and follow blindly and silently; 2. leave the country, 3. Unite and fight on all level–but this first requires a plan and unity.
usa patriots shout
Thanks Bob-
I just checked some case number before and after Donofrios and they are not there, as well.
Bob – I hope you are right. I am not familiar with Supreme Court online posting procedures.
Zach.
As you are aware, I am disgusted with SCOTUS.
I would give anything to confront the whole lot.
Y’all may not agree with me in this matter, but this is what I think. I do not blame Pres. Bush for this at all. I like Pres. Bush and believe that he was treated unfairly by millions. It wasn’t even his place to handle any of this.
So this brings me back to a thought that I had at the very beginning of the bailout mess and how it happened so quickly, just bam!!! I’m wondering if we have been blackmailed in some manner, which I don’t know how. I’m still mentally going back to this, as I’ve seen others do themselves because nothing makes sense now, does it? Whatever the case may be, something is going on for sure.
CitizenWells – There’s room in the Hall of Shame. I have always had a great deal of respect for the Supreme Court. If you can’t count on them, we are in for a turbulent time.
CW woo hoo thanks for not giving up the fight. I agree with the idea to recall or impeach who are still sitting in the the offices we pay for. I live in Michigan. If someone can get the proper paper work, I personally will get the proper number of signatures to recall him, Although with my investigation, he can not be recalled, only impeached. So anyone that knows the facts, let us know. Although the law changes like the weather, good luck.
ps you me and the misses should have went to hawaii. 🙂
Your cases will never see the light of day again.
You will be silenced. If you keep trying to destroy our country you may get code Red Alexa status and end up being scratched.
The power that you’re messing with you have NO IDEA how quick and lethal the bite can be. Your putting yourself, your children, your pets, your extended family, everyone you know in lethal danger. I would suggest you behave and it wouldn’t hurt for you to just try to live an honest life and get rid of your computer. That thing will end up being the key to your destruction if you’re not careful.
I just heard that Obama retook the oath of office.
I suppose he does realize there are some constitutional demands that must be specifically met.
How about that pesky citizenship problem, Obama?
Some cases will get “scrubbed,” because they are “moot.” Meaning, as argued, there is nothing that can be accomplished with a decision.
Orly’s is something of an ‘enigma.’ She asked the full-court to ‘recuse’ itself, because of her pending lawsuit. What if they handled that by simply discarding her case, then voila! ‘Nothing here to see, let’s all move along now.’
That would be a fit of pique on their part, and would be the best proof yet of their thin skins.
My guess would be, if they have done that, then Chief Justice Robert’s muck up of the Presidential Oath was no accident, either.
By this I mean, God was messing with his mind and his conscience, and he wasn’t listening!
So, today the whole world is talking about the screw-up, and asking for a do-over, but CJ Robert’s is standing in front of the mirror in the cloakroom nursing a black-eye that God landed on him in front of an audience of millions on worldwide TV.
I think it was a message for us that everything is still in God’s good hands. That’s why we need to chill.
Politico.
Do not expect anymore attention here.
However, if you wish to become crippled, attack me.
Just hand to hand, primeval combat.
No cowardly threats toward innocent people.
This is a response from Jeff at America’s Right regarding cases disappearing:
Anonymous said…
Is there any legitimate reason for these cases to no longer be on the SCOTUS web docket?
Before you get all conspiratorial, it looks like the docket search function won’t recognize “orphan” applications (applications not attached to a cert petition, like the ones in Keyes, Donofrio, and Wrotnowski). If you search for Berg’s application (08A505) it does show up on the docket, but under the docket for the underlying cert. petition (08-570).
For example, last Friday SCOTUS denied application no. 08A522. 08A522 doesn’t appear on the docket either, and it isn’t a birfer case.
As for why, it may be a glitch. It may be SCOTUS has retooled its docket search function. But the data gap isn’t limited to just birfer cases.
I love the spirit and energy of people who post on this and other blogs. There is so much sincerity, goodness and hope.
However, I am a realist. Stop clutcing at straws. No the Supreme isn’t waiting for the right case. The right case was brought to them by several attorneys. They refused to act upon them when they should have–before Obama was elected not after.
So both Obama and Roberts flubbed the oath. That is a fact. The rest of the thoughts about it are all wishful speculation. They will not remove the Usurper based upon the oath flub.
So we discover unpleasant useless facts about Obama, his mother, his father and his family. That and a dollar won’t buy us a cup of coffee. Our time needs to be spent seeking useful and effective ways of getting accurate information to the public, figuring out ways to terminate our stinking elected politicians who betrayed us before their term ends, asking the states to consider seceding from the union–like Texas, and learning what our legal redress is to the Supreme court who failed us. (If Texas decides to secede from the union, I’m moving to Texas.)
The supreme court, like Pontius Pilot, washed their hands of making the decision regarding the Usurper being a natural born citizen. I don’t care how much we huff and puff, we will never blow down the Supreme Court house this way.
WE are at the thresh hold of an American challenge like none in history. We must be certain to be honest and factual in all our statements, do everything peacfully, legally and non violently but effectively. That is our job now. We already have enough information about the crimes by Obama and those who helped him get where he is now–be it a short or a long term.
We need our own news papers, TV and Radio stations to be constantly shouting about what the government has done to us. We need a large well organized body of people to march 300,000 strong with signs calling Obama a usurper. We need thousands of law suits filed in all courts accross America against the local Congressmen, Senators, judges, electoral college voters, and the Supreme court. This is where our energy, passion, and spare money–if we have any should be. At this stage I don’t give a rat’s tail what Stanely Dunham did or did not do.
It’s our choice. Shall we continue useless blah, blah, blah or shall we start to be effective.
Time is of the essence.
If it weren’t so serious, it is actually rather pathetic watching them all scurrying around – trying to look important – as if nothing were amiss. To put things in perspective, transport yourself to maybe 1975 or 1980. Suppose the president you just elected turned out to be born in East Germany and for years has been and still is a Russian citizen. Would you find that alarming? How much circumstantial evidence would you need to at least feel compelled to ask some questions? How much more urgent would it be if almost no records were found and the ones you are sure exist would not be released by the candidate/president?
Here we go, this is the key to why all the Senators, all the Representatives, McCain and the Secretaries of State, and the SCOTUS … this is why they have all reacted the same exact way. Because of this … that someone was brave enough to expose by writing here on this very blog. It’s up above, written by “Politico”. THIS IS THE THREAT THAT HAS KEPT THE MSM et al from further looking into the truth … here it is again below:
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Politico // January 21, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Your cases will never see the light of day again.
You will be silenced. If you keep trying to destroy our country you may get code Red Alexa status and end up being scratched.
The power that you’re messing with you have NO IDEA how quick and lethal the bite can be. Your putting yourself, your children, your pets, your extended family, everyone you know in lethal danger. I would suggest you behave and it wouldn’t hurt for you to just try to live an honest life and get rid of your computer. That thing will end up being the key to your destruction if you’re not careful.
by the way I just looked up “code red alexa status” on the googly and there was nothing at all there. not one thing.
perhaps, politico, you would like to either admit you made that up OR explain to us precisely what you meant.
Can anyone promise me, I would not be killed for fighting for OUR CONSTITUTION?
Tonight on Fox News Sheppard Smith commented on the botched oath and then added that there are people out there questioning BHO’s citizenship.
What did I miss?
Therese —
Go read Keyes v. Bowen, and noticed that subpoenas are being filed in an orderly fashion.
That it the way it should work.
SCOTUS doesn’t have to see everything for the legal system to WORK.
Plus, there is a lot more stuff out there, taking all kinds of twists and turns. You just haven’t read about it yet, but it’s coming along.
Nobody is giving up, and nobody is telling you not to move to Texas, either.
I happen to live in a ‘Blue State,’ surrounded by millions of ‘Blue Staters.’ And, they are suffering one huge case of HUB syndrome.
It will take an awful lot to change their minds, but I am confident we will — and the Big Heel will help us, because he can’t help himself!
The threats posted above seem similar to those levied by King George against the colonial agitators, who we now consider patriots and Fathers of our Country.
Lynn Sweet mentioned it on Lou Dobbs tonight when it was announced that Obama has re-taken the oath . She said there were still bloggers who even though it was proved Obama was born in Hawaii still don’t beleive it . So it was better to re-do it to stop even more law suits from bloggers. Geeeeeeesh , there is NO DOUBT they have all known and helped to cover this up all along.
And I was outraged by the Rev. and Tom Brokow crying comments about getting even with rednecks and bigots. Who the &%ll do these elite snobs think they are to go around judging everyone else. This is 2008 NOT THE 1960’s for Christ sakes…. Just because I don’t respect Obama due to HIS AND THE MEDIA”S race baiting that I don’t deserve and never have once again he lumps us all in the category of bigots , and rednecks or as others say Racists.
These people make me sick to my stomach and I can’t tell you how hurtful it is .
What Politico wrote above is considered a threat and is illegal. Threatening death is illegal in this country, Politico. Do you think you are exempt from the law? Here’s a threat for you this time. If we ever see you making death threats again on this blog or on any other, we will report you to the FBI and the CIA. Your threats were terroristic in nature. Are you an American? Didn’t sound like it. In THIS country, we honor our right to free speech, so don’t threaten people with death for speaking about their feelings and expressing their opinions.
citizenwells, you have this person’s IP address? Perhaps you should report it. In fact, I strongly suggest that everyone reading this should copy and paste that blog post with a link and email it to the FBI right now.
That message above from Politico is that a comment left by someone on Politico to a story ?
If that was a message left directly on this blog then CW’s should report it just like they do on NQ and TD Blog etc. etc. ??????
Maybe this is just grabbing at straws; however, is t possible that Bozo might have some enemies somewhere that would be willing to talk? Perhaps the man (I do not remember his name)who was supposed to be his friend Bozo made sure wound up back in jail? I think Larry Sinclair is aware of this man and would probably remember his name. As dishonest as he is, surely he has made some enemies along the way. He can’t get rid of them all. Just a suggestion.bkw
I have a suggestion. Today I heard that they left a “fully furnished home” in Chicago. And I was wondering why they would leave everything in a home with no people in it.
But then I remembered when people discovered that their home phone number was answered by a socialist group based in California and the suggestion was made that MeeshO was running those “camps” from their home. You know, those 15 camps set up since the 90’s where they are indoctrinating people to go forth and spew Obamaisms which they refer to as community organizer groups. eh hem.
So my suggestion is that wnd.com or anyone else inclined should hire a private investigator and see what is really going on in that home now that they are inhabiting our White House.
Remember now, that home does not have the Obama name on the deed, the name on the deed is Rezko’s lawyer’s name. So … what’s going on in that house now?
• Margie // January 21, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Can anyone promise me, I would not be killed for fighting for OUR CONSTITUTION?
THE LAWS OF NATURE
Only 2 human emotions exist.
Fear or Love.
Fear and Love cannot …. And do not….. Flourish in the same environment.
Our founding fathers called upon the laws of nature’s God.
To me this means…… living in fear is not living, as if dead, or the same as being killed.
Love is….. Life, light, liberty, and happiness.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (Humans) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I promise to myself to exercise my god given rights. To uphold the constitution and the republic for which it stands for, so help me god.
WE the people (creative Humans) determine the environment. I am creating in the passion of love of country and will co-create with all those who choose.
Margie, live in the passion of love of country and your love will be eternal.
One day In the course of human events.
Love to all the patriots!!!!
Sandy
Yes, WND is reporting Roberts went over to the White House to readminister the oath…no Bible this time.
Re “Red Alexa”…I used scroogle.org (the .org is very important). Red Alexa can be either a handbag, a tumor or an avatar–silly wabbit!! Ha, ha, ha!!! LOL
I have filed a complaint with the FBI re. Politico. You can do the same:
https://complaint.ic3.gov/
Leo Donofrio is back with information:
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/08/treasongate-federal-grand-jury-fourth.html
Must read! We have the power!
Kim,
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
JeffM, Leo gives the link I posted to this essay in his naturalborncitizen link you posted.
Thanks Kim,
I immediately read it and assumed they were the same.
Nonetheless, we are beginning to irritate many pro-usurpers on the internet because we speak the truth about Soetoro.
These hacks and threats would not be occuring otherwise.
THE FOURTH BRANCH of the Government of the United States. Besides, the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches, I submit that there is a fourth branch, THE GRAND JURY, and “we the people” when sitting as grand jurors, are, as Scalia quoted in US v. Williams, ” a constitutional fixture in its own right”. Yes, damn it. That is exactly what the grand jury is, and what it was always intended to be.
Scalia also stated, that “the grand jury is an institution separate from the courts, over whose functioning the courts do not preside…” Id.
And finally, to seal the deal, Scalia hammered the point home:
“In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people. The Constitution of the United States, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, gives rise to a FOURTH BRANCH of Government, THE GRAND JURY. We the people have been charged with oversight of the government in our roles as grand jurors.
And at this critical time in American history, we must, for the protection of our constitutional republic, take back our power and start acting as powerful as the other branches of government.
Leo said to spread this far and wide!
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/08/treasongate-federal-grand-jury-fourth.html
Is it any wonder the public is so confused when it comes to the Supreme Court. Imagine these stinkers denying, stalling, and refusing to make timely decisions about Obama being a natural born citizen and not eligible to be president but Justice SH Roberts runs over to the Whitehouse today to swear in Obama for a second time!
What is it with these hypocrites? Either we have a Constitution we obey or we don’t. As someone once said the Constitution is not a menu. We can’t pick and chose which parts to obey which not to!
Usa Patriots-shout
“The power that you’re messing with you have NO IDEA how quick and lethal the bite can be. Your putting yourself, your children, your pets, your extended family, everyone you know in lethal danger. I would suggest you behave and it wouldn’t hurt for you to just try to live an honest life and get rid of your computer. That thing will end up being the key to your destruction if you’re not careful.”
This definitely sounds like a threat. Report it!
Yep, there was a do over tonight with the oath.Pool reporters said it was very cordial and friendly with Roberts profusely apologizing to Obama at least 3 times for his screw up. He said it was his first swearing in and he was nervous. There goes another conspiracy theory..
kittykat77- In the 70+years that I have been on Earth I learned early on that people like Obama,and his middle Eastern friends do not have a conscience. This tells me that he will go thru his term,(if not impeached) having no remorse for his actions,or behavior. Nor will anything that he does haunt him. I personally think that President Obama’s character leans toward sociopathic. During my US Navy service I observed a lot of these sort of people. They ultimately become loners who do not fit in. In Destroyers it is imperative that crewman bond. They live very close. While the President isn’t constrained by a Navy life he does have a lot of people around him. If he is Sociopathic he is going to have character,and verbal conflicts with many of them from time to time. Sociopaths have a need for attention. Their whole demeanor consists of one word”ME” If anything it is this behavior that will get him into trouble early on. A President has advisors for some well founded reasons. If he gets all over them everytime they try to advise we will see a big advisor turnover. In my research I have read a few accounts of his general behavior. The author also believed that he was a little Sociopathic. How Obama conducts himself under extreme pressure will indeed tell the story. I am certain that he will have his share of extreme pressure. We need to wait,watch, and listen.
Kim // January 22, 2009 at 12:11 am
THE FOURTH BRANCH
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Yes! A big piece of the puzzle.
The Truth always becomes apparent.
Let me start to count the ways.
http://www.bibleprophecyrevealed.us/2002/beast.html
I f ound this article called the Beast in Revalations . I wonder why obama called his limo the beast , obama if you listen he gives clues or signs right out in the open , like he said he wanted to change the constitution at least several times on his train ride / we all know about the mark of the beast . i read the aricle that explains the connection of the beast and the end . obama uses code words if you listen he has said other things that put together is sending a message to someone , now yesterday he spoke to the muslim world . if you have time read this article could obama be part of the distruction of america and other countries , does he wish to have us all change to islam or face death , the muslims believe in jhad which is to make the world all believe or become islamic , if you get a chance read this. it is scary it tells what our future may be
Re: Missing cases on the SCOTUS docket
Plummer on http://www.restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.org/forum/index.php?topic=2624.msg11454;topicseen#new
says:
It is true. This is probably because of Obama’s order to freeze all investigations involving the federal government. I bet this freeze in never lifted. He gets sworn in by someone that knows he is a usurper and then he gets to abuse his authority by putting himself above the law. This is as scary as it gets.
Dennis- When damning records are discovered ,and the records clearly show that Obama is illegally holding the officce of POTUS you need to first have a few thousand copies of the document printed. Then you start mailing the copies to every newspaper in the United States. Then you start a foreign mailing. You keep this up until you begin to see, and hear lots of questions being asked,by millions of people world wide. Pretty soon heads of state will start asking questions in private. This will soon get out and then it won’t be long until the SCOTUS asks Obama for another visit. This time it might not be a social visit. At any rate the continuous publicity will eventually effect the behavior of the social Club within the walls of the SCOTUS. The MSM will be cringing in fear.Oh yes real deep pockets will be needed also. The postage could get a little hairy. I would be a contributor for such a program. So hurry up go out there and help all the others who are already hunting Stanley Anne’s POE records. That will tell it all,and would eventually bring Obama to a screeching halt. He could even end up being prosecuted. This needs to be somehow brought before a Federal Grand Jury.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/21/obama.oath/index.html
Obama retakes oath of office after Roberts’ mistake
“Though a Bible was used in Tuesday’s oath, one was not used for Wednesday’s.”
Hey Drummer Man- I was also watching Fox and I too heard him say that. This is absolutely the first time that any of this has been on Fox since Hannity talked about it a few months back. I am inclined to think that this was a slip of SHEP”S tongue. He may now be sufferring from a very painful backeide that might have been caused by his bosses size 11 shoe.
typo error bottom line (above text)
“backeide” should be backside
Sorry about that. Proves that I am human
Go over to the Hill and other news. Post all Barry’s payoffs to his left wing nut jobs. Ex: today barry asked the JCS to start working on a with draw from Iraq. Now that looks to me like a Code Pink payoff. BTW..the pattern deveoping by th O thugs is definately amazing. 90 million acres were stolen as well to pay off the Greenies two weeks ago on a sunday behind closed doors. We need to plaster every single one for all to see. SOETORO PAYS CODE PINK by leaking the request to calm code pink down. ECT. There are quite a few.
Can anybody out there tell me how a President who is not legally a president because he is not eligible can be sworn in as a president who will uphold the Constitution.? He is in violation of the Constitution just by being ineligible. How can he be sworn to uphold the Constitution.? I believe that the 20th amendment comes into play doesn’t it?
Yes, apparantly, the Beast screwed up the oath not once, but TWICE. How do you screw up something so simple that has been done for years, clearly rehearsed, and TWICE? the Beast messed up the wording the first time, and the 2nd time he didn’t put his hand on a Bible.
Clearly, the Beast burned his hand on the Bible the first time!
Haven’t read all the comments yet, but in the do over oath, Obama didn’t swear on the Bible from the pics on CNN/Fox site, is this still legal??
Also a must read, excellent article, this guy is spot on
Inauguration of Ignorance, a Festival of Fraud and a Reception of Racism
The Bread and Circuses Presidency
By Daniel Greenfield Tuesday, January 20, 2009
Call it the Bread and Circuses Presidency, or better yet the Bailouts and Reality TV Presidency. Forget expecting results or ethics from the occupant of the White House. Just join an organization or a cause and stick your hand out for your share of of misappropriated taxpayer money, and get ready to vote online for which puppy the Obamas should adopt.
… iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, panem et circenses.
(Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81)
… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses
So America continues the transition from a citizenry to a people, that waits for government handouts and the comforts of a monarchy as spectacle, broadcast simultaneously on all channels. While Obama preps a cabinet slate, half of whom belong in jail, the media continues applauding loudly to drown out any criticism. And the public watches with glazed eyes.
The millions who will trudge to watch this “historic” triumph of style over substance, dishonest criminality over ethics, and anti-americanism over American, will get exactly what they expect. A $150,000,000 coronation for the Prince of Chicago, a lavish subversion of American democracy splashed across every television and website.
cont’d here
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/7737
The way I read it, since Government does not want to use the Constitutional tool of a “Civil” Grand Jury (they used to be widely used in Massachusetts and California to keep a lid on Government mismanagement), then if you can get a Constitutional expert to put one together, you can make a ‘presentment’ to the American people on just about anything!
The reason this practice was stopped is because they were made fun of by the social club of ‘Kangaroos,’ which held “Kangaroo Courts” as a form of entertainment in the ’20s and ’30s, mocking the early practices of some famous frontier judges who were paid by the trial.
So, the practice kind of dropped out of sight, because of all the mockery that was made of it.
Still, they are perfectly legal, and might be useful. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do to stop you, because it is also protected by the 9th Amendment: just like Obama’s ‘Right of Privacy.’
So, government is only interested in the “Criminal” Grand Jury now, which is tightly reigned in by civil practices, designed to control ‘runaway’ Grand Juries.
The Grand Jury was the premise behind Kevin Kostner’s movie on the assassination of President Kennedy years ago, directed by Oliver Stone.
There the Kennedy Assassination was examined by a New Orleans “Grand Jury.”
Cheer up!
They can’t help but step in it — that’s just what they do!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/22/biden-takes-dig-at-roberts-over-oath-misstep/
This really worries me, closing Gitmo, stopping trials, limiting CIA…hmm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/21/obama-closing-gitmo-year/100days/
The SCOTUS can have Obama retake the
oath “just to be safe with the Constitutional
requirement,” but they can totally look the
other way on the NB issue and citizenship–
incredible! Am I still in this continuing
nightmare? Where IS the law?
OldSalt 76—I do believe you have nailed it!
Take the test.
FIRST QUESTION: Who IS the actual and lawful 44th President of the USA?
ANSWER: Joe Biden
Biden was initially the Acting President for at least 5 minutes under either the Constitution’s Article 2 or the Constitution’s 20th Amendment, from 12:00 Noon 1/20/09, having already taken his Oath of Office and before Obama completed his ‘oath’ at approximately 12:05 PM, 1/20/09. Under the 20th Amendment if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, or alternatively under Article 2 if the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term, being 12:00 Noon 1/20/09, which ability and/or qualification includes that he take the Article 2 oath “before he enter on the execution of his office,” then either the Presidency shall devolve on the Vice President under Article 2 or the Vice President shall act as President under the 20th Amendment. (The importance of the oath in ‘commencing’ an ‘Obama Presidency’ — rather than merely the 1/20/09 Noon time — is confirmed by the re-take of the ‘oath’ by Obama at the White House on 1/21/09 after the first ‘oath’ was NOT administered by Justice Roberts NOR recited by Obama in the words as required under Article 2.)
This is significant because at such time that the Supreme Court finally rules on the merits on Obama’s disqualification as not being an Article 2 “natural born citizen” (clearly he is NOT), Biden’s automatic status (without needing to take a separate Presidential Oath) of being President would be predicated upon four different bases: First, having been Vice President under Article 2; second, having been Vice President-elect under the 20th Amendment; third, having been actual President in the hiatus before Obama took the ‘oath(s)’; and fourth, retroactively deemed President during the full period of the Obama usurpation so that the acts of the Federal Government under the usurpation can be deemed authorized and/or ratified by Biden’s legitimacy.
SECOND QUESTION: Who will be the 45th President?
ANSWER: Hillary Clinton
One must assume that Bill and Hillary Clinton have been aware of all of the above. Biden’s wife recently “let the cat out of the bag” on the Oprah Show that both Biden and Hillary had considered alternatively Veep or Secretary of State, in either case, setting up Hillary to be President on a vote of the Democratic Congress if need be.
THIRD QUESTION: Is Obama an unwitting victim of this troika or a knowing participant?
ANSWER: Yet undetermined.
No one here is encouraging a revolution.
If anything it’s the opposite. We are trying to preserve our nation and our government. It has been soiled by corruption and the FBI must investigate.
Your comments have been deemed a threat. The FBI will be contacting you shortly.
The FBI already knows who I am along with everyone else on here.
I am going to refrain from speaking with you.
Note to everyone else. I was responding to Politico again. He was threating me personally with accusations the feds were going to cart us all away in paddy wagons for trying to save the nation.
Good Morning. Zach
Thanks Jeff – People here are just taking a political stand on what is right. No one is encouraging a revolution or even close to it. Some protests would be nice!
No problem Zach.
I am doing my civic duty to ensure our internet is free of threats by thugs.
And I’m also a Natural Born Citizen whos my country to its core. Like many on here I have faith in the faithless, as our creator has instructed us to do so.
That gives me some inspiration. How about a t-shirt that says “I am a Natural Born Citizen” on the front and de Vattel’s definition from the Law of Nations on the back?
Anyone interested?
The SCOTUS will rule on NBC the minute Jindal attempts to run,that’s why they are holding the cases.
A cyberspace SCOTUS called Pro-Constitution SOTUS needs to be formed.A vote can be taken on who the justices should be.CW can be the chief then a hearing can be given on NBC using case law.This film can be shared on all blogs and promoted on cyberspace.
Yesterday Obama stated that all state and federal offices are encouraged to have an open door policy and release any information requested by the public under the freedom of information act and he stated that he would deal with the departments directly that did not comply with this request. Can this be used to our benefit ?
JeffM.
Great idea.
By the way, as I stated to Politico earlier, he/she will not be allowed
to get more attention on this blog.
I approved the earlier comment/threat to provide a glimpse of what goes on
here. That was just the tip of the iceberg.
Charles – Can this be used to our benefit ?
Dr. Orly has already started. I’ve got to go. Back later.
Citizen,
Thanks. Keep his posts handy. You will probably be contacted in the next day or two with questions. I’ll keep you informed once I get called or emailed.
THE POT IS BEGINNING TO BOIL.
Just watched Chuck Todd on MSNBC now trying to explain the re-swearing-in ceremony and why. He said the internet has alot of lawyers expressing concerns. Citizen Wells is beginning to take effect.
I understand Barry said he didn’t have his bible with him so they did the re-swearing-in ceremony without one? Is this a first?
Ms. helga.
Thanks, but we are starting to take effect.
JeffM….sign me up for a shirt!
And Sultan Knish has a new one:
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2009/01/seven-laws-of-obamanation.html
Seven laws of Obamanation.
Maybe the whole oath thing was designed for him not to have to use the bible.
I don’t think Roberts (was it Roberts?) made this by accident. just don’t know what to make of it fully.
Is it true that Biden did the swearing in of the muppet show (Ocabinet).
That’s worth a heartfelt Hmmmm!
Today is Brockhausen day btw. Texas law suit.
Jeff: I try to keep it simple for da-bots
“jus soli, jus sanguine”
then I quote OBAMA himself, who cosponsored SR 511 about a natural born child being born of US CitizenS (plural) i.e. BOTH parents
Jeff: about the identification of ISPs…it reminds me of Yuri Bezmenov and how the Russian-assisted North Vietnamese swung in and in 48 hours killed every last opponent, go see his youtube, he’s was a KGB defector the interview was from 24 years ago.
We already are, brave patriots, we risk for truth.
so how do we go about protesting all these pending executive orders about to be penned by the usurper?
– FOCA
– Gitmo
– troops to afganistan
I need any excuse to lower my Federal taxes to zero……yicks! What if half of America did that? That would send a BIG message to the usurper!
Am I mistaken . . . or has this country been hijacked by a bloodless coup? That is what I believe.
One example:
Read at investigatingobama.blogspot.com
“Update, 1/21, 6:52pm: Just received this via email form a trusted source.
All the cases on Obama’s eligibility, even the pending ones, have been removed from the SCOTUS website.
One remains only to say that Berg v. Obama was dismissed today. http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm
Donofrio, Wrotnowski, Schneller, Berg applications and Lightfoot all removed. I checked the other 2008 cases having nothing to do with Obama and those are still there. Something is going on.”
After you read that, click on the Google search cache link above it, and after you read the list, click on Google’s link to the CURRENT page.
da verg: His Treasury Secretary says it’s *OK* to not pay taxes, because his actions speak louder than words.
I sent this note to my 2 U.S. Senators, Kerry and Kennedy who, I am sure, will ignore me.
Does nobody else find it strange that Biden did the swearing in of the Cabinet?
OK everyone…
Here are the new t-shirts:
http://www.cafepress.com/NBCitizenShop
If you want sweatshirts, let me know.
Any “profits” from the sales will go back to all the blogs and organizations we all visit and support!
Looks like docket info for Lightfoot back up!
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:QQDxe2U7EZwJ:origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a524.htm+http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a524.htm&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a524.htm
Sorry I first put up cache version
Robert Reich on why STIMULUS package should not go to “White Males.”
“I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers. …I have nothing against white male construction workers. I’m just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well. … Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others, the long term unemployed minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high-skilled professionals.”
So, somebody has already proposed a “National Sick Call” where all white males in the workforce, and those who love them, simply call in SICK, in order to see how much work gets done that day.
He — were a minority now! Let them do all the work for a change, while we stay home on the dole for a few decades! It’s our turn!
>smrstrauss
If this place bothers you go away
Citizenwells;
I apologize for putting up such a long article, but I feel this is a route that should definitely be explored. We need some additional input from better legal minds than mine as to whether this could be a profitable pursuit and, if so, how could we convene a citizen’s grand jury pursuant to our constitutional powers. It sure sounds better than some of our other options. Such a Grand Jury could be convened permanently as a powerful watchdog over the other 3 branches of government, which have now corrupted themselves beyond redemption.
Gordon
All of us may one day serve as grand jurors in federal court, and I hope this article will educate the reader to his/her true power as granted by the Constitution. For that power, despite having been hidden for many years behind the veil of a legislative fraud, still exists in all of its glory in the 5th Amendment to the Constitution. The US Supreme Court has confirmed and reinforced that power.
So please, copy this report and paste it far and wide. It is not spin. It is not false. It is not for sale, it is not copyrighted by me, so paste and quote it freely. This report is the truth and we need truth, now, more than ever.
The Constitutional power of “we the people” sitting as grand jurors has been subverted by a deceptive play on words since 1946 when the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure were enacted. Regardless, the power I am going to explain to you still exists in the Constitution, and has been upheld by the United States Supreme Court despite the intention of the legislature and other legal scholars to make our power disappear with a cheap magic trick.
Repeat a lie with force and repetition and the lie becomes known as truth. In the case of the 5th Amendment to the Constitution, the power of the grand jury, to return “presentments” on its own proactive initiation, without reliance upon a US Attorney to concur in such criminal charges, has been usurped by an insidious play on words.
Most of this article is going to quote other scholars, judges and legislators as I piece together a brief but thorough history of the federal grand jury for your review. But the punch line is my personal contribution to the cause:
UNITED STATES CITIZENS SITTING AS FEDERAL GRAND JURORS ARE THE FOURTH BRANCH OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
My input into this vital fight is no more than the analysis of a few carefully used words. It only took a small sleight of pen back in 1946 to hide our power, and it won’t take more than a few words to take that power back. But a proper overview is necessary for most of you who are unfamiliar with the issue at hand. So let me provide you with some history and then we’ll see what went wrong and how to correct it.
HISTORY OF FEDERAL GRAND JURY POWER
I want to draw your attention to a law review article, CREIGHTON LAW REVIEW, Vol. 33, No. 4 1999-2000, 821, IF IT’S NOT A RUNAWAY, IT’S NOT A REAL GRAND JURY by Roger Roots, J.D.
“In addition to its traditional role of screening criminal cases for prosecution, common law grand juries had the power to exclude prosecutors from their presence at any time and to investigate public officials without governmental influence. These fundamental powers allowed grand juries to serve a vital function of oversight upon the government. The function of a grand jury to ferret out government corruption was the primary purpose of the grand jury system in ages past.”
The 5th Amendment:
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury.”
An article appearing in American Juror, the newsletter of the American Jury Institute and the Fully Informed Jury Association, citing the famed American jurist, Joseph Story, explained :
“An indictment is a written accusation of an offence preferred to, and presented, upon oath, as true, by a grand jury, at the suit of the government. An indictment is framed by the officers of the government, and laid before the grand jury. Presentments, on the other hand, are the result of a jury’s independent action:
‘A presentment, properly speaking, is an accusation, made by a grand jury of its own mere motion, of an offence upon its own observation and knowledge, or upon evidence before it, and without any bill of indictment laid before it at the suit of the government. Upon a presentment, the proper officer of the court must frame an indictment, before the party accused can be put to answer it.’ ”
Back to the Creighton Law Review:
“A ‘runaway’ grand jury, loosely defined as a grand jury which resists the accusatory choices of a government prosecutor, has been virtually eliminated by modern criminal procedure. Today’s “runaway” grand jury is in fact the common law grand jury of the past. Prior to the emergence of governmental prosecution as the standard model of American criminal justice, all grand juries were in fact “runaways,” according to the definition of modern times; they operated as completely independent, self-directing bodies of inquisitors, with power to pursue unlawful conduct to its very source, including the government itself.”
So, it’s clear that the Constitution intended to give the grand jury power to instigate criminal charges, and this was especially true when it came to government oversight. But something strange happened on the way to the present. That power was eroded by a lie enacted by the legislative branch. The 5th Amendment to the Constitution still contains the same words quoted above, but if you sit on a grand jury and return a “presentment” today, the prosecutor must sign it or it probably won’t be allowed to stand by the judge and the criminal charges you have brought to the court’s attention will be swept away. And the reason for this can be found in a legislative lie of epic proportions.
Mr. Roots weighs in again:
“In 1946, the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure were adopted, codifying what had previously been a vastly divergent set of common law procedural rules and regional customs.[86] In general, an effort was made to conform the rules to the contemporary state of federal criminal practice.[87] In the area of federal grand jury practice, however, a remarkable exception was allowed. The drafters of Rules 6 and 7, which loosely govern federal grand juries, denied future generations of what had been the well-recognized powers of common law grand juries: powers of unrestrained investigation and of independent declaration of findings. The committee that drafted the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure provided no outlet for any document other than a prosecutor-signed indictment. In so doing, the drafters at least tacitly, if not affirmatively, opted to ignore explicit constitutional language.”[88]”
Rule 7 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (FRCP):
“An offense which may be punished by death shall be prosecuted by indictment. An offense which may be punished by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or at hard labor shall be prosecuted by indictment…”
No mention of “presentments” can be found in Rule 7. But they are mentioned in Note 4 of the Advisory Committee Notes on the Rules:
“4. Presentment is not included as an additional type of formal accusation, since presentments as a method of instituting prosecutions are obsolete, at least as concerns the Federal courts.”
The American Juror published the following commentary with regards to Note 4:
“[W]hile the writers of the federal rules made provisions for indictments, they made none for presentments. This was no oversight. According to Professor Lester B. Orfield, a member of the Advisory Committee on Rules of Criminal Procedure, the drafters of Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure Rule 6 decided the term presentment should not be used, even though it appears in the Constitution. Orfield states [22 F.R.D. 343, 346]:
‘There was an annotation by the Reporter on the term presentment as used in the Fifth Amendment. It was his conclusion that the term should not be used in the new rules of criminal procedure. Retention might encourage the use of the run-away grand jury as the grand jury could act from their own knowledge or observation and not only from charges made by the United States attorney. It has become the practice for the United States Attorney to attend grand jury hearings, hence the use of presentments have been abandoned.’ ”
That’s a fascinating statement: “Retention might encourage…the grand jury [to] act from their own knowledge or observation.” God forbid, right America? The nerve of these people. They have the nerve to put on the record that they intended to usurp our Constitutional power, power that was intended by the founding fathers, in their incredible wisdom, to provide us with oversight over tyrannical government.
And so they needed a spin term to cast aspersions on that power. The term they chose was, “runaway grand jury”, which is nothing more than a Constitutionally mandated grand jury, aware of their power, and legally exercising that power to hold the federal beast in check, as in “checks and balances”.
The lie couldn’t be inserted into the Constitution, so they put it in a statute and then repeated it. And scholars went on to repeat it, and today, as it stands, the grand jury has effectively been lied into the role of submissive puppet of the US Attorney.
The American Juror publication included a very relevant commentary:
“Of course, no statute or rule can alter the provisions of the Constitution, since it is the supreme law of the land. But that didn’t prevent the federal courts from publishing a body of case law affirming the fallacy that presentments were abolished. A particularly egregious example:
‘A rule that would permit anyone to communicate with a grand jury without the supervision or screening of the prosecutor or the court would compromise, if not utterly subvert, both of the historic functions of the grand jury, for it would facilitate the pursuit of vendettas and the gratification of private malice. A rule that would open the grand jury to the public without judicial or prosecutorial intervention is an invitation to anyone interested in trying to persuade a majority of the grand jury, by hook or by crook, to conduct investigations that a prosecutor has determined to be inappropriate or unavailing.’ [7]
What is the result? Investigating seditious acts of government officials can be deemed inappropriate or unavailing by the prosecutor, or the judge can dismiss the grand jurors pursuing such investigations. Consequently, corrupt government officials have few natural enemies and go about their seditious business unimpeded.
By the way, they made a rule to take care of runaways too, in 1946: Rule 6(g):
‘At any time for cause shown the court may excuse a juror either temporarily or
permanently, and in the latter event the court may impanel another person in place of the juror excused.’ Now judges can throw anyone off a grand jury, or even disimpanel a grand jury entirely, merely for exercising its discretion.”
Now let me add my two cents to this argument:
Most of the discussion about Note 4 to Rule 7 of the FRCP takes for granted that the common law use of “presentments” (as codified in the 5th Amendment) was made “illegal” in 1946 by this act. Nothing could be more false. Note 4 does not contain language that makes the use of presentments “illegal”, although it had chosen its words carefully to make it appear as if that is what the legislative branch intended. But let’s look at Note 4 again:
“4. Presentment is not included as an additional type of formal accusation, since presentments as a method of instituting prosecutions are obsolete, at least as concerns the Federal courts.”
The key word is, “obsolete”. Obsolete means “outmoded”, or “not in use anymore”, but it does not mean “abolished” or “illegal”. And therein lies the big lie. The legislature knew it could not directly overrule the Constitution, especially with something so clearly worded as the 5th Amendment, which grants a power to the people which has a long and noble purpose in criminal jurisprudence. But the federal beast legislative branch sought more power to protect themselves from the oversight of “we the people”, and in its vampire like thirst for more governmental control, it inserted this insidious Note 4 in the hope that scholars and judges would play along with their ruse, or in the alternative, their ruse would appear to be legally viable.
Let’s look at some authoritative legal resources which discuss Note 4:
Susan Brenner, THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY: A CASE FOR GRAND JURY INDEPENDENCE:
“Finally, federal grand juries’ subservience to prosecutors was exacerbated when the federal system eliminated the use of presentments, which allowed a grand jury to bring charges on its own initiative. (N35) Now, federal grand jurors cannot return charges in the form of an indictment without a prosecutor’s consent. (N36) Elimination of the presentment demonstrates the historical trend towards elimination of proactive features in the grand jury system.”
Did Brenner fall for the lie or did she cleverly further it when she said, “[T]he federal system eliminated the use of presentments”? The federal system did no such thing. Note 4 said the use of presentments was “obsolete”. First of all, Note 4 is not a law in itself. It is a Note to a law, and the law as written, does not have anything to say about presentments. You see the leap Brenner has made? The Constitution provides for “presentments”, then the FRCP are enacted and the Rules therein do not mention presentments, nor due they ban presentments, and if they did, such a ban would be unconstitutional, since an administrative enactment regarding procedure can not overrule the Constitution.
Regardless, it’s irrelevant, since the FRCP does not mention “presentments”. Note 4 simply states that “presentments” allowed for in the 5th Amendment of the Constitution have become “obsolete”, or outmoded, which is not to say that they were “eliminated”. Shame on you Susan Brenner. You know damn well that the Constitution can only be changed by an official Amendment to it. Nothing can be “eliminated” from the Constitution by an administrative note.
The use of presentments had become obsolete because the grand jurors were not aware of their power. So the use of “presentments” became more and more rare, and then in 1946 the legislative branch seized upon the moment to make this power disappear by waving its magic wand over the Constitution.
Mr. Root got it wrong in the Creighton Law Review as well:
“Before the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure — which made independently-acting grand juries illegal for all practical purposes — grand juries were understood to have broad powers to operate at direct odds with both judges and prosecutors…”
The FRCP did not make it “illegal for all practical purposes”. That’s patently false. I don’t know if Mr. Root, and/or Susan Brenner, were acting as the magician’s assistant, but I can’t imagine how these educated scholars could be so incredibly ignorant of basic Constitutional law. Give me a damn break.
But if enough people repeat the lie, the lie appears to be the truth.
But we have it on good authority, the Supreme Court, that the lie has no legal effect.
Justice Powell, in United States v. Calandra, 414 U.S. 338, 343 (1974), stated:
“The institution of the grand jury is deeply rooted in Anglo-American history. [n3] In England, the grand jury [p343] served for centuries both as a body of accusers sworn to discover and present for trial persons suspected of criminal wrongdoing and as a protector of citizens against arbitrary and oppressive governmental action. In this country, the Founders thought the grand jury so essential to basic liberties that they provided in the Fifth Amendment that federal prosecution for serious crimes can only be instituted by “a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury.” Cf. Costello v. United States, 350 U.S. 359, 361-362 (1956). The grand jury’s historic functions survive to this day. Its responsibilities continue to include both the determination whether there is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed and the protection of citizens against unfounded criminal prosecutions. Branzburg v. Hayes, 408 U.S. 665, 686-687 (1972).”
The Note 4 lie is smashed on the SCOTUS altar, “The grand jury’s historic functions survive to this day.” Take that Note 4!
The wonderful irony of the situation concerns the ultimate neocon Justice, one known as Antonin Scalia, who effectively codified the unique independent power of the Fourth Branch into the hands of all citizens sitting as federal grand jurors. In discussing that power and unique independence granted to the grand jury, the United States Supreme Court, in United States v. Williams, 504 U.S. 36 at 48 (1992), Justice Scalia, delivering the opinion of the court, laid down the law of the land:
“‘[R]ooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history,” Hannah v. Larche, 363 U.S. 420, 490 (1960) (Frankfurter, J., concurring in result), the grand jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the branches described in the first three Articles. It “`is a constitutional fixture in its own right.'” United States v. Chanen, 549 F.2d 1306, 1312 (CA9 1977) (quoting Nixon v. Sirica, 159 U.S. App. D.C. 58, 70, n. 54, 487 F.2d 700, 712, n. 54 (1973)), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 825 (1977). ‘ ”
I submit to you that this passage sets the stage for a revolutionary knew context
necessary and Constitutionally mandated to “we the people”, THE FOURTH BRANCH of the Government of the United States. Besides, the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches, I submit that there is a fourth branch, THE GRAND JURY, and “we the people” when sitting as grand jurors, are, as Scalia quoted in US v. Williams, ” a constitutional fixture in its own right”. Yes, damn it. That is exactly what the grand jury is, and what it was always intended to be.
Scalia also stated, that “the grand jury is an institution separate from the courts, over whose functioning the courts do not preside…” Id.
And finally, to seal the deal, Scalia hammered the point home:
“In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people. See Stirone v. United States, 361 U.S. 212, 218 (1960); Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43, 61 (1906); G. Edwards, The Grand Jury 28-32 (1906). Although the grand jury normally operates, of course, in the courthouse and under judicial auspices, its institutional relationship with the Judicial Branch has traditionally been, so to speak, at arm’s length. Judges’ direct involvement in the functioning of the grand jury has generally been confined to the constitutive one of calling the grand jurors together and administering their oaths of office. See United States v. Calandra, 414 U.S. 338, 343 (1974); Fed.Rule Crim.Proc. 6(a). [504 U.S. 36, 48] ”
This miraculous quote says it all, “…the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.” The Constitution of the United States, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, gives rise to a FOURTH BRANCH of Government, THE GRAND JURY. We the people have been charged with oversight of the government in our roles as grand jurors.
And at this critical time in American history, we must, for the protection of our constitutional republic, take back our power and start acting as powerful as the other branches of government.
The law is on our side. So please spread this knowledge as far and wide as you can. We the people have the right and power under the 5th Amendment of the Constitution to charge this government with crimes by returning presentments regardless of whether the US Attorneys or the federal judges agree with us. As the Supreme Court has so brilliantly stated, we are the “buffer between the Government and the people.”
Take the reins America. Pass it on. The Fourth Branch is alive and kickin’.
Great observation BerlinBerlin. As in”JUST IN CASE.
Folks—-I just heard on the restoretherepublic site that Obama issued his own Executive Order that does not allow access to any of his documents…is this possible???
I think we only have one option left and that is to organize a huge demonstration and protest in front of the Capitol Building demanding information and I believe everyone should not pay any income tax this go round until we see his documents!!!
I always thought that the swearing in involved having his/her right hand upon a Bible. Has the process changed?
Jacqlyn- It would seem that either the SCOTUS or Federal Grand Jury has the power to override alleged executive orders. Particularly in instances of suspected wrongdoing.
In adding to my last entry,I personally believe that our SCOTUS no longer supports the Constitution. That leaves only the Federal Grand Jury, and the Court of Last Resort(American People) That is why I have been stating that when the documentary evidence of the POE records are found it is extremely important that a copy of the POE form needs to be in front of every American so that he/she can see the truth for themselves. This means that it needs to be published in every newspaper in this country, and as many as possible abroad. The publicity will be too damning, and the SCOTUS would be forced to either uphold the Constitution,or never again be seen as a valid US court.
A substantial bounty needs to be placed upon the POE records. We need to get as many people as possible searching the country’s best archives. One such archive is in Northeast Indiana. The archive there is second only to that of the Church of Latter Day Saints at Salt Lake City. Their’s is a world class archive. I would venture to guess that thePOE records will be found in one of these archives.
Gordon.
The Grand Jury indictment is one of the reasons I requested that
Obama be indicted. It does not require anywhere near the level of
proof as a court case.
Archival record searches really require a skilled and fully experienced researcher. They often can locate records in a fraction of the time needed by an inexperienced person. If the POE records are found by someone they should keep it a secret until many copies are already in the hands of key people. You can be sure that if the Obama GOON squad gets wind of it they will descend upon you very quickly.You and the records could dissapear forever.
Being that the Supreme Court is now, official, partial and biased in these cases as evidenced by them (1) meeting behind closed doors with a known , alleged, criminal in ongoing- “pending” cases by their own orders and (2) swearing in the usurper , knowing fully well that there were stays to recuse themselves. Then, is it not pertinent at this point in time to offer a petition or emergency motion, in regard to ALL pending cases BEFORE to court that they should all RECUSE themselves and refer these cases to a GRAND JURY (Federal) due to the obvious conflict of interest presented above. And per Gordon’s and CW’s post above.
In addition, an observation should the military or anyone in the military oppose OBAMA’s orders for (1) closing of Gitmo (2) Iraq issues or (3) Afgan redeployment, (4) etc. on basis of his usurper status and should OBAMA threaten them for their protest with ______ (fill in blank, prosecution, held in miliatary jail, explusion, court martial, etc.) then his status as TYRANT would be , at that moment, as clear as a bell, branded, and fully exposed for what he is.
Da Verg, comments welcome.
Jacqlyn
Can you please provide a link to where you read that “Obama issued his own Executive Order that does not allow access to any of his documents?”
Thanks.
I read the entire script of Gordon’s “commen”, and found it to be really great. I have long ago resigned myself to the idea that ultimately the entire Obama matter will end up in front of the Federal Grand Jury. Who knows one or two of the SCOTUS Justices might be sitting right alongside of Obama,and eventually be indighted as well.What say you Citizen Wells?We need people like Gordon, and Citizen Wells. It is people like you who will eventually bring the ursurper down.
the blacks fought and fought and today they are free ,us patriots will fight and fight until we too are victorious.
CW,
Anything new on the little birdie.
Eric
Citizenwells;
Re:
The Grand Jury indictment is one of the reasons I requested that
Obama be indicted. It does not require anywhere near the level of
proof as a court case.
One of the reasons I was interested in the 5th amendment approach is that a “presentment” by a citizen’s grand jury doesn’t require the participation or approval of either a U.S. Attorney, or the judiciary. It operates under its own constitutional authority and is entirely separate from oversight or control of the federal judiciary (per Scalia). It can also be used to clean out the judiciary and the Congress. It is essentially a 4th branch of the government that our Founders intended for the use of citizens to rein-in a corrupted government such as we are now burdened with.
I sure would like to hear from a constitutional attorny who might know how to organize and convene such an investgative body and how to prepare and present a product or “presentment” and to whom it should be presented.
Gordon
From Dr. Orly’s blog:
Thursday, January 22, 2009
Today at the Williamson County TX Courthouse
Yesterday Dr. Orly Taitz flew down to Texas to assist in a suit filed in Georgetown, TX in a case against the Texas Secretary of State for not verifying that Obama was elgible for POTUS.
The case was heard this morning at the Williamson County courthouse.
In short, Dr. Taitz just told me that we, as citizens, have no standing.
They were only give 3 minutes to speak and that was done begrudgingly.
The information she just told me was pretty distressing. I’m going to let her tell the story herself; but she asked me to post this.
Check back for her full story when she is back at a computer.
da Verg— Your approach sounds good to me.
As you said the Supreme Court has already
biased themselves quite obviously in this
matter.
OldSalt76—
The “average person” can’t search the
National Archives for the POE can they?
If so, I believe there is access to one in
Dayton, OH. If it is possible for anyone
to search without restraint, let me know.
Please point link where Obama says he can’t be researched, I would like to see that also. If that is true, more fuel to the fire on his tyrant status building.
I read Orly’s post, above where in Texas citizens where given only three minutes worth , which was grudgingly begotten. Standing issue again.
This is my mind, raises another Constitutional issue as for some reason if the following is true:
“At least Steve Pidgeon will have standing due to Washington State statute which gives citizens standing. ”
Then is citizen’s in Washington have standing, what makes them so different than citizens in Pennsylvania or Texas? What is the difference? They are both US citizens. Sounds discriminatory to me, and it is far beyond states’ issue. Shouldn’t this also be part of any Supreme Court case, esp. if you are not from Washington? Afterall, we are ALL Americans!
Still waiting.
Leo is teaching us again – this time about the Federal Grand Jury. Time to read up folks!
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
“The Federal Grand Jury is the 4th Branch of Government”
Does anyone know someone that can has face recognition software or an aging photo program for a child?
The reason I ask is because when I saw the photo of Obama, Ann, Lolo, and Maya sitting on a bench, I thought, that kid looks just like Lolo. Is Lolo Obama’s father somehow?
Now, the person we know as Obama, looks nothing like Lolo, but in that photo, the child looks just like Lolo.
Also, Obama has purple lips like Indonesians, not Africans.
Who is this man?
I still think the person that sits in the White House, whoever he is, is the son of Malcolm X. Sounds crazy but he looks like a clone of Malcolm.
See this article for a morphed picture of the two.
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of?id=2018399%3ABlogPost%3A12595&page=1#comments
If Obama is Commander in chief, can he be court martialed?
Just checking in. I’ll be in and out today. I put a new post up. What’s new?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95SCQK80&show_article=1
The most important sentence is the last. Are these documents also inaccessible? Like Palin’s?
Linda, that’s a good question. I don’t have a UCMJ here but wouldn’t be surprised if it is on line somewhere.
Also, yesterday I posted that Headline news showed there is a guy in Indonesian who was the spitting image of BHO and getting lots of publicity about it.
I believe some of you were asking where I saw this??? Here it is………….http://www.restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.org/
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This is my first post. I was ready for a bit of an “emotional break” immediately after the inauguration as it appeared the battleground for challenging Obama’s Presidency had changed dramatically. I was curious however to see if Obama would issue his own “Executive Order” to make sure his records could be sealed anytime he wanted them sealed. Sure enough, Obama’s very first “Executive Order” was- you got it- Presidential Records. He revokes Bush’s 2001 order 13233 and what few media comments I have seen- and I mean only a few- talk like he simply revoked Bush’s order- but if you read Obama’s new order very carefully, you will see he has afforded himself new protections while removing protections from the “Former” President. Quite interesting in light of the “last” Executive Order from President Bush seemed to me as Bush finally said- let’s check out all Government employees and contractors. I find it interesting that Obama moved quickly to start covering those tracks.
http://garyeubanks.blogspot.com/2009/01/obamas-first-executive-order-what-was.htmlHere is the link where the Executive Order from Obama was written about
twe —
The only jeopardy the President is in is impeachment and removal from office after a trial by the Senate. Any criminal charges for crimes committed prior to taking office will be up to the Courts to decide whether they merit action now, or after the President leaves office.
ty i read obama’s order
it is becoming apparant to me that there may be underlying reasons for Bush/Cheney complicity in not doing anything about the illegal Obama eligibility issue. Knowing fully well that Obama had a chance to win the election, Bush/cheney (and someone may have already stated the complicity here, if so, I missed it. Or they stated other reasons that may be tied into this one.) So Bush/cheney knowing fully well if Obama would be elected, and knowing that Pelosi / Reid may pursue alleged war crimes against his adminstration; Bush/Cheney are holding the illegal citizenship issue over both Obama and Pelosi heads. When , and if, the time comes, if cornered, they will bring the Pelosi – Obama house of cards down.
Conspiracy theory? Or co-existance theory?
Politics in the new world order.
da verg-
Citizens in Washington state have standing because of a Washington state law that is in place that gives Washington citizens the right to challenge state elections. Even though Steve Pidgeon has standing the supreme court there still threw the case out so I do not know what good it does to have standing.
Linda, I’ve seen younger pictures of BO and he looks different too. It made me even ask myself the crazy question, are we dealing with two different people? I know it sounds crazy, but at one time I asked myself that question.
Then when Stephen Pidgeon said in ’79, he found out that a Barack Obama was killed in a plane crash somewhere around Pakistan, it just made me wonder. Heck, maybe Barack Obama is a common name, I don’t know.
ty Cal
Per plaintiff’s request, I don’t think that they (the court) gave a reason for declining. (Unless I am mistaken, need a score card to keep up with all these cases).
Who’s on first…..??…..
There have been so many foretellings, predictions during this past year, it has been hard to keep up. But I do remember one by Colin Powell who stated that around January 21 or 22, 2009, something of great significance, perhaps of a military nature would take place.
Like so many warnings, nothing seems to have happened, but I wonder what he knew 7 or 8 months ago that has been resolved.
This is off topic but, but I recently discovered something when doing genealogy searches on the internet. I searched through yahoo.com and I found many sites that didn’t come up on a google search. Here is one bit of info that I haven’t seen before, a REAL Hawaii birth certificate!
I will be using other search engines on a regular basis. Any suggestions?
Hi Jonah,
I think I have seen one before.
Check out number 7c.
County and State or foreign country.
Is that weird or what?
So much about what a Hawaiian BC really proofs. nada.
Jonah,
Check out scroogle.org
And the .ORG is very important. You don’t want the .com.
The scroogle scraper will scraper your IP address from searches after a short time. Some engines keep track of what you search for and they also scrub what they send you so you don’t get all that’s available.
Dogpile is also good.
Educational institutions and others have other powerful stuff.
Berlin, Berlin,
I hadn’t noticed 7c!
FOREIGN COUNTRY?!?!?! is an option for place of birth on a Certificate of Live Birth for the STATE of HAWAII????????????
Unbelievable!!!!!
I knew that Hawaii allowed foreign births to be registered but I had no idea that it was right there in black and white on the original document!
If I thought it would help I’d make copie sof this document, circle the 7c box in red and send it to every one of those Hall of Shamers!
For the record:
I didn’t write the post that references the citizen’s Grand Jury as a fourth branch of the government. I copied and pasted it from Leo Donofrios website. It is from an article he wrote in August, 2008. I just found it a couple of days ago and was very interested in getting some opinions beside my own as to whether it sounds like something that could be pursued as we are being stonewalled in the courts.
I apologize for not crediting Leo Donofrio as I should have.
Gordon
Does anyone know someone that has face recognition software or an aging photo program for a child?
The reason I ask is because when I saw the photo of Obama, Ann, Lolo, and Maya sitting on a bench, I thought, that kid looks just like Lolo. Is Lolo Obama’s father somehow? Or is that picture not of the man we call Mr. President?
Now, the person we know as Obama, looks nothing like Lolo, but in that photo, the child looks just like Lolo.
Also, Obama has purple lips like Indonesians, not Africans.
Who is this man?
I still think the person that sits in the White House, whoever he is, is the son of Malcolm X. Sounds crazy but he looks like a clone of Malcolm.
See this article for a morphed picture of the two.
http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/is-obama-the-secret-son-of?id=2018399%3ABlogPost%3A12595&page=1#comments
This link is to the Obama look alike. Notice the purple lips.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2456057,00.html
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kittycat77 // January 22, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Linda, I’ve seen younger pictures of BO and he looks different too. It made me even ask myself the crazy question, are we dealing with two different people? I know it sounds crazy, but at one time I asked myself that question.
Then when Stephen Pidgeon said in ‘79, he found out that a Barack Obama was killed in a plane crash somewhere around Pakistan, it just made me wonder. Heck, maybe Barack Obama is a common name, I don’t know.
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Is the man we call Mr. President really Anne Dunham’s child? Strange how everyone in this family seems to have died prematurely, including Barack Obama himself?
Why do we even have a CIA or FBI? Isn’t this their job?
Rachel,
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq would like for you to call her at
949-683-5411
She asked me to post this for her.
Are we continuing to fight to protect our Constitution? I think we MUST.
Hello all.
Personally, I like Obama Barack- and I have no idea why you Americans are in such an uproar about a legitimate eleciont- but George Walker Bush’s brazen and blatant electoral fraud, judicial fraud, illegal Halliburton-Unocal oil wars and his subsidization by exceptionally wealthy Jews (who later committed some of America’s worst financial crimes).
Really, time to turn off Fox News: it rots brains.
But,I am more than happy to share any information that non-English speakesr may have difficulty accessing.
Indonesian Law is actually very strict and plainly comprehensible.
KITAS= portmanteau of Kartu Izin Tinggal TerbatAS,.
This translates as: Card for Permitted Limited Stay.
VISA KITAS class is Republik Indonesia VISA class for foreign national to legally reside and work in Indonesia for period of 12 months.
*Company sponsorship is required as a FIRST STEP in order for a foreigner who wants to work in Indonesia to be issued a work permit/visa. This sponsorship is required BEFORE a semi-permanent visa and work permit can be processed.
All KITAS expatriates MUST register with the National Police within 30 days of issuance of their Stay Permit. The Police Department (Direktorat Intelpam Sub Direktorat Pengawasan Orang Asing [Directorate of Intelligence: Sub Advising Directorate on Foreigners] will issue a Certificate of Police Registration [SKLD] (Surat Keterangan Lapor Diri: Document of Self-Reportage) book. Now it is a card.
I am unsure of the regulations at time of Obama’s arrival in Indonesia.
Considering the process for obtaining KITAP (full permanent residency) is long and costly and would be unattractive to one on a US visa (US and US aligned nations would examine far more closely the purpose/finances/validity of inter-US/Western nation travel)- I personally very much doubt anyone of the Barrack family at the time held any Indonesian citizenship (aside from of course step-father Lolo Sutoro).
Indonesian Law does permit marriage of foreigner to Indonesian citizen without any citizenship implication BUT the marriage must be approved by the State (this is merely to ascertain the non undesirable/ criminal/spy character of spouse) and registered to the State for marriage to be legal according to Indonesia Law.
For foreigner to work in Indonesia their employer must not only sponsor them but obtain IMTA (Ijin Mempekerjakan Tenega kerja Asingor [Permit of Employment of Foreigners] the authorization given to a company to employ a foreigner.
It is conceivable Ms Dunham did not have KITAS but falsely (and very commonly) mistakenly assumed as her employer (Ford Foundation) had a valid IMTA.
But considering her husband Mr Sutoro was an educated army officer- it would be quite a leap of faith to imagine he wold be so ignorant/naive of relevant (quite commonly known) Indonesian Law not to mention undertake a major career faux pas (bear in mind this marriage was during the era of Suharto’s greatest vigilance and paranoia).
Secondly, the issue of obtaining information from Department Immigrasi, Manpower Department and Police will be realistically 99% impossible for any non US Intelligence personnel.
Indonesia is not an open society like the US- there is “Freedom of Information” culture or even act within the ASEAN region.
Even to obtain legal information requires an expert negotiating the complex bureaucracy. It is a very lengthy and quite costly procedure and requires the occupancy of the inquirer within the nation so that Police and/or Civil and/or Military Intelligence can evaluate them and ensure they are legitimate.
Then another important issue is if military and/or government of Indonesia consider a President Barack Obama is most suitable and indeed advantageous for Indonesian interests (to others).
If he is considered advantageous- then every method to obtain information or data that could possibly be used to counter these interest/s will be met with the most extreme resistance- which could with very high likelihood include deportation and/or severe legal sanction against any perceived threat/enquirer within Indonesia.
If you are Jewish or worse an Israeli- you have no hope at all. You will very likely be taken into protective custody for your own safety, debriefed by Counter Terrorism Intel and escorted onto the earliest departing aircraft- this is because pre and post colonial Jews and Israelis have a very long sordid history of agitprop and anti-Indonesian activity.
PS- not every of Obama’s family is dead. His half-sister Maya Sutoro lives.
And this is silly: some Indonesians do have brown lips.
Indonesia is not like China or Japan as essentially mono-racial, or mono-cultural, we have 300 ethnicities and approx 5 major sub-races and even a race who look negro- but they are not (Melanesian.
The late Lolo Sutoro was a Javanese (most populous race)- who can often look like Latino or Mediterranean or even Samoan.
Heck- we even have half and full albino Indonesians just to really mess with you.
Then we Javanese do not have family name system as in the West.
I just found that Lolo was likely a minor noble or aristocrat: his name as rendered Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo
I also did some Interent search.
I found this image of Obama’s school registration at Catholic school St Francis’ which enrols Obama as Obama Soetoro (“oe” is obsolete Dutch spelling now spelt as “u”) states he is born 1961 Honolulu
http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns06D
and
http://www.geneall.net/U/per_page.php?id=990593
Maybe this is all Sukarno-Suharto’s revenge lol?
I hope I have been of some use.
You crazy Americans really love our Javanese intrigues.
Why not you come visit?
Bali and Gili are very beautiful and 28+ deg year round.
Bye- best wishes even to Jew- no more stealing!