Townhall scrubs Sheriff Joe Arpaio article by Floyd and Mary Beth Brown, Intentional censorship?, Obama Selective Service documents, 5 Orwells awarded
“Did President-elect Barack Hussein Obama commit a federal crime in September of this year? Or did he never actually register and, instead, did friends of his in the Chicago federal records center, which maintains the official copy of his alleged Selective Service registration commit the crime for him?”…Debbie Schlussel
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed
–if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into
history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the
Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past.”…George Orwell, “1984″
*** Update Below ***
From WND, World Net Daily March 5, 2012.
“TOWNHALL YANKS COLUMN ON ARPAIO’S FINDINGS”
“A popular column on Townhall.com – the self-described “leading conservative and political opinion website” – discussing Barack Obama’s eligibility to serve as president has unexplainably disappeared.
Earlier today, the column “Sheriff Joe Exposes Forgery of Obama’s Selective Service Registration” by Floyd and Mary Beth Brown of The Western Center For Journalism was Townhall.com’s most emailed and eighth most read column.
But then … it was gone.
Even after WND alerted Townhall.com’s managing editor that the column had been deleted from its site, it remained listed as “cannot be found.” And despite multiple contacts with the site’s editorial staff, no one at Townhall.com would explain to WND why the column was removed.
Floyd Brown is a regular columnist on Townhall.com, with multiple columns in the site’s archive listed for every month since 2008.
“I hope that it’s not the result of any type of intentional censorship; that would be my sincere hope,” Brown told WND of the removal of his column. “The article is obviously being well received and highly read and highly emailed by the Townhall audience, so why they would want to keep people from seeing it – that would really shock me.”
Still, Brown told WND, if it were intentional, it wouldn’t be the first time even “conservative” media has tried to sweep the story under the rug.
“I have seen conservative media be almost more diligent in censoring on the issue of Barack Obama’s eligibility,” Brown said. “Even though they criticize it on one hand, they all have a desire to be loved by mainstream media.””
““We found the most interesting information presented to have nothing to do with the Obama nativity story,” the Browns write in their vanished column, which nonetheless can be read on The Western Center for Journalism site. “Instead it had to do with the Selective Service records. Forensic document analysis proved this document was also a forgery. Intensive documentation proving that Postal indicia on the form was forged was particularly damaging, as this type of postal fraud is a federal felony.
“In the days ahead, it will be interesting to see if the mainstream media provides any coverage of the event’s allegations,” the Browns continue. “Sitting in the room we were overwhelmed by the professionalism of these sworn officers of the law. They clearly used the best experts in their investigation. Finally a legitimate law enforcement official has looked at the evidence and found, as Arpaio said, ‘probable cause that a felony has been committed.’”
The Browns also write that they agree with Arpaio’s claim that the mainstream media has been more interested in ridiculing the story than covering it.
“Having just attended Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s ‘Cold Case Posse’ news conference in Phoenix, Arizona,” the Browns write, “we candidly admit we have never seen a greater example of raw media bias in our 30 years of watching the fourth estate.”
They conclude, “Citizens are still daring to ask questions about Obama. And by doing it you face certain ridicule, name calling and being treated as children. Even when you may be asking legitimate questions, which have been routinely asked of presidential candidates in the past or have been asked of Republican candidates this year, you are censured.”
But whether the Browns merely face “censure” or “censor” for their column remains to be seen.”
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/townhall-yanks-column-on-arpaios-findings/
A search on this:
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Yields:
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Clicking on the Townhall link yields:
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An appropriate exerpt from “1984 ” by George Orwell:
“As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any partiucular number of the Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in it’s stead. This process of continuation alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound tracks, cartoons, photographs–to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to be correct; nor was any item of news, or expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to be on record.”
Deservedly, 5 Orwells for TownHall.
*** Update ***
From commenter GORDO.
Submitted on 2012/03/06 at 10:30 am
“Just did a search for ‘Arpaio’ at townhall.com. Townhall keeps the AP article critical of Arpaio and protects Obama with the usual nonsense we’ve all read countless times.
http://townhall.com/search2.aspx?SearchWord=arpaio&q=arpaio&SearchSection=all&cx=partner-pub-9450655209824617:ykuecd6vpv2&cof=FORID:10&sa=Search
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“Sheriff Joe Arpaio Exposes Forgery of Obama’s Selective Service”
“1 day ago … Having just attended Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse” news conference in Phoenix, Arizona, we candidly admit we have never seen a …”
links to:
“The page you requested cannot be found. The page you requested cannot be found.
We are sorry for the inconvenience.
Please visit Townhall.com’s homepage for a full listing of what’s online”
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“Arizona sheriff unveils Obama birth probe”
“4 days ago … Arpaio on Thursday unveiled preliminary results of an investigation, conducted by members of his volunteer cold-case posse, into the …”
links to:
http://townhall.com/news/us/2012/03/02/arpaio_investigates_obamas_birth_certificate/page/full/
“Arizona sheriff unveils Obama birth probe”
APNews
Mar 02, 2012
“America’s self-proclaimed toughest sheriff finds himself entangled these days in his own thorny legal troubles: a federal grand jury probe over alleged abuse of power, Justice Department accusations of racial profiling and revelations that his department didn’t adequately investigate hundreds of Arizona sex-crime cases.
Rather than seek cover, though, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is seeking to grab the spotlight in the same unorthodox fashion that has helped boost his career as a nationally known lawman.
…
Some critics suggest Arpaio’s aim is to divert attention from his own legal troubles while raising his political profile as he seeks a sixth term this year. The sheriff vehemently denies such strategies are in play.
…
Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama’s citizenship, and Obama released a copy of his long-form birth certificate in April in an attempt to quell citizenship questions. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue. Of late, the president’s re-election campaign has poked fun at it, selling coffee cups with a picture of the president’s birth record.”
Citizen WElls 
Directions from Phoenix, Arizona to USURPERVILLE
Go west till you smell it.
Then due north till you step in it!!
Sorry – GO EAST TO YOU SMELL IT.
Too early.
CitizenWells,
Everything concerning government is a faccade, like a movie set there is face but under it is a whole other world that truly resembles nothing that is ‘shown’. The media and the government are in bed together, facts no longer matter and a full court press to surpress the truth is in progress. Why? The investigation was garbage, just attack the facts and the conclusions. Yet, we don’t see them attack the facts, or even try to uncover them, but just hide information from people. They believe truth is to much for the ‘little people’ to handle. I believe us ‘little people’ (those whom pay taxes, follow the laws, take account when we make mistakes) are capable of dealing with the truth. Criminals and vermin hide from the light, not the hard working every day person. Lawyers, lawyering up, doesn’t help the public with the truth, as you have so eloquently stated.
Pete
CW, sent you a couple of emails. Maybe you can use the material for educational purposes.
Just did a search for ‘Arpaio’ at townhall.com. Townhall keeps the AP article critical of Arpaio and protects Obama with the usual nonsense we’ve all read countless times.
http://townhall.com/search2.aspx?SearchWord=arpaio&q=arpaio&SearchSection=all&cx=partner-pub-9450655209824617:ykuecd6vpv2&cof=FORID:10&sa=Search
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“Sheriff Joe Arpaio Exposes Forgery of Obama’s Selective Service”
“1 day ago … Having just attended Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse” news conference in Phoenix, Arizona, we candidly admit we have never seen a …”
links to:
http://townhall.com/columnists/floydandmarybethbrown/2012/03/04/sheriff_joe_arpaio_exposes_forgery_of_obamas_selective_service_registration
“The page you requested cannot be found. The page you requested cannot be found.
We are sorry for the inconvenience.
Please visit Townhall.com’s homepage for a full listing of what’s online”
==========
“Arizona sheriff unveils Obama birth probe”
“4 days ago … Arpaio on Thursday unveiled preliminary results of an investigation, conducted by members of his volunteer cold-case posse, into the …”
links to:
http://townhall.com/news/us/2012/03/02/arpaio_investigates_obamas_birth_certificate/page/full/
“Arizona sheriff unveils Obama birth probe”
APNews
Mar 02, 2012
“America’s self-proclaimed toughest sheriff finds himself entangled these days in his own thorny legal troubles: a federal grand jury probe over alleged abuse of power, Justice Department accusations of racial profiling and revelations that his department didn’t adequately investigate hundreds of Arizona sex-crime cases.
Rather than seek cover, though, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is seeking to grab the spotlight in the same unorthodox fashion that has helped boost his career as a nationally known lawman.
…
Some critics suggest Arpaio’s aim is to divert attention from his own legal troubles while raising his political profile as he seeks a sixth term this year. The sheriff vehemently denies such strategies are in play.
…
Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama’s citizenship, and Obama released a copy of his long-form birth certificate in April in an attempt to quell citizenship questions. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue. Of late, the president’s re-election campaign has poked fun at it, selling coffee cups with a picture of the president’s birth record.”
Thanks GORDO
Yesterday at American Thinker there was a article by Jack Cashill: “Time to Take a New Look at the 2008 Obama Passport Breach.” A tie to the CIA via one of the breakin culprits, i.e., John Brennan, a 25-year CIA veteran, is noted. (Another tie to the CIA is Obama having worked for Business International Corporation–BIC.) Brennan is an advisor to Obama and gave the max in personal donations to his campaign.
Rev. James Manning of Harlem (Atlah) convened a trial in which he brought out the CIA connection. An ex-NSA fellow that ms. helga has referred to has also done his homework on this.
We have a shadow government in the form of an agency with no checks and balances. Congress does not do its job of oversight and the CIA has essentially unlimited funds. It is not a valid Constitutional arm of government and tends towards a fascist socialist outlook. Most Conservatives don’t get this at all. CIA they associate with patriotism, thus “hands off.” Under the heading of “national security” the CIA literally gets away with murder.
So if a CIA rep tells the Conservative media to leave something alone in the interest of “national security,” that is what is done. That is why the Sheriff Joe Arpaio news has been scrubbed from a Conservative site.
Sun Times withholds information about Frawley’s Obama-bribe accusation
http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/03/05/sun-times-withholds-information-about-frawleys-obama-bribe-accusation/
I might mention my thesis here again. When I first brought it up before the election in 2008, I was ridiculed and scoffed at by most bloggers at various blog sites. It seemed too “far out” to be believed. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. In any case, I believe Obama is not the son of the Kenyan. He is the son of Malcolm X and Stanley Ann Dunham, born in Hawaii, thus a natural born citizen. What is being hidden is his credentials as a Muslim. He was recruited as a Muslim to work for the CIA during the Cold War. He has been playing the CIA and the whole country ever since. With the help of Leftwing radicals and the “unholy alliance” of the radical Left and Islam, he has obtained the Presidency. He favors Shia Islam, which means Iran and the leadership of Syria.
The source for some of my information started out at an Israeli website, Insrael Insider. I believe some high up in Israeli intelligence services see Obama as a Muslim and son of Malcolm X. They can see Obama is buying time for Iran to develop nukes. At Debka File it just came out that Iran paid North Korea 55 million to conduct a dirty bomb test for them. It was successful. This came via French and German intelligence, that the test was conducted last April, almost a year ago. The US is aware of this but has said nothing, given who we have a CinC.
Sounds wild, I know.
White teenaged Malcolm X groupies, circa 1960 sounds a little far fetched.
Dean M,
Good to hear from you again! I think the more time passes, the more credible your narrative becomes. There is no question that Obama is favoring Syria and Iran. If you try to answer “Why?”, you have to face that there is a good reason and it pertains to Obama’s Muslim persuasion.
He has said repeatedly, especially at the beginning of his occupancy of the W.H., that he is a Muslim. There is a video out there that has compiled all of his references to Islam in different speeches and put them back to back. Most have seen it, I’m sure.
Furthermore, his general snubbing of Israel is in stark contrast to prior U.S. policy. Sorry to say, but if Obama’s speech at AIPAC seemed a little more tolerant towards Israel, it was for political purposes, I’m sure. It is doubtful that he will walk the talk.
Cabby and Dean,
Obama’s sphinter looked a little tight last night. It was Bibi’s show and Obama will do nothing more than appear (outwardly) to support Israel. Obama is absolutely buying time for Iran…..
Dean, your notions now make total sense.
Dean M
Speculation is one thing, but without facts it remains just that…speculation, however plausible…
As for me, I believe I will stick with Arpaio and hope to hell he doesn’t hand over his evidence to the congress. My feeling toward the congress (House), whether or not controlled by the Right, is that they will simply give the issue a little publicity, then bury it. Arpaio has irrefutable evidence, and is a magnum-class threat to, not only the Whitehouse (Obama), but to the entire Chicago machine that put him there. Who knows really, where this investigation will lead. He may unknowingly be threatening the entire poitical establishment. How about that for some far-reaching speculation…
I see Arpaio presently, as the champion of the middle class, which would need to be neutralized for this communist/fascist conspiracy to succeed. They (the middle class) will rally around him in a second, for they see him as one of them.
You need look no further than the rise of Lenin and communism in Russia to see what is happening with the press. In fact, I see every single step in the Bolchevik Revolution being played out right before our eyes. Obama may well be a Muslim, but if he is, he sees himself as Lenin, is an Islamo-communist, and could never have gotten to where he is without sufficient conspiratorial help.
Additionally, Arpaio is no fool. He’s been in law enforcement for 50 years. That means he not only knows the law, but the politics of the law.I think he knows exactly where he stands, on and in, this issue and what is at stake. Like so many of us now, he’s beginning to see that Senator McCarthy was right, so many years ago.
Please spread the word. Allen needs lots of support. Given Sheriff’s Arpaio’s report, Obama CANNOT be placed on Arizona’s ballot.
http://obamaballotchallenge.com/hearing-tomorrow-afternoon-tucson-arizona-regarding-obama-ballot-challenge
Very interesting Whistleblower…Not that we ever had any doubt the SunTimes and the Trib were holding back on vetting Obama, it’s sure nice to get confirmation. Look out for the SunTimes going after the Rahm Emanuel & Obama agenda, promoting their politics and going after their enemies.
you know what would be a good thing to do is a money bomb for sherrif joe, I just sent him $50 but would be happy to take part in something more to show gratitude for what he has/is done
Dean M. | March 6, 2012 at 11:16 am |
I might mention my thesis here again. When I first brought it up before the election in 2008, I was ridiculed and scoffed at by most bloggers at various blog sites. It seemed too “far out” to be believed. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. In any case, I believe Obama is not the son of the Kenyan. He is the son of Malcolm X and Stanley Ann Dunham, born in Hawaii, thus a natural born citizen.
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Well, there is a strong probability for the X connection and I’ve surmised such for quite a while…..but…..with the implied discovery by Sheriff Joe’s posse, I think there is also a good probability for being born elsewhere….and therefore possibly Kenya. My reason for that is that X could not have his precious “purity” image smeared by such an alliance with such a woman. After all he left the Nation of Islam because: One reason for the separation was growing tension between Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad because of Malcolm X’s dismay about rumors of Muhammad’s extramarital affairs with young secretaries, actions that were against the teachings of the Nation.
So not only did Stanley have to find someone else to cover the legend but, by actually going far away and directing attention as far from Malcolm and his territory as possible they wouldn’t get in trouble with that crowd. And with such a man as Obama sr. it wasn’t hard to do with a little pay off. And since she had a background, with parents too, of CIA affiliation, who knows who else helped hide the real facts. Who at the wave of a finger can immediately get every and all records scrubbed?
So there is no existing bc for the U.S. If there was it would be far easier to simply scrub unwanted info and at least present all the rest of a legitimate form instead of having to create from scratch a whole new electronic form. And even with the actual two citizen parents they screwed up the other part of the equation…and this had to continue for the sake of the Malcolm legend/image. They must say “zero” is eligible because of the place (HI) of his birth RATHER than the parentage because they knew that would be more convincing to the ignorant public at large. The public would more than likely doubt eligibility IF they knew of a birth on another continent. Also they wish to work with a citizenship from birth in HI to counter the Indonesian citizenship, hoping that people would think he wouldn’t necessarily give up that original citizenship just by an adoption because they don’t understand the finer points. Therefore, from the very beginning there has been the need to hide the true facts about his past. I doubt if he, Obama, even learned the truth before he wound up at Columbia, in Malcolm’s territory and the territory of Percy Sutton, Malcolm’s atty. Why would Sutton take such an interest in this guy, Barack, otherwise???
hockeyfan530 | March 6, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
you know what would be a good thing to do is a money bomb for sherrif joe, I just sent him $50 but would be happy to take part in something more to show gratitude for what he has/is done
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Can you provide the link? I would like to do the same.
The X plus Stanley Ann natural-born citizen argument fizzles now
when we find that natural-born status must be uninterupted from
birth to election (POTUS or VPOTUS).
Interuptions can be attending school in Indonesia where only citizens
may attend (renouncing US citizenship), and adoption by foreign
parent(s).
Obama succeeded in doing both, so if he ever was natural-born he
has not been for decades.
Bessie
I believe Rahm is now editor.
i donated here:
https://www.icontribute.us/avfund/initiative/joepac
Cool……first it was Santorum’s nephew…..now check this out……
Mitt Romney Relative Now Volunteering Inside Ron Paul Boise, Idaho Headquarters
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/03/05/mitt-romney-relative-now-volunteering-inside-ron-paul-boise-idaho-headquarters/
NBC_Vic_Hern | March 6, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
The X plus Stanley Ann natural-born citizen argument fizzles now
when we find that natural-born status must be uninterupted from
birth to election (POTUS or VPOTUS).
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Yep..even if that combination came to light. And even before the Indonesian adoption there is the likelihood of the birth outside the U.S., possibly Kenya (as Arpaio said…we don’t even know if he was born in the U.S.) which, even in reality with two citizen parents, he is disqualified in a couple of ways. Unfortunately today we’re ruled by mob wishes rather than the Constitution.
I would bet also that even if Obama got defeated for another term he wouldn’t be stopped. He would simply continue using the Occupy/Union/globalists to overthrow….and perhaps even move on to some kind of UN position of power and attack the U.S. sovereignty from there….based on “benevolent, spread the wealth around the world” new emperor’s clothes. Once a shake down artist and street agitator always one.
Cabby – AZ, Katie, coldwarvet, observer, & other friends–I could be wrong, but I believe what they (Obama, CIA et al) are trying to conceal with the forged birth certificate is Obama’s real name at birth–Bari Shabazz. Malcolm’s Muslim name was Malik Shabazz.
Malcolm went to Seattle in 1960 to found a mosque for the Black Muslims. He later became mainline Sunni after his visit to Mecca. His connection to Barack Obama, Sr. may have been through Tom Mboya of Kenya who worked for the CIA. He was Obama Sr.’s sponsor at the U. of Hawaii.
Obama Sr. I believe married Stanley Ann to extend his visa in Hawaii in return for providing legitimate status for Stanley Ann and her son. A few years later a divorce was effected and she married Lolo Soetoro so Bari Shabazz–Obama Jr.,–became Barry Soetoro.
Ha anyone read the Chris Garvey NY Elections board paper work . Says Mit, obama, and rick are all not ellgible…
Whistleblower; I believe you’re right, I am canceling my subscription…Who needs these two papers any more??? Any new’s organization that refuses to report on this administrations debacles will not get my viewing.
Dean M
O.K. Dean, assuming you are correct, and Obama is Shabazz, how do you see things as being any different? I would think the black community would think this would make Obama even blacker and more acceptable from the simple standpoint of ethnicity if nothing else. I don’t believe it would matter at all to the left. So how, then, would this change things from your point of view?
coldwarvet
It would be evidence of subterfuge. So the question would be, how far does the suberfuge go? Obama would be President under false pretences. Where does his loyalty really lie? If he is using subterfuge to obtain the Presidency, what is his true motivation? If he was recruited by the CIA because of his Muslim credentials, is he now using his CIA credentials to aid the Muslim jihadist cause?
Would Americans trust a man who would lie, conceal his name and true identity as a Muslim, to be President? Everything now points to his favoring the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran and the leadership of Syria, while overthrowing Muslim leaders in cooperation with the US. He should be forced to resign or be impeached for fraud and other high crimes. If what I am saying is correct, it would change things drastically.
DeanM
I doubt seriously if the true birth certificate (if there even is one) would confirm his religion as being Muslim. It might confirm his being a NBC however, as Malcolm’s parents were born here.
The CIA connection will be difficult to prove, although I suppose it could be done somehow.
Subterfuge would be a possibility, as there would be the subject of using a false name in an election, although it would more likely be construed as fraud, and he’s already under investigation for that.
As far as Americans trusting a man using a bogus birth record…? I would say, well, we could rule out the left entirely…the just don’t really care. There will be no support from the MSM “ministry of propaganda”, therefore, as always, it will come as a great surprise to congress as well, should it ever get that far. They have already proven that they are in cover up mode.
That would leave conservative Americans and they are already up in arms over what is already on the table.
In summation, I see Americans being duped as I speak, and I doubt that there would be a significant change in their collective indignation on either side of the issue. I suppose it would depend on what your definition of “American” would be. Don’t forget, there is a movement afoot to change that very thing.
For now, I think, I will stick with Arpaio. But it would be very interesting if your theory were to somehow materialize.
kingtbone | March 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
Ha anyone read the Chris Garvey NY Elections board paper work . Says Mit, obama, and rick are all not ellgible…
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Ron Paul is the only LEGITIMATE candidate that has a snowball’s chance in hell to restore America and our republic…..all these other yahoo’s are FRAUD’s working for the ZIONIST NWO puppet master…….too bad so many here are still in the dark ages! Get a clue people….there is only ONE man we can trust and that is why the media is ignoring and hiding his message! Time to WAKE UP FOLKS!
Going to delegate training tonight at Ron Paul headquarters and then off to our county convention on Saturday to vote for RON PAUL again…….hope to be a delegate to the state convention in Sparks…May 5-6! Anyone else here doing their part to get Ron the nomination???