Obama birth certificate conclusion, Obama and Ted Cruz natural born citizen status, Obama and Cruz eligibility, No document presented to prove US birth, Obama and media lies never end, Some patriots spoke out

Obama birth certificate conclusion, Obama and Ted Cruz natural born citizen status, Obama and Cruz eligibility, No document presented to prove US birth, Obama and media lies never end, Some patriots spoke out

“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense,  to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells

“Moore said he’s seen no convincing evidence that Obama is a “natural born citizen” and a lot of evidence that suggests he is not.”…Judge Roy Moore interview by WND

“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”…Abraham Lincoln




Proof of US birth not birth recorded is the issue.

With all due respect to the Arpaio Zullo investigation and analysis and commentary from others, it does not matter whether or not the image placed on WhiteHouse.gov, purported to be Obama’s birth certificate, is legitimate or not.

The state of Hawaii may consider this format legal to represent registration of birth in Hawaii.

If it is 100% legitimate and from the state of Hawaii, it still does not prove US birth.


1. It is not a copy of a birth certificate of that year stamped/embossed to prove it is a certified copy.


2. It is a computer generated document with data alleged to be pulled from databases. The verbage at the bottom states “or abstract.”


3. The words “or abstract” will disqualify the image in a court of law as proof positive of a Hawaii birth for Obama. Why? Because per Hawaii law ( check it for yourself ) you can be born elsewhere and have your birth data recorded in Hawaii just as if you were born there.

The lies emanating from the Obama camp and media made “1984” look amateurish.

Many patriots did speak out about the birth certificate, other Obama records and Obama’s natural born citizen deficiencies.

CDR Charles Kerchner filed his first lawsuit challenging Obama’s eligibility on January 20, 2009 prior to the inauguration.

Even though the main position of the lawsuit was Obama’s natural born citizen deficiency due to not having 2 US citizen parents, he included the following:


“7. From Hawaii’s official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: “Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country” (applies to adopted children). A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the
American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certification of live birth (COLB) as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the
original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout).
Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.””

Here are some articles from Citizen Wells that explain this more in detail.

From Citizen News.

“Obama birth certificate facts and lies, History prior to WhiteHouse.gov image”

“My first article about anything purported to be a birth certificate for Barack Obama was on August 8, 2008. It was about allegations that the COLB, Certification of Live Birth, was fake.

Obama did not present this, it was just placed on a few websites.

We later learned that it did not matter if it was fake or authentic.


Because a generated birth certificate like the COLB does not prove Hawaiian or US birth.


Because you do not have to be born in Hawaii to have your birth registered there and at the time of Obama’s birth, there were 4 ways to get it done.

From Western Journalism June 10, 2009.

“I think that I now understand the legal background to the question of where Obama was born.

Let’s begin with the statement that Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health released on October 31, 2008. The television and print media used this statement as a reason to prevent and treat with contempt any investigation into whether Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii. But the language of the statement was so carefully hedged and guarded that it should have had the opposite effect.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

It is understandable that after such an apparently definitive statement most news outlets, whether conservative or liberal, would accept this as sufficient grounds to relegate the controversy to the status of a fringe phenomenon. Unless they happened to take the trouble to look into the “state policies and procedures” as laid down by the relevant statutes. If they had done so, they would have seen that Dr. Fukino’s press release was carefully hedged and “lawyered” and practically worthless. But the media in general should not be faulted. The statement seems to roll out with such bureaucratic certainty and final authority. I believed it to be significant until a Honolulu attorney mailed me the relevant statutes. I was so surprised that I laughed out loud.

Here is a summary of Hawaii’s “state policies and procedures” in 1961.”


From Citizen News.

““Who is lying?

Neil Abercrombie?

Tim Adams?

Barack Obama?

From the White House blog.

“President Obama’s Long Form Birth Certificate
Posted by Dan Pfeiffer on April 27, 2011 at 08:57 AM EDT
In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state, and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet. That birth certificate can be seen here (PDF).

When any citizen born in Hawaii requests their birth certificate, they receive exactly what the President received. In fact, the document posted on the campaign website is what Hawaiians use to get a driver’s license from the state and the document recognized by the Federal Government and the courts for all legal purposes. That’s because it is the birth certificate. This is not and should not be an open question.”

““The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state”

There are 2 lies in that statement.

If you have been paying attention, you should immediately recognize one.

It, even if authentic, does not prove birth in Hawaii or the US.”


From Citizen News.


Obama? He has consistently lied to the American people about his records, his associations with criminals like Tony Rezko and about the health care bill. Obama is a liar.

Neil Abercrombie? The newly elected Governor of Hawaii suggested in an interview with the Honolulu Star Advertiser that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Tim Adams ? a elections official in Honolulu in 2008 signed an affifavit stating:”


From Citizen News.

“Jana Winter and Fox intentionally misleading Americans?”

“Jana Winter of Fox news presented this article on April 29, 2011.

“Expert: No Doubt Obama’s Birth Certificate Is Legit”

“The White House has released President Obama’s long-form birth certificate, saying the document is “proof positive” the president was born in Hawaii.

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.”

Read more:


First of all, I have not questioned whether or not this document actually came from the State of Hawaii or not or whether or not the the document was “photoshopped.” It was not the core issue for me.

The article heading is at least misleading or an outright lie.

“Expert: No Doubt Obama’s Birth Certificate Is Legit”

  • Jean-Claude Tremblay ia a Adobe-certified expert. He only addressed the issue of document manipulation.
  • No mention was made of whether or not Tremblay was a birth certificate expert.
  • Tremblay has not been given access to an original birth certificate.
  • Tremblay did not say that the document was an authenticate presentation of Obama’s original birth certificate.

Why does the article contain these statements?”






45 responses to “Obama birth certificate conclusion, Obama and Ted Cruz natural born citizen status, Obama and Cruz eligibility, No document presented to prove US birth, Obama and media lies never end, Some patriots spoke out

  1. citizenwells

    Proof of US birth not birth recorded is the issue.

    A lot of people are not getting this.

  2. Philo-Publius

    Indiana RFRA ‘Fix’ Could Send Christians to Jail

    The greatly anticipated “fix” to the Indiana religious freedom law has been released by the Indiana legislative committee, and it is far worse than conservatives feared. According to law professor Mark Rienzi, the new fix will allow the state to prosecute Christians criminally for denying gay weddings their professional affirmation.

    Christians were better off before this bill. Appears they all caved and decided to throw Christians under the bus in order to save their political butts. I fear the persecutions will increase and get worst.

  3. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Just a couple things then I’ll be off.

    It’s been a year now since Zullo declared that he had “universe shattering” information concerning Obama.

    We have been told for the last year that “it’s coming”.

    Well, where is it?

  4. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Cabby, I don’t know what’s going on with you, but I sure hope you get well soon.

    I’ll be thinking of you.

    Love ya kiddo.

  5. Interested Bystander

    As far as the Indiana Law,

    One of the things that has always gotten me is that “tolerance” is a one way street.

    We have to tolerate all that “they” do, but they don’t have to tolerate the way I believe.

    To me it’s kind of like Israel. It seems that every decade or so, when tensions get heated, Israel is the one who ALWAYS has to give something up for “peace”, and then the next decade the scenerio is repeated.

    Over the last century, we have been indoctrinated that we must be tolerant, and accepting of people who don’t believe the way I do, and our side continues to give ground without anything in return, only because it is “right”.

    Well, at least in my opinion, it ISN’T “RIGHT”, it’s wrong.

    I have a friend who owns a silk screening business that produces tee shirts. I asked him if he refused to print some things, he said yes and among them would be tee shirts with the “f” word on them, or if they wanted something sexual on them.

    I’d bet that if someone came in and wanted shirts with two men or women kissing or holding hands, and he refused, there would be heck to pay.

  6. Interested Bystander

    I’d also state that I believe the reason the media is pushing this so much, is to deflect other stories that need to be covered.

    Plus, if Pence ever runs for President, now they can claim that he’s the man who signed this bill as Governor of Indiana.

    Forget that 19 other States have this law on the books, and Clinton signed pretty much the same law in 1993, when the bill was co-sponsored by Pelosi, Frank, Delario etc.


  7. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    In my opinion, this Iran deal is simply Obama grasping at straws, trying to get “somthing” done. Don’t worry if it’s a bad deal, just get something done.

    Now they can go around patting each other on their backs, gloating how they got this “historic” agreement worked out.

    It’s a bad deal fo the United States, but the media and the history books will tout how Obama got this done..

  8. Interested Bystander

    Later all.

    Thanks for all you do CW.

  9. oldsailor82

    There is a lot of people who don’t know that it is largely the people from QUEERSVILLE,that is the driving force behind all of the BULLSHI# that is going on here in Indiana. The twisted ,sick BASTARDS like what they do,and now they think it should be RAMMED DOWN the throats of the rest of us. I will go to my grave believing that HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT OK, and those who practice it will most likely die horrible deaths,at a relatively young age. Sadly their minds have been captured by their behavior ,and now they cannot escape their preoccupation……..mainly because they ENJOY WHAT THEY DO. To that end I say TWISTED BEHAVIOR,TWISTED MIND,and soul…….they are thererfore GODLESS!

  10. oldsailor82

    ……..the NUKE deal has been reached, So far about all they have gotten done is AGREE TO DISAGREE. Mzzzzzzzzzzzzz,Clinton is going about saying the deal is already done,and she is allegedly elated,but once again she is LYING. There has been no finalising of the nuclear talks yet. It is possible that 2 or 3 more deadlines will pass, before anything gets done. NO DEAL is a hell of a lot better than a NUKE deal with Iran. If a so called deal gets finalised by Soetoro, watch Israel pursue their own nuclear development. Iran as well as Soetoro had better be very careful, because if he continues without Congress……….there will be ANOTHER RAFT of LIBERALS who will be voted out of office in 2016,and any nuclear deal that Congress has not participated in will TERMINATE when the BASTARD leaves office.


    By: Devvy
    April 2, 2015

    Once again a constitutionally ineligible individual has declared his candidacy for president of these united States of America.

    Once again another battle rages that should have been addressed in 2008 when the criminal impostor in the White House, Barack Obama (Known aliases: Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham), who also lied on his Illinois Bar Application when he said he has never used another name was allegedly elected. The usurper was/is using Barack Obama then but his friends at Occidental College knew him only as Barry Soetoro. Barack Obama was simply made up by the pathological liar at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

    Instead of addressing Barry’s ineligibility back then, the criminal enterprise went all the way to submission of the electoral college vote to the Outlaw Congress on January 9, 2009. Every member of that body of politicians sat mute – Ron Paul – all of them – and allowed the electoral college vote to stand. When the usurper ran again in 2012 and allegedly won (which would not have been possible without all the vote fraud in both elections), once again all of them – both parties- allowed Barry Soetoro to steal the office of president.


  12. Update on cases: How decision by Judge Hanen helped American workers and we are waiting to see if Judge Hanen will take on the issue of SSN fraud committed by Obama in light of Obama’s use of a stolen SSN and massive SSN and IRS fraud that we see in relation to illegal immigration.

    Posted on | April 2, 2015 | No Comments

    Law Offices of Orly Taitz

    Update on cases: How decision by Judge Hanen helped American workers and we are waiting to see if Judge Hanen will take on the issue of SSN fraud committed by Obama in light of his use of a stolen CT SSN and in light of massive SSN and IRS fraud that we see in relation to illegal immigration.


  13. citizenwells

    Gay Activist Gangs (GAG) Gay Nazis.

  14. Obama’s long form birth certificate does have a seal, as is faintly visible in at least one of the reporter photographs. It is not evident because a seal is only visible as a shadow, and a good scanner evenly illuminates the page.

    The stamped certification is the standard stamp used by the state that normally only issues computer generated certificates. Obama’s certificate was an exception to normal process, but they didn’t go out and make a special stamp just for that one certificate. I suppose you could technically call it an abstract because the form in the book has additional medical information cropped off (like all birth certificates from Hawaii and everywhere else).

    There is a detailed description by the State of Hawaii on its web site describing their making Obama’s certificate, and no amount of twisting is going to get around those facts. Obama released his birth certificate and it proves he was born in Hawaii. Try to deal with reality.


  15. Good morning – I wanted to let you know I spoke with CabbyAZ yesterday and passed along all the posted get well wishes and prayers. She was very moved and appreciative.

    Without going into private details, she’s been moved out of a hospital to a rehab center. She’s in a lot of pain, but in spite of the meds. still quite her feisty self and ready to battle TPTB over the disaster of our health care system. Her blog family at Heyoka’s sent her a cheery flower arrangement to brighten her room and remind her she’s a special part of our lives.

    Hopefully she’ll be able to get online in the next day or so and can update you herself, and join in the conversation.

  16. citizenwells

    Ah, Dr. Conspiracy.
    As I definitively stated.

    There is no US birth proof.
    If the image is authentic, it only proves that data was recorded for Obama’s birth.
    Not that he was born in the US.
    The big lie, that Goebbels and “1984” spoke of, is still being perpetuated.
    Dr. Conspiracy knows that.

  17. Dr. Conspiracy

    The phrase “or abstract” appears on all modern Hawaiian birth certificates, and it is pretty silly, you must admit, to say that all Hawaiian birth certificates are invalid in court. There are two huge problems with invoking Hawaiian law about the registration of overseas births in attempt to invalidate Obama’s birth certificate.

    1) The most obvious is that the certificate plainly says Obama was born in Honolulu, and not some foreign country. It says he was born at Kapi’olani hospital and is signed by a doctor there.

    2) The second lesser problem is that the law for foreign registrations, HRS 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982.

  18. citizenwells

    Once again, Dr. Conspiracy misquotes me.
    I did not say that all Hawaiian birth certificate are invalid in court.
    I stated that the modern form does not prove HI or US birth.
    That is a indisputable fact.
    Case closed.

  19. Can you actually cite a statement by Governor Abercrombie suggesting that the DOH does not have a copy of a birth certificate?

    Also does Tim Adams ever name any of his anyomous sources? Aren’t his statements hearsay?

  20. citizenwells

    “He told the Honolulu Star-Advertiser about Obama’s documentation: “It actually exists in the archives, written down.” The Daily Mail however, said Abercrombie “suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.””


    Tim Adams worked in the elections office in HI & signed an affidavit.

  21. citizenwells

    “From American Thinker February 13, 2011.

    “But less than a month later, when it was Abercrombie’s turn to produce the long form, he turned up empty-handed, and instead offered some ambiguous lines about something “written down” that “actually exists.”
    Enter a new player to the game: journalist friend of Abercrombie, Mike Evans, on the radio a few days later touting “There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii — absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii.” ”


  22. Dr. Conspiracy

    You cannot close the case on your claim that Obama’s long form is not valid in court until you have made the case. You haven’t. You misrepresented Hawaiian Law. It is hard to believe that almost 4 years after the long form was released, that you’re still stuck in chain-email quality nonsense from 2011.

    “Case closed” means nothing more than you have nothing to argue.

  23. citizenwells

    “Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. How is that coming?

    A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.

    (Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

    It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down …

    …What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

    If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.”


  24. Dr. Conspiracy

    The Secretary of State if Arizona, Ken Bennett, received a verification, signed and sealed, from Hawaii that proved to his satisfaction that Obama was born in Hawaii. Bennett was a Republican. So you think Bennett is part of the conspiracy?

  25. Our country has a growing problem — a great many of our citizens are now carrying dual citizenship into adulthood. This situation arose because of the creation modern dual citizenship loopholes, such as with the passage of the Cable Act of 1922, whereupon wives no longer acquired derivative citizenship from their husband upon marriage. Now, since one parent may remain an alien, children of such unions are born with naturally divided allegiances. This isn’t the only loophole that gives rise to dual citizenship, with perhaps the most egregious being the misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment that confers American citizenship by “magic dirt,” thereby creating dual citizenship anchor babies.

    Note that the problem is not that some other country may foist random citizenship claims upon our citizens, for our government rightly would not recognize such folly. The problem is that officially recognized dual citizenship is allowed to persist into adulthood. This creates a cohort of unnatural hybrid citizens of split allegiance and questionable loyalty. This can only be described as civic bigamy and is as destructive and dangerous to a nation as is marital bigamy to a marriage.

    Unlike these hybrid native citizens, whom our government allows to linger in split allegiance limbo, when complete aliens naturalize to become American citizens, they must take an oath of _exclusive_ allegiance to the USA and officially renounce all prior allegiances. Their citizenship status from that point forward as recognized by the USA is 100 percent American and nothing else. Note that a native *natural* Citizen has this status without any process or law. Obviously, a *natural born* Citizen must have this status from birth on.

    How can anyone in their right mind think that it is acceptable for a president to have _ever_ had a weaker citizenship status than what we require of all naturalized former aliens, that is _that_they_have_allegiance_only_to_America? This sets the citizenship bar over which all presidents must pass and the Constitution demands that they pass it (exclusive allegiance) naturally from birth on.

  26. citizenwells

    By virtue of his title, there is a high probability he is biased or an idiot.

  27. citizenwells

    By the way, that was not a scotus ruling.

  28. citizenwells

    Maybe something in the water in AZ.
    Idiot McCain there too.

  29. citizenwells

    Perhaps water depletion leaving too high a concentration of chemicals.

  30. citizenwells

    “Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 126,000 in March”


    That is probably the good news.
    I will report the rest of the story soon

  31. citizenwells

    Gee, I must be psychic….lol.
    I just took a first glance at data.
    No surprise.

  32. Dr. Conspiracy writes, “Obama’s long form birth certificate does have a seal, as is faintly visible in at least one of the reporter photographs. It is not evident because a seal is only visible as a shadow . . .” And goes to say, The stamped certification is the standard stamp used by the state . . .”

    Q: How can it be determined the standard stamp was used if all that is visible is a faint shadow?

  33. After 6 years, there are still so many blatant lies and misrepresentations still being spread by people who should be able to comprehend what has been written in regards to the President’s birth certificate. The poster above quoting Devvy Kidd fails to mention that in regards to the law license, the state of Illinois was not asking for any name used prior to becoming a lawyer but if the person who was being licensed had ever practiced law under any other name. If Barack Obama had legally had his name changed from Obama to Soetoro and back to Obama, although there is zero proof of this ever having happened despite birther claims otherwise, it still wouldn’t apply in regards to the Illinois State Bar Association because he never practiced law under any other name. The only name ever associated with his law license was Barack Obama, no other, despite the fact Ms. Kidd, Orly Taitz and many others have tried to repeatedly deceive the public. It’s apparent they rely on lies to do so, ridiculously claiming the name Barack Obama used at both Occidental and Columbia was Soetoro despite school newspapers, graduation programs and yearbooks listing him as Barack Obama, just as he was listed at Punahou Academy in Hawaii. If Birthers didn’t have lies, they’d have nothing to say.

  34. Dr. Conspiracy writes, “Bennett was a Republican. So you think Bennett is part of the conspiracy?”

    Who gives a rat’s *** what his party affiliation is. Long gone are the days when that signified anything. Do try to keep up.

  35. Dr. Conspiracy writes, the “long form birth certificate does have a seal, as is faintly visible . . . It is not evident because a seal is only visible as a shadow . . . The stamped certification is the standard stamp used by the state . . .”

    Q: How can it be determined the standard stamp was used if the only thing visible is a faint shadow?

  36. The seal that can be seen in Pixel Patriots image of the PDF is in exactly the same place as in the photo taken by Savannah Guthrie.

    Tim Adams was a temporary election clerk who said he worked for the City of Honolulu on his MySpace page. He started work in May, 2008 and stopped working by his own words by mid-August, 2008.

    An election clerk, even a full-time one, would not be able to access the DOH records.

    Mike Evans – “Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. “I never talked to him.”

    In the Star-Bulletin article Governor Abercrombie is talking about the state archives not the Department of Health. The State archives does not keep vital records. Governor Abercrombie told CNN he would be releasing the LFBC nor would he ask President Obama for permission to release it.

  37. citizenwells

    Nice try.
    Buh bye.

  38. CitizenWells,
    Obama could have, and based upon what he has done in the past with “in your face revelations” proven his status for eligibility easily. He could have applied to the FEC for a ruling. He could have released his records as to his previous citizenship claims, as a student. He could have had the State of Hawaii release hundreds of copies to the press, instead of a single reporter viewing. He could have released the original filling, including footprints. It’s seven years later, and frankly there is no indisputable proof of anything about his past. Dr. Conspiracy doesn’t seem to understand that Obama and the liberals have everything released, true or false (Harry Reid’s lie about Romney taxes now admitted) about Conservatives, but they refuse to request Obama do the same. The truth is fairly obvious because ” the only people that hide something are people with something to hide”. Hidden is a story, one that by eye witnesses says that Obama, even if born in Hawaii, claimed during his adult life he was something else. Dr. conspiracy is aware of this, and has made no effort to pursue that reality. He isn’t interested in the truth, and no political party is either, and you clearly are. Therein lies the real conflict, those of us whom believe that the truth is essential to a free people, and those that believe agenda comes first. No matter if the liberals have failed most Americans (see job data), endangered the world, and outright lied, as well as subverted government, they are so blinded that they cannot even demand the simplest verifications. What is it that they really fear? When did truth become dangerous for a free people? Perhaps 1984 really happened before 2008, but the Obama legacy is Orwelian.


  39. To learn the truth about Soetoro,you only need to expend enough energy to examine PUBLIC RECORDS, WHICH EXIST,as well as look for records which SHOULD EXIST,but DON’T. Public records have existed for far longer than many of the people who try to make others believe that UP is DOWN,and are ALWAYS updated with BIRTHS,DEATHS,MARRIAGES,BANKRUPTCIES,DIVORCES,GRANTED NAME CHANGES.ETC.and they are DEPENDABLE. Their information is provided by the courts after the fact. Their information is also accepted with certification in the Superior Courts. Anyone who thinks that, having an illegal name,is OK should try to use that name in a court of law. A diligent clerk will require a certified copy of your BC, to accompany legal action,divorce,marriage,name change petition,etc, Without it adjudication will not take place.

  40. Pete…….
    ……..and those who try to hide something from their past cannot bear hearing,or seeing the truth. Those who are loyal to them will SWEAR that LIES ARE THE TRUTH…..AND.UP IS DOWN! Most even have concocted explanations for it all. The more elaborate the so called explanation is,the more likely it is that the explanation is FABRICATED BULLSHI#……BREWED BY A MENTALLY DISTURBED OVEREDUCATED WORDTWISTER. SUCH PERSONS USUALLY HAVE A HOMOSEXUAL FASCINATION WITH PEOPLE LIKE SOETORO………OR IS IT BIRDS OF A FEATHER…………..?

  41. CW…….
    …..perhaps you will find it amusing if you read the last sentence posted by 4ZOLTAN!……..beginning with the words Governor Abercrombie then read to the next period. Maybe you can figure it out…….it is his 2:36 PM comment which I am referring to. There seem to be a couple of TINY words OUT OF PLACE which renders the sentence MEANINGLESS.

  42. citizenwells

    The Orwellian aspect hit me in the face early in 2008.

  43. Dr. Conspiracy

    @sojourner56 You are confusing the stamp and the seal. The seal is barely visible, but the stamp is plain. The point of discussion was the language on the stamp. All current Hawaiian birth certificates known use the same standard language. The word “abstract” is used because nearly all current Hawaiian birth certificate are “short forms” which are abstracts. They contain the essential facts necessary to prove citizenship and to allow the holder to obtain a US Passport.

    The whole issue of “abstract” is a red herring. A certified copy is a certified copy under Hawaiian law, whether a photocopy or an abstract. Here’s the operative statute:

    Ҥ338-13 Certified copies. (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
    (c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.”

  44. citizenwells

    Dr. Conspiracy once again, the master of obfuscation.
    As I have clarified, the point is moot.
    Even if authentic, it does not prove HI birth.
    There is nothing to argue about.
    Case closed!

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