Michael Isikoff Orwellian spin or lies?, Dr. Fukino interview?, NBC News report, Obama birth certificate, Long form lies
“Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed
–if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into
history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the
Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past.”…George Orwell, “1984″
Thank God there are intelligent people like Donald Trump who can see through the Orwellian lies being spun about Obama and his birth certificate deficiency and other eligibility issues. Recently Michael Isikoff reported an alleged interview of former Hawaii Health Dept. Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino, who herself has either been misquoted or has been lying or extremely confused. Note in the article there is no mention of the reporter name or date of the interview. Here are a few Orwellian snippets.
“The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama’s original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is “real” and denounced “conspiracy theorists” in the so-called “birther” movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.”
My Response: There may be a real birth certificate on file. We are anxiously awaiting a certified copy for confirmation of location of birth.
“Even Fukino accepts that her comments are not likely to end the matter for the die-hard birthers. Trump and other skeptics have questioned why the original birth certificate has not been released.
But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.
“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.””
My Response: This is loaded with lies & Orwellian misinformation.
A COLB can be obtained for a non Hawaii birth. There has been no official verification that the COLB place on the internet was obtained from Hawaii.
Here is the latest big Orwellian lie being spread. “state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.”
Common sense dictates that the actual birth certificate filed with the state cannot be released. A certified copy with details will suffice. This will resonate with most people who, like myself, were required to produce a certified copy of my original birth certificate for activities like Little League Baseball.
From World Net Daily April 11, 2011.
“Moreover, on Oct. 13, 2010, a contributor with the username “Danae” posted on FreeRepublic.com a copy of her long-form birth certificate originally issued in 1969, but which the Hawaii Department of Health mailed to her on Sept. 28, 2010, after she paid a $10 fee.”
“To verify her transaction, she also posted a receipt she was sent Sept. 28, 2010, by the Hawaii state agency, documenting the $10 fee to get her long-form, hospital-generated certificate.”
“Because of the obvious questions raised by the statements of Hawaii officials defending the secrecy of Obama’s birth records, “Danae” followed up with a photograph of her original long-form, hospital-generated certificate of live birth side-by-side with the copy she was sent.”
“She went even further, posting an image of both of those documents along with a short-form COLB, similar to the one presented by Obama’s campaign, that she also had asked the Hawaii Department of Health to produce:”
“”Danae” obtained her long-form, hospital-generated certificate of birth to win a $200 bet with another FreeRepublic participant operating under the username “STARWISE.” STARWISE dared someone to prove he or she could get a long-form birth certificate from the Hawaii DOH after 2001, when the Hawaii DOH went electronic and agency spokeswoman Janice Okubo claimed they quit issuing such documents.
In fact, the Hawaii Revised Statutes, Paragraph 38-13(a) specifies that the agency “shall, upon request, furnish an applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.” Further, subparagraph C allows that copies of birth certificates “may be made by photograph, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.”
Further, according to a report in “The Post & Email” blog by Miki Booth, others have gotten long-form documents from Hawaii, too.
“When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that – a “Certificate of Live Birth,” not the same as Obama’s. Different titles and different information. Obama’s is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport – Mother’s State/Country of Birth and Father’s State/Country of Birth,” she wrote.
Further, she wrote about the experience of a friend, whose name was not revealed, just this year. She released an image of a “Certificate of Live Birth” that appears to be a long-form document with much additional detail not included in a short-form “Certification of Live Birth.”
She said the long-form “Certificate of Live Birth” was obtained from Hawaii in March 2011.”
What about these statements from Neil Abercrombie, the Governor of Hawaii, and Tim Adams, an election official in Honolulu in 2008.
From World Net Daily.
“Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama’s birth that someone had made in the state archives.
“It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down,” Abercrombie said.”
“The former Hawaii elections official who maintains there’s no long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama in the Aloha State is now saying the president and his aides have been “caught fibbing” about Obama’s background, and the “embarrassing” situation is making it difficult to fess up to the truth.
President Barack Obama in the Oval Office April 4, 2011
Tim Adams, who was senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu during the 2008 campaign, made the statements in a two-hour interview with a group looking to disprove claims made by so-called birthers, those challenging Obama’s legal qualification to be president.”
“But Adams, who described himself as “pretty much a liberal” who backed Hillary Clinton in the campaign, thinks the president should produce a long-form birth certificate if he has one, even if it contains information that does not go along with the narrative proffered so far by Obama and his surrogates.”
“Adams burst onto the national scene last June after claiming his superiors at the elections office in Honolulu checked with the state health department and local hospitals, only to find out that none had Obama’s long-form birth certificate, a document specifying the hospital where he was born and the attending physician.
Tim Adams, the former senior elections clerk for Honolulu in 2008
While not having access to Hawaii Department of Health birth records, Adams says his office had access to numerous databases to verify people’s identities, including the Social Security database, driver’s licenses, passports, tax and banking records, police files and the national crime computer.
He said elections officials themselves have been embarrassed by the disclosure about accessing criminal records, saying, “They were not happy about it when they found out about it.”
He has since signed an affidavit swearing to his allegations.”
“The radio hosts suggested that Janice Okubo, the public information officer for the state health department had previously vouched for the authenticity of the COLB, though in reality she has refused to do so. But Adams maintained the online scanned image is fraudulent.
Adams was asked, “So you’re calling Janice Okubo a liar?”
“Yes,” Adams responded, “if she’s saying that that document that is sitting out there on the Internet is an actual document because we can prove it’s not in about 30 seconds. Because it’s altered.””