Judge Clay D Land ruling, Judicial misconduct, Captain Connie Rhodes motion, September 16, 2009, Orly Taitz, Rules for judicial conduct, 28 U.S.C., Judge Land guilty of judicial misconduct

*** Update below September 17, 2009  5:30 PM  **

Despite the lack of respect for the US Constitution, the rule of law, concerned American citizens and not obeying their oaths of office by judges and state election officials over the past year, I, Citizen Wells, respect the office of the judiciary and do not take lightly charging a judge with judicial misconduct. However, due to the serious nature of the Captain Connie Rhodes’ motion, it’s consequences for the military and nation in general, and the non judicious attitude of Judge Land in dismissing the motion, I believe it is the lesser of evils, and certainly in the best interest of ongoing jurisprudence, to check this judicial abuse of power.

The Citizen Wells blog reported yesterday, Wednesday, September16, 2009, on the ruling by Judge Land.
Citizen Wells response to Judge Land ruling
For simplicity’s sake, we reported on the ruling by Judge Land. We will leave to others to debate the courtroom banter, motion word smithing and argument methodologies.

This is indeed a serious matter. At stake is the integrity of our judicial system, upholding the US Constitution and rule of law, insuring that we have a qualified president and supporting the military as they faithfully uphold the oath they have taken to defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Judge Land, as a District Court Judge, is subject to the RULES FOR JUDICIAL-CONDUCT AND JUDICIAL-DISABILITY PROCEEDINGS.

“These Rules govern proceedings under the Judicial Conduct and Disability Act, 28 U.S.C. §§ 351–364 (the Act), to determine whether a covered judge has engaged in conduct prejudicial to the effective and expeditious administration of the business of the courts or is unable to discharge the duties of office because of mental or physical disability.”

“these Rules provide mandatory and nationally uniform provisions governing the substantive and procedural aspects of misconduct and disability proceedings under the Act.”

“(e) Disability. “Disability” is a temporary or permanent condition rendering a judge unable to discharge the duties of the particular judicial office. Examples of disability include substance abuse, the inability to stay awake during court proceedings, or a severe impairment of cognitive abilities.”

Disability, such as “severe impairment of cognitive abilities”, will not be addressed, although after reading the ruling, that possibility did occur to me.

“(h) Misconduct. Cognizable misconduct:

6 (1) is conduct prejudicial to the effective and expeditious administration of the  business of the courts. Misconduct includes, but is not limited to:

(A) using the judge’s office to obtain special treatment for friends or relatives;
(B) accepting bribes, gifts, or other personal favors related to the judicial office;
(C) having improper discussions with parties or counsel for one side in a case;
(D) treating litigants or attorneys in a demonstrably egregious and hostile manner;
(E) engaging in partisan political activity or making inappropriately partisan statements;
(F) soliciting funds for organizations; or
(G) violating other specific, mandatory standards of judicial conduct, such as those pertaining to restrictions on outside income and requirements for financial disclosure.”

First, note, “Misconduct includes, but is not limited to”

Judge Land is obvious guilty of two of the offenses above.

 

(D) treating litigants or attorneys in a demonstrably egregious and hostile manner

Egregious defined: “conspicuously bad : flagrant <egregious errors>”

(Note dictionary example – “egregious errors”)

This motion was filed by a captain in the US Military who was required to take an oath to defend the US Constitution. The following was also made clear to Captain Connie Rhodes:

Officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States.

Judge Land’s persistent reference to “birther” and “birther claim”, aside from having political connotations, is condescending  and demeaning. Judge Land is  both ignorant and misinformed regarding Obama’s eligibility.

“5 of “evidence” Plaintiff’s counsel relies upon deserves further discussion. Counsel has produced a document that she claims shows the President was born in Kenya, yet she has not authenticated that document. She has produced an affidavit from someone who allegedly obtained the document from a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya by paying “a cash ‘consideration’ to a Kenyan military officer on duty to look the other way, while [he] obtained the copy” of the document. (Smith Decl. ¶ 7, Sept. 3, 2009.) Counsel has not, however, produced an original certificate of authentication from the government agency that supposedly has official custody of the document. Therefore, the Court finds that the alleged document is unreliable due to counsel’s failure to properly authenticate the document. See Fed. R. Evid. 901.”

Judge Land dismisses an alleged birth certificate with an attached affidavit yet he quotes the COLB, Certification of Live Birth, a document with no affadavit of authenticity, which is not a birth certificate and refers to the presence of another document. Judge Land has requested no authenticating of the COLB.

“Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and preserve” those very principles.”

Judge Land has made another demeaning statement. The irony of that statement is that any middle school student knows that the president must be a natural born citizen and that the judicial system is part of the checks and balances to prevent a usurper from taking office.

“Instead, she uses her Complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the President is “an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.”

There is no reason to believe that Captain Rhodes was motivated politically. What is readily apparent is that Captain Rhodes takes her oath of office seriously.

“I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully
discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
So help me God.”
US Military officer’s oath of office

This clearly qualifies as an unwarranted and hostile attack upon the character of the plaintiff.

(E) engaging in partisan political activity or making inappropriately partisan statements

“To press her “birther agenda,” Plaintiff’s counsel has filed the present action on behalf of Captain Rhodes.”

Judge Land’s repeated use of the term “birther”, a hallmark insult from the far left and Obama camp, reveals not only his political agenda but a disregard for the US Constitution, an officer in the US military, the plaintiff’s attorney and decent American citizens. That term has no place in the courtroom, especially being flung by a misinformed, biased judge.

“Counsel makes these allegations although a “short-form” birth certificate has been made publicly available which indicates that the President was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961.“

“Acknowledging the existence of a document that shows the President was born in Hawaii, Plaintiff alleges that the document “cannot be verified as genuine, and should be presumed fraudulent.”

Judge Land uses as the basis for part of his decision a politically motivated, display of an unsubstantiated COLB.

 

Summary
Judge Land, who is clearly misinformed and makes uninformed decisions that certainly appear to be politically motivated, should be brought before a judicial review board. And, if Judge Land believes that he is making well founded statements based on substantiated facts, then the spectre of his ability to sit judiciously on the bench arises.

It is hoped that one or both of two scenarios will occur.

1. Someone will file a complaint.

 
2. I believe it is in the best interest of the judiciary system to self police this matter. Confidence in the judiciary and other branches of government is at an all time low. The American citizens need a clear signal that they will get fair treatment in court and that the judicial branch of government will fulfill it’s crucial part in the checks and balances system of our government.

How to file a complaint:

http://www.uscourts.gov/library/judicialmisconduct/jud_conduct_and_disability_308_app_B_rev.pdf

 

** Update **

“Dr. Orly Taitz, counsel for Captain Connie Rhodes, M.D, filed today an Emergency Request for Stay of Deployment, pending the filing of a Motion for Re-Hearing, in the Case Rhodes vs. Mac Donald.

Yesterday, Judge Clay D. Land garnered nationally notoriety for his rejection of Captain’s Rhodes’ case, with a severe ruling that was widely faulted by legal experts across the nation.

Attorney Taitz in today’s filings details the errors of Land’s ruling.  What follows is The Post & Email’s summary of Tatiz’s Motions, using a copy forwarded us, by Mr. Neil B. Turner.

First, Attorney Taitz alleges that Judge Land’s ruling “violates the 5th Amendment rights” of her client, “to due process of law, in particular, by” the Court’s “violation of Local Rule 7 of the United States Middle District of Georgia, to wit:”

Read more:

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/taitz-files-emergency-stay-and-motion-for-rehearing/

 

308 responses to “Judge Clay D Land ruling, Judicial misconduct, Captain Connie Rhodes motion, September 16, 2009, Orly Taitz, Rules for judicial conduct, 28 U.S.C., Judge Land guilty of judicial misconduct

  1. #

    Jacqly Smith // September 17, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    jbjd….did you ever get my message that Bob Campbell from AGJ was trying to reach you???

  2. Judge Carter has ruled on the Motion for Stay of discovery in the Barnett/Keyes case…

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  5. 09/16/2009 66 MINUTES (IN CHAMBERS): ORDER by Judge David O. Carter granting 60 Ex Parte Application for Order for Limited Stay of Discovery. All discovery herein shall be stayed pending resolution of Defendants Motion to Dismiss, except for any discovery as to which Plaintiffs can demonstrate, to the satisfaction of Magistrate Judge Nakazato, is necessary for the purpose of opposing the Motion to Dismiss. (ade) (Entered: 09/17/2009)

  6. Canadian4Hillary

    CW…amazing work you are doing! WTG!

  7. Greg Goss.

    Hopefully that vote to stop funding for ACORN, aslo included any and all sub-corporations that fall under it.

    We shall see. Never trust these sneaky bastards, this fight is more than likely far from over.

    Too many crooks on Capitol Hill.

    I bet there is some hidden provision in that text, that allows them to continue funding ACORN under the radar.

    I hope I’m wrong.

  8. CW: Excellent analysis of the Land decision and its pertinence to judicial conduct. IMHO, Judge Land was rude and prejudicial. Dr. Taitz has taken the initiative to appeal his decision. Hopefully, others will follow her lead. Thank you for detailing the rules for judicial conduct, what rules were disregarded, and what can be done in a clear, concise manner.

  9. Leo wrote this at this blog in response to someone else. BTW, he says that we can borrow anything from his blog. I’ll quote it, which he’s talking about Orly’s cases.

    “[Ed. Her clients are military and I do not believe they have the best chance at standing. Other cases may be forthcoming featuring better standing and different clients. I do not believe Orly’s cases, especially as plead, will determine the issue. But I’m glad she brought these cases because she forced the courts and the DOJ to go on the record with statements they just may regret in future cases which could test them on more difficult legal and PR grounds. That’s all I can say at this time.]”

  10. judge land is running for his life! he knows the full regin of the white house will come down on the first judge to bring this issue to light, He knows the truth but someone must have got to him period, crickets, crickets

  11. Go go go go Orly

  12. The South, I thought I heard that there was provision in the bill to take over 90% of all student loans by a certain time. Rush was talking about it but I was on the phone and only half listening…

    Hey that Redemption Site and related sites have some very interesting information….I did hear the pod cast on that and had a hard time difesting it that first go round. But reading it now I am getting a better sense of things…

  13. ok guys, help me out here . Judge Carter has ruled on the Motion for Stay of discovery in the Barnett/Keyes case…

    what does this exactly mean? is it good for the good guys (us)

  14. cq, The judge granted the motion of stay of discovery that the defendants filed with exception, that discovery would be granted for materials directly inherent in need to argue motion to dismiss that will be heard on Oct 5th.

    Is it good? Not as good as we would like but it depends on what the magistrate will allow for discovery as it pertains to motion to dismiss. So we have to wait some more…

  15. got it. and is what I thought. sure will be interesting as to what he will allow
    thanks

  16. I’ll bet for every one patriot who went to D.C. there are 10-20 more who wished they could have been there as well.

    March on The Media!

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=3407#more-3407

  17. Nancy’s on camera crying (oh boo hoo) because she’s afraid of violence caused by heated rhetoric against Barky.
    GIVE ME A BREAK. There were just 2 million marching on Washington with no arrests, no problems, no violence AND they cleaned up after themselves and went home.
    my favorite comment on foxnation by True Blue American:
    The Fan was on blowing air towards her and she can’t blink her eyes anymore.
    Next we will see her under a blanket screaming “leave Barack alone, JUST LEAVE BARACK ALONE”..LMAO
    Just another scare Tactic. there has been no hint of Violence, well unless you count the SEIU guy who beat up the guy opposing Barack.
    Hee hee!

  18. #

    Greg Goss // September 17, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    09/16/2009 66 MINUTES (IN CHAMBERS): ORDER by Judge David O. Carter granting 60 Ex Parte Application for Order for Limited Stay of Discovery. All discovery herein shall be stayed pending resolution of Defendants Motion to Dismiss, except for any discovery as to which Plaintiffs can demonstrate, to the satisfaction of Magistrate Judge Nakazato, is necessary for the purpose of opposing the Motion to Dismiss. (ade) (Entered: 09/17/2009)
    ****************************************

    Isn’t this the same thing issued earlier….is it saying the only discovery can be by Orly’s people in order to show why it shouldn’t be dismissed??? Is that how you all see this??

  19. ” materials directly inherent in need to argue motion to dismiss ”

    Which include his long form BC along with all documents under seal, including the adoption papers.

    Defendants must present their argument that a British citizen is constitutionally eligible to hold the office of POTUS. Which they can not .

    Defendants also must prove BHO is his legal name and he has never held another alias.

    etc………………

  20. #

    Kim // September 17, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Nancy’s on camera crying (oh boo hoo) because she’s afraid of violence caused by heated rhetoric against Barky.
    GIVE ME A BREAK. There were just 2 million marching on Washington with no arrests, no problems, no violence AND they cleaned up after themselves and went home.
    my favorite comment on foxnation by True Blue American:
    The Fan was on blowing air towards her and she can’t blink her eyes anymore.
    Next we will see her under a blanket screaming “leave Barack alone, JUST LEAVE BARACK ALONE”..LMAO
    Just another scare Tactic. there has been no hint of Violence, well unless you count the SEIU guy who beat up the guy opposing Barack.
    Hee hee!
    *****************************************

    Where was her concern for President Bush’s safety when she was part of the problem leveling violent rhetoric toward him???? She is disgusting and needs to be removed sooner rather than later!! I hope she likes the color ORANGE! LOL!!

  21. Kittycat—thanks for linking Leo’s comment.
    Different thoughts on this complicated issue
    are always welcome.

  22. Ummm, am I reading this correctly? Judge Carter grants defendants,

    Ex Parte-Application for Limited Stay of Discovery

  23. the south

    Greg Goss // September 17, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    cq, The judge granted the motion of stay of discovery that the defendants filed with exception, that discovery would be granted for materials directly inherent in need to argue motion to dismiss that will be heard on Oct 5th.

    Is it good? Not as good as we would like but it depends on what the magistrate will allow for discovery as it pertains to motion to dismiss. So we have to wait some more…

  24. cq.

    Got it!

  25. Kim @ 5:42 wrote:
    “…Just another scare Tactic. there has been no hint of Violence, well unless you count the SEIU guy who beat up the guy opposing Barack.”
    ——————————————————–
    why, shame on you, Kim…you forgot to include your racist remark…it shoulda read,

    “….unless you count the SEIU guy who beat up the BLACK guy opposing Barack.”
    ———————————————————
    jeeperz…where’s your sense of ‘equality’? LOL!
    (it’s all SO confusing, aint it?) Don’t worry though; Rush can’t seem to get it right either.

  26. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    No Army, those are the merits of the case (what is probably not discoverable). The only “facts” discoverable have to do with proving whether the court has jurisdiction, not proving whether Obama is legitimate.
    I would say this is not a good sign. But then, Carter could simply be being cautious.

  27. Orly needs my logical argument and it needs to be sent to Carter immediately.

    There is no need for discovery because the defendent hasn’t provided suitable legal proof of citizenship based on numerous statutes in the U.S. Code. This includes:

    1. A certificate of U.S. Citizenship provided by the U.S. State Department
    2. A certificate of U.S. Citizenship provided by the U.S. Secretary of State
    3. A current passport (this may be insufficient however as it does not provide any evidence of birth in the U.S.)
    4. An affidavit of citizenship from the U.S. Department of Interior
    5. A certified copy of a birth certificate provided directly from the state of Hawaii

    The only discovery needed would be if the defense has ample legal proof of citizenship that legally refutes the evidence subitted by Orly and co. regarding proof of Kenyan citizenship. That falls under the jurisdiction of the Judicial Branch as it applies to U.S. Immigration Law.

    Proof of citizenship is the mininum requirement that needs satisfied first before Article II is. Once it gets to the Article II, i.e. NATURAL BORN, level and Soetoro has proven birth in the U.S. instead of Kenya, the argument goes to STEP 2: Going to the Legislative Branch. They are chartered with enforcing the Law of Nations.

    And the only way for Soetoro and his thugs to do this is to show proof that the Kenya BC is a fake. This is currently not a political Natural Born Citizen issue. This is an immigration issue. If Soetoro can’t prove that his fake COLB is genuine and also prove that what Orly has is a forgery, they are done like dinner before it ever gets political in nature.

    Come on Judge Carter. Get with the program.

  28. if you want an example of what happens when federal judges abuse their power-google John Mcbride in Texas

    He was suspended for 2 years for acting hostile towards attorneys

  29. The South @ 6:15: well, scrolled down to the end, as s.o.p. for me…heh, heh…was very comforted to discover ‘typos’ on the legal documents…guess if it don’t matter to the legal beagles…WTH am I worrying about here?! LOL.
    —————————————————-
    oh, and btw: wanna translate the punchline into simple English?!

  30. Wow! I just listened to P’s lament. Does she not know that she has caused some of what concerns her with all her name calling and baiting:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/17/pelosi_chokes_up_warning_against_political_violence.html

  31. Paulajal said:

    “I would say this is not a good sign. But then, Carter could simply be being cautious.”

    Carter is wrong. Due to the fact that this particular case focuses on evidence of birth abroad, the case is at first glance an immigration and naturalization one. It can’t even begin to be a political case until proof of U.S. citizenship is satisfied.

    I repeat this cannot become a political case until basic U.S. citizenship is satisfied. The U.S. court has jurisdiction over cases that are immigration in nature. In order for Soetoro to become a Senator as a Kenyan-born citizen, he would have to have become naturalized. End of story. Period. No proof has been provided refuting the Kenyan forgery.

    Come on Judge Carter. Get with the program.

  32. Nancy’s on camera crying (oh boo hoo) because she’s afraid of violence caused by heated rhetoric against Barky.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I would say with her statements lately regarding the 9/12 rally and denials of knowing the funds to ACORN were cut off, she’s more afraid of violence toward her from her constituents!!!!

  33. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    JeffM, none of that has anything to do with the Motion to Dismiss. Obama can be from Mars and it makes no difference if the court claims that it doesn’t have jurisdiction.

  34. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/

    Predictably about 70% of doctors say no to the health care overhaul. That is very bad news.

  35. They claim (Senate) house resolution 511 qualified John McCain as an NBC and Obama agreed to the premise that an NBC is a person born of two citizen parents. Yet no one calls Obama on the carpet based on even the false logic of adhering to Resolution 511. Just my two cents.

  36. JustMe,

    I responded to your H1N1 comments today at the very end of the last posting.

  37. Breaking just a few minutes ago on a TCOT tweet:
    Gov. Jindal signs order prohibiting any state agencies from entering into contracts with ACORN

    No source yet.

  38. What irony! On the 70th Anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Poland, President Obama has officially announced that he’s scrapping the anti-missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic.

  39. Canadian4Hillary

    TWE, great news! Hope Acorn folds up biz!

  40. Another person calls O a liar at his U of Maryland College Park speech today:

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/17/heckler-interrupts-obama-health-pitch/?feat=home_headlines

  41. Wow! I just listened to P’s lament. Does she not know that she has caused some of what concerns her with all her name calling and baiting:

    You mean like, “I am not extending unemployment benefits to those couch potatoes”??
    What a slap in the face for those at the time spending 100-150 per week on gas looking for a job.

  42. Truth Exists (Paulajal) // September 17, 2009 at 6:38 pm,

    You’re missing a very important point:

    The Federal Judicial Branch has jurisdiction over any and all cases involving matters of immigration.

    There is only one place in the U.S. Constitution granting judicial jurisdiction over citizenship by the Legislative Branch is in Article I, Section 8 which states:

    Congress has the power…

    “To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the Law of Nations”

    Natural Born Citizenship is a Law of Nations subject. This is very important because what Carter is trying to do is squeeze this case into an “Inferior Court” jurisdiction due to the political nature. Note here in the same section 8 of Article I of the U.S. Constitution:

    Congress has the power…

    “To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court”

    If you look at the Constitution, Article III defines that an inferior court has temporary jurisdiction only, and the that “their judges must be appointed by the President and the Senate and must hold office during good behavior subject to removal by impeachment only.”

    What Carter is saying is that Congress must create an inferior court to resolve this matter. Unfortunately there’s a conflict of interest because the President himself would have to appoint the judge handling his case.

    That’s complete nonsense. Now, what Carter can say is he grants the the motion of stay because the Legislative branch would have jurisdiction over this because it is an impeachment case, but he knows you can’t impeach a usurper.

    Come on Judge Carter, get with the program.

  43. re: the witch……….

    “The Speaker is now likening genuine opposition to assassination. Such insulting rhetoric not only undermines the credibility of her office, but it underscores the desperate attempt by her party to divert attention away from a failing agenda,” Sessions said in a statement. “During one of the most important policy debates of our time, the American people have been completely abandoned by those elected representatives under her control. Voters are justifiably frustrated with Washington, and the Speaker’s verbal assault on voters accomplishes nothing other than furthering her reputation for being wildly out of touch with the American people.”

  44. MN gov Tim Pawlenty says no state funding for ACORN:

    http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/59566592.html

  45. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    JeffM, Orly didn’t plead it that way, so it won’t be looked at that way.

  46. Carlyle-Obama and all his co-conspirators from whatever country they may be The Hague-War Crimes.
    Why were these laws put on the books in the first place, not to decorate a wall surely? Constitution to be obeyed. Obama not NBC- Nuremberg War Trials-to prevent terrible wars and the fiends who would start them for profit control which ever way they chose to plot-economically, politically etc.

  47. twe // September 17, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    I read an article today regarding these mandatory regulations…….spokespersons tried to portray that these measures were to be used only in extreme cases …….uhhh, like anthrax, etc.

    Yep..that really assured the Mass. residents, huh.

  48. Hi, Maddie:

    Thanks. I do wish that Leo would take up another case, but he’s not against it if the right case comes along. He’s also spoken to Orly to advise her on some stuff. One thing is that he has a great legal mind in sorting all of this out. Look at what else he says at his blog regarding this issue:

    “[Ed. She is looking for help. I believe she’s listening, but that’s not going to solve all the problems these cases have. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this is a quo warranto issue and it needs to be taken to the DC District Court and the rules of the statute need to be followed. Orly is not admitted in DC and pro hac vice is not that easy to attain. But that means a local counsel should be retained to file.

    I think Orly’s cases are going to be helpful though. She’s forced the courts and the DOJ to commit to a certain theory and now some other layers have a much clearer path of attack. So Orly’s cases, like Mr. Craig’s and all the other cases, while in many ways were certain to be dismissed, still made progress. This is something I have learned and will write about in a blog post. Before I thought these cases were no good for the issue and for PR… but now I’m starting to see that the defective cases have pushed the defendants, courts and the opposing counsel to state on the record various things which they will not be able to run from in the future.

    I’ve always said that if a case or theory comes along which I believe in, then I will enter the ring again. I don’t have anything yet, but I’m looking everywhere.]”

    Also, Maddie, he is truly interesting, I think, in the car dealer issues like with Chrysler and stuff. Look at it this way, even that could lead to discovery.

    And this is also the point that I’m interested in that Leo keeps bringing up: quo warranto…

    Any other attorneys here who can sort this out? I’m wondering if Leo is correct, which he may well be, plus he’s got a sister attorney that they talk back and forth all the time.

  49. Oops, correction…..should be truly interested…

  50. Paulajal,

    Can you explain how Orly hasn’t pleaded the case that way?

  51. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    JeffM, If you have written successful pleadings before, why don’t you write one up for Orly. She has time to amend. I have, and I don’t see anything in her arguments or pleading like what you are arguing. But I would love to see what a court would do with your arguments- very outside the box (that was a compliment).
    Alas, I’m afraid that your last paragraph about Carter saying the Legislative branch would have jurisdiction is exactly what he said in the discovery motion (or rather he said that was the argument which his ruling turned on).

  52. Jacqly Smith -Pelosi wasn’t crying when they installed Obama not NBC but definitely a card carrying member of the most corrupt political regime ACORN South Side of Chicago division. Pelosi and DNC and many others are just beginning to see the fruits of their corruption bear fruit, they are criminals and the people know it. The financial meltdown should have never happened, Bernie Madoff and his ilk should have never happened talk about a perfect storm she and others like her Democrat and Republican helped create. You do the crime, you do the time. WE THE PEOPLE rose up and we will not give up until this country and all her people have our Constitution returned Founding Fathers version, not their made up version. Can you imagine all the other corruption issues that we don’t know about yet? ACORN SEIU is a start. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

  53. tom hennigans

    VITAL Intelligence Radio Briefing

    http://blogs.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel

  54. JeffM,
    It is outside the box- and beautiful in it’s simpliciy. It keeps the case before Cater and puts the ball back in Barry’s court. Please share it with Orly.

  55. twe- Thank you.
    Just saw the Pelosi video. Needs better acting lessons, not ready for prime time players.
    She created cause, Pelosi now live with the effects. See what happens when you call your fellow Americans Astroturf.

  56. Paulajal said:

    “But I would love to see what a court would do with your arguments- very outside the box (that was a compliment).”

    Your compliment is much appreciated!

    “Alas, I’m afraid that your last paragraph about Carter saying the Legislative branch would have jurisdiction is exactly what he said in the discovery motion”

    Same here. Someone needs to correct him. They don’t and more importantly can’t use inferior courts to handle this matter.

    Ultimately, the case of Soetoro’s eligibility belongs in the Supreme Court. That’s who has supreme authority to interpret Constitutional Law and make a decision based upon it.

    Even if Congress could take a case like this, it would ultimately wind up in front of SCOTUS as the Legislative Branch has no authority under the Constitution to Interpret it.

    But, we’re not even there yet. No one can make a case on Natural Born Citizenship because the “Citizenship” part has not even been proven to be established yet. We don’t have the answer to this, and therefore the argument on Article II eligibility or lack thereof is moot.

  57. Nancy Pelosi,

    Crocodile tears. Political violence you say. So whose finger got bitten off? Who physically threatened voters at the booth? Who said bring us knives and we’ll show you guns? Whose pimping whom? And that’s only what you see, so that’s the good part.

    Oh dear Nancy, you poor soul, imprisoned in your own psychotic state.

  58. Prairie // September 17, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    I will share this with Orly, but it might be faster if someone here who converses with her daily could share it faster. I know she’s completely overwhelmed with information and I would hate to have it get lost in the weeds.

    Can anyone here help?

  59. Botox Nancy’s botox isn’t working too good now.

  60. I read these kind of blogs and see all the concern, but the question remains, why do most Conseratives go along with Obama’s being legitimate?

    Take the number one Conservative gadfly, Glen Beck. He will not touch the natural born issue. Neither do O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity. Liberal Hillary Clinton didn’t when she was running against Obama. Neither did McCain and Conservative Palin. President Bush said nothing as all this was going on.

    The Conservative majority on the Supreme Court would not hear Berg’s case. No one in Congress will deal with this issue either.

    How is it Obama is not only able to keep his birth information out of view, but all his personal records–school records, passport, medical, etc.?

    What is Obama holding over all these people’s heads? How is he able to get all these people to go along with his charade?

    When you can factually answer these questions, then the real truth may begin to be seen for what it is.

    What is the most secretive branch of government, sometimes called the 5th Arm of government? It has an unlimited budget. It exists for a purpose that trumps all, namely, national security.

    What is BIC (Business International Corporation) where Obama worked after college? What was he really doing in Pakistan during his student years? In Africa? Why the hooplah over the unoffical view of his passport and the murder of a DC police officer looking into this?

    Where was Bin-Laden when Obama visited Pakistan? What was going on then (1980s) in Afghanistan? How was Obama able to get into Pakistan when Americans at that time were forbidden entrance there? How did we get arms to Bin-Laden and the Afghan rebels to fight the Soviets?

    I bring this up every once in awhile at various blogs, but I am yet to find anyone else who is able to put two and two together and get four.

    I figure this is part of where “race” does enter the picture. People scoff at the idea of the CIA recruiting such as Obama. He doesn’t fit the white, James Bond, or Blackford Oaks profile in their minds. I hear such things as, “he’s too stupid,” etc. People who don’t know a damn thing about the CIA and how it operates, yet are such authorities on it.

    Well, continue in your willful ignorance. Don’t answer the question of why so many are playing along. Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity, Congress & the Court have all been briefed. They are insiders and will not compromise classified information and all of Obama’s personal stuff is classified. The so-called Conservative watchdogs are doing their “patriotic duty.” Meantime, the Company rules and with Leon Penetta in charge the Leftwingers now have the upper hand.

  61. JeffM, then what needs to happen with Leo Donofrio says “quo warranto”? How does this come about and what does it mean? I have put a question out to him, but my present question isn’t answered yet. I don’t think that Orly can do this, right?

  62. interesting article, cold packs, ice showers, to stop the vaccine from working

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  63. Let’s get down to brass tacks:

    We have no proof Soetoro is a U.S. Citizen at all because we have no documentation that proves he still is or ever was one

    Period, end of story. I just can’t understand why it’s so difficult for a prominent judge to not understand the law at this level.

    I can just hear the rebuttals now:

    “But he has a U.S. passport”

    Yeah, so what. So do lots of illegal immigrants.

    “But he was a senator”

    Yeah, so what. No one checks the citizenship of senators because there’s nobody requiring evidence of it.

    “But we saw a COLB online”

    Yeah, so what. Online photocopies copies of copies are not legal documents. I take that back. “Judge Land” says they are so it must be legal.

    “But he has a birth announcement in Hawaii.”

    Yeah, so what. So do countless other expatriots.

    “But he has to be a citizen because his mommy was a citizen.”

    Yeah, so what. The State Department doesn’t issue certificates of Citizenship based on mommy’s citizenship or a note from her either.

    “But he went to school and gre up in America”

    Yeah, so what. So do millions of Mexicans living here.

    “But Jeff, how can you believe that a person who’s born in Hawaii not be a citizen???”

    Excuse me? Which bus stop did you leave your brain behind at? You ever heard of Hemmingway? T.S. Elliot? Morrison? Madonna?

  64. twe // September 17, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Hey twe,

    I just submitted a comment to this story. One poster said he wanted to support Jindal for POTUS in 2012. Jindal (as much as I like him) ain’t an NBC, either. Hope my post straightened the dude out…

  65. Because I am part French and Austro-Hungarian I have always been fascinated by the French Revolution-it could have been prevented so many times-another classic case of the “government” not listening or caring about the people a/k/a over burdened taxpayers.
    The DNC could prevent any further problems by using the option of Obama not NBC and the government could start today by reforming itself. WE THE PEOPLE have spoken time and again, we are the peaceful, legal group. After the fall of the Bastille anything that resembled any kind of law and order gone in a twinkling of an eye. DNC this is all on you. You created this mess for purely selfish reasons fix it-Fast.
    Causes of the French Revolution
    Political and Social Inequalities
    France still practised feudalism in the 18th century. The nobles and clergy enjoyed special privileges. They did not have to pay taxes. The common people did not have power and freedom in politics. They worked hard and had to pay heavy taxes. The nobles and clergy made up the First and Second Estates in the Estates General. The common people (i.e. the middle class (bourgeoisie), peasants and artisans) made up the Third Estate. The nobles and clergy could outvote the common people easily though the Estates General was always not called by the king, who ruled as an absolute monarch. The common people became discontented with the privileged classes.
    Bankruptcy of the Government
    Louis XIV had spent too much. His successors did not cut down expenses. Louis XVI also failed to improve the financial situation. He dismissed ministers who tried to introduce financial reforms. By 1789, the government was bankrupt.
    Influence of the Enlightenment and the American Revolution
    The ideas and writings of Enlightenment thinkers like Montesquieu, Voltaire, and Rousseau became widespread. The French people were inspired to go against their king.
    The suucess of the Americans to overthrow British rule encouraged the French to fight for their freedom.
    Outbreak of revolution 1789
    When Louis XVI finally called the Estates General to solve financial difficulties, the Third Estate did not agree with the unfair system of the Estates General. They formed the National Assembly to make a constitution. People were afraid that the king would suppress the National Assembly. They were also discontented that the king dismissed Necker, the popular Finance Minister. The hungry Parisians, who suffered from bad harvest, burst out their anger by attacking the Bastille prison (for political prisoners). The Fall of Bastille started the French Revolution. It spread out to other parts of France.

  66. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    Kitty, I can answer that. In order to file a quo warranto proceeding in the DC court, first you need a special client (there are very very few who would work-Leo doesn’t have one yet, and in fact no one does according to Leo). Then you have to get permission from the court to even file it (yea, right). And, of course, Orly cannot do it without being admitted to the court for practice there.
    Personally, I think there are other ways around it (like perhaps JeffM’s way, or fraud, or others). My experience with court’s is that they have differing opinions on things, so anyone who thinks they can determine for sure what courts will do is full of it. We have to keep trying different ways in different places.

  67. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    oops! courts on court’s (don’t talk to me while I’m typing!!!!) hehe

  68. kittycat,

    Donofrio and others simply do not understand the meaning of quo warranto as it pertains to elections.

    In this case, quo warranto means “I’m the rightful winner, get out of my chair”.

    There are only 2 people on the planet who could have claimed this and file this in civil court:

    1. John McCain
    2. Ralph Nader

    John would lose this case. Ralph would win. Mr. Nader, where the hell are you? Are you a blockhead? You could be POTUS even now yet you’re too ignorant to know any better.

    There is only one other time quo warranto is justified. It applies to the federal and state governments. Only the DA of any of the 50 states or the federal DA can file quote warranto based on this premise:

    “You didn’t win the election fair and square. Get out of the winner’s chair.”

    But we’ll never see this because, well you know why.

  69. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    courts NOT court’s
    OK time for a nap

  70. JeffM,
    You forgot he has a U.S. Social Security number though- haha

  71. SueK -I like Jindal too, but you are correct he is not NBC either. What’s wrong with our American guys? I think next president is going to come out of our military.

  72. testing: having prob posting

  73. JJ // September 17, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    Evening JJ,

    Yes, I posted that article.

    I can’t divulge how I know this to be true for ‘extreme emergency situations’ but it is.

    This plan was developed for an H5N1 pandemic, which never happened; it was modified when H1N1 reared its head. If you check other states’ emergency plans, I’m sure you’ll find very much the same emergency procedures that can be implemented for a catastrophic occurrence.

  74. I am not against Obama because of his color. “I am against him because on Social issues, he is Red; On National Security Issued He is Yellow”, and On dealing with our enemies, the only flag he raises is White.

  75. This may be a dumb question, if Orly argued the case as you lay out, could she ask for his school records (foreign scholarship or aid) in discovery?

  76. Prairie // September 17, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Sorry, I forgot about that one. Let me add it to the list of rebuttals:

    “But Jeff, he has a Social Security Number, doesn’t that make him a citizen?”

    Yeah, so what. Expatriots also have social security numbers. Elvis has one too. But he’s not a citizen any more.

  77. Kittycat,
    Leo….
    now I’m starting to see that the defective cases have pushed the defendants, courts and the opposing counsel to state on the record various things which they will not be able to run from in the future
    I’m glad he sees the importance
    of the whole body of legal work on this complex
    issue and that it will currently help going
    forward.

    I agree about Quo Warranto. Remember, it
    seems ages ago now, Quo Warranto was
    what we were all talking about?

  78. I should say in the limited discover granted already.

  79. JeffM,
    Yeah, so what. Expatriots also have social security numbers. Elvis has one too. But he’s not a citizen any more.
    **************

    Yeah, and so do a lot of 110 year olds. Or
    Yeah, I hear he has several.

  80. Dean M.,

    You are neither the first, nor will be the last to ask these important questions.

    The absence of answers (and I presume that includes you) tells you the information is inaccessible. So it may not be that the questions haven’t been asked, but that an appropriate platform for them has yet to be created.

    You and others will know as soon as one is created.

  81. Prairie,

    Orly should be asking for one or more of the following during discovery to prove he’s still a citizenfirst:

    1. A birth certificate
    2. A U.S. Passport, under the condition the State Department confirms he used a valid birth certificate to obtain it
    3. A certificate of Citizenship from the U.S. Attorney General
    4. A certificate of Citizenship from the U.S. Secretary of State

    There is nothing else needed at this point. Ask me why…

  82. Michelle // September 17, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Evening, Michelle,

    From this guy’s handle and the way he phrased his sentences, I’m assuming he/she comes from a country other than the U.S.

    This would be understandable in this case, but when our own NBCs don’t know what an NBC is as it relates to the POTUS, I get a little worried…

    Hope you’re right..we need a savvy military guy/woman in there.

  83. WHY??????

  84. DRUM ROLL. . . . . .

  85. Thanks to Truth Exists, to JeffM for tell us what this all means. Also, thanks to my friend SueK for updating us on this flu crap.

  86. kittycat // September 17, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Hey Kitty,

    and yes…this flu IS crap! Don’t buy into the hype!

  87. Truth Exists, JeffM, are you guys both attorneys? And if so, can’t y’all think of anything else to get this usurper? It could have anything to do with including having discovery, right?

  88. Thanks Prairie,

    Here’s why. Let’s say the judge says “that’s a fair request. After all you’re only asking for basic proof of citizenship”.

    Now, the defense has a choice of the following:

    1. Provide just one
    2. Provide more than one
    3. Provide all of them

    Now the plaintiffs in this case have an enormous leg up on the defense. Take a guess as to which one Soetoro and his merry band of thugs would choose?

    Do you think they are going to pick the Birth Certificate? I didn’t think so. Now the plaintiffs have the defendants in a proverbial legal headlock.

    Orly comes out and says: “We demand an explanation as to why the defendants didn’t provide a certified copy of his birth certificate to the court when they posted a copy of it on the internet for all the world to review.”

  89. How many people do we have here that have had this flu yet? I thought that I heard some saying they had a flu.

  90. SueK-I think military back ground due to the discipline angle and not corrupt, and the things they saw on the battlefield, the sacrifices made. Not corrupt and really care about their fellow Americans.
    The little speeches that our fellow Americans made at the town hall meetings all from the heart, extemporaneously both the guys and the girls. So much more meaningful and sincere than all of the politicans put together. Except Joe Wilson’s short and sweet YOU LIE.

  91. JeffM: 1. A birth certificate
    2. A U.S. Passport, under the condition the State Department confirms he used a valid birth certificate to obtain it
    3. A certificate of Citizenship from the U.S. Attorney General
    4. A certificate of Citizenship from the U.S. Secretary of State
    There is nothing else needed at this point. Ask me why…”

    I know that you’re writing to Prairie, but I want to ask why?

    thanks

  92. The South: just to see what he’s up to, I checked in to see what Andy Martin’s got on the grill:
    regardless of your opinion of him, I thought you might find some of this to align with the ‘corporation’ angle: i.e.
    “who legally ‘owns the house’?!”
    (meaning; all of us?!)
    it appears to be in foreclosure…
    ———————————————————
    http://www.contrariancommentary.com/community/Home/tabid/36/mid/363/newsid363/532/Default.aspx
    ——————————————————–

  93. Michelle // September 17, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Michelle, the military vs. politicians. Helluva difference!

    I choose Door #1.

  94. Sorry CW for posting this here but I just have to share with all of you…My son was just awarded his Eagle Scout! I am so proud of him.

  95. Jenna-Thank you Jenna, congratulations to your son. I know what you have to do to become an Eagle Scout. Very very good.

  96. Jenna // September 17, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Congrats, Jenna, and congrats to your Eagle Scout. Well done :).

  97. Ok, off topic but seriously are they trying to kill me mentally? kilpatrick was the mayor of Detroit, you know the usual theft in politicans, lies ect… had to do time, althought if i could steal millions 90 days is chump change for that type of cash. He owes a million in restitution.. at 1st was to be 6 grand a month, he got it down to 3 grand, but he wanted it to go down to 6, I repeat 6 dollars a month, imagine that they turned him down. I can not keep a straight face when I want to say 6 dollars. What has happened to my Father’s Country???

  98. Dean M.,

    I don’t mean to imply that I don’t appreciate you asking these very important questions, because they have been baffling me for a very long time.

    But this is what the people through their endless efforts are trying to expose. There are too many contradictions, too many overt public errors, too many explicit cover-ups and too little yield when efforts to understand have failed.

    If your premise that the BC issue is fully and completely suppressed for national security reasons are accurate then the conundrum is self-perpetuating.

    It is akin to telling a child that he/she must undergo massive surgery that would involve pain, confinement, loss of mobility, but that it must be done for their “own good”. Furthermore you cannot warn them of such effect because it is for their “own good”. In the meantime they are ushered into strange places, with strange people, enduring painful pre-operative procedures and nobody is SAYING
    ANYTHING.

    You get the picture. It is by definition an impenetrable scenario for which there are no answers.

  99. JeffM,
    It is so clear, clean, and clever- as my son would say- your mind is prancing outside of the box now!

    SINGIN’
    We will, we will deport you!

  100. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    I’m an attorney but not practicing anymore. I found the courts too corrupt (even though I won my cases). Still, I kept thinking that if the American people really knew what our court system was about they would be appalled.

  101. The motion to dismiss is based on the defendents spinning the case as a political question. Orly should emphasize that it is not the policies themselves but the Constitutional question involving the legitimacy of the policy maker – therefore the case is a Constitutional one, not a political one. It is an unsettled Constitutional question (as the judge himself has mentioned) and must be settled for the benefit of all effected. She should build on this angle since that appears to be the one the judge already is concerned with. She must rebutt the defense strongly that it is not a political question re: foreign policy etc.

  102. Prairie,

    It gets even better. What the plaintiffs also did was reveal an enormous hole in immigration law. I think you’re going to love this one.

    Let’s say discovery is granted for just one of these documents and the defense picks the Birth Certificate.

    Now the plaintiffs request an explanation as to how a birth certificate dated back in 1961 at birth proves a person is still a U.S. citizen in 2009.

    Now we have a backpeddling court and a backpeddling defendant. Now we’ll start to see some unique documentation being requested from the State Department. Things like passport records and immigration/emmigration paperwork. The judge will have to because he just granted discover to prove, beyond a doubt Soetoro still is a U.S. Citizen.

  103. “Discovery” that is.

    This is how you get people into a legal ringer. Know the laws. Know the holes. And know how people will react. Be 2 steps ahead at all times.

  104. Truth Exists (Paulajal) -I read this book it was fascinating and horrific. Drunk attorney’s, judges etc. These wrongly convicted people were sometimes days from execution, meanwhile the guilty party is free to commit more crimes. Very eye opening.
    Actual Innocence: Five Days to Execution and Other Dispatches from the Wrongly Convicted (Doubleday, 2000). This excellent new book by DNA experts Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld and columnist Jim Dwyer, tells the stories of ten innocent men wrongly convicted and sentenced to death or to prison and the effectively explains how such miscarriages of justice come about. Read DPIC’s summary of Actual Innocence.

  105. JeffM,
    You need to share this with Orly. I think a poster named Molly at Plains is in contact with her, unless someone here is? She often posts a phone number, you should call her Jeff, your idea warrents her consideration.

  106. Cousin Vinny Gambini had a harder case to plea then this and he came out alright.

    Orly will be find . As for Carter , he painted himself into a corner , he has to rule on the evidence he asked for because it’s right under his nose.

    How is he going to dismiss the case when Soetoro ‘s lawyers show up and tell the judge their not going to cough up the records?, which is exactly whats going to happen.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

  107. SueK-military know how to give orders. Pelosi, Obama DNC with all the important problems our country is facing they are acting like 2 year olds in a sandbox fighting over toys. Pathetic name calling, bashing, don’t get their way have a little fit, wining etc. Their conduct is unbecoming a human being. Any foreign nation looking at this country and they are must think the United States of America has been taken over by imbeciles. Most of that credit goes to the DNC.
    I’m a registered Democrat and I’m not going to vote for these lunatics and my best guess is 70 percent of my fellow Democrats won’t either. Please Republican party put up somebody good.

  108. JeffM,
    I just reread all of your explainations again. Jumping into NBC issue was simply putting the cart before the horse-
    Now you respond “Yes, grasshopper.”

  109. Prairie,

    I’ll be happy to do so but I need to get this all nailed down first. I’m not sure how bad a squeeze Orly is in right now. There are too many irons in the fire for each case she’s submitted. We must do the literal “It’s as easy as 1-2-3” presentation of the facts. So, maybe all the wonderful blog folks on here can help me get this down to simplest of terms.

    A good idea may be a flow chart. Let me see if I can build one here quickly.

  110. She created cause, Pelosi now live with the effects. See what happens when you call your fellow Americans Astroturf

    NO, Michelle, we’re ‘couch potatoes’……

  111. Michelle

    It’s slim picking on the GOP side too , they appear to be mostly RINO’s and globalists.

    I quit supporting the GOP right after the coronation of the usurper.

    The only real Conservative and NBC I know about is Palin.

  112. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    Michelle, yeah, it’s bad. I was in chambers with judges too many times when the judge asked who had the money and how long could we keep the case going. (Of course, they are not all like that.)

  113. Michelle // September 17, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Right, Michelle-I’ve never seen such childish behavior from adults in my life.

    I hope that this last election has taught us to vote for the *person* and not the *party.* Some, however, will still vote along party lines, even if Donald Duck is running against Mickey Mouse (whom I’ve written in once) .

    Choose the best person for the job!

  114. Watch Hannity! Those poor people in The Joaquin Valley. My GOD,….. How can the Government do this to AMERICA? Someone needs to turn that water back on. NOW!
    This is Domestic TERRORISM! God Save US ALL from this Tyranny.
    Nancy (HAGGY POLOSI) must have her money invested in the wind power plants they want to put up there. SOME NEEDS TO CHECK IN TO THIS.

  115. Truth Exists (Paulajal)

    Observer, let’s hope that Orly (or someone) points that out to the judge, because, of course, you are exactly right.
    Also, you go JeffM!

  116. Watching Hannity in California with a huge crowd, screaming, begging, pleading, for Obama to turn the damn water on in the valley.

    This is unfu**ing believable!

    People are in food lines out there, starving, losing their jobs, and this administration could care less.

    Why?

    Because they want to build solar power plants on that farm land.

    I hope those people pick up arms, and storm that water pipeline, and turn it back on.

    I can’t believe this America anymore.

    This is domestic terrorism!

  117. readyforaction

    Entirely different take on Land’s decision. Dismissing the case had nothing to do with the plaintiff.

    http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/rhodes-v-macdonald-judge-clays-ruling/

    And they have a very simple way to make judge go on record.

    http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/make-the-judge-go-on-record-re-barrys-eligibility/

  118. Obama bows to Putin ?. check it out……..We’re in trouble friends……..

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

  119. JeffM 9:38 pm
    Prairie,
    Chronological order and flow chart, so much has happened out of order (as it was discovered) it would be helpful to keep all this information straight.

  120. This boy, Land – he’s obviously not a man – uses no reasoning, no logic in his ruling. Land comes at it in true obot fashion, Saul Alinsky style: If you’ve got nothin’, sink to using ad hominem attacks (“Alice in Wonderland”) and riducule.

    Do judges normally lower themselves in this way in their rulings?

    And if ANYONE thinks that simply saying something makes it so, it is the idiot Land:

    Because Land says that Obama is not ineligible because a bunch of money was spent does NOT make it so, even if Land wishes it did.

    Because Land says that there was ample opportunity for discovery does NOT mean that proper discovery was pursued or made (not sure my terminology is correct), even if he wishes it was.

    Because the unpatriotic traitorous morons in Congress have their thumbs up their collective @$$e$ doesn’t mean that Obama isn’t ineligible, even though Land wishes it did.

    And I’d love for someone to tell me what this means, vis-s-vis “irony”:

    “Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, plaintiff unashamedly alleges that defendant has the burden to prove his ‘natural born’ status,” Land states. “Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our country was founded in order to purportedly ‘protect and preserve’ those very principles.”

    Do we all not have to prove who we are when we get a driver’s license, let alone run the free world? Is it too much to ask that the guy with the launch codes be forced to prove his citizenship??

    No, Orly Taitz, our “Lady Liberty,” is not to blame for this. The blame sits squarely on the shoulders of everyone who is sitting back and doing nothing, or worse, working AGAINST those who are doing their best to save our country. I’d hate to see the “reward” that is in store for those that are selling the United States down the river. Orly Taitz is paddling upstream as fast as she can, and making headway. We should all be helping her to steer this situation the best of our individual abilities!

  121. Dean M. // September 17, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Don’t stop there. Heard this ‘theory’ before from a agent, CIA (former??).

    If he was an agent, what in the hell is going on with him in the position he is now??
    Why??
    What is to be accomplished??
    Are other countries involved??
    Are our allies aware??
    Israel?? What role did they play if any??
    Is this the plan from NWO, heck forget the UN??
    Is the plan to actually turn this country into third world status??? And how would that help the world??
    And, how much of this “plan” did Mccain, Bush, Clinton(always suspected if there was a plan, she was in on it) know about???
    How have they kept all quiet …….blackmail or threats…….????we’re all so cocky, noble, and brave until they tell us they know where our kids go to school…

    YOUR TURN, NOW……..DEAN M.

  122. JeffM-
    Now the plaintiffs have the defendants in a proverbial legal headlock.

    Orly comes out and says: “We demand an explanation as to why the defendants didn’t provide a certified copy of his birth certificate to the court when they posted a copy of it on the internet for all the world to review.”

    sounds good.
    can’t wait to see your chart:)

  123. JJ-Ms Nancy Pelosi-had to be the first female speaker of the house, so Historic-blah blah blah
    She will be the first female speaker of the house led off in handcuffs. That’s historic and just.

  124. If I was Arnold I’d turn the water on and claim state sovreingnty, state emergency or something. Screw Pelosi et al and their environmental green excess crap. These people need help now. Relocate the fish or whatever but turn the water on Obama.

  125. And, holey moley, I just saw this on WND:

    Feminist Camille Paglia: Birthers have a point
    Tells radio audience ‘there are legitimate questions about the documentation’

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: September 17, 2009
    1:46 pm Eastern

    © 2009 WorldNetDaily

    Feminist icon Camille Paglia, a Salon.com columnist who earlier wrote about the ambiguities of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, now has told a National Public Radio audience that those who have questions about his eligibility actually have a point.

    President Obama

    Talking to the NPR program “On Point” this week, she provided a defense to the citizens who carried protest signs asking “Where’s The Birth Certificate” at the recent protests that drew hundreds of thousands to Washington.

    The program discussion focused on the “civility” of the political attacks on both Obama and his critics. One caller to the program described his visit to Washington and the myriad signs questioning Obama’s eligibility to be in office.

    “It was unbelievable. It was absolutely everywhere,” the caller stated.

    Paglia responded:

    First of all, I reject the idea that the ‘birther’ campaign is motivated by racism. There may be racism among it, but there are legitimate questions about the documentation of Obama’s birth certificate. I’m sorry, I’ve been following this closely from the start. To assume that all those signs about the birth controversy were motivated by racism, that is simply wrong.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110114

    I hear she’s a nutcase, but if she is turning on the liah mess-iah, but that woman writes for Salon, a dyed-in-the-wool Dem publication.

    The worm is DEFINITELY starting to turn…

  126. #

    Civis Naturaliter Natus // September 16, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    DABIG,

    If you read Rhode’s initial complaint, the charge of British Citizenship is made on p. 37…(see link from The Post & Email above, for cite)

    your accusation is false, sir, and I ask you to writhdraw it…
    —————————-
    CNN,
    I’m somewhat behind, this is yesterday’s posting but felt I should address it.
    You’re correct, there it is in paragraph 137!!
    I missed it, as did the “honorable” judge.
    As per your request, I withdraw my original statement.
    Looks as if the judge may have backed himself into a corner.
    Thanks for the link and correcting my initial statement.

  127. Truth Exists (Paulajal)-that had to sickening and heartbreaking. No wonder people flip out.
    Are you familiar with Operation Greylord? FBI busted at that time all the corrupt judges and attorneys, yes Chicago again. One of the girls we worked with her husband FBI, we did not know about it, she couldn’t tell anybody until after they busted that mess wide open. Can attorneys call the FBI themselves? or wear a wire?

  128. #

    jbjd // September 16, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    DABIG,

    Have you seen the complaint of election fraud against Brian Schatz, Democrative Party of HI, to be filed with HI AG Bennett? Please, go to my site and read it, and let me know whether you will file it.
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com
    ———————————-
    To jbjd
    I’ve read it, and yes I would.
    I have a “residence” query, will get in touch on your site.
    Thanks for the info.

  129. JJ,
    I know your question isn’t addressed to the group, but I don’t believe that Bush, McCain,
    or Clintons are involved in Obama’s
    NWO pathway. What I do think, though, is
    Obama is involved in bringing Islam as a
    major player in this country. He sure was
    heavily funded in his campaign by Arabs.
    The Rev. Wright was a “former” Muslim
    who still has strong ties to Farrakhan.
    Obama is showing he doesn’t care if he turns
    this country into Third World status if he has to
    to put forth his Socialist agenda.

    The longer he is in power the more danger
    and destruction he is causing America.

  130. Truth Exists (Paulajal) and JeffM……………….

    For everyone that didn’t know (I didn’t):
    quo warranto—a plaintiff’s claim that some govt or corporation official was not validly elected to that office is wrongly exercising powers beyond those authorized by statute or charter.

    This definitely explains the situation well, huh??

  131. He may be a citizen, but the requirement is a Natural Born citizen for commander in chief. It is not easy trying to educate folks either. Many say, well i didn’t know that. And i think to myself, if you don’t know find out. A native or natural born, are those born in a country to citizen parents. God Bless.

  132. CW,

    I would like throw this at the Judge….

    and a few other judges….. for years former Justice O’Connor has been trying to tell the judicial and us something………

    “JUDICIAL ACCOUNTABILITY MUST SAFEGUARD, NOT
    THREATEN, JUDICIAL INDEPENDENCE: AN INTRODUCTION

    SANDRA DAY O’CONNOR

    This issue of the Denver University Law Review is devoted to an
    important subject: judicial accountability. Properly understood, judicial
    accountability is a fundamental democratic requirement of our federal
    and State governments. Put simply, judges must be accountable to the
    public for their constitutional role of applying the law fairly and impartially.
    Judicial accountability, however, is a concept that is frequently
    misunderstood at best and abused at worst. It has become a rallying cry
    for those who want in reality to dictate substantive judicial outcomes.
    The notion of accountability is superficially attractive: judges who reach
    outcomes that part ways with the will of the majority—often mislabeled
    “activist” judges—should be held “accountable.”
    This simplistic understanding of accountability—judicial accountability
    for the majority’s desired substantive outcomes—ignores the role
    of the judiciary and indeed the very structure of our democratic governments,
    State and federal. Worse, this perversion of the concept of judicial
    accountability threatens to undermine the safeguards of democracy
    and liberty that were so brilliantly conceived by those who first designed
    our governmental institutions and drafted our Constitution. In short,
    “[p]opulist, substance-based accountability for judges is precisely what
    the Founders feared[.]”1 The Framers placed at the core of the judiciary’s
    design the concept of judicial independence as a means to guarantee
    the Rule of Law. Judicial independence is the vital mechanism that
    empowers judges to make decisions that may be unpopular but nonetheless
    correct. In so doing, the judiciary vindicates the principle that no
    person or group, however powerful, is above the law. And it gives life to
    the promise that the Rule of Law safeguards the minority from the tyranny
    of the majority….”

    Read more here (pdf)…..

    “Current Issue

    2008, Vol. 86
    Issue 1

    Defining Judicial Accountability: A Survey

    * Judicial Accountability Must Safeguard, Not Threaten, Judicial Independence: An Introduction
    Sandra Day O’Connor”

    http://law.du.edu/index.php/denver-university-law-review/current-issues

    Thanks everyone for your great cmments!

  133. One tiny other little thing, that will make a big impact, I think (please forgive me if any of these stories is a repeat :-):

    09.17.09 “Obama’s Eligibility Baggage Just a Coincidence?” Or was Compromised Candidate Deliberate? (WND.com)

    ——————————————————————————–

    All in quotes, and very exciting, but scary, reading!

    Exclusive: Marylou Barry wonders if globalists using issue to keep president in line

    Recent revelations make it increasingly likely that the Democratic National Committee was aware of Barack Obama’s eligibility problems before certifying his nomination for president. But has anyone considered that perhaps the choice of a compromised candidate for that office was not accidental but deliberate?

    “In politics there are no accidents,” Franklin Delano Roosevelt once said. “If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.”

    [snip]

    With so much for so many depending on four years of American foreign policy, though, I sure have trouble believing nominations actually originate in the DNC or RNC. If they did, surely another smooth-spoken, left-leaning, Islam-supporting, black Democrat could have been found to sub for the eligibility-impaired community organizer from Chicago. This should have been the obvious path for the DNC – or whatever shadow entity it is that controls nominations of the two major parties. Why wasn’t it?

    To answer that question, I hearken back to a 2007 article by columnist, terrorism researcher and Vietnam War veteran Patrick Briley. Briley’s article, entitled “Using Terrorists to Establish World Government,” calls into question the actions of not just Democratic but also Republican higher-ups, including George W. Bush, in pandering to Islamic interests.

    [snip]

    Apparently, both Anglo globalist politicians and Muslim power brokers want world government and differ only as to which of their two groups should be at the top of the pecking order. In the symbiotic relationship that ensues, each side imagines it is using the other to achieve its goals. But in the final analysis, only one side will be able to prevail.

    [snip]

    So why would advocates of communism/world government within our nation want an unstable president in the White House? Because an incumbent with one foot on a banana peel is so much easier to control than one with both feet planted firmly on solid ground. If Obama turned out to be an Islamist at heart rather than the socialist the global kingmakers think he is – and I dare guess that even they are not 100 percent sure – no risky impeachment or bloody physical attack would be needed to remove him from power. All they’d have to do is stop suppressing the eligibility evidence; he’d be gone in a month and have no one to blame but himself. The Republicans would get to think they won one, the communists/globalists would come out shining for refusing to subvert justice, and President Joe Biden, who arguably harbors no such messianic delusions toward Islam, would be a lot easier to manage than his unruly predecessor.

    In other words, what if the eligibility issue was not someone’s oversight? What if the nominating entity actually wanted an unstable president who could be easily unseated if he ever decided to stray from the socialist agenda? Then they’d have found the best of both worlds in Barack Hussein Obama. With a little pandering to Islam, Middle East oil barons could be trained to think of him as a Muslim, while his eligibility impediment would remain as a clean, neat, legal and moral handle with which he could be yanked from power should he ever veer off globalist course toward the Ummah.

    Sound far out? Yes, but isn’t that what we would have said five years ago about socialized medicine, government takeover of major industries, plans for a private civilian army larger than our armed forces, admitted communists appointed to high office, and the election of a president with no birth certificate or past who promised us only an unspecified future?

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=110026

  134. The South
    No wonder why the people are frantic.
    I saw this on TV a week or two ago, it is about Woolf, and others, said they are also concerned about the wrong message the sale sends to those who say farmers don’t need water and support decisions that put fish before humans. They are referring to decisions to not pump water out of the San Joaquin Delta because the pumps might harm the delta smelt, a tiny fish
    http://www.valleyvoicenewspaper.com/vv/stories/2009/vv_watersale_0215.htm

  135. CJ // September 17, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    If I was Arnold I’d turn the water on and claim state sovreingnty, state emergency or something. Screw Pelosi et al and their environmental green excess crap. These people need help now. Relocate the fish or whatever but turn the water on Obama.
    ++++++++
    CJ,
    I just watched Hannity’s show—He did a fantastic job in getting the word out about
    the CA “dust bowl.”
    I agree—relocate that fish is the best idea
    and you and I know that Arnold could just
    turn on that water. Let the other side get
    “flooded” if they don’t like it!

  136. Michelle, you said: (Pelosi) “She will be the first female speaker of the house led off in handcuffs. That’s historic and just.”

    All I have to say is, Amen, sister!

  137. Truth Exists (Paulajal) // September 17, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Truth, surprise, we know…..the courts are only for the wealthy and famous….the jails are for the poor and unknown???

  138. The Delta smelt is like a minnow. I’m not saying minnows aren’t important, but this tiny fish is
    keeping farmers from feeding the world from this location.

  139. azgo-
    “vindicates the principle that no
    person or group, however powerful, is above the law. And it gives life to
    the promise that the Rule of Law safeguards the minority from the tyranny
    of the majority….”
    I hope she’s prescient.

  140. Margie,

    We’re all aware of the Natural Born Citizenship requirement.

    But we must first establish is if this guy is even a citizen first, now, today. We can’t even confirm he is a citizen. There is no evidence of it whatsoever.

    No birth certificate assures anyone to be a citizen of the U.S. at the present day. Use the COLB/BC as a tool to get more information and back the defendants into a corner, not as a smoking gun.

  141. 9/11 Truth in 9 Minutes

  142. Michelle,

    “I hope she’s prescient.”

    Me too! I had to look up your word !!!

    She wrote the article 11/24/08, just after the election.

  143. kittycat-Since I grew up with the boys, my sisters came along 5 years later, I did boy (tom-boy) type play. Climb trees, make tree forts, build igloos-I never felt a part of Women’s Liberation. I was born that way. I think some women like Pelosi got the feminist thing a little wacky. When you’re playing with the guys you either keep up or you’re out. Feminine wiles stuff, guys don’t like it, and I have yet to see a guy dumb enough to fall for that. Gets on their nerves. They have no patience for that stuff.

  144. Let me address the issue of ‘defective’ cases.

    THERE HAS NOT BEEN TO DATE A SINGLE ‘DEFECTIVE’ CASE FILED IN ANY COURT!

    How could there be? Almost all have been dismissed for lack of standing, or made moot by the passage of time.

    What has been uncovered are numerous ‘defective’ election procedures, fraud, misrepresentation, and outright lies. Which means that every single case brought forward has been remarkably ‘effective.’

    Is the tyrant still in office? Yes. That he is a tyrant is proved by this — by his grandiose schemes for economic and social improvements designed as rewards for his favorites, and as punishments for his enemies.

  145. Outrageous!!!! What is going on? This is truly domestic terroism period. Pelosi should be broughtup on charges for treason. How can the most civlized country in the world be starving our own people over a minnow. Their should be a 10 million people march and throw them out of office

  146. I have to share this…watching Glenn Beck’s pics from 9/12 and it’s a slow slideshow…you’ll love this one!!!

    IF YOU CAN SEE THIS
    YOU MUST BE WATCHING FOX NEWS!!!

    Liked it, didn’t you???

  147. truthbetold11 -If person dies of starvation I would add murder one and conspiracy to commit murder on to the treason and domestic terroism charges. Nancy it is WE THE PEOPLE who pay her salary. not WE THE MINNOW.
    The woman is inhumane besides everything else.

  148. SueK–yeah, I like Jindal, as well. Too bad.

    Michelle–re the French Revolution…we could be headed in that direction. We don’t want to do that. Sheer terror…and, at that point, the people will accept anyone just to get rid of the chaos and put some kind of order in place. That’s how they got Napoleon and how others got their dictators. we really don’t want to go in that direction. If we don’t nip this thing in the bud, O is going to seem like a piece of cake. O will eventually lead us to someone much, much worse than we ever dreamed possible because we will be willing to accept anyone or anything just to get the situation under control.

    Jenna–congrats to you and your Eagle scout

    All–seriously, guys and gals, if we want a military experienced POTUS, the key here is experienced, past tense ie retired or previous service. The solution is not to swing the pendulum completely the other way. We want balance and fairness. If you get the wrong guy or gal in, then they will have even more control than what we’ve seen here. We need to keep our heads screwed on correctly.

  149. On to my flow, I’m discovering some interesting anomolies. Here are two facts about current Soetoro citizenship as of today, September 17, 2009:

    1. Soetoro is using his COLB as proof of present day citizenship

    2. Soetoro is using an internet photocopy of a copy of a certificate as proof of present day citizenship

    These two facts has nullified any proof of him being a U.S. citizenship at present day because:

    A. A birth certificate is not sufficient in proving he did not expatriot himself between 1961 and 2009 because it is a document dated 1961 (timeline issue).

    B. An online copy of a government certificate is inadmissable in the court of law (see 28 U.S.C. § 1739 link: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/usc_sec_28_00001739—-000-.html).

  150. azgo–amen!

  151. Wonder if wrongful death suits can be filed against the gov’t. Both for military dying under the orders of a usurper and for people starving to death due to gov’t shutting off water. The only thing I know about wrongful death suits is that they’re alot easier to win than murder cases, but I don’t know if bringing them against the gov’t is allowed. Like remember when the gov’t made car dealerships put the airbags in, they were exempt from lawsuits when people, mainly children, died from them…cuz you know, we’re too stupid to make our own decisions anyway.

  152. I watched Hannity tonight. California is really a mess. The farmers and fishermen are hurting. The issue is bigger than the smelt. If Hannity had just done a google search he would know California is in the third year of a drought and they have huge state water issues . There may be more facts to this story than Hannity addressed.

    Here is more background.

    http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/state&id=6890554

    And although I do not care for the LA Times

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap20-2009aug20,0,1463418.column

    Looks like Hannity could have done more to be fair and balanced.

  153. Margie // September 17, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    You’re speaking of many voters who didn’t know who Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank are and what party controls the house!!!!!

  154. Michelle and South–It’s outrageous what they’ve been doing to farmers out there…How ironic! So much compassion for this little fish. It’s no wonder that people who have no compassion for the unborn, the elderly, the disabled, and the poor (yes, I said the poor–because they are using them to get at their political goals…they would sooner throw them under the bus, too) have no compassion for those who need water.
    …and it’s no wonder Jesus said “I thirst.” That was a not just a physical thirst, it was a thirst for souls and a thirst for humanity to have compassion one for the other. May God have compassion on all of us.

  155. jc,
    After watching the farmers plight, I got the distinct impression that our “govt.” will now
    be able to starve us to death—no food from
    the “bread basket” of California. I’m sure
    this will create shortages and soaring prices and
    more. What do you think?

  156. twe-The French Revolution we don’t want that, that is for sure. That is why it is so important to keep these peaceful demonstrations going on-hopefully to get the government to pay attention to the people before it’s too late. No Napoleon either. Scary to think if Obama faction came up against his anti-Obama faction, who will not do this peacefully we have no way of knowing. Due to self interest alone you would think the government would pay more attention to their out of control selves.
    As a moderate-little left/little right (depending on the issue) I can’t even remember when the pendulum was in the middle. I feel like I’ve been bashed to death by the extreme right, extreme left, who just come in and undo what the other guy did.

  157. ticktock // September 17, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Wonder if wrongful death suits can be filed against the gov’t
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    See, this is where I say, why not families against the ‘usurper’ since his commands sent soldiers to Afghanistan to die………civil suits???

  158. Maddie,
    I don’t think we have all the facts. I think it is more complicated. I think the local video I linked to said 23,000 fishermen had gone for two years now without a season for salmon. I am going to watch the video again and do more research.

    I think we are all making judgements with only a portion of the facts. I want to find out more about the whole water issue in California , the farmers and the fishermen before I decide anything.

    I also don’t understand the 77 million dollar sale of water issue yet.

    More facts to discover.

  159. twe-You’ve got it. This is what Obama did to the poor people on the South Side of Chicago, the poor were a means to an end. He took the taxpayer money that was for these folks and stuck it in his pocket and other of his “favorites” the poor did not get (knowing them) one thin dime.
    “poor–because they are using them to get at their political goals…they would sooner throw them under the bus” This is why they are so beaten down-mentally, physically, spiritually-prime meat for “Hope and Change”. I will bet you 10-1 no change for these people.

  160. Finally there is a glimmer of light shining in the dark void of the tunnel. The Acorn has finally been cracked thanks to the efforts of a lot of people, including Glenn Beck, and Fox news. Now it is necessary to shift our efforts to concentrating on the speaker of the house,Nancy Pelosi whose corrupt view points, and policies are well known, and go back a long time. She is oriented to the West Coast fishing industry. This is because her husband at one time, and without a doubt still does own over 217,000 shares of Chicken of the Sea Fisheries. This is a company that fishes for a variety of species which includes Salmon. This is where the connection is that is causing the California produce growers to suffer bankruptcy because the Califdornia Fisheries Commission do not want the water do be fed into the irrigation pipeline because it lowers the level, and reduces the size of the fish REARING ponds. These companies propagate,and rear a very large number of salmon to be placed in the streams leading to the sea. Pelosi is HEAVILY involved in possible illegal Congressional activity designed to benefit the fishing industry, which her husband is deeply involved in. It is really the California Fisheries Commission who are really behind the water turn off to San Joachim Valley which by the way,is the largest produce farming area in California. This is all CROOKED BULLSH##, perpetrated by GREEDY, SLIMEY BASTARDS who don’t give a damn about who, or how many people they put out of business so that they can continue to EXPAND their own interests. Pelosi’s insane policies, and personal conduct suggests that she is INCOMPETENT to hold the office which she currently holds.

  161. Oldsalt, WOW, just wow!

  162. oldsalt77
    100% correct, it’s NOT the little fish that she’s concerned about it’s the big fish.
    ALWAYS follow the money right?

  163. California is in the middle of a water crisis. A three year drought. Who do you blame for that? I don’t think it is time to jump right into conspiracy.

    Everyone on this blog has shown to be good researchers. Find some facts not conjecture.

  164. http://www.webofdeception.com/
    WOW check this site out!

  165. #

    twe // September 17, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Wow! I just listened to P’s lament. Does she not know that she has caused some of what concerns her with all her name calling and baiting:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/17/pelosi_chokes_up_warning_against_political_violence.html
    ****************************************

    twe….I think she is crying tears for herself because she knows she may be facing prison time for pulling this HOAX on America!!

  166. No offense, but I don’t need alot of convincing that the problems in California right now, lack of water, fires and otherwise, aren’t due to “nature”. It has to do with their long time radical liberal bent and the fact that the fed’s are now eyeing them licking power hungry chops. They are weak and ready for the “pounce”.

    I know a little about California as I have lot’s of relatives there and many of them are farmers. I spent alot of time there growing up and it used to be a great State with great education and a booming economy. I live right next to California in prob the most liberal State in the Country, with prob the highest unemployment rate in the country..i’m sure we compete for that title! As a side note “liberal snobbishness is very real folks”, spend a little time in Portland and report back to me. 🙂

    Liberal policies are destroying our State and California period. And now we’re ripe for the fed’s to just swoop on in. and finish us off.

    Other than that–it’s George Bush’s fault! 😉

  167. Jaqclyn, Do you really think this display could be about her realizing her days of political power and corruption are about to come to a screetching halt???

  168. I like that, blame George Bush on thursday night. obama is their president on this thursday night!!

  169. Hee hee, CJ said to turn the water on Obama…

  170. Jacqly Smith-she could really dish it, but she cannot take it. She is one of the worst offenders in my opinion. I was incensed by her calling my fellow Americans Astroturf, I found that not only dismissive but demeaning also. Nancy pulled every rotten low down skunking trick in the book to install Obama, and herself, now she is stuck in her web of lies. Too bad, she created this monster Ms. Bride of Frankenstein. Had the DNC, ACORN SEIU, and others we don’t know about yet, not become the monsters of corruption we would not have discovered all this lovely information. Now that everybody is hep there will be even more digging. We will clean up this sewer that these politicans attempted to make of our country. We will also get them to respect our Constitution.

  171. ticktock // September 17, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Jaqclyn, Do you really think this display could be about her realizing her days of political power and corruption are about to come to a screetching halt???

    How strange…I thought the same thing.

  172. Nancy P: balance between freedom and safety.

    NO NO NO Dancy Nancy, It is not your job to keep us safe! It’s your job to keep us free!!!! Balance between freedom and safety means slavery!!! The military keeps us SAFE and FREE, YOU are to maintain that FREEDOM period!!! End of story!

  173. Jacqlyn, LOL…sorry, I was actually commenting on your comment. i should’ve phrased it differently. I should’ve asked you if you were kidding or if you seriously thought that…but it looks like i got my answer! sorry for the confusion.

  174. Old Salt…

    Also, while we boycott Chicken of the Sea, Del Monte is the husband’s business too I read.

  175. oh sorry JJ! geesh, what’s wrong with me. you guys know by now i can get “blog confusion syndrome” pretty easily. let’s see, instead of foggy in the head, we’ll call it bloggy in the head. 🙂

  176. http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/
    “Isn’t it ironic that the worst thing that could have happened to America has brought out the best of America”–Fernley Girl
    September 21 officially marks the beginning of the fall season, often that great harvest moon shining overhead. The air, the smells, the sound, and the sky change when the fall rolls around. It is my favorite season as it always signals something new, something starting; the questions set before the winter-time reflection sets in.

    And gratefully, September brings the fall of Obama: his ACORN buddies caught and their funding lost, voted down; his czars under attack for who they are as well as Obama’s unconstitutional appointment of them. Two million, plus many more in spirit, took D.C. away from them all on September 12th: Obama, Congress, and the Chicago mob that has invaded the Capitol like a disease.

  177. There is a real possibility for obtaining discovery in one of the court cases Orly is involved in. Judge Carter has allowed it if it is necessary to meet the defense motion to dismiss the case. The possibility of discovery is based on the fact that the defense (Obama’s team) did not indicate that the Vice-President was supposed to ask for objections to the count of the electors. They purposely left it out of their argument that the court was not the appropriate venue. Of course that makes sense to their side, since Cheney did not ask for it. But since he was supposed to ask for objections, it is potentially fatal to their argument.

    Read the latest analysis of the possibility of requesting discovery at Leo Donofrio’s website:

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/barnes-v-obama-important-discovery-is-available-now-according-to-judge-carters-order-of-sept-17-2009/#comment-11030

  178. #

    ticktock // September 17, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Jaqclyn, Do you really think this display could be about her realizing her days of political power and corruption are about to come to a screetching halt???
    *******************************************

    Of course it is….probably another Alinsky tactic….play the victim….get everyone’s sympathy…..it will be a cold day in hell before she gets mine!!! As much as I dislike the FRAUD in our house….I think I dislike Ms. PeLOUSY more!!!

  179. GBAmerica // September 17, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/jan/12/20070112-120720-2734r/
    ———————–
    GBA, WOW is right, a bi-partisan investigative website!

  180. GBAmerica // September 17, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    http://www.webofdeception.com/
    WOW check this site out!
    ———–
    Correction…
    Wait this is the one!

  181. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I found this helpful,

    http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/what-discovery-means-in-a-law-suit/

    What “discovery” means in a law suit, according to the US Code, Federal Rules of Civil proceedure

  182. Pelosi’s lament is probably because she is about to be indicted for falsifying Obama as eligible to be POTUS.
    She would look good in orange coveralls,and behind bars.

  183. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    DABIG

    you are a gentleman…thanks for the retraction

  184. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Michelle,

    I don’t think we are going into a French Revolution scenario….

    More like a Spanish Civil war scenario:

    There the commies got elected, and then started persecuting the heck out of Catholic Spain…a few generals could not take it anymore, and revolted, their leader died, and Franco was elected by the remaining generals…

    The commies in the US have pretty much entirely trashed the reputation of Franco and the Catholics of Spain, with lies and propaganda: it was a vicious struggle, and excesses were on both sides, but mostly on the commie sides…

    Franco saved Spain from communism, at least hin his own day…but their back in power, because a generation forgot and let them into politics again…

    Socialists, marxists, leninist, maoists, and commies should be banned from political activity of all kinds, since they are ideologically opposed to the Constitution…and to everyone’s liberty…

  185. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://www.webofdeception.com/obamasistertaxwarrant.html

    I did not know that Obama has tax evaders even in his family…

    No wonder than he has so many in his adminstration…

    I guess he believes only Repblicans and capitalists and Christians need pay taxes..

    Foolish us…

    Now he has usurped the presidency, guess what

    WE DON’T HAVE TO PAY TAXES EITHER!

  186. http://www.gotwater.org/
    TURN ON THE WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  187. Alex // September 17, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    You probably won’t see this since it’s so late but believe it or not, Camille Paglia is really worth reading. I’m not surprised that she has supported our position on Obama’s eligibility. While still being a supporter, she has been very critical of many of his positions and she is one of the few libs to ardently defend Sarah Palin. I am a hard-core conservative and I enjoy reading her at Salon. She is very fair-minded. Although I agree with very few of her positions I am able to read her side because she is rational and not vitriolic. For instance, she is one of the few pro-abortion people to admit that abortion is murder and that yes it is a baby not a clump of cells. Unfortunately, that doesn’t stop her from supporting a woman’s right to choose but I guess that’s because she is a big time feminist. All the liberal idiots that comment at Salon HATE her. They are always trying to get her kicked off the blog. Anyway, just my 2cents….

  188. TO:
    The South // September 17, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Judge Carter has ruled on the Motion for Stay of discovery in the Barnett/Keyes case…

    ========================

    I think the door was opened quite wide by the Defendants. They made a mistake and Orly better grab it.
    They are willing to allow limited discovery as necessary to defend against the Defendant’s Motion to Dismiss.

    This is the Discovery I would request as paramount to the defense of the Oct 5th hearing, without this discovery Plaintiff can’t properly defend vs the Motion:

    1- Obama/Soetoro’s Proof of Citizenship and Legal Name
    2- Independent Document Forensic Analysis of his ALLEGED COLB with Court Order for Experts to do side by side Comparison with Records in Hawaii to prove that the COLB is Legitimate.
    3- Same thing as #2 for the Two Kenyan BC.

    This is very Relevant and Necessary for Orly to properly defend against the Motion to Dismiss.
    They are allowing just the Discovery necessary to defend against such Motion. Orly has no Defense without the Discovery Above.

    Checkmate.

    PS the court and defendants didn’t request a Stay of all Discovery…..they are willing to allow some Discovery. Orly Ask for it.

  189. Did Geithner get Tax Evasion trainning from ACORN? Rangel? and many, many others.

    Erosionists are mostly all Corrupt and devoid of Consciense because they are GODLESS and are making the country not only Godless but an Enemy of God.

  190. ACORN

    To me cutting funds is not enough Head Must Roll. They are worse than Bernie Madoff. He stole money form his friends and spread some around to the same friends.
    ACORN is worse they take money from working Americans to hire their criminals and STEAL ELECTIONS, Destroy the Mortgage Industry, Organize for Crime, Pimp and Prostitue for Obama, etc.

    With the Money we took away from them lets investigate and jail 1000’s of these criminals in a separate Tent City under the supervision of America’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

    Article: ACORN HEADS MUST ROLL.
    http://www.cfiflistmanager.org/acornx1.html

  191. It is my belief that this ACORN fiasco shows that the federal government was knowingly involved with interstate organized crime. I think that ACORN should face RICO charges, and I think any politician involved with ACORN, including Barack Obama, should be subject to those charges as well.

    The FBI needs to open the case right now.

  192. I notice that somehow the obots keep hacking Orly’s blogs. Are we living in a communist Country? Has anyone yet tried to access her blog? This is what happens when you have a Usurper in office and he does not like dissent! We need to start throwing these people in jail.

  193. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I notice that the Medical Coordinator for the 2009 Tea Party in DC has given his testimony, that 1 to 1.5 million were there…

    The photo on Penn avenue, is only 1 of the streets that was packed he says.

    The mall ended up being filled by the Tea Partiers…

    Other witnesses say that not all walked the march, and than many came and went for entire time…

    So Happel’s estimate (see bottom)

    http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/the-tea-party-in-dc-was-bigger-than-the-media-will-admit/

    is of the standing crowd:….a fluid crowd, where folks come an go…would push happels estimate more like

    2,000,000

    Just like the British Paper originally said…

  194. Sunstein: Obama, not courts, should interpret law

    ‘Beliefs and commitments’ of nation’s leader should supersede judges

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110103

  195. New report adds to evidence against Dohrn

    Ex-Weather Underground radical linked to 1970s death of cop

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110146

  196. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    LM

    Sustein’s remarks are right out of Hitler’s cabinet!

  197. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    A legal expert, by the name of Hemmingway, quoted at WND, says that if a judge imposes sanctions, the lawyer sanctioned gets discovery to defend himself…

    Thus, Orly has nothing to fear from Land, as far as sanctions go….its a win-win situation…

  198. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/basis-for-election-fraud-in-new-hampsire/

    Looks like NH can nail Obama for fraud in the primaries…

  199. Camille Paglia’s concerns ought to be EVERYONE’S concern, because to be a ‘birther’ is to follow the law of the land —

    In other words, all those who claim to adhere to the U.S. Constitution ought to be ‘birthers!’

    Here is it as expressed by Chief Justice William Howard Taft in his decision called Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657, 675 (1927) — Taft is here quoting from the 9th Circuit:

    ‘The transmission of right of citizenship is not at the death of the ancestor, but AT THE BIRTH OF THE CHILD, and it seems to us more natural to infer that the conditions of the descent contained in the limiting proviso, so far as the father is concerned, MUST BE PERFECTED AND HAVE BEEN PERFORMED AT THAT TIME.’

    Now, those who loose their painters to let their dinghies drift out to the ocean make pronouncements like Cass Sunstein. So? Who are the crazies here?

    ‘Beliefs and commitments’ of nation’s leader.

    Hitler’s title “Fuehrer” simply means ‘Leader!’ And the true name of his party was: NSDAP, the “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei!” (i.e. The National Socialist German Labor Party).

    Look it up!

  200. California has more problems with the water!

    http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9000/8959484 AP_IMPACT_Govt_stands_by_as_mercury_taints_water

  201. Van Jones still pushing his agenda by emailing “supporters” asking to ‘spread the love for Obummer’ :

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?blogid=95&entry_id=47789

  202. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Bob,

    Is Sustein a jew?

    It would be ironic if a jew was backing another Hitler…

    Most don’t know that the jews who cooperated with Hitler were not sent to concentration camps, but were given papers showing they were not Jewish…

    Some even sent other jews to their death…

    On the other hand,

    It is poetic justice, that a jewess, Taitz, is figthign the second Hitler…

  203. Of all the posts I have read up to here this one is very interesting.

    Dean M. // September 17, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    I read these kind of blogs and see all the concern, but the question remains, why do most Conseratives go along with Obama’s being legitimate?

    Take the number one Conservative gadfly, Glen Beck. He will not touch the natural born issue. Neither do O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity. Liberal Hillary Clinton didn’t when she was running against Obama. Neither did McCain and Conservative Palin. President Bush said nothing as all this was going on.

    The Conservative majority on the Supreme Court would not hear Berg’s case. No one in Congress will deal with this issue either.

    How is it Obama is not only able to keep his birth information out of view, but all his personal records–school records, passport, medical, etc.?

    What is Obama holding over all these people’s heads? How is he able to get all these people to go along with his charade?

    When you can factually answer these questions, then the real truth may begin to be seen for what it is.

    What is the most secretive branch of government, sometimes called the 5th Arm of government? It has an unlimited budget. It exists for a purpose that trumps all, namely, national security.

    What is BIC (Business International Corporation) where Obama worked after college? What was he really doing in Pakistan during his student years? In Africa? Why the hooplah over the unoffical view of his passport and the murder of a DC police officer looking into this?

    Where was Bin-Laden when Obama visited Pakistan? What was going on then (1980s) in Afghanistan? How was Obama able to get into Pakistan when Americans at that time were forbidden entrance there? How did we get arms to Bin-Laden and the Afghan rebels to fight the Soviets?

    I bring this up every once in awhile at various blogs, but I am yet to find anyone else who is able to put two and two together and get four.

    I figure this is part of where “race” does enter the picture. People scoff at the idea of the CIA recruiting such as Obama. He doesn’t fit the white, James Bond, or Blackford Oaks profile in their minds. I hear such things as, “he’s too stupid,” etc. People who don’t know a damn thing about the CIA and how it operates, yet are such authorities on it.

    Well, continue in your willful ignorance. Don’t answer the question of why so many are playing along. Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity, Congress & the Court have all been briefed. They are insiders and will not compromise classified information and all of Obama’s personal stuff is classified. The so-called Conservative watchdogs are doing their “patriotic duty.” Meantime, the Company rules and with Leon Penetta in charge the Leftwingers now have the upper hand
    _________________________________
    REMEMBER IT’S NOT DEMOCRAT AGAINST REPUBLICAN – IT IS THE CIA VERSUS THE CIA

  204. I also watched Sean Hannity out in Calif. last night and oldsalt’s article is just as important.

    #

    oldsalt77 // September 17, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Finally there is a glimmer of light shining in the dark void of the tunnel. The Acorn has finally been cracked thanks to the efforts of a lot of people, including Glenn Beck, and Fox news. Now it is necessary to shift our efforts to concentrating on the speaker of the house,Nancy Pelosi whose corrupt view points, and policies are well known, and go back a long time. She is oriented to the West Coast fishing industry. This is because her husband at one time, and without a doubt still does own over 217,000 shares of Chicken of the Sea Fisheries. This is a company that fishes for a variety of species which includes Salmon. This is where the connection is that is causing the California produce growers to suffer bankruptcy because the Califdornia Fisheries Commission do not want the water do be fed into the irrigation pipeline because it lowers the level, and reduces the size of the fish REARING ponds. These companies propagate,and rear a very large number of salmon to be placed in the streams leading to the sea. Pelosi is HEAVILY involved in possible illegal Congressional activity designed to benefit the fishing industry, which her husband is deeply involved in. It is really the California Fisheries Commission who are really behind the water turn off to San Joachim Valley which by the way,is the largest produce farming area in California. This is all CROOKED BULLSH##, perpetrated by GREEDY, SLIMEY BASTARDS who don’t give a damn about who, or how many people they put out of business so that they can continue to EXPAND their own interests. Pelosi’s insane policies, and personal conduct suggests that she is INCOMPETENT to hold the office which she currently holds.

  205. ANY COMMENTS???

    CNN, jbjd, Greg and other legal eagles any comments on my September 18, 2009 at 1:17 am post above???
    Thanks

  206. I beleive this would work great and it would be Left onthe Lap of the Defendants who opened the door by allowing Discovery for the Plaintiff’s agaisnt motion to dismiss.
    To show that there should be no dismissal she needs that Discovery to show that there was FRAUD, FORGERY, DECEPTION, etc by Obama/Soetoro.

  207. Every time I hear about something horrific
    happening against the “people” Nancy Pelosi’s
    name is somehow attached.

    Ex: She flat out refused numerous times
    to have the water turned on to the CA farmers
    which now has created the “dust bowl” that
    Hannity’s show last night covered.

    Bottom line: PELOSI MUST BE INVESTIGATED for HER numerous
    CRIMINAL activities (which we all know).

  208. Buraq ’08 // September 18, 2009 at 2:39 am

    It is my belief that this ACORN fiasco shows that the federal government was knowingly involved with interstate organized crime. I think that ACORN should face RICO charges, and I think any politician involved with ACORN, including Barack Obama, should be subject to those charges as well.

    The FBI needs to open the case right now.
    ++++++++++

    May I second that, immediately?!
    You are correct!

  209. mrsmwp 1:16–you are spot on about Paglia. Yes, I did read in Salon last fall where she admitted abortion is murder…but said she still wanted that right. An orthodox Catholic theologian I know said he really likes her and says she is very intelligent, not some wack job others have made her out to be. One of the things I think he sees in her is her forthrightness about clearly seeing the issues.

  210. Another PONZI SCHEMER bites the DUST.

    ACORN and Obama/Soetoro are the Biggest PONZI SCHEMES. That is if we don’t include the FED and the Corporation Gov’t.

    Danny Pang: Ponzi schemer’s death shrouded in mystery

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/15/danny-pang-ponzi-schemers-death-shrouded-in-mystery/?icid=main|htmlws-sb|dl3|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyfinance.com%2F2009%2F09%2F15%2Fdanny-pang-ponzi-schemers-death-shrouded-in-mystery%2F

  211. Warning–cartoons ahead!

  212. back to the front page story

    THIS IS HUGE , PEOPLE. I am READING THAT BARRY has crossed the CONSTITUTIONAL BOUNDARY of CONSTITUTIONAL SEPARATION OF POWERS by wrongfully influencing the judge — if i read inbetween the lines. IT is obvious that the judge was compromised or an idiot. Can’t be one or the other. Another sign of the neo natzi, neo stalinist , neo marxist tyrannic behavior of this usurper.

    He must go, he must be exposed.

    How does one go about filing a complaint agains this judge? Get access to all the phone conversations, emails, blackberries?

    Barry has stepped on our Constitution once again.

    What we going to do about it?

  213. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    PF,

    First, I am not a lawyer, so don’t name me in the same sentence as one…I am just an informed citizen, and ardent debater, who sometimes does not know my place…

    Second, yes, actually discovery even when limited will be very extensive, because the dumbo AGs made too many constitutional objections in their Motion to Dismiss….idiots, is what I am sure Obama is saying…now…

  214. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Twe,

    If she says abortion is murder, but wants the right to murder, she may be polite and gentile

    BUT SHE IS STILL A BARBARIAN !

  215. Jenna.
    No need to be sorry.
    We can use more Eagle Scouts.
    Congrats!

  216. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Twe,

    That last link is superb…now I am dang mad that I couldn’t go!

  217. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    But Twe,

    Is that a photoshopped image?

    no, I am not jokin…

  218. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Pf,

    There is a great post at Leo’s with a Lightbulb on it, about discovery in Barnett vs. obama…you’d be glad to read it…

  219. @ Maddie: Absolutely! I have had it. The federal government of this country is so corrupt that it has corrupted the word “corruption”. It simply isn’t strong enough at this point.

    The Federal Mafia of the United States is what we have.

  220. Hey guys go read at Leo’s place.There is a whole different approach to limited discovery posted there inspired by a commenter.It’s vewy vewy..interesting.

  221. Patriot Dreamer

    Jenna // September 17, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Jenna, congratulations to your new Eagle scout!

  222. Patriot Dreamer

    from Attorney Leo Donofrio:

    “Barnett v. Obama: Important Discovery Is Available Now According To Judge Carter’s Order of Sept. 17, 2009”
    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/barnes-v-obama-important-discovery-is-available-now-according-to-judge-carters-order-of-sept-17-2009/

  223. Magna,

    Is there a link to Leo’s?

    Also for the legal eagles here: If Lucas Smith is stepping back from being involved in Orly’s case …. what happens to the Kenyan BC? Can she still use it? What would it look like if her main person with evidence steps away? What do you think the Judge will say?

  224. Magna … never mind. Thank you PD

  225. Dean M. // September 17, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    “Take the number one Conservative gadfly, Glen Beck. He will not touch the natural born issue. Neither do O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity. Liberal Hillary Clinton didn’t when she was running against Obama. Neither did McCain and Conservative Palin. President Bush said nothing as all this was going on.”

    I think most Conservatives/Democrats/Independents must be hand walked to open eyed points of view. Most of those whom understand the eligibility issue have invested time and thought to reach the conclusion. I think any thinking person understands that to help those whom like living in the comfort zone of reason must be led down the road slowly, carefully and methodically. People did not give up there freedoms overnight nor will they be recovered overnight. I have pondered this very question you bring-up and in reality realize someone has to hand feed most people to the destination. Which requires someone to take the middle road with diligence, direction, and most of all patience. I see Beck as a more going to this destination then the others but that is the only way this can be done. As painful as it is to watch at times there is no other option. People are consumed with there daily lives and do not read much to ingest the opinion you understand so passionately. They must be nurtured!

    Also, line of succession is very important. If there is no way to take out this line succession leading to an acceptable replacement, I think those of power would rather not. I believe those power players think they have Obama in-check to the point where they feel comfortable with the game as it stands. Removing him would rock the game if succession leads to a more unsavory player. When a domino effect can wipe out the line of succession “Concretely” leading to a better player I think the move will be made.

  226. http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/18/obama-ties-immigration-to-health-care-battle/?feat=home_cube_position1

    Legalizing illegals is not about getting them healthcare, its about increasing the voting base and the labour force.

  227. Ms. Helga, The MSM will not carry the BC because of the huge amount of ridicule that comes with the subject. Make no mistake Hillary would have exposed obama during the campaign, but there wasn’t enough time to get the proof she needed. We despartly need to get him out before he does irrepairable damage. BO must GO

  228. CNN–right you are about Paglia. What some people like about her is that she is forthright. She makes no bones that she knows abortion is murder. She knows it is wrong…but she is not hiding that she knows she is wrong.

    Thought you might like this:

    http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2009/09/miracle-in-pictures.html

    Also, re that image you were asking about–I’m no photoshop expert but I would say it is certainly photoshopped. Still, it was a fun to see!

  229. Patriot Dreamer

    I wish the following video was not so heavily edited, but still check it out:

    “Obama ‘07 Revelation: Health Care Reform Requires Tax Hikes — Savings Just a Theory”
    http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-honesty-in-07-health-care-reform-requires-tax-hikes-savings-just-a-theory/

  230. JENNA……………………………………

    That means that your son is TRUSTWORTHY,LOYAL,HELPFUL,FRIENDLY,COURTEOUS,KIND,OBEDIENT,CHEERFUL,THRIFTY, BRAVE ,CLEAN,REVERENT. IAM 77 YEARS OF AGE AND STILL REMEMBER ALL OF IT! Tell your son he too will remember all of it for the rest of his life. This is because he will live every one of the 12 Scouting COMMANDMENTS. Also tell him, “Well Done” from a member of the US NAVY RESERVE

  231. JENNA……………………………………

    For some unknown reason when I edited the text “the words CHEERFUL,and THRIFTY got deleted. Please accept my apologies!

  232. Patriot Dreamer

    “Sunstein: Obama, not courts, should interpret law: ‘Beliefs and commitments’ of nation’s leader should supersede judges”
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=110103

  233. Very curious …. Can Orly still use the Lucas Smith Kenyan BC document even though he has stepped aside?

  234. Orly should depose the investigators who interviewed the man who cauterized Obama’s passport file (and was subsequently murdered).
    The investigators may be able to reveal what the man said he did in the passport file.
    May get a hear say exemption since the witness was likely murdered to prevent testimony.
    She could also depose the CEO of the company that tampered with the passport file (now part of the administration)…
    This would seem to fall under the establishing citizenship umbrella.

  235. twe: Thanks for sharing the “miracle in pictures.”

    I have one of those pix of my daughter from an ultrasound; it was my first pix of her.

  236. New ACORN artwork popping up in LA (two pics):

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/17/picture-of-the-day/

    Re my 1005–sorry, my new mouse submitted it before I had a chance to post that it was about the giant carbon footprint of the WH salads

  237. #

    Apocalyptic // September 18, 2009 at 12:12 am

    There is a real possibility for obtaining discovery in one of the court cases Orly is involved in. Judge Carter has allowed it if it is necessary to meet the defense motion to dismiss the case. The possibility of discovery is based on the fact that the defense (Obama’s team) did not indicate that the Vice-President was supposed to ask for objections to the count of the electors. They purposely left it out of their argument that the court was not the appropriate venue. Of course that makes sense to their side, since Cheney did not ask for it. But since he was supposed to ask for objections, it is potentially fatal to their argument.

    Read the latest analysis of the possibility of requesting discovery at Leo Donofrio’s website:

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/17/barnes-v-obama-important-discovery-is-available-now-according-to-judge-carters-order-of-sept-17-2009/#comment-11030
    *******************************************

    I just sent this to Orly and Pamela….one of the Plaintiffs. Hopefully she can use the information that Donofrio has pointed out!

  238. heard on the radio “and David Axelrod are so damn intelligent (Did you know that Barack is the smartest person ever to be President?” another undocumented issue -LIE.
    Big difference between corruption and intelligence. On a scale of 10-10 corruption, intelligence -5.

  239. From a TCOT tweet:

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi

  240. CW…or anyone else….What is going on with Larry Sinclair….did he really file and affidavit saying Orly tried to force him to lie…..or was that an OBOT trying to smear them both at the same time?? I saw something about this the other day and was wondering if it was true?? Anyone know??

  241. oldsalt77

    How very kind of you! Yes, he is all those things and gives me some hope for our future.
    A special thanks to you for serving this great nation. Darn it-You should be sitting in the White House!

  242. Russia got a look at Obama’s passport:
    http://www.bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/nuke_industry/co-operation/39511
    WTH? Now Obama is bowing to Putin

  243. Patriot Dreamer

    Michelle // September 18, 2009 at 10:14 am

    heard on the radio “and David Axelrod are so damn intelligent (Did you know that Barack is the smartest person ever to be President?” another undocumented issue -LIE.
    ****************************************
    I think this is the real reason why BO refuses to release his transcripts. They likely show that he was just an average student — not the super genius he’s been protrayed to be.

  244. #

    twe // September 18, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Dems promise rain of hell fire:
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27311.html

    New Dem “call them out” website:
    http://www.democrats.org/page/content/callout
    ****************************************

    Two can play the game….Why can’t we launch our own web site…..CALLING OUT THE LIARS….STARTING WITH THE FRAUD IN OUR HOUSE!!!

  245. twe // September 18, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Roger on that, twe; I’ve heard this before.

    Will check……

  246. I hope that Acorn sues and I am certain that Fox does too.

  247. I’m listening to Beck’s radio program. The past few days he & whoever else that is that is with him have been acting weird, being sarcastic & laughing about serious things. The other day, though he mentioned something about going to Seattle. What’s up? Has he got an ace up his sleeve maybe? I hope so. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?

    http://radiotime.com/program/p_20277/The_Glenn_Beck_Program.aspx

  248. Patriot Dreamer

    Dean M. // September 17, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    I think that the “talkers” are not covering the BC issue right now, but will cover it if there is a significant development. They are letting attorneys like Orly Taitz attack the issue in the courts, but they clearly know about it. They are attacking from other angles (ACORN, the Czars, etc).

  249. Nancy,
    He blamed it on eating a cupcake before the show. And, yes, I thought so too.

  250. Prairie-

    I know. He said the same cupcake thing on his TV show last night. VERY strange.

  251. Nancy.
    I do not believe that Beck is acting weird.
    He is passionate about what he believes.
    For me, this is good.
    Someone that gives a damn.
    This could be a “men are from Mars” scenario.
    I have noticed over my life that women generally do not understand us when we
    are fired up.

  252. Kim, what is interesting about that story is that they site Obama as being 41 years old! Also there was a story related to that that claimed Russia had detained him because they though he was a “British” spy. That story was scrubbed.

  253. Hi had to jump in – to the previous question of why Glen Beck And other Conservatives being unwilling to challenge the legitimacy issue – this is my hang up to – we stay in a perpetual circle fighting all that is being attacked American precisely because Obama is a hater of America – why – because he is not a true American suited to serve as protector of US – we the people – until we unravel – reveal he outright deception of the facts of his history we will stay in this state of chaos – fighting battles until we can not see straight . THIS IS purposeful . but the Why is screaming at me – Why won’t BEck acknowlege the most obvious of all dots to be connected as he attacks Acorn and government corruption – FEAR of violent civil war – has to be – because such a big deal has been made of this 1st Black President – there is the racial element – used to enslave us to A LIAR – as Wilson said he is lie s he is a LIE !!!!!!!!! The corner to back him into must be pursued no matter how hard it is to find
    because we know the facts when revealed will be like thunder in the heavens from above – no one will be able to deny we have been had ! And I was the one with the flu . Still coughing but feeling better – didn’t get checked – didn’t want to
    because seems like everyother flu I’ve had – no need to encourage the idea of “pandemic ” ! its just flu .

  254. CW-

    But it just seems his radio program has not been as it usually is the past few days. I’m sure he knows what he is doing. The day before it became a little different (maybe Tuesday) he ending with Andrew Breitbart speaking about Obama’s commie mother & grandparents. He talked about how his mother was sent to Seattle to attend school by her parents. Then he said something about going to Seattle. I think something may be up. Just me.

  255. Here is brief comment on the principle of limited discovery so as to avoid an adverse ruling on Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss. I will not discuss Orly’s (or Leo’s or…) case; I am tired of being attacked for pointing to the myriad legal infirmities in the work of practitioners revered on this blog, notwithstanding their frequent albeit fabulous failures.

    Let’s say, a Defendant in a child custody case argues that Plaintiff has no standing because she is not related to the child. Let’s also say, D is a state agency holding records that could establish such a relationship. P could seek to Discover these records so as to keep her case alive. Keep in mind, the court has still not reached the merits of the underlying custody case.

    In a lawsuit against the state for damages resulting from a violation the public records law, let’s say, D argues, P failed to state a claim for which relief could be granted, because she argued, D has refused to release records in its possession, in violation of state law. P could seek to Discover these records to keep her case alive. The court has still not reached the underlying merits of the case. (That is, can P prove she requested these records appropriately; and that the state denied such request; and that this denial is actionable?)

    You get my point. P cannot seek to Discover or, will not be allowed to Discover anything not narrowly tailored to surviving a Motion to Dismiss.

    Hope that helps.

    As to the work stolen from me that wound up in NH, please, read my blog.
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com

  256. Beck is on the eligibility thing. Someone posted this here the other day. Listen to Beck’s reporter mention that they are working on it. Hope this comes through okay.

  257. Patriot Dreamer I agree – I thought in the past perhaps the reason the BC issue is being left alone is to wait until enough reasonable evidence – that cannot be laughed out the door can be utilized . At least every other wrong action by the government is being pointed out – and to the credit of Beck and Hannity they are giving us the facts we need to realize the whole system needs over hauling – the only thing Obama has said that I can now agree with is that we need to “change” all of them – all elected servants need to be ousted and replaced with real American Patriots whose motives are constitutionally pure !

  258. Nancy // September 18, 2009 at 10:32 am

    I’m listening to Beck’s radio program. The past few days he & whoever else that is that is with him have been acting weird, being sarcastic & laughing about serious things. The other day, though he mentioned something about going to Seattle. What’s up? Has he got an ace up his sleeve maybe? I hope so. Anyone else notice this or is it just me?***********************

    ******************************************

    I think Beck is going to Seattle to get the Keyes to the city somewhere in Washington state where he was born…..3 protesters tried to stop the Mayor from issuing Beck the award…..they stood on a street corner trying to draw attention to the fact that Beck said Obama is a racist…..well….he is a racist….he’s proved it over and over to America…..the truth shall set us free!!

  259. Nancy – if Beck uses his research skills to seek facts like he has with SEIU, ACORN < Rathke , Rezco, Education , etc – then the same factual revelations about his moma and family ties to communism will be earth shattering to those not aware – I read all about his family background before the election – he's no different than Jones- especially since VAN Jones ties to communism obviously raised eyebrows and made the White House rethink the liability of being associated with a self avowed commi ?! There is a direct attempt to reveal the truth through a side door –

  260. Nice find Nancy, thanx.

  261. #

    DAR mom // September 18, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Hi had to jump in – to the previous question of why Glen Beck And other Conservatives being unwilling to challenge the legitimacy issue – this is my hang up to – we stay in a perpetual circle fighting all that is being attacked American precisely because Obama is a hater of America – why – because he is not a true American suited to serve as protector of US – we the people – until we unravel – reveal he outright deception of the facts of his history we will stay in this state of chaos – fighting battles until we can not see straight . THIS IS purposeful . but the Why is screaming at me – Why won’t BEck acknowlege the most obvious of all dots to be connected as he attacks Acorn and government corruption – FEAR of violent civil war – has to be – because such a big deal has been made of this 1st Black President – there is the racial element – used to enslave us to A LIAR – as Wilson said he is lie s he is a LIE !!!!!!!!! The corner to back him into must be pursued no matter how hard it is to find
    because we know the facts when revealed will be like thunder in the heavens from above – no one will be able to deny we have been had ! And I was the one with the flu . Still coughing but feeling better – didn’t get checked – didn’t want to
    because seems like everyother flu I’ve had – no need to encourage the idea of “pandemic ” ! its just flu .

    ******************************************

    WEll….you know what….then Oprah and minions will have to do their civic duty and calm the masses….they are part of the problem and created this monster!!!

  262. “Sunstein: Obama, not courts, should interpret law: ‘Beliefs and commitments’ of nation’s leader should supersede judges”

    I thought he was already!!!

  263. ************* NEW POST UP! ************

  264. Jacqlyn Smith // September 18, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Exactly, will never forget when Beck said it was, paraphrasing here, ‘hogwash’ and it made me dizzy I was so befuddled.

  265. Take them down systematically one at a time – just point out the facts as they are – no wndr Obama appointed him.

  266. We will never again have an honest, open, and unbiased judiciary absent a new american revolution. The courts are a fraud upon the citizenry.

  267. citizenwells // September 18, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Nancy.
    I do not believe that Beck is acting weird.
    He is passionate about what he believes.
    For me, this is good.
    Someone that gives a damn.
    This could be a “men are from Mars” scenario.
    I have noticed over my life that women generally do not understand us when we
    are fired up.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Give us a break!! We don’t understand you when you’re not fired up!!!!

  268. JJ
    Point taken.

  269. Glen Beck is onto something and it’s all he can do to contain himself. He is receiving good Godly counsel and is being “as wise as a serpant and as gentle as a dove.” His work has benefited us all. I live in a small town in Georgia. There will be rioting like we’ve not seen in my generation when the filth is removed. Riots now are better than what we are headed for in this nation. Support and stand behind each and everyone working to remove obama. BO must GO

  270. I think it would be a good idea for Fox News to begin discussing what requirements are to be President and Vice President without mentioning Obama. They could make it more of a history lesson. If they say anything at all about the most recent election they could point out that both Obama and McCain did not fit the bill (that’s fair and balanced). Someone from Undead Revolution would be good guests for the discussion and they could also speak to Chester Arthur. This would start getting people eased into the situation and let them gain a better understanding of the issue.

  271. I think Glenn Beck means well, but I (and my husband) find it hard to listen to him when he becomes too emotional or distraught. I did hear him mention that he has ADDHD so that might explain part of it. I respect him greatly for his contributions but just wish he would change his style a little to make him easier for everyone to listen to (especially newcomers who are just beginning to see the “light”).

  272. Hopefully, in reply to the basis for defendants’ motion to dismiss, being it’s a “political question”, plaintiffs will emphasize to the judge that it has been rather a Constitutional question since the time before this POTUS even had the power to tinker with any policies, foreign or otherwise. Answering that Constitutional question by those sworn to uphold the Constitution and given authority under it to vet candidates, could have eliminated any ineligible candidate, using comprehensive information ordered by them from him, and eliminated any injury given to any other viable candidates. Get defendants off the “political question” spin.

    I also feel that, given the sympathy of this particular judge, Carter, veterans of the ongoing war, serving under this CIC’s new policies, and suffering injuries, or relatives of those who have recently died under these new policies which bind our military from engaging the enemy even while under fire, could have more standing as well as empathy from this former Marine.

  273. G2,

    If Glenn Beck has ADHD, he is a gifted ADHD person, which changes the picture considerably.

    Many people who are gifted and ADHD have changed the world.

    Though far from an exhaustive list, the following are people who either showed strong signs of the condition or were diagnosed with such. Clearly historical figures have been reconstructed with the information medicine now has and applied retrospectively:

    Leonardo Da Vinci
    Albert Einstein
    F. Scott Fitzgerald
    S. Hemingway
    A. Lincoln
    Sir Isaac Newton

    Contemporary figures include:

    Dustin Hoffman
    Stevie Wonder
    Steven Speilberg
    Robin Williams

  274. Venice @ 1:16: can you imagine a teleprompter trying to keep up with Robin Williams?! LOL!!
    (and, of course, Stevie wouldn’t need one…)

  275. carmen // September 18, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I live in a small town in Georgia. There will be rioting like we’ve not seen in my generation when the filth is removed.

    I’m from Tennessee, 57 years, now in Kentucky, and Carmen, I just don’t see it…I don’t see this coming to that…yes, he’s viewed as black, but most people choose their fights carefully….I think this is one the blacks and democrats will not choose to fight.
    Grumble, complain, whine, yes, but not the riot folks are screaming about, and that’s from my heart.
    Especially, when the traitor disappears to another country with his family….the ‘first lady from hell’!!!
    Many of the traitor’s supporters have been embarrassed as much as we by the actions, comments, and displays from this family.

  276. JJ, I certainly hope you are right. The majority of people in my area either don’t have a clue or will say anthing in defense of O. Although there has been some breakthrough with Orly having Capt. Rhodes hearing in Columbus and people know Judge Land as a fruitcake. Questions are starting to be asked that were not asked before. It certainly would be a lot safer if O just resigned.

  277. The bad news is Phil Berg’s site is showing a letter from Rhodes to Judge Land saying that she is shipping out and that she did not authorize Orly to file an appeal. She has dismissed Orly and says she will file a misconduct case with the California Bar.

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