Unemployment initial claims January 3, 2013, 372000 claims, Up 10 thousand, 21 states with increases over 1000, Carma for Ohio with Layoffs in the automobile and manufacturing industries

Unemployment initial claims January 3, 2013, 372000 claims, Up 10 thousand, 21 states with increases over 1000, Carma for Ohio with Layoffs in the automobile and manufacturing industries

“With a 63.7% labor force participation, “conditions in the labor market are considerably worse than indicated” in July’s report”…economist Joshua Shapiro, WSJ August 3, 2012

“We tried our plan—and it worked. That’s the difference. That’s the choice in this election. That’s why I’m running for a second term.”…Barack Obama

“the Times of the nineteenth of December had published the official forecasts of the output of various classes of consumption goods in the fourth quarter of 1983, which was also the sixth quarter of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. Today’s issue contained a statement of the actual output, from which it appeared that the forecasts were in every instance grossly wrong. Winston’s job was to rectify the original figures by making them agree with the later ones.”…George Orwell, “1984″

The Unemployment Initial Claims Report for January 3, 2013 was released this morning. 21 states had increases over 1000. Of the top 12 states with claims increases, all but one went for Obama in 2012 and all had initial claims over 2,000. Ohio had the largest increase of 8,795.

I refer to this as Carma.

From the US Labor Department January 3, 2013.

“In the week ending December 29, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 372,000, an increase of 10,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 362,000. The 4-week moving average was 360,000, an increase of 250 from the previous week’s revised average of 359,750.”


State Change State Supplied Comment
OH +8,795 Layoffs in the automobile and manufacturing industries.
MI +6,641 Layoffs in the manufacturing industry.
PA +5,530 Layoffs in the entertainment and accommodations, and food service industries.
KY +4,745 No comment.
MA +4,330 Layoffs in the educational services, construction, transportation, retail, food service and manufacturing industries.
NJ +3,710 Layoffs in the educational services, construction, manufacturing, and real estate and rental industries.
IL +3,445 Layoffs in the construction and manufacturing industries.
VA +3,366 No comment.
WI +2,833 No comment.
NY +2,401 Layoffs in the construction, food service, professional, scientific, and technical service industries.
CT +2,084 No comment.
WA +2,008 Layoffs in the agriculture, forestry, fishing and hunting, and construction industries.
IA +1,648 Layoffs in construction and manufacturing industries.
NC +1,394 Layoffs in the business services and construction industries.
MD +1,353 No comment.
MO +1,311 Layoffs in the accommodation and food service industries.
OK +1,198 No comment.
IN +1,175 Layoffs in the construction and transportation manufacturing industries.
OR +1,150 Layoffs in seasonal industries.
AR +1,092 No comment.
TN +1,030 Layoffs in the administrative and supporting service, food service, specialty trade contractors, metal, and construction industries.



53 responses to “Unemployment initial claims January 3, 2013, 372000 claims, Up 10 thousand, 21 states with increases over 1000, Carma for Ohio with Layoffs in the automobile and manufacturing industries

  1. Egyptian Magazine Claims Muslim Brotherhood Has Infiltrated The Obama Administration…


    The six named people include: Arif Alikhan, assistant secretary of Homeland Security for policy development; Mohammed Elibiary, a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council; Rashad Hussain, the U.S. special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference; Salam al-Marayati, co-founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC); Imam Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA); and Eboo Patel, a member of President Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships.

  2. Will the private swearing in be some kind of satanic/masonic ritual?? There have been hints from WHI for such possibilities.

    more from Pastor Hale today: http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm

  3. http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/01/02/republican-insider-warning-obamas-second-term-third-year-agenda/?fb_ref=fb_activity

    Republican Insider: WARNING – Obama’s Second Term Third Year Agenda

    If we lose the House and the Dems keep the Senate, as bad as things are now, I know they will get much worse. I’m starting to sense that getting Obama re-elected was to set up that 3rd year agenda. The real globalization push. Taxes, immigration, guns, environment, currency, healthcare mandates, the domestic drone program, all of it and more will come together in that third year if they control the White House and Congress. All of it will be finalized. Everything the globalists have worked for all this time will come together during that third year of Barack Obama’s second term. What’s the old saying? Death comes in threes? Word is Boehner thinks that legislative doomsday scenario is silly while Cantor is taking it much more seriously.

    Wondering if Obama, in giving stupid Biden a place in these negotiations, is planning to pull a Putin by having Biden in place for future president only to continue his control through this clueless/compliant idiot.

  4. Observer
    What the RI has just commented on, for the most part has already happened or is in the works .
    I’m not so sure about this guy…or any of the others that Ulsterman has been allegedly interviewing as of late. WHI turned out to be a complete farce and it sounds as if MI may be a fabricated player as well. One could most certainly speculate their way along in all this turmoil and be right at least 50% of the time….then…once you’ve built up some credibility…sell the book.
    By the way …these statements are pure speculation as well.

  5. A thought occurred to me a long time ago….6,000,000 Jews, all packin’, would have been a formidable adversary indeed. Look what just a pitiful few accomplished in the Warsaw Ghetto, with nothing more than a few obsolete pistols…
    They did not need to consider the consequences of their actions as they would have been killed anyway. They chose to go out in a blaze of glory…and you know what?…Those are the ones still remembered today as individuals, along with Anne Frank, Schindler, and a few others.
    Will our existing population be content to wait until it is too late to matter?
    What if Hitler had awakened one morning to find himself faced with 6,000,000 Jews…all packin’….as a result of Chrystall Nacht…with the remains of Berlin still smokin”?… Oh…I forgot…they didn’t have cell phones or the internet did they?…
    What if Obama were to awaken one morning….oh well….and I woke up from my nap.

  6. coldwarvet2 | January 3, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    I tend to agree and have always wondered if the columns weren’t more of an imaginative way to use to project the blogger’s own conjectures out there. So much “news” is already pretty obvious if one just keeps up with the news of the day. Some of the rest of the stuff, like the so called witnessing of the weird behavior of Obama at political events….who knows.
    And it should already be obvious to those who already worry about this diabolical usurper that once he’s sworn in all hell can literally break loose and the plan all along of the globalists will roll out to completion. A lot of the planned chaos I think will follow what the Supreme Court does with the defense of marriage act.

    The continuing embarrassing behavior by Biden which is in the various reports today while he appears to be given rewards for pushing Obama’s personal fiat method of “governing” is what makes me speculate on the reason being that Obama wishes to continue control beyond his terms via controlling this sad man just as Putin has done himself. This was probably in the cards from the beginning with such a choice of a man for VP.

  7. Observer,

    I can assure you 100%, Obama is not a Mason. Yes, I am, reason I know.

  8. FYI,

    I just heard an inside report that the Republican party will vote and side with the democrats this month with Immigrations and stonger Gun Control bills…

    They have lost it….

  9. William,

    The history of Freemasonry with the globalists’ agenda is long and well known. It involves degrees and is based on the atheistic “survival of the fittist” outlook. It isn’t your acceptable little spaghetti dinners at the local temples/lodges! That’s for protecting the biggies who are ritually and materially involved for favors granted through connections offered. It isn’t too far fetched to link the satanic/diabolical/globalist/freemasonry dialectical materialistic hope for the world’s future.

    I never said Obama was a card carrying member of freemasonry or any particular organization by name. In fact, he avoids being labeled as anything of the sort and covers with the lie of “christianity” but redefines it as he does so, i.e. his particular version/interpretation of the sermon on the mount!! A joke of global distribution of wealth! So tying him into the control by the elitist globalist agenda of the secret societies/atheists/illuminati which control him and which are united in their luciferian adherence simply make the logic analogy of “birds of a feather”.

  10. Another thought occurred to me the other day….
    In the story “The Time Machine” as most here are aware…after centuries of evolution, there are but two humanoid species left on Earth, those being the Eloi, a somewhat eloquent but physically weak society that lived above ground in a relatively utopian world of plenty…and the Moorlocks, who lived below ground and were in control of the means of existence for both the above AND below ground societies….
    All was fine for the Eloi except….occasionally, the Moorlocks would go above ground and snatch a few Eloi and invite them to dinner…yum…
    It was never mentioned whether or not the Eloi and the Moorlock were evenly dispersed as separate societies, but I believe the assumption was that the Eloi were far more numerous. Kind of similar to how the Liberals and Conservatives are deposed in the US today. Rigged election results aside, the numbers are similar…in fact, there are most probably more Conservatives by far.
    It is becoming more and more apparent that, additionally, conservatives are now working against their own representatives in terms of political ideology. We have failed to notice that they have joined the other side. Like the Eloi, although we are relatively evenly deposed, the Moorlocks are now feeding upon us and will eventually see us totally enslaved, even though, as the Eloi, they will allow us the simple pleasures which will quell our desire to resist while additionally making us appear to be antagonists should we show any sign of resistance.
    Make no mistake…these congress people, with few exceptions, are now the elitist, globalist, enemy….the “Moorlock,” in every disgusting sense of the word. There is however, a factor that exists which, at least for the present, tends to even the playing field. As previously stated, we have the numbers…granted, they have the armies (of one sort or another) but we have the numbers and the guns…at least for the present….and this is what they (the Moorlocks) know. They are now looking for any means to tilt the balance in their favor….as in the Warsaw Ghetto …and leave us with nothing more than a few obsolete pistols with which to defend ourselves.
    I just have a tough time seeing myself as the Eloi…too long in the trenches I suppose. I’ll probably be eaten first…lol

  11. Observer,

    All Masons are card carriers. All Mason are Christians. No Atheist can be a Mason. All this despite the humorous t.v. shows, globalist alarmists of elitists’, or books written by so called ex-masons (which are a joke by anyone that is a mason) nor historians guessing with diligent accuracy. You are correct in the sense that it is built on degree’s, then again, so are many other things in life. But perhaps you know more about the mason’s that those involved as you are pointing out to me.

  12. Have You Seen the ‘Guns Are Welcome’ Sign That’s Burning up the Internet?

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    You might have seen signs at certain establishments letting customers know they welcome things like pets or strollers. But there’s a new sort of welcome sign that has begun to go viral on the Internet recently: a welcome sign for guns.


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  13. Observer,

    Just to add to the “Atheist” issue you pointed out. I have assisted with many interviews for those wishing to become a Mason. The FIRST question in all interviews: Do you believe in God? If answer is No, automatic rejection! End of story.

  14. citizenwells

  15. My hunch,

    Is Obama will have his appointed Islamic W.H. members present with photo ops, perclaiming that all religions are equal. Thus pushing the threshold of introduing Islam into American Politics as he has already allowed the Muslim Brotherhood to infiltrate us.

    But again, just a hunch

  16. William,

    All I can say is that Freemasonry, by definition, origin, history and global interest is darwinian type atheism. If the innocent local gatherings wish to extend their personal rationale for membership to the universal society then I’m afraid, while being good intentioned and perhaps innocent in personal relationships themselves, they’re not doing anyone any favor by also extending the same innocent understanding/advertising for the higher more secretive eschelons that are busy molding the elitist culture. I don’t doubt that there is an attempt to want a “christian” connection at the entry level…better to distract from the reality at the top, but I’ve never equated freemasonry with Christianity in belief. Why else do those with major societal connections of power hide the fact of their degree membership…those many within high places of govt/congress/church.

    Darwin, Lenin, Trotsky, Marx, Mao were all atheist freemasons and belonged to grand lodges. The very purpose is to prevent any influence of Christianity (or those as well who believe in the one God) over universal thought. Such powers welcome the apologies of Christians for their larger plan of global elitist power. Satan is in the background of such worldly materialist power.

    ‘Freemasonry teaches a naturalistic religion that espouses indifferentism, the position that a person can be equally pleasing to God while remaining in any religion.

    ‘Masonry is a parallel religion to Christianity. “Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward and punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiative and burial rites”

    ‘Historically, one of Masonry’s primary objectives has been the destruction of the Catholic Church; this is especially true of Freemasonry as it has existed in certain European countries. In the United States, Freemasonry is often little more than a social club, but it still espouses a naturalistic religion that contradicts orthodox Christianity.”

    Just sayin…..no judgment intended…again, a historical perspective that still lives universally due to monetary connections and power. One may have to have some belief in some supreme being but that supreme being conveniently remains undefined which equates it to a big nothing in His proper influence over man.

  17. William……………..
    What do you think would happen to the Muslim Brotherhood in our government if suddenly we put together a 50,000,000 million man army,all of whom were extremely po’d at the criminal in the WH to such an extent that they have picked up their rifles,are wearing several bandoliers of ammo for their rifle,and are all moving eastward across the US. Would this be our modern day MINUTEMEN? Fifty million rifles could be quite a withering barrage,if fired simultaneously………and if most of the weapons were either semi auto,or FULL AUTO would be super deadly. This is also speculation,but anything is both possible,and to an extent even probable if conditions are ripening for such an uprising. At present the conditions seem to be accumulating,and are getting clearer,and much more distinct. When it happens there will be NO TURNING BACK……….anyone who tries to duck out might be the first casualty of the forthcoming fight.

  18. Obama Promised Not to Use Signing Statements, but Released One Last Night

    and it’s a doozy:

    In 2008, Barack Obama promised that he would not use signing statements, but last night he released one to accompany his signing of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013.


  19. Observer,

    That is beyond pure ignorance, and laughable… You might want to change to the subject matter to something you are familar with. Just my opinion.

  20. If 600,000 weapons have been sold in California by itself it is not very difficult to extrapolate the figures to all the rest of the states. I have a feeling that MMMMMMSSSSSSS. Feinstein, and her GOON squad might be biting off a mouthful that they will not be able to consume. Even 600,000 angered citizens can become vengeance seeking SOLDIERS, who will not even be slowed down by her GOON SQUAD. In all probability the California Minutemen will have already dealt with her GOONS.

  21. OldSalt,
    Given today and future prospects of our government setting the stage (apparently intentionally) for chaos, nothing would surprise me. However, I and family are in a better position and location to deal with such if ever event occurred than 95% of the population. In the event such outbreak happens, you and all other CW’s commenters are certainly welcome to our properties for protection and food. That’s a promise. Anytime.

  22. Update: Grinols v. Electoral College; California Judge Rejects Obama Electoral Challenge


  23. Law Center Warns Congress Not To Certify 2012 Election
    By JB Williams via Email

    [ Hat tip Joan Swirsky ]

    Despite a deafening silence on the part of the government controlled news media, it is no secret that very serious questions concerning Barack Obama’s history persist and that wide-spread election fraud was used by the Democratic Party and the Obama Campaign to secure a second Obama-Biden term.

    At least one group seems interested in getting answers to those questions and stopping congress from certifying the 2012 election results until the American people have those answers.

    The newly formed North American Law Center is serving members of the US Congress with a notice, demanding that congress stop the fraudulent 2012 election and advising members of congress not to become complicit in the fraud by certifying the tainted outcome of the 2012 election.

    “BE ADVISED, your Oath of office requires you to act in a manner which upholds the United States Constitution, our State Constitutions, and the Rule of Law. This shall serve as Notice to you of the massive fraud which has occurred in the 2012 election. As a public servant, your highest duty is to the people of the United States. Failing to do your duty, after having been so noticed, will be a direct violation of your Oath, with malice aforethought.”

    read more: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/01/law-center-warns-congress-not-to-certify-votes.html

  24. ………..If MMMMMMMSSSSSSSSSS.Feinstein’s bill is passed there will probably be a strong uprising in our country,which could then turn into an all out Civil War overnight. I am feeling gusts of wind that are carrying all of the precursors of Civil War. I hope that I am wrong. However I tend to think that such a war could easily ignite in Illinois. I can almost GUARANTEE that IT WILL SPREAD LIKE a CROWN FIRE. The signs are everywhere!

  25. Observer,

    A little light for you. You may also take this up with Commander Charles Kerchner whom also is a Master FreeMason. For me, I am not only a Master Mason (3rd degree), but was also a Past Master (Master of Master Masons), which qualifies me for Life in Grand Lodge, as well as a 32nd Degree Scottish rite Mason

  26. William | January 3, 2013 at 9:40 pm |

    Sorry, but your comment towards me demonstrates your own criticism in action. My references appear to conveniently be dismissed without consideration on your part. I would say that your comment reveals rather a less comprehensive understanding of the topic on your part (innocent or not) than your accusation would hope to convince….and less charitable than my own in its description of historical definition/not personal judgement….and charity IS customarily an expected trait of believers/at least Christian ones. I don’t consider anything that contributes and has contributed to global elitist control in its basic historical and ongoing ideology as “laughable”.

  27. Judge rejects birther challenge to electoral count

    By Associated Press

    POSTED: 03:08 p.m. HST, Jan 03, 2013

    This file photo shows the birth certificate of Barack Obama issued by the State of Hawaii.

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. >> A federal judge in Sacramento has rejected a challenge by so-called “birthers” seeking to halt the counting of Electoral College votes for President Barack Obama.

    U.S. District Court Judge Morrison C. England on Thursday rejected a petition for a temporary restraining order filed by Orly Taitz, an attorney who has lost challenges in several states seeking to overturn Obama’s election.

    In a motion filed last month, Taitz sought to stop Congress from counting the votes, scheduled for Friday.

    Officials in Hawaii have repeatedly verified Obama’s August 1961 birth and U.S. citizenship, and the White House released a copy of the president’s long-form birth certificate in 2011.

    England said the case is unlikely to succeed, that the plaintiffs lacked standing and they failed to submit legal documents on time.


  28. OldSalt,

    I am highly interested in how the Florida Judge will respond, now that State Supreme Court ruling has set presidence.

  29. Observer……….
    What does the rejection of the legal action of Grinols tell you about the California judge? It tells me that he has decided to stay the course and GO DOWN IN FLAMES, or quite possibly at the end of a hangman’s garrote……..depending upon just how angered the public becomes. He might really regret going against our Constitution. We could possibly see a criminal trial of more than 5000 people, which would make the Neuremberg trials look like college level mock criminal trials. It is comparable to the hanging of one of the RADICAL NAZIS who waited for the right moment and yelled ZIEG HEIL,ZIEG HEIL after which the trapdoor opened, and he was silenced forever. Our judges are all yelling “ZIEG HEIL!” It is clear that they mean to fight to the death.

  30. William | January 3, 2013 at 10:02 pm |

    A little light for you. You may also take this up with Commander Charles Kerchner whom also is a Master FreeMason. For me, I am not only a Master Mason (3rd degree), but was also a Past Master (Master of Master Masons), which qualifies me for Life in Grand Lodge, as well as a 32nd Degree Scottish rite Mason

    Again, I gave a concerned historical perspective. If your concerns are of some personal justification that is up to your personal judgement within your God given free will. Anecdotal outlooks are just that as well. An admitted belief in some non-defined supreme being equates to nothing for a Christian believer and serves as some kind of parallel life separate from and often counter to orthodox belief. As stated by myself, within the U.S. it is simply a social organization, but it is getting more informative on your part when you now speak of the “degrees” that I had mentioned myself in giving that historical perspective. Agreed! Again, nothing personal, at least on my part.

  31. Birther Report: Special Announcement…
    ObamaRelease YourRecords on 12:13 PM |

    Special Announcement…

    To whom it may concern,

    If you voted for or support Obama your comments are no longer welcome here. Since I will be forced to purchase something against my free will and my tax dollars will continue to be used to murder innocent babies. I choose to abort any and all pro-Obama comments posted here that I come across. Don’t like it? Tuff $hit! Oh, and masking your IP won’t work in the long run.

    Happy New Year!


  32. William ………
    No offense but it is PRECEDENTS,NOT presidence. Yes, I am bewildered by the outright brazen behavior of the Judge,but all things considered he is still on Soetoro’s payroll.

  33. oldsailor80 | January 3, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
    What does the rejection of the legal action of Grinols tell you about the California judge?
    It tells me, as in all the various cases of judges do, that human nature is certainly involved in attachments to pride of position, power, cowardice in truth/law, and really a lot of fear of the now all consuming usurpation of absolute power which is said to corrupt absolutely and we are seeing the proof of that saying in action. The power that evil has when people have not been exercising faith/truth in action in their individual private lives and when later put to the test!

  34. Observer,
    My criticism is against your ignorance (innocent or not) towards what you know not, yet claim relevancy and knowledge within. Yet you conveniently dismiss firsthand knowledge (decade’s worth) as unrevealing as it does not correlate with your outside understanding and rather place your false accusations upon a severally fractured unintelligent ideologue you self developed upon me for correction? How absurd is that?
    I agree, charity IS customarily an expected trait of believers and Christians. What’s your point there? If you are referring to the Mason’s, Charity is one of the main pillars, in more ways than you can imagine. Historically, you don’t know what you’re talking about; or the present obviously. To falsely claim Mao, (might as well through in Hitler) Stalin’s and any other your wish, is not only historically incorrect, it’s a phatic insult. That makes your incorrect points laughable.

  35. If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,

    Police Kicked Out Of Belleville Denny’s For Being Armed

    BELLEVILLE, Ill. (KMOX) – Belleville police chief Bill Clay is ordering his officers to get their pancakes from anywhere but Denny’s, calling the restaurant “political stupidness.”

    The new orders come after a New Year’s Day clash between five detectives and one Denny’s manager.

    The department says the detectives were out of uniform but wearing their badges, when manager David Rice asked them to either leave or put their guns in their vehicle.


  36. …………and that explains it all. As I said until the courts are cleaned out in such a way that NO JUDGE in his right mind will ever again DEFACE the Constitutuion,there will be battle to the death. This is really sad,but if it is a fight that the Soetoro crowd are looking for then they should be rewarded with a fight that they have never ever dreamed of even in their worst nightmares. Unfortunately it will probably entail public HUMILIATION, and open harrassment of the allegedly innocent leaders, and I would suspect that the angered SOLDIERS will only stop when there is an expired person hanging upside down from a filling station sign,just as was the case with Benito Mussolini. Apparently the masses have learned nothing from those events in world history,and are willing to effect their own date with destiny. I personally believe that it will happen,and in all probability in almost the same exact manner. Once it begins it WILL NOT END UNTIL ALL INVOLVED have been dealt with,including 127 US Judges. No offense just a prediction. I could be wrong. But time will tell the truth whether or not I am still around or not. I am nothing more than 198 lbs of human protoplasm,and in all probability will not be on earth much longer anyway.

  37. Observer…………
    You then received the same message that I did. But then I expected the rejection anyway. Just one more of the Soetoro GOON SQUAD, doing what he is being paid to do.

  38. I read that there are now new signs of unrest in HUGO CHAVEZ’s little UTOPIA. There are people now talking openly about their IMPRISONMENT, in which they have NO RIGHTS at all. Many are meeting secretly almost daily to discuss ways of removing him, or DOING whatever is necessary to get rid of him.

  39. oldsailor80 | January 3, 2013 at 10:14 pm |

    What does the rejection of the legal action of Grinols tell you about the California judge?
    I think every judge in America is afraid to rule on this issue, of the usurper, and they will kick the can down the road to SCOTUS, where it would end up, win or lose, in any court.

    SCOTUS has been evading the subject according to Justice Thomas.

  40. OldSalt,

    You are corrrect. My apoligy, typing far too fast and thoughts on Observers comments.

  41. OldSailor,

    Its not so much that I believe the Florida Judge will rule in favor, but rather interested in his wiggling out of it.

  42. William,

    Putting it another way….I would be highly suspect of an organization that merely asks the question of one if he believes in a “supreme being” as some qualification for belonging but goes no further in such description of the individual belief. This automatically and conveniently equalizes all believers and all whatever types of those unknown “supreme beings”. But my “supreme being” insists that I put no “strange” gods before Him. By joining such an organization that insists there be no discussion or differentiation of beliefs I would necessarily be placing the true God in a lineup with others…false or whatever….just various types of “supreme beings”!! This goal is also the goal for the predicted universally recognized “religion” of the NWO requirement where Christ would be considered just another religious figure and no one will have any right to differentiate such a personal God of historical belief. Such a universal “anti-Christian” defined religion is not that dissimilar from any today that would also demand some bland non-committal adherence in order to belong just so that everyone can be satisfied or something….sort of a quiet “tolerance” or acceptance that reduces personal belief to meaninglessness. If you step out of that circumscribed order you’re out….or persecuted for such disobedience. Every kind of agreement has consequences in the natural order/law of the Creator. We are seeing the secular consequences of that ongoing reduction of belief today as nothing being sacred any longer…with evil being called good and vice versa: up is down, etc. all so that everyone can “get along” or retain power/influence.

  43. FROM: Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq:

    More Chicago Style Governing, Senate Got The 154 Page Bill 3 Minutes Before The Vote.

    Posted on | January 2, 2013

    Senate Received 154-Page Bill Only 3 Minutes Before Voting on it…


    One Response to: Senate got the 154 page bill 3 minutes before the vote

    January 2nd, 2013 @ 11:25 am

    Wow, Uncle Harry is acting like Aunt Nancy, “We’ll read the bill AFTER it’s signed.” Time to retire all 600 on the Hill and replace with about five that should be up there.”



    Fiscal Cliff Deal Sneaked In Wall Street Gifts, NASCAR Perk

    Posted: 01/02/2013 8:38 pm EST |
    Updated: 01/03/2013 7:24 pm EST

    ===> “The 11th-hour deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff preserved billions of dollars in corporate tax giveaways even as it slashed take-home pay for millions of American workers.

    Tucked inside the last-minute fiscal cliff package were more than a dozen tax loopholes, many of ===> which will benefit Wall Street financial firms and some of the nation’s biggest corporations. These breaks will cost billions of dollars in the coming year, underscoring the lobbying power of corporate interests.

    The deal was less kind to the middle class. Congress permitted a cut in the payroll tax to expire, meaning that the tax burden for the average worker will increase about $1,000 in 2013.

    ===> “This shows that the lobbyists are able to get what they want even when everyone else is starving,” said Phineas Baxandall, senior analyst for tax and budget policy at the U.S. Public Interest Research Group.

    ===> “It also shows they are best able to get what they want when no one else is paying attention.”

    Continue Reading:


  44. observer | January 3, 2013 at 10:15 pm |

    ..An admitted belief in some non-defined supreme being equates to nothing for a Christian believer and serves as some kind of parallel life separate from and often counter to orthodox belief.


    Good thing it’s nothing we are talking about.

  45. observer | January 3, 2013 at 11:43 pm |

    If it were as you described, (from the internet or wherever you partially understand a fragment) I would agree. However, your statement is incorrect. There are many denominations within the Masons, but none are Atheists as you initially and falsely claimed. They range from Catholic, Methodists, Baptists, Church of Christ, Protestants and more. Three alone in my lodge are Ministers and 1 Catholic father.

  46. Observer,

    (Sigh), let me briefly explain what your partial correct statement was when you referred to religion. You said: “But my “supreme being” insists that I put no “strange” gods before Him. By joining such an organization that insists there be no discussion or differentiation of beliefs I would necessarily be placing the true God in a lineup with others…false or whatever….just various types of “supreme beings”!!”
    Again, Masonry is not a religion, nor do we worship (as you said) “Strange Gods”.. good grief, the stuff people like you read off the internet and Hollywood is unbelievable! As far as there be no insistent of discussion or differentiation of beliefs is incorrect of your internet reading. I’ll interpret it for you
    What you cannot do during any lodge meeting, considering that we are made up of all kinds of Christian denominations, is have the Catholic priest just up and proclaim that “All Catholics” are correct, follow our religion or go to hell! Then the Methodist Minister jump up and say otherwise, follow the Methodist, we are all correct in Christ, otherwise, all will Perish, and on and on, and on. It is not allowed nor tolerated, ie.. Baptist are better than the Catholics for example. Has nothing to do with “Strange God”, but everything to do with respect for other Christians!!!! Another topic not allowed to be discuss, is politics. Such could have you possibly removed.

  47. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    If I may:


    I believe what you are doing is lumping all Masons together.

    To me that would be like commenting that all Baptists follow the Westboro teachings.

    I’m sure there are good Masons and bad Masons.

  48. Get a clue. Orly Taitz is an Obot, put in place to discredit “birthers”. Every time she files a “case” it is obvious that no “standing” exists. None of them conform to any state statutes for timeliness, or cause of action, or direct harm. It is designed that way. In this environment there will be no exotic theories of potentential harm allowed, and her cases are being entertained only for the superficial effect of discrediting “birthers”. Orly Taitz is definitely an Obot— 100%. The corrupt judiciary is using Taitz’ “fake” cases to generate Fake “precedent”, which supposedly overrules 200 years of SCOTUS precedent— that’s what her “cases” are designed for.

  49. citizenwells

    Good morning Zach, et al.

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