Obamacare impact on Americans and economy, Higher premiums and deductibles, Medicare payments redirected, Employer costs passed on, Part time jobs instead of full time

Obamacare impact on Americans and economy, Higher premiums and deductibles, Medicare payments redirected, Employer costs passed on, Part time jobs instead of full time

“About two-thirds of the hospitals serving Medicare patients, or some 2,200 facilities, will be hit with penalties averaging around $125,000 per facility this coming year, according to government estimates.”…NE News Now

“Nearly half of U.S. companies are reluctant to hire full-time employees because of the ACA. One in five firms indicates they are likely to hire fewer employees, and another one in 10 may lay off current employees in response to the law.

Other firms will shift toward part-time workers. More than 40 percent of CFOs say their companies will consider switching some jobs to less than 30 hours per week or targeting part-time workers for future employment.”…Duke University Fuqua School of Business December 11, 2013

“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”…George Orwell, “1984″

 

 

The media has done a stellar job of focusing on signups for Obamacare and how this has improved. What they have, obviously intentionally, not done is focus on the worsening impact of Obamacare on all Americans and the economy.

Citizen Wells has revealed the impact of premium and deductible increases and the job losses and part time jobs trends.

We have also explained the impact of cost increases and taxes on companies. These costs are often passed on to consumers.

The impact of Obamacare is much more far reaching.

From The Foundry April 11, 2014.

“Talking about Obamacare’s effects is one thing; seeing hard data is another.

Heritage’s newly updated Obamacare in Pictures has 15 charts that show the law’s effects on Americans—from canceled insurance policies to new taxes, Medicare cuts, reduced choice for plans, and more.

Here’s a quick look at just three of these charts and how Obamacare is hitting three groups.

YOUNG PEOPLE

Obamacare in Pictures 2014: Premiums Age 27

Obamacare says you can stay on your parents’ health insurance until you turn 26. This chart looks at what happens after that—if you don’t have employer-sponsored insurance and you have to get insured through Obamacare. If you’re trying to save for a car or house—or just paying rent to have your own place—seeing your premiums double is quite a blow.

SENIORS

Obamacare in Pictures 2014: Medicare cuts

You may recall Heritage experts’ warning that Obamacare would cut $716 billion from Medicare. That’s still happening.

Despite the Obama administration’s recent walking back of Medicare Advantage cuts for this year, Obamacare’s planned cuts to Medicare are moving forward. This chart shows which parts of Medicare are affected.”

Read more:

http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/11/obamacare-charts-obama-doesnt-want-see/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Obamacare will require employers to make changes to their health care plans

Created on April 9, 2014

Obamacare will require employers to make changes to their health care plans

 

Thanks to commenter bob strauss.

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64 responses to “Obamacare impact on Americans and economy, Higher premiums and deductibles, Medicare payments redirected, Employer costs passed on, Part time jobs instead of full time

  1. citizenwells

    Good morning William, et al.

  2. April 29, 2014

    Lawrence Sellin:

    “Surviving The National Crisis Of 2014

    “Up until now the Obama Administration has gone from scandal to scandal without a loss of enthusiasm from its acolytes in the media and without any serious opposition from the Republican Party.

    But the lies and corruption are reaching critical mass and the American people may be faced with a stark choice – the survival of Barack Obama in office or the survival of the country.

    Sometime in the coming months, Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse has indicated that it will release startling new evidence related to Barack Obama’s personal history and the alleged cover-up to hide the truth from the American people. It is believed not be speculation or the opinions of experts, but hard facts, which go far beyond a fraudulent birth certificate and will be ever more difficult for the politicians and the media to continue to ignore.

    Even though government officials and journalists remain confident in their false sense of unaccountability, the American people must prepare for a possible national crisis spawned by the disclosure of unprecedented malfeasance and deception likely tainting the highest officials in government, the leadership of both political parties and the upper echelons of the media.”

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/04/fsm-surviving-national-crisis-of-2014.html#more

  3. The phrase “the secretary shall determine” appears in the Affordable Care Act no fewer than 1,005 times. Obamacare transforms the entire national health care system and affects all residents of the U.S., not just the 18 percent who were without healthcare insurance. The law is a humongous mishmash of rules and regulations and taxation that intrude and affect every aspect of our lives.

    When Congress passed the ACA, they gave unprecedented authority to Kathleen Sebelius to tax and spend and regulate as she damn well pleases. The Secretary of HHS “serves only at the will of the President” and was NOT elected by We, the People.

    According to the Separation of Powers in the Constitution, Congress makes the laws, NOT Kathleen Sebelius and NOT Barack Obama. Regulations do not trump the Constitution and this law is a horrendous violation of the United States Constitution.

  4. citizenwells

    “Epidemic Of Hunger: New Report Says 49 Million Americans Are Dealing With Food Insecurity”

    “If the economy really is “getting better”, then why are nearly 50 million Americans dealing with food insecurity? In 1854, Henry David Thoreau observed that “the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation”. The same could be said of our time. In America today, most people are quietly scratching and clawing their way from month to month. Nine of the top ten occupations in the U.S. pay an average wage of less than $35,000 a year, but those that actually are working are better off than the millions upon millions of Americans that can’t find jobs.”

    “If someone tries to tell you that “the economy is getting better”, that person is probably living in a wealthy neighborhood. Because those that live in poor neighborhoods would not describe what is going around them as an “improvement”.

    In particular, many minority neighborhoods are really dealing with extremely high levels of food insecurity right now. The following comes from a recent NBC News article…

    “Minorities are facing serious hunger issues. Ninety-three percent of counties with a majority African-American population fall within the top 10 percent of food-insecure counties, while 60 percent of majority American Indian counties fall in that category”
    But if you don’t live in one of those areas and you don’t know anyone that is facing food insecurity, it can be difficult to grasp just how much people are actually suffering out there right now.”

    “Those that believe that the economy has gotten “back to normal” just need to look at the number of women that have been forced to turn to government assistance. As I mentioned the other day, a decade ago the number of American women that had jobs outnumbered the number of American women on food stamps by more than a 2 to 1 margin. But now the number of American women on food stamps actually exceeds the number of American women that have jobs.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-28/epidemic-hunger-new-report-says-49-million-americans-are-dealing-food-insecurity

    The Orwellian rhetoric from Obama, et al aimed at women, with a feel good emphasis about steps they are taking to improve their lot speaks volumes.
    Straight out of “1984.”

  5. JONAH…….good morning.

    I would agree with your above comments you make providing we can FIRST establish, once and for all, that we STIILL have a valid CONSTITUTION…….

    Until we can legally purge this nation of it’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL pRESIDENT…..I have serious doubts we still have a VALID and functional Constitution. This is the most serious problem our nation has ever faced in it’s 247 years od existence, but now most people are simply poo-pooing this problem out of existence.

    There is an old medieval saying that comes to mind ” to kill the dragon, you must cut off it’s head”……all of the efforts to stop Obamacare, and all other evils this illegal president has brought upon our land are only minor league compared to bring him to justice, admitting he usurped the office, and restoring this Republic to it’s former status.

    Any less act is only a band-aide effort for the sickness which has come over America, and is totally unacceptable as a solution for our illness.

    To date, there has been very few people in positions of power who are willing to step forward and obey the FIRST law of the land, our Constitution.

    In fact, the 535 cowards sitting in Congress, and all the judges who enforce the laws that We The People have endorsed, have collectively gone to sleep, or now live under an unknown threat.

    Either way…. their silence is obviously a sign of approval for an illegal president with an illegal government who is putting this nation and the entire world at risk by his illegality.

    If the Constitution is obeyed to the letter of law, nothing he has done in the past five years is legal and valid in the eyes of the world.

    Stop and consider for a moment exactly what that means.

    Almost daily I receive request from Republican’s and politicians asking for my help in this or that project to oppose Obama and step on his toes.

    I always writer back telling them, “when you have openly addressed the REAL problem of an illegal president who has usurper the highest office in the free world, then I will support you with whatever I can do…… but until then, don’t ask for my money… or support”.

    I seldom hear from these snakes again.

    When Congressmen, Senators and Judges come forward to seriously challenge the person who has illegally taken the reigns of power in America, then I will believe with all my heart that our Constitution is still alive and well….until then…..

    As free Americans, we are living an illusion forced upon us by an illegal government and openly supported by a complacent press.

    If we do not correct this grave error soon, all the true patriots of this land will one day wake up, not only living the illusion of slavery, but also the shackles and chains to go with it.

    To ever one else, it won’t matter. “If you have never been told you are a slave, then you are happy as you are”.

    This is just the ramblings of an old soldier this morning who has lived long enough to see his country turn into something other than the free nation his Constitution promised.

    I cry for America, knowing what she once was and now knowing what she is turning into.

  6. CW-Jonah……….
    I think that we all now see most of what is going on around very clearly,yet nobody stands up and tries to UNIFY the now seriously divided America. Everytime I turn on my tv there is somebody slobbering at the mouth about RACISM. While I can understand ANGER towards the behavior of certain ethnic groups,it is the CONSTANT RACIST remarks of people like SHARPTON,JESSE JACKSON,and others like JUAN WILLIAMS,and I would be remiss if i didn’t include Mzzzzzzzzzzzz.Schultz, and all of her liberal peers which keeps our country divided. So until these alleged people see the error of their ways,and mouths the twisted,and otherwise MORONIC behavior will probably continue, and MOST LIKELY INCREASE in volume,given the approach of November. Until WE THE PEOPLE DECIDE WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH,and UNITE,instead of divide NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. If our goals are the same then it would seem to me that how we achieve them could easily be set down. Yet we are constantly hearing politicians who choose to beat their own drum,and harangue about the RACISM that is going on,INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE REAL PROBLEM. You can beat your drums, and BUMP YOUR GUMBS FOREVER,and still SAY NOTHING! The only way to bring an end to the BS,is via unity,of Americans. We need at least 200,000,000 people standing side by side,and are prepared to do WHAT EVER IT TAKES to put America back to what it was before the PROGRESSIVE SOCIALISTS appeared…..I REITERATE…..”.WHAT EVER IT TAKES!”

  7. citizenwells

    Demagogues.

    “However, when the CHD funds Alinsky-style, church-based community organizations as in the best interest of the poor and supports organizations which advance other agendas, it divests the poor of their right to an authentic voice. This process tends to treat the poor as exploited units of human capital, rather than as human beings created in the dignity of God’s image.”…Catholic Bishops Report

  8. Hot Trailer: Dinesh D’Souza’s ‘America’

  9. CITIZENWELLS….good morning

    Demagogues yes…..The Bible says it best…..”Beware of false prophets”……

  10. oldsailor81

    AMEN!

    LET’S ROLL!!!!!!

  11. oldsailor81…..I have to run some errands for the misses …I will send you an email later…….

  12. RMINNC……..
    Good morning sir.
    As usual you have it zeroed in. However I would add a couple of things, one being our Constitution IS still legally valid, and second….. the OVEREDUCATED WORDSMITHS,along with the federal judges (who they CONTROL) now write their OWN laws as they go,even though their alleged laws have not been voted upon in the legislature. Their laws are EXECUTIVE ORDERS, and thes morons think that the EXECUTIVE orders are going to remain in place forever. That notion by itself confirms the level of stupidity present in the so called minds of such people. Executive orders ARE NOT BINDING ON CONGRESS, simply because they are concieved by the executive branch,who cannot legally legislate any laws. So in effect our Constitution is REALLY being CIRCUMVENTED. which is TREASON.

  13. CW…….
    I might offend a few people with what I am about to say. As it relates to the so called Alinsky doctrine, or George Orwell, I would tend to think that anybody who would even read ,or believe such BS would have to be WEAK MINDED people to begin with. I like a hell of a lot of other people were reared in the knowledge that 2+2 does make four. Then we can say 5-1also makes 4,but subtraction was not what was being discussed,Addition was being discussed. So we have WORDTWISTING.

  14. Ginger……..
    By ourselves we cannot stand against a tyrranous government, but when a massive BODY OF PEOPLE like (200,000,000) all bearing loaded arms, began to move towards the domain of the tyrants,I believe that damn few people would be stupid enough to get in their way. Simply put, if ,or when such a body began to move, the only applicable law will be that which exits the muzzle of a rifle,at 2700FPS.

  15. Ginger…….
    If or when something of such a magnitude would ever come to fruition,it would be a very grave time for our country. Yet the possibility remains that it could be over with in 15 minutes, if all 50 states would formally secede from the union in unison. The fed would be disenfranchised, and everybody in the FED, including the CROOKED Judges would be UNEMPLOYED, and UNEMPLOYABLE thereafter. In less than 20 minutes a temporary government can be put in place,and 1000 HANGING CIRCUIT JUDGES sworn to contracts to uphold the Constitution,after which it is only necessary to select solid LIVE OAKS at various places throughout the US. When a criminal is put to death,his body should remain in plain view of wannabe criminals, until it rots beyond recognition,as a human. This is called EXAMPLE! Even animals recognise dead peers! I hasten to add that if we are FORCED to become so UNCIVILISED it will probably be because of the overcivilised BASTARDS who think that they are GOD,and that they can ram their SHI# down the throats of innocent Americans.

  16. Sooner or later the BOIL OVER will occur in America,and when the pot boils over NOBODY on EARTH will be able to cool it down before thousands of people die. When VEANGENCE seeking ex military,and already trained militias unite,become one then declare WAR, the loser will be the American people,yet the outcome could just as easily become a REBIRTH of America. I would say that the ball is in our alleged leader’s court. I wonder if he has the moves necessary?

  17. bye bye all. very beautiful blue sky today . Just a few high cirrus clouds. We lucked out again,but I am crying inside of me for those who have lost everything down South. Everybody who can …..just send a little contribution to either the Salvation Army,or Red Cross. …..then PRAY FOR THEM!

  18. citizenwells

    oldsailor.
    People hear what they want to hear.
    The so called educated of pre war Nazi Germany were gullible too.
    Orwell (Eric Blair) was watching.

  19. citizenwells

    Just heard Rush mention this:

    “Post-ABC News poll shows Democrats at risk in November as Obama’s approval rating falls”

    “Democrats face serious obstacles as they look to the November elections, with President Obama’s approval rating at a new low and a majority of voters saying they prefer a Congress in Republican hands to check the president’s agenda, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

    Obama’s approval rating fell to 41 percent, down from 46 percent through the first three months of the year and the lowest of his presidency in Post-ABC News polls. Just 42 percent approve of his handling of the economy, 37 percent approve of how he is handling the implementation of the Affordable Care Act and 34 percent approve of his handling of the situation involving Ukraine and Russia.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-news-poll-shows-democrats-at-risk-in-november-as-obamas-approval-rating-falls/2014/04/28/2a448b04-cf07-11e3-b812-0c92213941f4_story.html

  20. CW………
    Did you have a chance to send Ray my email? So many people get the email wrong,and it usually relates to the 1 character wide underline immediately following the d_wri……..The underline must be there.

  21. Well, CW I’m sure you have heard by now that ,Oregon is dropping Cover Oregon. So after 150 mill to 300 mill. depending on who you talk to, going to the federal plan. We spent all that money, just to tell us its not working. Really!! Only about 200 thou have signed up.

  22. citizenwells

    oldsailor.
    Yes

  23. Pretty good summation of the way things are now:

    GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION ROBS THE PEOPLE OF PERSONAL RIGHTS & CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTIES

    By Sheriff Jim R. Schwiesow, Ret.
    January 25, 2014
    NewsWithViews.com

    A READER WRITES

    Since you seem to be a truly reasonable guy and on top of matters, perhaps you can answer a simple question which no one seems to consider or comment upon.

    We have just spent some 600 million plus dollars on this “ObamaCare” program which to this date is not functioning, wherein payments to the insurers seem not to be functioning and where customers neither receive receipts, notification or insurance cards and wherein doctor offices which may or may not be a part of the system themselves cannot verify coverage.

    Yet, we learn daily of the highly sophisticated NSA computer programs which can glean personal information, credit information, payments made, addresses, locations and all other sorts of arcane knowledge which is supposed to be for our security.

    Thus my question is why the disconnection, why is it that a bureaucratic agency of the government has the most sophisticated systems in the world and another agency for our protection has one of the worse systems? What am I missing?

    Your loyal reader,

    MY ANSWER

    Greetings dear Reader,

    I wish that I had the proper answer to your very appropriately conditioned query. The fact is that the “ObamaCare” web site contract was awarded – on the basis of cronyism – to an inept and crooked technocrat whose wife was a classmate of Obama’s wife, and who bilked the American taxpayers out of millions of dollars while the NSA was not similarly handicapped with their program of spying.

    Also I would put it down to the plain fact that the politicians (and most especially Obama) do what they darn well please, without recourse to any enforcement by the agencies of the Department of Justice, which is presided over by Obama’s buddy Eric Holder, a clear and unquestioned progressive radical

    The politicians (especially Obama) have in today’s environment the unauthorized and unconstitutional ability to specify what they will have or what they will not have. If they wish for an agency to be invasive of privacy, the agency will have such ability, if they would properly wish for an agency to respect Constitutional guarantees and protect privacy the agency will do such, unless Eric Holder unilaterally divines otherwise.

    In order for the system that prevails to function in our stead, we must have a rigid and uncompromising enforcement apparatus. If one link of that enforcement collective breaks down the whole of the apparatus will fail, as it has now done.

    The Constitutional guaranties have failed because they are not upheld and rigidly enforced by the government agencies charged with the enforcement of the individual and collective liberties that are specifically guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. The fault for this failure rests to a great extant with the judiciary. When the courts and the justices thereof view the constitutional assails on the tenets of the unbending and inflexible enforcement statutes of the Constitution – especially the provisions of the Bill of Rights – from a personal and subjective perspective liberties and protections will fall like dominoes. And we, you and I, know they have done so and will continue to do so.

    Unfortunately our government institutions, including the judiciary, have been filled with corrupt individuals of little integrity and even less in the way of character. The politicians of the Administration and the Congress, and the seemingly irrepressible and currently uncontrollable bureaucrats that function at the will and caprice of the politicians have seized dictatorial control of the people. Through the years the people have willingly given up their role as rulers of the government in exchange for handouts, popularly known as stuff. And have willingly put into these government offices debauched and debased individuals who function via dissolute motives. The foregoing applies also to appointees to the courts…the whole of the duty of the existing disparate bunch seems these days to be in using their position of authority to milk their position of the opportunities to enrich themselves. To the point that most who have been in office for even a brief while have become millionaires.

    So there you have it the politicians lie, cheat, steal and violate privacy because they can get away with it. There are no enforcement checks or steadfast assures which prohibit or penalize such behavior.

    Perhaps the crux of the whole matter is that the majorities of the people of this nation – as a whole – are most ignorant and have the brains of a gnat, even that statement gives them too much credit. It is these which enable the politicians that occupy the offices and inhabit the chambers of government, and whom legislate and mandate against the liberties and best interests of the very people who have bestowed upon them their law making and executive powers.

    Here is my assessment. We have gone well past a point of return; rebellion is out of the question as the now totalitarian state has complete control and will use brutal force to put down any form of organized resistance. We are screwed, and are forced to await the onrushing complete collapse…and the chaos that will most certainly follow…in regard to a determination of the fate of this once great Republic.

    OBEDIENCE SEEMS TO BE A ONE WAY STREET

    The politicians and the judges who militate against the freedoms of the people may have immunity to prosecution and punishment, but Joe Public does not. The federal government and the majority of the state governments – as well as a host of lesser governments on the county and municipal levels – surround the people with a web of subjective statutes that suppress civil liberties and provide a crushing control over personal prerogatives and individual freedoms. The local governments seem to take their cue from the federal government.

    The U.S. Code – consisting of many thousands of arbitrary statutory laws – is an enemy of the people. These statutes are not laws they are mandates that are specifically adaptive to entrapment and control. One cannot get through a day without violating one or more of these so-called laws; they are all inclusive, intrusive, and invasive to every segment of day to day existence. They comprise a virtual web of controlling measures that enables containment of personal freedoms, and they were specifically drafted to that purpose. The U.S. Code as it exists separates the people from their inherent and God-given liberties. And ditto most state and local statutes.

    A dark and ominous specter hovers over this nation. The country currently meets the definition of a police state. Individualism and personal choice are suppressed and bureaucratic hooliganism is rampant. Subjective statutes rule over constitutional ensures, and the U.S. judicial system is rapidly being transformed into an arrangement of government controlled people’s courts similar to those of the former Soviet Union and the Third Reich. These increasingly jettison objectivity to affirm and enforce state authority over individual rights.

    And this dear reader is the end of my discourse

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Schwiesow/jim209.htm

  24. CW…….
    I would agree that in the 1930s the people of Germany might even have believed that PIGS FLY, but given the times as they were,they really had no way to learn the truth.So they believed UP was DOWN as told to them by their FURHER. Hitler and Goebbels were masters at BS. Yes gullibility definitely played a part. But today in America even in 1984 people had the means before them to determine the truth on their own. Again you are right. People digest only that which they CHOOSE to digest.

  25. CW…….
    ……..and to compound that dilemma,the number of young people who are graduating from college who can pass an 8th grade SAT is also diminishing. The Sheriff might be right on the money. Perhaps one day there will be nobody whose intellectual quotient will exceed 20, and he/she will command only a 4 or 5 word vocabulary, most of which,if not ALL will be EXPLETIVES. Very sad outlook!

  26. April 29, 2014

    “Team Arpaio: Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Obama Investigation Presser Will Happen Soon”

    “Carl Gallups: Spoke to Sheriff Arpaio’s lead Obama investigator Mike Zullo last night… Two investigations still going on. The birth certificate investigation and the criminal investigation. Overwhelming amount of evidence pouring in. The release will happen sooner than later. The evidence is so overwhelming it will have to be dealt with.”

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/04/team-arpaio-sheriff-joe-arpaios-obama.html#more

  27. OBSERVER…….

    Good post…….may I give you my personal answer to the questions posed by the reader.

    OBAMACARE… was DESIGNED to FAIL from the very start, forcing everyone in America into a FEDERAL CONTROLLED one- player socialist system of sub-standard medical coverage.

    NSA, on the other, was DESIGNED to collect and catalog every aspect of every American’s life…from what they read, to what they eat, to who they talk too, to how much money they make and spend….every aspect of our daily lives are known by the NSA. This program has been highly successful.

    And I might add, this NSA effort has been achieved far beyond their wildest dreams and has required a greater effort that putting the failed medical program online…….

    Stop and think about it.

    One program, OBAMACARE, was designed from the start to fail. The other program NSA was designed to be succeed…….

    In the eyes of the Obama government, both programs have achieved their goals.

    Remember….anything that happens in government is……PLANNED, and don’t let anyone tell you it isn’t.

  28. Oldsailor81….

    Check your email…..

  29. I dearly admire what the sherrif said. This tells me that there are still people on earth who like myself recognise the various twisted elements of the wreckage of our so called government,which were once supporting members of our once proud government. It is clear also,that a very large portion of so called Americans don’t even GIVE A DAMN…….just so long as they are getting FREE LIVLIHOODS, at the expense of the working class. I wonder what the TAKERS will do when ALL American industry grinds to a halt. There will no longer be free food,free gasoline, free rent, free health care,….only what they can steal from others, after they have murdered them. Once everything has been consumed mass starvation will ensue. Just what Soetoro wants…..to reduce the number of inhabitants of Utopia America, and that they all be HOMOSEXUALS. Anybody who thinks such a state will be GREAT, has lost his /her minds, and in the end God will reign, because mankind was created in his IMAGE.

  30. More evidence of the Zero dope’s plan of subservience of America to enemy thugs….so now the Commie Russians can retaliate against any sanctions through our “dependent” space program….just more “flexibility” for Putin from the beginning:

    Russia says US astronauts could be hurt by Ukraine sanctions

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-reviving-iron-curtain-policies-russia-094611975.html

  31. RMINNC……..
    First please accept my apology for the misuse of your handle. You did make the trip this time. I sent you a reply. Have a great day!
    Bye bye for now….again!

  32. OLDSAILOR81…..

    Two things my friend…….

    1. No apology is necessary…I often do the same thing, so please don’t sweat the small stuff……

    2. Reference the content of your email…yes I was aware of that….I look forward to reading that book, it sure sounds interesting…..I like a good murder mystery….

    Perhaps our mutual friend in Tennessee is aware of this info also….she, and him, live in the same town…..you might want to check that out…….

  33. Perhaps I am a little behind the power curve about this stink which is occurring over the Clippers owner……I have a few questions:

    1. First and foremost, I ask; were the comments Sterling is alleged to have said made in PRIVATE, or in a PUBLIC environment?

    2. Were the comments Sterling is alleged to have said made in a PRIVATE conversation between him and his girl friend?……or were they made in a crowd of three or more people in a PUBLIC environment?

    3. It is alleged a tape exist concerning these remarks made……was Mr. Sterling AWARE and approved the making of that tape?…If not isn’t that a violation of law in it’s self?

    4. If Sterling was UNAWARE such a tape was being made, does he not have legal grounds to bring a legal suit against those who made the tape and those who published his private comments without his permission?

    5. It is alleged that his girlfriend made the tape…..did she profit from the sale of the tapes contents?

    Here’s my pitch on this stink that Obama has entwined himself, without anyone asking, along with almost everyone who is someone. First, let me say that I DO NOT approve of the comments Mr. Sterling made…but if the comments he made were made in private, I defend his right to say them.

    Just because I do not approve of his private comments does not mean he does not have the freedom of speech to say them in a private environment.

    On the other hand, if the comments were made in a PUBLIC environment, that is another case all in it’s self. He again, Mr. Sterling has the right to say them, but then he must be willing to accept the fallout that was sure to come.

    In either case, I would defend Mr. Sterling’s freedom of speech rights to say whatever he wants to say. However, if the comments were made in a PUBLIC environment, I cannot defend his stupidity in doing so.

    When as Americans, we open the door to selectively punish PRIVATE conversations between two adults then we have taken a dangerous giant step in process to abolish everyone’s freedom of speech .

    Now Mr. Sterling has been banned from the NBA for LIFE…this brings to mind another time someone suffered at the hands of public opinion.

    Remember when one of the greatest baseball players was shut out for LIFE from his place in the Hall of Fame at Cooperstown, where he rightfully belonged?

    Remember Pete Rose?

    Some may say this is a knee jerk reaction on my part and there is no comparison between Pete Rose and the owner of the Clippers.

    I would beg to differ. They were both tried, convicted, and have been executed in the court of public opinion.

    p.s…….I have recent heard there is a move affront to force Mr. Sterling to sale his Clippers to Magic Johnson…..does anyone see a pattern here…or am I again just reading into the situation?

  34. HOW IS THIS NOT TREASON?
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    IRS Gives Tax Exempt Status to Major Muslim Terrorist Groups with Clinton Ties – Walid Shoebat

    As conservative groups continue to fight the IRS, the IRS has been hard at work for years, granting 501(c)(3) status to terrorist organizations.

    http://shoebat.com/2014/04/26/irs-gives-tax-exempt-status-major-muslim-terrorist-groups/

  35. BOB STRAUSS…

    IT IS HIGH TREASON….But None Dare Call it So.

  36. Reference my comments about taping a persons voice WITHOUT their permission…….this is the law on that topic in these states:

    These states require BOTH parties to consent to recording a telephone call, or tape recording being recorded without the consent of both parties.:

    * California
    * Connecticut
    * Florida
    * Illinois
    * Maryland
    * Massachusetts
    * Michigan
    * Montana
    * Nevada
    * New Hampshire
    * Pennsylvania
    * Washington
    ————————————————————————————————–
    I think if I were Donald Sterling, with all my money, I would make the person who recorded that private conversation on tape, and the person who published that tape pay dearly for that INVASION OF PRIVACY….and the VIOLATION of his FREEDOM OF SPEECH as guaranteed by the Constitution.

    At this point he has nothing to lose and everything to gain in pursuing the law. I don’t think this little matter is over just yet.

  37. RMINNC……..
    I came across it quite by accident,and another person at a local store. I happened to be behind the person who was checking out,and when the items were laid on the counter I inadvertently looked at the item on top and there it was. At first I couldn’t remember where I had seen it then when I happened to see it again on line then the light turned on. So I put a query into my search engine and there it was. Never a dull moment.

  38. OLDSAILOR81……..

    Don’t hold me in suspense….WHAT ???

  39. RMINNC…………..
    Sterling had a Constitutional right to say whatever he wanted to say,either publically, or at home IN PRIVATE. I think it was said more out of poor taste. But the SLIMEY little creep who recorded it without a COURT ORDER should also be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I like you hope that Sterling NAILS every damn one of the BASTARDS to the CROSS……both financially as well as literally. There are some who think that WE THE PEOPLE are SCREWED,BLUED,and TATTOOED,but they obviousy havn’t read the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, wherein there are words which tell what must be done when a government turns against it’s people. I am sure that in 1776 there was NAYSAYERS as well. There is little doubt in my mind that thousands of people could perish in such a confrontation….after all it is WAR. Those who are unsure about it need to step aside when the manure hits the fan,and let those who have gonads do what is necessary. I pray that nobody loses his/her life……but that probably will not be the case. Perhaps the states will consider simultaneous secession from the Union. If all 50 states seceded in unison the Fed would be DISENFRANCHISED, and every employee of the fed would be unemployed,at the stroke of a pen, including the crooked judges, and the IRS,DHS,NSA, and oh yes last but not least…..Soetoro himself. He would be President of NOTHING.

  40. RMINNC………
    I take it you are referring to my 5:45 PM comment. If that is the case then I will answer it via email.

  41. Napolitano: Washington lacks constitutional right to own land in Western states
    As we heard over and over during the Nevada standoff between federal agents and Cliven Bundy and his gun-bearing supporters, this fight wasn’t…

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/28/andrew-napolitano/napolitano-washington-lacks-constitutional-right-o/

  42. ROGER that Oldsailor……

    I do not approve of what Donald Sterling said…but the man was in the confines of his HOME when he said it……….that means someone VIOLATED his freedom of speech and his rights of PRIVACY…..

    These damn left wingers who are always running around crying wolf need to read the Constitution some times……

    When a man home is no longer his castle…everyone is in danger.

    And these f*cking liberal idiots who are crying about what the man said in the privacy of his OWN home need to chill out and get a real life……

    The bottom line is:

    If this injustice can happen to Donald Sterling (a man of wealth), it can easily happen to you, or me, or anyone else who values this sacred right of free speech.

    Some things are worth fighting and dying for. The Freedom to say what you want to say, and how you want to say it in the privacy of your own home is ONE such freedom I do not take lightly …….

    If we give up our basic freedom of speech so easily as the media wants us too…, then we are already slaves to the elite.

    I will not get on bended knee to any bastard…..be he king or otherwise.

    Words my grandfather told me still ring in my ears today….he said, “If you don’t stand for something, you will fall for anything”….

    I have never forgotten those words and I have molded my everyday living to them..

  43. oldsailor…

    yes that comment….

  44. BREAKING: Brand New Update On Arpaio Criminal Investigation Into Obama’s Birth Certificate
    “The evidence is so overwhelming, something legal will have to happen”

    Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/breaking-brand-new-update-criminal-investigation-obamas-birth-certificate/#KKwibvlpPxwYhJvB.99

  45. Bombshell: Newly Released Emails Reveal Obama Admin’s Reaction to Benghazi

    http://bit.ly/1hQD7Ez

  46. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Just a few comments and then off to bed,

    bob strauss,

    These emails will be swept under the carpet. I’ve heard this year from this administration that the attack was caused by the video.

    I’d like to read the emails, no link provided in the article.

    Those of us who have taken the time to be INFORMED with FACTS know what was going on in Benghazi and know why Stevens was killed and molested.

    Your “westernjournalism” link didn’t work for me. I would have liked to have read that article also.

  47. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    My opinion on Sterling is this:

    He was talking in a private conversation, not something that should ever become public, and as such, there should have been no punishment what so ever, and the person who released the private conversation should be shamed for doing such a thing.

    I believe that we ALL, black, white, asian, indian et al have all said stuff when in private that we wouldn’t want made public, I know I have.

    Men talk different when with men.

    Women talk different when with women.

    Military talk differently when with military.

    Husbands talk differently when with the wife.

    You get the picture.

    And if I were Sterling,

    I would dissolve the team immediately.

    Forfeit the series.

    Shut it down completely and let someone start another organization from scratch.

    I would also sue the NBA for loss of revenue, THAT’S where the dollars are, not with his “girlfriend”, and not with TMZ.

    He’ll get more from the NBA then he would get from selling the team.

  48. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Gallups comes across as a used car salesman to me.

    He took 8 minutes to answer that he doesn’t know when (or if) Zullo will release whatever he has.

    “But it’s going to be sooner rather than later”, you just wait and see, it’s going to be big this time……….promise………….BIGGER than universe shattering.

    I’m beginning to get a strong odor from Gallups, and it doesn’t smell good.

    “But you just wait, you won’t believe what Zullo has!!!”

    To me it’s almost like the police knowing someone has committed several robberies but they know he’ll commit more, so they let him continue to rob people to get more charges.

    And his “only one chance at this” line is rubbing me the wrong way.

    Just put the evidence out and let us see it.

    WE’LL decide whether it’s BIGGER than universe shattering, or whether we’ve been lead down another empty rabbit hole.

    I’m wondering if Zullo works more than a couple hours a day? How long does it take to “organize” all of the evidence?

    I’m really sorry for being so negative, but we’ve been SLAPPED down too much.

  49. Interested Bystander

    Please don’t take my comment wrong,

    I HOPE Zullo has something “BIGGER” than universe shattering.

    But we’ve waited and waited and waited, and the evidence keeps coming in TWO YEARS later.

    How long does an “investigation” take?

    One side of me thinks Zullo is “riding the wave” for as long as he can. Stringing us along, because I believe he is making money doing what he is doing. GOOD money. RETIREMENT money.

    But if he has what he claims he has, he will cash in ten fold.

    Just how much money does a person need?

  50. More of the slime oldsailor81 references.
    *********************
    This Is Sick: Democrat Senator Forced To Resign, Facing Jail Over What Police Found On His Computer

    Not only did officials determine he was involved in a conspiracy to trade hundreds of videos and images of child pornography; he admitted to raping a six-year-old girl in one online chat and expressed his twisted predilection during a number of other conversations.

    “12 is about as old as i [sic] can handle,” he wrote in one exchange. “i love them at 6 7 8 [sic].”

    Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/warning-police-found-democrats-computer-disturbing/#sKpAABt4jh2PCt8C.99

  51. Interested Bystander

    And my last comment will be this:

    Where’s the Malaysian Airplane?

    Are we at the three month mark yet?

    Does anyone know what the Indian Oceans bottom is made of?

    Is it soft or rock? How strong are currents at those depths?

    I still can’t believe something didn’t crack off at some point either at impact, or while it was sinking IF it is in the water.

    But yet nothing has been found.

    Have they looked on land?

    Maybe Iraq, or Pakistan, or China, or Diego Garcia?

  52. Interested Bystander | April 29, 2014 at 7:22 pm |

    Turn on Bill O’ Really, he is about to go over the emails.

  53. ***Everybody who can …..just send a little contribution to either the Salvation Army,or Red Cross. …..then PRAY FOR THEM!***

    I have read horrid stories about the Red Cross–please use Salvation Army.
    And when there is a choice, donate all clothing, etc. to SA—NOT Goodwill.
    Their CEO makes a salary of 1 million—SA CEO works for peanuts.
    I read a wheelchair employee at Goodwill had her pay downsized because she wasn’t fast enough to suit the supervisor.
    Say what?? Just a few stories I read–check it out if you must.
    I do know stories of employees at Goodwill taking good donations home and using in their yard sales.
    Which is why there is never any good stuff at Bowling Green Goodwill.

  54. Interested Bystander……..

    My thought in a nutshell on this Donald Sterling matter………

    This is nothing but a “well planned” and well executed attempt to force Sterling to sale his team the Clippers to Magic Johnson for pennies on the dollar of the true value……

    Remember what Johnson said after this happened…”this is a black league”…..go figure.

  55. ***Yet, we learn daily of the highly sophisticated NSA computer programs which can glean personal information, credit information, payments made, addresses, locations and all other sorts of arcane knowledge which is supposed to be for our security.***

    Sooooo, one would wonder why NSA wasn’t hired to implement ACA????

  56. Looking at Alan Colmes makes me want to PUKE….a sorry specimen of human flesh taking up space and air.

  57. Who the hell is Donald Sterling??
    What are the Clippers??
    I think I know who Magic Johnson is—basketball??

  58. John in Illinois

    Colmes is another Bob Beckel type…..defend Obama to the ends of the earth. Did you notice how he changed the subject of Obama’s rating to how bad congress ratings are?

  59. This is what I call “extreme”.
    **********************
    Lib Rag Guardian: Cats and Dogs Causing Global Warming

    http://weaselzippers.us/184327-lib-rag-guardian-pet-cats-and-dogs-causing-global-warming/

  60. The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free Meals and Food Stamps ever, to 47.5 million people as of the most recent figures available in April 2013.

    Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us “Please Do Not Feed the Animals.”
    Their stated reason for the policy is because “The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.”

  61. Missouri Moves Towards Impeachment of Democrat Governor Nixon
    The Missouri House of Representatives will hold committee hearings on Wednesday to consider the impeachment of Democrat Governor Jay Nixon….

    http://www.tpnn.com/2014/04/29/missouri-moves-towards-impeachment-of-democrat-governor-nixon/

  62. Shocking: How The U.S. Government Used An Agent Provocateur To Charge A Patriot With Terrorism
    “This case is by far the worst travesty of justice I have encountered in my 25-year legal career.”

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/governments-new-definition-terrorism-exercising-constitutional-rights/

  63. Good morning CW, et. al

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