Illinois anti voter fraud campaign, Tea Party, Republicans, Chalice, Citizen Wells open thread, October 19. 2010

Illinois anti voter fraud campaign, Tea Party, Republicans, Chalice

“The past, he reflected, had not merely been altered, it had
actually been destroyed. For how could you establish, even
the most obvious fact when there existed no record outside
your own memory?”…George Orwell, “1984″

From Mother Jones October 18, 2010.

“The Tea Party Will Be Watching You”

“Republican groups and tea party activists unite to block Democrats…err, voter fraud, at the polls.”

“When the Illinois Republican Party launched its anti-voter-fraud crusade this year, party leaders knew who they could count on to whip up a fervor about rigged elections. Together with a conservative political action committee, the state GOP has teamed up with a infamous anti-Obama birther who’s helped to recruit tea party activists to oversee the vote as official poll workers and independent poll watchers—part of a campaign against election fraud (real or imagined) that’s being whipped up by Republican leaders and activists across the country.

Every election season, the right revives its battle against voter fraud, depicting it as a rampant threat to honest electoral outcomes. (See the previous assault on ACORN, the beleaguered community organizing oufit.) This year, the Republicans have a tea party army on hand to fight this supposed peril. And they’ve taken their campaign a step further. Political parties and outside groups typically dispatch independent poll watchers to keep tabs on any suspicious activity. However, recruiting activists to serve as election judges and poll workers—the people who actually administer the vote at polling stations and are responsible for ensuring that election laws are enforced—is not a routine practice. But that’s what’s happening this year in Illinois, Texas, and elsewhere, with the GOP looking to tea party and conservative grassroots activists to fill key slots.”

“In Minnesota, the North Star Tea Party Patriots have teamed up with two other conservative groups to spearhead a far-reaching anti-fraud operation to recruit and train spotters at the polls, offering $500 for tips leading to voter fraud convinctions. In Illinois, meanwhile, the state GOP has joined with a political action committee called Illinois Republican Renaissance to form an “election fraud prevention task force” that aims to turn right-wing grassroots activists into official election workers and privately paid watchdogs. “As you know, ballot integrity will be a key ingredient to our success, and we need your help,” GOP state chair Pat Brady says on the party’s website. This effort has placed Brady in league with one of the tea party movement’s more unusual characters. The project’s coordinator, Sharon Meroni, is an infamous anti-Obama birther who filed objections against 32 Illinois candidates for failing to provide adequate documentation of their citizenship.

Meroni, who blogs under the pseudonym “Chalice Jackson,” also helped launch a petition demanding Obama’s resignation for “high crimes and misdemeanors.” “Who truly would have believed…that there was ANY chance America could be in the hands of a usurper government?” she wrote in another court filing to contest Obama’s citizenship, which the McHenry County Grand Jury dismissed. Meroni is now helping to select the election judges—as official poll workers are called in Illinois—and poll watchers that the joint project will dispatch on Election Day. (Campaigns have jumped on board the Illinois Republican Party’s effort as well: In a secretly recorded private conference call, GOP Senate candidate Mark Kirk said he was pushing to deploy “lawyers and other people” to two predominantly black Chicago neighborhoods to oversee the voting process.)”

“Conservatives do point to a handful of isolated incidents to gin up fears about voting shenanigans. In Texas, an 81-year-old San Antonio woman has been charged with using her dead sister’s identity to vote in 2008. In the Houston area, a tea party-linked non-profit called True the Vote claims to have discovered “most likely tens of thousands, of incomplete, inaccurate, or false voter registration” in one of the city’s poorest black neighborhoods. (The progressive group facilitating the effort has acknowledged that a small number of the registrations were faulty.) In Missouri, a group of Somali immigrant voters was accused of receiving improper assistance during the primary election this year. But while election experts acknowledge that voter fraud certainly exists, some point out that only a tiny handful of fraud cases have ever been proven. And they say conservative activists risk suppressing or intimidating eligible voters by hyping the potential fraud.”

“But there are already warning signs that tea party-related anti-fraud efforts could slip into dirty tricks territory. In Wisconsin, the state Republican Party had been accused of plotting with local tea party groups to disenfranchise voters whose ballots were returned because of a wrong address—an illegal technique known as “vote-caging.” Given the polarized political climate, overzealous activists working the polls could end up overstepping the bounds, intentionally or not. Referring to the GOP and tea party efforts to recruit poll watchers and workers, Wendy Weiser of the Brennan Center for Justice says, “We haven’t sent this degree of heightened activity for years. It’s just a higher risk situation for voters.””

Read more:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/10/voter-fraud-tea-party

“We haven’t sent this degree of heightened activity for years. It’s just a higher risk situation for voters.”

Wendy Weiser, et al, allow me to jog your memory.

I will not waste time on the obvious Orwellian (and probably Alinsky) style comments in this article designed to divert attention away from the intent of poll watchers, to make them appear as having more sinister motives. I will respond to the following statement made about Chalice:

“The project’s coordinator, Sharon Meroni, is an infamous anti-Obama birther who filed objections against 32 Illinois candidates for failing to provide adequate documentation of their citizenship.”

I have known Chalice for several years, spoken to her on a number of occasions and been a guest on her radio show. She consistently comes across as a concerned American, who believes in the US Constitution and rule of law, like most of you. She deeply cares about this country and has fought bravely and persistently to save it. The far left continues to smear good people like Chalice and elevate and defend the likes of Obama, a usurper and Chicago Pay to Play corrution crony.

By the way, have you seen any Tea Party members carrying a night stick lately?

30 responses to “Illinois anti voter fraud campaign, Tea Party, Republicans, Chalice, Citizen Wells open thread, October 19. 2010

  1. Philo-Publius

    Good morning CW and everyone.

    The right to voter fraud
    http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/23053

    As I said in yesterday’s topic, I’m sure its in the Constitution somewhere…we just need to wait for a judge to find it!!!

  2. Philo-Publius

    It’s official: The Obama administration has now borrowed $3 trillion, according to the U.S. Treasury Department.

    It took from 1776, when the United States became an independent country, until 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell signaling victory in the Cold War, for the federal government to accumulate a total of $3 trillion in debt, according to the Treasury Department. It only took from Jan. 20, 2009, the day President Barack Obama was inaugurated, until Oct. 15, 2010, for the Obama administration to add $3 trillion to the federal debt.
    http://tinyurl.com/2aj39ex

  3. Philo-Publius

    VFW Dissolves Board Of Its Political Action Committee

    Endorsing liberal Democrats over honest to God war heroes wasn’t exactly a winning plan. After much outrage the National Commander of the VFW has decided to withdraw the appointments of the PAC Board of Directors.
    http://minx.cc/?post=307027

  4. The VFW and VFW’s Ladies Auxiliary has also pulled all its funding from the PAC over Boxer support …….

  5. Philo-Publius

    My question is why didn’t the VFW review these endorsements before they were allowed to be given.

    Barbara Boxer, Alcee Hastings, Barbara Lee, Steny Hoyer, Barbara Mikulsky, Chris VanHollen, John Dingell, Chuckie Schumer, Pat Leahy, Patty Murray and Ron Klein over Lt. Colonel Allen West.

    A gang of well known socialists who are all anti-military and they get an endorsement???

  6. Good post CW….and good morning fellow citizens from the beautiful state of North Carolina

    I went to vote yesterday and would like to share the following with you this morning.

    As my wife and I approached the polling place ,about 30 years away, three or four poll workers approached us with materials about their candidates.
    I was wearing my black baseball cap that read “Retired Military-US Army”.

    As these poll workers approached us, the male saluted me and said, “thank you for your service sir”. My reply was “your welcome”.

    Then a chubby little lady got in my face a started talking about her candidate. I stopped her and ask “Is your candidate a Democrat or Republican?” She said he was a democrat. I then told her, she didn’t have to say anything more. I have no intentions of voting for anyone with a D behind their names.

    This didn’t seem to satisfy her and she continued telling me how great he was. Again I stopped her and said, “Lady you have a lot of gaul, standing there telling me how great your democrats are. I would like to remind you that it is your democrats in Congress and that Muslin president they cling to and put into our White House that has put this country in the shape it’s in now. Between the lot of them, they have almost bankrupt my country. So get out of my face and take your crap somewhere else. I don’t want to hear any more”.

    Then the male poll worker again saluted me ( I’m not sure if it was out of respect for service, or fear of what I had said to the chubby lady). Again, I smiled and saluted him back, asking, “Are you a democrat or republican”?

    He said he too was a democrat. I said, “Well I don’t have anything to say to you either”. I then said, “Partner, I strongly suggest you change your party association before November 2.” He replied, “I might just do that sir”.

    Then the third lady, who was waiting patiently smiling and listening all the time, handed me some materials. I then ask her if she was a democrat or republican. She said, “Oh sir, I’m a republican, look at my elephant”. I took her materials and we chatted a while.

    Then the wife and I walked on toward the polling doors. The wife turned to me and said, “Sweetie, you were just a little hard on that Democrat lady, wasn’t you?”

    My reply was, “Not at all my dear. My 27 years in the United States Army Infantry has gaven me lot of good training on how to “chew ass -with meaning”, and it would have been much worse had you not been with me.” She smiled, I smiled. We went to vote.

    On the way back to our car after voting, the same people were still hawking for votes, and the wife and I had to pass them again. I smiled, waved my REPUBLICAN materials at the lady who had been so helpful to us. She gave us a knowing smile and nodded her head.

    The chubby lady turned her back on me and pretended not to see me again. I smile and thought, “this is one time I get to make the fat lady sing!”

    Just another short note. My wife is from the most liberal state in the union, Minn. Before coming south to live, she had many semi- liberal views. But there is nothing running through my body but “Hot Southern Conservative Blood”.

    My wife told me on the way to our car that she didn’t vote for a single democrat! I said, “GREAT, I’m going to recommend you for a medal!”

    I closing this post, I cannot help but think of what NERO use to say before the start of any of his bloodbaths in ancient Rome (from where I have just recently returned)…..’LET THE GAMES BEGIN!”

  7. As soon as the vote fraud criminals are caught it should be reported on the internet and presented to State Criminal Grand Juries.

    Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”

    Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320

  8. Philo and D.A.V…….

    I dis-joined myself from the VFW and the American Legion many years ago….

    Any organization that claims to have the interest of this country, and the soldiers/sailors/airmen/and marines who have served or or serving it at heart, but steadfastly REFUSES to speak out against the treason sitting in our White House, doesn’t deserve or need my support.

  9. FOX NEWS – RED EYE
    Greg Gutfeld – Chris Matthews Idea Of Humanity Is Missing As Much As Obama’s Birth Certificate

  10. The Democrat party is up to it’s usual tricks again –

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Democrats are making a pre-election pitch to give Social Security recipients a one-time payment of $250, part of a larger effort to convince senior voters that their party, and not Republicans, will best look out for the 58 million people who get the government retirement and disability benefits.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101019/D9IUNITO0.html

  11. @ms. helga

    Do you still live in Delaware ?

  12. Philo-Publius | October 19, 2010 at 9:48 am |
    A gang of well known socialists who are all anti-military and they get an endorsement???
    ***************************************************************
    Philo-Publius, It seems like the socialists have wormed their way into every facet of politics. They are everywhere, and when Obama stole the election via fraud, the socialists came out of the woodwork, emboldened by their success at stealing the election.

    The responses given by our representatives to letters about Obama’s eligibility leads me to believe the support staff of these representatives may be socialist infiltrators. The same seems to be true of the clerks at the SCOTUS, and the former Solicitor General, Elena Kagen. They are everywhere.

  13. Instead of staying at the White House and working on the Economy and helping the unemployed Obama has spent more time on Vacations and playing Golf, now he is Campaigning for all the losers who back stabbed us. Campaigning is like another Vacation for him and Michelle.

  14. All the people like us are We, and everyone else is They.

    -Rudyard Kipling

  15. RMin NC………………………………….
    Good morning SIR. Judging from your comment you really had an enjoyable day out. When I was in boot camp Iused to think that my company Commander (A NAVY CPO),had to be some relative to a MARINE DI. He even SOUNDED LIKE ONE.! It wasn’t very long before I came to realise the reason behind it all. It was in part designed to WEED OUT THE WEAK people. We watched a few “GO OVER THE HILL” They could easily have been DEMOCRATIC. I too salute you!

  16. Anyone who thinks that what is going on in the US is just child’s play had better think again. There is an ever increasing level of anger amongst people of ALL ages with regard to the alleged “FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE”. While it has not yet reached the boil over stage,it is extremely close to it. I am sure that when it does go over the top,it will make what is going on in FRANCE look like a bunch of school children at recess time. Something POSITIVE had better happen soon, with regard to the WH., because the SOETORO INSANITY ISN’T GOING TO CUT IT MUCH LONGER………….EVEN WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE. Now is the time to ask those people what they now think.

  17. “How many clicks does it take to soil a candidate’s online reputation? A prominent liberal activist would like to find out.

    Chris Bowers, campaign director for the Daily Kos, is launching a behind-the-scenes campaign against 98 House Republican candidates that attempts to capitalize on voters’ Google search habits in the hopes of influencing midterm races.

    Bowers wants the Daily Kos’ thousands of participants to dig up little-noted or controversial news stories about the candidates that could hurt their chances with undecided voters. Users would click on the links and blog about the stories with the goal of boosting their rankings on search engines, so that undecided voters will discover them more easily.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43767.html#ixzz12ohJkEze

  18. Monday, October 18, 2010
    Mortgages Were Fraudulently Pledged to Multiple Buyers at the Same Time

    It appears as though many loans and other mortgage-related assets have been double and even triple-pledged to various constituencies.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/10/mortgages-which-can-legally-only-be.html

    ************

    Zero Hedge has been approached by an individual who participated directly in the various aspects of what is now broadly known as Fraudclosure. The below narrative recounts his experience in the due diligence process of selecting loans for the MBS pipeline. And far more than just legalese “technicalities” or a broad abrogation of property rights, as he points out there is a far more palpable issue for all those who hold Mortgage Backed Securities or other pool aggregations of mortgage loans: “we have no idea what is in those packages.” This coming from the person who helped pick, diligence and sort through the various loans…

    Full exposition:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/whistleblower-speaks-fraudclosure

  19. thanks OLD SALT…yes I did have a great day yesterday…it kinda reminded me of the days I was a young rip snorting company commander…

    DAMN I sure do miss the old Army

  20. COOMMMMMOOOOONNNNN NOVEMBER 3……….HEY SENIORS,WE NEED TO PAY BACK THE SCUM BAGS IN DC FOR STEALING $550 billion FROM MEDICARE, and GIVING IT FOR FREE TO THE SLIMEY BASTARDS WHO REFUSE TO WORK,or do anything CONSTRUCTIVE, and to foreign MUSLIM groups who are of the SAME CUT OF CLOTH. They REFUSE TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT MURDER PEOPLE. Wake up SENIORS YOU ALL PAID INTO THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM. WHY SHOULD SOME MURDEROUS BASTARD IN THE MIDDLE EAST BE ENJOYING THE FRUITS OF YOUR HARD WORK? VOTE AGAINST OUR CONGRESSIONAL SELF PROCLAIMED MESSIAHS. LETS CLEAN THEM ALL OUT. LETS PUT SOME REALLY BAD ASSED WATCHDOGS ON THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM. LETS ELECT PEOPLE WHO WILL TAKE ACTION TO REMOVE THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUSTS FROM THE GENERAL FUND,AND REINSTATE THEM AS THE ANNUITIES THEY ONCE WAS. IT WAS LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON WHO STOLE THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUSTS AND PUT THEM INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THIS WAS DONE SO THAT HE AND ALL OF HIS POLITICIAN FRIENDS COULD RAPE THE FUNDS AT WILL, AND PAY OFF THEIR FRIENDS WITH YOUR MONEY. IT IS TIME THAT THE TRUST FUNDS ARE NO LONGER USED TO PAY THE SALARIES OF THE SO CALLED SZARS. AS IT STANDS SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY HAS ALSO BEEN USED TO FUND FOREIGFN ABORTION CLINICS, TO FUND PALESTINIAN REFUGEES TO COME TO THE US. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL KILL YOU IF THEY CAN ……FROM BEHIND YOU.!

  21. bob strauss | October 19, 2010 at 10:22 am |
    It seems like the socialists have wormed their way into every facet of politics. They are everywhere, and when Obama stole the election via fraud, the socialists came out of the woodwork, emboldened by their success at stealing the election.
    ********************************
    Truer words were never spoken! The socialists/communists have infiltrated every level of government and are just biding their time. This infiltration has been going on for decades – probably at least seventy years, or more. They are implanted in every agency, bureau, and cabinet office. When Obama was elected and the Dems took over Congress (many are members of the Socialist party), all signs were “GO” for them to really plow ahead with their agenda. This infiltration did not happen overnight and these “agents” in the lower tiers of government won’t be weeded out overnight either.

    Our best shot is to get a changed Congress and ultimate removal of the usurper. The lower level traitors will then slink back into the woodwork and be ready for the next encounter. These people need to be rooted out one by one, because they are undermining government policy, e.g., the State Dept. is full of them. The job won’t be easy, because many are career government employees and are not affected by the political winds sweeping D.C. They stay on from year to year and continue to further infiltrate. It’s like trying to rid a body of cancer that has run rampant throughout.

  22. RMinNC and Old Salt,
    You both always bring so much to the discussion table, and, also, you help to rekindle the fire that burns within us! There is nothing quite like the voices of our retired (and active) military to stir us up! Don’t give up on us, Warriors!
    Keep it coming, please!

  23. High School Officials Take Students to Vote for Dems & Then Out For Ice Cream
    http://tinyurl.com/2w2g8ch

  24. Philo-Publius

    O’Donnell questions separation of church, state

    “Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?” O’Donnell asked him.

    When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O’Donnell asked: “You’re telling me that’s in the First Amendment?”

    “You actually audibly heard the crowd gasp,” Widener University political scientist Wesley Leckrone said after the debate, adding that it raised questions about O’Donnell’s grasp of the Constitution.
    http://tinyurl.com/3y85fst

    Good for her but see how the media puppets twist O’Donnel’s words to imply something she did not say. O’Donnel was correct that separation of church and state is not in the Constitution and that is why she asked where it was mentioned in the Constitution. Coons was incorrect because his answer about establishment of religion is NOT the same thing as the myth of separation of church and state so folks should be concerned about his lack of knowledge. If Widener specializes in constitutional law he needs to go back to school.

  25. Philo-Publius

    RINO Meghan McCain says:

    Christine O’Donnell is making a mockery of running for public office,” I said. “She has no real history, no real success in any kind of business… [the message] that sends to my generation is: One day you can just wake and run for Senate, no matter how [much of] a lack of experience you have. And it scares me for a lot of reasons.”… the more research I did on Christine O’Donnell, the more worrisome her being elected to the Senate seemed to me… No, what really stood out for me was the Federal Elections Commissions allegations against her pertaining to misuse of campaign funds, her alleged history of failing to pay taxes, the allegations that she lied on multiple occasions about which colleges she attended. Not to mention the fact that she has not had any real success in business, government, or public service.
    http://tinyurl.com/26fo4as

    Now substitute Obama everwhere she mentions O’Donnell.

    Obama is making a mockery of running for public office,” I said. “He has no real history, no real success in any kind of business… [the message] that sends to my generation is: One day you can just wake and run for Senate, no matter how [much of] a lack of experience you have. And it scares me for a lot of reasons.”… the more research I did on Obama, the more worrisome his being elected to the Senate seemed to me… No, what really stood out for me was the Federal Elections Commissions allegations against his pertaining to misuse of campaign funds, his alleged history of drug abuse, the allegations that he lied on multiple occasions about which colleges he attended. Not to mention the fact that he has not had any real success in business, government, or public service.

    That’s exactly Obama’s story. Why wasn’t she scared then? Instead her generation helped elect a community organizer who hates America, embraces radicals and has far more secrets in his past than anyone else in government.

  26. From: http://www.AmericanGrandJury.org

    “RUSH LIMBAUGH: OBAMA PHOTOS LOOK DEMONIC”
    http://americangrandjury.org/rush-limbaugh-obama-photos-look-demonic

    Some comments under this article:

    “Phoebe says:
    October 18, 2010 at 8:21 pm
    He is looking more and more everyday like a demon/devil and looks like what I would envision an “antichrist” to look like. He is so skinny and sullen, looking like he is washed with the ashes of hell.”
    * * *
    “rhcrest says:
    October 18, 2010 at 8:23 pm
    Well that’s why he has to have all Christian symbols like crucifixes etc covered up wherever he goes. I am sure if he came face to face with a crucifix we would see a replay of a scene from the movie The Exorcist.”
    * * *
    ” heather says:
    October 18, 2010 at 10:11 pm
    Those are the eyes of a terrorist–just look at the hate and death they hold!”
    * * *
    “Phoebe says:
    October 18, 2010 at 10:21 pm
    I have never hated any person until the last few years. Guess Who that might be? He is so evil it hurts to look at him. I feel the devil in his soul. rhcrest, you are so right. I believe he can’t look at anything that resembles Christians, well he is a muslim! What do you expect? Also, he is an antichrist. Remember, there will be several. God help us.”
    * * *
    “rhcrest says:
    October 19, 2010 at 5:49 am
    Our Father, Who art in heaven,
    Hallowed be Thy Name.
    Thy Kingdom come.
    Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.
    And forgive us our trespasses,
    as we forgive those who trespass against us.
    And lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil. Amen.

    Yes deliver us from evil live oak. I just had to post the prayer after looking at those eyes again. Let me go get a crucifix and hold it up to the picture. But then again my computer screen will probably melt!”
    * * *
    “Larry M. Meyer says:
    October 19, 2010 at 7:23 am
    “HE will be Black of Color, Muslim in his Religion, the DEVIL INCARNATE, ALL POWERFUL and will Draw the World into Wars and OPPRESSION!!” Nostradamus’ Quatrain for the 21st Century!!”
    * * *

  27. “TRICKLE UP POVERTY – STOPPING OBAMA’S ATTACK ON OUR BORDERS, ECONOMY, AND SECURITY”
    By: Michael Savage

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062010972?ie=UTF8&tag=amegrajur-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0062010972#reader_0062010972

    Recommended Reading: Author & Radio Commentator & Talk Show Host Michael Savage in his Author’s Note section in this book says that
    Obama, the Traitor-In-Chief, is THE DESTROYER who is like a destructive child that must be stopped before he destroys everything. I hope people read the excerpts here by Michael Savage called, “Author’s Note,” and “A Revolution Is Brewing.” As Michael Savage says, “We are dangerously close to losing the nation that we love, but it is not too late.” It is great news that Michael Savage is speaking out against Obama with excellent facts and truth about the Foreign Terrorist Enemy Combatant Of War Against the USA, Americans, and all humanity, the servant of Satan the devil, the false prophet, Daily Serial Criminal, Illegal Alien Conman, Insane Madman, Foreign Usurper, Barry Soetoro Soebarkah, alias Barack Obama.

  28. It’s my understanding that many of those in the media such as O’Reilly, Hanity and others have worked directly for the CIA. When more surfaces the reason why NOT to listen to those linked to the CIA will surface.

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL

  29. From “Stars & Stripes,” Pacific edition (December 2003)

    West went too far

    I’ve read about the plight of Army Lt. Col. Allen B. West. I’ve also read with much disgust and revulsion the thinking of some individuals who support him.

    Everyone shouts, “This is war.” Sorry, folks. This is not war. While I support the efforts of those involved in Iraq, readers must remember that no declaration of war exists and never has. Who are we at war with? There is no Iraqi army. Terrorists? Who are they, and where are they?

    World War I and World War II were wars. I’m not sure anyone knows what to call Iraq, but it’s not a war. The purpose of invading Iraq was to remove a tyrant from power. Major combat operations ceased some time ago. Yes, Americans are being killed on a daily basis, but not by well-trained troops. There are more U.S. servicemembers being killed on a daily basis in automobile accidents in the United States than there are dying in combat operations in Iraq.

    When Lt. Col. West interrogated a person allegedly involved in planning an attack, took that person outside the detention facility, placed a gun next to his head and pulled the trigger twice, he crossed the line. Lt. Col. West himself became a terrorist. Lt. Col. West may have had inside information about a possible attack, but he should have left it to the experts to obtain that information and put his troops on higher alert.

    Taken as a whole, the actions of Lt. Col. West were along the same lines as the war criminals of Japan, Germany and Italy in World War II. Some were arrested, tried, convicted and even executed for their actions. They were guilty of murder, torture, inhumane treatment of prisoners, and stepping outside the rules of war. Lt. Col. West stepped across the line. He admits it and seems proud of it.

    If an interrogator put a gun next to a suspect’s head and asked questions, the suspect would say something, regardless of whether it was true, just to save his life. Lt. Col. West obtained some information. But how was he to know if it was truthful or not?

    Lt. Col. West needs to face the bar for his actions, and I hope that justice is swift and sure. Lt. Col. West may not need to be imprisoned for his actions, but a total loss of benefits and a dishonorable discharge are in order.

    Walter J. Irwin
    Ludwigshafen, Germany
    http://www.stripes.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor-for-sunday-december-7-2003-1.15105

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