UNC tuition hikes, University of NC System raises tuition costs in dismal economy, Working students and families pay other’s tuition, Income redistribution

UNC tuition hikes, University of NC System raises tuition costs in dismal economy, Working students and families pay other’s tuition, Income redistribution

“Guilford (Large NC County) appears on it’s way to a third consecutive year with annual jobless rates in double digits. Economists say that likely hasn’t happened since the Great Depression.”…Greensboro News Record December 2, 2011

“…and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them.”…Margaret Thatcher

A teachable moment.

Once again the Greensboro News Record has placed articles about the dismal jobs situation and economy in Guilford county and NC on the front page with  UNC, University of North Carolina University System tuition hikes. I congratulate them for that.

From the Greensboro News record February 11, 2012.

“Amid chants of protest from about 100 students, the UNC Board of Governors this morning approved President Tom Ross’ proposal for tuition and
fee hikes over the next two years.

Ross’ plan would raise tuition by an average of 8.8 percent across the system and keeps increases below 10 percent on every campus.

UNCG’s in-state undergraduates would see a $423, or 7.5 percent, increase in tuition and fees under Ross’ plan. Trustees had sought an increase of 7.8
percent.

N.C. A&T undergraduates from North Carolina would see an 8.4 percent, or $385, increase.

Ross’ plan also sets tuition increases for 2013-14. Tuition for UNCG resident undergraduates would increase $153, or 2.5 percent. Those at A&T would see an
increase of $200, or 4 percent.

Students from campuses across the state packed the lobby of the General Administration Building, showing their discontent over the hikes by carrying signs that, drawing on the Occupy movement, declared the board of governors as the one percent; beating drums and chanting throughout the entire meeting. They marched from the UNC-Chapel Hill campus and were met by police officers, who explained there was no capacity for all of them in the meeting room.

“We’re trying to take part in the governance of the university!” they yelled in response.

“Our university!”

“No justice! No peace!”

When David Young, chairman of the board’s budget and finance committee, sought a motion to vote, a group of students inside the meeting room interrupted, chanting in part, “Your tuition hikes will shackle students with years of debt and force many to drop out of UNC system schools!”

When board members turned to discussing what percentage of tuition dollars should support needy college students, protesters in the lobby could be heard
shouting, “We want financial aid!”

Today’s vote caps months of intense debate over tuition, which the system has used in recent years to help make up for legislative cuts to its budget. The
hikes have forced more students to take on extra jobs to pay for school, or drop out altogether.”

http://www.news-record.com/content/2012/02/10/article/amid_protests_unc_system_approves_tuition_fees_hikes

From the print edition:

“The state mandates that at least 25 percent of the money from the tuition dollars go toward financial aid for needy students. Some board members recently have spoken out about that requirement, saying it essentially calls for students, who themselves may be struggling, to subsidize the education of other students.”

The teachable moment.

To the students, working families struggling to pay tuition:

Most people do not fit neatly into boxes that define Republican, Democrat, Independent, Conservative, Liberal, etc. The only tag I accept for myself is
fiscal conservative. I also believe in the US Constitution as the rule of law. At the end of the day it is all that we have to protect you and me.

I promise you, as a fiscal conservative that I am more concerned about your condition in life than the many politicians or liberals spewing platitudes about
educational concerns.

Some observations about the UNC tuition hikes:

I have watched some of these schools spending like drunken sailors for years, apparently not anticipating or properly reacting to the downturn in the
economy.

Colleges in NC and elsewhere spend other people’s money. As Margaret Thatcher stated: “They [socialists] always run out of other people’s money.”

These “educators” are supposed to be educating our young people. What kind of message does this send?

Welcome to the world of socialism, redistribution of wealth. In a way I am glad this is happening. A real world example of taking from the “rich” and giving to the “poor.”

I am on the side of the students. Not because they have a right to a college education, but because as responsible citizens we should endeavor to keep costs down and subsequently teach the ultimate lesson about survival and what bad government and socialist policys yield.

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90 responses to “UNC tuition hikes, University of NC System raises tuition costs in dismal economy, Working students and families pay other’s tuition, Income redistribution

  1. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    oldsalt79 | February 12, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    On the news this morning was a nice little morsel……….I think that everybody will be really happy to learn that the cost of food rose two and one half percent over the last 6 months. Average checkout for a family of 4 in NY or LA averages $350.00. And you are damned lucky to see 350.00. Up in alaska and the Pacific Northwest the same amount of groceries will be in excess of $400.00.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    oldsalt79 – I just did an “Alaska wikipedia” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska) and I see that a legal resident gets a state income from a special fund that can be as high as “$3,269.00 in 2008”.
    I think we all should move to Alaska!!

  2. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Does anyone here listen to Coastocoastam radio? Last night they interviewed Susan Lindauer – ex CIA and 2nd cousin to Andrew Card.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/lindauer/

  3. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Moderation must be asleep at the switch!!

  4. Duh , ya think?

    “People who start screaming that a brokered convention is the worst thing that could happen to the G.O.P., they have an agenda,” Ms. Palin said in an interview. “They have their own personal or political reasons, their own candidate who they would like to see protected away from a brokered convention.”
    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/sarah-palin/2012/02/11/palin-floats-brokered-convention#ixzz1mAwke8tC

    Note to Sarah Palin. please stop embarrassing yourself. You lost in 2008, go home.

  5. Nice.

    Here in California students are rioting and being pepper sprayed protesting tuittion hikes yet Glorious Leader Governor Jerry Brown sees fit to blow our dwindling tax revenues from our dying economy to send illegal aliens to those very same colleges.

    Obama’s America.

  6. Help!

    Thanx.

    Morning All!

  7. Nice.

    Here in California students are rioting and being pepper sprayed protesting rising tuition hikes yet Glorious Leader Governor Jerry Brown sees fit to blow our dwindling tax revenues from our dying economy (via California’s DREAM Act) to send illegal aliens to those very same colleges.

    Obama’s America.

  8. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Pat
    There was an article on Drudge yesterday suggesting Jeb Bush in a brokered convention. Florida is a big electoral college vote state. They keep mentioning Rubio and HE IS NOT NBC.

  9. Could this be the reason Brian Kemp, Secretary of State for Georgia put Obama on the ballot in Georgia?

    The United States’ first new nuclear power plant in a generation has won approval after federal regulators voted on Thursday to grant a license for two new reactors at a site in eastern Georgia.

    Atlanta’s Southern Co hopes to begin operating the $14 billion reactors at its Vogtle site, south of Augusta, as soon as 2016. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) approved the company’s plans on a 4-1 vote.

    The NRC last approved construction of a nuclear plant in 1978, a year before a partial meltdown of the Three Mile Island nuclear plant in Pennsylvania. That accident raised fears of a radiation release and brought new reactor orders to a near halt.

    The planned reactors, along with two others in South Carolina expected to win approval in coming months, are the remnants of a once-anticipated building boom that the power industry dubbed the “nuclear renaissance”. The head of an industry lobbying group said the Vogtle project could be the start of a smaller renaissance that expands nuclear power in the United States.

    “This is a historic day,” said Marvin Fertel, president and CEO of the Nuclear Energy Institute. He said the NRC vote “sounds a clarion call to the world that the United States recognizes the importance of expanding nuclear energy as a key component of a low-carbon energy future that is central to job creation, diversity of electricity supply and energy security”.

    President Barack Obama and other proponents say greater use of nuclear power could cut the nation’s reliance on fossil fuels and create energy without producing emissions blamed for global warming. The Obama administration has offered the Vogtle project $8.3 billion in federal loan guarantees as part of its pledge to expand nuclear power.

    More than two dozen nuclear reactors have been proposed in recent years, but experts say only five or six new reactors are likely to be completed by the end of the decade.

    The once-expected nuclear power boom has been plagued by a series of problems, from the prolonged economic downturn to the sharp drop in the price of natural gas and the March 2011 nuclear disaster in Japan.

    Money talks in Georgia.

  10. rminnc.
    Interesting point.

  11. Mornin folks!

    This is great….and the picture of “his benevolentcy” is great too:

    Barack The Benevolent

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/barack-the-benevolent/

    Posted by Gateway Guest Blogger on Sunday, February 12, 2012, 12:03 AM
    By Guest Blogger Dave Carter (A contributing writer for Ricochet.com, Dave is a military retiree and currently works as a long haul truck driver)

    Day by day, measure by measure, edict by edict, directive by directive, we are losing our country. Immersed in the collectivist waters of academia, Good King Barack continues to inflict his benevolent vision upon the country regardless of the consent of the governed, the will of their elected representatives, or the Constitution he took an oath to uphold. Neither proper respect nor the rule of law constrains a man who takes it upon himself to decide when the Senate shall be in recess for purposes of unconstitutional appointments, which laws he will or will not execute, what private contracts and services he will or will not order private citizens to purchase, and what freedom of religion he will or will not allow people of faith to practice. For a guy who believes in a right to privacy, he sure meddles in our private lives a lot.

    His latest mandate, forcing religious organizations to purchase health insurance plans that include contraceptives and abortifacients in violation of the central tenets of their faith, was merely the latest in a series of assaults against the moral and legal foundations of the country he seeks to “fundamentally transform.” Faced with heavy opposition from people of faith across the political spectrum, President Obama Friday announced a “compromise” wherein he will require insurance companies to pay for these “preventive health services.” Does your copy of the Constitution authorize the President to order insurance companies to provide free contraceptive and abortifacients? I can’t seem to find it in my copy. And is it really a compromise to shift an unauthorized command from one entity, such as the church, to another?

    Meanwhile, Mrs. Good King Barack visited Little Rock Air Force Base, on Thursday, where she announced a revamping of the items that will be served at military dining halls. There will be whole grains, fruits, veggies, lean meats, low-fat dairy products and more in dining halls, vending machines, snack bars and, “…any other places where military families purchase food,” said the First Lady. So when the troops finish their PT in the morning, they can munch on some foliage like a rabbit.

    Can someone please get the Obamas on another His and Hers Jet Flight to Martha’s Vineyard? Their vacations cost a lot less of our freedom than their time on the job.

  12. I would assume that most of this has been revealed elsewhere but perhaps not comprehensively in such a report:

    http://socialismisnottheanswer.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/vital-records-indicate-obama-not-born-in-hawaii-hospital-part-1/#more-7065

    VITAL RECORDS INDICATE OBAMA NOT BORN IN HAWAII HOSPITAL (PART 1)
    Posted on February 10, 2012 | 2 Comments
    The Daily Pen

    This is part one of a three part story which will present evidence discovered within the vital records archives of the United States, Great Britain and the Prefecture of Hiroshima, Japan which shows that Barack Obama exploited the municipality of Hawaii and U.S. Vital Statistics reporting methods in order to counterfeit birth records in a criminal attempt to deceive the American people and fraudulently usurp the power of the U.S. Presidency.

    snip……As this report will show, the proof of Obama’s fraudulence resides in the domain of publicly accessible records which show that the birth registration procedures, federal vital statistics reporting methods and organizational structure of the Hawaiian municipality expose these contradictions and reveal that Obama’s Hawaiian birth is a fabrication of modern administrative processes and that his actual natal biography has been actively and intentionally obscured by present-day governmental officials.

  13. Right on:

    Archbishop Chaput blasts administration’s ‘insulting’ mandate revision

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop-chaput-blasts-administrations-insulting-mandate-revision

    Philadelphia, Pa., Feb 11, 2012 / 11:20 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Philadelphia Archbishop Charles J. Chaput rejected the Obama administration’s attempt to revise its contraception mandate, saying the rule remained “insulting” and “dangerous” to believers’ rights.

    “The HHS mandate, including its latest variant, are belligerent, unnecessary and deeply offensive to the content of Catholic belief,” he wrote in a Feb. 12 Philadelphia Inquirer column.

    “Any such mandate would make it morally compromising for us to provide health care benefits to the staffing of our public service ministries.”

    “We cannot afford to be fooled – yet again – by evasive and misleading allusions to the administration’s alleged ‘flexibility’ on such issues. The HHS mandate needs to be rescinded.”

    Archbishop Chaput published his thoughts following a Feb. 10 announcement by the administration regarding religious institutions and what the government calls “preventive services” – a category including contraception, sterilization, and abortion-causing drugs.

    A rule announced Jan. 20 required many faith-based organizations to provide insurance coverage of these drugs and devices despite their moral objections. After three weeks of protest led by the U.S. Catholic bishops, the administration announced a change to the rule on Friday.

    Under the revised rule, insurance companies would be forced to offer the “preventive services,” without a co-pay, to employees of religious ministries. The administration maintained that under the new policy, “religious organizations will not be required to subsidize the cost of contraception.”

    Several critics of the move, including Princeton Professor Robert George and Catholic University of America President John Garvey, responded by pointing out that the new rule accomplishes the same goal – forcing employers to underwrite policies covering the offensive services – by a different means.

    In his column, Archbishop Chaput highlighted this “withering criticism” of the new requirement, and said the “’accommodation’ offered by the White House did not solve the problem” of the original mandate.

    “Quite a few Catholics supported President Obama in the last election, so the ironies here are bitter,” he noted. “Many feel betrayed. They’re baffled that the Obama administration would seek to coerce Catholic employers, private and corporate, to violate their religious convictions.”

    For Philadelphia’s archbishop, however, the administration’s move comes as no surprise.

    He cited its “early shift toward the anemic language of ‘freedom of worship’ instead of the more historically-grounded and robust concept of ‘freedom of religion,’” and noted its “troubling effort to regulate religious ministers, recently rejected 9-0 by the Supreme Court in the Hosanna-Tabor case.”

    These steps, together with the 2011 termination of the U.S. bishops’ human trafficking grant over a refusal to make abortion referrals, have convinced Archbishop Chaput that the Obama White House “is – to put it generously – tone deaf to people of faith.”

    “It’s clear that such actions are developing into a pattern,” he observed.

    In this context, the archbishop indicated, Health and Human Services’ mandate did not seem like a “gaffe” or “mistake.”

    “The current administration prides itself on being measured and deliberate. The current HHS mandate needs to be understood as exactly that.”

    “It’s impossible to see this regulation as some happenstance policy. It has been too long in the making. Despite all of its public apprehension about ‘culture warriors’ on the political right in the past, the current administration has created an HHS mandate that is the embodiment of culture war.”

    “At its heart is a seemingly deep distrust of the formative role religious faith has on personal and social conduct, and a deep distaste for religion’s moral influence on public affairs. To say that this view is contrary to the Founders’ thinking and the record of American history would be an understatement.”

    “Critics may characterize my words here as partisan or political,” the archbishop acknowledged. “But it is this administration – not Catholic ministries or institutions or bishops – that chose the timing and nature of the fight.”

    The burden, he said, was on the White House, which “has the power to remove the issue from public conflict.”

    Catholics, meanwhile, “should not be misled into accepting feeble compromises on issues of principle.”

  14. Mr. Bill(ms. helga) | February 12, 2012 at 9:14 am | Pat
    There was an article on Drudge yesterday suggesting Jeb Bush in a brokered convention. Florida is a big electoral college vote state. They keep mentioning Rubio and HE IS NOT NBC.
    ———————————————————————————————–

    Bill
    I have read those reports. IMO people will be so turned off if whiners like Sarah Palin force a bokered convention, they will just stay home.

    The only way I could find it acceptable is if something really bad came out about the Nominee and he became unelectable.

    Sarah Palin and her ilk at Fox new want this top continue so they get paychecks. Chris Wallace from Fox admitted this weeks ago.

  15. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    citizenwells | February 12, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    rminnc.
    Interesting point.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    As Rush says “Follow the money trail”

    GE which owns in partnership MSNBC is BIG in nuclear power plants.

    “GE + Nuclear power plants”

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tok=EJSYTtKBuhRT8Od2XPslTA&cp=25&gs_id=2w&xhr=t&q=ge+nuclear+power+plants&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=GE+%2B+Nuclear+power+plants&aq=0C&aqi=g-C1&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=e0076bedeb17a1a3&biw=1333&bih=663

  16. new want this top

    news want this to

  17. Truthseeker……………….
    The last time Brown was governor he nearly banrupted your state. Quite a resume. It would seem that Californians would have REMEMBERED. Yet they voted him in for ANOTHER TRY.

  18. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Pat – Did you read that Palin got a big cheer yesterday at c-pac when she used the initials W-T-F??!!

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/palin-on-obama-wtf

  19. Yes, Mr. BIll….I listen to Coast to Coast radio….love it! I did listen last night….Susan….I believe whe was imprisoned under the “Patriot act” for the last 5 years….caught bits as I was falling asleep….very very interesting!

  20. This is an email I received from Orly Taitz.
    **************************************

    Update on challenges around the country

    Posted on | February 11, 2012

    a couple of my supporters filed challenges in MA and PA. So far the Secretaries of State are non-responsive. Will keep you updated.

    so far I filed challenges in NH, HI, GA, IN, LA, MS, there are ongoing cases in CA and DC. In AL Mr. Hendershott asked me to represent him. I submitted pro hac vice (request to the judge to allow an out of state attorney to represent in state client). The judge dismissed his case before ruling on my request, so I did not have an opportunity to represent him in AL.

    Other individuals filed challenges in IL, PA, CA, FL, MA, TN, AZ, TX, DC. Similar challenges are expected all over the country.

    My main concern and advice to voters: don’t limit your challenges to Article2 and Minor v Happersett, bring forward all the evidence of the Social Security fraud, forgery and elections fraud. I believe, that no judge will remove Obama from the ballot based on Minor v Hapersett only. I believe, that filing very limited cases based only on Minor, is a waste of time and money. It will take more, than that. It will take a combination of showing malfeasance, criminal behavior by Obama in conjunction with bringing forward the issue of eligibility based on his father’s foreign citizenship. The judges understand, that the citizens will not accept removal of a siting President from the ballot based on the interpretation of the Constitution only, as the reasonable question will be: why was he allowed in the WH in the first place? It will make the whole Congress culpable. Judges have hard time acknowledging culpability of one person, Obama, even when all the evidence points to it, I do not believe, they will hold the whole Congress culpable. Just as it happened in Watergate, evidence of flagrant criminality on part of the sitting President will do him in at the end. However, it is a free country and every attorney and every voter is free to do whatever he wants to do and file whatever he wants to file and has courage to tackle.

  21. Truthseeker……………..
    From what you are saying I would conclude that he might be successful this time in finishing off California. It sounds as though he is gotten off to a great start. Hope you are prepared for tax levies of 40% or more of your hard earned money. Real estate will probably hit a new high as well. My guess is that people could see tax levies of thirty dollars on every hundred dollars of assessed valuation. If your house has a market value of $150,000.00 If your state uses market value as a taxation variable then you could see taxation of about 10% per year of the market value. In the case of a $150,000.00 market value you will also pay another $15,000.00 in real estate taxes each year. Nothing like RENTING YOUR PAID FOR HOME FROM YOUR COUNTY. Gonna get really HAIRY…..soon. I think I know where there is an unoccupied cave. But I am not telling where it is. I might need to move into it myself.

  22. observer
    Great article on the Catholic Church….
    The Archbishops are supposed to be leaders. Surely they were aware, going in, that Obama represented a coming socialist thrust into America. What did they think, were he elected, was going to happen? They were not the only ones either. The Catholic Church, with their intimate ties to the European experience with socialism and it’s communist cousin should have seen this coming . By sounding the alarm earlier, they well could have prevented what we are forced to deal with now.
    To me, this whole experience has been an incredible demonstration of the effects of apathy. As any European will tell you, once communism gets a toe-hold, you will more than likely be stuck with it for a long long time for it will literally destroy your social infrastructure as it is doing right here, right now.
    The churches ARE our social infrastructure, as they were in the beginning. The United States was founded upon the need for religious freedom, as religious freedom forms the basis for all our other freedoms.
    My question to the Archbishops then is…why did you wait till now?…

  23. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    kwajcat | February 12, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    _____________________________________________

    I go all the way back to Art Bell, who by the way, when his wife died, got in a plane and flew to Manila and married the first or second girl that winked back at him. He was(is) a bird.

  24. coldwarvet.
    Yes, the Catholics, Jews & Protestants were warned in 2008 just as they were in Nazi Germany.
    Citizen Wells was one site providing warnings.
    History does repeat.
    PS-My friend Jeff Katz, formerly of WBT talk radio in Charlotte was providing warnings as well.
    The station removed him for being “too controversial.”

  25. CW
    …when they came for the Jews…no one spoke for them…
    …when they came fo the Catholics…no one spoke for them…
    …when they came for the Protestants…no one spoke for them…
    …when they came for me…there was no one left to speak for me…

  26. Bob Strauss……………..
    Regarding legal action against Soetoro, it will probably soon be written into our alleged laws that It will be ILLEGAL to attempt to sue a sitting president. You could be prosecuted for it and I am sure that there will be one hell of a fine and in all probability an accompanying lengthy prison term. Watch for it. I am sure that the law is already being drafted. As we draw closer to the 2012 election I wouldn’t be surprised if Soetoro finds a way to POSTPONE THE ELECTION. I wonder how all Americans will react. My guess is COMPLACENCY……not a word like WHOA. In politics you usually get what you ask for and/or otherwise invite. So keep sitting on your butts,smoking your dope, watching your porn,and drinking your booze………the chickens will be coming home to roost soon.

  27. oldsalt79 | February 12, 2012 at 11:07 am |

    Truthseeker……………….
    The last time Brown was governor he nearly bankrupted your state. Quite a resume. It would seem that Californians would have REMEMBERED. Yet they voted him in for ANOTHER TRY.
    **********************************
    OldSalt79, The problem in CA is that the Conservative tax payers are out numbered by the free loaders, illegal aliens, unions, and other people out to take advantage of the economy of CA.

    The traitorous democrats prey on this group to get elected, by promising them more, and more, money, from the tax payers. That is why Gov Brown wants to pay for their college. The election is coming up, and they are buying votes, and if you want the handouts to continue, elect me again.

  28. If you heard that Romney won Maine, don’t believe it.. it’s all a Bullsh*t charade perpetuated by the GOP. All the votes haven’t been counted for every part of Maine and some of the voters haven’t caucused yet, but they are saying that when they do, their votes won’t count……DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL BUT I’M FED UP WITH THIS CRAPOLLA……

    The Media Turns A Blind Eye As The GOP Rigs Maine For Mitt Romney

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-media-turns-a-blind-eye-as-the-gop-rigs-maine-for-mitt-romney/question-2452631/

    RON PAUL Won Maine, no matter how they try to flip it.. plus, Ron won all of the delegates there too..

    Here’s some not counted yet and a WHOLE county was cancelled where the Doc was way ahead….the whether was said to be inclement but they never got any snow….just a slight dusting…..other things in the county were NOT cancelled…..WAKE UP AMERICA…..

    Some, like Washington County, haven’t voted yet, but it seems like many of these towns’ votes should have been reported yesterday and included in the total. Would be nice to have an explanation for the missing towns’ votes:
    County (number of towns/precincts reporting “zero” votes)

    Cumberland (6)
    Franklin (10)
    Hancock (19)
    Kennebec (5)
    Knox (2)
    Lincoln (4)
    Oxford (13)
    Penobscot (26)
    Piscataquis (7)
    Somerset (17)
    Waldo (20)

    RON PAUL 2012!! OR NOTHING AT ALL!!

  29. Bob Strauss………………
    I could be wrong but I am under the impression that he WAS RECENTLY REELECTED. This occurred when the TERMINATOR’S term was over. Maybe I am wrong………but in reality I don’t care what is happening in California. The people there HAD the ability to control who they put in office….so to that I say YOU ASKED FOR IT…..NOW YOU GOT IT. Once again, the NOSE PICKING, BAGGY PANTS,DRUG FOGGED, HAT ON BACKWARDS CROWD,WERE THE PRINCIPLES OF THE STATE ELECTION. NICE BUNCH! LET THEM SIMMER IN THEIR OWN STEW. AFTER CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN REDUCED TO ASHES these punks will still be sitting around smoking their DOPE. They could’nt care less.

  30. ……BTW……..Brown is a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!

  31. WAKE UP PEOPLE…..

    This Hoax Affects Everyone

  32. oldsalt79 | February 12, 2012 at 12:02 pm |

    Bob Strauss……………..
    Regarding legal action against Soetoro, it will probably soon be written into our alleged laws that It will be ILLEGAL to attempt to sue a sitting president. You could be prosecuted for it and I am sure that there will be one hell of a fine and in all probability an accompanying lengthy prison term. Watch for it. I am sure that the law is already being drafted.
    ***************************
    Hawaii has already passed a law, like you describe, the “Vexatious Requester Law”, to prevent any honest, requester from getting any info from the Hawaii DOH about the usurper’s fraudulent birth there, and the corruption in Hawaii, is safeguarded by Soetoro’s dept of injustice.

  33. CW………………
    I am sure that everybody has heard the very tired saying….”You can lead a horse to water,but you cannot make him drink it.” Because of the still ongoing US complacency you could shout warnings from your rooftop yet nobody will pay any attention until AFTER THE FACT, at which point it is TOO LATE to rectify, and they will then SCREAM that they are going to sue somebody for not acting to save their sorry asses. The complacents are to damn lazy to do it themselves…..they always expect somebody else to do the dirty work FOR THEM.

  34. BYE BYE all Take care!

  35. Maine VOTE FRAUD–Results before they post them! Time to wake up sheeple……

  36. Maine Caucus 1800 votes missing from Ron Paul and Newt Ginrich

  37. Samuel L. Jackson: ‘I Voted for Barack Because He Was Black’; His Message Didn’t Mean $%*@ To Me
    by Hollywoodland

    It seems actor Samuel L. Jackson didn’t care about either the hope or the change Sen. Barack Obama promised back in 2008. The young Chicago politician shared the same skin color as Jackson, and that was enough.

    The “Pulp Fiction” star has confessed his real reason for supporting Obama three years ago:

    In an interview with Ebony magazine, Jackson explained, “I voted for Barack because he was black. ‘Cuz that’s why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them … That’s American politics, pure and simple. [Obama’s] message didn’t mean [bleep] to me.”

    Jackson then went on to drop the N-word several times when discussing Obama, telling the mag, “When it comes down to it, they wouldn’t have elected a [bleep]. Because, what’s a [bleep]? A [bleep] is scary. Obama ain’t scary at all. [Bleeps] don’t have beers at the White House. [Bleeps] don’t let some white dude, while you in the middle of a speech, call [him] a liar. A [bleep] would have stopped the meeting right there and said, ‘Who the [bleep] said that?’ I hope Obama gets scary in the next four years, ‘cuz he ain’t gotta worry about getting re-elected.”

    If this is true….then Mr. Jackson should have only been given a half vote…..because 1/2 of Obama is supposed to be white.

    Actually and truthfully we don’t know what he is.

  38. Why college tuition is so expensive –

  39. Watch the video and then click on EVENTS to find a Tea Party near you.
    We have to take our country back!

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    http://electiondayteaparty.squarespace.com/

    On November 6, 2012, the United States faces a turning point. Will we restore our constitutional republic or will we continue to slide into European style collectivist statism?
    Almost three years ago, on February 27, 2009, average American citizens who stand for individual liberty started the Tea Party movement. Our goal has always been to return our country to the three core values of constitutionally limited government, free markets, and fiscal responsibility.
    The election battle of 2012 will be fought from precinct to precinct in every corner of the country. The Left will use every financial, media, and paid staff resource at their disposal to win. If they prevail, the United States as we know it will no longer exist.
    The hour for patriots to rise to the challenge and save the republic is upon us.

  40. bob strauss | February 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm |

    oldsalt79 | February 12, 2012 at 12:02 pm |

    Bob Strauss……………..
    Regarding legal action against Soetoro, it will probably soon be written into our alleged laws that It will be ILLEGAL to attempt to sue a sitting president. You could be prosecuted for it and I am sure that there will be one hell of a fine and in all probability an accompanying lengthy prison term. Watch for it. I am sure that the law is already being drafted.
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    Hawaii has already passed a law, like you describe, the “Vexatious Requester Law”, to prevent any honest, requester from getting any info from the Hawaii DOH about the usurper’s fraudulent birth there, and the corruption in Hawaii, is safeguarded by Soetoro’s dept of injustice.
    ***************************************************************************

    You are so wrong. You can blame Orly Taitz and butterdezillion for this law. They bury states with calls/letters/faxes/emails from people outside the country, trying to bully people into compliance. In other words, they are acting as federalists, in a state’s rights issue. They have zero credibility with rational thinking people. Of course, citizens of the state are entitled to received documents held by their state officials. After all, these citizens elect these officials; their tax dollars support the operation of the state office, and pay the salaries of office staffers.

    Following Orly at this point evidences not only a total disregard for the rule of law; but it calls into question on the part of the follower, a genuine goal to get to the heart of the Presidential eligibility issue.

    As for Orly, well, advocating at this point that her followers should abandon the consistently rejected argument against President Obama’s NBC status, which she somehow derived from Minor v. Happersett; is nearly 4 years late and countless dollars short.

  41. http://usopenborders.com/2012/02/the-mysteries-of-chicago-where-vicente-zambada-niebla/

    For those of you following “fast and furious”, I think you will find the attached very interesting…

  42. A Crazy Old Coot

    jbjd | February 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    I don’t usually call people names or give them descriptions, but you are an idiot. You “opinions” are as worthless as you are.

    I can read and Minor v. Happersett is still a valid decision and Mr. obama (or whatever his name really is) is NOT a NBC as required by the Constitution.

    Why don’t you go back to practicing law in the kangroo courts that you are licensed to “pratice” in.

    Just the opinion of a dumb ole (Natural Born Citizen) country boy.

  43. A Crazy Old Coot | February 12, 2012 at 2:28 pm |

    jbjd | February 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    I don’t usually call people names or give them descriptions, but you are an idiot. You “opinions” are as worthless as you are.

    I can read and Minor v. Happersett is still a valid decision and Mr. obama (or whatever his name really is) is NOT a NBC as required by the Constitution.

    Why don’t you go back to practicing law in the kangroo courts that you are licensed to “pratice” in.

    Just the opinion of a dumb ole (Natural Born Citizen) country boy.
    **********************************************************************
    The “opinion of a dumb ole …country boy” doesn’t sway the courts. Neither did the Minor v. Happersett argument, as Orly only now admits. It was never “jbjd” who advocated this argument to be used in court; Orly did! No matter how many times this same argument was rejected. Sure, believe anything you want; but expecting a court of law to accept your argument when it consistently rejects that same argument, is counterintuitive. And when a lawyer pushes an opinion rejected by the courts during the same time period, this invites sanctions.

    Call me names; but then, to be consistent, belittle Orly, too, for now apparently adopting more and more of the original plan of eligibility challenge I first proposed nearly 4 years ago.

  44. Stop the name calling immediately!
    Whether or not you agree with the commenter.

  45. A Crazy Old Coot

    Sorry CW, but I just had to get it out of my system.

    I will go now and leave the blog to you all.

    Just the opinion of a dumb ole (Natural Born Citizen) country boy.

  46. jbjd | February 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    You are so wrong. You can blame Orly Taitz and butterdezillion for this law. They bury states with calls/letters/faxes/emails from people outside the country, trying to bully people into compliance.
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    jbjd,
    Should bullying the Hawaii DOH into compliance be necessary?

    When Hawaii law says a FOIA request should be honored, and it isn’t, because Hawaii DOH refuses to release information to prove Obama is a fraud, are people just supposed to say, “oh well” , and move on?

    The Hawaii DOH is covering for Obama, and hiding his vital records. Obama has produced two forgeries, claiming them to be official documents, and Hawaii can only obfuscate the issue, and refuse to authenticate anything.

  47. ACOC,
    not asking anyone to leave, just be civil.

  48. bob strauss | February 12, 2012 at 3:59 pm |

    jbjd | February 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    You are so wrong. You can blame Orly Taitz and butterdezillion for this law. They bury states with calls/letters/faxes/emails from people outside the country, trying to bully people into compliance.
    ************************************
    jbjd,
    Should bullying the Hawaii DOH into compliance be necessary?
    ********************************************************************************
    The HI DoH has no right to release President Obama’s birth records; and they have no right even to ‘view’ these records and comment in public. But as long as people ignore the law, which protects the privacy of these records; then, the law protecting these workers (who are protecting these records) must be changed so as to prevent such bullying.

    I urged people back in 2008; if you want to go after those records, go to court and make a legal argument that, having ‘banked’ on the existence of those records by posting an electronic image on a campaign web site; Obama should be estopped from claiming privacy rights now. In other word, he benefited from the disclosure but will not agree to be ‘burdened’ by waiving these privacy rights to those citizens who want to check. (I would include the argument that the State of HI is complicit in this by issuing non-official statements by officials that they have seen these records.)

    You don’t get to bully. You don’t get to bully. You don’t get to bully.

  49. Bessie | February 12, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    I think that was an interesting article…I really had trouble following it.
    Was it written in code?, Just kidding, perhaps it was re-copied with some obvious errors. I found the last part referring to the inexperienced lawyer, BHO, very interesting.

  50. jbjd: Sure, believe anything you want; but expecting a court of law to accept your argument when it consistently rejects that same argument, is counterintuitive.
    =================================
    Thomas More did not expect a corrupt court to “accept his argument” either but he also refused to pretend that the court was following its own law and gave his life for the protection of the public as a whole. That is called integrity within his profession. You would probably work as well in those countries with histories of kangaroo courts. More importantly to the point your particularly chosen argument to rant against hasn’t been the only argument presented to the various courts. It would also help if you would just as evenly properly assess the error of the various individuals (yes, judges are individuals with more or less a true advocacy for the law under the Constitution and/or the state) that have placed “opinions” as precedent that of course influences as you have stated their contemporaries when the question arises in their own jurisdictions. As far as name calling goes….your thin skin should look in the mirror for a change and acknowledge your generalized insults of those who have risked a heck of a lot more personal time and trouble on the ground…..as well as those you categorically name as irrational for differing from yourself on pure opinion since you too have offered nothing more than that. When states are knowingly altering their protocol for the purpose of a self limiting time “problem” in itself and more broadly in order to assist non-state, federal insistence of non-compliance, even with licit orders you’re speaking of a much bigger interference than merely “state” parameters. Citizen voters didn’t have a role in such alterations for the sole purpose of a single party political refusal to accommodate completely reasonable suspicion of vital hidden information…..in fact that which has already been purported to be in the public domain but rather “untouchable” at the same time. You can’t have it both ways. Either the state serves all the people or it is out of order via its private clique of elitist bureaucrats.

  51. Jbjd. They force me to show my birth records every time that I turn around. The real copy with the raised seal. Bullying my arse. You are part of the problem hiding behind litigious bullshite that only serves to protect the corrupt. Us common folk are forever screwed because of your kind.

  52. Cw. Can you release my comment if you choose to?

  53. One more reason why Dr. Paul is right about the war on drugs…….

    Secret Of Whitney Houston’s Death Discovered!

  54. You don’t get to bully. You don’t get to bully. You don’t get to bully.
    ***************************************
    The DOH employees were being reminded of what their own laws said, since the DOH was breaking them, to cover for the usurper.

  55. A Crazy Old Coot | February 12, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    I can read and Minor v. Happersett is still a valid decision and Mr. obama (or whatever his name really is) is NOT a NBC as required by the Constitution.
    ____________________________________________________________
    How can a court case based on the question of a woman who only wanted to know if she could vote determine a President’s citizenship?

    What does NBC of a President have to do with whether the woman gets to vote in MO?

    Could a state ballot access challenge directly on point to a state’s law which requires the candidate to be constitutional eligibility as sworn by a state or national political party member(s) based on the only thing in the public record which could be used is a computer image on a political advertisement to determine a candidate’s citizenship for President?

    What was the the basis of eligibility certification by the Party members?

    State ballot access challenge actors, state government officials, sworn state and/or national political party certification by a Party member(s) and state law challengers along with the proper state ballot access laws and of course, citizens of the state supporting the state ballot challenge for resolution = proper and professional state ballot access challenge.

    A political ad is a marketing tool for a candidate. Buy the product or not.

  56. YEAH….more truth coming…..

    8 Arrests In British Inquiry Tied To Murdoch Tabloids
    New York Times
    Published 08:20 p.m., Saturday, February 11, 2012

    LONDON — British authorities arrested eight people Saturday, including five employees of Rupert Murdoch’s tabloid the Sun, as part of an investigation into bribery of public officials by journalists, according to Scotland Yard and the newspaper’s parent company.

    The arrests were made on suspicion of corruption in conjunction with a search at the homes of those arrested and at the newspaper’s office complex, detectives said.

    A person with knowledge of the investigation, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss a continuing operation, confirmed reports that the arrested Sun employees were a deputy editor, Geoff Webster; the chief reporter, John Kay; the chief foreign correspondent, Nick Parker; a picture editor, John Edwards; and a reporter, John Sturgis.

    The Sun is Murdoch’s British flagship and the country’s best-selling daily newspaper, with a circulation of 2.7 million.

    It had previously been on the fringes of the scandal that led to the closing of its sister tabloid, the News of the World, last summer.

    The arrests Saturday bring to nine the number of current and former Sun employees arrested in the case.

    In addition to the journalists, a police officer, a Defense Ministry official and a member of the British armed forces were arrested Saturday, the police said. They too were charged with corruption, as well as misconduct in a public office.

    Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/8-Arrests-In-British-Inquiry-Tied-To-Murdoch-3305526.php#ixzz1mDAHIdQi

  57. azgo | February 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    A political ad is a marketing tool for a candidate. Buy the product or not.
    *******************************
    I’m not buying it, it’s just BS.

  58. When I first began to visit this website, in a panic, back before the last election, I can remember the posts of jbjd and how they just didn’t seem to be realistic. The simple reason, I later found, was because I wasn’t a lawyer (I’m not conceding to being stupid) and because I had strong biases concerning the underlying issues…(Duty, Honor, Country)
    Over time, and I know it’s extremely difficult, I decided that I would attempt to put some of those biases aside in the interest of clarity. I admit, it was like taking castor oil. There should be a better way. The truth of the matter however, was that there wasn’t a better way…period.
    I started this life in an orphanage and was eventually adopted. As a result, I have had personal experience with birth certificates. By way of finding my birth parents, I learned first hand how truly difficult it is to actually get to even see a birth certificate. Even now, with all parties to my original birth certificate long dead except for me, I cannot obtain it. They are classified beyond belief but, by crook, and a personal friend lawyer, information on the original became available. just the info, not a copy or anything else. (hand written on a napkin)
    If my humble, worthless birth certificate is not available, how much more guarded would be the birth certificate of the President of the United States, especially due to the fact that he has used a presidential order to protect it, over and above any normal legal protections that existed.
    What I’m getting at is, as I have said before, it is time, as jbjd has said on so many occasions, to shift the focus of this quest to the DNC. They are the ones who have done this. All of it, not just Obama. he was merely the frosting on the cake so-to-speak…and why not? If we swallowed all their other crap, why wouldn’t we swallow an inelegible president? To take this argument out further…and what else might we be willing to swallow?
    Jbjd is correct in that if we don’t like the way things are, then we should, by all means, do everything proper and necessary to change it. I believe that this election has revealed a lot of very odd and interesting laws in many states. One thing that is particularly vexing is the lack of any kind of standardization concerning voting laws….and especially a glaring insufficiency concerning the elegibility clause in the Constitution, for the presidency no less.
    Lets quit shooting the messenger. jbjd has supplied us with literally mountains of free information both here and on his/her site…and free is a very good price. JMHO

  59. coldwarvet.
    I like millions of other Americans have been asked to present a certified copy of my original birth certificate.
    I have done so multiple times & I have one in my possession now. It has a raised seal on it.
    Mine also did not say “or abstract” at the bottom.

  60. CW
    Perhaps I need to clarify.
    I also have a certified copy of my birth certificate. When one is adopted, the original birth certificate (there is one) is sealed and then filed within the county of registration. Then a new one is issued with a different name, parents, siblings, etc.
    What we have been talking about here (concerning Obama) is, in fact, a sealed birth certificate.
    The one you have, because (I am assuming) there are no unusual circumstances surrounding your birth, is a certified copy of your original. Yes, we all have these.

  61. coldwarvet | February 12, 2012 at 6:32 pm |

    I”m not “shooting the messenger” and perhaps she has been right about a lot. I was commenting on her smug nature that somehow relishes the complexity of laws that are designed to protect the powerful. Obama is wearing these laws like a cloak. We are stupid for even asking the question.

  62. paxson
    Sometimes, when we understand a thing better than someone else, we have a tendency to come off a bit glib. Not that we are deliberately being smug, but that we have a thorough understanding of the subject. I think we, being lay persons, can be a little frustrating when our wants conflict with our means on a subject that another has full command of . I do it too. We all do. It just so happens, unfortunately, that the subject matter in this instance is complex in the legal sense. jbjd has merely tried to simplify that complexity to make tit easier for us to understand. If he/she didn’t care about us I doubt that there would even be an effort put forth. Additionally, no one has even made an effort to try what jbjd has advocated (it’s been how many years now) which, I could understand, would be a bit frustrating to the one offering solutions. I would love to be a resident of one of the states in which the solution would , and still does, apply. ..just sayin’

  63. Paxson | February 12, 2012 at 6:55 pm |

    coldwarvet | February 12, 2012 at 6:32 pm |

    I”m not “shooting the messenger” and perhaps she has been right about a lot. I was commenting on her smug nature that somehow relishes the complexity of laws that are designed to protect the powerful. Obama is wearing these laws like a cloak. We are stupid for even asking the question.
    *********************************************************************
    We, the citizens, wrote these laws. If we don’t understand what we wrote, this is not the fault of our legislators; after all, we elected (and re-elected) them. But advocating we operate within existing laws until we change these laws, is hardly being “smug.” Rather, it is respecting our system of government.

    That even at this late date, that is, nearly 4 years after the last time our laws failed to produce the outcome we desire; people would still waste time focusing on personalities rather than shoring up these laws; speaks volumes about people’s true intention.

  64. jbjd: But advocating we operate within existing laws until we change these laws, is hardly being “smug.”
    ==============================
    Are you equally advocating that GA’s state laws should also be “respected”…by ALL citizens? Your beloved “we” appears to include those within the system of justice who have one law for the lowly and another for the elitist. Or should attys be only apple polishers just in case their advocacy for the truth of the law might get on the wrong side of particular judges who rule on such elitist cases?

  65. Paxson | February 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm |

    Jbjd. They force me to show my birth records every time that I turn around. The real copy with the raised seal. Bullying my arse. You are part of the problem hiding behind litigious bullshite that only serves to protect the corrupt. Us common folk are forever screwed because of your kind.
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    Paxon

    Law Student is a leftist obot sent here to disrupt free speech. She has been outed many times. Yet sheeple who can’t see through her BS continue to come here praising her, like Koolaid drinkers. Really sad IMO.

  66. coldwarvet | February 12, 2012 at 7:22 pm |

    paxson
    Sometimes, when we understand a thing better than someone else, we have a tendency to come off a bit glib. Not that we are deliberately being smug, but that we have a thorough understanding of the subject. I think we, being lay persons, can be a little frustrating when our wants conflict with our means on a subject that another has full command of . I do it too. We all do. It just so happens, unfortunately, that the subject matter in this instance is complex in the legal sense. jbjd has merely tried to simplify that complexity to make tit easier for us to understand. If he/she didn’t care about us I doubt that there would even be an effort put forth. Additionally, no one has even made an effort to try what jbjd has advocated (it’s been how many years now) which, I could understand, would be a bit frustrating to the one offering solutions. I would love to be a resident of one of the states in which the solution would , and still does, apply. ..just sayin’
    ***************************************************************
    FYI, I am working with citizens from a couple of those states but, unfortunately, because of the massive theft of my intellectual property by people who have no idea what they are doing and, as a result, sabotage the efforts of those of us who ‘get it’; I have had to conduct the work ‘underground.’ No talk of whether President Obama is eligible – who knows – or whether a legally binding definition exists of NBC – it doesn’t – or whether a Certification contains exact words of Constitutional eligibility or just says “duly nominated” – doesn’t matter, a distinction without a difference – no multiple requests for information from state officials – once we get what we need, we don’t need duplicates – and, above all, no involvement of people outside the state in this state issue (except for the advice I provide). No citizens participate without going through the steps of learning the how’s and why’s of the issues. And no temper tantrums if the answers are not what we would like. Because even a negative answer is an answer. In other words, if we are told, under the law, there is nothing that can be done then, we need to publicize the limitation of existing laws, and fix them.

    I don’t blame anyone else but me for the years before 2008, when I was as complacent a citizen as nearly everyone else. But I figured out what went wrong with our election; and how to fix it; and devoted most of my ‘spare’ hours to disseminating this information, for free.

    Now, who is to blame for the failure of these efforts to take hold?

  67. coldwarvet | February 12, 2012 at 7:22 pm |

    jbjd has merely tried to simplify that complexity to make tit easier for us to understand.
    ==============================
    Do you know what jbjd has actually advocated? “Merely” getting the laws changed/rewritten to her specification…..this within the current political climate that dates back these 4 years (and of course for decades) as well as the bureaucracy of states and their own political affiliations of those in just the positions that control those mechanisms for compliance to her desires. Her “angels” have been substituted for human natures. Nice to dream without the reality imposed….like it has been demonstrated by the various angles legitimately attempted within just that climate.

  68. jbjd
    We are the television generation. We like our inputs to be packaged. We get almost constant media input and have come to trust that input as sufficient to our purposes. Our lives, due to so much media content, have become unreasonably complex. We just don’t know it.
    Unless one is directly involved in government or the legal profession, they simply feel that they haven’t enough time to squeeze in something so complex and time consuming (and uninteresting ) as local government.
    It is possible though, that they just might be coming to a point where they have a NEED to become more informed. Kind of like a computer…you get along ok to start with, but eventually you feel you actually need to learn how to use one. Especially after you crash one. I will admit, for my part, that what has been going on in this country for the last few years has been very informative indeed….and real scary…

  69. observer | February 12, 2012 at 7:38 pm |

    jbjd: But advocating we operate within existing laws until we change these laws, is hardly being “smug.”
    ==============================
    Are you equally advocating that GA’s state laws should also be “respected”…by ALL citizens? Your beloved “we” appears to include those within the system of justice who have one law for the lowly and another for the elitist. Or should attys be only apple polishers just in case their advocacy for the truth of the law might get on the wrong side of particular judges who rule on such elitist cases?
    *****************************************************************
    observer, look, obviously, you are one of those people who will not be deterred by the facts. So, I accept that you will continue to refer to an executive administrative hearing as a judicial procedure; that you will continue to insist, your beliefs are tantamount to ‘truths’; and that you will ridicule as “elitist” a reasoned adherence to argument based not on unbridled emotion but in law.

  70. Moderation at 7:55.

  71. observer | February 12, 2012 at 7:51 pm |

    coldwarvet | February 12, 2012 at 7:22 pm |

    jbjd has merely tried to simplify that complexity to make tit easier for us to understand.
    ==============================
    Do you know what jbjd has actually advocated? “Merely” getting the laws changed/rewritten to her specification…..this within the current political climate that dates back these 4 years (and of course for decades) as well as the bureaucracy of states and their own political affiliations of those in just the positions that control those mechanisms for compliance to her desires. Her “angels” have been substituted for human natures. Nice to dream without the reality imposed….like it has been demonstrated by the various angles legitimately attempted within just that climate.
    *****************************************************************
    GA has candidate ballot eligibility laws but no rules to determine eligibility. As I have recommended several times – for example see http://jbjd.org/2011/01/24/write-smart-eligibility-laws/ – in those states with such laws but no rules; you just have to get the SoS to write the rules.

    In other words, while the Complainants were filing complaints in GA with both the SoS and the OSAH; why, for goodness sake, didn’t they also ask for rules to be written to carry out the law? Then, we could have rules in place for the general election! Again, I accept, you are one of those people who cannot be appealed to on the basis of facts and reason.

  72. observer
    I believe I said in an earlier post that this was not going to be anywhere near an easy task…the analogy of drinking castor oil I believe, for us , who have been the enablers for what now appears to be a totally corrupted system. Not because of laws, but because of people who manipulate those laws. We have been so apathetic we have made ourselves sick.
    Now …it is not simple …now we are going to have to suffer….if it is indeed not too late. Our own system has been turned against us and our laws, taken individually and out of context, have been used to the advantage of those who want what we have, and would see us destroyed to get it …sadly, THAT is where we are… “merely”in this context would be akin to British understatement if you will.

  73. jbjd
    Gee jbjd…shortsighted lawmakers…who’d a thunk ! Maybe it is simple after all….

  74. coldwarvet | February 12, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    =============================
    I was merely referring to your apparent respect and belief for jbjd’s “ability” to “simplify” things for us who may not be aware of all that he/she is privy to …. perhaps via some texts that we may not have at hand. Sorry, but when you’re dealing with the immoral and unlawful climate of our day….now for decades…..”simply” “rewriting” laws, assuming within some imagined vacuum, is more impossible than I think attempting to hit broadside certain accepted public desires or assumptions. If nothing else, once the “Obama effect” hits even the libs in their solar plexi there will be a few bats to grab ahold of within the public record, relayed there by all those “simpletons”, and will be fuel for the vengeance created by failed “promises” and the realization of outright lies!

  75. coldwarvet | February 12, 2012 at 8:23 pm |

    jbjd
    Gee jbjd…shortsighted lawmakers…who’d a thunk ! Maybe it is simple after all….
    ****************************************************************************
    I am not sure what you are referring to but, I meant, Farrar et al., being citizens of GA, should have asked the state to promulgate rules immediately to carry out the GA law requiring ballot eligibility. Under the OSAH, they could have done this. Why didn’t they? I can only guess that the reason they seem not to be paying attention to these problems inherent in the law which, according to them, allowed a Constitutionally ineligible President to be elected in 2008; is that, their protest are narrowly focused not on fixing what is broken with our electoral system and thereby preventing a repeat in 2012, but only on unseating President Obama.

  76. azgo | February 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    How can a court case based on the question of a woman who only wanted to know if she could vote determine a President’s citizenship?

    What does NBC of a President have to do with whether the woman gets to vote in MO?

    —————————————————————————————
    Establishing her citizenship was required before the Court could address the issue of whether Mrs. Minor had the right to vote.

  77. jbjd: GA has candidate ballot eligibility laws but no rules to determine eligibility. As I have recommended several times – for example see http://jbjd.org/2011/01/24/write-smart-eligibility-laws/ – in those states with such laws but no rules; you just have to get the SoS to write the rules.

    =============================
    I wasn’t referring to those intricacies but to the general rules of law re: the lack of defense due to lack of appearance…..did that completely pass by your spot light upon the various appearances because it was so blatant? And I don’t believe that your rationale re: “rules” was even part of the considerations given by the judge, the SoS, nor the, ahem, convenient dual role person who was both the atty for Obama and the advisor to the SoS. That excuse appeared to be rather moot to those personalities!!

  78. observer
    Sometimes the simple solutions are the hardest to see for all the complexity that surrounds them. I mentioned earlier today that one glaring problem is the lack of standardization within the electoral system.
    Because there are so many regulations already out there and on the table, it would seem to me that it shouldn’t be so hard to adopt a set that would be adequate to all the states. That would be for federal office only.

  79. Perhaps my assessment was a bit harsh and for that I apologize. I will agree that jbjd has been right about an awful lot. I am extremely frustrated that the simple disclosure of the background of our current leader has been whitewashed away through legal maneuvers that have nothing to do with protecting us citizens. Perhaps her negative tonality of late has put me over the edge and I am taking it out on the messenger.

  80. observer | February 12, 2012 at 8:41 pm |

    jbjd: GA has candidate ballot eligibility laws but no rules to determine eligibility. As I have recommended several times – for example see http://jbjd.org/2011/01/24/write-smart-eligibility-laws/ – in those states with such laws but no rules; you just have to get the SoS to write the rules.

    =============================
    I wasn’t referring to those intricacies but to the general rules of law re: the lack of defense due to lack of appearance…..did that completely pass by your spot light upon the various appearances because it was so blatant?…
    **************************************************************************
    Not showing up to an administrative hearing did not mean, the burden of proof, which was always on Complainants, has somehow shifted to Respondent. (This was on my blog; maybe if you studied more, you wouldn’t be so confused.) Complainants would have had an unobstructed opportunity to make their case, had they agreed to ALJ Malihi’s offer to Default Respondent. They did not. Even so, I understood Respondent submitted no further documentation into the record (Proposed Findings of Fact).

    But Complainants still did not meet their burden of proof that President Obama is not a NBC.

    You keep ignoring the OSAH law and procedures promulgated to carry out that law. I posted these on my blog; but, you ignored the law. (You repeated this pattern in the case involving Mr. Lakin and the KS Board of Healing Arts, another administrative hearing. Instead, you lashed out at me for what you evidently perceived were the inequities of the situation. Again, I provided the rules which clarified the sequence of events to which you had objected. Again, I won’t speculate as to why you cling to ignorance of the facts rather than educate yourself to the underlying rules governing these proceedings. I just accept that you do.)

  81. coldwarvet, what state are you from?

  82. Obama seems to succeed in being the false flag even when he isn’t…Hard to believe though, that lawyers are driven by moral imperative….

  83. jbjd
    Oregon…

  84. paxson
    It is only a simple disclosure if Obama choses to make it so. We are all in this boat together and as such, must be mutually supportive if we are to survive. Not only those on this site, but every last concerned citizen. We tend to get centered on what we each have to say, sometimes without regard to the fact that there are a lot of visitors here every day who will take with them a lot of what is said here. It is our job to make certain that the information is accurate and useful. Never forget that, no matter how bad it seems now, we are 1000% better informed than we were 4 years ago and THAT is what will ultimately be the undoing of the Washington machine and hopefully a lot of state machinery as well.
    I’m certain that jbjd is not as thin skinned as you might think and certainly not above graciously accepting of any apology. Does have claws though…..chuckle

  85. Archbishop Chaput blasts administration’s ‘insulting’ mandate revision
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    The Archbishop is a great and learned man. I think he realizes that Barack Hussein has declared a Fatwa against the Catholic Church.

    I hope the rest of the Catholics wake up too!

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