Presidents challengers mysterious deaths, Andrew Breitbart Tim Russert General Patton, LA Coroner death, Pulmonary embolism or heart attack induced?

Presidents challengers mysterious deaths, Andrew Breitbart Tim Russert General Patton, LA Coroner death, Pulmonary embolism or heart attack induced?

“Why have so many people questioning Obama or associated with his corrupt past been threatened or died under mysterious circumstances?”…Citizen Wells

“Why was Christopher Kelly transported past 2 trauma facilities on the way to Stroger Hospital?”…Thomas R. Bennett

“Why did Donald Young, Bill Gwatney, Christopher Kelly, Andrew Breitbart and others with information about Obama all die under mysterious circumstances?”…Citizen Wells

I was already planning to revisit the death of Tim Russert when I watched a repeat episode of Brad Meltzer’s Decoded on the mysterious death of General
George Patton. Throughout the episode several statements provided an eerie reminder of recent events that were also controverial. Mysterious deaths of
reporters who had questioned the current occupant of the White House.

Under normal circumstances, that is, most of my life, the death of a TV journalist would have passed without special significance. However, when Tim Russert died at an early age, I could not help but raise the possibility that he was murdered. After all, anyone questioning Obama in 2008 was subject to verbal
attacks and death threats. I reported one of the death threats against me to the FBI.

I do not know what Tim Russert was working on when he died, but I do know that Russert was one of the few journalists asking tough questions of Obama at one time.

Tim Russert interview of Barack Obama from Citizen Wells April 12, 2008.

“MR. RUSSERT: You talked about Senator Clinton having records released from the Clinton Library regarding her experience as first lady, and yet when you were asked about, “What about eight years in the state senate of Illinois,” you said, “I don’t know.” Where, where are the—where are your records?

SEN. OBAMA: Tim, we did not keep those records. I…

MR. RUSSERT: Is your schedule available anywhere? Are—the records exist?

SEN. OBAMA: I—Tim, I kept my own schedule. I didn’t have a scheduler.

MR. RUSSERT: Senator Durbin, your colleague, publishes his schedule each day. Would you do that?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, you know, these days I have a public presidential schedule that I think everybody has access to.”

From MSNBC June 14, 2008.

“NBC’s Tim Russert dies of heart attack at 58
Washington bureau chief, ‘Meet the Press’ moderator collapsed on job”

“Tim Russert, NBC News’ Washington bureau chief and the moderator of “Meet the Press,” died Friday after suffering a heart attack at the bureau. He was 58.

Russert was recording voiceovers for Sunday’s “Meet the Press” broadcast when he collapsed. He was rushed to Sibley Memorial Hospital in Washington, where resuscitation efforts were unsuccessful.

Russert’s physician, Michael Newman, said cholesterol plaque ruptured in an artery, causing sudden coronary thrombosis.”

As most of you know, Andrew Breitbart was going to release damning information about Barack Obama the very day that he died under mysterious circumstances.

The LA Coroner’s office ruled that Breitbart died of heart failure and hardening of the arteries.

From WND may 10, 2012.


“A man who witnessed the death of Andrew Breitbart said the conservative media icon collapsed like a “sack of bricks” and died with bright red skin and a “thick white band” on his forehead.

The testimony comes from Christopher Lasseter, 26, who was walking his dog near the Brentwood Restaurant the evening of March 1 and saw Breitbart leave the eatery, cross the street and fall to the ground on the opposite side of the street.

On assignment from WND, Los Angeles private investigator Paul Huebl found Lasseter Tuesday evening.

In a video provided to WND and posted on YouTube, Huebl filmed the inside of the Brentwood Restaurant, showing the bar where Breitbart was in conversation with a Los Angeles marketing executive. Breitbart drank a glass of wine before leaving the restaurant to cross the street.

Standing at the site where Breitbart died, Huebl conducted a video interview with Lasseter.

Lasseter reported he noticed a big thick band of blanched white skin around the top of Breitbart’s forehead, extending around the hairline to the back of Breitbart’s head, that him do a “doubletake.”

In the various reports of Breitbart’s death, WND is the first to report an eyewitness observed the thick white band around Breitbart’s forehead.

“There was a thick white band around his forehead all the way around his hairline, bright red face, thick, thick white band – made me make a double take,” Lasseter said.

He further described Breitbart’s face and skin as “bright red,” in a manner consistent with Huebl’s first interview with him, as Huebl initially reported on his blog.”
LA Coroner’s official poisoned?

“An official with the Los Angeles County coroner’s office may have been poisoned with arsenic, police said Friday.

KNX 1070′s John Brooks reports investigators are taking a closer look at the death of 61-year-old Micheal Cormier.

Cormier, a respected autopsy and forensic technician who also was a photographer with the special operations response team, was rushed to St. Joseph’s Medical Center in Burbank from his North Hollywood home one week ago.
Hospital staff eventually advised police that there may be “suspicious circumstances” surrounding Cormier’s death, said LAPD Lt. Alan Hamilton.

“We have information that could potentially include foul play,” Hamilton said.”

General George Patton had questioned Dwight Eisenhour on many occassions and had many enemies. While I do not believe that Eisenhour had Patton murdered, I do believe that is possible someone else did.

Interesting, eh?

101 responses to “Presidents challengers mysterious deaths, Andrew Breitbart Tim Russert General Patton, LA Coroner death, Pulmonary embolism or heart attack induced?

  1. jacqlynsmith

    What does FREEDOM mean to YOU…..wake up AMERICA……

    Why The Ron Paul Revolution Is So Important In America Today

  2. jacqlynsmith

    Sibel Edmonds whistle-blower youtubes

    It’s a sordid tale of a true American patriot who, after discovering high-levels of espionage, corruption and bribery of high-level U.S. officials by Turkish nationals, was turned into a pariah by the Bush Administration instead of being congratulated.

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    Iowa GOP staffer resigns after Ron Paul takeover, fundraising woes

  6. Free Speech

    Extended interview with Libertarian Presidential candidate Gary Johnson on C-Span

  7. DHS Whistleblower: Obama to Commit ‘Reichstag’ Event to Enact Martial Law
    [While we can’t verify the accuracy of this ‘DHS whistleblower’ we feel we should at least inform of the possibility.]

    The Obama agents, through the DHS and other assorted colluders, are plotting a major ‘Reichstag’ event to generate racial riots and produce the justification for martial law, delaying the November 2012 elections, possibly indefinitely, a DHS whistleblower informed the Canada Free Press on Tuesday.

    The ‘Reichstag Event’ would take the form of a staged assassination attempt against Barack Obama, “carefully choreographed” and manufactured by Obama operatives. It would subsequently be blamed on “white supremacists” and used to enrage the black community to rioting and looting, the DHS source warned.

    For more:

  8. Free Speech

    Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson

  9. It would seem that whoever done the preliminary (at scene) investigation would have talked with potential witnesses. Then if learning that he had just left a restuarant would have taken the time to talk with the employees,and owner of the restuarant to gain a little insight into the events leading up to,and immediately before the departure of Breitbart,and perhaps how he had appeared ,and behaved while inside of the restuarant. If he was having a heart attack there is usually behavioral,and/or weakness precursors that are sometimes VISIBLE then. If it was the result of a massive brain hemmorage,then there would have been a certain level of speech disorder as well. I believe that we may never learn the TRUE pathological reason why Breitbart died the way he did. Unless a highly trained pathologist takes over on an autopsy it is possible,and all to often probable that the real reason for a person’s death could is missed. They then simply state “NATURAL”causes. What the public often doesn’t know is that the pathologist was actually talking on his/her cell phone to a friend and really didn’t even give a damn whether or not the
    cause of the death was determined. They think that they can fool ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. Here in Indiana there has been MULTIPLE INCIDENTS of alleged pathologists who really didn’t even conduct an autopsy, but only SAID they did, and filled out the pertinent forms to make it appear that the autopsy had been performed. In at least one case the pathologist was found to not have even been at the place of the autopsy on the date specified on the form. He was eventually caught at lying,and later fired from the position he held.

  10. Free Speech

    Gov. Gary Johnson Responds To Every Question Asked In CNN Debate

  11. I am seeing a MASSIVE increase in the moral turpitude of the people of our country. You can thank the DRUG HEADS,and the PURVEYORS OF PORN, along with the slimey,and sick little perverts who spend all of their money on the filth, which they then wallow in. These are people who are comparable to the inmate of an insane asylum who talks with himself, and while doing so catches and plays with his own feces,rolling it into tiny balls. Is this a bit graphic? I said it that way for a reason………to invoke the complete disgust of anyone who reads this comment. Perhaps if we cause enough disgust of otherwise COMPLACENT people they will AWAKEN to the REALITY of what is happening to even our children. Many parents cannot tell you what their kids are doing, or all too often even where their kids are at any specific moment. They could be DOING DRUGS,or WATCHING PORN, OR BOTH. DO YOU EVEN GIVE A DAMN? I have recently read that in Connecticut some parents now even do drugs and watch porn WITH THEIR KIDS. This would be the EPITOME of depravity.

  12. Free Speech

    With his name slated to be on every state ballot in the country in November, Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson is an important voice – bringing bold new ideas to the table that appeal to voters across the political spectrum.

    Johnson, a Republican who served as governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003, is running on a platform that includes slashing government spending to balance the federal budget by 2013, ending wars the U.S. in involved in, and drug reform — beginning with the legalization of marijuana but extending all the way to the war on drugs, drug policy, relations with Latin America, and even law enforcement policies and priorities– issues that neither of the two major candidates President Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are pursuing right now.

    Having received the Libertarian nomination in Las Vegas last weekend, Johnson must now cross a new threshold to ensure that his voice is heard and give these important initiatives a lot of exposure — achieving the 15 percent required by the Commission on Presidential Debates to participate.

    If the two parties continue to move to the extreme left and right, and if our economic situation continues to remain bleak, it is conceivable that a fresh face emerging would find a degree of responsiveness in a political environment that is as hostile as I have ever seen.

    With neither Obama nor Romney offering an overarching message that has been able to resonate with an electorate that is becoming increasingly cynical about anyone’s ability to fix this country’s ongoing, trenchant and most vexatious problems – Gary Johnson’s voice is one that needs to be heard.

    Read more:

  13. Free Speech

    After listening to Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson’s answers to the CNN debate, I am surprised to find that I agree with Gov Johnson more than I disagree. The most important thing is to defeat bo so I am planning to vote for Gov Romney, but if Gov Johnson were to shoot to first place in the polls, I would not hesitate to vote for him.

  14. jacqlynsmith

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  15. jacqlynsmith

    Free Speech | May 12, 2012 at 12:12 pm |

    After listening to Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson’s answers to the CNN debate, I am surprised to find that I agree with Gov Johnson more than I disagree. The most important thing is to defeat bo so I am planning to vote for Gov Romney, but if Gov Johnson were to shoot to first place in the polls, I would not hesitate to vote for him.

    Great……Gary Johnson has said if he wins the PREZ he will select RON PAUL as his VP……what an awesome team that would be! LOVE IT! 🙂

  16. Free Speech

    Gary Johnson’s Highlights 2012 GOP Debate

  17. Whistleblower


    Rezko’s partner testifies against the Feds?

  18. Free Speech


    Yes, if President Johnson and Vice President Paul are leading in the polls in late October, I will vote for them. Otherwise, I will vote for Gov Romney. Anybody but bo!

  19. Free Speech

  20. Tim Russert was silenced. He was way too upright to “Lean Forward”. He couldn’t be bought, threatened or blackmailed. He couldn’t be BSed.

  21. Free Speech

    jacqlynsmith | May 12, 2012 at 12:28 pm |

    Great……Gary Johnson has said if he wins the PREZ he will select RON PAUL as his VP……what an awesome team that would be! LOVE IT!
    JS, I am surprised that you are not aware of the fact that the Libertarian Party has chosen Judge Gray as the VP Candidate.

    Libertarian V.P. pick: Former O.C. Judge Gray

  22. Free Speech

    Johnson has been polling between 6 and 9 percent nationally, a number just large enough to cover most Obama-Romney spreads. His name is expected to appear on ballots in all 50 states, and unlike the president and Mitt Romney, Johnson will spend the next six months speaking freely in language unmolested by establishment advisers or influential special interests. As the predictable election trench war digs in, the unassuming New Mexican is taking on the distinct and alarming traits of a spoiler.

    “The Libertarian candidate is going to be the only candidate talking about gun rights and gay rights in the same sentence, about slashing welfare spending and warfare spending,” Gov. Johnson told The Daily Beast in Las Vegas this weekend.

    He is making a clear play for independents, the mythical 40 percent of Americans who swear allegiance to no party and allegedly decide every major election. In a country where we have been trained to believe that the full history of Western political philosophy can be compressed into a Sean Hannity vs. Al Sharpton cage match, Johnson could be an attractive alternative for the disillusioned and disgusted.

    And contra the Journal’s allegation, Johnson considers himself more in line with mainstream politics than either Obama or Romney.

    “Position-wise,” he said in Las Vegas, “I’m representative of the majority of Americans’ views.”

    Certainly Johnson is the only national politician who can step in front of a microphone and declare, “I share the outrage of the Tea Party, but I also share the outrage of Occupy Wall Street.” On civil liberties, drug laws, defense spending and foreign wars, he outflanks President Obama from the left. But with his views on entitlement spending, cutting government agencies and again on civil liberties, he nudges Romney from the right. On subjects ranging from farm subsidies to immigration reform and bank bailouts, Johnson’s independence has given him the luxury of staying ahead of popular opinion on a wide array of issues.

  23. Chris Kelly was Rod Blagojevich’s “point man” for casino gambling in Illinois and had received a loan (for an undisclosed amount) from Nahdmi Auchi…An important peice to this saga was Eric Holder was hired by Rod Blagojevich for $400,000 to investigate possible mob connections, he should have been investigating possible war criminal connections.

  24. Free Speech

    Gov. Gary Johnson- Great Interview

  25. Jerome Corsi:

    “… at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C., just three weeks before Breitbart’s death – where he promised to unveil “damning” new video evidence of Barack Obama’s radical past that would change the election – Breitbart gave WND details of his upcoming revelations.

    He claimed to WND that he had a video showing radical Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers and Barack Obama at Harvard planning revolution in the United States. But the video, aired just after he died, was of Obama introducing a radical Harvard professor, and the general response was flat.”

  26. Whistleblower; Why is Cooley sending copies of correspondene emails to IP2P? They reveal Frawley’s delusions of granduer and fantasies of being a hero, he use to brag about being a boxer and being in the military in Vietnam, imaginary tales of a life he never led. It is common to say that someone suffers from mental illness but in Daniel Frawley’s case only the people who come in contact with him suffer, he is duranged and not credible having been diagnosed with mental illness as a small child. The only thing the feds did wrong was incorporate Frawley into their ranks without vetting his mental stability or lack there of.

  27. Day after day, I find great posts on this site, which I enjoy reading. But frankly, I ask what is being done? How is the message getting out? Is there any organization to all of the hard work being put forth on CW’s site?

    In my humble opinion if we want to send Obama “PACKING” in 2012, than more needs to be done.

    A few suggestions:

    Call in to radio talk shows.
    Appearances on live TV talk shows (CW have you ever appeared or called into any of the TV and radio talk shows?)
    Partake in Tea Party meetings.
    Get anti-Obama Bumper Stickers and T-shirts. (i.e., “FIRE THE LAIR”)
    Editorial letters to newspapers. (If you find a Lib article contact the writer)
    Letter’s and flyer’s to collages, churches, government offices etc.
    Attend Public meetings, talk to neighbors, friends and even strangers!
    Publish flyer’s in Spanish.
    etc., etc., etc.

  28. Free Speech

    Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson on John Stossel Show

  29. Whistleblower; Why was Frawley emailing Cooley to begin with? Cooley isn’t a writer, he had ghost writers pen his book…Was Cooley acting as an emissary for Frawley to sell his book so that the feds wouldn’t find out before his sentencing??? and why would he give Cooley all this information in writing, why would he just tell him his story in person or a phone conversation?

  30. Whistleblower


    Do you believe Frawley is the only thing the Feds did wrong ?

  31. citizenwells

    I agree, more should be done.
    I have been interviewed some & my good friend, radio host Jeff Katz tweets some of my articles.
    My primary function is researching & getting SEO to counteract the Orwellian missinfo of the MSM
    (such as the Wash Po recently).
    I am always available for interviews & speeches as long as it does not detract from my primary purpose.

  32. CW………
    Would it be possible for you to appear on be on any of the talk shows, if arranged?. You have great comments that need to be aired. The Internet has a limited audience and exposure is what’s needed. I try to point as many people and/or friends as I can to your web site. I feel the more the better. We’ve got to get this bum out of office.

  33. citizenwells

    Yes, under the right circumstances.
    It is primarily a function of getting the most bang for my time & staying focused.

  34. Whistleblower; no I do not but Frawley was a huge error in judgement…the fbi with all their vetting abilities NEVER should have recruited Frawley…He could never testify because of his history of mental illness, con games, constant deceit and inability to be truthful…

  35. citizenwells

    Bessie, yet Stuart Levine was the key witness against Rezko.

  36. bob strauss

    Saturday, May 12, 2012
    Washington Free Beacon: Composite President; Obama’s Cultivated Image Coming Undone
    ObamaRelease YourRecords on 11:17 AM |

    Our Composite President
    Column: Obama’s carefully cultivated image is coming undone
    By Matthew Continetti @ Washington Free Beacon

    The presidential race recently took a turn for the humorous when the Obama campaign revealed its latest ridiculous microsite: ‘The Life of Julia.’ Visitors were treated to a web-based slideshow that follows an imaginary woman—Julia—as she benefits from Obama’s unsustainable government largesse throughout her nonexistent life. This revealing and creepy fictional illustration of dependency soon became the butt of well-deserved ridicule, especially since its debut coincided with a reminder that Obama’s girlfriend in his first memoir was a “composite.”

  37. HonorFirst

    Anyone having problem with viruses, malware, etc from WND? Once when I went there I got a ‘windows warning” and the last time I went there I got a message that something was wrong with my pc and it tried to lead me to do some type of scan. I didn’t do anything just closed the page. Now for the last 2.5 hours I have been running scans to detect any malware, etc. I havent detected anything yet but hope I dont have something lurking.

    Wondering if anyone else getting the same type of crap from there. I avoid Orly Taitz site for the same reason.

    PS I just got my pc back 2 weeks ago…needed a clean reinstall, sheesh, I dont need anymore problems, ty.

  38. citizenwells

    I had a similar problem a week or so ago.
    Not sure where I was at time but I do go to WND often.
    Recovered from it ok.

  39. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    bob strauss (on your Anderson Cooper video from last evening),

    It is “in your face” indoctrination.

    Anderson Cooper was flat out MISinforming the public about what the officials in Hawaii have “confirmed”. From everything I know of this issue, Hawiaan officials have confirmed that they have an original ON FILE, but I don’t believe they have confirmed that the documents the WH has released, reflect what they have on file.

    As far as the other “discussion” going on last evening, I don’t see any discussion what so ever. I see two people who have already made up their minds (wrong in my opinion), about how I and others preceive how the Government is SUPPOSED to work.

    The problem is that I have the documents that PROVE that I am on the right side of the issues.

    Liberal, Libertarian, Conservative are simply lables that people like to use to lump people together. Forget INDIVIDUALISM, everyone has this stat or that poll trying to tell us how we are supposed to think.

    It’s NOT liberal to believe that the Constitution gives all powers not mentioned in the document to the STATES. It’s the TRUTH that this is what the document states. Under what Article of the Constitution does it give the FEDERAL Government the power to dictate what drugs are legal or illegal? Simple question, and I doubt highly that I get a response. But yet there’s that pesky 10th Amendment that states if STATES want to make ANY law whatsoever, then have at it.

    It’s NOT liberal to believe that the defense of OUR borders is what the document states. It’s the TRUTH, and unless we have a treaty with another Country, and THEY are aggressed against, then we should stay out of other’s foriegn affairs MILITARILY, not diplomatically, but militarily we should be more concerned with the biggest threat to OUR boarders, which is illegals coming across the Mexican border.

    The lables people TRY to put on me doesn’t bother me in the least.

    I’m an INDIVIDUAL, and if you want to lable me, try being accurate. Try using the word CONSTITUTIONALIST, because THAT’s what I am.

    Brought this over from last thread to give those accusing me of being a “liberal” a chance to inform me what Article of the Constitution allows for the FEDERAL Government to make a law regarding drugs?

    No answer on the other thread (imagine that).

  40. bob strauss

    South Dakota Obama Election Challenge Dismissed
    SD Rep. Charlie Hoffman also doubts Obama’s eligibility

    “The state Board of Elections declared on a 6-0 vote this morning that its members lack any jurisdiction to take up a complaint filed by [Thomas Scheveck] alleging that President Barack Obama isn’t a natural-born U.S. citizen, uses someone else’s Social Security number and posts a false birth certificate.”

    Previously: “[SD]Secretary of State Jason Gant said the first question the board has to decide is whether it’s the right body to consider Scheveck’s complaint.” [link2]
    Posted by Birther Headlines at 4:00 PM

  41. HonorFirst

    Thanks CW

  42. bob strauss

    Cooper is a desperate liar, covering for his tea bagging pResident. He is a complete fool and is deeply involved in the cover up. “He’s a traitor to this country”, Al Gore had it right, just the wrong person.

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  45. bob strauss

    The Bastard Presidency of Barack Obama

    May 12, 2012 Leave a comment

    ~Natural Citizenship vs Legal Citizenship~
    (the black man/ hermaphrodite analogy)

    Are you an American from birth? If the answer is “yes”, what significant information can we deduce from that? Answer: “Nothing”. That’s due to the fact that the answer conveys two possible meanings, and therefore is ambiguous.
    The two possible answers would not have any significance in your life whatsoever, -unless you were one day able to run for the highest office in the nation, -the presidency. Then it would make all the difference in the world. How so? Because the citizenship with which you were born is either a barrier to the presidency or it’s an open invitation.

    It you were legally born with United States citizenship, with citizenship granted & declared by the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, -citizenship which no one can alter or rescind, then you are not eligible to be the President.
    But if your citizenship is not granted by anything, -no law, nor article of, or Amendment to the Constitution, nor any Supreme Court ruling, then you are eligible to be the President because you were not legally-born with U.S. citizenship but were naturally born as a citizen.

    The Constitution requires that no one except “a natural born citizen” be eligible to the office of the President. Do you “legally” qualify to be President? Not in a technical sense if you’re a natural citizen since your citizenship is not a result of any U.S. Law. Your qualification for the presidency is not a matter of law but of the Constitution, and by it only natural citizens are qualified.

    The Law and the Constitution do not grant your citizenship because they do not need to. Why not? Because you’re a citizen by natural determination, and not merely by legal determination. The Principles of Nature are as high above the Principles of Law as the Penthouse suite is above the ground floor. Natural membership (of which citizenship is a form), can’t be altered or canceled. It exists as a fact of Nature affecting all social creatures on earth. One who is born as a natural citizen is not said to “have” citizenship. Rather “a Citizen” is what they are organically. It’s inescapable. It’s one’s (political) nature. It results from being born to parents who were citizens.

    You were the product of what they were. Their nationality was the nationality with which you were born, -a born member of their nation. A member by nature.

    But one born “with” citizenship possesses it as a gift of the natural citizens who ratified the 14th Amendment granting citizenship to children of legal American immigrants. That gift does not make them natural citizens. It makes them legal citizens instead because they are citizens by law and not by nature. Their citizenship is not a natural right but a man-made right.

    An illustration of the principle is that of a white person who wants to be a member of the black-persons group. They are all natural members of their group because they were born black. But whitey was not. So in order to be a member of that group he needs to have what they have, which is black skin and appearance.

    There’s no way to acquire them naturally because that’s only the result of birth, not human action. But he can acquire it artificially by having injections or skin dye, or excessive tanning, making him thereby a man-made black person. He can then be accepted as a member of the group, even though he is not a natural black person.
    He can serve the group in every capacity except one, -he can’t be the leader of the group. That’s reserved for only natural members. But if he never has the opportunity to be the leader, then it doesn’t affect him in the least. It’s like that glass ceiling doesn’t even exist.
    He would be one very rare individual if life presented him an open door to ride the elevator to the top-floor Penthouse suite of the leadership position. Only then would he encounter the glass ceiling, unless that is, the guardians of the suite had completely forgotten the fundamental rule that no man-made member is allowed to be the leader.
    But what if his father was white and his mother was a black member of the black group? Would he then be a natural member? Well, would he be considered a natural member of the white group? Of course not, -so also he would not be a natural member of the black group because he didn’t have a black father.
    Maybe if his black mother was impregnated while still a virgin via the power of a divine miracle, then possibly he could be purely black in the physical sense. But with that possibility aside, he would not be a natural black member because that requires purely black parentage, -black & white does not produce purely black natural off-spring.
    Barack Obama is just such a racial being and also such a citizen being. His citizenship nature is no more purely and naturally American than his racial nature is purely and naturally white. He is instead a hybrid blend of two distinctly different backgrounds.
    No mixture can result in a natural replication of just one of the two ingredients that comprise the mixture. An oil-&-water mixture does not produce a result that is pure oil or pure water, and hence it cannot be natural because oil and water are never naturally associated.

    So it is with American citizenship and foreign citizenship. They don’t mix and produce natural American citizens. They produce hybrid mixture dual-citizens. Dual citizens are no more natural than is a hermaphrodite.
    Unnatural combinations of competing natures can hardly be called natural. Possessing the genitalia of both males and females is akin to possessing dual and competing national allegiance. It violates the natural order of things, and therefore is decidedly unnatural. That was the view of our founding fathers who detested dual-citizenship and wouldn’t allow it.

    It is no more natural than the European Union. It’s based on economic union but without political union. How can separate sovereign states with different history, culture, and language ever be a uniform union with central control? It’s impossible. Just as it’s impossible for a dual or quadruple citizen to be a natural member of his parents competing nationalities, -especially if they are both dual citizens from four separate nations.
    The word “natural” has no connection to such a man-made mish-mash concoction of a political nature. It’s as natural as saccharin and margarine. Calling saccharin “sugar” or margarine “butter” does not make them so. And similarly, calling a legal man-made native-born citizen a “natural born citizen” does not make one so either.
    Bottom line is that Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Obama, aka Barack Obama is no more a natural born American citizen than an artificial flower is a real flower, or Kool-Aid is real fruit juice, or counterfeit bills are real currency, or a female impersonator, or a transsexual is a natural female.
    What’s real and produced naturally is what is natural. Man-made things, and man-made citizenship are not the real-deal, even though they may appear just as genuine as does a counterfeit Gucci bag, Rolex watch, Armani suit, driver’s license, or birth certificate.
    Suppose that a counterfeiter got a hold of real Treasury-printed $100 bills but only one side was printed. If he counterfeit-printed the other side, what would the bill be? Completely real or completely fake? Neither, of course, because it would be a combination of the two, a hybrid.

    So it is with dual citizenship, one is not a genuine 100% member of either nationality because one is 50-50, half & half. Only real natural citizenship can pass the test of presidential eligibility. That’s a test that Obama’s citizenship fails, and his presidency is therefore illegitimate.

    One could say that it’s a bastard presidency because it’s not sanctioned & sanctified by the officiating authority of the United States Constitution. Even the unjustified and unconstitutional benediction of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who incompetently administered the oath of office can make a bastard presidency legitimate.


    by A.R. Nash May 2012.

  46. Rosemary Woodhouse

    @CitizenWells- I happen to know the *itches who had him fired from one of his his gigs a few short years ago. No need to post location. If you’re friends with Katz YOU know the incident I’m talking about. There’s a whole cadre of people I’ve disassociated with because of their Alinksy like tactics. One was, until recently, a former liberal democrat who now poses as a an uber conservative. Not that is has anything to do with it, but she is ugly as sin. Ugly is a s ugly does, after all. And what she led her groupies to do to Katz was ugly!.

  47. Whistleblower


    The Feds did not want credible witnesses. Frawley was never going to testify. Not because he was not credible, because he knew to much. The Feds were not interested in taking down the bad guys. It was about clearing
    the way.

  48. citizenwells

    I know.

  49. Good Morning folks,

    Happy Mothers Day to all

  50. citizenwells

    Good morning.
    Happy Mothers Day.

  51. Free Speech

    A problem with assassination orders is that the magic bullets have a way of ricocheting back to the shooters. One theory about the John F. Kennedy assassination is that he and his brother Robert, courtesy of Operation Mongoose, tried to kill Fidel Castro at least eight times, so the Cuban leader repaid their flattery in kind.

    In dancing on bin Laden’s watery grave, the Obama administration would like its constituents and potential voters to believe that the problems in the world can be solved with a few well-placed head shots.

    It even convinced Clinton to narrate an Osama snuff film for a campaign spot, implying that Mitt Romney might let down “the family” if asked to protect its honor.

    Taking ambushes prime time has risks. Since the 19th century, assassination has also been the great equalizer of fifth columnists, anarchists, irredentists and the disenfranchised, who have gone after such political leaders as Czar Alexander II, William McKinley, Franz Ferdinand, Robert F. Kennedy, Anwar Sadat, Indira Gandhi, Yitzhak Rabin and Benazir Bhutto. In some cases, it was to even the score.

    Another reason for the Obama administration to check its rearview mirror is that international law could take a dim view of these fly-by-wire killings and invite U.S. officials to The Hague to explain why civilians keep getting killed at the push of Game Boy buttons.

    U.S. leaders claim immunity from the International Criminal Court, because as a superpower, they’ve been on the winning side. The Hague is for losers — Balkan warlords or African potentates. President Dwight Eisenhower, however, knew the killing coin had two sides. He confessed: “I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.”

    Read more:

  52. Free Speech

  53. Interested Bystander

    Good morning all,

    Happy Mother’s Day.

    Two days and I see no answers to my question about the Constitution.

    I guess when you can’t answer, you just simply ignore the question.

  54. Free Speech

    The public campaign to impeach the con artist President Barack Obama is a call to action not against one man alone, but against a political system of evil that masks its injustices by propagating official myths and censoring information that would change the destiny of humanity if released to the global general public.

    Regardless of Republican or Democrat, white or black, man or woman, straight or gay, young or old, the Office of the Presidency will remain a dictatorship of the oligarchs and corporations as long as the American people don’t reassert their power, their sovereignty, their conscience, and their rights.

    Impeaching President Obama would be step one in a long and chaotic transformation. This is not a left or right issue. It is a constitutional issue.

    President Barack Obama, as the spokesman for the dictatorship of the banksters, is the voice of the dark side. Impeaching him would send a clear message to the mass murderers and state terrorists who hijacked Washington that the age of complicity, stupidity, and apathy is over.

    Impeach Obama 2012! Join The National Campaign!

  55. Free Speech

    The president is falsely taking credit for finally bringing Iraq to a close—a war actually ended by the Bush administration back in 2008.

  56. Free Speech

  57. Happy Mother’s Day to everyone.

    IB don’t know what you are talking about if you are talking to me.

  58. Free Speech

  59. IB,

    Brought this over from last thread to give those accusing me of being a “liberal” a chance to inform me what Article of the Constitution allows for the FEDERAL Government to make a law regarding drugs?


    If you are talking to me, I never accused you of being a liberal, IB. I said many positions libertarians take are similar to liberal positions. They have the same result no matter the guiding principles such as your filthy zeal for porn.

  60. Free Speech

    If Gov Johnson can combine the Anti-War, Anti-bo Blacks and Young People in his campaign, he could doom bo’s chance of re-election.

  61. Free Speech

    He is making a clear play for independents, the mythical 40 percent of Americans who swear allegiance to no party and allegedly decide every major election. In a country where we have been trained to believe that the full history of Western political philosophy can be compressed into a Sean Hannity vs. Al Sharpton cage match, Johnson could be an attractive alternative for the disillusioned and disgusted.

  62. Free Speech

    Once word gets out about where Gov Johnson stands on the issues, I expect that he will rise in the polls dramatically with most of his support coming from dissatisfied former bo supporters.

    So where does Gary Johnson fit in on the issues as compared to public opinion?

    Take a look for yourself…

    77% of the American people support the legalization of medical marijuana.
    So does Gary Johnson. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney don’t want patients to have that option.

    75% of the American people think the defense budget should be cut.
    So does Gary Johnson. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both want to spend more.

    74% of the American people want the Federal budget balanced.
    So does Gary Johnson. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, not so much.

    72% of the American people think we’re spending too much money on foreign aid.
    So does Gary Johnson. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney want to keep spending.

    66% of the American people now oppose the war in Afghanistan.
    So does Gary Johnson. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both want to stay.

    65% of the American people think we should be involved in far fewer military interventions overseas.
    So does Gary Johnson. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are happy to send our troops out.

    50% of the American people favor legalizing marijuana.
    So does Gary Johnson. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney want to continue the drug war.

    50% of the American people favor marriage equality.
    So does Gary Johnson. Barack Obama is a recent convert; Mitt Romney isn’t.

  63. I.B.,

    With my new job, I rarely get a change to post. However, I did read your post and completely agreed with it, therefore I didn’t respond. I do support your constitutional point of view.

  64. Good Morning All and Happy Mother’s Day; Citizen Wells, Frawley makes Stuart Levine look like Prince Charles…he is a violent, racist, anti semite, theif, thug who has taken on a Fagin like character role of his family…He is a creep far worse than Levine

  65. F.S.,

    I guess I personally fall within the minority bracket as I absolutely do not support the legalization of medical marijuana nor marijuana for any other use.

  66. Free Speech

  67. Free Speech

    You don’t have to agree with Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson to appreciate the fact that Gov Johnson will take votes away from bo. Anyone who does not favor Gov Johnson taking votes from bo is obviously a demRat Obot.

  68. Whistleblower


    The feds had a long list of credible witnesses that they were not going to let near the witness stand. This whole dog and pony show had nothing to do with getting to the truth, it was about suppressing the truth.

  69. I agree that the feds were/are suppressing the truth, they gathered a lot of criminal evidence in this operation…When they picked up Frawley he started acting as an informant immediately, they had no idea who he really was and his history and severity of his metal illness…They even tried to cover it up by saying it was his acting as an informant that gave him PTSD, covering their tracks…Trust me on this, I know, he is an expert story teller and con man but his stories don’t alway’s hold water like: his fbi handeler not being able to get recording devises past building security???REALLY??? Do you honestly believe that an agent for the fbi couldn’t get a couple recorders past building security???
    I have no doubt of Obama’s guilt, his intimate corrupt relationship with Tony Rezko and that Frawley probably witnessed a lot of it…However I don’t believe that the fbi/US Attorney’s are the idiot chumps and Frawley is the clever spy his is trying to paint himself to be…IF you knew Frawley you would know that this is just another one of his fairy tales.

  70. Whistleblower

    It’s not about Frawley. He is just one of a long list. Perhaps you would rather talk about Bernard Barton or countless others that can’t be laid at Frawley’s feet. As for FBI and US Attorney’s, go back and review history here.

  71. I have alway’s been in agreement on this issue, the feds have gathered plenty of evidence by countless infromants…I was just refering to the Frawley emails at IP2P…as far as the fbi/’s history, I am well studied.

  72. Newsweek: Obama ‘First Gay President’

    Today, Newsweek magazine released this week’s cover via Twitter: a hopey, changey Barack Obama staring into the future, his head swirled with a rainbow halo. The bold font title: “THE FIRST GAY PRESIDENT.” And the cover story is written by none other than Andrew Sullivan, famed Trig Palin truther (he believes the bizarre conspiracy theory that Trig Palin is actually Bristol Palin’s son rather than Sarah Palin’s). The last time we saw Sullivan writing a cover story for Newsweek, he was asking “Why Are Obama’s Critics So Dumb?”

  73. Whistleblower

    Read Frawley’s emails through the prism of hind sight and not Frawley.

  74. Interested Bystander

    William commented:

    “I guess I personally fall within the minority bracket as I absolutely do not support the legalization of medical marijuana nor marijuana for any other use.”

    I would agree with your comment William, but then I look at the Consititution to see under what Article or Amendment we can regulate drugs Federally, and I simply can’t find any.

    But then there’s that pesky 10th Amendment that gives STATES powers to regulate the things that isn’t covered in the Constitution, and I have my answer.

    It should be decided by the people of the several STATES, and NOT the FEDERAL Government.

    Tina and others simply don’t “get it”. The Constitution was ratified so that the several States had one voice in a number of areas, but they are NATIONAL areas such as foriegn affairs, monetary policy, National defense (to include an Interstate Highway system), and a post office.

    The several States are supposed to be like 50 separate COUNTRIES who have one voice in the above mentioned areas.

    Marriage, drugs, porn, health care, education, food quality, environmental issues, and many other issues would be much better if the States were allowed to regulate them.

    The Nationalization of these issues has been the downfall of our Country. The Government wasn’t set up by the Founders to do these things. THAT’s why they are such a disaster.

  75. Free Speech

    observer | May 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm |

    Newsweek: Obama ‘First Gay President’
    For once the Truth about bo from Newsweek.

  76. Whistleblower; trust me I do, I just wanted you to know that he is not the ‘hero’ he is trying to portray himself to be.

  77. Whistleblower

    Understood, that said, wouldn’t it be nice to hear more about history such as Gene Murphy’s documented exit from Bryan Cave and his representation of Buddy Wilkins. Does anyone really think the Sun Times and Trib are interested in reporting the truth ?

  78. coldwarvet2

    I was at another blog recently and a thought materialized that has been gestating for a while now. What I am refering to has to do with what has become of our electoral process and how that knowledge has affected the electorate as a whole.
    A bit of perspective, in that the electoral process is one that is indiginously civil in nature. Who owns these voting machines anyway? Who owns the “means” by which WE choose our representatives in our representative form of government? (rhetorical question)…of course, WE do. How then, has the means, which WE own, been given the ILLUSION of being controlled by those that would have US believe that THEY own the means by which WE make OUR choices? (not a rhetorical question)…
    When entertaining a means by which to attack our oppressors, it might be well to properly identify exactly who those oppressors are, and by what, and how much, authority they are controlling OUR processes. Could this be what Joe Stalin was referring to when he said, “he who “counts” the votes, controls the outcome”. If that process is “controlled” by the government,, then it would appear the “government” then, would have the “means” by which to control the outcome. The (not rhetorical) question then becomes, how do we go about taking back the means, to which we are entitled by law, to control our own outcomes? Do we not have the “right” to say “we do not want voting machines? Or, we DO want paper ballots and a paper trail that will verify the outcomes of our elections. We do not want ballots counted in secret. Our county, or parrish, governments are running our electoral process. They are who receive our votes. Where are OUR representatives when we say we no longer trust our government in these matters? We supposedly have a much more direct access to these particular people and, I believe, we should be talking to them, as our individual votes, do indeed, make a difference to them.

  79. Romney Says He’s ‘Fine’ With Gay Couples Adopting Children -The Face of the New RNC

    I am really sorry, but to me this is TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE.
    Under not circumstances should a underage child be exposed to this.

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said on Thursday that while he opposes same-sex marriage, he is “fine” with gay couples adopting children. The presumptive nominee also declined to criticize President Obama’s reversal on the issue, saying he would “respect the right of the president to reach the conclusion he has.”

    In his most detailed comments to date on the issue of civil rights for gay people, Romney told Fox News host Neil Cavuto, “I know many gay couples that are able to adopt children. That’s fine. But my preference is that we … continue to define marriage as the relationship between a man and a woman.”

    The statement seemed to put Romney in the position of condoning same-sex families with children as long as the parents do not marry.

    I just do NOT see how Lifelong Republicans like myself can vote for this guy?

  80. bob strauss

    observer | May 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm |

    Newsweek: Obama ‘First Gay President’
    Obama `First Gay Muslim President`

    The liar in chief is coming out of the closet, or I should say, is being forced out of the closet.

  81. bob strauss

    Obama Offered Former Pastor $150,000 To Stay Quiet During 2008 Campaign (Click Here to Read)

  82. Leaked! GOP Memo on Gay Marriage

    Current Events
    Will The GOP soon endorse Equal Marriage Rights For Gay Citizens?

  83. seaque | May 13, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    Romney Says He’s ‘Fine’ With Gay Couples Adopting Children -The Face of the New RNC

    I am really sorry, but to me this is TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE.
    Under not circumstances should a underage child be exposed to this.
    Seaque, although I don’t personally agree with your enthusiasm over Rep. Paul’s candidacy, this above post of yours is one I’m in FULL agreement with!
    The RADICAL homosexual movement – and that is exactly what is behind this – has fought for the right to adopt children into a home where a perverse lifestyle is practiced. Children are being conditioned in school to accept two mommies or two daddies. This is all about furthering the homosexual agenda by those who are not satisfied to be quiet any longer. Some want recognition and full acceptance AND they want government protection.

    Isn’t it amazing that some gays want to be able to carry on any practice they desire without interference, and yet when it comes to public promotion and acceptance they WANT government involvement! Somebody want to answer that inconsistency?

    Innocent children should NOT be subjected to this, and Gov. Romney is dead wrong in condoning adoption by gays. We are bringing further condemnation on ourselves and our country. I really am surprised that any Mormon would take that position.

  84. The Sun Times and the Trib both are overly protective of the President….remember Carol Marines report on Rezko and his connections with Obama? They did a drive by on that report too, it was the responsibility of the Chicago news outlets to vet Obama when he was a Presidential candidate in 2008 and instead they did the opposite, protecting him at every turn. What can we expect from them in the 2012 election? How long can they go on with their multiple cover-ups? When the truth comes out about Obama (and it will) I turly hope they suffer the consequences for their participation in this ‘great cover-up’.

  85. jacqlynsmith

    The email that was recently sent out about Drake is unfortunately INCORRECT.

    Drake will NOT be on the radio show tonight however Teri and Deatra will be on disseminating information about some other things.

    The announcement was incorrect and all are being notified herein that it was incorrect.

    Continue on with your normal activities.



  86. Tina and others simply don’t “get it”. The Constitution was ratified so that the several States had one voice in a number of areas, but they are NATIONAL areas such as foriegn affairs, monetary policy, National defense (to include an Interstate Highway system), and a post office.


    IB, you twist and turn words so that you misrepresent . I never said the states don’t have rights. Of course they do old dirty man. You must be smoking and drinking so much that you can’t understand. I never even mentioned the states. Go take your meds.

  87. seaque | May 13, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    Romney Says He’s ‘Fine’ With Gay Couples Adopting Children -The Face of the New RNC

    I am really sorry, but to me this is TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE.
    Under not circumstances should a underage child be exposed to this.

    Totally agree. Growing up today is hard enough even without gay parents. We have a lot of problems in the world and many can be traced to low values. People need to have some personal responsibility.

  88. Free Speech

  89. Free Speech

    A Hallmark of Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson’s Campaign is Personal Responsibility.

  90. Free Speech

    Unlike bo, Libertarian Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson does not support gay marriage.

    Governor Johnson has a libertarian viewpoint on marriage. He does not believe that government should be involved in marriage, but that it should simply hand out civil unions. From this standpoint, Governor Johnson states that he support gay rights as his view places all couples on level ground with respect to the government.

    In one 2012 interview, Governor Johnson stated that removing the government from the institute of marriage represented the freedom and liberty that the Republicans should be espousing. In another interview, Governor Johnson stated that government should get out of the marriage business and into the civil union business and leave marriage to the churches.

    Early in the 2012 presidential election, a number of candidates signed a pledge called the Family Leader Marriage Pledge. The pledge called for the candidate to remain personally faithful to a number of marriage related items from the Defense of Marriage Act to a Constitutional amendment defining marriage. Governor Johnson was highly critical of the pledge, calling it the opposite of the freedoms of liberty that Republicans are supposed to espouse.

    Governor Johnson does not specifically state that he defines marriage as between one man and one woman from a moral standpoint, but he does state that he does not support gay marriage, only civil unions.

  91. Free Speech

  92. If Ron Paul is a true leader then he needs to take control and teach his followers what R-E-S-P-E-C-T means. Romneys son did not deserve to be treated the way he was!!!!! I am begining to think that maybe his followers are really demo-rats.

  93. Free Speech

    Ginger | May 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm |

    It is obvious from the psuedo ron paul “supporters” like js, ib & seque that many of ron paul’s so-called supporters are actually bo demRats.

  94. Interested Bystander

    Tina commented:

    “IB, you twist and turn words so that you misrepresent .”

    This comment from someone who CONTINUALLY MISrepresents Ron Paul’s stance on many issues.

    Tina continually comments that RP is FOR legalization of “pot”. This is a total MISrepresentation.

    Tina continually comments that RP is “anti-Israel”. This is a total MISrepresentation.

    Tina continually comments that RP is for open borders. This is a total MISrepresentation.

    I’m not “misrepresenting” anything Tina. YOU and others continually take STATE’s issues and try to NATIONALIZE them.

    Tina continues:

    “I never said the states don’t have rights.”

    Well then quit referring to STATE issues as NATIONAL issues. Fight those issues in your STATE and leave them OUT of the NATIONAL debate.

    “Of course they do old dirty man.”

    Is “old dirty man” a personal attack Tina?

    Tina goes on:

    “You must be smoking and drinking so much that you can’t understand. I never even mentioned the states.”

    Oh I understand that you are taking STATE issues and are trying to make them NATIONAL issues. Of course you don’t mention the STATES, because YOU want all of the issues you bring up to be NATIONAL issues, which was not supposed to be the case. YOU are the one who doesn’t understand that these issues were NEVER intended to become NATIONAL issues.

    Tina concludes:

    “Go take your meds.”

    What I find most interesting is that when “some” people don’t get their way, they resort to these type of tactics. Not only was I accused of being an “old dirty man”, I was accused of smoking and drinking too much, and in this comment, Tina suggests that I need “meds” to alter my thinking.

    No argument to bolster their stance on this issues, just vilify the messenger. Where did you get THAT tactic Tina?

    When do I get an answer to my question Tina? It’s been two days, is that not enough time to read the Constitution and inform me under what Article or Amendment gives the FEDERAL Government the authority to regulate drugs, marriage, education, health care, social security or any number of other issues? How about just sticking to the drug issue. What Article or Amendment gives the Federal Government the authority to regulate drugs, whether they are “legal” or “illegal”?

    No folks, Tina doesn’t have an answer, because the answer is NONE. So here she is calling me names and suggesting that I need drugs to alter my thinking.

    I suppose if those drugs are regulated by the FEDS, Tina has no problem with them. But Tina, let me inform you of something, those drugs that are regulated by the FEDS are doing just as much damage as those that are just deemed “illegal”.

    I don’t take “meds” Tina, I read the Constitution to make my arguments.

    Now if you don’t mind, try answering the question and quit vilifying the questioner.

    Why do I suspect that Tina will once again suggest that I am “twisting” words instead of debating the issue with facts?

  95. Free speech, just to be on the up and up, I am not a bo dem supporter. I campaigned against barky in the last election, because I knew he was a usurper fraud, yet, nobody would listen.

    Even the GOP gave you OBarky, the GOP even has gone to great lengths again to ensure he is on every state ballot. Ask Orly, she knows all to well. The GOP told her to “GO AWAY”


    A usurper from Kenya or
    A usurper from Mexico
    Or good ol American apple pie, RON PAUL

  96. Killing one’s enemies is one solution to alleviate the problem, and no doubt, there are far too many coverups of people murdered since the 1960’s, perhaps including President JFK, but is it made too easy to do so in our society?

    Half hearted investigations, logically inconsistent rationalizations lend themselves to these outcomes, but also reveal an immoral society without integrity, and anything but civil that is somewhat beneath the humane ideal of what humans are capable of. These scars upon human society are what prevents most societies from becoming a great people, reduced as it is in their medocrity and easy out solutions that reward a cheating culture. They are substandard to an ethical people, and cannot be condoned.

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