Key Senate Committee Votes Against Government-Run Health Insurance Plan, September 29, 2009, Fox News, 15 to 8 vote,Five committee Democrats, including Chairman Max Baucus, joined with all 10 committee Republicans

From Fox News, September 29, 2009:

“Key Senate Committee Votes Against Government-Run Health Insurance Plan”

“The Senate Finance Committee has voted against creating a new government health insurance plan to compete with the private market.

The 15-to-8 vote could forecast the fate of the public option in the Senate as a whole. The outcome was expected but still a defeat for liberals who view government-sponsored insurance for the middle class as a key component of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.

Five committee Democrats, including Chairman Max Baucus, joined with all 10 committee Republicans to defeat the measure by Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia.

Opponents said a public option would drive private insurers out of business and amount to a government takeover. Proponents said it would give consumers choice and competition.”

“Democrats remain divided on the need to create a government plan — and Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) is already in the hot seat — accused of being lukewarm, if not downright hostile, to the public option.

Sen. Kent Conrad, D-ND, who has crafted an alternative plan that would set up a series of non-profit health care cooperatives, blasted Rockefeller’s plan, saying, “The devil is in the details.”  Conrad said if the amendment is implemented, “every major hospital goes broke.” 

“I can’t possibly support any amendment that does that,” he said. 

Congressional aides on both sides of the issue say that the public option amendments are not expected to pass out of the Finance Committee. Schumer has called the committee debate a beginning of “a conversation about the public option,” saying, “It gets people thinking.”

Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-NM, said he could support a public option, but he disagrees with Rockefeller’s approach. “I think there is a problem with providing Medicare reimbursement rates,” Bingaman said, echoing the concerns of Conrad. 

As senators continue to spar over the public option, two liberal groups are launching a hard-hitting television and Internet ad featuring a young father from Montana. Bing Perrine, 26, who needs a heart operation and is uninsured and deeply in debt, looks straight into the camera and asks Baucus: “Whose side are you on?”

The ad is sponsored by Democracy for America and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which say Baucus is too cozy with insurance and health care interests that have contributed to his campaigns and oppose a government plan.”

Read more:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/29/senate-panel-debates-govt-run-health-plan/

117 responses to “Key Senate Committee Votes Against Government-Run Health Insurance Plan, September 29, 2009, Fox News, 15 to 8 vote,Five committee Democrats, including Chairman Max Baucus, joined with all 10 committee Republicans

  1. Patriot Dreamer

    Regarding the Harding, Montana prison story:

    http://www.hardinmt.com/pages/Untitled_2.html

  2. Patriot Dreamer

    The “Flathead Beacon” did a series of at least 10 stories on this subject. I’m going to post the most recent 3.

    http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/article/hardin_agencys_executive_put_on_leave/13070/

  3. Patriot Dreamer

    JustMe // September 29, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Patriot Dreamer,

    The cert of occupancy is dated July of 2007.

    Are you in Montana? If so, do you know if this has anything to do with the Crow Indians that adopted Obama as truefreedom so graciously researched? I’m not familiar with the proximity of this town to the Crow Indians reservation.
    ****************************************
    JustMe, I have a friend who lives in Montana and has been following this story for a long time. I will ask if he knows anything.

  4. Wow, looks like Obama and his obots will only be able to use the Health Care Plan as a diversionary tactic from his ineligibility for a little while longer…

  5. Hey PD – If you consider the market crashes, all the banks fail, unemployment at 75% , neighbor firing on neighbor, everyone is speaking Spanish,you lose your home, you can’t find your gun, and the USURPER is still the Prez , then it doesn’t look so bad!!!

    http://www.hardinmt.com/pages/Untitled_2.html

  6. Patriot Dreamer

    Hi ms. helga, if it comes down to that, we could get “three hots and a cot” there! LOL!

  7. Shay in Florida

    I looked it up on the internet and the Crow Indian reservation is next to the town of Hardin. This is really disturbing. American Police Force that speak with a foreign accent.

  8. Video with Gary Kreep, talking about why Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen. There’s a short commercial in the middle for people wanting to send faxes to all 50 attornies general (sp?).

  9. Maddie–please go to previous thread. I have a message for you there.

  10. Off Topic…

    On September 29th, 2009 SteveMT says:

    Tsunami Strikes American Samoa After 7.9-Magnitude Quake
    Tuesday, September 29, 2009

    PAGO PAGO, American Samoa — DEVELOPING: A tsunami swept into Pago Pago, American Samoa, shortly after an earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 7.9 erupted in the area.

    There were no immediate reports of injuries or structural damage Tuesday.

    Fili Sagapolutele, who works at the Samoa News, says the water flowed inland about 100 yards before receding, leaving some cars stuck in the mud.

    The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center in Honolulu issued a tsunami warning for American Samoa and other areas of the Pacific, including New Zealand. A tsunami watch was posted for other areas, including Hawaii and the Marshall Islands.

    American Samoa is a U.S. territory located in the South Pacific, about 2,300 miles south of Hawaii.

    Click here for more from the USGS.

    http://www.foxnews.com/st

    http://earthquake.usgs.go

  11. http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/09/29/public-option-takes-another-blow/

    Lumping Republicans in the same bag is just as misleading as doing the same to Democrats. This latest round about health care drives another but important wedge between moderate Dems and the liberal left.

  12. In case you are not familiar this is your taxpayer money at work, Obama Valerie Jarrett Grove Parc South Side of Chicago-Habitat Company-which owns the property they want to develop via the Olympics.
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/

  13. Venice,

    I’m a little surprised at this ruling. There seems to be ample information available to make their case.

    My husband recently read a book titled Vaccine A, The Covert Government Experiment That’s Killing Our Soldiers…by Gary Matsumoto. He thought this book was well research and disagreed with only a couple of minute things in it. I remember his profound sadness for these G.I’s who had no choice in the matter.

    Thanks for the link. I will pass it on to him.

  14. Any way you slice and dice it, if the government passes a health care bill it is a government plan.

  15. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27682.html

    “The left aims for critics’ jugular.”

    First, let’s be clear. It is no longer the “left”, only factions of the left, like those that work for Moveon.org.

    Second, when has this group not ever aimed for the jugular?

  16. JustMe,

    I’m not familiar with anthrax vaccine, but the article makes it clear that while there may not be enough evidence that it’s ineffective, there’s also not enough evidence that it is. By it’s very nature it needs to be voluntary.

  17. Michelle, WOW, no wonder Obama’s going to Copenhagen to pitch the Olympics!

  18. Patriot Dreamer

    Kim // September 29, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Any way you slice and dice it, if the government passes a health care bill it is a government plan.
    ******************************************
    Particularly the ones that are currently under consideration. If the federal government mandates that health insurance companies must cover everything, then it’s kind of like saying that the federal government chooses the make and model of the car, but we the people get to choose the color (and we must buy the car or risk paying a fine to the IRS or possibly go to jail!).

  19. WTH is up with this? Is the dragon moving on us now? THIS HAS GOT TO STOP!!
    http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/out-of-time-city-of-hardin

  20. Patriot Dreamer

    venice // September 29, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Unfortunately, members of our military do not have any real choices when it comes to this sort of thing.

  21. Michelle // September 29, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    ————————————————————I didn’t have time to read the whole article however, I am wondering if Opra has a silent investment in it too?

  22. Venice,

    Agreed. Slowly “voluntary” is becoming a thing of the past.

  23. Venice,

    Forgot to mention, the Anthrax vaccine experiment on soldiers in the Gulf War produced what has come to be known as “Gulf War Syndrome.” Many suffer severe neurological problems.

  24. PD,

    The article unfortunately makes that clear, but policies re: health should be made on epidemiological outcomes, preferably good ones, not on drug company profits.

    Of course the latter has always existed but there isn’t even an attempt at presenting convincing data. The brazenness is alarming.

  25. LJ,

    Disturbing, huh?! There’s quite a bit on this posted on the previous thread. Patriot Dreamer posted a lot of links giving the historical events leading up to this.

    Thanks for this link.

  26. CW-

    Did I hear some where that Larry Sinclair wants to go to the Whitehouse and chain himself to the frontgate. How many here are willing to go there too and join him. I WILL

  27. Punctuation error – 2 question marks

  28. Sorry, started on this thread. This is so “in your face and what are you gonna do about it” thuggery. How many slaps across our face are we willing to take? NO SHOTS FOR ME!

  29. “Did I hear some where that Larry Sinclair wants to go to the Whitehouse and chain himself to the frontgate.”
    LOL what’s that going to do?

  30. Michelle wrote:

    ” // September 29, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    In case you are not familiar this is your taxpayer money at work, Obama Valerie Jarrett Grove Parc South Side of Chicago-Habitat Company-which owns the property they want to develop via the Olympics.
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground

    I see the date on this article is from June of 2008. Isn’t it amazing that every horrible thing in the world came out about this charlatan Obama, well ahead of the elections, and he still won, despite being TOTALLY unqualified, a criminal, ineligible, and a major @$$ to boot.

    I hope we prove the MASSIVE voter fraud to a court of law that actually cares about the United States of America. There is no in HELL this moron won. I voted for McCain/Palin, even though I would have NEVER thought I’d vote for a Republican in a million years!

    When will we wake up from this national nightmare?

  31. Kim – To have our first get together and show our solidarity against the USURPER and the MSM.

  32. Venus,

    Sadly our military are human guinea pigs….

    From the book, “Vaccine A.”

    “President Clinton signed an executive order in 1999 saying all the Secretary of Defense need do is make a persuasive case to the President that it is necessary to give troops EXPERIMENTAL medicines without informed consent for their own good. The order lays out no criteria for making such a decision and the FDA has been cut out of the loop, as are U.S. military personnel.”

  33. PS- I guarantee it will get coverage.

  34. http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/1975

    Can’t say I don’t know much about it any more.

  35. testing

  36. http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/1975

    Pretty horrid stuff.

    (I tried twice and didn’t get through, hence testing)

  37. Plus I will do everthing in my power to get Rev. Manning to join us.

  38. sorry, ms helga, picturing that just struck my funny bone…
    I am hovering between despair and hysteria right now…

  39. My last post had the word “inferno”, title of the site. Is that why it’s not posting?

  40. Sorry to Patriot Dreamer, I passed on your links to read comments regarding CW’s info. I will check further into the info you provided. I know, I know, I need the school ruler rap and to be told, pay attention!

  41. twe—thanks for the message and I just realized
    we have another new thread so am bringing this
    response over….

    twe– What a help you continue to be and an
    inspiration of REAL hope to us over here.
    Thank you for all the great suggestions. I am
    going to check out the site you gave. The more
    help and information the better.
    On the “independent” living—I had never heard
    of that. I thought it went straight into Assisted
    Living and upwards in care. The “independent”
    sounds better and wouldn’t look like hospital
    hallways (no offense to hospital hallways).
    I will check here and find the Independent
    Living possibilities. They may be more interested in that. How does it differ from a
    condo? Thanks again, Maddie.

  42. Kim wrote:

    ” // September 29, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    “Did I hear some where that Larry Sinclair wants to go to the Whitehouse and chain himself to the frontgate.”
    LOL what’s that going to do?”

    Draw attention to the eligibility story.

    Draw attention to the “Larry and the Limousine” story.

    This has been “Easy Answers to Easy Questions”! 😉

  43. over from last thread—news is flying
    fast today…

    If anyone still would like to know, yes, I remember when BO was “adopted” for fun (I thought it was a joke) by the American Indian
    elderly couple. I believe they were also invited to the Inauguration. At the time I thought it was very bizarre, but everything he did was strange so didn’t think much of it. Now, I don’t know what to think about it…

  44. http://www.drugs.com/sfx/anthrax-vaccine-side-effects.html

    Previous post had side effects of anthrax, but this will do.

    The neurological adverse effects are the most frequent and obviously most disturbing.
    Maybe “inferno” captures it better.

    My post on the anthrax vaccine is even more disturbing now.

  45. *** Leo Haffey update ***

    I just got off the phone with someone close to the case. The court case was continued this afternoon.

    There is much more to this that I am not at liberty to discuss due to the sensitive nature of the case. All I can say is that this story is much deeper than it appears.
    I knew more about it this afternoon and now I know more. It is troubling to me.

  46. Patriot Dreamer wrote:

    ” // September 29, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    New post at attorney Leo Donofrio’s blog:

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/terrik-investigation-foreshadowing/

    Thanks so much for posting that, PD. It’s nice to be in on the ground floor, before massive amounts of posts start showing up!

    BTW, is there any way someone can tweak something so links show up in new windows, rather than making me leave Citizen Wells? Or am I the only one having that problem?

  47. Kim – Time is running out. Rev. Manning said it perfectly -“The longer he(The Usurper) stays in the harder it will be to remove him”.

  48. citizenwells wrote:

    ” // September 29, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    *** Leo Haffey update ***

    I just got off the phone with someone close to the case. The court case was continued this afternoon.

    There is much more to this that I am not at liberty to discuss due to the sensitive nature of the case. All I can say is that this story is much deeper than it appears.
    I knew more about it this afternoon and now I know more. It is troubling to me.”

    I’m glad you posted about it, CW. It looks like Mr. Haffey was working hard on the ineligibility problem. I’m looking forward to finding out more.

  49. LJ, Patriot Dreamer, et al

    If this doesn’t spur states on to pass sovereignty bills, I don’t know what will.

  50. This one is for Val- One mor time.

  51. JustMe // September 29, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    If they are not in place now, then it may be too late. They are going to use the flu as a means of control, at least that is what it looks like to me.

  52. Larry should put a mask on because if the media finds out they won’t cover it. then pull the mask off presto

  53. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373

    I thought this would be a good time to repost this essential article on eligibility.

  54. The media didn’t cover the 1.5 mil that showed up September 15. Just sayin…

  55. Maddie–I’m out of here for a few hours. Independent living is like a condo. They can be individual little homes (free standing), or like apartments in a dorm, or an old converted hospital (my mother-in-law’s place is an old converted hospital but they have made it seem just like many apartments). There is no nursing care provided in independent living. With my m-in-law’s place, they provide meals (cooked by a chef) and served in the main dining room–bright cheery and very open. They come in once every two weeks to do house cleaning. Other than that, she is responsible is she wants to cook for herself, no one oversees her meds. Activities are provided in house as well as field trips and shopping trips. There is a beauty shop on premises, a gym, a computer room, a library, a room for special events like personal birthday parties with family. The grounds are huge with walking paths and also a pond. It’s a great set up. If something happens, there is always staff on hand to help, like call the doctor or whatever. They have security and visitors have to sign in to visit.

    Got to run…hope that helps.

  56. Venice,

    Interesting, isn’t it, the articles that “find you?”

    Don’t know if you saw my earlier post on the executive order Clinton signed regarding vaccination of soldiers.

    All soldiers received this vaccine whether they were ever deployed or not. This was the nail in the coffin for the government.

  57. From MommaE blog radio:

    Hi,

    I just want to let you know that Matt and I will be back together tonight on Monks Media. Hot discussion on health care and other Obama screw ups will be continued! We will also be taking your calls for questions or comments! It should be a hot, rocking and interesting show!

    PLEASE POST THIS ON YOUR BLOGS OR WEB SITES AND ANY OTHER BLOGS OR WEB SITES THAT YOU ARE CONNECTED WITH AND SEND TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK.

    Some of you are having trouble hearing the show on Windows Media Player and Winamp, so there are 2 links below for two other free players that a lot of my listeners that couldn’t hear the show before are using. I hope that this helps everyone out that is having problems hearing the show.

    I look forward to seeing you all there! Link, time and call in number for the show is below.

    http://www.monksmedia.com

    Call In # 317-565-1392

    5:00 PM Pacific Time

    6:00 PM Mountain Time

    7:00 PM Central Time

    8:00 PM Eastern Time

    I hope to see you all there. Please join the new Chat room! It on on the home page of Monks Media. Just put in a Nickname and click connect! If you come to Monks on Internet Explorer then the show should automatically play in Windows Media Player and it also plays in Winamp. If you have trouble hearing the show here are 2 links for other free players that quite a few of my listeners have had to download and use and they really like them http://s9.viastreaming.net:8060/listen.pls and http://www.videolan.org. To enlarge the chat go to the bottom of the chat box and you will see some buttons click on the one with the 4 little black arrows pointing to the middle and it will enlarge to cover your whole screen.

    MommaE

  58. LJ,

    I fear you may be right.

  59. We should do flash mobs daily…get a group together 100-200 people (get out those tea party lists) and appear in the midst of a busy places all over the country…play a patriotic song…everyone pull out flags and placards that say something to the effect of: Obama is not American

  60. CW,

    Thanks for the update. Are you at liberty to say what he is being charged with?

    He and his family are in my prayers.

  61. JustMe // September 29, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    It also looks like to me that there will be no election cycle in 2010 if these events are allowed to continue. Something needs to be done now. We can no longer afford to wait. Unfortunately, being the nimwit that I am, I have no answers to the immediate solution. (sigh)

  62. ms. helga // September 29, 2009 at 5:34 pm
    reposting the video of Rev. Manning.

    I have been praying since last Aug for the blood of Jesus to give Obama and his wife a miraculous cleansing.

    I am not for hurting anyone, just want all to see the Light and need to repent from their evil/worldy desires and ways.

    I pray the same for myself and the country, as we all have areas to work on- some folks just make the news/world stage and their need for repentance is more easy for the world to see. unfortunately a person does not change until they awaken to the need for it ( bad thing happens and Holy Spirit stirs their conscience enough). I pray alot for the obamas daughters, and also all our leaders, US and world.

  63. LJ,

    uggghhh….my husband said the same thing in regards to the 2010 elections.

    While I certainly appreciate the efforts being made to expose Obama, I don’t think removing Obama from office will be the thing that will change the course of events for our country. It might stall them, but….It’s much bigger than him and these wheels were turning long before he came on the scene. You can be sure someone else is waiting in the wings.

  64. I know I’m probably just spitting in the wind, so I’ll say my piece and shut up.

    Please keep the Alex Jonesian FEMA Camp Mass Genocide Police State No More Elections Bull#@&* out of here. All it does is discredit this blog as a true source of REAL information.

  65. ms. helga -probably-many Chicagoans are against this see: the many articles about Chicagoans against the Olympics. What the people mean is they will be gentrified out of their homes, the money will go into the corrupt politicans pockets as usual. Remember Chicago may not get it.

  66. JustMe // September 29, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    As Glenn Beck has stated, watch what they are doing with the other hand. I think this is the other hand.

  67. Ace // September 29, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Sorry to you Ace, not trying to cause a ruckus. Don’t really watch Alex Jones. And I do believe I was commenting on real info, no need to get nasty.

  68. Ace,

    All sources are credible to some extent. It’s knowing where to draw the line on what is factual information and what is propaganda. Understand the why and you understand the what.

  69. Tell Congress, and the White House, and the lame media, “ENOUGH!”

    The first Tea Party Express was such a huge hit, they’re doing it again, and this time it may be coming to a city near you or someone you know. Spread the word!!

    http://www.teapartyexpress.org/

  70. On the topic of unemployment. You can more than double the numbers cuz they don’t account for those who’ve given up, and those who are “employed” but not making a living wage. It’s very very sad. How does this resident think we can help other countries and help the needy when we’re just surviving ourselves? I just don’t get this “spread the wealth” mentality or the Communist mentality, or the even the playing field mentality. I just don’t get how people could’ve fallen for this! It doesn’t work!!! Poor people cannot give you a job! Never have, never will! It has nothing to do with “not caring” about the poor, it’s just a FACT. Just the way it is. If they care about the poor, then let’s stop demonizing the successful and get the jobs rolling again!! Sorry, letting off steam today!

  71. ms. helga @ 5:34,

    Well Thank you M’am! I just got home from work and glad to see you continued with our Rev Manning drive! Everyone needs to see that.

    Also, you would go and hang out with Larry? If I could … I would go too !!! I can see Larry now! ….

    Heeeyyy , I’m chained to this fence here, oK, and I won’t leave, oK, until Obama admits that he was in Chicago, oK, back in Nov of 1999, oK. …

    LOL ! …. Larry’s a trip! A good trip!

    I’ve been trying to come up with new words for ‘Chain of fools” … need more time.

  72. JustMe.
    He is recently charged with assault with no bond.
    After discussing this with someone very close to the case and someone
    who has been following it, it smells very bad. Politics may be involved.

  73. ticktock,

    The aim here is to render the U.S. poor, without legal or financial resource, so that the masses can come under the control of an oligarchical financial elite.

  74. CBS News is on the tsunami hit the islands very hard. No film yet. 14 known dead. One whole town wiped away. Communicating by twitter and cell phone at this time.

  75. JS&re-do:”JS: the rapidly increasing number of posts…each day getting into the ‘hunerts’…nearly a thousand just a few days ago…trying to read all would take time simply not available: so ‘gotta skim-and-chose quickly…and ’round up the usual suspects’ so to not waste time there. Thanks for your contributions.
    ———————————————————
    Sure would like to see Rev. Manning & Keyes get some air-time somewhere…who’s gonna step up give ‘em a shot?”

    *******************************

    This is why I think it’s pointless for people to get offended when their posts don’t get replied to or vice versa. It doesn’t mean people aren’t reading them. I don’t reply to 99% of posts and it’s prob the same percentage going the other way. I just enjoy the uplifting spirit here and the morale boost.

    A place to let your hair hang down and pick up good information about what’s going on and what we can do to help is priceless! Not to mention the great people here.

  76. venice, I agree, it’s all about weakening US one way or another!

  77. Thanks for the Leo update. This is unbelievable
    even though we don’t understand all of it—any of it is illegal, unAmerican, and unAcceptable!!

  78. Is anyone else having trouble at Leo’s site? I have been checking him daily for well over a year and today my computer freezes up and I’m getting a McAfee warning. Can someone check it out for me? Thanks

  79. 1. “Act of God”? – Tsunami demolished Pelosi tuna factory?

    2. in re: Chaining selves to WH fence. Please nobody do that. The most pleasant thing that could happen is that they quickly (instantly!) cut you lose and escort you away. There is NO WAY this will linger more than a few seconds or draw even any attention from passersby, let alone the media. Just a stupid and worthless idea.

  80. I’m finding interest in this Montana thing because it definitely has legs. Here’s what I’ve come up with so far:

    The Crow Tribe is actually the Appsaalooke Nation. The chairman of the tribe, Carl E. Venne, up until his death on February 16, 2009, was a good friend of Soetoro, aka Obama. He was the mastermind behind getting Obama adopted.

    Here’s where the trail gets interesting. Carl Venne also served on the Advisory Council of the State of Montana Department of Corrections. He and the Governor Brian Schweitzer were noted to be discussing the possible use of the Hardin Detention Facility by the Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs back in the Summer of 2008.

    The real question is what were they really planning on using the facility for???

    Click to access Summer08.pdf

  81. Kim:”“Did I hear some where that Larry Sinclair wants to go to the Whitehouse and chain himself to the frontgate.”
    LOL what’s that going to do?

    **************************

    my only guess is that he wants to be arrested, causes the WH to have to defend themselves in order to justify his arrest, which forces their hand in revealing more information….i dunno….that’s just a guess as to what larry’s thinking.

  82. I’m getting e-mails that the Occidental college records were released. Any truth to that? They were printed in England’s papers, but not here that OB’s name is Barry Soetoro and that he applied for a scholarship given to foreign students. Is this indeed confirmed?

  83. Question: Is the Hardin, Montana information
    posted on the past threads true about the
    Indian area and the police SUVs arriving that
    aren’t really the Sheriff’s Dept?? Please let me
    know. Thanks. Maddie.

  84. Justina, that is a hoax. In fact I think the story was released on APRIL First.

  85. twe—have a nice 2 hrs. away from the “news”–
    something different will have occurred by the time you return the way it looks today!

    Thanks for all the info on the Independent Living Style—sounds just what my folks could
    do as well. Your M in law is lucky to have you
    finding a neat place like that with everything
    plus little shopping trips, too. Very good setup.
    See ‘ya when you come back:)

  86. ticktock,
    That’s what I thought, too, about Larry’s fence
    activity. But, is there any guarantee that any
    courtroom would do more to demand the
    Usurper to show credentials? If it would work,
    go for it. I just don’t want to see Larry locked up
    again and not get his “real” day in court if you
    know what I mean.

  87. “Stop the Healthcare Takeover!”
    Mailgram to the US Congress

    http://www.chooseliberty.org/audio1.aspx

  88. CW,

    Thanks. I figured it hit a political raw nerve. I bet it will get really nasty, too.

    Please let us know if there is a need for a contribution to defense fund or such. We have to support these people that put their lives on the line. I’ve contributed to a number of them recently.

  89. #

    Patriot Dreamer // September 29, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Regarding the Harding, Montana prison story:

    http://www.hardinmt.com/pages/Untitled_2.html
    ——————————————————
    #

    ms. helga // September 29, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Hey PD – If you consider the market crashes, all the banks fail, unemployment at 75% , neighbor firing on neighbor, everyone is speaking Spanish,you lose your home, you can’t find your gun, and the USURPER is still the Prez , then it doesn’t look so bad!!!

    http://www.hardinmt.com/pages/Untitled_2.html
    ———————————————————-
    PD- Here is the guy that I got the idea from.

  90. JustMe.
    I have offered our complete support.
    Now, we wait.

  91. Maddie, I know what you mean. I just don’t know if it would be wise or not. I go back and forth, but one thing I do know, is that this sort of stuff has always worked for the left. The right doesn’t do this sort of stuff and we reason that it would be so loony that no one would take it seriously, yet the left doesn’t hesitate and it always seems to get them somewhere. I wonder if we could take more cues from them in what works!

  92. this is what MSNBC is putting out now on Hardin…

    By Kyle Midura
    KULR-TV
    updated 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
    HARDIN – The Big Horn County Board of Commissioners held a public meeting Thursday night to discuss the future of law enforcement in Hardin and the county. City and county officials agree that law enforcement would be better served to deconsolidate, meaning that Hardin could be on its own for a police force. City police and county police were merged in 1979. General election ballots proposing to deconsolidate failed in 1996 and 2006. Earlier this year a judge decided the two entities could be econsolidated without a county-wide vote so long as public meetings such as this one were held. The deconsolidation proposal should be made available by the first of October. County officials said they’ll aid city police during the two-year transition period. “During the transition period that’s when we’ll work closely with the city of Hardin in establishing their police force,” said Big Horn County Undersheriff Rondell Davis, “once they hire a police chief we’ll work closely with him to establish the overall force as far as figuring out the manning, resources, equipment and hopefully personnel as well.” Hardin Mayor Ron Adams attended Thursday night’s meeting and said neither he nor the council has been in any negotiations with American Police Force. He said officials with Two Rivers Authority are the only ones currently in negotiations. The Hardin City Prosecutor added that it would be illegal for the city to enter into negotiations with APF before deconsolidation had taken place.

  93. Jeff M,

    This is interesting. I remember when that “adoption” occurred and I thought it odd. But then again, I remember thinking there was no way Obama hadn’t been properly vetted.

    I think it’s important to put information out there and give others the opportunity to discuss it, especially in forums like this. Otherwise, we all might as well go back to reading the propaganda printed in the traditional rags.

  94. Can these Indians be any more blatant about what they are trying to do? Here’s U.S. Attorney Sherry Matteucci discussing the use of contract Law Enforcement Services in Montana:

    http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Matteucci_Sherry_47953384.aspx

    Sherry Matteucci was also co-council with Carl E. Venne for the Crow Tribe. Wow, what a coincidence you say? Not when you understand the Matteucci connections with the current usurping “Administration”.

    More info on these connections coming up next.

  95. JustMe,

    I have another connection stuck in moderation. It’s getting deeper by the minute.

  96. ticktock,
    I know what you mean. Every time I see “Code
    Pink” throwing a fit or whatever I think what are
    they doing?! I could never do that!
    The biggest thing I’ve ever done has been the tea parties–and that made me “nervous” at first.
    I wouldn’t want to advise Larry one way or the other– if it got the right results it would be worth it, but that will definately have to be his decision.

  97. Ticktock/ Maddie

    I thinki t boils down to school kids as an example. those who sit in the seats and learn (us/most americans) and those that are unruly and get the attention (far left whiners and handouts)

    the teacher has to address them somehow and they know it and bank on it.

    just my take on it.

  98. Startpage is a secure web search that does not record your IP address. It also allows https searching. You can add it or ixquick (essentially the same thing) by going to their home pages and clicking the “add to my browser” link. It will then install the search engine into your browser’s search bar and even gives you the option to start using it right away.

    http://www.ixquick.com/uk/download-ixquick-plugin.html

  99. APF a shell company for the government? That would never ever happen, would it…

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9AM0VM80&show_article=1&catnum=-1

  100. #

    Justina // September 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    I’m getting e-mails that the Occidental college records were released. Any truth to that? They were printed in England’s papers, but not here that OB’s name is Barry Soetoro and that he applied for a scholarship given to foreign students. Is this indeed confirmed?
    *******************************************

    Who are these emails from??? There was a April Fools story that went around for a while…..could it be the same story???

  101. Numerous co-workers have sent the story. Maybe it is the same one that came out before.

  102. JeffM, 6:46pm.,

    The key sentence in the link you offer is “to adopt a definition of recividism used by a national correctional organization” the operative word being “national”. The subsequent justification based on comparing stats is sheer nonsense.

    This begins the effort to “nationalize” correctional organizations, rather than leaving them a regional/state run facilities. I can hear Obama’s speech now “a civil force, just as strong…..”

  103. Justina—is there a reference or link
    with the e-mails you are receiving about
    Occidental Records?

  104. truefreedom—good analogy. Somehow the
    whiners always get the attention they crave.

  105. BILLINGS, Mont.—An obscure California security company was planning a jobs fair next week as it prepared to pay $2.6 million annually to take over a rural Montana jail that the company plans to expand into a military and police training center.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_13368796?nclick_check=1

  106. **** New Post ****

    Someone here asked me about Obama’s IL bar applic several weeks ago.
    This was my answer.

  107. re: Hardin, Montana

    Found this on http://www.oilforimmigration.org

    I telelphoned my grandson, who is station manager at a TV/Radio station in Montana, and sent him the link to the article. I am not surprised at anything anymore so I was glad to get his response. Here is his response:

    I already know all about this. The company, a private security firm, was contracted to run the newly built prison in Hardin. As for them patrolling the streets like cops…..I highly doubt that and haven’t read anything on the wire (AP) about that. Nobody in Montana (or anywhere else) would put up with some nonsense like that. Furthermore they are currently being investigated by the Associated Press (along with I would imagine law enforcement at this time) because it’s looking like they are a completely bogus private security firm to begin with. This happened because locals in charge didn’t do any research on the company. It is also true that the prison reps did (awhile back) request to have Guantanamo detainees held there but then later retracted the request when they essentially got laughed at and told “No

  108. Thanks Aristotle

    “I just got off the phone with Leo. His wife was able to patch through a three way call.

    He is very encouraged by CW’s post and gives warm thanks for all your prayers.

    He needs a lawyer! Urgently!

    I have established a Leo Haffey Defense Fund at:
    http://freeleohaffey.blogspot.com/

    Aristotle the Hun”

  109. Check THIS out:

    What Is American Police Force?
    September 14th, 2009

    defenseproductsolutions.com is hosted on the same IP (97.74.186.121) as americanpolicegroup.com. Both sites feature the same logo. Click on the Catalog link on defenseproductsolutions.com and say ‘hello’ to Edward Angelino.

    Other business names associated with him: Allied Defense Systems, Inc. (allieddefensesystems.com) and Defense Consulting Group, Inc. There are almost certainly many more. I only spent ten minutes on this.

    I looked through a couple of the sites that use the same template and noticed this:

    allieddefensesystems.com/aboutus.htm:

    Founded in 1990, ADS and its veteran team have serviced a variety of contracts under extreme conditions in the Middle East. Our projects have ranged from base camp construction operations to supplying world-class military vehicles. In the midst of international tensions, ADS will perform.

    defenseproductsolutions.com/aboutus.htm:

    Founded in 2004, DPS and its veteran team have serviced a variety of contracts under extreme conditions in the Middle East. Our projects have ranged from base camp construction operations to supplying world-class military vehicles. In the midst of international tensions, DPS will perform.

    Interesting, no?

    About the DC address:

    The company claim of a headquarters address is just up the street from the White House.

    The K Street building houses “virtual offices,” where clients pay to use the prestigious Pennsylvania Avenue address and gain access to onsite conference rooms but have no permanent presence.

    “It lets small businesses get started up and have a professional front and not have a lot of a cash to do it,” said Ashley Korner with Preferred Offices, which leases the location.

    She said American Police Force’s application to use the address was pending, but incomplete.

    http://cryptogon.com/?p=10995

  110. Now the liberals want to play on people’s sympathies. It would be even worse if the govt tells him whether he could live or die. He can always go on medicaid if he needs govt assistance. This is so stupid and bogus. They used these bogus sad stories just to get people to accept the evil that BO has in store for our country. BO is causing many deaths of our military with those tainted shots of bioterrorism. He is making bogus laws to make himself exempt from being held accountable for his crimes. This is getting to be ridiculous. I wish there is a real way that will get BO removed from office along with his evil appointess and czars, etc. They want to cut medicare, but they spend money on unconstitutional czars. Really, we don’t want this evil dictator ruining our freedom and our country. There needs to be a judge or someone in some kind of authority who will stand up against this evil fraud. He has committed treason and is getting away with it. I can’t believe that no one in authority will touch this issue when treason is the highest crime that could be committed in this country.

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