Obama Obamacare White House Press Corp press conference December 20, 2013, 12 questions that could have been asked, Orwellian thought control ruled, Big brother lies of Obama

Obama Obamacare White House Press Corp press conference December 20, 2013, 12 questions that could have been asked, Orwellian thought control ruled, Big brother lies of Obama

“If you like your plan, you can keep it.”…Barack Obama

“millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.”…NBC News October 29, 2013

“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”…George Orwell, “1984″



I read through the transcript of the Obama Obamacare White House Press Corp press conference yesterday to the extent that my weakened stomach would allow. It was the usual claptrap of weak questions and Orwellian responses from Obama.

If you can stand it, here is the transcript.


Thanks to Hot Air for providing some real questions that could have been and should have been asked.

“It is rare that the White House press corps asks exactly what I want it to ask, but today’s display, with a few notable exceptions, was truly irresponsible. Not only would critics of Obamacare like to know how Obama proposes to fix it, but I’m sure the law’s liberal champions would appreciate some more information and assurances as well. Real people are losing their real coverage in real life, and the press corps is wasting the bulk of its questions on this pitifully rare opportunity on how the president feels about this rolling calamity. Well, if the president’s mind-numbing self-reflection can cure your kids when they get sick, you’re in luck, America. Otherwise, you’ll have to wait for the next meeting of the White House Encounter Group for a shot at more answers from the man in charge.”

“1. Hey, from where do you derive the legal authority to change large parts of this law passed by Congress? And, if you believe you have the legal justification for it, what’s to stop a future president from simply deciding he won’t enforce large parts of it?

2. How exactly does the hardship exemption work? Do you have a ballpark number for how many Americans might be eligible? Is there an enforcement mechanism? For instance, will the IRS or someone demand to see a cancellation letter and proof a family couldn’t afford a new plan? If they don’t have the proper evidence would they later face any consequences?

3. Does the administration have the authority to exempt people from certain taxes on an ad hoc basis? From where does it derive this power? Are there other taxes from which people could be exempted by the president’s decree?

4. The demographic make-up of the group enrolled in the exchanges is extremely important to making the law work and avoiding a death spiral, or adverse selection. HHS has been extremely stingy with numbers and specifics about those demographics. Do you have them? Are you getting reports or any sense of what the pool looks like? Colorado, for instance, is enrolling large numbers of 45+ citizens. Does that suggest to you that the health of the pools is in danger? And, could we get some assurances from you that the administration will be transparent about these numbers as we move forward?

5. A report today reveals that Teresa Fryer, chief information security officer for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), thought HealthCare.gov was so full of security holes it should be denied its “Authority to Operate” certification but was overridden. Your HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has said she had no knowledge of security concerns yet Fryer has reportedly told Congress members she briefed Sebelius and others. Were you aware of any security concerns before the launch? Are you at all confident Americans who are submitting sensitive information to the site are safe? Will the federal government be transparent about breaches when and if they happen?

Follow up: There have already been two “high-risk” security findings found as the site has been operating over the past months, along with several medium and low-risk findings. Are you kept abreast of these findings? How did the site launch with these security issues unresolved? Should it have been delayed until they were fixed?

6. Today, just hours before we came to this press conference, the HealthCare.gov website was down. It had a note on it referring to the crash as “scheduled maintenance.” Was it scheduled maintenance today or just another crash? And, if it was scheduled maintenance, why was maintenance scheduled just days before the extended deadline for enrollment?

7. Given the high number of cancellation notices that have gone out—estimates are rough, but some think it may be in the millions if you add up data available to us state by state—combined with the persistent problems with the website, isn’t it possible that the net number of insured will actually go up in the new year? As the formerly insured add to the uninsured pool because they cannot afford a new plan, or they can’t get through the process on HealthCare.gov, or take this latest exemption as a reason to put off purchasing altogether, wouldn’t that destroy this law’s raison d’etre? What does it mean if ACA, which was meant to get the uninsured insured, is a net negative in terms of insured Americans in 2014?”

I urge you to read more:


“What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the pneumatic tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs — to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place. The largest section of the Records Department, far larger than the one on which Winston worked, consisted simply of persons whose duty it was to track down and collect all copies of books, newspapers, and other documents which had been superseded and were due for destruction. A number of The Times which might, because of changes in political alignment, or mistaken prophecies uttered by Big Brother, have been rewritten a dozen times still stood on the files bearing its original date, and no other copy existed to contradict it. Books, also, were recalled and rewritten again and again, and were invariably reissued without any admission that any alteration had been made. Even the written instructions which Winston received, and which he invariably got rid of as soon as he had dealt with them, never stated or implied that an act of forgery was to be committed: always the reference was to slips, errors, misprints, or misquotations which it was necessary to put right in the interests of accuracy.

But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty’s figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version. A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty’s forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at one-hundred-and-forty-five million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than one-hundred-and-forty-five millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain.”…George Orwell, “1984”


29 responses to “Obama Obamacare White House Press Corp press conference December 20, 2013, 12 questions that could have been asked, Orwellian thought control ruled, Big brother lies of Obama

  1. Good morning William, et al.

  2. CW,

    That was a difficult bit to digest. It was simply full of half truths, flat out lies and Incoherent responses towards nonchalant questions.

    I think I need some antacid after reviewing that piece of B.S.

  3. December 21, 2013

    Rich Noyes:

    “Year-End Awards: The ‘Move Along, Nothing to See Here Award,’ for Denying Obama’s Scandals”

    “2013 was the year that scandal after scandal — from the IRS targeting the Tea Party, to Benghazi, to the lies surrounding ObamaCare, and on and on — hit the Obama administration, but journalists kept acting as if the President and his team were clean as a whistle. So today, the results of our “Move Along, Nothing to See Here Award,” for denying Obama’s scandals.

    Winning this award was Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus and CNN political analyst David Gergen who, during a November 4 appearance on NPR’s Diane Rehm Show, agreed with each other that Obama’s had been a “really relatively scandal-free administration.”

    MP3 audio: http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2013/2013-11-04-NPR-Marcus_0.mp3


  4. Gordo………
    Had it been a Republican POTUS who done all of the unconstitutional BS that Soetoro did,he would have been impeached. It is not very difficult to see that the WACKY HOUSE, Congress,and the DOJ are all under the control of a HALFWIT,and supported by more HALFWITS. When Harriet went to the hospital she turned the post over to DIRTY DICKEY TURBAN, the Illinois NUMBSKULL, who floated out of the Chicago cesspool overflow pipe.

    I have given considerable thought to the Fukushima event, which allegedly caused radioactive poisoning of a number of US sailors who were either ORDERED to assist,or assisted the Japanese voluntarily after the meltdown of two nuclear reactors.This is based upon what I already know regarding radioactivity,and experience FIRST HAND at the 1954 Hydrogen bomb ATMOSPHERIC tests in the Pacific,at Eniwetok, Marshall Islands. Before any of us even ventured anywhere we were all put through a very grueling ,and otherwise comprehensive month long school at Seattle WA.This school dealt with all aspects of nuclear radiation,and the then levels of protection from radioactivity. When we arrived at Eniwetok the ship which I was then serving aboard became the epicenter of fleet transportation,and repair of landing craft used in various applications within the test area. All of these landing craft had become radioactive from simply being in the lagoon water. We were ordered to go aboard these small craft and conduct scrub downs of them until the radiation level was below a safe standard. Many of these boats were initially over 200 Milliroentgens,and for anyone to venture aboard required laed lined protection wear over his entire body. Needless to say the internal temperatures of these suits became overbearing very quickly in the Paxific sun at the Marshall Islands in Maech. Some of the people were forced to remove either the hoods or the shroud itself,exposing them to high levels of gamma as well as other potential ly harmful radiation. These people who done this done so IN CONTRADICTION to PRIOR ORDERS which mandated total coverage for the entire time that the person was in the radioactive area. Most of us sweated profusely but we did not remove the hoods. Those who did I have heard over the years that a few of them have experienced health problems. AS this relates to Fukushima I have to say that if the sailors went into a known radioactive area without protective suits then they INVITED their OWN problems,which speaks of complete ignorance regarding radioactivity. If they were ORDERED to participate,or assist the Japanese by an IGNORAT CO then yes they have a solid case. The Commanding officers of the support ships are ALL aware of the dangers of absorbing radioactivity,and if any of them ordered menn into such a place without adequate protection then that officer should face a General Courts Martial for NEGLIGENCE,stripped of his rank and given a lengthy vacation at Leavanworth.

  6. ……..There are a few errors in the text regarding spelling,but since I am unable to viwe what I am typing you will probably have to guess what I am saying.

  7. ……and once again I offer some insight still based upon my general knowledge regarding radioactivity. If a person is in an area where an atmospheric detonation has occurred, you will be receiving gamma radiation from CS 137,as well as a lesser radiation from Strontium 90 radiation. Both are harmful,but the danger from Strontium 90 is nowhere near that of GAMMA radiation which can penetrate even 8′ thick concrete. The gamma soon breaks the human DNA strand which then cause the cells to no longer have the ability to reproduce exact copies of themselves. Instead a cancerous growth occurs.. To the best of my knowledge there are now 23 different cancers which the absorption of rionising radioactivity can produce.. This list was provided to all of the people who absorbed radiation at the Nuclear tests in the Pacific from 1951 up through the end of the atmospheric tests in the 1970s. For a period of time the DOJ maintained a BLUE FILE as it was called which contained the names of all who had filed claims against the US GOVERNMENT. Some received the $75,000.00 but a hell of a lot of them DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING even though thheyy possessed medically provven assessment statements from doctors who were directly involved with the program. This denial tells a damning story about the DOJ which many of uus have recently seen to be the truth.

  8. “Obamacare Confusion Sends Hospital Admissions To Lowest On Record”


  9. Then the Obama machine will tout that they have reduced medical costs to the “lowest on record.” We are dealing with nearly the worst of evil.

  10. Cabby.

    “The Commerce Department’s final look at growth in the summer was up from a previous estimate of 3.6 percent. Four-fifths of the revision in the report released yesterday came from stronger consumer spending, mainly in the area of health care.”


  11. Dems afraid of being executed for their crimes?

    Obama’s origins narrative of course remains unresolved. This week for the first time, a mainstream publication supported the voracity of evidence that the President perpetrated a fraud with the forged long-form birth certificate released by the White House in April 2011. It is a little-known fact that the submission of fraudulent documents toward attaining public office on the federal level remains an executable offense under the law.
    It is possible that we not only have a pathologically unethical oligarchy in perpetual residence in our government, but various Mafia-like “families” sharing and trading off power
    Do Democrat lawmakers anticipate treason trials?
    By Erik Rush
    According to a report by Breitbart’s Elizabeth Sheld, eight Democrat lawmakers have proposed a bill that would eliminate the death penalty as a consequence for individuals convicted of numerous federal crimes, among them espionage and treason. Nothing happens in Washington without a reason, so The Federal Death Penalty Abolition Act (HR 3741) gives rise to a bevy of questions and suspicions.
    What motivation would congressional Democrats have for wishing to neutralize the death penalty option for such serious crimes? While the average news consumer is conditioned to summarily dismiss the machinations of government unless it directly impacts their pocketbook, or their sensibilities are deliberately targeted by the press, common sense dictates that elected officials proposing such a law could be anticipating the requisite conditions, thus necessitating the law in the first place.
    So, who do these lawmakers suppose might be tried for treason, espionage, or the host of other federal crimes now punishable by death in the not-so-distant future?
    Well, take your pick. President Obama himself committed a treasonable offense in supplying military aid to rebels fighting against the Assad regime in Syria, first clandestinely and then overtly after circumventing laws expressly prohibiting same. What other treasonable offenses he may have committed attendant to this process (including those related to the 9/11/12 attack on the Benghazi compound) remains to be seen.


  12. This website has Slideshow with 17 pictures of the plane wreckage:


  13. Bob Strauss………….
    I looked very closely at all of the pictures of the remainder of the Cessna. First off I have to say that this aircraft would NEVER have broken up this badly in the forced landing in the water. Had it broken up like that there would have been damn few survivors. This aircraft was deliberately broken up for some other reason. I personally believe that none of this was supposed to happen.The airplane originally was supposed to sink to the bottom of the ocean and there would be NO atattempts to bring it backup.In my own belief this airplane would have remained largely intact after the ditching.. It might have sufferred some some moderate damage to the belly and forward part of the fuselage but it would in no way have broken up that badly. Had that actually broken up that badly on impaxct very few if anybody would have survived. After all it did remain on the surface long enough for everybody to escape.. There is a lot of questions that now must be asked.

  14. …..in addition the manner in which the propeller is bent is consistent with the propeller turning under power when the aircraft impacted the water. Had the propeller been stopped it would be bent mostly at it’s hub. Nor would the process of sinking to the bottom have bent the propeller in the way it is bent.In addition the sinking of the airplane would not have broken it up this badly. I personally think that it was deliberately broken up for the purpose of hampering an NTSB investigation. Had it broken up as badly as it is now it would have sank immediately.

  15. Bob Strauss re 5:48 PM
    You are exactly right with regard to the possible penalties for defrauding the American people then compounding the offense by perpetrating treason. Yes there could be death penalties, just as was the case at Nurenberg at the war crimes trials of the Nazis. I personally believe that the entire scenario that you outlined is entirely possible,and perhaps even PROBABLE!

  16. ……I would also add that any prosecution of traitors would be carried out under Constitutional law rather than case law, nor would there be any application of hastily contrived changes to existing laws. So attempts by liberals to change laws this late in the ball game probably would be set aside.

  17. Some comments from a Facebook article. I don’t think it went too well for the usurper and Moochelle. Read the comments.

    Michelle Obama: ‘Make It a Christmas Treat’ to Talk About Health Insurance.
    Oh really?

    Michelle Obama: ‘Make It a Christmas Treat’ to Talk About Health Insurance. Oh really? (click link for video!) http://www.westernjournalism.com/michelle-obama-make-christmas-treat-talk-health-insurance/
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    Bob Cantrell FEMALE DOG
    Like · Reply · 205 · 3 hours ago
    17 Replies · about an hour ago
    Monty Sanders Obama makes me puke!
    Like · Reply · 246 · 3 hours ago
    7 Replies · 35 minutes ago
    Patsy Spry DAMN!!!! Is she ever UGLY!!!!! I still think she’s really a HE!!!
    Like · Reply · 13 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    Kenneth Hedrick Let us talk about our Savior Jesus Christ!
    Like · Reply · 12 · 3 hours ago
    Donna Laczynski Simek Lol…What a douche bag…”Make it a Christmas treat to talk about health care”. What swamp pond they did dredge them out of.
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    Patrick Demitry They should crawl back under the rock , ha before headless horsemen get em
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    Ernest Arthur Veer Make it a Christmas treat to talk about impeachment
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    Melissa Jones I don’t think so, Christmas is about the birth of Jesus. Do you and your husband know him? I don’t think so because if you did you would not promote abortion or gay marriage.
    Like · Reply · 10 · 3 hours ago
    Angela Windish Bob I have the balls to call a spade a spade…FUCKING BITCH!!!!!!
    Like · Reply · 10 · 3 hours ago
    Sam Piperni make it a Christmas treat, and lets talk about impeaching that worthless husband of yours
    Like · Reply · 10 · 3 hours ago
    Jim Lanham IDIOTS!!!!
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Patricia Morse Are you kidding me, Most people wantyou and your husband out of our government ASAP!!!!
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Don Prestia My wish for Christmas this year is impeachment and then hang Obama for treason.
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Sharon Schatz The Dem’s should run and hide. This is pathetic.
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Jared Howe These people make me sick.
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Brt Tan Is she as dumb as she sounds? it appears we have Dumb and Dumber occupying the People house, time to evict!.
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Betty Phillips Sistrunk Aren’t you all getting real tired of seeing these two ugly faces…i know i am..They are a pitiful excuse for for being a PRESIDENTIAL COUPLE. they are MOOCHERS AND LIARS ..
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Sally Rauwolf Why should she care? She’s keeping her health plan thanks to her husband & him tweeking the law. Hope you enjoy your 4 million dollar vacation on us. Most Americans can’t even take a vacation. I’m discussed with this family in our WH.
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Dave Nichols these people are just disgusting
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Deborah Nash Woman you’re as crazy as your stupid LIAR husband.
    Like · Reply · 10 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    Jim Blake Lady has to do the mans’ job. What a couple of jerkoffs.
    Like · Reply · 10 · 3 hours ago
    Teresa Wandler Crane how out of touch with the real world would one have to be to say something like this. i mean really? a Christmas treat to talk about something that is failing. good plan.
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Terri Solomon There is something seriously wrong with that woman.
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    Linda J. Q. Phillips how sickening is that…what idiots these 2 are..plus all their HACKS
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Jo-Anne Smatlak Towle Is she out of her mind??? Unbelievable if she thinks that will happen.
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Robert Brooker What a joke. Yes, talk about cancelled policies, raised premiums and Socialists government control!
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Sherri Lowery Weaver Piss on both of the communist scum!!!
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Dave Miller Ovomit and his Wookie both make me want to puke. The only talking I am going to do is about why I am NEVER signing up.
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago · Edited
    Marcia Patterson Christmas is about Christ! The baby Jesus!
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    G.c. Philbeck No to Obamacare period ever.
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Matt Kraemer Make it a Christmas Treat to talk about impeachment…
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    Kendall R. McCall While you spend the peoples money on Hawaii
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    David Midgley Too stupid. Put their liberal agenda ahead of the celebration of the birth of Jesus? God made flesh! They are too stupid!
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Donna Mohr Bungo You ugly twit!
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Donna Lentz Oh, please!!! This was the most disgusting thing I have seen in a long time. How pathetic – these two need to go away – Hawaii is not far enough, try another country, or better yet another planet.
    Like · Reply · 9 · 3 hours ago
    Andy Jorgensen I didn’t think it was possible but she is even more useless than he is.
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Cheryl Pittman Peirce Boy they really have no scruples whatsoever they will even use Christmas to try to sell this ridiculous Obamacare that will only bankrupt the poor people of our country
    Like · Reply · 7 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    Amerikan Exile What is wrong with these people? Mercy…
    Like · Reply · 7 · 3 hours ago
    Cathy Kivela ya, like that’s what they’re talking about as they lay around on the beach in Hawaii….
    Like · Reply · 7 · 3 hours ago
    Jo-Anne O’Brien They don’t have to talk about it they are exempt along with all the other politicians and big unions.
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    Robert Strauss
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    Max Webb No thanks! we are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ.
    Like · Reply · 7 · 3 hours ago
    Cindy Melchin VanLandegen Who wants to talk about healthcare at Christmas?
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    Christopher Head yes they are really this stupid…..
    Like · Reply · 7 · 3 hours ago
    Jim Poppy DeMarco Can’t look or hear either of them.
    Like · Reply · 7 · 3 hours ago
    Michael Gallagher Stupid is, as stupid does
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    Jenny Ohara Michele is getting uglier and uglier.
    Like · Reply · 8 · 3 hours ago
    Stephen Snyder Only wish that her and the kids could have the same great insurance that they are offering everyone else.
    Like · Reply · 7 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    William K. Hyler What a load of CRAP!!!
    Like · Reply · 6 · 3 hours ago via mobile
    Sally Bunting Kaley One thing I won’t talk about is Obama during CHRISTmas, She isn’t even convinced, lol.
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    Shirley Ricks Can’t like, can’t listen.
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    Tacie Moon Many in this country are looking for a treat from y’all…resignation and removal! Merry Christmas!!!
    Like · Reply · 6 · 3 hours ago
    Marlene Bakken Oh we’ll be talking about it all right, not the way they want however!
    Like · Reply · 6 · 3 hours ago
    Jeanie Trent how dumb can she possibly be?
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    Frank E Bishop I am sure that’s what they’ll be doing at there $4 million dollar taxpayer paid for vacation in Hawaii

  18. oldsailor81,
    I thought the plane may have been beat to death by wave action, if it washed up on a rocky shoreline, we will probably never know, planned or otherwise.

  19. oldsailor81,
    I wonder how the impeachment of the usurper would go if a majority of the democratic representatives, and senators were indicted along with the usurper, they have covered for, for five years. After all, they say ignorance is no excuse from the law.

  20. Have the people in Chicago finally woke up? Al Sharpton’s Chicago Town Hall Erupts into Revolt Against Machine Politics

  21. Good morning CW et al,

    Honorfirst, Here is the video to your link. You beat me too it.. 🙂

  22. Bob,

    Was thinking of you and what would be a great Online Christmas present for you, from me.

    I am currently looking for a Christmas speedo with all the lights and bells and promote an excellent dance video – just for you. Fat rolls and all. 🙂

  23. Good morning William, et al.

  24. oldsailor81
    The assassination of Fuddy I do not think is the end of this story.
    Watch the death records of all the people that was left alive on the plane wreck. There could be another cover up murder. You know like heart attack…car wreck….suicide…. Unless one of them is Barrys paid hit man!

  25. Ginger,

    I don’t see anyone in life vests outside the plane in these photos. It’s also clear that the plane was still semi afloat with a drifting stream behind it headed towards the shore and still fully intact at that time with only a couple of hundred feet to go.

  26. William
    So close to shore…hmmmm didn’t one person swim to shore? Need to check and see his name, etc. Any word on Fuddy’s cause of death?

  27. Ginger,

    Non that I’m aware of. But suspect it will be something as simple as a heart attack.

  28. Also,

    Remember that the first initial report was that most likely the plane was not going to be able to be retrieved. Hell, the damn thing is floating next to the shore and has been for quite some time as you can clearly see the tread wakes behind its path, and is less than 70ft. of water!

    We have pulled up many things, planes, subs, ships and even the space shuttle in far more depths of the ocean than that.

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