Truth Team real unemployment rate, NC jobs data, Stephanie Cutter, Truth about employment in US and North Carolina, Obama lies

Truth Team real unemployment rate, NC jobs data, Stephanie Cutter, Truth about employment in US and North Carolina, Obama lies

“Guilford (Large NC County) appears on it’s way to a third consecutive year with annual jobless rates in double digits. Economists say that likely hasn’t happened since the Great Depression.”…Greensboro News Record December 2, 2011

“”You’re a traitor!” yelled the boy. “You’re a thought criminal!””…George Orwell, “1984″

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed
–if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into
history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the
Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past.”…George Orwell, “1984″

To:

Stephanie Cutter, Truth Team, et al.

First of all, I would like to thank you for your concerns about the truth about Obama statements and performance. I share those concerns and am happy to share facts with you. The truth.

Since the Democrat Party will be holding the 2012 convention in Charlotte, NC, I am certain that the Truth Team will want the correct figures for North Carolina employment.

Recently Citizen Wells has reported on unemployment in NC.

From Citizen Wells December 4, 2012.

“Jobless figures worst in 80 years”

“data released Thursday by the Employment Security Commission of North Carolina show that Guilford appears on it’s way to a third consecutive year with annual jobless rates in double digits.

Economists say that likely hasn’t happened since the Great Depression.

“I suspect we would have to go back to the 1930′s (to find that),” said Don Jud, professor emeritus at UNCG’s Bryan School of Business and Economics.””

https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/nc-unemployment-worst-since-great-depression-uncg-and-government-spending-spree-other-peoples-money-obama-supporters-predictable/

From Citizen Wells February 11, 2012.

“While the job market showed signs of growth last year, both Guilford and the state ended 2011 with more people unemployed than was the case the previous
December.

In Guilford , nearly 24,500 didn’t have jobs; statewide, the number surpassed 446,000.

And both the county and the state ended the year with jobless rates of 9.9 percent. That’s equal to or higher than the rates a year earlier.”

“At the current rate of growth–adding 8,300 annually–it will take 3.5 years–or until 2016–to regain the positions lost during and after the Great recession.

“Looking ahead, Quinterno said he expects more of the same this year.

“Absent robust job growth, joblessness and associated hardships will remain widespread,” he wrote. “2012 could well be the fifth consecutive year of negative or minimal job growth in North Carolina.”

https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2012/02/11/nc-job-growth-dismal-greensboro-news-record-february-11-2012-guilford-county-and-north-carolina-9-9-percent-unemployent-446000-jobless-statewide/

From South by North Strategies, LTD February 10, 2012.

“No Rebound For NC Job Market In 2011”
“North Carolina’s labor market experienced minimal payroll employment growth during 2011. Between December 2010 and December 2011, the state gained 19,600 more payroll jobs than it lost (+0.5 percent). Though the private sector netted 29,400 positions, a net drop of 9,800 government jobs erased one-third of the private-sector gain. With such weak growth, little progress was made against unemployment. Both the number of unemployed individuals and the share of the labor force that was unemployed rose in 2011. And, 2011 marked the fourth consecutive year of negative (2008 and 2009) or minimal (2010 and 2011) job growth in North Carolina.”

“Large Job Gap Remains

The weak job growth recorded during 2011 did little to replace the jobs lost earlier in the business cycle. Since the onset of the “Great Recession,” North Carolina has lost, on net, 295,300 positions, or 7.1 percent of its payroll employment base. The maximum job loss recorded during the business cycle occurred in February 2010, when the state had 323,000 fewer jobs (-7.7 percent) than it did 26 months before. Since that time, North Carolina has netted 27,700 positions (+0.7 percent), for an average monthly gain of nearly 1,300 jobs. While the state’s economy added more jobs in 2011 than in 2010 (+19,600 versus +5,400), the growth was too weak to materially alter the employment situation. Even if the annual level of job growth were to triple, it still would take roughly five years to close the current jobs gap, holding all else equal.

As fig. 3 shows, the job losses recorded during the Great Recession have proven more severe than the ones experienced during the 2001 and 1990-1991 recessions. At the height of the 2001 recession, the state shed 4.5 percent of its jobs base, while the comparable drop during the 1990-1991 recession was 1.9 percent. In both of those recessions, the job gap began to steadily close after the peak job losses were realized. That has not happened during the current cycle. In fact, since December 2009, payroll employment in the state has grown by just 25,000 positions, which has succeeded in lowering the job gap by only 0.6 percentage points.”

“Remember, too, that the job shortfall currently facing North Carolina is actually larger than the one caused by the destruction of jobs during the recession. Since December 2007, the number of working-age Tar Heels has increased by 362,100 (+5.2 percent) persons. This means that payroll employment in the state should have been growing at an average monthly rate of 0.11 percent per month just to keep pace with workforce growth. If one considers the jobs that should have been created over the last four years but were not, the gap facing the state is 518,000 positions (fig. 4). To close that gap by December 2015, holding all else equal, North Carolina would need to net 14,389 jobs per month for each of the next 36 months. At no point since 1990 has North Carolina sustained such a level of growth over so long a period.”

“Joblessness Remains Widespread

Weak job growth in 2011 did little to reduce the problems of unemployment and joblessness in North Carolina. The monthly number of unemployed Tar Heels (seasonally adjusted) averaged 449,679. Furthermore, the average number of unemployed persons rose over the year. On a quarterly basis, there was an average of 16,216 more unemployed persons (+3.7 percent) during 2011.Q4 than one year earlier.

In December 2011, the statewide unemployment rate equaled 9.9 percent, compared to 9.8 percent in December 2010. Throughout 2011, the monthly unemployment rate fluctuated between 9.7 and 10.5 percent. For the year, the average monthly rate was 10 percent, which represented an improvement over the 2010 average rate of 10.5 percent.”

“More Problems Than Simple Unemployment”

“While part of that decline may be attributable to changes in the structure of the workforce (e.g., more people of retirement age), part is likely tied to the decision of frustrated job seekers to abandon their searches. This suggests that joblessness is more widespread than reflected in the official unemployment rate.

Estimates of the underemployment rate, a broader measure of labor under-utilization prepared by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, indicate that 17.9 percent of North Carolina’s adjusted labor force was underemployed, on average, in 2011. That measure includes not only individuals who meet the formal definition of unemployment, but also those working part-time despite preferring full-time work and those marginally attached to the workforce. Over the year, the statewide underemployment rate rose by 0.5 percentage points, rising to 17.9 percent from a level of 17.4 percent in 2010.

Regardless of the exact measure used, a sizable amount of labor in North Carolina is currently sitting idle. Nearly 10 of every 100 members of the state’s labor force are unemployed (seasonally adjusted), while almost 18 of every 100 are underemployed. Moreover, the share of adult North Carolinians with a job has fallen sharply since late 2007. In December 2011, only 55.6 percent of working-age North Carolinians (seasonally adjusted) had jobs, a level no different from the one posted one year prior. This rate actually fell to a low of 55.3 percent near the end of 2011.Q3. At no other time since 1976 has the employment-to-population been as low as it has been in recent months (fig. 7). The current ratio also is well below the historical average rate of 63.6 recorded between January 1976 and December 2007.”

“Perhaps the most troubling indicator of the economic hardships facing North Carolina’s households is the surge in the size of the state’s Food Stamp caseload. Between December 2010 and October 2011, the most recent month with data, the number of Tar Heels participating in the program grew by 7 percent, or 108,073 persons.”

“If recent trends hold, North Carolina’s labor market will not grow robustly in 2012. Even if job growth in the private sector accelerates, it is unlikely to pick up enough to put much of a dent in the problems of unemployment and underemployment. Economic hardships therefore should remain pronounced across much of the state. For the long-term unemployed in particular, their odds of returning will continue to fall, yet the tattered state of the nation’s safety net means that little help will be available for such individuals and their families.

Absent significant changes in economic conditions and public policies, weak job growth, high levels of joblessness, and pervasive economic hardships appear to be in store for North Carolina, with 2012 apt to mark the fifth consecutive year of negative or minimal job growth.”

http://www.sbnstrategies.com/archives/9798

Stephanie Cutter, Truth Team, et al, I have a strong background in Math, Computer Science and business, and as Donald Trump said, I went to some really good schools. So, if you have any difficulty with any of the facts presented here, or as we refer to it in NC, Truth, just let me know. I am at your service.

102 responses to “Truth Team real unemployment rate, NC jobs data, Stephanie Cutter, Truth about employment in US and North Carolina, Obama lies

  1. The lies, the corruption, the spin, taking the 5th, unconstitutional recess appointments, involving our military without congressional approval, lobbyists, excessive travel, horrific foreign policy (honduras, Iran, Israel, Czech Repub, GB, just to name a few) proven voter fraud, czars, sealed records, no budget for 3 years as required by law….the list just goes on and on and on..and all of this is blatant and IN YOUR FACE .

    They just say and do what they want?

    And absolutely NOBODY calls for resignation, impeachment, prison???

  2. Cabby – AZ | February 14, 2012 at 12:53 pm |

    “So what’s my 2012 agenda? I want a (R) candidate who can raise 1 billion dollars and defeat BHO so we don’t lose the SCOTUS to the Marxists.”
    *********************************

    Pat1789, what makes us think that money is going to win the election?
    It takes voter turnout, and already over 60% of the Republicans are voting for someone other than Romney. Without passion, the Repub voters will not turn out, and the majority have no passion for Romney.

    When Romney describes himself as “severely conservative”, that should give people pause for thought. Usually “severely” is used to describe an illness or something bad. It seems he has trouble learning to be something other than a moderate. Just my opinion.
    ————————————————————————————————-
    Cabby you severley don’t get it. Conservatives have zero influence over the MSM. If they want to win, they need to raise more money than the Marxists to combat the lie machine.
    You don’t see passion for Romney because you don’t want to. Or Rush Libtrard told you it wasn’t there.
    Or do just like to parrott dumb commnets from the Blaze?

  3. Somebody attempting to sabotage the Obama Ballot Challenge efforts in Florida posted a comment on this forum accusing me of being dishonest and stating that he fund raising effort was a “scam”. I am the project manager for the Florida Obama Ballot Challenge and I have been swamped since we announced our efforts on CA and FL. I now have the time to challenge the person who posted this attempt at sabotaging our efforts and demand a retraction. To compensate us for any financial damage we may have incurred from these falsehoods I would suggest a sizable donation to the cause. That should settle the issue and satisfy our attorney.

    The action below will be amended as we proceed.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/81593614/Voeltz-Contest-of-Election-pleading-21

    Also see:
    Why All This Confusion About What Natural Born Citizen Means?
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-all-this-confusion-about-what.html

    My friends on this forum and all those who celebrate valentine’s Day may also want to view our annual Valentine Message:
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/02/our-annual-valentine-message-most.html

  4. Pat 1789 | February 14, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    You don’t see passion for Romney because you don’t want to. Or Rush Libtrard told you it wasn’t there.
    Or do just like to parrott dumb commnets from the Blaze?
    **********************************
    Pat, for your info I do not listen to Rush or hardly ever read his transcripts. Also, the Blaze is seldom one of my sources, if ever. No, the passion is not there for Romney; otherwise, he would be getting more than 30% of the Repub. vote. Facts and figures.

    He is showing himself to be an invented conservative and that rings of something less than honesty. People don’t like that, and, believe me, Obama will have a field day with it. All the money that Romney has spent – millions and millions – has not gotten him very far ahead. That is the real fact that I’m considering.

  5. Santorum’s Liberal bonifides. In his own words.

  6. “Facts and figures. ”
    Get back to me when there is an “actual conservative” running that can raise money like Mitt.
    You sound like a plant for Obama. Maybe FS was right about you.

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  9. i enter orly taitz laywer she doesnt exist!!! lawyer.com

  10. Looks like Issa is going to push the contempt of congress charges on Holder. Wasn’t someone here reporting that Boehner was squashing the investigation?

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/14/issa-takes-step-toward-holding-holder-in-contempt-of-congress/

  11. Cabby
    I have been listening to Rush since the early 80’s ( when he was syndicated in California). In the day, he was generally pretty right on as far as getting the background info on the political scene.
    I have not been listening to him too often recently but I believe it is well to consider that, aside from whatever else Rush is, he is still basically entertainment (used to make money) and anything gleaned from his program still needs verification. It seems to me that nearly everything out there of a political nature now has some sort of monetary value attatched to it whether it be from the pro side or the con side.
    The Blaze?…same thing. it is entertainment. Beck has made a TON of money off this last election and the time leading up to it. Enough to buy his own network. I don’t believe he would have made the investment had he thought it wouldn’t be profitable. Bottom line is that these people who purport to have all the answers and have in reality accomplished nothing, are making a tidy profit off our misery….consider that.

  12. coldwarvet – I left you a message at the end of the prior thread, if you haven’t read it.

  13. Honor First
    There was an actual article posted IMPLYING that Boehner was going to sell out to the DOJ. I don’t know whether or not it has been fully retracted but it was hotly contested by Boehner. After reading the latest however it appears that Issa once again has capitulated as the February 9 demand date has long passed and he is requesting another person as a go between.
    It is not good from a negotiation standpoint to have another person between the parties. You are not supposed to access the other party directly until negotiations are either stalled or at an end. Seems to me they took a step backwards and that, to me, is capitulation.

  14. Pat 1789 | February 14, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    You sound like a plant for Obama. Maybe FS was right about you.
    **********************************
    Huh? What?
    That is an insult that is hardly worth responding to, but I’m going to anyway.
    You seem to know a lot about FS….That is strange indeed. If you think I’m a plant for Obama, you haven’t been paying much attention, OR you are related? to FS.

  15. In moderation at 6:54 PM – Please release. Thanks.

  16. Cabby
    Kind of what I was thinking about. Sounds like to me that you have a grasp of the gravity of what we are talking about here.

  17. 6:31 pm —

    “Issa takes step toward holding Holder in contempt of Congress”

    “Issa’s letter concluded by warning that Congress will continue to investigate Opeaqtion Fast and Furious until responsible parties are held accountable.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/14/issa-takes-step-toward-holding-holder-in-contempt-of-congress/
    ===========
    “Is Speaker Boehner Making a Deal with the Obama Administration to Stop Fast & Furious?”
    by Sher Zieve
    Feb. 13, 2012

    “After speaking with a Boehner aide who advised me “there’s no truth to that [story]” I was referred to Speaker Boehner’s Press Secretary Michael Steel who stated: “Such speculation is absurd and untrue. The Speaker appreciates the hard work that Chairman Issa and many others have done to expose this scandal. President Obama’s Department of Justice needs to be accountable.” Thank you, Mr. Steel. In saner and less corrupt times, this statement would settle the matter. However…

    The problem I have is that, in the past, Speaker Boehner said that he would not authorize another stimulus package…but, he did. Then, he said that he would not authorize the raising of the US debt limit unless and until major spending cuts were made. I believe he told Rush Limbaugh just that on Rush’s radio show. But, then Boehner turned around and did authorize raising the debt and there was only the pretense of any cuts, with no real ones being made.”

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2012/02/13/is-speaker-boehner-making-a-deal-with-the-obama-administration-to-stop-fast-furious/
    ===========
    They ALL lie.
    CYA ???

  18. coldwarvet | February 14, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    Capitulated? Time will tell, but at least there is still an ongoing dialog.

    That is encouraging to me based on the earlier (incorrect) reporting. You should know by now that government has only 2 speeds…slow and full stop.

  19. coldwarvet | February 14, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    Cabby
    Kind of what I was thinking about. Sounds like to me that you have a grasp of the gravity of what we are talking about here.
    *******************************
    Oh, I do! I do! We appreciate your valuable input here.

  20. Hi Gordo
    Good post by the way.
    “Issa takes step……” What step did he really take? Another letter? How many warning letters does that make so far? Holder probably files these under ????????? I can think of so many file names….none reflect well on Issa….or Boehner.

  21. Honor First
    We can only hope that this is indeed a case of the wheels of justice grinding slowly…
    On the same but slightly different subject , jbjd had one hell of a great interview on Dr kate’s radio concerning Texas voter fraud. Everyone should listen to it. I believe Gordo posted the links on the previous thread.

  22. My concern is that Republicans are beating themselves up so much, that we will lose the election in November. Who chose these candidates? Who discouraged better candidates from running?

  23. Thanks for the “atta boy ” Cabby. I’m sorry the posts get so long. Guess I’ve had this stuff bottled up for a long time. Hard to keep it short when there is so much going on.

  24. Tina
    Like Mama Grizzly said…these guys will be well shaken out by November. I tend to agree. I also like the idea of a possible brokered convention and a last resort candidate. Any ideas for that?…Ronald Reagan’s dead by the way…..lol

  25. A Crazy Old Coot

    Tina | February 14, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    My concern is that Republicans are beating themselves up so much, that we will lose the election in November. Who chose these candidates?
    ///////////////////////////////////////
    The candidates are chosen by “money”. You or I cannot afford the filing fees, much less the cost of traveling the country and paying for the ads.

  26. 7:21 pm —

    “… jbjd had one hell of a great interview on Dr kate’s radio concerning Texas voter fraud. Everyone should listen to it.”
    ==========
    “Revolution Radio: JUDGE ABBOTT–TDP CHAIR – OBAMA INELIGIBLE”
    Thu, April 15, 2010

    “drkate is pleased to welcome jbjd to discuss 2008 Election Fraud in Texas. In a stunning development, jbjd has identified a mechanism whereby the Texas Democratic Party would be required right now to declare Obama ineligible for the Presidency.”

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drkate/2010/04/15/revolution-radio-judge-abbott-tdp-chair–obama-ine
    —–
    All:

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/obama-missouri-ballot-challenge-hector-maldonado-former-us-senate-candidate-combat-veteran-mo-secretary-of-state-challenged-maldonado-in-2010/#comment-226973

  27. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    If I could just inject my view of things:

    Romney is the “next man in line” for the GOP nomination, and in my opinion will be the nominee, ESPECIALLY in a brokered convention, I would expect nothing LESS from the GOP establishment.

    I think everyone knows that my opinion is that there is only ONE candidate who actually wants to stop the insanity that Washington is giving to us.

    Also on the Fast and Furious issue.

    I have come to believe that exactly the opposite will happen from what we are being told. If Boehner is saying he will let the investigation go forward, then it will be stopped in a few weeks.

    There is enough evidence already to demand Holder’s removal, but yet nothing happens.

    I believe that they are ALL “in on it”.

  28. Gordo and coldwarvet, thanks…I remember all the documented democrat caucus fraud in texas during the 08 primaries.

  29. Thanks Gordo…

  30. truthbetold11 | February 14, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    i enter orly taitz laywer she doesnt exist!!! lawyer.com
    ————————————————————————————————–

    Search Obot, she really embarrassed herself today.
    Newt should have had his bodyguards remove her.

  31. Pat 1789
    My sentiments..oh..I already said that today…well…I’ll say it again!

  32. I don’t know if it’s that she’s afraid the U.S. will become like the Soviet Union or she discovered how much money you can make through donations , but in any case, she got on her broom and flew clean off the reservation…

  33. Uh Oh…in moderation…the Obots are probably processing my IP address.
    Sorry guys, if I have a tendency to tell it like it is…my God, they already want to sue me and all I was trying to do was stimulate conversation…lol

  34. aristotlethehun | February 14, 2012 at 8:56 pm |

    Afraid to call a spade a spade Sam?

    We all know the Dentist is a buffoon, and her supporters are a brick shy of a load.

  35. Pat 1789
    Sic ’em Pat….So the law here is a matter of conjecture unless it’s MY interpretation of the law, so let’s run right out and solicit the very same way we criticize others of doing…I’m NOT convinced any of these so-called experts and wanna-be hero, cause-driven rescuers know what they are doing. They all read jbjd it seems though, yet not one of them has even atttempted to do it right…..go to the site Sam, then go tell your attorney to go to the site, if he’s not too busy threat-soliciting donations. A new term : threat-soliciting: the act of threatening a suit in exchange for sizable donations…what a crock…I can’t believe you did it on a legitimate blog such as this. you should be downright embarassed! Sheesh!

  36. Pat 1789 | February 14, 2012 at 8:35 pm |

    truthbetold11 | February 14, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    i enter orly taitz laywer she doesnt exist!!! lawyer.com
    ————————————————————————————————–

    Search Obot, she really embarrassed herself today.
    Newt should have had his bodyguards remove her.
    *************************************************************
    Newt is dropping in the polls, if he wanted a boost for his campaign, he should go after Obama’s lack of NBC status, and lack of eligibility, he would climb to the top of the heap in a hurry, just like Trump did. What has Newt got to lose at this point? If anyone should know the meaning of natural born Citizen, it is Newt.

  37. aristotlethehun | February 14, 2012 at 8:04 pm |

    Kurt Browning resigns as Florida’s secretary of state

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/11/2584639/kurt-browning-resigns-as-floridas.html#storylink=cpy
    ***********************************
    SOS, running for the hills before the fraud breaks wide open, when sheriff Joe informs the world about Mr, Fraudulent.

  38. Bob Strauss
    The problem with what happened at the conference was that, like every other time Orly has approached someone of legal or political stature, she did it inappropriately. Newt might well consider it, but not without a bit of research first and it certainly would not have been appropriate to commit to such a controversial subject in an open forum. You’re right though, he really could use a shot in the arm and it would definitely set him apart from the rest of the field….how far apart?…interesting.

  39. Pat1789, what makes us think that money is going to win the election?
    ===============================
    The thing about Romney is that he’s always had money; doesn’t know what to do without it; can’t seem to get up any steam without it. Now then, in our current climate what is needed is someone who can make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear; someone willing to work, sweat, sacrifice when the filthy lucre just isn’t available…which it isn’t today to be truthful. Soooo, that pretty much guarantees that Romney type will be another one to rely on more money, stimulus, whatever is necessary since he knows no other reality. But there is one who made it with little or no money so far in this race, but put forth a lot of hard work and sacrifice and perseverence and determination.

  40. I have posted a video showing Rick Santorum for what he is , a (R) liberal.
    There are many more, search for yourselves.
    The question is why is Fox news and the rest of the Marxist media covering for him? Why all the lies saying that Rick is a Conservative, he’s not.
    His record is clear. Big Government Liberal Republican.

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-washington-dc/rick-santorum-top-tier-on-most-corrupt-member-of-congress-list-2-years-running#ixzz1mJS9UYpX

  41. observer | February 14, 2012 at 10:07 pm |

    Whats your point?
    You don’t like Mitt because he succeeded in business and made a lot of money?

  42. bob strauss | February 14, 2012 at 9:36 pm |

    Bob, put down the koolaid.
    The Mad Russian is Toxic. If she shows up at a Romney event.
    The Secret Serice will pummel her

  43. “But there is one who made it with little or no money so far in this race, but put forth a lot of hard work and sacrifice and perseverence and determination.”

    You mean Rick S, who’s campaign is 200 grand in the hole. Maybe he should donate some of his own money, So far he has given ZERO.
    His only big donor is some loon cowboy from Nevada or someplace. LOL

  44. A Crazy Old Coot | February 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    Tina | February 14, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    My concern is that Republicans are beating themselves up so much, that we will lose the election in November. Who chose these candidates?
    ///////////////////////////////////////
    The candidates are chosen by “money”. You or I cannot afford the filing fees, much less the cost of traveling the country and paying for the ads.

    ——————

    I agree, Coot.

    And I agree with the other comments that they are ALL in on it. They make me sick.

  45. Afraid to call a spade a spade Sam?

    There is a joke in there some where.

    No I am trying to draw out Orly. She is avoiding a confrontation with Dean.

  46. Sorry guys, if I have a tendency to tell it like it is

    No, you don’t know how it is. You have a tendency to shoot your mouth off about things you don’t understand

  47. aristotle the hun
    Believe me friend, I know more than you will ever know….about how it is .
    That includes clowns like you who have been making a living sliming money out of an unsuspecting public. By the way, have you ever heard of cyber bullying? Hope CW isn’t tracking what and how you’ve been communicating lately. Go ahead, beat on your chest, and we’ll see what happens down the road. That’s just…how it is…sorry if it doesn’t set well.
    I will give you this much, however, if you do, in fact prevail in your little endeavor, I will be the first to congratulate you….we’ll just have to see now won’t we?

  48. Can’t we all agree that Orlly’s “gig” has run its course? Bob’s contributions here are very important and well thought out. Because of his Orly support, I give her credence. I have to admit, her schtick is wearing thin. Why won’t she address Dean? Rhetorical, I guess – if you knew you were going to die in Dallas, you would never go to Dallas…..

  49. Pat 1789 | February 14, 2012 at 10:31 pm |

    You mean Rick S, who’s campaign is 200 grand in the hole. Maybe he should donate some of his own money, So far he has given ZERO.
    His only big donor is some loon cowboy from Nevada or someplace. LOL
    ==================================
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_Friess

    Foster Friess was born in 1940 in Rice Lake, Wisconsin, a small town of five thousand people. His father was a horse and cattle dealer with a high school education and his mother dropped out of school in the eighth grade to save her family from bankruptcy by picking cotton.. on the family farm in Texas. As a high school student, Friess held a variety of leadership positions, including valedictorian, class president, and captain of the basketball, track, golf and baseball teams.

    snip….A first-generation college graduate……..was named one of the “ten most outstanding senior men

    snip….After graduating from the University of Wisconsin, Foster trained to be an infantry platoon leader and served as the intelligence officer for the First Guided Missile Brigade, Fort Bliss, Texas.

    snip….Foster Friess has been an active patron of a number of religious and conservative causes.

    snip….Friess has also donated $100,000 to Governor of Wisconsin Scott Walker to help defeat the Democrats’ recall effort in 2011. In addition, he has reportedly donated more than $3 million to the conservative commentator Tucker Carlson’s The Daily Caller website.

  50. My apologies to the people on this blog…direct provocation will normally get a direct response. Just remember…just because something is not illegal doesn’t mean it’s ethical or right in it’s nature. You’ll all be able to judge these things for yourselves shortly anyway.
    Believe me when I say that there is no one in this world that would rather see Obama go down. I am just getting tired of seeing people getting rich off of our grief.

  51. Observer 11:38 pm
    Thanks for setting the record straight about the alleged “loon cowboy”!
    Foster Friess has a very impressive scholastic, business, and military life. He has been successful in every way.
    It is amazing how off track one can get when one tries to prove his own case in any way possible. Rick has done more with the small amount of money he has had than anyone could ever conceive. That speaks volumes to me. He is more conservative than Romney ever has been. My opinion, of course.

  52. Aristotle the Hun is a good patriot who has enriched many here. He deserves to be respected accordingly. None of us can be certain now as to the outcome of the efforts in FL and CA. We are in a state of flux at this point, but I know that Sam Sewell (Aristotle the Hun) is not a money grabber. He is sincere in his efforts and wants to do any and everything possible to help us get rid of the present regime. I’ve been accused before of being a “preacher”, but this time I wear the badge with honor. 😆

  53. Cabby
    Duly noted…notice, I did apologize to anyone I had offended…I am yet to be impressed however.

  54. The real MITTENS…..MAYBE??????

    Still Voting For ‘Mitt Romney’?

  55. From CDR Kirschner’s blog
    Susan Daniels Discloses New Evidence Orly Taitz Refused To Allow Presented At Georgia Hearing
    Listen to video interview of Susan Daniels, Private Investigator, and an expert witness at the GA hearing: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/02/susan-daniels-discloses-new-evidence.html

  56. coldwarvet, I hear you and understand your position, but know that Sam Sewell is not a perpetrator. If anyone could be questioned, I would include Larry Klayman in that category, because of knowledge of his past endeavors.

    Yes, ever since the Clinton years Klayman has pursued a number of legal cases which seemed to have merit, but they dragged on for years and never did seem to do any discernible good unfortunately. I decided to quit contributing to that cause years ago. I am not saying that it was because Klayman’s heart wasn’t in the right place or that he was incompetent. Maybe this time it will be different but I can’t take that chance.

  57. Cabby
    Larry Klayman is a lawyer, a natural arbitor of fact….they love this stuff!
    If it drags on for years, so what, he still makes money….so, where do these donations go? Orly can tell you…. it starts as a trickle….

  58. For what it is worth…………..
    CALIFORNIA BAR ASSOCIATION

    Orly Taitz …….Active…….Member# 223433,,,,Rancho Santa Margarite….December 2002.
    ————————————————————————————————
    California Supreme Court….Lawyer Disciplinary Commission.

    NO RECORD OF WRONG DOING,OR FORMAL COMPLAINTS OF WRONGDOING EXIST.
    CALIFORNIA BAR ASSOCIATION—LAWYER DISCIPLINARY ARM
    NO RECORDS OF WRONG DOING, OR COMPLAINTS AGAINST ORLY TAITZ EXIST.

  59. If anyone has proof of wrongdoing against Orly you must file your complaint to the California bar association. If you have have absolute proof of wrong doing by Orly then you need to file a complaint against her via the either the California Supreme Court (Disciplinary Commissionary ) or the California bar Association. If she has ripped people off then they need to get a complaint filed very soon. Jump right in…….be the FIRST to file a complaint against Orly, then see what happens.

  60. ……..be ready to PROVE your allegations beyond any reasonable doubt.

  61. PRO HAC VICE………..ANY LAWYER any where in the US may apply to represent a client in another state even though that lawyer might not have a membership to the bar association of that state,or hold licensure to practice law in that state.

  62. I know it is nasty business. I also know the dangers of ignoring problems.

    Let me make a simile. I recently had to disassociate myself from one of my distributors. She worked very hard but she was always looking to kill a mastodon and be a hero. She would not do the grunt work. Not only that every thing she touched went wrong. She had the merde touch. She didn’t produce. She worked very hard to get praise but did little to advance our business. She would spend hours researching topics and insist on telling us about how brilliant her research was rather than talking to customers. In meetings she always took center stage. In short she was more trouble than she was worth. It was difficult for me to do the right thing. She so pathetically needed to be a mover and shaker that I knew she would probably have serious emotional problems when I told her what we needed to do. She needed therapy more than she needed a distributorship.

    She had many of the same traits most of us see in Obama. This might also help explain why Dean has decided that he needs to take action:

    Narcissistic DSM IV Criteria
    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
    (1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
    (2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    (3) believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
    (4) requires excessive admiration
    (5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
    (6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
    (7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
    (8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
    (9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

  63. oldsalt79
    The disciplinary arm of the California Bar is an independent investigatory agency. Upon reciept of a complaint, they will send you a form to fill out which then becomes a part of the record. At the time of filing of the proper form there is a complaint entered in the record fo the attorney. At that time the board initiates an investigation into the allegations of the complainant. You may or may not receive a report of the findings of the board and they may or may not sanction the attorney. Attorneys pay into a fund which may even pay damages to an injured party. it is entirely at the discretion of the board…. attorneys hate this …ask me how I know.

  64. The FL plan is to file an injunction so that the process will not be prolonged. In other words the decision must be made before Obama appears on the ballot in FL. Thanks for watching my back Cabby

    Here is another article about Klayman and our efforts.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/02/obama-ballot-battle-continues.html

  65. PRO HAC VICE………Rule IA:4

  66. BYE BYE God Bless!

  67. Coldwarvet……………
    I already know about how the disciplinary commission works. I have known this for over 40 years.

  68. Before I shut down I will take a minute to commend Orly for what she ALONE done. Even though she was largely unsuccessful she at least should be applauded for having the courage to stand and fight. I didn’t see ANYONE ELSE helping her. Allegedly a SCHOOL teacher with a JURIS degree tried to help her. Be that as it may the school teacher so far as I know didn’t volunteer to join Orly. All the school teacher did was try to teach Orly about law…….something which she already holds a degree in. So maybe there is room for condemnation elsewhere besides Orly.

  69. Recently I read about something which has angered me to the core,and it should anger anyone who reads about it. An Amish farmer who lived in close proximity to a state line was recently sued by the ICC for marketing his products over state lines. This was things like produce, and raw unpastuerised milk. Dairy farmers have sold RAW untasteurised raw milk to milk product companies for nearly a century. Of late the raw milk is picked up by a bulk truck rather than the farmer having to transport it himself. Just because the Amish farmer saw fit to transport a product across a state line he was sued and was forced to stop pursuing his livlihood. Because he now HAS NO INCOME he was forced to sell his farm ground. He has children,and a wife to support,and he has a right to sell his products on the open market. Thousands of dairy farmers as well as produce farmers,REGULARLY sell products across state lines. What the hell is wrong with the SLIMEY LITTLE BASTARDS who perpetrated such a lawsuit. This REEKS of WH stench. Something to do with the alleged pure food laws which were recently imposed upon such farmers, and people who grow their own produce, and raise their own pork,and beef.

  70. Therein lies one of the primary reasons why food costs is going through the roof. The DO GOODER YUPPIES think that produce should grow ALREADY CANNED right off the plant. And it shouldn’t be harvested unless there is a FULL MOON. The people who write SUCH IDIOTIC LAWS should be required to work as laborers in a farm field for at least 5 years before they are awarded a juris degree. Another coming insane law is if a produce field has had any river water flood across it no matter how insignificant the whole crop must be destroyed. This is sheer insanity.

  71. An Excerpt from her article…..pass this info on about the INsantorum FRAUD….

    THE PHONY RIGHTWING

    By Kelleigh Nelson
    February 15, 2012
    NewsWithViews.com

    Rick Santorum, Part 3

    “Conclusion

    Recently someone commented to me they felt some of the GOP candidates had changed and were much more conservative because of what they were saying in the debates. I had to laugh! What they say and what they do are two totally different things. The American electorate would do well to research the voting records of these candidates rather than listening to their pre-election lies. The package they’re presenting prior to the elections is totally different than what you’ll get after they’re elected. Jesus himself said, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.” Matthew 7:15-16.”

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Nelson/kelleigh146.htm

  72. Good Morning CW et. al.

  73. Good morning Zach, et al.

  74. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    jacqlynsmith | February 15, 2012 at 6:18 am |

    Jesus himself said, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.” Matthew 7:15-16.”
    _________________________________________

    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” – Benjamin Franklin

    http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/poor_richard.html

  75. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    PS – Read the rest of his quotes (BF’s). They have all come true.

  76. U.S. Federal Reserve vs U.S. Military

    by Tom Heneghan, International Intelligence Expert

    Tuesday February 14, 2012

    UNITED STATES of America – It can now be reported that the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve has now been fingered (thanks to great American patriot Congressman Ron Paul of Texas) of printing counterfeit U.S. currency using a privately owned hedge fund tied to the rogue London LIFFE Exchange. The name of the hedge fund is Brevan Howard LLC.

    Naturally there is a direct tie in to the corrupt derivative clearing house headquartered in the United States, Maiden Lane LLC.

    P.S. Forty-five (45) minutes before the close of the U.S. stock market today, the sociopath Fed Chairman Bernard Shalom Bernanke injected $1.2 BILLION worth of cross-collateralized, illegal derivatives tied to the London LIFFE Exchange and the Brevan Howard hedge fund to buy U.S. stock and EURO currency futures.

    Note: What Bernanke did, folks, is actually raid the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund, as well as the U.S. Treasury, to commit financial TREASON of the highest order.

    Reference: Global regulators working with patriotic U.S. Treasury agents have fingered Brevan Howard LLC, as well as Maiden Lane LLC, and Citibank of New York and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in illegally manipulating interest rate futures aka the British libor rate.

    The manipulation of the interest rate futures, with the enabling of the corrupt, privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve, was designed to artificially weaken the U.S. dollar, as to protect the derivative holdings of none other than Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan.

    P.P.S. Bernanke, along with TREASONOUS U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, are busy blackmailing major broker dealers to buy U.S. Treasury bonds and stock index futures or lose their license to conduct business.

    P.P.P.S. Remember, folks, that all of this interjection of alleged funds are designed to destroy the U.S. currency on behalf of Bernanke’s handlers, the financial banking terrorists Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan.

    The alleged funds are not cash, they are nothing more than paper derivatives and I.O.U.s. Again, there is NO real cash in any of these transactions, there is just hocus pocus electronic frequency trading tied to bogus derivatives with quantum computers controlled by the corrupt privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank (ECB) running the Ponzi Scheme.

    Item: The blackbird’s neck will soon break and the blackbird will shit all over both the Federal Reserve and the ECB.

    I repeat, there is NO liquidity in the system. It is nothing more than bogus derivatives that have no value whatsoever.

    A large percentage of the U.S. military, including former Iraq Commander, General Petraeus, are ready to arrest you unless you cease and desist in what you are doing, which is to destroy the American middle class on the behalf of the financial terrorist organizations, Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan.

    Finally a personal message to the People of Greece:

    It is time to bring in the guillotines and the picks and overthrow the corrupt government of your nation that is taking orders from the corrupt Deutsche Bank linked to the Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate and the Nazi bag lady, German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    http://www.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel/blog

  77. The SI swimsuit edition shows how the liberals have wrecked our society. They demean women and have few morals. People care about their own pleasure and often sacrifice little for others. Look how we put our senior citizens in nursing homes to waste away. We need a conservative to bring back values to America.

  78. Back on Feb 9, I talked about the “curious” debate topic of contraception. I figured it was a trial balloon and that it proves the media is working together with the WH in their efforts to “play” the citizenry.

    Now in light of the Media Matters controversy, some of the pundits agree with me.

    http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/02/13/dick-morris-accuses-george-stephanopoulos-being-paid-democratic-hitma

  79. http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21496
    there are some very revealing facts consolidated here concerning the character of Larry Klayman with additional information concerning problems in Florida that have to do with his law license.
    Personally, I would be very cautious how often I hit my PayPal button
    when it comes to supporting this guy…

  80. I realize that for goodness sake is an Obot site but I’m not too particular where I get my info as long as it isn’t false. Further research has born this out. Klayman has been indicted in Ohio for criminal non-support of his two children to the tune of $78,000. He also has been sanctioned in Florida for fraudulent activity… appears to be problems also in California…and in the process of bankruptcy…just sayin’
    If anyone can refute this, please let me know.

  81. ” I would be very cautious how often I hit my PayPal button
    when it comes to supporting this guy…”

    We don’t use PayPal because of their political decisions. The Article II Legal defense Fund is not administered by Larry Klayman and existed before Larry Joined out team. http://www.article2legaldefensefund.com/ If you wish to support the fund you can specify how you want the money used.

    Now you have really irked me. You publish propaganda from an obot site to sabotage our project. Larry has been vetted inside and out by an ex-CIA agent friend of mine and a U.S. Attorney. Other posters here are aware of my background with the Intelligence community. Larry has been a member in good standing with the Florida Bar for 35 years continuously, and was never suspended or disciplined. The stuff that does show up in his record is minor and mostly related to his divorce. As a marriage and family counselor I have learned to exclude ex-spouses as a way of judging character.

    If I had your real name I could send you a very detailed report on your background in less than 48 Hours.

    I will agree that fully vatting someone before sending them money is a good idea. Of course I fully checked him out before I sent him $5,080 dollars. I don’t trust lawyers in general. I never sent Orly anything. BTW the extra $80 came from a Mensa buddy who is private investigator who also checked out Larry.

    If your intentions are honorable and your comment was simply mistaken I suggest you contact me personally for further validation of our organization and Larry Klayman. After that you can publish a retraction on this forum and maybe make a financial contribution to our effort to make up for your damaging comments.

  82. CW – have you checked out this cold war vet guy?

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

    False Flag PSYOPS agents

    Patriot Lisa and All American Joe are “false flag” agents who feign loyalty to the cause they are attempting to harm,

    Patriot Lisa will post a message on a conservative blog similar to this, “I want to get rid of Obama as much as the next person but all I see here is racism and hatred. We are never going to get rid of Obama with right wing rants and tin foil hat conspiracy theories. There is no use in even trying. We lost and the best thing to do is just adjust and wait for the next election.”

    All American Joe will post, “We need to get torches and pitchforks and march on the White House. Obama is a Muslim Black Power Manchurian Candidate for everything that is evil in the world. If I had my way his own Secret Service detail would do America a favor and take Obama out.”

    Then Patriot Lisa and All American Joe will get into an argument that detracts from all serious debate, ruining the experience for reasonable people, and giving the forum a bad reputation. Patriot Lisa and All American Joe will share private messages to compare tactics, chuckle, and congratulate each other at how good they are at their jobs.

    #Ask yourself if the message you are reading serves the goals of your cause.# Not all misguided people are Obama’s PSYOPS agents. However their activity can damage your cause even if that is not their motive. Confront these attitudes and offer suggestions about what kind of thinking does make a contribution and is part of the solution. If they insist on posting damaging comments they probably are Obama’s PSYOPS agents rather than simply misguided.

    “False flag” PSYOPS agents are just one type of Internet propaganda specialist.

  83. NEW YORK – A top Democrat, apparently operating with the full approval and cooperation of the president, has been directing a team of up to 100 who are paid to publish disinformation on a wide variety of websites to discredit “birthers,” according to anti-Obama researchers. The radical supporters of the president, known as Obama robots, or “OBOTs” for short, have confirmed their White House-appointed ring leader is Democratic Party operative James A. Johnson, the former chairman of Fannie Mae.

    Of course the come to Citizen Wells!

    Obama will be exposed –Don’t get caught on the wrong side of this issue.

  84. Aristotle
    What exactly are you refuting? I understand that there is a lot of propaganda out there. As I said in my post, I have done further in-depth checking, and I didn’t have to go far. Believe me, I would never use an Obot site for anything except what information I thought was true. That is why I identified it as an Obot site to begin with. It was a reference from another site. My intent is that everyone should do their own checking and make up their own mind.
    I don’t believe I have forwarded anything which is untrue. If it is, it can certainly and easily be found other places on the internet. It was not a comment about you personally. I believe your intentions may be honorable, however I do not know you personally as with anyone else out there on the internet….I do check. Especially when someone is asking for money.
    By printing a retraction, I would be saying that what is available on the internet is untrue. I don’t believe it is.

  85. Defamation by innuendo is not honorable.

  86. “Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.” – Romans 14:19 (NIV)

    my 2 cents

  87. No, that is worth lots more than 2 cents.

  88. Aristotle
    YOU, my friend, are the one here by allusions to conspiracy theory, casting aspersion by appeal to CW, insults,and ad hominem attacks, have led me to believe even more that there are things you don’t want to be known which might serve to threaten your cause. You have threatened me with suit, CIA contact investigation, and a host of other insinuations that are serving no real purpose but to expose your underlying character. Incidently, you have not refuted categoically which allegations I have put forth are untrue. If you like, I believe there are a host of other sites carrying this information that I would be more than glad to list. You can’t sue everyone.
    You might note also that I have not threatened you with anything, nor called you names, nor even necessarily disagreed with you.

  89. Cabby,
    Are you doing OK? I think I speak for many here when I express my concern for what you’ve been going through. Please update us.

  90. MMMMMSSSSS. SMITH…………….The correct spelling of the Commander’s name is KErschner, not KIrschner.

  91. …………I offerred this not out of anger,just to correct. I do a lot of typos myself. I hold a great deal of respect for the Commander,and it is only natural that I would offer the correct spelling. Again, no offense just correction. Have a good day!

  92. Bye Bye now…….. time to put on the feed bag.

  93. You might note also that I have not threatened you with anything, nor called you names, nor even necessarily disagreed with you.

    How does it feel to eviscerated by innuendo. I didn’t threaten anything. Neither did you. It was all done with innuendo. See what nastiness can occur when you just hint at something. Maybe next time you will be more careful about your nasty hints.

  94. Democrat Ballot Challenger called as he was walking out of the court house in Tallahassee

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/02/democrat-ballot-challenger-called-as-he.html

  95. TSgt Melvin Kaster of 17SFS.

    OK, you passed the sniff test. We are both better off cooperating than being in conflict. Now please sign on to our project rather than letting your cop paranoia do a disservice to a noble cause.

  96. TSgt Melvin Kaster of 17SFS.

    OK, you passed the sniff test. We are both better off cooperating than being in conflict. Now please sign on to our project rather than letting your cop paranoia do a disservice to a noble cause.

  97. Pingback: NC Truth Team, Citizen Wells provides facts for Obama Truth Team and Republicans, North Carolina jobs unemployment hardships, No more lies | Citizen WElls

  98. Pingback: NC unemployment rates under George Bush Democrat Congress and Barack Obama, 4.5 percent when Bush took office, 4.7 percent when Democrats took both houses | Citizen WElls

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