Fathers Day June 16, 2013, Founding fathers, White House blog replaced fathers with founders, Founding Fathers contributed to the development of independence and nationhood.
“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation, for through this in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.”…George Washington
“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin”…Samuel Adams, 1776
“With those children [Winston] thought, that wretched woman must lead a life of terror. Another year, two years, and they would be watching her night and day for symptoms of unorthodoxy. Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party.”…George Orwell, “1984”
Happy Fathers Day.
It is my belief that the collective wisdom of a father and mother, like the collective wisdom of the founding fathers, is important in the raising of children, i.e., 2 heads are better than one.
From ConstitutionFacts.com.
“United States (U.S.) Founding Fathers
The U.S. Constitution brought together, in one remarkable document, ideas from many people and several existing documents, including the Articles of Confederation and Declaration of Independence. Those who made significant intellectual contributions to the Constitution are called the “Founding Fathers” of our country.
Many of the United States Founding Fathers were at the Constitutional Convention, where the Constitution was hammered out and ratified. George Washington, for example, presided over the Convention. James Madison, also present, wrote the document that formed the model for the Constitution.
Other U.S. Founding Fathers were not there, but made significant contributions in other ways. Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence, was serving as ambassador to France at the time of the Convention. He kept abreast of the proceedings in Philadelphia by carrying on correspondence with James Madison. John Adams, as ambassador to Great Britain, wrote “Defense of the Constitution of the Government of the United States of America.” Thomas Paine wrote the influential pamphlet “Common Sense,” which immeasurably influenced the philosophy reflected in the Declaration of Independence. One of the U.S. Founding Fathers, Patrick Henry, was initially opposed to the very idea of the Constitution! He wanted to keep the Articles of Confederation, the predecessor to the Constitution. However, when an agreement was made to add a “bill of rights” to the Constitution, Henry fought hard for its ratification.
The term “framers” is sometimes used to specify those who helped “craft” the Constitution. “Founding Fathers” often refers to people who contributed to the development of independence and nationhood. However, the notion of a “framer” or a “Founding Father” is not easily defined. For purposes of this website, “Founding Fathers” are individuals who had a significant impact on the Constitution either directly or indirectly. The following list is by no means complete, but it does identify people who played a large role in the development of the Constitution at this crucial time in American history.”
http://www.constitutionfacts.com/us-founding-fathers/
It came as no surprise to me when I recently read about the omission of “father” from the founding of this nation on the White House Blog.
From The Daily Caller June 13, 2013.
“Throughout United States history, the group of men who assembled in Philadelphia in 1787 to write the nation’s Constitution had been known as the “Founding Fathers,” a moniker used even on official government websites.
But the use of the “fathers” may have been a step too far for the Obama administration. In a Thursday post on the White House’s blog, Keith Donohue, the communications director for the National Historical Publications and Records Commission at the National Archives, announced that the papers of the “Founding Founders,” otherwise known as the Founding Fathers, are available online.
Charles C.W. Cooke, writing for National Review Online, pointed out the strange phrase, and sometime after 10 p.m. ET, the site was revised with the headline reading “Founding Fathers.”
It’s not clear whether the original headline was a typo or a brief effort to retcon some gender neutrality into early American history. Donohue did not reply to an inquiry on Twitter.
“What was the original intent behind the Constitution and other documents that helped shape the nation?” Donohue wrote in his blog post. “What did the Founders of our country have to say? Those questions persist in the political debates and discussions to this day, and fortunately, we have a tremendous archive left behind by those statesmen who built the government over 200 years ago.””
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I miss my dad.
Citizen WElls 
Dang CW, I miss my dad too!
From RMinNC, prior thread:
Iran to send 4,000 troops to aid President Assad forces in Syria. US has 4500 troops on the Syrian/Jordanian border.
ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
Washington’s decision to arm Syria’s Sunni Muslim (associated with Al Queada) rebels has plunged America into the great Sunni-Shia conflict of the Islamic Middle East, entering a struggle that now dwarfs the Arab revolutions which overthrew dictatorships across the region.
For the first time, all of America’s ‘friends’ in the region are Sunni Muslims and all of its enemies are Shiites. Breaking all President Barack Obama’s rules of disengagement, the US is now fully engaged on the side of armed groups which include the most extreme Sunni Islamist movements in the Middle East.
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If Obama and those stupid politicians in Washington get America involved in the Syrian problem, it WILL NOT be the push over they had in Egypt, or Lybia, or the Sudan, or Ethopia, or any where that they have flexed their strong arm.
The United States is running out of good fresh troops to commit to any war, thanks to their “arm–chair generals and their playboy campaigner-in-chief”.
.WE HAVE NO BUSINESS GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS CIVIL WAR THAT OBAMA STARTED IN SYRIA….PERIOD. We should have learned a lesson from Afghanistan,… but apparently we didn’t. We have poured tons of money and men into that rat infested country and have nothing to show for it.
Now we are pulling out of Afghanistan just as we pulled out of Iraq…and both countries are no better off today than they were before we went in.
Then along came Hillery with her vision of a “socialist utopia in the Middle East”. Obama sure picked the right woman to be his SOS. They both have the same views, just different ways of getting there.
So down goes Egypt who has had a friendly relationship with the US since the assassination of Annwar Saddat, but that all went by the wayside. Now Egypt will send Al Queada associates to fight on the side of the “rebels” in Syria….
My, my, a little time time sure changes things….Bitter enemies suddenly become bed buddies so quickly in the Middle East…. if they ever were enemies begin with..
Then in Lybia, Qaudffia (sp) wasn’t exactly our friend, but he did maintain law and order in that country, now thats gone too. The “rebels” in that “free democracy” murdered the ambassador we had there and what does our govenment do? ….We send them more money….. .
But this time, it will be different…much different and MUCH HARDER. More AMERICAN lives will be.lost. Not only will we have Iran to contend with…we will have Iran’s friend RUSSIA to content with. We may even have Syria’s business partner CHINA to contend with…..does Obama really think he’s big enough to chew all this at one time?
I know he has a big mouth (he has proven that and over), but with this, I think his imagination is getting the better of him.
If he thinks he can do it…then he really is mentally unstable,… and so are the “play at generals” who are advise him.
The bottom line is: WE HAVE NO BUSINESS IN SYRIA OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Those damn people in that area of the world have been fighting each other for five thousand years……WHAT MAKES OBAMA THINK THEY WILL STOP FOR HIM…OR ANYONE ELSE?
America must get out of that region of the world, stay out of that region of the world, and concentrate on rebuilding our country that is going to the dogs more with each passing day.
We should have learned a history lesson from the RUSSIAN failure in Afghanistan in the 1980′s….but we didn’t learn a damn thing other than how to increase the national debt for our grandkids to pay.
Well, I’ll get off my soapbox for now………………. that’s my opinion for today. If you agree with my nion, gives me a thumbs up !!!
…..and I’m sticking too it..
RMINNC…….
While it is entirely within the realm of probability that NO COUNTRY will file ANY war crimes charges against Soetoro,it does remain a possibility that one of the countries could indeed arrest him outright on charges of MURDER. The war crimes charges would probably be secondary to any murder charges. As is the case with Pakistan,murder is much easier to prove against Soetoro,for which he could receive a death penalty. But gut instinct tells me that even though war crimes were comitted by Soetoroit is ver4y probable that he will never be charged with war crimes
Happy Fathers Day to all the Dads out there.
There is much argument in the comment section at ORYR with Brian Reilly. On the Carl Gallups radio show last Friday, a caller (Tom) asked Gallups about Reilly’s statements regarding Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse”.
Comments at ORYR:
(some replies need to be ‘opened’)
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/sheriff-mack-obama-id-fraud-biggest-story.html#idc-container
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…..With regard to South Africa,……again it is far easier to prove MURDER charges against Soetoro,than war crimes. I have been praying that Soetoro would at least be CHARGED with war crimes. Certainly Libya would have a valid case. The big question is whether the Hague would even accept such a case against Soetoro. I believe that there are thousands opf people on earth,if not millions who would love to see him charged by the Hague.
bye bye all………God bless!
off topic………but important…….
Did anybody on CW watch the Mueller questionj and answer session? It quickly became obvious that Mueller is GROSSLY INCOMPETENT. Having such a person heading up the FBI is absolutely RIDICULOUS. Glad he is OUTBOUND. He doesn’t even know who the lead investigator was in the Boston bombing, among other equally valid issues. He comes across as a total NUMBSKULL.
BYE BYE AGAIN……..just had to get that out of my craw.
Happy Fathers Day!! If it were not for the good dads this country has had (and still does) we would be in a sorry shape.
I know this is old-fashioned, but God first made Man, then He made a helpmeet for him (out of his rib, I might add) and called her Woman. God ordained that the man is to be head of the household, to love and cherish his wife, and to care for her.
That divine order has absolutely nothing to do with one being better, smarter, or more capable than the other. It is just that in the end, there always has to be a leader, and that is what so many homes lack today.
End of sermon.
RNinNC (9:32 am)
America must get out of that region of the world, stay out of that region of the world, and concentrate on rebuilding our country that is going to the dogs more with each passing day.
We should have learned a history lesson from the RUSSIAN failure in Afghanistan in the 1980′s….but we didn’t learn a damn thing other than how to increase the national debt for our grandkids to pay.
Well, I’ll get off my soapbox for now………………. that’s my opinion for today. If you agree with my nion, gives me a thumbs up !!!
…..and I’m sticking too it..
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Not only giving you two thumbs up, but kudos and a pat on the back, as well!
Isn’t it something the way O learns last August about chemical weapons being used by the Assad government, then just now is using that as an “excuse” to further arm the rebels? What a bumbling i.d.i.o.t. Now, I’m with RM – we should never have been involved in the first place, but he should not be CIC any more than my pooch, Max.
It is hard telling where all of this is going to lead, but wherever it does, it will not be good. Actually I think that this stirring up of the Middle East is part of the plan to take down America. He is already decimating our military and involving us in engagements which are further bankrupting our country.
RMinNC: WE HAVE NO BUSINESS GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS CIVIL WAR THAT OBAMA STARTED IN SYRIA….PERIOD.
Couldn’t agree more. This Administration has done everything to bring this upon the world and people of Syria. We, as a nation, need to stop messing around in the middle east, it always has blow back. Americans do not need to die, and we don’t need to waste money fighting pointless wars against an enemy that we finance with our ‘oil dependency’. Had we listened to Sarah Palin, we would not be looking at yet another war, or worse yet another administration that doesn’t know how to fight or win a war. We need to mind our own business, put people back to work, and stop intruding where we don’t belong.
Pete
Soldier Who Read Conservative Books Now Faces Charges
By Todd Starnes
A member of the U.S. Army Band who said he was reprimanded for having anti-Obama bumper stickers on his personal car, serving Chick-fil-A sandwiches at a party and reading books written by conservative authors like Sean Hannity is now facing Article 15 charges – which cropped up shortly after he went public with his complaints.
The charges were handed down one day after Sommers told Fox News that he was facing discrimination and persecution because of his conservative political and religious beliefs.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/soldier-who-read-conservative-books-now-faces-charges.html
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Someone I know very well serves on their local draft board. This friend is concerned that fewer people will enlist in the Armed Forces, in part, due to this administration’s pro- gay and anti-religion policies. This shortage of military personnel could lead to reinstating the draft. And if the upcoming Supreme Court decision upholds equal protection in regard to gay marriage, it’s just a matter of time before someone brings suit that under the equal protection clause, women should be drafted. Consequently, equal protection could mean women will no longer have the option to serve in combat. They will be required to go into battle along with the men.
Your comments would be appreciated.
Jonah,
Having no inside information, I still have to agree 100% with your logical sequence re. the events that could take place to reinstate the draft. It is all a ghastly thought but within the realm of possibility, or should I say, probability, if things continue on as they are. I believe you are right on when it comes to the role that women will be required to play under such a scenario.
Happy Fathers’ Day.
For our Founders and in Honor of the Cradle of Liberty, almost.
seriously?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/06/15/Obama-Deploys-US-Marines-To-Syrian-Border
our Troops assisting rebel Islamists overthrowing another Head of State?
Did our Troops in Afghanistan get breakfast this morning?
RMinNC
Thoughtful and well written post…
I see your post making the argument of the Middle East having relatively little actual value to the U.S., and I essentially agree with that premise. I DO see the Middle East (and in particular Muslim philosophy), however, as a direct threat to the balance of the modern day, industrialized world.
As far as need is concerned, the West is, and has been more than capable of providing it’s own energy resources. Apart from that, there is nothing coming from that area of the world that fulfills any type of need for the U.S…
THANKS CW FOR THE REPOST…..at 9:32am
I apologize for the misspelled words and the dropped words….my keyboard is skipping letters some time…
and the wife and I were in a hurry to get off to church this am…
this should have read “opinion” instead of ” If you agree with my nion, gives me a thumbs up” !!!….sorry bout that
CABBYAZ…you said:
“we should never have been involved in the first place, but he should not be CIC any more than my pooch, Max.”
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I VOTE FOR MAX……MAX FOR PRESIDENT…HE HAS MY VOTE !!!
Happy Father’s Day everyone.
Glenn Beck Warns: Syrian Cannibalism A Sign Of Biblical End Times, We Are At Different DEFCON Level
http://www.fiscalconservatives.com/videos/0ENI9PR0WHI.html?a=1
JONAH…you stated:
“And if the upcoming Supreme Court decision upholds equal protection in regard to gay marriage, it’s just a matter of time before someone brings suit that under the equal protection clause, women should be drafted. Consequently, equal protection could mean women will no longer have the option to serve in combat. They will be required to go into battle along with the men”
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As a commanding officer at both company and battalion level, I have had women serve in my commands. I have never expected them to do the hard duties that a male soldier has to do. Because they are not physically able. Women are not built that way.
It would be a disaster to expect them to serve in combat units Combat requires a lot of hard mental and physical strength to survive. Sometimes a soldier has to go days without food, water, or sleep. During that period, he is expected to be able to attack, or repel an enemy when ordered.
The females I had in my unit could not, and at no fault of theirs, meet the tough requirements of a combat soldier. One big problem the female soldiers are facing today is sexual abuse. I would not tolerate that in my units, but it seems to be rampant in today’s army. That’s what you can expect when you co-mingle them in a barracks.
Combat is no place for a woman. I know some armies let them serve in those kind of units, but personally, I would expect them to meet the same requirements of a male soldier in combat, but they are not built that way.
Now for the second part of your statement. Gays are a different subject. I am from the old school of soldering. There is no room for a homosexual in my units. I say this because once they are out in the open, their goal is to push their perverted sexual pleasures off on soldiers that are not homosexual. This creates all kinds of problems for a commander. In the end, the commander is required to comply with directives from “higher headquarters” that may be contrary to his belief system.
But the most damage is done against the individual soldier’s in the unit that do not think a homosexuals should be assigned as his “foxhole buddy”. I respect that soldiers right to associate only with soldiers who have the same opinion on sex.
The worse thing a soldier could encounter is for him to be stright and be teamed up with a homosexual who will always be “trying to get into his pants”….no soldier should have to be placed in a position like that.
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But in today’s army, thats exactly what is happening.
What I have just said is the opinion of one old soldier who has been a Private, a Sergeant, a Captain, Major, and a Lt. Col. In all the ranks I have held in my time in the army, I have never lost sight of the fact that “it’s the dog-faced soldier who wins or loses the wars”, not the politicians or the arm chair generals sitting behind some desk thousands of miles away.
And when you degrade the dog-faced soldier to the point that “his feelings do not count”….then you will loses your war… You can bet on that..
Bottom line is: Our army would be better with a non-tolerance policy for gays…and only a supporting role for women. And a draft that requires every man to serve…It’s his country as well as mine or yours. Why should I spill my blood when a coward does not want to stand up for his country?
This above is just the opinion of an old man who has been there, and lived to come back and talk about it. Sorry Jonah if I got long winded about your subject, but gays in the military touches a sore spot with me.
And beside, this is my opinion…and I’m sticking too it !
Obama Demands Court Uphold His “Right” To Ignore Constitution
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-demands-court-uphold-his-right-to-ignore-constitution/
bob.
I got this message attempting to go to link:
“The website ahead contains malware”
Hey RAHM…HOWS YOUR GUN BAN WORKING OUT IN CHICAGO?
7 Dead, 30 Wounded in Weekend Violence:
Seven people were killed and at least 30 others were shot in violence that plagued Chicago over Father’s Day weekend.
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I have a suggestion Mr. Mayor…Give the honest citizens their guns back….at least some of the criminals would be getting killed instead of good citizens.
If I lived in Chicago….I would be asking for “combat pay”.
This site is under attack by the usurper, but I went there anyway, and copied and pasted the article here.
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Obama Demands Court Uphold His “Right” To Ignore Constitution
August 15, 2012 by Doug Book
Obama demands court uphold his “Right” to ignore Constitution
Obama’s Department of Justice is demanding a federal judge dismiss the injunction with which she sought to uphold the constitutional rights of the American people.
On May 16th, federal judge Kathleen Forrest granted a preliminary injunction to plaintiffs in a lawsuit filed against Barack Obama and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA), striking down those sections of the Act that provide the president the power to indefinitely detain American citizens without benefit of their 5th and 6th Amendment rights.
Under the terms of the Act, Obama had been given exclusive authority to direct members of the US military to arrest and imprison anyone he believed to have “substantially supported” al Qaeda, the Taliban, or “associated forces.” When pressed by plaintiff’s attorneys about the practical extent of this authority, government lawyers admitted “…the NDAA does give the president the power to lock up people like journalist Chris Hedges and peaceful activists,” admitting that “…even war correspondents could be locked up indefinitely under the NDAA.”
And when asked by the judge what it meant to be an “associated force”, Obama’s lawyers “…claimed the right to refrain from offering any clear definition of [the] term, or clear boundaries of the president’s power under [the] law.” In short, it is the federal government’s scheme that the Act remain so vague that a corrupt and power-hungry Administration may imprison virtually anyone it considers a threat to its pursuit of absolute power.
On July 25th, Administration lawyers filed papers demanding Judge Forrest’s preliminary injunction NOT be made permanent. In the filing, Obama made it clear his Administration would ignore the court and its injunction regardless of what the judge may decide, claiming incorrectly that “…[the] injunction would have ‘nil’ effect, for the government would continue to possess the identical detention authority under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force…” Of course, that is a lie, as the AUMF applies only to known members of al Qaeda or the Taliban.
Most indicative of the Obama Administration’s contempt for Judge Forrest, the law, and the American people was government attorney Benjamin Torrance’s claim that it was “the Obama Administration’s position” NDAA detention provisions do not apply to American citizens living in the US. Judge Forrest responded by quoting Chief Justice Roberts, who wrote in a 2010 case that the Supreme Court “…would not uphold an unconstitutional statute merely because the government promised to use it reasonably.” So much for Judge Forrest’s faith in the validity and value of Obama’s signing statement promise to not employ his Section 1021 authority to indefinitely detain the American public!
Yet incredibly, when pressed on the issue, this Obama mouthpiece suggested to Forrest that concerns about the president’s detention powers were excessive as American citizens would, after all, have the ability to file a writ of habeas corpus should they be illegally or improperly jailed! “How long does [such a] petition take,” asked Forrest? When Torrance refused to answer, the Judge continued, “Several years, right”?
So not only did Obama’s attorney lie about his Marxist boss’s corrupt intentions; he actually claimed that the abuse of American citizens was somehow acceptable because those unconstitutionally imprisoned might ask that the charges against them be produced after ONLY a few years behind bars!
Judge Forrest will soon decide whether to make the injunction permanent. Every citizen must watch very carefully for that ruling, as the “mainstream” media has ignored the story completely. We must all hope the Judge will not be intimidated by this corrupt Regime as so many of her colleagues have been before her.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-demands-court-uphold-his-right-to-ignore-constitution/
bob strauss……your article said;
“Under the terms of the Act, Obama had been given exclusive authority to direct members of the US military to arrest and imprison anyone he believed to have “substantially supported” al Qaeda, the Taliban, or “associated forces.”
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The Mr. Obama should instruct his military to ‘arrest the pResident of the United States. He is now sending arms, ammunition and will soon start sending troops tn support of the Syrian rebels who are “infested with the vermin” called al Qaeda and radical terrorist from other countries.
I think this may present a problem to Mr. Obama in the near future.
RMinNC, The usurper has no authority under the Constitution to do anything. He should be arrested, along with anyone who supports him.
http://twitchy.com/2013/06/16/mock-like-the-wind-laura-ingraham-others-slam-gun-toting-obama-fathers-day-pic/
Barack O’Farmer
Secret Service drive TRACTORS to guard the President at G8 summit in Northern Ireland
One said: “They reckon the vehicles will let them patrol the fields around the hotel unnoticed — but they’ll stick out like sore thumbs.
“It’s comedy gold really, like something out of Father Ted.”
More than 200 US Secret Service agents — with special diplomatic immunity to shoot anyone they suspect of being a threat — will be protecting Mr Obama during his visit to Co Fermanagh.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4970708/Secret-Service-tractors-protect-Obama-G8.html#ixzz2WPDObh5B
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RM. at first I thought they might be “them” frontend loaders that you referred to, but I guess not. A six-doctor medical crew will also accompany the President. Whaaatttt? Six?
Bob……….
Under the terms of the Act, Obama had been given exclusive authority to direct members of the US military to arrest and imprison anyone he believed to have “substantially supported” al Qaeda, the Taliban, or “associated forces.”
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I find this really funny. Doesn’t this statement give the military the right to arrest Obama??? Isn’t he now supporting with US weapons and US money to those same groups as we speak?
Looks like RminNC and I were thinking the same thing at the same time. Sorry RminNC…..didn’t see your post until I posted mine.
http://tinyurl.com/n27phd9
NO problem THISTLE…we think alike on the website…
Just reading over at Lame Cherry; they’re saying that barky died on June 13 due to a stroke.
I was never sure about LC, but this is interesting. The article is ‘The Jinn of 1600 Penn’.
I always thought there were two Obamas…
Oops, link:
http://www.lamecherry.blogspot.com/
SueK…..I wonder if the 2nd one has head scars too? lol I never could quite understand exactly where LC is coming from in most of their articles so I take them with a grain of salt. I’m confused like you about them.
Obama’s “Mother Of All Databases” Includes Our Children
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamas-mother-of-all-databases-includes-our-children/
I know, thistle.
I, and many CWers remember that photo of the clubbed hand mentioned; I found it unusual at the time but then, it disappeared.
I was never able to make heads nor tail of Lame Cherry, and don’t read anything into their articles however, they’ve been reporting for quite some time about a brain aneurysm. Not sure what to think and I’m not prone to conspiracy theories, but something like this would explain a lot…
As far as Lame Cherry is concerned – I find it a hodge-podge of various conjured theories which have little foundation in facts. It would help if whoever writes over there took some much needed lessons in sentence structure, grammar and punctuation. Sorry.
Happy Fathers’ Day to all us dads. Shabbat Shalom–Sabbath peace to all my Christian friends. Happy Sunday. And CW, I miss my dad, too. He passed away in 2001. Hard to believe that many years have gone by. It was just a month before 9/11
Over at Drudge there is a headline that NSA admits that low level analysts have authorization to spy on US citizens without needing a warrant. I think people would be amazed at how far down the ladder this may go–that each of us at this site may be on some kind of list.
I have written articles under a pseudonym, one at a defunct Israeli site concerning Obama’s Shiite preferences. Also posts in reference to an Israeli intelligence source concerning Malcolm X as Obama’s possible biological father. After that I knew my e-mail was being monitored. There would be delays in accessing my e-mail and then I would find my yahoo e-mail sent to my Hotmail address and visa versa. How could this happen? I figured it was being intercepted from one address then sent back but to the wrong address but same person–me. Also, one sees all these trigger words underlined in one’s e-mail by some online system–words that have anything to do with hot political subjects or foreign affairs.
So we are borderline to becoming a police state. Amazon can’t keep up with the sale of Orwell’s 1984. Using that theme, CW has been ahead of the game. I’m sure you know, CW, that you are on one of the NSA lists.
You can find the photos of Obama’s hand here:
http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/photos/
Lame Cherry needs no help on sentence structure, grammar or the rest! It is done with a purpose to disguise and confuse. Those who are in tune have no problem deciphering what is being said. Lame Cherry has been the first to report what others finally come around to recognizing.
WAG THE SYRIAN DOG
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The overt intervention of the United States in the Syrian civil war will undoubtedly result in a big spike in the 93,000 dead and over 1.5 million refugees. I have not found anyone who can justify why such military intervention is in America’s national interest. But after eight days of Edward Snowden’s daily revelations of how the Obama Administration eviscerated Americans; personal privacy caused the current Newsweek Magazine cover to be titled “Hit the Road Barack,” a war in Syria may not be enough to distract an unhappy public from the Obama scandals.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/06/15/WAG-THE-SYRIAN-DOG
Kath….
Those who are in tune have no problem deciphering what is being said. Lame Cherry has been the first to report what others finally come around to recognizing.,
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Hmmm…….in tune with what? I don’t think that anyone who has something of importance to share has to “camouflage” it in riddles and nonsensical babbling. What real good does it do? End of story for me. Take it or leave it. 🙂
Speaking of Obama’s Shiite preferences, I think there is a big divide within the Obama administration: The Clinton party versus the Obama party. Obama has always preferred to support the Shiites and the Sunnis–the Muslim Brotherhood–only when it took down Sunni leaders and helped Iran. That is why Obama said almost nothing against Iran’s crackdown and next to nothing concerning Syria’s atrocities.
Well, the Clintons and Bushes and McCain and their ilk, don’t distinguish between Shiite and Sunni like that. A dictator is a dictator. So, what was good for Gaddafi and Mubarak would be good for Assad in their minds. So, funnel those arms through Benghazi to the Syrian rebels!
That, however, put Obama in bad place. That had to be stopped. Why not kill two birds with one stone? Let the ambassador who was smuggling the arms be captured, stop the arms smuggling and then do a trade for the Blind Sheik.
But that operation went sour. So there had to be a cover-up fast because an election was in process.
Okay. It is after the election. It looks like Assad is going to stay in power. He’s got Russian and Iranian backing and possibly Chinese backing, too. This can’t be allowed say the Clinton Liberals and John McCain and a majority of folk on the National Security Council. Plus it looks like Assad may have used chemical weapons. What are we going to do, Mr. President? He remains aloof. The National Security Council sees this but doesn’t know what make of his aloofness. They decide they want to help the rebels. McCain goes to Syria to make arrangements. Where is Obama? He’s planning his Safari trip to Africa.
Kath.. | June 16, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
Yes, thanks, Kath-that was the photo.
Some of us don’t know quite enough about the topics LC discusses, so that can lead to the confusion about what is said. I wish I was on top of every topic out there but with things as they are, it’s pretty near impossible to keep up.
I have been reading LC more these days; they seem to have some sort of inside track. Nonetheless, it’s very interesting…
Dean M.,
I love the way you communicate and certainly believe your scenario to be very plausible. Could it be also that the scandals at home have gotten so bad that Obama considers it “time to wag the dog” in Syria? It could look that way, but I doubt that his heart is in it, if what you say is correct.
It has been reported that Iran is training troops to help the Syrian government invade the Golan Heights if Assad decides to do so. This is a very dangerous situation, and it would appear that Obama is in way over his head. Any thoughts?
All the moves that Zero has made so far point to his aspiration of being “king of the world”. To begin with he attempts to appease Putin by his disarming our former allies so that they become vulnerable to Russian attacks and desire to force former Soviet members back into the fold under force. He then refuses to come to the aid of the street fighters in Iran to also assist Russia. Meanwhile he owes the Saudis big time for his positioning via their assistance in setting him up at Harvard and onward. So he opens the formerly “stable” Middle East (even if under strong control) to the most aggressive thugs to fill the vacuum of leadership and control who are Sunni like the Saudis. During the same time he is handing a weakened U.S. military over to the enemy with threats to our own of going under some world court if civilians are accidentally killed in the fog of war while attempting to give our own justice system for protection of the enemy. He sets up definite time periods for withdrawals with no terms which further costs us more lives of our best. To top that off now he further destroys morale and foundations with no policy for entering the Syrian mess other than minimally protecting his wussy and without plan statements that have come back to haunt him re: the chemical weapon question. Of course this also benefits the Russians by furthering weakening our defenses and placement for any world trust in the normally expected force of the U.S. for good. This weakening, defensively and purposeful economic destruction is also benefitting the Chinese in their hopes for overtaking us as well.
But in the end if he expects to collect for any of these maneuvers with the thugs of the world that he’s chosen to deal with and appease he will find himself eaten alive. We, of course, will be the hor d’oeuvres. How the defense dept. can cooperate with this leaderless cliff dive into national suicide convinces one that all leadership is now full of the perverted and willingly manipulated to protect position only. He shops the courts to find the weak points and shops the generals for the same. Sound familiar to any supernatural entity’s tactics? The rest in leadership positions he threatens with discovered dirt for their ruin if uncooperative. No wonder the few like Cruz are forced out of the pack of those who are seen as already surrendered…and they don’t like that one bit.
I’m with Sarah Palin on Syria…..without anyone who knows what they’re doing, let Allah sort it out!! The time for entry or effect for humanitarian purposes is waaaay past.
bob strauss | June 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Obama Demands Court Uphold His “Right” To Ignore Constitution
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-demands-court-uphold-his-right-to-ignore-constitution/
citizenwells | June 16, 2013 at 1:58 pm
bob.
I got this message attempting to go to link:
“The website ahead contains malware”
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At “VirusTotal”:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/384e51d388e23030cac8f257503034f8f6caded74901616159335c73419c8448/analysis/1371416182/
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Normalized URL: http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-demands-court-uphold-his-right-to-ignore-constitution/
Detection ratio: 2 / 39
Analysis date: 2013-06-16 20:56:22 UTC (34 minutes ago)
Fortinet => Malware site
Google Safebrowsing => Malware site
Observer,
Very effective post and so true! So much of what we have just learned about the spying has been accelerated under Obama during the four years. It was there all of the time, but now we are privy to at least more than known before, and there is yet more to come – much more.
I’m certainly with you and Sarah Palin all of the way re. Syria and Allah.
Sarah Palin Blasts NSA: Couldn’t Find Two Pot Smoking Bostonians With Hotline To Terrorist Central
http://www.fiscalconservatives.com/videos/vllwyRsvHEE.html?a=1
Gordo, I got the same message, I went there anyway, and posted the link below the other. Here it is again.
bob strauss | June 16, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
This site is under attack by the usurper, but I went there anyway, and copied and pasted the article here.
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Obama Demands Court Uphold His “Right” To Ignore Constitution
August 15, 2012 by Doug Book
Obama demands court uphold his “Right” to ignore Constitution
Obama’s Department of Justice is demanding a federal judge dismiss the injunction with which she sought to uphold the constitutional rights of the American people.
On May 16th, federal judge Kathleen Forrest granted a preliminary injunction to plaintiffs in a lawsuit filed against Barack Obama and the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA), striking down those sections of the Act that provide the president the power to indefinitely detain American citizens without benefit of their 5th and 6th Amendment rights.
Under the terms of the Act, Obama had been given exclusive authority to direct members of the US military to arrest and imprison anyone he believed to have “substantially supported” al Qaeda, the Taliban, or “associated forces.” When pressed by plaintiff’s attorneys about the practical extent of this authority, government lawyers admitted “…the NDAA does give the president the power to lock up people like journalist Chris Hedges and peaceful activists,” admitting that “…even war correspondents could be locked up indefinitely under the NDAA.”
And when asked by the judge what it meant to be an “associated force”, Obama’s lawyers “…claimed the right to refrain from offering any clear definition of [the] term, or clear boundaries of the president’s power under [the] law.” In short, it is the federal government’s scheme that the Act remain so vague that a corrupt and power-hungry Administration may imprison virtually anyone it considers a threat to its pursuit of absolute power.
On July 25th, Administration lawyers filed papers demanding Judge Forrest’s preliminary injunction NOT be made permanent. In the filing, Obama made it clear his Administration would ignore the court and its injunction regardless of what the judge may decide, claiming incorrectly that “…[the] injunction would have ‘nil’ effect, for the government would continue to possess the identical detention authority under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force…” Of course, that is a lie, as the AUMF applies only to known members of al Qaeda or the Taliban.
Most indicative of the Obama Administration’s contempt for Judge Forrest, the law, and the American people was government attorney Benjamin Torrance’s claim that it was “the Obama Administration’s position” NDAA detention provisions do not apply to American citizens living in the US. Judge Forrest responded by quoting Chief Justice Roberts, who wrote in a 2010 case that the Supreme Court “…would not uphold an unconstitutional statute merely because the government promised to use it reasonably.” So much for Judge Forrest’s faith in the validity and value of Obama’s signing statement promise to not employ his Section 1021 authority to indefinitely detain the American public!
Yet incredibly, when pressed on the issue, this Obama mouthpiece suggested to Forrest that concerns about the president’s detention powers were excessive as American citizens would, after all, have the ability to file a writ of habeas corpus should they be illegally or improperly jailed! “How long does [such a] petition take,” asked Forrest? When Torrance refused to answer, the Judge continued, “Several years, right”?
So not only did Obama’s attorney lie about his Marxist boss’s corrupt intentions; he actually claimed that the abuse of American citizens was somehow acceptable because those unconstitutionally imprisoned might ask that the charges against them be produced after ONLY a few years behind bars!
Judge Forrest will soon decide whether to make the injunction permanent. Every citizen must watch very carefully for that ruling, as the “mainstream” media has ignored the story completely. We must all hope the Judge will not be intimidated by this corrupt Regime as so many of her colleagues have been before her.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-demands-court-uphold-his-right-to-ignore-constitution/
I just got into the last part of Fox News with Chris Wallace and changed channels rather quickly to “Alaska State Troopers”, who are brave and get the job done. That is more than one can say for the U.S. senators, half of whom skipped an intelligence meeting Thursday afternoon so that they could fly home for a long Father’s Day weekend. Must be nice.
Audio: Bo Snerdley Goes Birther On Obama Gangsta Government; Legitimate Birth Certificate On File – AUDIO BELOW:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/audio-bo-snerdley-goes-birther-on-obama.html
By now we know that if their lips are moving they’re lying:
Janet Napolitano Denies Existence of ‘Orwellian State’
http://politicker.com/2013/06/janet-napolitano-denies-existence-of-orwellian-state/
Big Sis wouldn’t recognize the enemy (Orwellian State) because she is IT.
Here is at least one (there are a number) who sees though Rubio’s rhetoric:
GOP LAWMAKER: RUBIO ‘USING WEASEL WORDS’
‘He’s given up any right to be trusted by the American people’
Rubio stated repeatedly in recent weeks that effective border security was essential to getting his vote for the final version, despite his role in drafting the original bill. Earlier this week, however, Rubio told a Univision audience, in Spanish, that the effort to legalize the millions of illegal immigrants in the U.S. was the top priority.
“Let’s be clear,” Rubio said. “Nobody is talking about preventing the legalization. The legalization is going to happen. That means the following will happen: First comes the legalization. Then come the measures to secure the border. And then comes the process of permanent residence.”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/gop-lawmaker-rubio-using-weasel-words/#jiK9gvPzglrT27bk.99
In thinking about the snooping that is going on and the threat of blackmail that it poses to people in high places, one can’t help but ask if Sen. Rubio has something to hide and was blackmailed to push for legalization BEFORE border security when his prior position was adamantly security before legalization. He has certainly done some strange fumbling around publicly the last week or so.
Another one is Sen. Lindsey Graham, who has come out SO strongly in support of the NSA – almost unreasonably so. It appears suspicious. He does have something to hide that is at least strongly rumored, but there may be far, far more. His private internet activity may be not so pristine.
In other words, these recent revelations about NSA spying shed an entirely different light on the dilemma we are facing. No republic can withstand this kind of erosion of our constitutional privacies.
cabbyaz | June 17, 2013 at 1:23 am |
Good observation! Rubio has definitely made a turnaround on border security first. Looks like Chicago thug tactics are in full force.
……..Finally…..Many folks are beginning to see through Mr. “RUBBER MOUTH”. In reality he is NO DIFFERENT than the rest of the NEUTERED politicians,whose mouthe contort to any SONG AND DANCE………..among other functions!
………We do not need a Phd to comprehend where everything is headed. You only need to LOOK AROUND YOU, and pick the wax out of your ears. If you have a brain at all it will tell you the REST OF THE STORY!
BYE BYE, God bless!
AMEN Bob….AMEN…..I will vote for your lawyer…..good observation !
Bob Strauss……….
I am not sure that the portrayed lawyer in the video would have escaped contempt of court charges, perhaps a substantial fine,and maybe even some slammer time,but I am keeping in mind that this was ONLY A HOLLYWOOD SORT OF choreographed SCRIPT. BUT I GET THE MESSAGE,and like RMINNC,also say AMEN!
To ensure that the next election can be as corrupt as the last ones:
Jun 17, 11:42 AM EDT
Court: Ariz. citizenship proof law illegal
By JESSE J. HOLLAND
Associated Press
Supreme Court:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states cannot on their own require would-be voters to prove they are U.S. citizens before using a federal registration system designed to make signing up easier.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_VOTER_CITIZENSHIP_PROOF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-06-17-11-01-58
cabbyaz — Regarding yesterday’s posts (thank you for the compliment) on this same string–Obama’s walking a tightrope between Shiite and Sunni issues within his own administration: He favors Russia and the Shiite interest but the Clinton Liberals and Europeans are outraged at Assad’s murderous handling of the uprising in Syria. Whatever Obama does will be along the lines of pacifying the Liberals while giving ultimate advantage to the Shiite party. That’s my view. If he has to sacrifice American soldiers to appear Liberal, he probably will. The goal , however, will be to favor Iran. I’m sure he’ll give Putin assurances of that, now that he has “more flexibility.”
WHEN TRUTH BECOMES TREASON…
When truth become treason,… we really are deep doo-doo into the covers of 1984. All over the major television station over the weekend, all I could hear were the politicians telling me how Edward Snowdon was a TRAITOR and how his actions “were endangering America’s safety”. To that I say…BULLSH*T.
Those crooked politicians with their message of “Keeping America Safe”, are the same ones who are pushing “The War on Terror”, and “The War on Drugs”, and all the other “imaginary wars” that have no beginning and no ending….only a never-ending middle.
These are tactics used by politicians to keep the general public under control and in a general state of FEAR.
The is no end to the War on Terror, but, “the war on terror” serves it’s purpose of keeping the public in a state of helplessness.We are helpless because we can do nothing to end the insanity that rules within our government..
I have never completely bought into this “war on terror”. I have never been able to understand how a goat herder living in some remote cave over 5 thousand miles from me can be a threat to my health and safety. I can, however, understand how someone born in that area of the world, then transposed to America could become a THREAT to all of America. …..But that threat is seldom an item of discussion by our major media sources. The attention is always on “Over there, Over there”….Well to me, “over there,… over there” translates to “right here, …right here”.
Branding Edward Snowdon as a Traitor to America serves a purpose of negating their (the politicians) guilt of any criminality or wrongdoing and provides them with a perfect “scapegoat” to run up the yardarm before the “uneducated voters”…I like to call them “just plain stupid”.
The politicians, both Democrat and Republican are scared to death of what Snowdon has and may release because they know he has condemning information on a HELL OF A LOT OF THEM…….
Snowdon said something on a short interview I watched…he said “an NSA anaylist can get information on anyone or anything to include the president”. I think he may have something on Obama…time will tell, unless Snowdon is suddenly “disappeared”…as has been the talk of the town
In my opinion, “there is no war on drugs”…”there is no war on terror”, the only war being conducted is the war to destroy the American publics ability to determine that we are being played… like a finely tuned fiddle. With the help of the major media sources (which they have), our government can make us believe almost anything they wish…
Has anyone else who post here at CW’s site every wondered why we are always engaged in a WAR somewhere that CANNOT be won? Regardless of the nature of that war, be it War on drugs, or War on terror, or a War on this, or a War on that……
I do not say lightly that “the war on terror can NEVER be won”. I say it with conviction.
In this imaginary war on terror that we are fighting, the enemy has no flag, they have no country, they have no leaders……the enemy is like “an army of shadows”…..the only leader (supposedly) of this terrorist army we have eliminated is Osama bin Laden…….some say that happened over 10 years ago and that he died from a kidney disease and not from a bullet….I don’t know…but our media seems positive that Obama had him killed him by a bullet….that I doubt..
But I do know, this “war on terror” was a masterful scheme of someone. It was the perfect way to DRAW down on our economy. The perfect way to divide our country. The perfect way to deploy our military resources in a far off land searching for an enemy that is better suited to fight from the back of a camel that from a tank. The RUSSIANS learned this lesson in a very painful way from 1979 to 1989.
We learned nothing from their failures.
During that period, the RUSSIANS fought the imaginary war of terror against the shadows in Afghanistan and lost. That “war on terror” completely destroyed the U S S R. Out of the ashes of their involvement in that war, Communism fell (well supposedly). Russia did learn a very valuable lesson from that lengthy engagement ….they learned to never again get DIRECTLY involved in the Middle East …regardless of who was in conflict.
So, is AMERICA deliberately engaging in the Middle East for some hidden reasons? We have NEVER stated that our purpose in that area was to WIN anything. We are now saying the same old stuff we were saying in Vietnam…we want to “win the hearts and minds” of the people of that region…..again I say…BULLSH*T.
As a reminder, we fought in Iraq claiming they had WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction)……only to find out after the “war” was over that they had NO WMD as claimed by GW Bush and SoS, COLIN POWELL…
Then came Afghanistan…our current president, Mr. Obama, claimed we had to go into that country because that was where al Queda was, and we couldn’t fight the “war on terror” without fighting al Queda….We went and fought our enemy there…and now we are coming out of Afghanistan….
What have we to show for the BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars and thousands of young Americans lives lost there? NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING. Afghanistan is NO safer today that it was before we went there. It has NO fewer terrorist than it did before we went there. It will be the same when we leave as it was before we went there.
Now someone’s greedy eyes are set on Syria. This has all come about because of the “Arab Spring” crap that Obama and Hillery Clinton started pushing. That was a pipe dream they had of creating a “perfect socialist environment” in that area of the world . Arab Spring didn’t work out so well…it has now become an “Arab Nightmare” that the rest of the world must cope with.
Egypt is now being controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical government who is sending their people to fight on the side of the rebels in Syria. The rebels in Syria have known terrorist ties to al Queda.
So now the enemy we had in Afghanistan has suddenly become our allies and friends in Syria !…This “war on terror” is becoming very confusing. It seems like our governmental current position on Syria is this, “the enemy of my friend is my enemy, until my friend becomes my enemy”. Is that confusing to you?…Well it happens to be the truthin Syria.
As I said in a past post here on CW….IRAN is sending 4, 000 combat troops to fight on the government side in Syria. America has 4, 500 combat troops in a “war game” exercise on the Jordanian/Syrian border………poised to cross the border on a moments notice.
AMERICA DOES NOT WANT TO GO THERE…TAKE HEED…IF WE GO THERE, IT WILL BE VERY, VERY COSTLY IN BOTH AMERICAN LIVES AND AMERICAN RESOURCES…
WE HAVE NO BUSINESS IN GETTING INVOLVED IN THE SYRIAN CIVIL WAR……AMERICA MUST GET OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST… AND STAY OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST…..
I hope this post makes some sense to people who post her. It really bothers me that my country is engaging in wars that are always UN-WIN-ABLE.
This is my opinion, and I’m sticking too it.
OUT OF THE MOUTH OF BABES…..COMES THE TRUTH.
Barry Soetoro’s third grade essay….
‘My name is Barry Soetoro. I am a third-grade student at SD Asisi. My mom is my idol. My teacher is Ibu Fer. I have a lot of friends. I live near the school. I usually walk to the school with my mom, then go home by myself. Someday I want to be president. I love to visit all the places in Indonesia. Done. The eeeeeeeeend’ – Essay Written By Indonesian Citizen Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Obama
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Barry Soetoro ( AKA Barack Hussain Obama) turns birther…you can’t have it both ways Barry old boy !!!
MICHELLE in DUBLIN IRELAND TODAY: Today’s headline…..
“Michelle Obama: ‘It Is Good to Be Home'”
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DUHHHH, say again… Michelle, you have IRELAND mixed up with AFRICA ..
You are taking your 100 million dollar vacation in that country next week…remember? …..Ireland is not Africa…
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you have failed your basic geography class…..go back to the 1st grade.
“Let me tell you bout Minnie (Michelle) the Moocher……..she’s a low down hoochy koocher”………..
Look up Cab Calloway. He was before my time, but I heard it a time or two.
RMinNC
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
–George Orwell, 1984
DEAM M & SueQ……..RIGHT… on both counts !!!!
Ike Eisenhower once said – “There is one thing more dangerous than Russia and all her armies – National Bankruptcy”
He also warned us of the Military Industrial complex.
In case you want to tune in, The Five on Fox News is going to air an interview that Eric Bolling had with Edward Snowden’s father – 5 PM eastern.
Earlier I read a few of the comments about the claim that is being touted –
“He was a high-school dropout!” The father set the record straight that Edward had contracted mono and lost so much time at school that he decided to quit and got his GED earlier than if he had finished school. He then took some college classes. This is a much different picture.
This speaks well for America’s “WAR ON DRUGS”
A high-level player with one of the most notorious narco-trafficking organizations in Mexico, the Sinaloa “cartel,” claims that he has been working with the U.S. government for years, according to pleadings filed recently in federal court in Chicago.
generalstrikeusa.wordpress.com… aine-shipments/
What on earth is wrong with OUR governents. They declare a war on drugs with one hand and then support and arm the drug cartels. It is really messed up.
The indictment pending against Zambada Niebla claims he served as the “logistical coordinator” for the “cartel,” helping to oversee an operation that imported into the U.S. “multi-ton quantities of cocaine … using various means, including but not limited to; Boeing 747 cargo aircraft, private aircraft … buses, rail cars, tractor trailers, and automobiles.
To me this looks like mass social manipulation and corruption at the highest levels. It is a farce and fuels criminality and violence. Is this what governments should be supporting..
SO MUCH FOR OUR “WAR ON DRUGS”…..nothing to read here folks…move on.
I know (Blues Brothers) was a silly movie, but it remains to this day one of my favorites. Goes to show you what kind of person I am. Can’t help it.
You may want to disassociate yourself from me. It was made before PC was instituted……………ahhhhhhhhhh………….the good old days.
More on MINI THE MOUCH…….and her HOMELAND (Irish) vacation.
OUTRAGE! Michelle Obama’s Lavish Ireland Vacation With Her Own Personal Jet…
by Ulsterman on June 17, 2013 with 3 Comments in News
They don’t even care to pretend they care anymore. Michelle Obama is being flown around Ireland using taxpayer funded Air Force Two as her own personal jet, while her husband the president flew to the SAME LOCATION using Air Force One. While Barack Obama is in Belfast for the G8 Summit, Michelle travelled to Dublin to spend some time in a $3300 per night hotel and catch a Riverdance show before flying to Berlin to hook back up with the presidential entourage.
( “They don’t even care to pretend they care anymore.” ).
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Now for those who do not understand what’s going on here…let me explain.
TWO jets, Air Force ONE and Air force TWO are in play with the Ireland trip.
Air Force ONE is carrying Obama and his staff…
Air Force TWO is carrying Mini the Mucher and her personal staff of 30 people plus whatever family she managed to sneak on board.
Apparently both originally landed in Belfast and Mini briefly saw her hubb, threw a kiss to him from the window of her personal plane, then jetted off to Dublin where she is managing to exist in a room that only cost three thousand dollars a night.Poor Mini….I feel so sorry for her.
From there Mini will fly her Air Force TWO into Templehof airport in Berlin Germany and again unit with her loving hubby. They plan to tour” Berlin then flytheir individual jumbo jets back home… then and start preparing for their ‘meger” 100 million dollar vacation to their “second homeland” of Africa which will happen shortly after they get back home.
The big question that is on Joe Biden’s mind is…..will Mini demand her own private jet for the African trip too…Joe said he’s getting tired of taking the economy seats on his weekend trips to and from Maryland……
i DON’T BLAME YOU JOE….I WOULD TOO !!!
r and her staff of 30 people.
A WELL INFORMED PUBLIC IS AN ANGRY PUBLIC,… or should be
Air Force TWO is identical in looks and capabilities as Air Force ONE…
What makes Air force ONE is that the president is in it….Here are some interesting facts you might like to know about Air force TWO…..
Today there are actually two planes that regularly fly under this designation — nearly identical Boeing 747-200B jets. The planes themselves are designated VC-25A, with tail numbers 28000 and 29000.
The two planes have the same general structure as a normal Boeing 747-200B, and similar capabilities. They are almost as tall as a six story building, and they’re as long as a city block.
Each has four General Electric CF6-80C2B1 jet engines, which provide 56,700 pounds of thrust a piece. The top speed is between 630 and 700 miles per hour and the ceiling maximum (how high the plane can fly) is 45,100 feet. Each plane carries 53,611 gallons of fuel and weighs 833,000 pounds fully loaded for a long-range mission.
With a full tank, the plane can fly half way around the world.
Like a normal 747, these planes have three levels. But the inside, the plane doesn’t resemble commercial 747s in the slightest. . Luxury is a modest word to describe the inside of this jumbo jet.
Oh by the way…I almost forgot to tell you it cost the taxpayer a mere $181,000.00 dollars (that’s 181 thousand dollars) per HOUR to operate them.
Now don’t that make you feel better?
Knowing that your QUEEN is safe and secure is very important.
RMINNC……..
Did you happen to learn the fuel consumption per hour of the GE engine. Take that and compound it times 4.
oldsailor….I didn’t get that far…lol thats a little over my pay grade…
All I could find out was it cost 181 thousand dollars per hour to operate the big bird….
RMINNC………
Well I guess it is time to turn to Wikipedia. All you should need to do is type in the engine designation, and look for fuel consumption at max. power. When I return from Wiki I’ll advise as to the fuel consumption.
June 17, 2013
“Breaking: Congressman Jeff Duncan Calls For Investigation Into Obama Identity Fraud”
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“Congressman Calls For New Birther Investigation, Questions ‘The President’s Validity’”
By Scott Keyes @ Think Progress
“Another Republican is accusing President Obama of secretly being a Kenyan man who forged his birth certificate in order to get elected President of the United States. This time the theorist is Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC), chairman of the House Homeland Security Oversight Subcommittee.”
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http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/breaking-congressman-jeff-duncan-calls.html
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bob68’s comment at ORYR:
“OK, I pray this does not happen…..but, Rep.. Duncan will walk this back in 5—-4—3—2—1 done.
Maybe not…..be positive”
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/06/breaking-congressman-jeff-duncan-calls.html#IDComment663156373
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Aside…..”Sheryl Attkisson has reached third degree black belt in taekwondo.”
Sharyl Attkisson Shares Update On Computer Hacking Investigation
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/sharyl-attkisson-shares-update-on-computer-hacking-investigation/
I get tired of hearing that Iraq never had WMD’s. They did, but they trucked them over to Syria( and had plenty of time) while we were debating in the UN whether or not to go into Iraq with support from other nations. That’s how Syria got the WMD’s that they’re using against their own people now, just like Saddam Hussein did then. There was also a huge shipment of yellowcake, used to make nuclear bombs, that we discovered in Iraq and sold to Canada. This was all kept on the Q.T. at the time, because we didn’t want the shipment to be hijacked on the way, so it wasn’t in the news until the transfer was completed. There were biological weapons discovered in Iraq, but those barely made it to the news. There were videos seized in Iraq of the experiments done with animals with the WMD’s. The liberals preferred to state there were none found, and now the lie has become the so-called truth. My son and daughter-in-law went to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once. My brother, his son, his daughter and her husband also went to Iraq. All of them in Intelligence, but I haven’t stated anything that hasn’t been in the news broadcasts. I haven’t asked and they wouldn’t tell me anything that’s classified. At least 110 years, so far, of service combined between all of them. But in honor of their service to this country, I refuse to agree with those who say Iraq had no WMD’s and that Saddam posed no threat to us. Dictators are unpredictable, just like the one we have in the White House. Who knows what tomorrow’s news will be and how they will try to revise it? But my memory will not be revised. Thank you for letting me rant, CW.
Those whom the regime feels merit assistance in Syria:
Syrian Rebels Kidnap, Behead Christian, Feed Him To The Dogs
Syrian rebels beheaded a Christian man and fed his body to dogs, according to a nun who says the West is ignoring atrocities committed by Islamic extremists.
The nun said taxi driver Andrei Arbashe, 38, was kidnapped after his brother was heard complaining that fighters against the ruling regime behaved like bandits.
She said his headless corpse was found by the side of the road, surrounded by hungry dogs. He had recently married and was soon to be a father.
Stories like this continue to flow out of Syria. This isn’t Assad’s soldiers doing this, these are the US and European backed rebels. The guys who are suppose to have the moral high ground and early in the conflict they did but now they have egenerated into something far sicker than anything Assadhas done. Eating the hearts out of SAA soldiers, beheading christians, shia, etc. and shooting children in front of thier parents because they were found guilty of blaspheming.
This government is flat out wrong by siding with people they know are barbaric and whom they fight in other places. Its an absolute disaster and the hypocrisy of the move dooms President Obama’s legacy. The imperial armies march on. -Mort
http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2013/06/syrian-rebels-kidnap-behead-christian-feed-him-to-the-dogs-2447134.html
Margie O | June 17, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
Margie, you’re 100% correct! Iraq did indeed have WMDs and if you recall, they were refusing inspections by the international weapons inspectors; they were in the process of moving the weapons into Syria.
Also, and I’ve mentioned this previously, there were Chem and Bio labs discovered buried in the desert. These were not Mickey Mouse labs rather, full labs capable of producing chemical and biological weapons.
For those who say there were no chemical weapons in Iraq, I say just ask the Kurds who were gassed with nerve agents by Saddam Hussein.
As usual, the left believes what it wants to believe, whether or not it’s the truth.
SueK,
Wow, I thought I was the only one that sought out the truth on the WMD’s in Iraq. War Vets told me personally that they had found them and that they took down the labs. Wikileaks confirmed the discovery of VX gas shells and other agents. Yes, everyone there watched Sadam move everything that he could to Syria. I suspect the agents being used in Syria today are from Iraq. That means Assad is using Chemical Weapons from Iraq, likely provided by previous US transactions.
Pete
Barf bag alert:
Michelle Obama: ‘It Is Good to Be Home’
Speaking at the Gaiety Theatre in Dublin, Ireland, at a performance by of “Riverdance” by Irish youth, First Lady Michelle Obama thanked the crowd and said, “It is good to be home.”
“My goodness! (Applause.) That’s wonderful! You did it! Oh, my goodness. (Applause.) Thank you all so much. It is good to be home. Yes, indeed. You all are amazing — and you’re pretty good-looking, too. (Laughter.),” she said as she took the stage.
Later, the first lady expanded on the comments. “I want to thank all you for being here. You know, kids, you guys, young people — you guys have my heart. And I said this in Belfast earlier — it’s so true. (Laughter.) Look, my girls know — I can embarrass them and love them to death — but young people, you guys move me in ways that you don’t even imagine. So it was so important for us that while we were here we got to do something with the young people here in Dublin. So thank you for such a warm welcome. You have made my family feel right at home in Ireland, and you guys are pretty awesome,” she said.
And, a third time in her short remarks, Obama talked about the importance of home:
I want you to take that away with you this summer. I want you to look at me and Barack and all these wonderful leaders and understand that we are you. We are just like you — just kids who worked a little hard and dreamt pretty big, and got to do some wonderful things.
And when you get to that special place, I want you to understand it is your duty and your responsibility to give back to the community that made you who you are. So you never forget home, right? You never forget home. And what my girls are learning is that every day, their home gets bigger and bigger and bigger. It is no longer just the South Side of Chicago or Washington D.C., but it is Moneygall, it is Dublin — it is the world. And that is true for you.
So keep working hard. Finish strong. I know you’re not done with school — two more weeks for many of you. Finish strong, and do great things. I can’t wait to see who you all become.
Thank you. God bless. Let’s see a great show. (Applause.)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/michelle-obama-it-good-be-home_735422.html
THERE SEEMS TO BE A QUESTION ABOUT WMD’s IN IRAQ…..
The United States went in Iraq over the issue of a question of Iraq supposedly having weapons of mass destruction WMD’s The following article was taken from Colin Powell’s own admission. It was recorded on:Monday Mar 04, 2013 at 10:23 PM GMT
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Speech on Iraq WMD for UNSC (United Nations Security Council) was a blot on my record: Colin Powell
Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell has expressed “deep regret over his remarks at the UN Security Council (UNSC) in support of waging the 2003 war against Iraq, describing his statements as a stain on his professional reputation”.
In his new book titled It Worked for Me: In Life and Leadership, which is scheduled to be distributed next month, Powell alludes to his speech at the UNSC on February 5, 2003, in which he detailed George W. Bush administration’s fabricated ( that means made ) report about purported Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMD) program, and described it as a blot on his record.
The former US Secretary of State has said in a recent interview that ever since he has realized that the information he received about the Iraq war had been fallacious ( that’s a nice way of saying false), he has been asking himself what he could have done to end the US occupation of the country.
In his defense, Powell said that he only had three days to analyze the data he had received in order to prepare his speech for the UNSC.
In 2003, the US and Britain invaded Iraq in blatant VIOLATION of international law and under the pretext of finding WMDs. But NO such weapons were ever discovered in Iraq.
More than one million Iraqis (1,000,000,000) were killed as the result of the US-led invasion and subsequent occupation of the country, according to the California-based investigative organization Project Censored.
Referring to the fabricated reports about Iraq’s stockpile of biological weapons and WMDs, Powell stated that he did not deliberately lie about the issue, but later it turned out that those weapons were being supplied by another country.
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This report was taken from a report by a very reputable news agency by the name of Press TV. and published on March 4, 2013.
I do not question Marge O when she says that her brother, his son, his daughter-in-law and her husband went to Iraq…if they encountered WMD’s in that country, they should contact Colin Powell because he is now saying he made a false statement about Iraq having WMD.s.
The fact that video’s were discovered in Iraq about animal experiments done with WMD’s is not proof of anything.
As for Syria having WMD’s now that they got from Iraq, this is something new to me…I have not heard of them obtaining or using anything of this nature in that civil war….yet.
Margie O says, “The liberals preferred to state there were none found, and now the lie has become the so-called truth”….now we come to a point of decision…….
Is Margie O’s brother, his son, his daughter-in-law, and her son correct in stating that WMD’s were in Iraq ? ……or
Is Colin Powell, the Secretary of State for the United States, the man making that famous false speech at the United Nations Security Council correct?
I report…you decide.
p.s……Please do not include me in any address being made to a liberal. That is the greatest insult anyone could throw at me. I have 27 years of honorable service in the US Army. I have spent my time in the Army in the Infantry branch..I have served three years of combat in Vietnam.
I am perhaps the biggest HAWK who post here on Citizenwells, but I think it’s useless to fight wars that cannot be won.
If there are those who post on here who think we need to debate this subject further.. I am primed and ready.
This above is my position…and I’m sticking too it.
The Speech That Rocked Virginia
E.W. Jackson’s vision inspired and united Richmond and his words have rocked Virginia.
http://www.jacksonforlg.com/the-speech-that-rocked-virginia/
Did Saddam Hissain Use Nerve Agents on his own people?
YES he did…It was used on a KURDISH town in Northern Iraq by the name of HALABJA….the year was 1988…and YES thousand of KURDS were killed in this attack on defenseless those people……..
Was there ever any indication that he used WMD’s on anyone after that incident? NO
What happened to the supposed stockpile of WMD that he was reported to have….WHO KNOWS…the Americans spent a lot of time looking for them.
MargieO, SueK, and Pete,
Add me to those who always believed that Iraq had chemical weapons. It was reported by some reliable news sources at the time that Hussein spirited them out in trucks headed for Syria, which hid them.
We know, as Sue said, that he HAD them, because it was common knowledge that he gassed the Kurds, killing large numbers of them. The pictures of the dead were on the news for all to see. It was a horrible, deliberate attack. The libs are always rewriting history.
RMinNC | June 17, 2013 at 9:13 pm |
RM,
To me (and many others), Colin Powell is a hack and a traitor. That said, I was on the ‘inside’ when all this was taking place and previously, when the Kurds were gassed in Halabja.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
A colleague was getting intelligence from the field and the labs were reported; they were buried. Being in that game herself she wasn’t surprised however, she was surprised at how elaborate they were. They were being used to conduct research into Chem and Bio weapons. We already know that Saddam used nerve agents on the Kurds, killing thousands.
The weapons inspectors were denied access because there were flotillas moving Saddam’s WMDs into Syria; they were seen on surveillance photos. These sources are to be trusted, not some SoS who apparently didn’t do his research and commented on a topic he knew nothing about.
Believe this hack, or the people in the field; you decide.
Pete | June 17, 2013 at 8:42 pm |
Right you are, Pete. The weapons the Syrians are using today are more than likely from Saddam’s arsenal; to my knowledge, those weapons stayed in Syria. If you remember, Saddam allowed the weapons inspectors in *only* after the majority of the weapons had already crossed the Syrian border.
FYI, Saddam used several chemical weapons on the Kurds; VX, sarin, mustard gas, and a host of other nerve and blood agents were used to kill the people of Halabja. If he wasn’t manufacturing them, where did he get them? From what I was told, these weapons were indeed created in those buried labs in good old Mother Iraq.
So, tell me again that Saddam didn’t have chemical weapons and Bush started a senseless war…
SueK.
Thanks for that report! I was just ready to post, “I don’t trust Colin Powell” but you fleshed it out with good, supportive information. Since that time when Powell spoke and retracted his statements, we have seen what a weasel he really is, in putting his full weight behind Obama in 2008 AND 2012. To me that speaks volumes about his trustworthiness. To me he is a traitor and a disappointment, because I once believed he was a patriotic American that put country first.
bob strauss | June 17, 2013 at 9:20 pm |
The Speech That Rocked Virginia
E.W. Jackson’s vision inspired and united Richmond and his words have rocked Virginia.
http://www.jacksonforlg.com/the-speech-that-rocked-virginia/
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Thank you for posting this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as WMD’s go, I think it was obvious that Saddam Husien had them. The part that was troubling to me was that Bush turned over the decision making process to the UN, and it was dragged out until weapons were moved. He set a precedent (if I’m not mistaken) that was very disturbing. I had never seen the US bow to any other authority before when it came to acting in the interest of freedom. Yet our president submitted. You can argue whether it was a just war or not, but the biggest problem for me is that Bush subjected us to the authority of the UN. That stunned me.
I share you opinion of Colin Powell but for a very different reason which I will not go into here..
You said, “A colleague was getting intelligence from the field and the labs were reported; they were buried. Being in that game herself she wasn’t surprised however, she was surprised at how elaborate they were.”
At this time, I would ask you if this colleague of yours reported her findings up through the proper channels and to whom did she report them? Or did she just sit on her discovery?
you then said that, “We already know that Saddam used nerve agents on the Kurds, killing thousands.’
YES he did in 1988 in northern Iraq…..There was NEVER again a reference that Saddam used nerve agents on anyone.
Then you say that intelligence reported that “flotillas (trucks) were seen moving the WMD’s into Syria after Saddam refused the UN permission to come into his country to inspect for WMD’s.
QUESTION: how did we know it was WMD’s in those truck? Looking at surveillance photos tell us nothing about what could be in a truck. He could have been moving the riches he had stolen from his people into Syria for all we know from photos..
If the Secretary of State didn’t know what he was talking about, then he should have fired his “intelligence community” which supplied him his talking points for the UN Security Council briefing. To say that the Secretary of State would go before the entire world and just “pull stuff out of his a**s is rediclous.
Powell was supplied that intelligence information by the “intelligence people”…perhaps someone other than your colleague’s intelligence sources….Does that mean that the CIA and the military intelligence sources were on different pages? If so, it wouldn’t surprise me.
But to say, “These sources are to be trusted, not some SoS who apparently didn’t do his research and commented on a topic he knew nothing about.”… WOW.. thats pretty loud stuff to say about a sitting Secretary of State who put his reputation on the line with what he said at the UN Security Council briefing…and now he recants what he said and says that it was not true..
Do you really believe Colin Powell didn’t know what he was talking about, and your colleague did? If so, perhaps your colleague should have given the UN Security Council briefing instead of Powell.
Margie O you also said, “The weapons the Syrians are using today are more than likely from Saddam’s arsenal”…
That may be true,… but I didn’t see where you said, “Weapons of Mass Destruction”….. you just said “weapons”.
The “weapons” the Syrian army currently is using most likely come from RUSSIA, or IRAN…. not IRAQ..The “weapons” the rebels are using most likely came from Lybia or Egypt… via, the United States government.
And Pete let me say, if WMD’s were moved into Syria as Margie O claims and you seem to support, why haven’t we heard of a SINGLE reported incident where that government has used WMD’s against the rebels there? There has been none reported to date…otherwise the media would have a field day !!!
Please don’t misunderstand my post. I think Saddam Hussain was one of the most cruel men in the Middle East. He proved this by his treatment of the Kurds in 1988.
But I stand by what I have said, and what the former Secretary of State now confirms…..there were NO Weapons of Mass Destruction found in IRAQ…period.
Others may believe what they wish to believe, and they may believe the intelligence sources they wish to believe….but common sense will tell anyone Colin Powell would not have gone before the United Nations Security Council with a story of WMD’s in IRAQ then…..10 years later tell the world he had fabricated the story and he was sorry for that………. Colin Powell’s reputation has been tarnished forever.
This is my opinion and the facts support it..
SueQ | June 17, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
Thank you for posting this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SueQ, That was a great speech from the Marine, who still believes in the Oath he took in 1970.
http://www.jacksonforlg.com/the-speech-that-rocked-virginia/
Good night friends….
It’s nighty-nite time…if anyone wishes…we can continue this debate on WMD’s tomorrow night….. I have enjoyed the discussion. …thanks all.
otherwise, I’m drained. good night all and God Bless..
Goodnight RMinNC. Sleep well.
SueQ, thank you for the video with EW Jackson. It touched my heart. Hope he wins and the left doesn’t try to destroy him like they tried with Herman Cain, Ben Carson, Allen West, Mia Love, etc. & etc.
RM,
You were NOT privy to the info we had.
My colleague didn’t have to report anything to the ‘proper channels;’ the info CAME from the proper channels.
Because Saddam never again used nerve agents on anyone proves nothing; whether he used them again or not is a moot point.
Regarding the knowledge of WMDs being moved into Syria; how was it known that they were WMDs? They were seen. Boots on the ground, ya know.
Bottom line: Powell didn’t completely read the report he was given. He did no research as to exactly what was going on. He was a dolt like most of them in D.C., and he’s proven that time and again. His reputation was already toast before the U.N. Security Council briefing.
I don’t appreciate the reference to my colleague; she knows far more than anyone could possibly hope to know. I am insulted by your comment; you don’t know the situation and you weren’t there.
This is your opinion, RM, and like a belly button, everyone has one. I disagree with you and have my own opinions based on facts that were disseminated at the time and no one, no one, is gonna tell me that these facts are wrong.
Sue K, I agree with you. We remember the reports we heard from the Iraqi battlefield. My family members all served there, but as I said before, none of them told me any information about the WMD’s nor did I ask them. Everything I stated was in broadcast reports.The White House announced in the past few days that Assad of Syria has crossed the red line because they have proof he used WMD’s against his own people. So where did he get them? Since Saddam transferred them to Syria. Colin Powell tried to undo what he said at the UN so that he and his wife could be invited to the DC parties again. He wanted to fit in with the cool kids. So he lied. Happens a lot in DC. RM–By the way–after you use a biological weapon against your own people, the Kurds, you don’t have to use one ever again because everyone knows that you’re capable. So they don’t make waves and they put up with your brutality until the Good Guys come over to help. We’re the Good Guys.
Sue K and Margie O……..
I was going to let this IRAQ WMD thing go,… but after reading the last two post you made, I am compelled to make this FINAL STATEMENT in reference to WMD’s in IRAQ.
Margie O…you said, “Sue K, I agree with you. We remember the reports we heard from the Iraqi battlefield. My family members all served there, but as I said before, NONE of them told me any information about the WMD’s nor did I ask them. Everything I stated was in broadcast reports.”
What you HEARD from the Iraqi battlefield may, or may not have been the truth if it was being reported by the MAIN STREAM MEDIA… You then said that NONE of your family members told you of WMD’s, nor did you ask…So, as I understand that statement, all of your PROOF was coming off the television tube.
Then you said; “Colin Powell tried to undo what he said at the UN so that he and his wife could be invited to the DC parties again. He wanted to fit in with the cool kids. So he lied.” You can’t have it both ways….Either he LIED when he confessed on 6 March 2013 that there were NO WMD’s in Iraq when the US invade that country, or he LIED when he went before the UN Security Council 10 years ago…Either way, it doesn’t matter, Powell confess to his LIE on 6 March 2013. I am waiting for someone to PROVE him wrong and produce PROOF..
As to, “Colin Powell tried to undo what he said at the UN so that he and his wife could be invited to the DC parties again. He wanted to fit in with the cool kids. So he lied. Happens a lot in DC.” Thats kind of “far out”.
I doubt Colin Powell would destroy his reputation by confessing to something that happened 10 years ago just to “fit in with the DC crowd”…he already “fitted in with that crowd” by refusing to accept the one hundred thousand dollar challenge reference Obama’s birth certificate. Remember he was silent as a lamb. If any thing, by Powell’s admission to his lie 10 years ago, he is now Excommunicated from the “in crowd”..
Sue K….
You said, “You were NOT privy to the info we had.”……No I was not privy to intel or info “we” had…Who is the “we” you refer to? Were you ‘privy’ to intel that even the Secretary of State and the President didn’t have? It sure sounds that way ! W O W .I wonder what level of security clearance that could have been…. Maybe Cosmic Five.
Then you said, “Regarding the knowledge of WMDs being moved into Syria; how was it known that they were WMDs? They were seen. Boots on the ground, ya know.”
I am very very familiar with “boots on the ground” stuff, been there and, done that. I had many many friends that were also over there at that time…you know, the ‘boots on the ground” type….I don’t recall any of them telling me about known WMDs being discovered……although they have looked for over 10 years..
Finally you said, “I don’t appreciate the reference to my colleague; she knows far more than anyone could possibly hope to know. I am insulted by your comment; you don’t know the situation and you weren’t there”
I make no apologies for my comment. I said it as a COMPLIMENT to your colleague. If she had more knowledge than the Secretary of State concerning WMDs in IRAQ, then she should have given the briefing the the UN. She could have given them a more complete picture of the situation.
By the way, you have never given any background on your colleague, other than to note a she. Was she a high ranking militar officer, you know, the “boots on the ground” type, or was she a high ranking CIA agent working in that country, or was she working in DC looking at photos somewhere? if you respond to this, please give us some background on her level to experience so the readers can get a better picture of your colleague. .
Then you said, “you don’t know the situation and you weren’t there” That is true, and neither were you, You only know what someone has told you.
As for the “insult” remark. I too was insulted when you hinted to me as being a LIBERAL……for those who have posted on CW over the many years I have been on here…I’m sure they find that to be laughable.
In fact when my wife refers to me she says, “I’m that guy that is slightly to the right of Attila the Hun”….I guess that’s about as conservative as you can get…but if you want to call me a liberal….I don’t mind. I know my political AFFILIATION….it isn’t democrat or republican…but I’ll give you a hint. I have never voted for a democrat.
This discussion about WMD’s and IRAQ has been like three fence post out in the middle of nowhere talking politics among themselves. There are no winners…there are no losers………….there are only three fence post.with different point of view.
You ladies may decide to post more threads after reading this…thats fine, but like Sue K said, ” every body has an opinion and no one will change my mind about my opinion”…. I will not try to change your opinion, or the opinion of Margie O.,…… but I will stick to the facts that are known….facts and opinions are TWO different things…….