Bernanke unemployment could hit 6.5 percent in 2014, Pigs could fly too?, 11.4 percent based on 2008 labor force participation, Real unemployment part time workers and no benefits

Bernanke unemployment could hit 6.5 percent in 2014, Pigs could fly too?, 11.4 percent based on 2008 labor force participation, Real unemployment part time workers and no benefits

“11.4%: What the U.S. unemployment rate would be if labor force participation were back to January 2008 levels.” …James Pethokoukis, American Enterprise Institute, June 2013

“Private sector employment increased by 119,000 jobs from March to April, according to the April ADP National Employment Report….The March report, which reported job gains of 158,000, was revised downward to 131,000 jobs.”...ADP May 1, 2013

“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”…George Orwell, “1984″

Yesterday Ben Bernanke stated that unemployment could hit 6.5 percent in 2014.

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda.

Recently Market Watch queried a group of economists. One of them,  James Pethokoukis, of the American Enterprise Institute, accurately stated:

“11.4%: What the U.S. unemployment rate would be if labor force participation were back to January 2008 levels.”

So why are Ben Bernanke, the media, the Obama Administration and many in the financial community touting an improved jobs situation?

Bernanke said that unemployment could hit 6.5 percent in 2014.

I suppose that pigs could fly too. If given the proper stimulus.

92 responses to “Bernanke unemployment could hit 6.5 percent in 2014, Pigs could fly too?, 11.4 percent based on 2008 labor force participation, Real unemployment part time workers and no benefits

  1. William | June 19, 2013 at 5:47 pm |

    I was having the same problem with videos being a black, blank space.
    I tried a few things, uniinstalled and reinstalled real player, windows media.

    I rountinely clear my cache (temporary files, etc) but when I went into internet tools to delete my browsing cache, I noticed the top box “preserve favorites website data was unchecked. Once I checked that bos and deleted eb

  2. sorry my posting box messed up..once I checked that box and deleted everything in that section, it cleared up the problem. All my videos here at CW are back up. I am currently using windows XP. Hope that helps

  3. WikiLeaks says Michael Hastings contacted it just before his death. Are they implying he was murdered?
    I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, but this is another one of those sudden, eary deaths.

  4. citizenwells

    “In the week ending June 15, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 354,000, an increase of 18,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 336,000. The 4-week moving average was 348,250, an increase of 2,500 from the previous week’s revised average of 345,750.”

  5. Good morning CW, Zack, Oldsailor, Honor First, William and all…….


    Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, June 19, 2013, 11:19 PM

    The Tea Party Patriots held their Audit The IRS Rally today on the West Lawn of the US Capitol. Speakers included: Sen. Rand Paul, Sen. Ted Cruz, Glenn Beck, Rep. Michele Bachmann, Jenny Beth Martin, Rep. Steve King, Rep. Dave Camp, Rep. Louie Gohmert, Rep. Jim Jordan, Rep. Tim Huelskamp, Dana Loesch, Jim Hoft, Niger Innis, etc. and several Tea Party Leaders.

    Everyone was there except the media.

    The Tea Party Patriots estimated bwtween 10,000 and 15,000 supporters turned out for the rally.

    Meanwhile, in Berlin today, the pool reporter said only 4,500 turned out for Barack Obama’s speech. In 2008 Barack Obama drew 200,000 to his rally there.
    This is encouraging news on two fronts. First, it shows the TEA Party isn’t dead as the Main Stream Media want us to believe, and secondly, it shows Barack Obama (or whatever his name is) has become “old hat” in Europe and needs an 8 inch thick piece of protective glass before he will speak to the public..what a brave man Obama is. In 2008, I don’t recall him using this 8 inch protective glass when he supposedly spoke to over 200,000 people, do you?…… reality, the Bummer is nothing but SMOKE…. all SMOKE………and NO MIRRORS.

    Meanwhile as the King and Queen of America are jetting around the world spending as much of the taxpayers money from the treasury as they possibly can, back home in the USA, the “bread lines” are getting longer, unemployment is rising, summer is coming, and all hell is going to break loose, and … Bummer will blame it all on Bush…..

    That’s my story, and I’m sticking too it..

  6. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I’m thinking rewarding people for taking Americans prisoner isn’t a good idea:

  7. You are right IB…It’s a terrible idea…….but my inner thoughts are telling me that Kerry and Obama will LOVE this deal…..and will take the bait..

    It will put 5 SENIOR Tailban leaders back in operation…that should make some soldiers fighting over there real happy.

    Maybe we should just send in a SEAL team to get Sergeant Bergdakl back…I’m sure our NSA knows where he is…they seem to know everything else.

    What’s that you say? The NSA don’t know anything about the terrorist living overseas in a foreign country? They specialize in “homegrown” terrorist in the US…oh well, it was just a fleeing thought.

    I guess we have to send in the SEAL’s without the NSA intel, that’s probably a better idea anyway, don’t you think?

  8. Afghanistan peace talks: US-Taliban meeting in Qatar Cancelled

    Afghan government anger at opening of Taliban office in Qatar leads US to suspend plans to attend talks


    A fresh effort to end Afghanistan’s 12-year-old war looked in disarray on Thursday after a diplomatic row about the Taliban’s new Qatar office delayed preliminary discussions between the US and the Islamist insurgents.

    Talks between US officials and Taliban representatives had been set for Thursday in the Gulf state but Afghan government anger at the opening of a Taliban office there threw preparations into confusion.

    The dispute may set the tone for what could be long and arduous negotiations to end a war that has raged since the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

    Asked when the talks would now take place, a source in Doha told Reuters: “There is nothing scheduled that I am aware of.” Asked if that meant they would not happen on Thursday, the source added: “Yes, that’s correct.”
    Oh well…another great American-hatched scheme down the drain….
    How Now Brown Cow?…Ouite Full Black Bull !.

  9. citizenwells

    “Cone Health announces plan to eliminate 300 positions”

    “Layoffs are coming at one of the Triad’s largest health care employers.
    Cone Health executives said they will eliminate 300 positions over the next three months, 150 of them vacant.
    Cone’s website said it has more than 9,600 employees in Guilford, Forsyth, Alamance and Rockingham Counties.
    Cone Health has more than 100 locations, including five hospitals, two medical centers and 55 doctors practices. It operates Cone, Wesley Long, and women’s hospitals in Greensboro
    “We fell back into a corner now because our most precious resource and one of our most expensive resources are our people. So for an organization where that is true, in order for us to obtain that magnitude of expense savings, invariably we have to start looking at ways of cutting labor costs,””

  10. U.S. National-Security Workers have Falsified Records, Faked Background Checks, Lax Oversight

  11. Texas Enacts Email Security Law

  12. What was it Ben Franklin once said,
    “Those who are willing to give up their freedom for a little bit of safety will have neither freedom or safety”…or something like that.

    Well listen to what Miss Alabama said about the subject……


    .or it your not real careful, the best of intentions will come back and bite you in the ass.

    Feds Must Produce NSA Dragnet Records for Criminal Defense

    FORT LAUDERDALE (CN) – Citing the NSA telephone dragnet, a federal judge ordered the United States government to deliver telephone records demanded by a man on trial for an armored car robbery in which a Brink’s employee was killed.
    Terrance Brown is charged with the attempted robbery of armored cars, which culminated in the murder of a Brink’s armored truck messenger on Oct. 1, 2010. Though Brown did not kill the Brink’s employee, the government claims he was the mastermind behind the robberies.
    The actual triggerman, Nathaniel Moss, pleaded guilty to several charges and is serving a life sentence. Brown and five others have pleaded not guilty, according to The Associated Press.
    In light of the recently revealed National Security Agency surveillance program, Brown’s defense attorneys challenged the government’s claim that it has no access to records of Brown’s phone calls.
    Prosecutors claimed they were missing records of calls to and from two of Brown’s telephones before Sept. 1, 2010. They claimed Brown’s service provider, MetroPCS, no longer had the records. Prosecution relied on Moss’s and other co-conspirators’ cell phone records to try to prove Brown’s involvement in the armed robberies.

    “The government must be ordered to turn over the records for the two telephones that it attributes to Mr. Brown for the dates which are relevant to this case – the month of July of 2010,” defense attorney Louis wrote in the motion to compel.
    The defense attorney claims the records are in the government’s possession, and that it must be required to turn them over.
    “The records are material and favorable to Mr. Brown’s defense; they are evidentiary and relevant to the issues in trial; they are not otherwise procurable by exercise of due diligence; the application is made in good faith and is not intended as a general fishing expedition; and, the records are necessary for Mr. Brown to meet the government’s evidence in this matter,” Louis wrote in the motion.

    The judge agreed and gave the government two days to produce the records.
    “The Court regrets the short deadline for compliance but notes that the evidence that defendant Brown seeks pertains to a trial that has been underway since May 31, 2013, and any order requiring the production of any materials sought would become meaningless if such items were not produced in sufficient time for the defense to use them in its case,” the judge wrote.
    It was unclear at press time this morning whether the government has produced the records.
    I kinda feel that the defendant will walk…….any bets? Will this case open up a whole lot of new bag of worms and challenges to the NSA problem that has been created?…only time will tell.

  14. Here is Michael Hastings (R.I.P.) last article re NSA spying
    It is reported that he contacted wikileaks (fearing the FBI was spying on him) shortly before his untimely death.
    Hastings died in a fatal single-car crash at 4:25 on Tuesday morning. A witness said his car “suddenly jackknifed” before crossing the median and hitting a tree, causing a ferocious explosion that reportedly threw the engine block of the brand new Mercedes Hastings was driving 30 or 40 yards from the car. Mercedes engine blocks typically weigh between 290 and 540 pounds. It would take tremendous speed or force to throw one nearly half the length of a football field.

    “It sounded like a bomb went off in the middle of the night,” another witness told the TV station. “The house shook, my windows were rattling.”

    Hastings’ body was burned “beyond recognition,” according to reports.


    I have two things to say about this….First, the veteran should have been stomping on Lil Wayne’s head….and second, what in the hell is wrong with all those (black) people standing around watching and cheering him on…he sure was a great example of an All-American, proud black man to those young people there…..After all…it is now as much their country as it is mine, or yours…it’s OUR’s…we are all in the same boat…and the damn thing is now leaking badly…..
    SOS…someone….Save Our Ship….

  16. HonorFirst @ 11:22

    Another Breitbart………….

  17. From Jeff Kuhner (the Washington Times and WRKO-680 AM in Boston) this morning: Rubio will have a challenger in the 2016 Senate race: None other than Allen West.

    One traitor running against another traitor; more and more, this seems to be the choice we’re being saddled with. Sad.

  18. So…………

    Obama went to Northern Ireland and expressed his displeasure with Catholic and Protestant schools? Calls them divisive? Huh? Weird!

    Actually not so weird………considering he’s a Muslim.

    Who’s divisive?

  19. SueQ…I came across this at The American Thinker…..It’s called a case for “The Boston Brakes”

    Apparently this has been used in the past with great success….this may be what was used to do hastings in…..

    “According to former SAS officer and world-famous explorer, Sir Ranulph Feinnes, it is not beyond reason that both Princess Diana’s Mercedes and Jorg Haider’s Volkswagen were remotely hijacked.

    feather_men_book_cover In his book, The Feather Men, Feinnes recounts in some detail a highly sophisticated assassination technique which he says has been employed by the world’s intelligence agencies for decades.

    A microchip transceiver, he explains, is fitted to the target vehicle’s on-board computer, allowing the vehicle to be controlled remotely.

    He says this technique was first deployed by the CIA in Boston, hence its name: the ‘Boston brakes’.

    Feinnes also recounts an instance of the ‘Boston brakes’ being successfully deployed in England in 1986, which resulted in the assassination of SAS Major, Michael Marman, and the near-death of a former equerry to the Queen, Sir Peter Horsley.

    According to Sir Ranuplh Feinnes, the ‘Boston brakes’ is all fact, no fiction.

    Certainly evidence John and I present in our new book Princess Diana The Evidence shows clearly enough that Diana was almost certainly the victim of the ‘Boston brakes’.

    And given the startling correlations presented above, one has to wonder if Jorg Haider might also have suffered this same premeditated fate.”
    One witness reported “it sounded like a bomb going off”….another reported the engine block was thrown 200 feet from the vehicle…Mercedes cars are not this brittle…..maybe it was a case of
    “Boston Brakes”…..Please note that the use of “Boston Brakes” is FACT …..

  20. June 20, 2013

    “Hannity To Playboy: Obama Went To Muslim School In Indonesia; Or Wherever It Was; Kenya”
    “Sean Hannity To Playboy: Obama Went To Muslim School In Indonesia; Or Wherever It Was; Kenya”

    By David Hochman @ Playboy Magazine


    “PLAYBOY: Trump was one of the most vocal skeptics of Obama’s American citizenship. You’ve also said Obama grew up in Kenya. Do you regret saying that now?

    HANNITY: But he did grow up in Kenya, and he told The New York Times that he went to a school there and one of the most beautiful things on the planet is Islamic prayer at sunset.

    PLAYBOY: Are you fueling the myth that Obama’s a Muslim from Africa by saying that?

    HANNITY: I never fueled the myth. How do you come up with this stuff? He did go to a Muslim school. He writes about it in his own book.

    PLAYBOY: He did not grow up in Kenya.

    HANNITY: He went to a Muslim school in Indonesia, or wherever it was, Kenya. I forget. Now you’ve got me. I think it was Indonesia. I’m trying to remember his biography. It’s going back so long. He admits he went to a Muslim school. It’s on his audiobook, if you want a tape of it—you can hear him say it himself.”

  21. Brian Reilly’s comment at ORYR:

    The following U.S. Senators and Representatives were provided the same Obama identity documentation that I provided to Sheriff Arpaio on August 22, 2011. The following Senators and Representatives received the information in August, 2011. For 22 months they have been silent about Obama’s ID fraud. They are: Shelby; Hutchinson; Posey; Goodlatte; Broun; West; Steve King; Poe; McClintock; Farenthold; Chris Smith; Peter King; Sandy Adams; Coble; Franks; Pence; Garrett; Boehner; Mike Lee; Rand Paul, Rubio; Ryan; Cantor; McCarthy; Issa; Walberg.

    The failure of Congress to act is why we approached Sheriff Arpaio in 2011.”

  22. June 20, 2013

    Steve McCann:

    “The Self-Delusion of the American Political Establishment”

    “For many decades it has been tacitly understood among those in both party hierarchies the role that each play in the kabuki theatre that is the American Political Establishment. For the Democrats, it has been to be the presumptive champion of the downtrodden and disenfranchised, and for the Republicans to be the promoters of free enterprise as an unending and growing source of income for the state, while maintaining some semblance of mitigating government spending. Both actors have been content in the knowledge that each party would at some point have control of various levers of government be it the White House or one or both Houses of Congress.

    The self-deluded fools in the American Political Establishment refuse to comprehend the long-term peril the country faces as well as the reality that the tactics of the Obama Regime are no different than those of Hitler or Mussolini in the early years of their dictatorship. That entity must be, therefore, be dismantled.”



  24. HonorFirst,

    Thanks for the advice. I am on my laptop and using Windows 7. I will see what I can do tonight or over the weekend. I forget who the pc guru is here, I am thinking it was Gordo.

    I also recently purchased a new home pc for my wife, unfortunately it is Windows 8, and tons of issues. I put Windows 7 on it instead. Nevertheless, even with Norton, somehow I think she got an adware virus. You cannot open a page up without 10 adware’s and automatic transfer to ad sites in additional pages, its ridiculous. I have tried everything I know to fix her pc. I am just going to have to take it to an expert.

  25. On another note,

    The recent NSA testimony before congress, the General as well as others, stated they only collect data (phone, email, ect.) from foreign persons contacting the U.S. and not on “everyone” in the U.S.

    Well, if that’s true, then why has the NSA filed a suit in a S.F. Calif. court demanding “ALL” emails from Google?

    These Lying S.O.B.’s testifying in front of Congress need to be held accountable, questioned rigorously, and if found lying, charges of contempt of congress need applied and demand their removal from position.

    Here would be my question to the NSA General in next hearing: What is the definition between “All” U.S. citizens, and “only foreigners”? Then explain the law suit sir….

  26. oldsailor80

    I emphatically agree. The cost of labor has skyrocketed in the US making our various industries less and less competetive. Since when should an UNSKILLED laborer be paid $27.00 an hour to shove a color coded bolt into a color coded hole and put a color cooded nut on it and tighten it with a color coded impact wrench. Oh yes I nearly forgot it requires a LOT OF SPECIAL SCHOOLING to recognise the colors and what it implies where mechanical assembly is concerned Unfortunatelythe same moron cannot discern between a 3/8″ bolt and a 1″ bolt.

    Priests to Pelosi: Condemn Abortion or Leave the Church…Your Call

    A pro-life group called on California Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi to “exercise your duties as a public servant and a Catholic, or have the honesty to formally renounce them,” in a widely-circulated open letter Wednesday.

    “Public servants are supposed to be able to tell the difference between serving the public and killing the public. Apparently, you can’t,” wrote national director of Priests for Life Father Frank Pavone. “Otherwise, you would have been able to explain the difference between a legal medical procedure that kills a baby inside the womb and an act of murder.”

    Pavone’s letter was written in response to the Minority Leader’s argument with a reporter — The Weekly Standard asked Pelosi to clarify her position on abortion in the wake of the Kermit Gosnell case during a press conference Thursday.

    What is the moral difference between what Dr. Gosnell did to a baby born alive at 23 weeks and aborting her moments before birth?” the reporter asked.

    Pelosi dismissed the question and equated Gosnell’s crimes with pro-life activists’ condemnation of abortion.

    “What was done in Philadelphia was reprehensible and everybody condemned it. For them to decide to disrespect a judgment a woman makes about her reproductive health is reprehensible,” she said. “Next question.”

    When pressed for an answer, Pelosi pushed back harder, telling the reporter abortion should not be a political matter.

    “As a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground to me when we talk about this. I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics. And that’s where you’re taking it and I’m not going there,” Pelosi said, according to the press conference transcript.
    Duhhhhh….Nancy dear…It’s not about politics….it’s about MURDER…
    You can’t have it both ways…your either a GOOD Catholic… or your a make believe Catholic…..


  28. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    RAW Footage Of Michael Hastings Car Crash

    Something fishy!

  29. oldsailor80

    William……..Re; 1:29 PM
    I agree totally but he isn’t the head of the snake. Look higher,……it is a person referred to as General Dempsey. You want to stop the BASTARDS who are MILKING your emails and your telephone conversations, and soon will be your SNAIL MAIL as well….then you must raise the elevation setting of your rifle sights a couple of notches. Get the experience now … will probably need such training ……very soon.

  30. oldsailor80

    I have read that MSSSSSSSSSSS. PELOSI has a FILTHY,SICK,AND OTHERWISE TWISTED MIND. This has xcome from people who have known this SLIMEY BITCH for many years. Her often foul, and deviate mouth, and otherwise abusive language (particulary when she is drunk) has caused many of her own alleged friends concern. You only need to look into her face when she is speaking and you will clearly see the irrational grimaces upon her face,which attest to her demented state.

  31. I agree Oldsailor…I agree

  32. oldsailor80

    ……… addition MSSSSSSSSSSSSS.PELOSI is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR HERSELF. She is one of the OVEREDUCATED WORD TWISTERS. Unfortunately her addled mental state,is probably resultant of all the DRUGS she ingested during her college years,and is now showing up ….BIG TIME! She was in college with MSSSSSSS.Jane Fonda, and people like MMSSSSSSSSSSS. EINSTEIN as well. So I guess this tells the DIRECTION that sort of association
    takes…….sdown. goes

  33. oldsailor80


  34. Oldsailor,

    Reading your post at 1:54……………
    ” Since when should an UNSKILLED laborer be paid $27.00 an hour to shove a color coded bolt into a color coded hole and put a color cooded nut on it and tighten it with a color coded impact wrench.”

    Remember the old joke…”How many so and so’s (fill in the blank) does it take to screw in a light bulb?” Some enterprising soul could write a joke book about stupid Americans and make a gazillion.

  35. oldsailor80

    ……There are verbal accounts of her drinking while flying either to California,or visa vis,written by air crew members who she has tried to COME ON TO while in flight. There are people who are now out of the Air Force had her try to come on to them. One of these people wrote a little article for a scandal sheet…which implied that she loves ….IT ALL……DEVIATED or otherwise! It would appear that this sort of behavior is all that she can think about. She is a PI## poor leader.

  36. oldsailor80

    First I hope you are doing well……..
    Regarding the stupid Americans,I would ask to disagree. First of all America has been home to some of the most intelligent,and enterprising people on earth. Yes many of them came to America decades ago,and others more recently. The one thing they all wanted was FREEDOM. They were more often than not WELL EDUCATED people,and America soon was enjoying the fruits of these peoples labors. A few of the people who came to America went on to become founders of some of our most respected industries. Just my own thoughts Se nothing angry. Love to talk with you!

  37. oldsailor80

    ………….but on the other hand……….I have to think that we have an ever expanding youthful crowd who are being led to believe that (as I have said so many times in the past) UP is DOWN,and worse yet the youngsters do NOT seem to EVEN display a propensity to question the logic of what they either hear or are being taught. Yet there are those youth who do a 180 degree about face when they are in a group and among their peers. But again I do agree that it is NOT ALL OF OUR youth.

  38. oldsailor80

    I believe that one of life’s most valuable lessons is that NO MATTER the CIRCUMSTANCES it is imperative that our children LEARN TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES, and react accordingly. Right ,wrong,or indifferent learning for yourself is the best teacher.

  39. oldsailor80

    BYE BYE time for other pursuits.

  40. June 20, 2013

    “Rabid Leftists Attack Congressman Jeff Duncan For Daring To Address Obama ID Fraud”

  41. citizenwells

    “I am convinced that if squirrels had opposable thumbs, that based on their superior intellect, they would be overqualified to be journalists in the mainstream media”…Citizen Wells

  42. Oldsailor,

    I think I was misunderstood. Maybe I should have clarified that someone could write a joke book about stupid American LIBERALS! So sorry. I am in complete agreement with you …..

    ” First of all America has been home to some of the most intelligent,and enterprising people on earth. Yes many of them came to America decades ago,and others more recently. The one thing they all wanted was FREEDOM.”

    You are so right! But more and more, this is not the country we once knew and loved. The stupid people seem to be in charge of our government, media and educational institutions. They seem to be bent on leading us on a suicide mission.

    I find it odd, that at one time we used to make fun of a certain group, (thus the joke I referred to), yet today, this group is one of the most pro American, pro freedom, and in general, very well educated.

  43. Gordo,

    Rachel Maddow! Now Russia Today? Sorry, never heard of Dave Pakman…………..but someyhing really got under their skin. They are almost wild eyed. Only good can come from this. More people will be exposed to the truth. They have moved beyond “ignoring” and in to “ridicule”. And this doesn’t always turn out as expected. Many people rebel against being told what to think……thank God!

  44. Whistleblower

    How many Public Officials attended drug/sex parties at the Purple Hotel?

  45. In my opinion,

    I think the passing of the immigration bill by Republicans will be the straw that breaks the camels back, thus finally splitting the Republican party. Which may not be such a bad thing afterall. I’m tired of RINO’s.

  46. Just to clarify,

    The second to last straw to that weight, will be the RINO’s that attack Republicans that want Obama investigated “After” the criminal proof of his B.C. is finally exposed.

    Once that is exposed, and many RINO’s go on Obama’s defense, then shove the immigration bill, that will be it for them. It will happen in that order. B.C. first, immigration next.

  47. Hey Whistleblower…..reference those DC/Chicago sex parties…


    But No One Really Cares…


  48. I have a feeling that this rather sudden hinting at stopping/slowing down the stimulus by Bernanke that is causing the Market dive today is for the purpose of the ’14 elections. Obama is desperate to gain the House so he has absolutely no opposition. So get the people panicking about monetary survival to which he can send out the chorus of “don’t worry, we’ll (gov.) will protect you”. Bernanke is bailing out because he doesn’t want to be there when it hits bottom. Even though this is all on the back of Obama’s spending/wasting policies and punishing the job creators, etc., it doesn’t matter when people are in a panic and desperate…only promises of support in order to get more on the dole and then voting for the great social welfare scheme will appear to them like the only help to count on. If Obama gets his absolute control then they’ll come after all savings, bank accounts, profits, and the Obama thug groups will be given more power over private property while they break laws and are allowed to by the corrupt Holder DOJ ,etc. We’re already seeing the beginnings of this with the unruly flash mobs, beatings, occupying private yards of CEOs or political conservatives with no consequences. Even if people on fixed income begin to get higher interest, finally, that benefit will be taken through other gov. policies that even punish that kind of “profit”. They’ll be counting job gains that will include all those now having to accept part time work with no benefits….as something good. The maniacs have taken over the asylum with the help of the fourth estate. At least it’s one possible scenario with this regime.

  49. William….I SECOND THAT !
    “Which may not be such a bad thing afterall. I’m tired of RINO’s”.

  50. Good logic OBSERVER…good logic

  51. RMinNC,

    That Glenn Beck Video should be sent to John McCain and camp. He met with one of the Rebel Generals while there if my memory is correct. I don’t know his name, but wouldn’t it be icing on the cake if this one in the video is the same one. Either way, its a case which stands on its own of reasons we should not be in Syria.

    Additional, I was against the U.S. intervening with Russia’s invasion of Georgia. Russia deal’s with muslim radicals and terrorists very differently than the U.S. They have a ZERO tolerance policy. I also like their Immigration laws.

    I recently watched a Russian Documentary on their Prisons, it is something we need here. I have no problem treating violent criminals the way Russia does in prisons. It was the Black Dolphin prison, and NO ONE has ever escaped. In fact, they brag about the only way to escape, death. Anyone released after serving time, never wants to return a second time.

  52. SueQ….It’s like Thomas Wolfe said, “You can’t go home”……..

    Home after you leave it is not the same as when you return…even if it’s only in your mind…..Thats too bad to because some of my fondest memories lay in the childhood past…..

  53. William…good afternoon…I always enjoy your post…its kinda like the way I think…
    I agree with everything you say…John McCain is far past any usefullness to this country.His actions are almost as bad as Obama’s….I wonder which side he is really on.

    You said, “Russia deal’s with Muslim radicals and terrorists very differently than the U.S. They have a ZERO tolerance policy. I also like their Immigration laws.”…AMEN Brother, AMEN…..When you become a CRIMINAL, 9as far as Im concerned) you have NO RIGHTS until you have serves your sentence and met your obligation to your punishment.

    We will one day have to take a real hard look at how we now coddle criminal inmates…I’m like you, I think the Russians have the right approach to that problem. ZERO tolerance is the answer.

  54. June 20, 2013

    “Team Arpaio: We Have Two 1961 Hawaii Birth Certificates That List Negro Not African”

  55. Obama Lied, Top Secret Rules Allow NSA To Collect U.S. Domestic Data Without A Warrant

    “You can bet your last dollar the lapdog media won’t call him on this”.

    Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information “inadvertently” collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

    The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target “non-US persons” under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

    The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

    The procedures cover only part of the NSA’s surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

    The Fisa court’s oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

    The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

    However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

    • Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

    • Retain and make use of “inadvertently acquired” domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

    • Preserve “foreign intelligence information” contained within attorney-client communications;

    • Access the content of communications gathered from “U.S. based machine[s]” or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

    The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans’ call or email information without warrants.

    The documents also show that discretion as to who is actually targeted under the NSA’s foreign surveillance powers lies directly with its own analysts, without recourse to courts or superiors – though a percentage of targeting decisions are reviewed by internal audit teams on a regular basis.

    Keep reading…

  56. A brief thought,

    The Afghan Taliban/Al-qaeda want to trade 1 U.S. Soldier for 5 of their top picks of Terrorist from Gitmo. Obama and the Liberal Socialist want to have discussions and negotiate with the Taliban/Al-qaeda. Correct?

    Here would be my terms. You can keep John Kerry while he is there negotiating with you and return the U.S. Military Hero, and we will pull out as a bonus. To add to that bonus, we will send you Eric Holder for all other U.S. soldiers held and with the promise no U.S. soldiers will be harm or attacked during the pull out phase.

    Fair negotiating to me…. They will gain two criminals that are capable of destroying a government and we gain to Hero’s. Its a win-win.

  57. Air Force Brat!

    I dunno, William, if we sent Lurch over there, we’d probably have to send Ter-AAAAAY-za too. How about we just ship all of Hollywood there in Lurch’s place? All those superior intellects, don’t ya know . . . 😉

  58. Air Force Brat!

    RMinNC and WIlliam — I seem to remember reading somewhere that (at least in times past), when someone committed a capital crime in Russia, they were given ONE attempt at an appeal; and that if the appeal was unsuccessful, in 30 days the criminal was executed by firing squad. Do either of you know if that’s correct? And if so, do the Russians still have that system in place?

    Sure beats having a bunch of murderous pigs being fed, housed, given free medical care, and having every need attended to, for the 20+ years it takes to go through the appeals process here.

  59. Air Force Brat!

    Clicked “Submit” too soon. Meant to add at the very end of the above post, “. . . and of course it’s all at the taxpayers’ expense”.

  60. AFB,

    That was under the USSR rules, but from my understanding that has changed. They are given more time to appeal. I did see the old USSR way of handling such criminals convicted to death and was fairly horrible. They don’t put many to death anymore for crimes. At the Black Dolphin prison they had a serial murderer which was also a cannibal, and serving life.

    Still today, they are given bread and soup, no tv, no law library, no internet, ect. even for the lowest of crimes. You don’t want to repeat your crime.

  61. Let me rephrase that,

    One was a convicted murderer, whom then cut up the body, ate it, then gave some of the portions to his friend and said it was something else, so they would serve it to their family and kids to help get rid of it. He is serving life. Another was a murderer and rapist whom had killed several, he too is serving life.

    I ran the two together, but were separate people in the documentary. If you have seen it, you need to. It’s about the “Black Dolphin” Russian Prison.

  62. Here is how you treat a criminal at the Black Dolphin… its a part of that documentary..

  63. Its also where they send pedophiles and how they are treated as well. Again, Russia is not Tolerant of such crap. It was a 1 hour documentary and well worth watching.

  64. An excellent message to their society of what happens when you commit such crimes.

  65. William,

    I am perplexed. Russia imprisons murderers, rapists and canibals……..all good. They have also outlawed gay parades and gay propaganda…all good too. They will not allow same sex couples from any country to adopt Russian babies. Good. Yet, it wasn’t long ago that the USSR imprisoned people for belief in Christ. What happened? Do you see my point, or did I not explain it well.

  66. Was there some kind of spiritual enlightenment that took place there?

  67. William and SueQ,
    I have seen several documentaries re. Russian prisons on NatGeo. They don’t coddle criminals, that’s for sure, and that is good, but the crux of the matter is – what do they consider a crime? They also have political dissidents in prison, and probably still do incarcerate Christians and others for their religious beliefs, if the Russian government considers them a threat. Is that what want here? We need to think twice about what we wish for, because it could happen to some of us in this country.

  68. June 20, 2013

    “New Whistleblower: Financial Aid Given To Obama As Foreign Student With Indonesian Citizenship”

    “Press Release: Law Offices of Dr. Orly Taitz;

    A whistle-blower from Higher Education Services Corporation in Albany New York came forward and advised Attorney Orly Taitz that she personally reviewed Barack Obama’s financial aid information, which stated that financial aid was given to Obama as foreign student and as a citizen of Indonesia.”
    “FLASHBACK: Obama’s Indonesian Stepsister Dies: Obama Referred As Adopted/Foster Brother”

    details here:

    continue reading here:

  69. Good morning all,

    This is such a good article at American Thinker…

    Why Liberals Kill

  70. citizenwells

    Good morning SueQ, et al.

  71. Gordo,

    I had forgotten about Lia, Obama’s stepsister. Thanks for the refresh in memory. Judging by the article………….she might have been Breitbarted. Who in the world is “Gelf”?

  72. Good morning all……


    Does anyone think Mexico would treat them in such a generous way?

  73. bob strauss

    RMinNC | June 21, 2013 at 9:11 am |

    Good morning all……

    RMinNC, I listened to this on the radio yesterday, and I was thinking, this plan to waive penalties for these various frauds, would excuse many crimes the usurper is guilty of committing.

    Maybe this immigration bill, being debated, is designed to excuse the crimes of the usurper, and the democrats, and this phony government they’ve created out of fraud.


    Four Star Admiral Is Claiming Obama Conspired With America’s Enemies To Stage Benghazi (THIS IS CALLED TREASON)….anyone remember Arron Burr and West point?

    It’s even worse than we previously thought.

    A retired four-star admiral is now claiming that Barack Obama intentionally conspired with America’s enemies to stage a bogus attack and the kidnapping of an American ambassador so he could “negotiate” the release of a “hostage” and bolster his mediocre approval ratings just prior to the election! (this is exactly what some of us who post here have been saying for the past 9 months)

    The Washington Examiner, quoting retired Four-Star Admiral James Lyons, writes: “the attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi… was the result of a bungled abduction attempt…. the first stage of an international prisoner exchange… that would have ensured the release of Omar Abdel Rahman, the ‘Blind Sheik’…”

    But something went horribly wrong with Obama’s “October Surprise.” Although the Obama Administration intentionally gutted security at the consulate prior to the staged kidnapping, former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty disobeyed direct orders to stand down, saved American lives, single-handedly killed scores of attackers…and the attackers, believing that Obama had betrayed them, tortured Ambassador Chris Stevens and dragged his body through the streets.

    Some will say that Admiral Lyons’ accusation is not a smoking gun. We agree; that’s exactly why Congress must investigate Benghazi-gate.

    Moreover, we firmly believe the problem with Admiral Lyons’ assertion is that he is only scratching the surface; the full and complete truth may be much, much worse.

    Benghazi-gate is not about a bogus YouTube video series of lies. It’s not about the Obama Administration’s foreign policy ineptitude. We are dealing with something much more sinister… something potentially treasonous ( something POTENTIALLY TREASONOUS,… my ass, lets call a spade a spade…it was TREASON )… and the following questions, posed in an article in The New American, go to the heart of the matter:

    1. ”What was the Obama administration’s full role in helping violent Jihadists, self-styled al Qaeda terrorists, and Western-backed “revolutionaries” take over Libya in the first place? LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION: The government in Libya was a “thorn in the side’ of Obama and Clinton’s plans….Quadaffia had to go before “Araba Spring” would work….He was the weak link in the chain and the easiest to take down….with the fall of that “stable” leader, it was only a matter of time before Obama and Clinton ( the socialist/marxist) had their eyes set on another country namely Egypt.

    2. Did that half-baked scheme to arm Jihadist leaders, who… had previously fought U.S. troops in Iraq, contribute to the attack, as countless experts and officials have suggested? ANSWER: Of course it did. When you take them “man’s dollar” you do the man’s bidding. Those radicals in Libya were armed and paid with money from the United States. They were instructed to do the work ask for by Obama and Clinton.

    3. What was actually going on at the compound in Benghazi, which, as the report states, was never a “consulate” despite establishment media claims? THIS IS A NO BRAINER: They were running guns taken from Quadaffia after Libya fell into the radical Islamic factions in Syria, which Clinton and Obama had stirred up to revolt.

    4. Was Ambassador Stevens recruiting and arming Jihadists and terrorists to wage war on the Syrian regime after what Obama called the “success” in Libya, as a growing body of credible evidence suggests? SEE THE ABOVE

    5. Why did the administration claim for so long that the attack was just a “protest” over a YouTube video gone awry, even when it knew definitively that was not the case? THIS IS A SIMPLE ONE; They were only looking for a way to cover their tracks. When things go astray, Obama starts looking for scapegoats…He thought the American people would buy the “outrageous video thing. They didn’t it and Susan Rice got her tit in a ringer over it…so did Obama.

    6. Was the lack of security at the compound a political ploy to conceal the extent of the lawlessness and utter chaos left in the wake of Obama’s unconstitutional “regime change” war on Libya, as even members of Congress have alleged?” NO…the lack of security at the compound was to make it easier to kidnap Stevens…who may or may not have been privy to the plan. What is that old saying, “the best laid plans of mice and men oft go astray”….well thats exactly what happened her….. if Glen Douhety and Tyrone Woods had done what they were ordered to do….the plan would have succeeded….but they didn’t. They were not part of the planning, so they rightfully felt obligated to save the Ambassador….in return, the radical Islamic extremist thought they had been betrayed and killed Stevens in return….it was at this point that Obama and Clinton wet their pants….this was not supposed to have gone down like this….a deal was a deal and Obama thought he would come out of this treasonous act smelling like a rose and the world calling him “again” a hero.

    It’s clear. Benghazi-Gate is only a small piece of a much larger operation, an attempt to conceal what The New American calls “the Obama administration’s full role in helping violent Jihadists and self-styled al Qaeda terrorists.”…NOW BY MY GOD…IF THAT ISN’T TREASON…WOULD SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS?

    Prior to the election Barack Obama continually told us that “Osama bin-Laden is dead and GM is alive”; but the sad truth is that Osama bin-Laden’s organization is alive and well, and the Obama Regime may be giving aid and comfort to this terrorist network.

    And prior to the election, Fox News’ Geraldo Rivera pontificated that Republicans shouldn’t “politicize” Benghazi-gate. Swaggering onto the set of Fox and Friends, Rivera bloviated: “I think we have to stop this politicizing.” And Rivera issued the following veiled warning to Republicans: “Do we want to try and influence the election with a tragedy that happened in North Africa?”

    Ironic, isn’t it? Barack Obama played politics with the lives of Americans; like Rivera, the media covered Obama’s rear and threatened to accuse anyone and everyone who mentioned it of “playing politics.”

    Weak-willed Republicans apparently took Rivera’s threat to heart as Rivera also said that Republican Senators John Barrasso, James Inhofe, and Bob Corker, who all sit on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, “all agree that the supercharged atmosphere around the story — prudence dictates that these hearings be postponed until” after the election.

    Well, the election has come and gone. Congress now has no excuse. The American people needed the truth before the election; but now that Obama is back in the White House, real conservatives must demand answers.

    The American people deserve to have those questions answered; and moreover, the American people deserve justice.

    I have taken the liberty to add a few comments throughout this article…I’m sure those who know me will recognize my comments without instructions….


  75. The top 9,486 ways Jay Carney won’t answer your questions (how he lies)

    Jay Carney doesn’t have an answer for that. He hasn’t discussed that subject with the president. He will refer you to the Department of [insert agency here]. He refuses to speculate on that. He’ll have to get back to you.

    But he appreciates the question.

    Linked from Drudge:

  76. Please excuse my typos and dropped letters…its early in the morning here in NC….and I’ve just had one cup of joe/ St Brendon’s of course !.

  77. BOB STRAUSS….you said, “RMinNC, I listened to this on the radio yesterday, and I was thinking, this plan to waive penalties for these various frauds, would excuse many crimes the usurper is guilty of committing”

    haha …as Pelosi would smilingly say to us, ” I guess we will have to read the bill before we know whats in it”………all 37,000 pages…lol

  78. Irish Bishop Blasts Obama for His Outrageous Attack on Catholic Schools

    Barack Obama told a group of Irish kids this week that Catholic schools “encourage division and discourage cooperation.”

    Auxiliary Bishop Donal McKeown of Down and Connor in Northern Ireland blasted Barack Obama for his attacks on Catholic schools. McKeown accused Obama of a “hackneyed” analysis of the region’s political situation.
    The Catholic Register reported:

    A bishop in Northern Ireland accused President Barack Obama of a “hackneyed” analysis of the political situation in the region.

    Auxiliary Bishop Donal McKeown of Down and Connor said some parts of the president’s June 17 speech in Belfast, Northern Ireland, echoed “the Protestant/Catholic caricature that has actually receded into the background in Northern Ireland.”

    Obama was in Northern Ireland June 17-18 with leaders of the Group of Eight nations for a summit aimed at tackling controversial issues including the civil war in Syria and the global financial crisis.

    Before the summit got underway, however, Obama addressed 2,000 young people and community leaders at Waterfront Hall and called for a renewed focus on reconciliation, 15 years after the Good Friday peace agreement.

    Looking to the future, the president said, “if towns remain divided — if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden — that too encourages division and discourages cooperation.”

    Bishop McKeown said the 1998 accord “was clear that the core problem in Northern Ireland was a political one. … It is significant that religion did not appear in the agreement on what is primarily a political problem.”

    He said that “it is the Catholic schools in Northern Ireland that are now actually among the most racially and linguistically mixed. And, while so many young people are very open to new friendships and opportunities, it needs to be stated that it is adults outside schools who promote mistrust for their own political and personal agendas.”

    “A simplistic denominational vocabulary fails to do justice to where we are,” added Bishop McKeown, who chairs the Northern Ireland Commission for Catholic Education.

    “We all welcome the president’s presence,” the bishop said, “but would encourage his speechwriters to support a less hackneyed analysis of our situation and prospects.”

  79. RMinNC (9:54 AM)
    ……this was not supposed to have gone down like this….a deal was a deal and Obama thought he would come out of this treasonous act smelling like a rose and the world calling him “again” a hero.
    Great post! No wonder none of us knows what he was doing after 5 PM, 9/11/12! He was in hiding in their living quarters and apparently unavailable. At least no one seems to be able to find out. That’s what naughty kids do when they know “the game is up” – run and hide from mom and/or dad.

  80. Air Force Brat!

    Cabby — rest assured, I didn’t say I wished for or wanted us to use the old Soviet system. What I said was that I regarded how they dealt with CAPITAL criminals — i.e., clearly guilty murderers who are totally without remorse or repentance — to be superior to the way the U.S. currently feeds, houses, and caters to them for 20+ years of appeal after appeal after appeal.

  81. A Libyan weapons dealer from a group hired to provide security to the U.S. mission in Benghazi told Reuters he has helped ship weapons from Benghazi to the rebels fighting in Syria.

    Information may help explain deadly Benghazi attack

    Paul asked Clinton: “Is the U. S. involved with any procuring of weapons, transfer of weapons, buying, selling, anyhow transferring weapons to Turkey out of Libya?

    “To Turkey?” Clinton asked. “I will have to take that question for the record. Nobody has ever raised that with me.”

    Continued Paul: “It’s been in news reports that ships have been leaving from Libya and that may have weapons, and what I’d like to know is the annex that was close by, were they involved with procuring, buying, selling, obtaining weapons, and were any of these weapons being transferred to other countries, any countries, Turkey included?”

    Clinton replied, “Well, senator, you’ll have to direct that question to the agency that ran the annex. I will see what information is available.”

    “You’re saying you don’t know?” asked Paul.

    “I do not know,” Clinton said. “I don’t have any information on that.”


  82. Re. my above post, the lying by former SOS Clinton is SO characteristic of her for years……
    How are we ever going to get the mess in government cleaned out when the Chicago thugs are so deeply entrenched in all areas of this administration?
    When the chief law enforcement officer, Eric Holder, cannot tell the truth, we are in deep trouble. Nobody remembers, they can’t talk because of a “pending investigation”, etc…..and so it goes perpetually.

  83. Air Force Brat! | June 21, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    Cabby — rest assured, I didn’t say I wished for or wanted us to use the old Soviet system. What I said was that I regarded how they dealt with CAPITAL criminals — i.e., clearly guilty murderers who are totally without remorse or repentance — to be superior to the way the U.S. currently feeds, houses, and caters to them for 20+ years of appeal after appeal after appeal.
    Hi AFB, thanks for your comment! I never for a minute thought that your position was any different than what you said above. My post was meant as a caution less someone less informed would overlook the ugly side of the Soviet system of justice.

  84. Cabby,

    Regarding your post at 11:41, please refer to mine at at 9:56. This regime has evasive answers to everything……..right down to an art form. All inclusive……..Carney, Clinton, Mueller, Clapper, Shulman and especially Holder and OBAMA! Others also………too many to name.

    Unless our side develops more courage, then we’re screwed.

  85. oldsailor80

    I would like to expand upon your comment a little,to which I would add “Do not expect the American young people to do anything either” because the greater number of them think Soetoro is really C-O-O-l…….and they don’t mind letting everyone know how they feel either. Sadly the prevailing attitude among many of the recent college grads,seems to be one of great approval of Soetoro, in spite of his quite obvious disdain for this country,and his inability to say anything truthful.

  86. oldsailor80

    ………..America will cease to exist as the country we all love, because it will be the OVEREDUCATED SNOT NOSED CHILD PRODIGIES whose general STUPIDITY,and LACK OF LIFE’S experience,compounded by the black do nothing welfare recipients, and the ILLEGAL PARASITES from South of the border and the middle East who have began to infiltrate,our government ,or have been hired by the usurper which collectively will end our beloved America. Instead you will see buildings in ruin,streets littered with trash,and ongoing regional gang wars. Therein lies the UTOPIA thhat so many of our child know it alls want to live.

  87. oldsailor80

    ……………even many so called “conservatives” who in reality smile as they TWIST their words, and generally behave as LIBERALS behind the backs of true conservatives. These are the treacherous BASTARDS who hide among us, posing as friends and fellow patriots,while at the same time SNEAKING about behind everyone’s back, and doing everything he/she can to undermine everything the patriots do. Watch out for them because they DO EXIST, and are in very close proximity to each of us

  88. oldsailor80

    ………….and they are in the highest levels of our military as well. The alleged government is saturated with them,and our neighborhoods are slowly being turned into middle east sort of enclaves,which soon will loudly blast the sound of the call to prayer 5 times every day, and like air raid sirens the sound will penetrate the walls of your homes,and most PRIVATE areas. Dearborn Michigan is fast becoming such an enclave. Property values in the once prestigous Huntington Hills area has radically dropped and once beautiful homes are now very obviously in need of repairs….which they will not receive. Is this a UTOPIA or is it an area of DETERIORATION?

  89. oldsailor80

    …….The family of Henry Ford once lived in Huntington Hills. Now it has become an Islamic Muslim enclave. Sterling Heights is also fast deteriorating. This was until a few years ago a beautifully maintained upper middle class area. Now it is saturated with more of the same Muslims. Now we know why Detroit itself is slowly sinking into a pile of rubble. Chrysler Jefferson plant in Hamtramk is slated to close in in 2014.

  90. oldsailor80

    ……a very large number of businesses have either ALREADY closed up or are in the process of closing up. No market no business…..simple math! All that remains is boarded up,and deteriorating buildings. In all probability the deterioration will eventually surround the metropolitan areas,and it to will crumble into a pile of debris.

  91. oldsailor80

    ……when such disaster occurs the areas will then look just like the places where all the Muslims came from….this should make them feel RIGHT AT HOME.

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