John Boehner Mitch McConnell Republicans should have walked away from table, Republicans support tax increases, Rhino Times January 3, 2013, Good news from NC

John Boehner Mitch McConnell Republicans should have walked away from table, Republicans support tax increases, Rhino Times January 3, 2013, Good news from NC

“The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital… the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy.”…John F. Kennedy

A tax increase to a company results in some combination of the following:
Product and service price increases.
Employee and hours cutbacks.
Reduced hiring.”…Citizen Wells

“Nearly every empirical study of taxes and economic growth published in a peer reviewed journal finds that tax increases harm economic growth,”…William McBride, Tax Foundation

Good news from NC.

Obama was defeated in NC in the 2012 election and for the first time since the 1890s, Republicans control both legislative and executive branches.

Good news reporting in NC.

From John Hammer of the Rhino Times January 3, 2013.

“The Republicans blinked and now they are toast. There is an old saying in business: If you aren’t willing to get up and walk away from the negotiating table then you’re just begging.

Obama refused to negotiate and basically said it was OK with him if they went over the fiscal cliff. We’ll never know if he was serious because House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell panicked. Whether or not Obama would have gone over the fiscal cliff is academic at this point because he did what good negotiators do – he convinced his opponents that he was willing to go over the cliff if they didn’t agree to his terms.

The negotiations by McConnell with Vice President Joe Biden got the small concession that taxes would be raised on families with incomes over $450,000. Obama wanted it to be $250,000, but it doesn’t matter because Obama got the Republicans to support tax increases.

And it’s not just a tax increase on those making over $450,000, it’s a tax increase on over 70 percent of Americans. So Obama got the Republicans to vote to raise taxes on most Americans – something they said they wouldn’t do.

Not only did Obama get Republicans to support tax increases, he got them to agree to raise spending. The deal that McConnell and Boehner voted for raises spending by nearly $4 trillion. The deal includes $1 in tax cuts for every $41 in increased taxes.

If the Republicans were going to cave like this, why bother to wait until the last minute?

The huge problem is that this leadership is done. The Democrats now know that they will cave. The Democrats have to wait until the last minute, but in the end this Republican leadership team doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude to hang in there.

It’s astounding how badly Obama beat the Republicans. First he got them to agree to this fiscal cliff deal a year ago, which was brilliant. He pushed the showdown out past the election. Obama will never run for anything again, so he really doesn’t have to worry about public opinion. Plus, he does have the media on his side. So no matter what Obama does he knows that he has the full support of the mainstream media and it will work overtime spinning everything in his direction.

However, despite the unquestioning media support, pushing the face-off out past the election gave Obama a huge advantage. The Republicans were no doubt hoping they could beat Obama at the polls in November, but they didn’t come close.

With the fiscal cliff looming and no election to worry about, Obama had a strong hand. The fiscal cliff raised taxes on everyone, something that Obama wants to do, and this way he could do it and blame it on the Republicans. The cuts included by going over the fiscal cliff may have been devastating, but half were to military spending, which Obama also wanted to do, and once again by going over the fiscal cliff he could blame it on the Republicans, which is what the press was doing.

So Obama could sit back with confidence and say, OK, either agree to my terms or I’m willing to jump off that cliff. The Republicans lost any bargaining power they might have had when they admitted to being horrified to go over the cliff. The negotiating tactic that might have worked would have been to agree with Obama that going over the cliff would not be bad and discussing how to deal with the issues that would arise, like a recession.

You’ve got to convince the other guy that you are willing to walk away from the table, and in the negotiations the Republicans convinced Obama that in the end they would cave, and they did.

Obama in the end gave up almost nothing. It doesn’t matter where you put the limit on tax increases on the wealthy because the point is not to raise money. It’s just politics. Obama has been saying that the rich don’t pay their fair share. He doesn’t give facts and figures to back this up; he just says it over and over again until people start believing it. Obama says the rich don’t pay their fair share so he wants to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans.

The Republicans have for 20 years opposed raising taxes. The Republican argument is that the problem is not that the government doesn’t have enough money, it is that the government spends too much money. The way to solve the fiscal mess according to Republicans is to reduce spending and reduce taxes. You reduce spending to lower the deficit and you reduce taxes to stimulate the economy.

Even Obama admits that reducing taxes stimulates the economy. What he hasn’t explained is why he wants to raise taxes if reducing taxes stimulates the economy. But Obama got to raise taxes on the wealthy like he wanted, and he got to increase spending by nearly $4 trillion. But he also got to raise taxes on most everybody else and to extend unemployment benefits for another year. Extending unemployment benefits encourages more people not to work, which is not what is best for the economy. But it sure is a great way for the Democrats to buy votes.

It was a win all the way around for Obama. Then he got to get on Air Force One, fly west and wake up in Hawaii. Talk about having a good week. This one is going to be hard for Obama to beat.”


83 responses to “John Boehner Mitch McConnell Republicans should have walked away from table, Republicans support tax increases, Rhino Times January 3, 2013, Good news from NC

  1. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    CW – Good to hear that NC now has control of both Houses AFTER getting the Dems to hold their convention in N.C. – Now the big question – Have they paid their bill yet??

  2. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Sorry – I meant “control both legislative and executive branches.”

  3. Now, if unemployment goes up, and revenues to the government go down, as the result of these tax increases, how will the democrats spin this, and who are they going to blame?

  4. Bob Strauss…………
    Of course it will be George Bush’s fault,who else?

  5. Bob Strauss………..
    The nitwit LIBERALS blame firearms for killing people so it is only natural that they would also blame George Bush for a decline in tax revenue.


    Judicial Watch is reporting that the FBI had information that Anwar Al Awlaki purchased “dry-run plane tickets” for the hijackers of 9/11 day’s after the attack….That Awlaki spoke at the Pentagon in February 2002 (5 months after the attack) knowing full well of his connection and 8 months after that in October of 2002 Al Awlaki was picked up by the FBI for using a fake passport, punishable of up to 10 years….BUT he was released, EITHER to track him OR he was working for us??? Will we ever know the truth??? Doubtful because Obama shot him down on drone Tuesday…

  7. Ooops….Good Morning All…

  8. to clarify….Al Awlaki purchased ‘dry run’ plane tickets BEFORE the attack and the FBI learned this day’s after 9/11…

  9. Ladies of the Democratic Party Pose For Photo on Capitol Steps

    Some of the comments are hilarious.

  10. For anyone interested. Not endorsing or recommending anything to anyone here. Just posting for those interested in participating or listening.

    Today, January 4, 2012, 4 pm EST, 1:00 Pacific. This is being coordinated by Winning Our Freedom, the PAC for Newt Gingrich, financed by Sheldon Adleson.

    National Grassroots Strategic Teleconference

    Friday, January 4, 2013

    4 pm EST/1 pm Pacific

    Call-in #: (712) 432-0900

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  11. Jonah | January 4, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Hey Jonah,

    Good thing it isn’t lunchtime yet, or I’d be worshipping the porcelain god…

    Actually, that’s Michelle (nee Robert) Kosilek with a trendy new haircut. This convicted murdered (he/she killed his wife) not only won the ‘right’ to a taxpayer-funded ‘gender reassignment’ surgery, but we now find we have to pick up his/her legal fees, too. Only in MA.

    Now, I see that ‘Michelle’ has moved to CT and is now representing ‘the people.’ I, for one, am SO happy to know this!

  12. Jonah | January 4, 2013 at 11:40 am |

    PRICELESS! Says it all about the Democratic party of today. Strip away the glitz, (peal back the onion), and this is liberalism.

  13. The Illinois Senate pulled the plug on legislation to ban assault-style weapons and high-capacity ammo clips late Thursday, a stinging rebuke to Democrats and a wake-up call to the president and his supporters who think the Newtown, Conn. school child slayings will make it easy to pass gun control.

  14. Sheldon Adelson is a person any true conservative should stay far away from…as well as any person he touts. Adelson is anything but a conservative. He thinks his wealth gives him the right to dictate to America to further degrade it.

  15. A Crazy Old Coot


    The T.S.A. disclosed the official Airport Screening Results:
    October 2012 Statistics On Airport Screening From The Department Of Homeland Security:
    Terrorists Discovered 0
    Transvestites 133
    Hernias 1,485
    Hemorrhoid Cases 3,172
    Enlarged Prostates 8,249
    Breast Implants 59,350
    Natural Blondes 3
    It was also discovered that 335 members of the Senate and Congress had no balls.
    Thought you’d like to know.

    Just the opinion of a dumb ole (Natural Born Citizen) country boy.

  16. Old Coot,
    Item # 10 must be mistaken. Is it because some in Congress didn’t fly commercial?

  17. A Crazy Old Coot

    Well, some live within driving distance of DC and others flew on military planes. At least that’s my opinion.

    Just the opinion of a dumb ole (Natural Born Citizen) country boy.

  18. Sorry………… meant # 8.

  19. Well folks he is now CERTIFIED. Not one person had the GONADS to raise his/ hand in opposition. They are NOW ALL FOR THE SECOND TIME GUILTY OF TREASON AGAINST THE US.

  20. did biden even ask if there was any objections ? the chamber was pretty empty.


  22. ………If we can get the goods on a few of the judges(CERTIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF WRONG DOING BY THEM) we will then have bargaining power with them. That is the way it is done in Chicago,and I must say that what is good for the GOOSE is also good for the GANDER.

  23. ……start digging everybody,I am willing to bet that there is more than a BOXCAR load of CROOKED BEHAVIOR EVIDENCE in the past of ALL of the judges. We need to find the most damaging,and damning evidence we can find. Just remember that ANY EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING ON THE PART OF A SWORN JUDGE is USEABLE AGAINST THEM IN ANY COURT, and GRAND JURY.

  24. ………as each day passes I become more convinced than ever that IF Barry Soetoro has no legally issued BC he would have been UNABLE TO LEGALLY change his name back to Obama. Therefore he cannot be legally married to MOOOOCHELLE using the name OBAMA. Her surname would be Soetoro. If he has no certifiable BC then he would not have been able to obtain a legally issued marriage license (IN ALL STATES,and Canada). If she has been brought along as the wife of Obama then she too is a PHONEY,because the name Barack H.Obama has no LEGAL owner. So she cannot be married to a name.

  25. ……If Soetoro was married by the halfwit who asks GOD TO DAMN AMERICA,it is DOUBTFUL that they are legally married. If the PHONEY CERTIFICATION of LB was used to obtain a marriage license then the license was fraudulantly obtained, and that the marriage would probably NOT WITHSTAND THOROUGH SCRUTINY,and /or investigation.


  27. Watch where Bidens hand is ….but moves down a little. It was right on her breast. Watch her movement!

  28. “Mark Levin: Obama Destroying America; Obama Deserves Obstruction & Political Sabotage”

    Published on January 4, 2013


    “Mark Levin is known to hang up in your face if you mention Obama’s eligibility issue”
    August 24, 2011

    “Mark Levin: Obama Not Qualified; I Don’t Mean Constitutionally; I’ll Leave That To The Goofballs”

  30. Federal Court Issues Temp. Restraining Order In Contraceptive Mandate Case, Invoking 1st Amendment As Well As RFRA

    In Sharpe Holdings, Inc. v. United States Department of Health and Human Services, (ED MO, Dec. 31, 2012), a Missouri federal magistrate judge issued a temporary restraining order barring enforcement of the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage mandate to require a for-profit dairy farming and cheese making business to cover abortifacient devices ( Plan B, Ella and copper IUDs) and related counseling. In addition to the company, plaintiffs in the case were Charles Sharpe, the founder-owner and CEO of the company, and two employees who “pay a portion of the required premiums and enjoy the benefits of the self-insured program.”

  31. Oldsailor80
    I was going to answer you yesterday concerning the 2nd Amendment activity you were addressing.
    First off, allow me to preface this post by advising that I have been spending a great deal of time lately studying the underlying issues surrounding the 2nd Amendment and how you and I, as individuals, should proceed in terms of informing others about this MOST important Amendment.
    When considering how close we came to not even having a 2nd Amendment to guarantee protection of all the other amendments, and also considering the fact that the Constitution itself is under direct attack at present, I believe it is well that there is a greater understanding of the 2nd and to preclude others from the distinct and present possibility of being labeled as revolutionaries and/or subversives.
    To begin with, it deserves mention that the entire Bill of Rights was written primarily by lawyers, albeit lawyers of the time , and the language of the time, now considered to be ancient by modern standards, is subjecting some of the Bill to modern interpretation.
    As with many other of the doctrines of the time, current reading requires the observer to “infer” meaning and to use yet other documents written in those times to aid in interpreting the founder’s intent, as certain descriptive words are key as to the orverall meaning of the document.
    Without getting into too much detail and, as you detest, “legalese”,the contention of the 2nd remains pretty much as it was written. That is to say that the 2nd has a dual purpose…both that of protecting the country and state through the augmentation of a standing military, and that of the right of self defense of the individual and his community against any attacker, up to and including oppression by a tyrannical military. It has NEVER been construed as having anything to do with duck hunting.
    There is the contention that, by the use of certain words, that there is not a provision for the “people” to possess weapons such as artillery or weapons of mass destruction. That, however, remains just a contention.
    It appears to me, after much study, that many of the documents, such as the “natural born citizen” clause, contain meanings, although plain enough to the framers, somewhat mystify us today.
    In my previous post I mentioned gun control and….what do we do now that we know it’s coming? I would recommend that we consider the 2nd Amendment in it’s personal defense mode of interpretation and, while there are various and sundry militia groups that abound in the US, they just might be considered,in the end, to be outside the legal interpretation, perameters, and protections of the 2nd Amendment. “Citizen Action Committees”, however, although similar in nature to local militias, are, by definition, formed to protect the rights and feedoms of the “individual” citizen and his community against ANY attacker, which are definitively addressed within the scope of the guarantees of the 2nd Amendment….
    The scope of this type of organization precludes 50,000,000 armed citizens marching across the country to DC, it does conceivably , however, disperse that 50,000,000 armed citizens across the nation within a network, of and for, active mutual support. This type of “organization” therefore, appears to provide the legal nexus between the 2nd Amendment and the individual “citizen”…as opposed to”citizen soldier”.

  32. oldsailor80,

    Have you ever watched the miniseries “Storm of the Century” by Stephen King? In it, the devil wreaks havock on an island off the coast of New England. His purpose is to collect a youth for the purpose of fashioning into the antichrist.

    The little boy he has in mind cannot be released without permission from the town. Horrible things happen as the town is held hostage. A town meeting is held in which the devil begins to expose each of the members past sins…. one by one. They (town members) finally cave under pressure and agree to a lottery of sorts. The little boy is chosen.

    Your statement…..

    ……start digging everybody,I am willing to bet that there is more than a BOXCAR load of CROOKED BEHAVIOR EVIDENCE in the past of ALL of the judges. We need to find the most damaging,and damning evidence we can find.

    You are probably right. Probably more than a boxcar. But this is the exact evidence that Barry has in his files. This is his MO. How do you think he keeps them in line?

    SOMEONE must stand against him, no matter how many skeletons they have because “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” What is important is where your heart is now.

  33. A Crazy Old Coot

    In my opinion, digging for dirt won’t do any good because no one would ever see it for what it was. No official will ever see anything wrong with Mr. obama. We the people are not listened to or have any way to force our views in front of the officials that will only refuse to see it. Just look at all the evidence against obama now and how many judges or congress critters will even look at it.

    I could be wrong and pray that some honest official will soon judge the evidence on it’s merits.

    Just the opinion of a dumb ole (Natural Born Citizen) country boy.

  34. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Since I am not a lawyer, I would just like to know if someone had challenged today his eligibility by any congress man, would it be defeated by vote or an investigation?

  35. Ah, the irony:

    Feinstein’s New Gun-Ban Bill Likely to be Introduced January 22

    The anniversary of Roe v Wade. Suppose it’s unthinkable to ban those instruments of torture/killing of sooooo many innocents over so many years.

  36. pelosi never , ever negotiated with BUSH, NEVER.

    Boehner is a RINO, he does not believe in the CONSTITUTION. He thinks it is broken. He did not follow the CONSTITUTION and it got him into big trouble. The Constitution says clearly: THE HOUSE SHALL INITIATE REVENUE bills. The house did initiate the bill and sent it to the SENATE. Then the process, per hundreds of years of proven results is to negotiate the details between the two parties. IF they do not agree, then the bill is dead. BOEHNER and MCCONNEL should have insisted from the beginning that this is the requirement,and if the DEMS want to pass a real bill then this is what is going to happen. If the DEMS do not want to follow the rules, then tough titties. But both Boehner and McConnell are playing Harry GREED’s and OBAMA’s game. They should go back to the constitution and proven legislative methods. Obama should butt out, Boehner and McConnnel should repeatedly say it’s CONGRESS job to pass the laws, not obama, not the executive branch. This GOPers need to stand up for the rule of the law.

    but we all know now they do not believe in the constitution at all

    it is time for we the people to start our own new government and declare the existing one null, void, traitorous, illegal, treacherous, and treasonous.

  37. Heres a fact. If they told me i cant see my son after he was just murdered. And just be shown a photo. I would be furious! So folks. Sandy hoax is just that. A huge lie planned over 4 years.ago. Henry kissinger lives 30 miles away and gwbush was there

  38. Truthbetold11 | January 5, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    Henry kissinger lives 30 miles away and gwbush was there
    That is pretty far-fetched and veers on the absurd. Nowadays people are getting sucked in by every conspiracy out there, and I’m beginning to believe that some of this is exactly what our enemies want, i.e., going off on the deep end making fools of ourselves. It takes real discernment to separate truth from fiction. Jumping to conclusions with such ridiculous ideas is not the way to go about it.

  39. All sort of things are within the realm of POSSIBILITY, but ALL things are NOT within the realm of PROBABILITY. This is the area wherein sound reasoning, and logic must be utilised.

  40. Sueq……………
    As I stated this is the Chicago way of doing business,and you are right when you say that it is how he keeps people in line. But when it comes from an unknown source,and is planted right in their own back yard it will eventually sprout and grow. It would be deliberately misleading information,and of such a nature that will take the LIBERALS a long time to unravel,if ever. You WHISPER misinformation into the ears of literary morons. Their diminished IQ will provide the fertile ground in which to plant the seed of doubt. Like ant poison they track it back to their lair,and thousands of other ants die as a result.

  41. “When the SEED OF DOUBT is planted,YOU MUST CAREFULLY select the site. After doing this you CAREFULLY prepare the SOIL.After doing this you CAREFULLY plant the seed.After doing this you MUST CAREFULLY water,and nurture the seed. When it sprouts,and becomes visible,you CAREFULLY cultivate the growing plant. Then you CAREFULLY sprinkle small amounts of PESTICIDES,upon the growing plant. When the plant matures,and it’s fruits ripen,you carefully” PICK THE FRUIT.” Of course not everybody knows how to plant such seeds. It is an artform.

  42. ………equally as often many people do not know how to HARVEST THE FRUIT EITHER!

  43. ……there is probably even a pretty good chance that a lot of people would NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO with the FRUIT,or for that matter might not even know what the fruit should look like,or even when it is ready to harvest. But even with the POOREST CARE site will generally reward the harvester with a useable crop.

  44. On Saturday, January 5th – THOUSANDS of Americans to Support Hobby Lobby & Religious Freedom

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  45. Air Force Brat!

    TBT11, that’s just crap.

  46. Fellow Posters,
    We have all witnessed conspiracy theories over the last several years. I believe that the conspiracy theories are a direct result of the lack of a adequate 4th estate or free press. No longer do we get investigative, politics free, reporting. Thus, people have begun to question everything reported to them and put together different timelines or histories.

    I personally don’t feel bad about wondering about conspiracies anymore, because I am deeply aware that we are no longer receiving reliable unbiased information from the press. I will not insult anyone whom has a different explanation, especially when the facts don’t seem to go along with the official story. Bengazi is a perfect example. Obama’s eligibility is another, wherein the facts don’t match the press or the government’s account.

    When the facade of fake reporting, story making, crisis creation, and press cooperation with the government destroys the faith of the people, the problem isn’t the people.


  47. Pete………….
    I would take this one step further and ask WHY would either the MEDIA or the elected leadership want to evade telling the truth of their behavior to the public? Particularly if they HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE,OR ARE NOT PERPETRATING WRONGS AGAINST AMERICANS. If this is the case then yes this would be a CONSPIRACY,by any definition.

  48. Whistleblower

    The Valerie Plame case: The man who was appointed to appoint Patrick Fitzgerald “Special Counsel”

  49. CabbyAZ……….Re; 1:13 AM

    You are once again right on. Unfortunately it all has it’s origin in the minds of people who cannot determine reality from fantasy to begin with. They can be told UP is DOWN and they take it as the truth. Until we can somehow retrain the minds of such people their unenlightened behavior will without a doubt continue.

  50. This is an email I recieved from Orly Taitz.

    Judge England de facto saying that if you run fast enough with stolen property, you can keep it‏

    Orly Taitz

    Judge England case: Emergency relief of the Temporary restraining order was not granted but the case goes on. Some of the statements by the judge are shocking, he de facto says that if one can steal a property with forged IDs and was not caught because nobody wanted to hear the case on the merits, then he can keep the stolen property scotts free forever!!!

    Posted on | January 4, 2013

    Rich Pedroncelli / AP

    Thursday, Jan. 3, 2013. U.S. District Court Judge Morrison C. England said the case is unlikely to succeed and rejected Taitz’ petition for a restraining order to halt the counting of electoral votes scheduled for Friday.

    Read more here:

    We had a hearing yesterday before judge England Chief Judge of the U.S. district Court of the US. Eastern District of California in Sacramento.

    I had a problem with my flight, arrived late home after the hearing, did not sleep a night before and decided to wait till the morning to write a full report.

    Bottom line, the case goes on, but the emergency relief was not granted.

    US attorney conceded that if Obama is sued as a candidate, and not a federal employee, he cannot be represented by the Department of Justice, he cannot be represented by the U.S. attorney’s office.

    The arguments given by the defense were outrageous at best. AG of Ca did not say much, most of the argument came from the US attorney.

    There was media in the courtroom. Associated press reporter and photographer greeted me at the entrance and took pictures. AP reported that the courtroom was overflowing with people, was packed and most of the people were not Obama supporters. There were probably a total of a 100 people there. After the hearing people were shaking my hand, thanking me for the fight, while a number of people yelled out “mockery” as the judge was leaving the courtroom, indicating that the behavior of the judge was a mockery of justice. As I left the courtroom a large croud gathered and people were applauding me and chanting and thanking for standing up to criminals and corruption.

    US attorney stated at the hearing that there is no requirement for the US President to have a valid birth certificate and a valid selective service certificate and a valid Social Security number, that the U.S. Constitution does not state that the president is supposed to have valid papers.

    The judge nodded and told me, indeed the U.S. constitution does not require the US President to have valid IDs.

    I responded to him that the U.S. Constitution does not require the President to have a pulse also. There is nothing in the U.S. constitution saying that the U.S. President is supposed to have any brain activity, however it is common sense to believe or at least hope that the U.S. President should have a pulse and a brain activity. Similarly the U.S. Constitution does not say that the birth certificate of the President should not be forged, however it is common sense to believe that if the President has to be a natural born citizen, he should have a valid birth certificate and not a computer generated forgery, that he would not be using a stolen Social Security number and a forged selective service certificate.

    I stated that I provided him with a sworn affidavit of Jeffrey Stephen Coffman, former chief investigator of the special investigations unit of the US Coast Guard and a former special agent of the Department of the Homeland Security, who attested under penalty of perjury that Obama’s Selective Service certificate is an altered document, a forgery, for this reason alone Obama is not allowed to work in the executive branch, not as a President , not as a janitor in the White house. One is not allowed to work in the executive branch of the U.S. Government if he did not registered with the selective service.

    The judge simply ignored this point, he could not care less and could not be bothered with something as unimportant as violation of law.

    Then I raised the point of one and a half million invalid voter registrations In California, judge did not respond, could not care less about flagrant fraud in elections in CA.

    I told him that my clients are Presidential electors and presidential candidates, he ignored that. I told him that Grinols is the elector for Romney, who came in second. the judge said: what don’t you understand about being second? I said that I do understand, that if one, who came in first, is using forged iDs and not qualified, then one who came in second, will be declared a winner. (I was thinking to myself, what a question, does the judge understand this simple consept?)

    I told him that Obama posted his tax returns on line, did not flatten the pdf file, it showed him using a CT SSN, which was not assigned to him according to E-verify, the judge could not be bothered with something as insignificant as a US President using a stolen Social Security number.

    He said that other judges dismissed my challenges and one judge sanctioned me.

    I reminded him that when Thurgood Marshall fought for the civil rights of African Americans, a number of corrupt judges dismissed his cases time and again until he found one court that was willing to deal with segregation. If Thurgood Marshall would have been intimidated, we would have segregation until today. The judge lowered his head, he was holding his head with his hands, he was clearly following the marching orders from the regime and was deeply ashamed of it. A number of people later told me that they felt that the judge looked like he was ashamed of what he was doing. I reminded the judge that Susan B. Anthony went to court after court and not only was sanctioned, she was tried and imprisoned. She spent time in prison for what was right. If she were to be intimidated and discouraged by one corrupt judge, women in this country would not have any rights up to today. The judge did not say anything, he was silent in regards to that.

    I asked to allow me to put on the stand my witnesses: intelligence officer Pamela Barnett and former employee of the National Security Agency, expert in typesetting, typewriting and computer graphics with 57 years of experience Paul Irey, who would testify that the alleged copy of Obama’s birth certificate is a computer generated forgery. The judge refused to allow witnesses to testify. I told the judge that yesterday his deputy wrote an e-mail, which I posted on line on my web site, it was seen by millions of people, where she stated that witnesses will be allowed to testify, I relied on this and brought witnesses. The courtroom is full fobservers, who are anxious to hear witnesses testify. It cost me a thousand dollars to pay for the air fair, hotel, $150 for production of exhibits, the judge said no. I told him that I am a civil rights pro bono attorney, that I made all this effort based on a permission given by him through his deputy only a day earlier, but he said no.

    So all I could do, was to take out the exhibits, which were large, the media could see the exhibits thad I showed that the birth certificate was a clear forgery, that one cannot type something with a type writer and get letters of all different sizes and shapes and different fonts, it can be only done by a forger, cutting and pasting letters and words from different documents.

    I showed him that it is impossible to have a white hallo around words if you only place a document on the green safety paper. this is possible only with computer manipulation, with an application called unsharp mask. I showed a birth certificate of Susan Nordyke and showed how Obama’s BC was out of sequence and that the name of the registrar is different from the name of the registrar in Nordyke’s BC, which was signed during the same time. The judge did not care.

    I provided him information that in Obama’s mother’s passport Obama is listed under the name Soebarkah, that Obama is not his legal name, the judge did not care.

    I reminded him that he has affidavits from the law enforcement: Sheriff Arpaio, Investigator Zullo, Investigator Coffman, the judge did not care.

    His last iron clad proof, as he took upon himself to act as an attorney for Obama, was that Obama lives in the White house, he is the president and this is the proof.

    I told him that the fact that he was elected in 2008, when we did not have all the evidence, does not mean that he should be confirmed now, when we have all the evidence of forgery in his IDs. The judge said: “who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? President Obama, that means he is the president.”

    Chief judge of the Eastern District of California is de facto saying: it is ok to be a thief and a forger, as long as you can forge and steal and not be caught because there isn’t one honest AG or Da or US attorney or a judge to compel production of the original documents and prosecute you for fraud, forgery and theft, then you can continue keeping the stolen property forever…

    It seems that during Obama regime the only ones who get protection from the law are the criminals, the law abiding citizens are completely deprived of all of their rights, the only thing they have to protect them, is ammo. Just a year or two ago, during the Arab Spring, when people of the Middle Eastern Countries realised that they have no civil rights in their corrupt regimes, they revolted and threw off their dictators, corrupt judges on the take, corrupt law enforcement on the take with the rest of the regime. Without an honest judiciary I am afraid this will be happenning in this country in the near future.

    I will request the atudio tape and the transcript. I would appreciate donations to cover the cost of the transcript, travel and the cost of maitnaining these case and this fight. Previously I was quoted very high fee for the transcript. I am posting the pleadings and the article from the local press, which is skewed.

    Please, keep calling, faxing and writing the Supreme Court of the US, demand that Chief Justice John Roberts issue his ruling in Noonan et al v Obama asap

  51. Whistleblower…………..
    I still have an intense dislike for that entire crowd. Valerie Plame was little more than a government issued prostitute. She had very little GRAY MATTER,and had not been given any assignments for nearly a 20 year period. Guess what .That is about how long she was employed by CIA. So it would be safe to say that she done little to nothing in the interim period of her employment except keep everybody happy………if you get my drift.

  52. (The following is based on an interview by Jesse Watters, of O’Reilly fame, but it is carried by Glenn Beck. This Bowers gal is definitely a globalist, and, of course, is a blind supporter of Zero.)

    Bowers was a classmate of Obama’s from “fifth grade” until Obama went to college.
    When asked if she saw any “democratic leanings” or “liberal leadership,” Bowers said “we all really benefited in having a global view,” which was reinforced at the school.
    And on Obama’s so-called birth certificate controversy, Bowers called it the “most ridiculous debate I had ever seen.”
    “Because all of us were born in Hawaii at that time, we have the same birth certificates… If you happen to have kept the original one, which is a very thin extremely blackened out piece of paper with, you know, it’s very fragile, and what was even funnier was that our classmates, we have twins in our class, they were born right before then, literally their numbers in that hospital were right before his. Their mother knew the doctor who delivered him. So, we all felt that that was an extremely useless debate and wish that American hadn’t gone there.”

    Read more:

  53. Bob Strauss………..
    Obviously England is one of Soetoro’s “GOOD OLE BOYS”.

  54. Anyone can say that his/her mother knew sombody,……..particulary when all of these people are now dead,and cannot be questioned as to whether they actually knew somebody or not. This cannot be PROVEN as either true or false,and frankly I see it as more bullshi# designed by a wordsmith to mislead, and otherwise twist the truth. Such is a typical OBOT type of statement. They seem to enjoy using HALF TRUTHS,and outright lies in their childish efforts to make people think UP is DOWN.

  55. Bob Strauss and OldSailor,
    Orly Taitz’ report is unbelievable!! Thanks for posting it. Judge England has just shown himself to be in the hip pocket of Zero.

    She is exactly right when she addresses the corrupt justice system and what this means for all of us at a later date when some of Zero’s executive orders and other edicts come before the courts. As in other banana republics the U.S. justice system has mostly, if not entirely, been bought off.

  56. Bob Strauss……………
    Everybody can and probably should keep right on calling their various REPS,and the Chief Justice himself. However I am now even more convinced than ever that Roberts is indeed a part of the problem. ……….which is indicative of the fact that the entire SCOTUS is corrupted as well. There is literally an IRON GRIP on AMERICA. We need to find a weak niche in the liberal armor,and then keep hammering at the weak spot. Somewhere within the 127 person clan of judges, there is at least one of them who is morally,and spiritually weak,and will crack if put in the correct surroundings………at which point we will have bargaining power. That is only part of the reason why I advocate hunting up every scrap of information on the judges,no matter how trivial it might sound,or appear to be.

  57. CabbyAZ………………

    10-4! Soetoro is England’s BOSS.

  58. CabbyAZ……..
    Until we can find a way to take away all the government FREESTUFF for the ILLEGALS,and for the lazy BASTARDS who refuse to do anything constructive, we will continue to be the POOR SLOBS who will be PAYING FOR the FREEBIE SUBSIDIES. If you still work for a living,stand by for a huge RAM. Would you think that something is seriously wrong when a POTUS STEALS 700 billion from medicare and gives it to the SLIME in our country,and to the French whores,;…..(all of whom will laugh and then spit on us for being so damn stupid ).

  59. Oldsailor, (2:11 pm)
    Agree with you as usual. If the dollar collapses the “lazies” will be taking to the streets en masse, but that will only give the usurper a reason to take charge by declaring martial law, and we all know what the next attempted step will be – gun confiscation.

    That step alone will bring a showdown.
    Right now we are in a holding period, of sorts, but things can move very fast. According to sources from within the administration, the plan is to push through immigration reform AND gun control by the end of this month.

    Query: Will the Repubs in the House be strong enough to push back against both? I remember my aged piano teacher years ago demonstrating the strength of his little finger. The point he was making is that although the littlest of fingers is small, the power exerted by the entire arm behind it could do wonders. If Congress is likened to a “little finger” as it seems to be these days, the full force of the arm of We the People exacted upon it could really make an impact.

    Observation: There are multitudes that will get involved when it comes to gun control, whereas it has been a steep, uphill battle re. the ineligibility problem.

  60. Mark Levin: Time To Politically Sabotage Obama Administration

    By Daniel Noe

  61. cabby
    good analogy re: the little finger….
    both the bills you referenced will require budgeting,,,,for House Repubs…should be a no-brainer. What concerns me is the consistent lack of brain power they have shown thus far. maybe I should have said…a no-Boehner.

  62. Here’s another way to look at the debt ceiling.

    Let’s say you come home from work and find that there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood.

    And, your home has sewage all the way up to the ceilings.

    What do you think you should do?

    Raise the ceilings or remove the sh-t?

  63. What is Obama planning?!
    DHS Buys 200,000 More Rounds Of Ammo, Over 1.6 Billion Total

    While the Obama administration sets out to eviscerate the gun rights of American citizens in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, earlier this week it was announced that the………..

  64. If congress can resind Obama E.O. for for their pay raise, then why don’ t they respond his E.O. for his school records? just wondering.

  65. Well,

    We know one thing for a fact; the Republican party sure isn’t going to say anything pertaining to an investigation of additional ammo (or any ammo for that matter) from the Government. They may start an investigation, but will end with the “we looked into it” and find nothing acronym. What’s new?

  66. citizenwells | January 5, 2013 at 7:27 pm |

    bob, more.
    16 trillion in debt, and sill climbing, one fraud at a time.

  67. Hi William,
    A number of months ago I wrote to Senator Rand Paul about the large ammo purchases. He responded by saying that there were many others who had contacted him likewise and that he was also very concerned. He said that he would get back with me after looking into it, but so far there has not been a word.

  68. MA can’t find thousands of welfare recipients…
    16 trillion in debt, and still climbing, one fraud at a time.


    This is a very interesting article about the Obama/Auchi connection…

  70. Well, here we go again with more idiotic nonsense from the Florida judge:

    ‘No petitions for clarification or further rehearing will be entertained’

    Florida Circuit Judge Kevin Carroll, who previously cited the fictitious judge in “Miracle on 34th Street” in a ruling, now says he’s done with arguments over Barack Obama’s eligibility.

    Carroll released an order today refusing to hear a request for a hearing that is allowed under state law when there are doubts about a candidate’s eligibility. And let that be the last, the judge said

    “No petitions for clarification or further rehearing will be entertained by the court,” he said in his ruling that refused to respond to a request for the state-allowed hearing in a case brought by Michael Voeltz.


  71. C.W.; check out the comment by “Anonymous”…interesting…

  72. bob strauss | January 5, 2013 at 9:35 pm |

    Bob, and this surprises you? It didn’t surprise me at all; the hack-o-rama is alive and well and fiunctioning beautifully in the not-so-great Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

    You know what the Commissioner of the Dept. of Transitional Assistance (welfare), old Dan Curley said? ‘They moved.’ Have another drink, Danny boy…

  73. I am wondering what exactly the Florida judge will be thinking when some really pi$$ed off people show him their LIVE OAK TREE. I believe that this will start happening, and sadly much sooner than anyone believes. One by one, as was the case at Neurenberg. The Nazis also remained defiant right up to the “THUD”. One of them even yelled” Zieg Heil” only seconds before the trap door fell away. So when a group KNOWS that they have committed grave treasonous acts against their country, I would think that they also know what the penalty is for their acts,and they will accept the final solution before they will BLOW THE WHISTLE. Just a guess,not a threat. I do know that a HELL OF A LOT of people are getting really steamed. There are a very large number of VFW people who are meeting PRIVATELY in their respective homes.The greater their temperature the greater the STEAM PRESSURE. Could lead to a huge “BOOM”.

  74. The establishment realize we caught on to there games. They know they cant go on. Thats why all these false crisis. To keep us at bay from truth. They know we know. Gop and dem are same and r scrambling to keep us from uniting. They want us to have a crisis.

  75. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I just started reading the “fiscal cliff” crap bill, and as far as I can tell in my early reading, the first 16 pages are something to the effect of “strike this and add that” type of stuff, but on page 16 at the very bottom, I found this little morsel:

    ‘‘Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any refund (or advance payment with respect to a refundable credit) made to any individual under this title shall not be taken into account as income, and shall not be taken into account as resources for a period of 12 months from receipt, for purposes of determining the eligibility of such individual (or any other individual) for benefits or assistance (or the amount or extent of benefits or assistance) under any Federal program or under any State or local program financed in whole or in part with Federal funds.’’.

    Now some people may say, “Big Deal”, a person’s Federal Income Tax Return is not counted in whether someone can get Federal Assistance.

    I say REALLY Big Deal, at least in my opinion.

    One of the things that really irks me are the people who live off of the Government. At least the Rich actually HAVE money to be taken from them. These people just sit at home and COLLECT money for doing NOTHING (except maybe having more kids).

    This is a REALLY sore spot for me. Here my wife and I work all year long, paying taxes and all of that, and a woman who works at McDonald’s gets Government Assistance for everything from child care, to food to utilities to school assistance to clothing allowances.

    Where is the incentive to get off Government Assistance? Even IF the law says that a program is only supposed to assist someone for a period of time (like 26 weeks in the case of Unemployment), it is my understanding that this bill also extends the assistance for ANOTHER year (I haven’t gotten to that part yet, but if true a person can be getting unemployment for 4 years now).

    But the stuff like this paragraph really burns my butt, because there is NO incentive to get off of Government Assistance, and if you get Government Assistance by way of HHS or the IRS, it won’t be counted against you when you apply for another form of Assistance.

    There are parents out there that get back 10 or 12 TIMES the amount my wife and I get, simply because they have kids, can claim head of household, and get child credits.

    And those of us who choose to be responsible and live within our means are PUNISHED.

  76. Interested Bystander

    Here’s an example of this bill:

    “(K) FOREIGN TAX CREDIT.—Section 904 is amended by striking subsection (i) and by redesignating subsections (j) , (k), and (l) as sub sections (i), (j), and (k), respectively.”

    So I guess to understand what this actually pertains too, you have to find this section of the IRS tax code and then find subsection “I” to figure out what has been striken.

    And it goes on and on like this.

    I don’t understand how they even keep track of what has been changed, especially given that almost ALL legislation is like this.

    It’s all a bunch of nonsensical gobbly goop.

    So here you go:

    So they are striking the section pertaining to “Related Person”

    “(I) Related person
    For purposes of this paragraph, the term “related person” has the meaning given such term by section 954(d)(3), except that such section shall be applied by substituting “the person with respect to whom the determination is being made” for “controlled foreign corporation” each place it appears.”

    So now I guess you have to find section 954(d)(3) to find out what THIS pertains too.

    How are we supposed to keep up with this crap?

    It’s all a joke, a sick twisted joke.

  77. Interested Bystander

    By the way, the above is on page 24 of the “fiscal cliff” crap bill.

  78. citizenwells

    Thanks Bessie.

  79. Thanks, Bessie.
    IB yep, what you’re saying,
    and it feels like we’re under siege.

  80. Imagine that, republicans walking away from tax increase. I guarentee if that was to happen , we would not see a republican president till eight generation of democrats pass.

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