Edward Snowden update, June 18, 2013, US government not able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me, Mainstream media ignores largest program of suspicion less surveillance in human history

Edward Snowden update, June 18, 2013, US government not able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me, Mainstream media ignores largest program of suspicion less surveillance in human history

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed,
If you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly,
You may come to the moment when you will have to fight
with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.”…Winston Churchill

“If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world but I am sure we would be getting reports from hell before breakfast.”… William Tecumseh Sherman

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed
–if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into
history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the
Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past.”…George Orwell, “1984″

From the Canberra Times June 18, 2013.

“US government can’t stop the truth: Ed Snowden”

“NSA leaker Edward Snowden defended his disclosure of top-secret US spying programs in an online chat on Monday with The Guardian and attacked US officials for calling him a traitor.

“The US government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me,” he said. He added the government “immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home,” by labelling him a traitor, and indicated he would not return to the US voluntarily.

Congressional leaders have called Mr Snowden a traitor for revealing once-secret surveillance programs two weeks ago in the Guardian and The Washington Post. The National Security Agency programs collect records of millions of Americans’ telephone calls and Internet usage as a counterterror tool.

The disclosures revealed the scope of the collections, which surprised many Americans and have sparked debate about how much privacy the government can take away in the name of national security.

“It would be foolish to volunteer yourself to” possible arrest and criminal charges “if you can do more good outside of prison than in it,” he said.
Mr Snowden dismissed being called a traitor by former Vice President Dick Cheney, who made the allegations in an interview this week on Fox News Sunday. Mr Cheney was echoing the comments of both Democrats and Republican leadership on Capitol Hill, including Senate Intelligence committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein.

“Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honour you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein … the better off we all are,” Mr Snowden said.”

“In answer to the question of whether he fled to Hong Kong because he was spying for China, Mr Snowden wrote, “Ask yourself: if I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn’t I have flown directly into Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now.”
He added later, “I have had no contact with the Chinese government.”

Mr Snowden dismissed the US government’s claims that the NSA surveillance programs had helped thwart dozens of terrorist attacks in more than 20 countries, including the 2009 al-Qaeda plot by Afghan American Najibullah Zazi to blow up New York subways.

“Journalists should ask a specific question: … how many terrorist attacks were prevented SOLELY by information derived from this suspicionless surveillance that could not be gained via any other source? Then ask how many individual communications were ingested to acheive (sic) that, and ask yourself if it was worth it.””

“Mr Snowden explained his claim that from his desk, he could “wiretap” any phone call or email — a claim top intelligence officials have denied. “If an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc. analyst has access to query raw SIGINT (signals intelligence) databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want,” he wrote in the answer posted on the Guardian site. “Phone number, email, user id, cell phone handset id (IMEI), and so on — it’s all the same.”

The NSA did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment. But Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has said that the kind of data that can be accessed and who can access it is severely limited.”

“In one of his final replies, Mr Snowden attacked the “mainstream media” for its coverage, saying it “now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicion-less surveillance in human history.”

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Thus far, I am inclined to believe Mr. Snowden.

12 responses to “Edward Snowden update, June 18, 2013, US government not able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me, Mainstream media ignores largest program of suspicion less surveillance in human history

  1. CitizenWells,
    As usual, there is so much disinformation that it’s hard to know what to believe. I am still thinking about Mr. Snowden, but have seen nothing yet that deserves the term “traitor”, whistleblower is a better descriptor. What worries me most is that both democrats and republicans have called this person a traitor, when all the information about spying was already suggested by internet web searches as possible. What that implies, is the information that he could expose is dangerous to both political parties. The media association with the democrats is undeniable at this point, the will not ask the hard questions and they will run from this story. That implies that the media will be damaged by the knowledge he could release.

    In short, the most likely thing is that Mr. Snowden has information he HASN’T released that is very damaging to both political parties and the media. I doubt we will ever see this information. Mr. Snowden will make a deal or end up “disappeared”.


  2. citizenwells

    “A Party member lives from birth to death under the eye of the Thought Police. Even when he is alone he can never be sure that he is alone. Wherever he may be, asleep or awake, working or resting, in his bath or in bed, he can be inspected without warning and without knowing that he is being inspected. Nothing that he does is indifferent. His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression of his face when he is alone, the words he mutters in sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body, are all jealously scrutinized. Not only any actual misdemeanour, but any eccentricity, however small, any change of habits, any nervous mannerism that could possibly be the symptom of an inner struggle, is certain to be detected. He has no freedom of choice in any direction whatever. On the other hand his actions are not regulated by law or by any clearly formulated code of behaviour. In Oceania there is no law. Thoughts and actions which, when detected, mean certain death are not formally forbidden, and the endless purges, arrests, tortures, imprisonments, and vaporizations are not inflicted as punishment for crimes which have actually been committed, but are merely the wiping-out of persons who might perhaps commit a crime at some time in the future.”…George Orwell, “1984”

  3. Beck, Bachmann, Rand Paul, Mike Lee & Ted Cruz to Headline “Audit the IRS Rally” Wednesday in Washington DC

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, June 17, 2013, 11:06 PM


    The Tea Party Patriots presents–
    Audit The IRS Rally June 19th Noon – US Capitol West Lawn

    Speakers Include:
    Glenn Beck, Senator Mike Lee, Rep. Michele Bachmann, Senator Ted Cruz, Senator Rand Paul, Jenny Beth Martin, Rep. Steve King, Rep. Dave Camp, Rep. Louie Gohmert, Rep. Jim Jordan, Rep. Tim Huelskamp, Rep. Jim Bridenstine, Rep. John Fleming, Rep. Tom Graves, Rep. Tom Price, Rep. Mike Kelly, Rep. Matt Salmon, Tea Party Leaders, Dana Loesch, Steve Bannon, Sonnie Johnson, Jim Hoft, Niger Innis and Andrew Marcus

    What: Audit the IRS Rally
    When: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 from Noon – 2pm
    Where: West Lawn of the US Capitol

    ** More details here.


    Ted Cruz , US Senate
    Mike Lee , US Senate (UT)
    Rand Paul , US Senate (KY)
    Michele Bachmann , US House (MN)
    Jim Bridenstine , US House (OK)
    Dave Camp , US House (MI)
    John Fleming , US House (LA)
    Louie Gohmert , US House (TX)
    Tom Graves , US House (GA)
    Tim Huelskamp , US House (KS)
    Jim Jordan , US House (OH)
    Mike Kelly , US House (PA)
    Steve King , US House (IA)
    Tom Price , US House (GA)
    Matt Salmon , US House (AZ)
    Justin Binik-Thomas , Individual, Included in Liberty Township Tea Party Letter*
    Marion Bower , American Patriots Against Government Excess*
    George Brunemann, Jr. , Cincinnati Tea Party*
    Joe Dugan , Myrtle Beach Tea Party*
    Becky Gerritson , Wetumpka Tea Party*
    Kelly Horsley , Katy Tea Party Patriots*
    Darcy Kahrhoff , Katy Tea Party Patriots*
    Kevin Kookogey , Linchpins of Liberty*
    Sue Martinek , Coalition for Life of Iowa*
    Gerri McDaniel , Myrtle Beach Tea Party*
    Daniel Moore , Albequerque Tea Party*
    Rick Morlen , Albuquerque Tea Party*
    Austin R. Nimrocks , Alliance Defending Freedom*
    Larry Nordvig , Richmond Tea Party*
    Laura Van Overschelde , The Mississippi Tea Party*
    Katrina Pierson , Dallas Tea Party*
    Paul Simpson , Katy Tea Party Patriots*
    Mark West , Chatanooga Tea Party*
    Steven K. Bannon , Breitbart News
    Glenn Beck , The Glenn Beck Program
    Dan Bongino , 2012 Republican Nominee for US Senate (MD)
    Darla Dawald , Grassfire/Patriot Action Network
    Ken Hoagland , Restore America’s Voice
    Jim Hoft , The Gateway Pundit
    Niger Innis , CORE and TheTeaParty.net
    Sonnie Johnson , Breitbart News
    Phil Kerpen , American Commitment
    Andrew Langer , The Institute for Liberty
    Dana Loesch , The Dana Loesch Radio Show
    Lisa Miller , Tea Party Washington DC
    Seton Motley , Less Government
    Michael Needham , Heritage Action
    Lisa Mei Norton , Big Dawg Music Mafia, National Anthem Singer
    Jordan Sekulow , American Center for Law and Justice
    KCarl Smith , Frederick Douglass Republicans
    Rose Tennent , The War Room Radio Program
    Caleb Yee , Tea Party Students

    * Individuals or groups that were targeted by the IRS.

    Hope to see you there!

    * * * * * * *

  4. citizenwells


    “The IRS may have utilized surveillance data collected by the National Security Agency to harass political opponents of the Obama administration, including the tea party, charged NSA whistleblower William Binney in a radio interview.

    After working in the intelligence community for more than 30 years, Binney retired from the NSA in 2001. He co-founded a unit on automating NSA signals intelligence and served as technical leader for NSA intelligence in 2001. Binney is credited with helping to modernize the NSA’s worldwide eavesdropping network.

    Asked on Aaron Klein’s WABC radio show Sunday whether he believes data collected on millions of Americans was used by the government against political enemies, Binney replied in the affirmative.

    “That’s exactly the danger about letting the government have all this kind of information about its citizens,” the ex-NSA official stated.

    “For example, one of the [tea party] people testifying to Congress that was being harassed by the IRS said that the IRS, one of the questions the IRS asked them was what relationship do you have with this other person, and they gave a name. The real question that needs to be asked is how does the IRS know about that relationship?””


  5. So typical of the left’s constant waste to try and buy votes with others’ earnings:


    Hidden Camera: ‘Obama Phones’ Sold to Buy Drugs and Louis Vuittons (Video)

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 7:52 AM

    Your tax dollars at work…
    A hidden camera catches wireless company employees passing out ‘Obama phones’ to people who say they’ll SELL them for drugs, shoes, handbags and spending cash.

  6. bob strauss

    We’re making progress.

    Breaking: Congressman Jeff Duncan Calls For Investigation Into Obama Identity Fraud AUDIO HERE


  7. Good morning CW, et al…It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood…..won’t you be my neighbor….

    By the way, did you know that Mr. Rogers was once a Green Beret !!! Vietnam war soldier. Kinda hard to imagine that huh? Not only that, but he was a pretty brave one at that ! …

    Hats off for Mr. Rogers this morning !!!

    p.s. If the loyal opposition agrees not to talk about WMD’s today, I will too. Otherwise the debate continues.

  8. Judge Napolitano To FBI Director: They Cut As Many Holes in the Constitution As They Want …

    On today’s Studio B with Shepard Smith, Napolitano lambasted Mueller for testimony given before the House Judiciary Committee on Thursday on the government’s surveillance of Americans’ phone and email communications, alleging that he’s “still singing the tune that Constitutional liberties can be subordinate to the government’s need to [find the bad people].”

    “With that logic,” he continued, “they can cut as many holes into the Constitution as they want.”

    Not to mention the fact that he’s making an argument that’s inconsistent with the history of the FBI, the judge contended.

    “The FBI more so than any other law entity in the history of the United States, has shown deference to the Constitution

  9. citizenwells

    Thanks bob.

  10. Goon squad alert.

    In May, Sharyl Attkisson announced that her computers were compromised by the Obama administration.

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