Obama jobs speech, September 8, 2011, Joint session of Congress, More shovel ready jobs?, More Obama promises, More Obama spending

Obama jobs speech, September 8, 2011, Joint session of Congress, More shovel ready jobs?, More Obama promises, More Obama spending

***  UPDATE BELOW  ***

From the Chicago Tribune September 8, 2011.

“President Barack Obama will lay out a jobs
package worth more than $300 billon on Thursday, staking his
re-election hopes on a call for urgent bipartisan action to revive the
faltering economy.

With his poll numbers sliding to new lows amid voter frustration with
9.1 percent unemployment, Obama will make tax cuts for middle-class
households and businesses the centerpiece of the plan and will press
for new spending to repair roads, bridges and other deteriorating
infrastructure.

He will use his televised speech before a joint session of the U.S.
Congress, at 7 p.m. EDT, to urge passage of those measures by
year-end.

If congressional Republicans reject his remedies, his strategy will be
to paint them as obstructionists and blame them for the stagnating
economy.

Stubbornly high unemployment has heightened fears that the economy
could be headed for another recession. Net employment growth
registered zero in August as a budget standoff in Washington and the
European debt crisis spooked businesses and consumers.

Obama is under intense pressure to change perceptions that he has
shown weak leadership. His economic stewardship has been criticized by
both Republicans and fellow Democrats, casting a cloud over his
prospects for re-election in November 2012.”

“Republicans have derided an $800 billion economic stimulus package
that Obama pushed through Congress in 2009 as wasteful spending and
have pushed for immediate cuts in the deficit.

Democrats say that while long-term deficits must be addressed, the
economy needs a short-term fiscal boost.

Media reports have put the size of Obama’s jobs package at upward of
$300 billion. CNN quoted sources saying it could top $400 billion. The
White House would not confirm the reports.”

“Republican Senator Lamar Alexander said Obama should take
responsibility for making the economy worse.

“Unemployment is worse, housing is worse, the debt is worse, and he’s
done all that by throwing a big wet blanket over the economy with his
regulatory, tax and healthcare policies,” he said.”

Read more:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-obama-jobstre781765-20110902,0,2398267.story

What Obama stated on March 3, 2009.
    “Two weeks ago, I signed into law the American Recovery and
Reinvestment Act, the most sweeping economic recovery plan in history.
 And already, its impact is being felt across this nation.
Hardworking families can now worry a little less about next month’s
bills because of the tax cut they’ll soon find in the mail.  Renewable
energy companies that were once downsizing are now finding ways to
expand.  And transportation projects that were once on hold are now
starting up again — as part of the largest new investment in
America’s infrastructure since President Eisenhower built the
Interstate Highway System.

    Of the 3.5 million jobs that will be created and saved over the
next two years as a result of this recovery plan, 400,000 will be jobs
rebuilding our crumbling roads, bridges, and schools, repairing our
faulty levees and dams, connecting nearly every American to broadband,
and upgrading the buses and trains that commuters take every day.
Many of these projects will be coordinated by Secretary LaHood and all
of you at the Department of Transportation.  And I want you to know
that the American public is grateful to public servants like you —
men and women whose work isn’t always recognized, but whose jobs are
critical to our nation’s safety, security, and prosperity.  You have
never been more important than you are right now, and for that we are
all grateful.  (Applause.)

    Now, in the coming days and weeks, my administration will be
announcing more details about the kinds of transportation projects
that will be launched as part of the recovery plan.  But today, I want
to speak about an investment we are making in one part of our
infrastructure.  Through the Recovery Act, we will be investing $28
billion in our highways, money that every one of our 50 states can
start using immediately to put people back to work.  It’s an
investment being made at an unprecedented pace, thanks in large part
to Joe Biden, who’s leading the effort to get the money out the door
quickly.  Because of Joe, and because of all the governors and mayors,
county and city officials who are helping implement this plan, I can
say that 14 days after I signed our Recovery Act into law, we are
seeing shovels hit the ground.”

“Now, we have another responsibility.  Having inherited a
trillion-dollar deficit that we’re working to cut in half, we also
need to ensure that tax dollars aren’t wasted on projects that don’t
deliver results.  And that’s why, as part of his duty, Joe will keep
an eye on how precious tax dollars are being spent.  To you, he’s Mr.
Vice President, but around the White House, we call him the Sheriff —
(laughter) — because if you’re misusing taxpayer money, you’ll have
to answer to him.”

Read more:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-and-vice-president-transportation-infrastructure

From The Blaze October 13, 2010.

“Obama: ‘No Such Thing’ as a Shovel-Ready Job”
“The president has offered a number of his own “serious proposals,” not
the least of which was the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act.
The underwhelming fallout from the $787 billion investment is one of
many reasons the American public is challenging the Democratic
leadership this year.

In reflecting on his time in office, the president laments that he
looks too much like “the same old tax-and-spend Democrat,“ and
realized that ”there’s no such thing as shovel-ready projects.”

But the promise of these “shovel-ready” jobs was one of the Democrats’
main selling points in lobbying for the stimulus plan. In December
2008, the then-President-elect Obama pledged, “We’ve got shovel-ready
projects all across the country that governors and mayors are pleading
to fund.  And the minute we can get those investments to the state
level, jobs are going to be created.”  Just one day later, the
president-elect presented his ideas for a “bold agenda” of
“shovel-ready projects,” promising the creation of 2.5 million new
jobs when he took office.”
In March 2009, President Obama boasted that just “14 days after I
signed our Recovery Act into law we are seeing shovels hit the
ground.”

“At the same time, Vice President Joe Biden, the White House’s de facto
stimulus shepherd, said the stimulus act “provides a necessary jolt to
our economy to implement what we refer [to] as ‘shovel-ready’
projects, meaning projects that were on the books that were needed in
the municipalities and the states that would improve the quality of
life for our constituents, the competitiveness of our businesses, but
were unable to be funded.”

Months later when the economy hadn’t begun to turn around, Obama
continued to promise “shovel-ready” jobs.  In August he bragged that
the stimulus helped fund “almost 100 shovel-ready transportation
projects… which are beginning to create jobs.”

A year later, Biden continues to parrot the White House’s claims that
“shovel-ready” projects were putting Americans to work, despite
stagnate unemployment levels.  “Last summer… we had 1,750 highway
projects that were underway — ‘shovel-ready,’” he said this summer.”

Read more:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-no-such-thing-as-a-shovel-ready-job/

*** Update from the Guardian September 9, 2011 7:45 AM ***

“President Obama’s jobs speech to Congress – as it happened”

“9.10pm: Here’s a summary of tonight’s speech on jobs by Obama:

• Barack Obama unveiled his American Jobs Act, designed to boost employment and costing $447bn. Obama repeatedly urged Congress to “pass this jobs plan right away”

• The bulk of the plan is for $245bn in reduced payroll taxes, designed to make it cheaper for business to hire new staff, as well as spending on building infrastructure and education, including funds to retain teachers and retraining for the long-term unemployed

• Under the act, an average American family would receive a tax cut of $1,500 in 2012

• Economists said the plan, if adopted in full, could support two million new jobs and cut the unemployment rate from 9% down towards 8%

• But the plan contained little to address the crushing burden of America’s housing market, and for that reason was rejected as “inadequate” by some economists

• Republican leaders gave a tepid but civil welcome to Obama’s speech, without offering specific support, although more conservative Republicans remained staunchly opposed to any new spending

• The new spending and lower revenue would have to be offset by further cuts to the federal budget under the recent debt ceiling deal, to be identified by the congressional “super committee”, with Obama pledging to submit a revised set of budget changes”

Read more:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/sep/08/obama-jobs-speech-congress-live

413 responses to “Obama jobs speech, September 8, 2011, Joint session of Congress, More shovel ready jobs?, More Obama promises, More Obama spending

  1. Im sick of Democrats using the word “bipartisan.” They don’t know the meaning of the word. After the bum got elected they rammed through all their dream deals without any Republican input. They ruined this country and The bum emphasized their feelings when he said “I Won!” But the moment they get in trouble or can’t get their way they point at the Republicans and scream at them about fair play and working together. Sadly a lot of republicans cower at their words.

    The Bums speech tonight can be summed up in two words. “Blame Republicans.”

  2. I be listening to Mark Levin rip bo to shreds during his BS speech. NO WAY I am going to give NBC ratings for that GARBAGE BS bo speech.

  3. Do you know what bugs a lot of readers here? It is the so-in-your-face, constant promotion of their favorite candidate. This includes Perry as well as Paul. Say it once, twice, or three times if you feel it necessary, but the unending repetition is tiresome and boring. It is SO pushy and in a way, rather rude. This is something I just have to say. Sorry if I offend anyone.

  4. “BREAKING PROOF!! OBAMA BORN IN KENYA – LONG FORM BC A FRAUD?!!”

    ORIGINAL ARTICLE HERE:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=303165

    * * * *

    “Michelle Obama Stares At Barack Obama Crying”

    ~~ Look at these two frauds who are being allowed to usurp the USA government & destroy the USA!! Immediately arrest these two drug addicts and insane serial criminal frauds!! ~~

    * * * *

    “Obama Admits He Was Born In Kenya”

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  5. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/08/some_republicans_skipping_obamas_speech_111253.html

    Democrat-turned-independent Sen. Joe Lieberman warned about the implications of another “political speech” by the president to NBC’s David Gregory on Thursday. “I think if the speech Thursday night is seen as another political speech to the Democratic base, not only is it not going to get anything done up here on Capitol Hill, but I think the American people are going to turn it off; they’re tired of that. They most of all want us to work together to solve their problems instead of advancing our political careers.”

    South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint won’t be in the chamber because he would prefer to read the text of the plan. Louisiana Sen. David Vitter is going to watch his New Orleans Saints take on the Green Bay Packers in the NFL’s opening game of the season. (The White House is well aware of this matchup: The speech is scheduled to begin at 7 p.m. Eastern and will end before the 8:30 kickoff.) Texas congressman and current Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul also doesn’t plan to attend.

    One of Paul’s rivals for the Republican nomination, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, will be at the Capitol, however, and will give a response to the jobs plan in a press conference following the speech.

    Georgia Rep. Paul Broun plans to live Tweet about the address to his followers from his office while watching it on television instead of attending in person. He told “Fox and Friends” Thursday morning that lawmakers are not supposed to use mobile devices in the chamber, and he thinks it’s more important to communicate with his constituents in real time. Illinois Rep. Joe Walsh will fly home Thursday to talk to “real job creators” in his district “instead of being a prop of another one of the President’s speeches,” he said on Twitter.

  6. What is most offensive is the demRats who post their asinine comments and personal attacks of conservatives who post valuable articles and videos.

  7. “The World’s Best Harp Player, Paris”

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    “Australia’s Got Talent 2010 – Harp Player”

    * * * *

  8. http://www.conservativehq.com/node/4497http://www.conservativehq.com/node/4497

    Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of ConservativeHQ.com

    “No one knocked Rick Perry off his perch.

    “There are two principal tests a candidate must pass to become the Republican nominee in 2012.

    “First, the candidate must be seen to be a conservative. Second, the candidate must convince Republican primary voters that he or she can beat President Obama.

    “When Governor Perry announced his candidacy, I said he was the only candidate who met both tests.

    “There were eight candidates on the stage. To win the debate, one of the other GOP contenders had to meet those two tests–be seen as a conservative and show he or she can beat Obama. And the person had to show he or she can do those two things better than Rick Perry.

    “Each of the candidates had their moments and each showed they had a constituency, but none of the other candidates scaled that tall mountain and knocked Perry out of the front runner’s role.”

  9. “AMERICA! MEET YOUR PRESIDENT (The Real Barack Hussein Obama)”

    * * * *

    “MICHELLE OBAMA ADMITS BARACK OBAMA’S HOME IS KENYA – MAKE THIS VIRAL”

    * * * *

    “OBAMA ADMITS HE IS A MUSLIM”

  10. BREAKING NEWS ON FOX…..US HAS JUST ISSUED A CREDIBLE TERRORIST THREAT AROUND THE 9/11 anniversary….specific to NY and Wash. D.C.

  11. “KENYAN AMBASSADOR ADMITS OBAMA BORN IN KENYA”

    * * * *

    “OBAMA KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE”

    * * * *

    “OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA… AND HIS SATANIC HISTORY?”

  12. MUST SEE EXCELLENT VIDEOS!!

    “JON VOIGHT TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA. WAKE UP AMERICA!! IMPEACH OBAMA!!”

    * * * *

    “YOU MUST WATCH THIS: IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!”

    * * * *

    “IMPEACH OBAMA OR AMERICA DIES”

  13. “IMPEACH OBAMA OR AMERICA DIES”

  14. “THE VIDEO THAT BARACK OBAMA DOESN’T WANT YOU TO SEE! Pt. 1”

    * * * *

    “THE VIDEO THAT BARACK OBAMA DOESN’T WANT YOU TO SEE Pt. 2”

    * * * *

    “THE VIDEO THAT BARACK OBAMA DOESN’T WANT YOU TO SEE Pt. 3”

    * * * *

    “CONGRESS: ARREST MR. OBAMA”

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  15. To Listen to Mark Levin rip bo’s BS speech.

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930

  16. Post Debate Photo of Rick Perry Glowering at Ron Paul

    This is the top picture on Drudge Report.

    http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2011-09-08T022735Z

    I wonder what exactly slick Rick was telling Ron?

    More:

    * Washington Times: A Texas Sized War
    * Dallas Voice: Rick Perry must not like being called Al Gore’s cheerleader
    * HuffPo: Rick Perry Subjects Ron Paul To A ‘Rick Lazio Moment’
    * Guardian UK: Rick Perry and Ron Paul get intense during Republican presidential debate
    * Help get this pic on the Daily Show!
    * Perry’s Merck Link Probed Over Gardasil Vaccine Order

  17. Free Speech | September 8, 2011 at 6:41 pm | To Listen to Mark Levin rip bo’s BS speech.

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930
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    Thanks FS, I didn’t want to punish my kids with BHO on our TV, they can’t stand him.

  18. Free Speech | September 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm |

    Pat 1789 | September 8, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    Free Speech | September 8, 2011 at 6:41 pm | To Listen to Mark Levin rip bo’s BS speech.

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930
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    Thanks FS, I didn’t want to punish my kids with BHO on our TV, they can’t stand him.

    —————————————————————————————-
    U R Welcome!

  19. Mark Levin has already started him commentary with the background noise of the lemmings in congress. It’s Great!

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930

  20. FOX is only major network channel in Nashville that is not airing bo’s BS. 2 & half men rerun is on FOX and though I have never watched that program that is what my TV’s will be on until bo is off.

    In the meantime:

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930

  21. I lost the audio for Levin

  22. I have the audio down but I think Charlie Sheen was drunk when this episode was taped.

  23. “AN OUTSTANDING INTERVIEW OF SHARON RONDEAU”

    By Paul Revere Radio

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/paul_revere_radio/2011/06/10/interview-sharon-rondeau

  24. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    I’ve got Fox on, Mark Levin and C-span. Get the Popcorn on and let the BS begin.

  25. Levin: bo is late as usual. bo’s speech is 7 pages long. I wonder what nbc will do if the pervert speaks for over an hour?

  26. bo: “Political crisis? How will it effect our polls?” I CAN’T BELIEVE THE MORON SAID THAT!

  27. THE 100% DAILY SERIAL CAREER CRIMINAL SOCIOPATH, 100% EXTREMELY MENTALLY SICK, 100% EXTREMELY SPIRITUALLY SICK, 100% DAILY SERIAL CRIMINAL DEMON POSSESSED PSYCHOPATH-LIAR, 100% FOREIGN & DOMESTIC ENEMY TERRORIST USURPER, 100% UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGAL ALIEN COMMUNIST/NWO FASCIST-ISLAMIST MUSLIM TERRORIST CALIPH, BARRY SOETORO/OBAMA, ALIAS SOEBARKAH IS ILLEGALLY USURPING & OVERTHROWING THE USA GOVERNMENT, & DAILY WAGING WAR AGAINST THE USA WHILE HE IS
    DAILY COMMITTING 100% HIGH CRIMES & 100% HIGH TREASONS, & 100%
    DAILY FELONIES & DAILY RICO RACKETEERING FRAUDS 100% COMPLETELY LAWLESSLY IS SIMPLY DAILY 100% REFUSING TO OBEY USA LAWS ILLEGALLY & UNCONSTITUTIONALLY!! SOEBARKAH STRIKES AGAIN ~ ONWARD TO SYRIA ~ SOEBARKAH MUST BE STOPPED & IMMEDIATELY ARRESTED!!

    THE 100% FOREIGN-BORN DOMESTIC ENEMY TERRORIST USURPER SOEBARKAH, ALIAS BARRY SOETORO/BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA MUST BE IMMEDIATELY ARRESTED TODAY BEFORE HE & THE SERIAL CRIMINALS
    THAT HE IS OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH TAKES THE USA AND ISRAEL INTO ARMAGEDDON!!

    THE FOREIGN-BORN UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGAL ALIEN TERRORIST USURPER & CURRENT INDONESIAN CITIZEN, SOEBARKAH – BARRY SOETORO, ALIAS THE DAILY SERIAL CRIMINAL BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WHO IS WAGING AN ILLEGAL TERRORIST COUP D-ETAT WAR AGAINST ALL 50 STATES & THE USA INSIDE OF THE USA AS A 100% UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGAL ALIEN TERRORIST USURPER AGAINST ALL 311 + MILLION USA AMERICAN CITIZENS, & THE MOST HOLY TRINITY – ALMIGHTY GOD, THE FOREVER LIVING CREATOR, & THE MESSIAH – THE SAVIOR OF HUMANITY – LORD JESUS CHRIST, YESHUA, & AGAINST ISRAEL & THE JEWISH PEOPLE, JUDEO-CHRISTIAN HISTORY & GOD’S LAWS IN THE HOLY BIBLE MUST BE IMMEDIATELY ARRESTED TODAY BEFORE HE & THE SERIAL CRIMINALS & ENEMIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ALL PEOPLE AND ALL ANIMALS WHO ARE WORKING TO OVERTHROW THE USA GOVERNMENT & THE USA PEOPLE ~ TAKES & BRINGS THE USA AND ISRAEL INTO ARMAGEDDON:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-orders-sweeping-sanctions-and-regime-change-in-syria-without-congress.html

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    “BOMBSHELL: ELECTED OFFICIAL NAMES OBAMA IN COMMISSION OF TREASON”

    “I COULDN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE”

    By Sharon Rondeau
    Sept. 5, 2011

    “Rep. Harry Accornero has stated that Barack Hussein Obama is guilty of treason against the United States”

    Read More Here: http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/05/bombshell-elected-official-names-obama-in-commission-of-treason/

  28. bo: “Can we stop the political circus?” LOL!

  29. bo: “I am sending congress a plan that you should pass right away.” LOL!

  30. Levin: bo has his union goons in audience.

  31. bo: “This plans for you.” LOL!

  32. Levin: bo is giving same speech that he gave a year ago.

  33. Charlie Sheen is still drunk, contemplating his forefinger.

  34. Charlie Sheen almost fell off his couch.

  35. Charlie stood up briefly then fell back on his couch.

  36. MUST SEE VIDEOS!!

    “TRUMP: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEATH WAS A SCAM!!!!”

    “Osama Bin Laden death was just a cover-up for the fact that the President outed his long awaited long form birth certificate, and the experts all agree it was made on photoshop.”

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    “BBC REPORTS OSAMA RAID A FAKE”

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  37. Charlie actually made it up two stairs before they had to cut away.

  38. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I thought Obama’s big issue was closing tax loops for businesses, and all I hear from his speech is tax breaks for hiring people.

    So which side of his mouth is he speaking out of?

  39. MUST SEE VIDEOS!!

    “TRUMP: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEATH WAS A SCAM!!!!”

    “Osama Bin Laden death was just a cover-up for the fact that the President outed his long awaited long form birth certificate, and the experts all agree it was made on photoshop.”

  40. Interested Bystander

    loopholes…………….sorry

  41. Charlie had it made. He made millions for being drunk on TV. Sort of like bo being coked up before congress.

  42. Charlie is now at a Sex Addicts annonymous meeting.

  43. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Am I going nuts? When Moochele came in she was wearing a purple outfit and they just showed her in a red one. How in “H” did she do that? By the way what’s with all the purple ties the fellows are wearing. Does it mean brotherhood between the “Blue” Dems and the “Red” Repubs?

  44. Levin: “This is the save obama’s job act.”

  45. “OPEN LETTER TO MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG ABOUT 9/11 DISINVITATION OF FIRST RESPONDERS”

    “A SLAP IN THE FACE OF GOD”

    Patra Minocha
    Brave Hill Productions
    © 2011, The Post & Email.

    September 8, 2011

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/08/open-letter-to-mayor-michael-bloomberg-about-911-disinvitation-of-first-responders

    * * * *

    The 100% Current Foreign Indonesian Citizen, 100% Foreign Terrorist Usurper Soebarkah/Barry Soetoro, alias the 100% Current Foreign Terrorist Usurper Barack Hussein Obama, the King of Saudi Arabia, & Soros told Mayor Bloomberg to not permit & to not allow Christian clergy and Christian prayers to be permitted to be involved in and near the 911 memorial tributes to protect the view of the Islamist Muslim terrorist attack on 911 in the hearts & in the eyes of Islamist Muslims as a victory to start to overthrow the USA government on 911.

  46. Levin: “Does anyone know what the hell he’s talking about?”

  47. Levin: “Warren Buffet is a tax cheat going back to 2002.”

  48. Levin: “What bo has done is give our tax dollars to Brazilian Oil Companies.”

  49. Levin: “bo is FULL of CRAP!”

  50. “OBAMA IS RUNNING A “GANGSTER” GOVERNMENT”

  51. Levin: “There is a massive power outage in San Diego. They are lucky because they don’t have to listen to this.”

  52. Levin: “I can’t take this anymore. This isn’t funny. This is STUPID!’ cut bo off.

  53. http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-massive-power-outage-hits-county-20110908,0,6894078.story

    SAN DIEGO — A major power outage hit San Diego County, Imperial County and parts of Orange County Thursday, leaving residents throughout the region without power.

    The outage knocked out power at the Fox 5 studios at about 3:40 p.m.

    San Diego Gas and Electric officials were scrambling to find out the cause of the outage. They said they would have a news conference when they have more information. The utility used Twitter to send the following message: “We understand power is out, we are working on the cause and solution. We do not have a restoration time yet”

    The San Diego County Sheriff’s Department confirmed that it’s substations all over the county were without power. In addition, viewers from Chula Vista in the south to Oceanside in the north and as far east as Alpine called Fox 5 to report they were without power.

  54. Is bo still having diarrhea of the mouth?

  55. Is it safe to turn on the Saints/Packers Game yet?

  56. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904103404576559061385510354.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    “I thought it was a major positive for Rick Perry,” said Sid Dinerstein, GOP chairman for Palm Beach County, who isn’t aligned with any campaign. “The country wants an adult in charge, and they want an adult discussion.”

  57. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/hey-liberals-dont-count-on-perrys-extremism-being-too-big-a-liability/2011/03/28/gIQAfu0JCK_blog.html

    Now, it’s certainly possible that a Perry-Obama contest could be a very close race, and those two or three points that Perry might lose compared to a more moderate conservative nominee like Mitt Romney might well make the difference. But Perry may not really be perceived as all that extreme by next fall.

    My guess is that Perry is far more of a savvy politician than a true believer, and that he’ll have a lot less trouble than some Democrats currently believe in moving to the center if he does win the nomination. My prediction is that at he’ll wind up as committed to Social Security as any other candidate

  58. Go Saints! This will be a good one!

  59. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/rick-perrys-pre-emptive-strike-on-obamas-speech-the-promises-and-the-platitudes-arent-going-to-cut-it/

    Rick Perry’s Pre-Emptive Strike On Obama’s Speech: ‘The Promises And The Platitudes’ Aren’t ‘Going To Cut It’

  60. Safe to say constant lies and sheeple americans still take what he media says as gospel. were in america silly we dont lie to the public

  61. Perry’s Merck Link Probed Over Gardasil Vaccine Order

    MSNBC Reports:

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s GOP rivals sharply criticized him during Wednesday night’s debate over his 2007 executive order mandating that teenage girls be vaccinated to prevent cervical cancer — a move that drew strong opposition at the time from social conservatives and was later overturned by the state Legislature.

    But they failed to bring up a key part of the story that fueled the Texas controversy and which Democrats are poised to pounce on: Perry’s order came after the drug company that manufactured the vaccine hired Mike Toomey, his former chief of staff, as one of the firm’s top lobbyists in Austin.

    Toomey, who is now running the main “super pac” backing Perry’s candidacy, was retained by pharmaceutical giant Merck & Co., maker of the Gardasil vaccine, which is designed to prevent the human papillomavirus, or HPV, an infection linked to cervical cancer in women.

    Continue reading at MSNBC

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44442051/ns/politics/

  62. Greenwald: “Creepy and disgusting” cheering for death penalties/ Perry

    Excerpt from Salon.com:

    Wildly cheering the execution of human beings as though one’s favorite football team just scored a touchdown is primitive, twisted and base.

    All of that would be true even if the death penalty were perfectly applied and only clearly guilty people were killed. But in the U.S., the exact opposite is true; see here to read about (and act to stop) a horrific though typical example of a very likely innocent person about to be executed by the State of Georgia. That Perry in particular likely enabled the execution of an innocent man — as well as numerous other highly disturbing killings, of the young and mentally infirm — makes the cheering all the more repellent. That the death penalty in America has long been plagued by a serious racial bias makes it worse still. That this death-cheering comes from a party that relentlessly touts itself as “pro-life” and derides the other as The Party of Death — and loves to condemn Islam (in contrast to its war-loving self) as a death-glorifying cult — only adds a layer of dark irony.

  63. Ron Paul & Rick Perry Debate Highlights

  64. The response from Salon is no surprise. It’s another radical leftwing rag and I take nothing they print as even mildly worth any effort of reading, no matter how bored I might be. My guess is they are another poor excuse for news with strong connections to the scumbag, slimeball, George Soros.

  65. Sorry….my post was in response to the one CQ put in above.

  66. Jon Stewart on Perry, Romney 9/7/11 (Very Funny)

    Who in the world can vote for these guys? Stewart’s treatment of Romney’s Jobs Plan is hilarious.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-7-2011/indec

  67. Per my research of the law and regs for SSNs, Uncle Omar Obama, Aunt Zeituni, and Brother Abongo Malik Obama Should Have ITINs not SSNs! This is my understanding of the law and regs regarding SSNs and ITINs. My oh my how many unusual SSNs of questionable provenance seem to run in the Obama family. | by CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
    http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/uncle-omar-obama-aunt-zeituni-and-brother-abongo-malik-obama-should-have-itins-not-ssns-by-cdr-charles-kerchner-ret/

    CDR Kerchner (Ret)
    ProtectOurLiberty.org

  68. CDR Charles Kerchner ,

    Are you aware of the two Hawaii DOH documents that could prove if the COLBs posted on fightthesmears and factcheck were issued by the DOH?

  69. NEW VIDEO – Jerry Doyle Slams Perry and Defends Ron Paul – Amazing Radio Segment

    Jerry Doyle hit a home run again for Ron Paul and for what we are fighting for. He destroyed Rick Perry, destroyed Rick Santorum and then said things about Ron Paul that we have been wanting ANYONE in the media to say. This was sensational.

    Folks, after hearing this today, I think it is obvious that we have have a powerful ally in Jerry Doyle.

    He needs to keep hearing from us. If you have a minute, send him a message and let him know what you think about what he had to say today.

    http://www.jerrydoyle.com

    He reads his emails. I have seen numerous people commenting on here that he wrote them back personally. He did me too.

  70. About that cheering for the death penalty.

    It’s called justice.

    Meanwhile, when Hoffa called for his army to take out the tea party, was there any cheering? Did the media find it disgusting? Is the tea party guilty of murder? Did the white house, or any democrat have anything bad to say about it?

    So, there you have it. The liberals are appalled that republicans would cheer justice taking place. And the liberals got no problem with taking out the tea party.

    It would be nice to have a network that would fight back hard and make a mockery of these people. Fox news is too fair and balanced. Unless they’re talking about Obama. And then they’re just outright liars. FOR Obama.

    It’ll never change as long as we watch and support that network.

  71. Cheering for the death of horrible criminals who kill and torture innocent victims; You bet! Liberals have no problem with killing unborn innocent babies. They do it all the time and defend their right to do it!

  72. Tina | September 8, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
    Cheering for the death of horrible criminals who kill and torture innocent victims; You bet! Liberals have no problem with killing unborn innocent babies. They do it all the time and defend their right to do it!

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    Amen!

  73. That power outage in San Diego and Arizona sounds a bit creepy for me. I remember reading a statement a while ago (I think at HotAir) about a fear that terrorists have already infiltrated utility companies across the Nation. Could this be a trial on their part. San Diego issued a statement that this wasn’t related to the terror alert put out today….but, nontheless, it’s interesting that parts of 2 border States were put into virtual gridlock in a heartbeat.

    I found that article from hot air, it was back in July of this year.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/21/great-news-violent-extremists-have-infiltrated-public-utilities/

  74. HF: not a coicidence the power was cut. 3 days until Sept 11, high-alert in DC and NY. WHAT DON’T “THEY” WANT US TO SEE??

    Gov’t is looking in the wrong direction. My take is next attack will come through the US-Mexico border. Dig in, time is short. God Help Us.

  75. Ms Helga @ 7:32….I don’t have an answer for you but I have a strange “purple” story for you. This evening on PBS I was watching the rerun of the Nightly News Hour and this Indian anchor they have was wearing a Purple suit, tie, and shirt. I thought “how strange is that for a news anchor to be wearing all that purple.” I was only watching pbs for the floods in mid Pennsylvania.

  76. Free Speech (between 7:00 & 7:30)…I was watching Two and a Half Men too. Yes, Charlie was (acting) drunk. We started watching the reruns of “Men” a half year ago. We Love that perverted show! I will watch Charlie Sheen over bo anyday. Thanks for the minute by minute action from Mark Levin.

  77. Interested Bystander

    FS posted this excerpt from an artlicle he linked too at 8:19:

    “My guess is that Perry is far more of a savvy politician than a true believer, and that he’ll have a lot less trouble than some Democrats currently believe in moving to the center if he does win the nomination. My prediction is that at he’ll wind up as committed to Social Security as any other candidate”

    I suppose that FS believes in what this paragraph means, and that’s why he copied and pasted it.

    I wanted to respond last night, but gladly I am employed and I had to get off to work.

    So here is my “read” of this paragraph:

    Same ol same ol. If you vote for Perry, you will get the same ol, same ol.

    We got it with Reagan, we got it with Bush 41, and we got it with Bush 43.

    It’s time for a REAL plan, not a “kick the can down the road” plan, but a plan that says something like a REAL 1% cut across the board for 8 years will bring us to a balanced budget.

    Not some “compromise” that raises our national debt by 7 TRILLION dollars over the next 10 years, instead of the 10 TRILLION dollar increase if no “compromise” was reached.

    What a joke.

    FS posted it himself, a vote for Perry is a vote for the “status quo”.

    Each of us have to make our minds up as to what we want.

  78. Good Morning. Away for a couple of days. Have a great weekend. Zach

  79. “We got it with Reagan, we got it with Bush 41, and we got it with Bush 43.”

    Funny that you left Socialist Bill Clinton out,

  80. i george | September 9, 2011 at 12:55 am |
    Free Speech (between 7:00 & 7:30)…I was watching Two and a Half Men too. Yes, Charlie was (acting) drunk. We started watching the reruns of “Men” a half year ago. We Love that perverted show! I will watch Charlie Sheen over bo anyday. Thanks for the minute by minute action from Mark Levin.

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    U R Welcome!

  81. @ CQ | September 8, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Is Stewert that liberal stooge on the comedy channel?
    interesting that you value his opinion.

  82. Free Speech | September 9, 2011 at 7:55 am |

    Unfortunately I could not get Levin on my computer and went to the garage TV. Watching Hussein is like watching old film of Hitler on PBS. Spooky!

  83. Pat 1789 | September 9, 2011 at 7:54 am |
    “We got it with Reagan, we got it with Bush 41, and we got it with Bush 43.”

    Funny that you left Socialist Bill Clinton out
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    Pat,

    ib like paxson et al is a hillbo demRat.

  84. Pat,

    Yes, isn’t it striking how the demRats who pretend to be Republicans here are always bashing the Republican frontrunners while promoting fringe candidates who have no chance of winning?

  85. Pat 1789 | September 9, 2011 at 8:01 am |
    Free Speech | September 9, 2011 at 7:55 am |

    Unfortunately I could not get Levin on my computer and went to the garage TV. Watching Hussein is like watching old film of Hitler on PBS. Spooky!

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    Saw Eric Cantor on the morning shows. The Republicans have a good response to bo’s BS.

  86. Pat,

    Yes it is very interesting that ib left clinton off the list of Presidents who pivoted to the center and abandoned core democrat policies in order to get re-elected. No President in modern history betrayed his party’s platform more than clinton. That is one major reason why hillary lost to bo and despite bo’s unpopularity can not beat bo in a demRat primary.

  87. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/276734/bachmanns-response-obamas-speech-katrina-trinko

    Full text of Michele Bachmann’s remarks in response to President Obama’s speech tonight:

  88. Bachmann should replace boehner as Speaker of the House.

  89. bo could not have given his BS to a joint session if boehner hadn’t caved to bo’s demands.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63056.html


    Rep. Michele Bachmann accused President Barack Obama of being “politically paralyzed” and urged lawmakers not to pass the jobs proposal she charged was nothing more than a campaign tactic.

    “This wasn’t at the behest of Congress,” Bachmann told reporters after Obama finished. “This is the president who called 535 members back to hear what I believe was nothing more than a political speech.”

  90. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/the-bachmann-response/

    Apparently Representative Michele Bachmann did not get the memo from House Republican leaders advising them to seek some common ground in responding to President Obama’s proposed $447 billion package of new spending and tax cuts.

    At a news conference to rebut Mr. Obama’s jobs speech, Mrs. Bachmann rejected out of hand Mr. Obama’s plan. Instead she proposed to “massively cut” government and to repeal “job killing regulations.’’

    “Mr. President, what among your proposals was new?’’ she said, according to a transcript released by her Congressional office. “What here hasn’t already been tried and failed before?

    Mrs. Bachmann staged her rebuttal despite Speaker John A. Boehner’s decision that there would be no official Republican response. It was consistent with her history of defying party leadership, which she points to on the campaign trail to establish her credentials as a conservative who won’t back down.

  91. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62997.html


    he key from Miller’s statement was this: “Lots of candidates talk about job creation, but no one has delivered like Rick Perry. Since Rick Perry became governor, Texas has gained more than one million jobs – a stark contrast to the 2.4 million jobs America has lost on President Obama’s watch. After careful consideration I have determined that Gov. Rick Perry is the leader we need to get Michigan and America working again.”

    Continue Reading

    Miller represents Macomb County, a major hub of so-called Reagan Democrats. That, and the fact that she is endorsing in a state where Romney has deep ties, make her a good Perry get.

  92. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/obama-jobs-speech-congress-bad-news-polls-.html

    Speaking on behalf of millions of Americans who’ve grown angry and frustrated over the president’s 32-month ineffective inactivity on the job creation front, President Obama on Thursday told members of Congress they really have to do something about the crummy employment situation — and do it quickly.

    Citing the plight of millions of struggling Americans whose wishes for jobs Obama ignored for most of the 961 days he’s been in office while chasing shinier healthcare and financial reforms, Obama said it was time that Congress stop blaming others. He said it was time members take responsibility for their inaction and halt their phony partisan games and political circus acts that pervade Washington culture.

    Because the Americans Obama hasn’t been listening to are really hurting now. And — who’s….

    ….counting? — but it’s only 424 days until Nov. 6, 2012. No plan yet to pay for Obama’s ideas. But he wants immediate passage of his American Jobs Act anyway.

  93. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/jackie-o-mlk-a-phony-jfk-openly-scorned-a-johnson-presidency/

    Jacqueline Kennedy spoke skeptically of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. She called him “tricky” and a “phony”

    She said King had mocked her husband’s funeral and Cardinal Richard Cushing, who celebrated Mass at the funeral.

    “He made fun of Cardinal Cushing and said that he was drunk at it,” she said. “And things about they almost dropped the coffin. She said King had mocked her husband’s funeral and Cardinal Richard Cushing, who celebrated Mass at the funeral.

    “He made fun of Cardinal Cushing and said that he was drunk at it,” she said. “And things about they almost dropped the coffin. I just can’t see a picture of Martin Luther King without thinking, you know, that man’s terrible.”

  94. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rick-santelli-and-thomas-friedman-tangle-over-social-security-ponzi-scheme/

    On Thursday’s edition of Squawk Box, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman and CNBC’s Rick Santelli traded epithets over whether Social Security was a Ponzi scheme as Governor Rick Perry has argued.

  95. Michelle Obama unhappy, sad during Pres. Jobs Speech – Sourpuss Face

  96. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ap-fact-check-obamas-jobs-plan-paid-for-seems-not/

    OBAMA: “Everything in this bill will be paid for. Everything.”

    THE FACTS: Obama did not spell out exactly how he would pay for the measures contained in his nearly $450 billion American Jobs Act, but said he would send his proposed specifics in a week to the new congressional supercommittee charged with finding budget savings. White House aides suggested that new deficit spending in the near-term to try to promote job creation would be paid for in the future – the “out years,” in legislative jargon – but they did not specify what would be cut or what revenues they would use.

    Essentially, the jobs plan is an IOU from a president and lawmakers who may not even be in office down the road when the bills come due.

  97. It is one thing to be a patriotic individual Christian conservative who believes in a set of core principles and is angry about the predicament that we all face. It is quite another to be a mean spirited individual who goes from conflict to conflict in their own life, lashing out at others.

  98. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/08/bachmann-other-gop-presidential-candidates-slam-obamas-jobs-plan/

    With no official Republican rebuttal to President Obama’s jobs speech Thursday night, Rep. Michele Bachmann, who is running for president, filled the void with a press conference in which she ripped the president’s plan to pieces.

    Perry, who has vaulted to the top of the GOP presidential field since joining it a few weeks ago, said Obama’s plan is “guided by his mistaken belief that we can spend our way to prosperity.”

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who trails only Perry in the polls, released a web video titled “960 Days” that highlights what his campaign calls Obama’s three years of failure to turn around the economy.

    The video shows a clip of the president’s speech Thursday on the 961th day.

    “Mr. President. You are 960 days late,” the narrator says.

    Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who worked in the Obama administration as ambassador to China until earlier this year, said Americans are “tired of President Obama’s empty rhetoric and failed policies; they’re desperately searching for leadership and, above all, results.”

    “Tonight’s list of regurgitated half-measures demonstrates that President Obama fundamentally doesn’t understand how to turn our economy around,” he said.

    Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson said government cannot create jobs.

    “I suspect I am not the only American asking, if a trillion dollars’ worth of stimulus didn’t work, why will another $450 billion do the trick?” he said.

  99. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/210949/20110908/obama-speech-bachmann-cantor-boehner-campaign-2012.htm

    Cantor said Republicans would support “anything that can provide incentives for entrepreneurs to put capital to work.” He mentioned a 2009 Republican plan to reduce taxes for small businesses and said that in listening to Obama’s speech, he “heard some provisions and proposals that could very well match our goals toward that end.”

    But he was quick to emphasize that he would not accept an all-or-nothing jobs plan from the White House that Congress could either take or leave — the type of plan Obama indicated in his speech.

  100. Rob | September 9, 2011 at 10:03 am |

    Thanks

    What the hell was that?

  101. What BS, we know Sorenson wrote that book. All Kennedy’s are liars.

    When do you think BHO is going to compensate Bill Ayers for writing Dreams? Never, Ayers is a sucker.

    “Sorensen, who died last year, was widely regarded as devoted to JFK. Jacqueline Kennedy said the president, out of personal fondness, even gave Sorensen the book’s royalties.”
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/jackie-o-mlk-a-phony-jfk-openly-scorned-a-johnson-presidency/

  102. http://dailyrushbo.com/limbaugh-if-obama-were-white-there-would-be-countless-primary-challenges-against-him/

    LIMBAUGH: If Obama Were White There Would Be Countless Primary Challenges Against Him

  103. http://dailyrushbo.com/limbaugh-if-social-security-isnt-a-ponzi-scheme-then-what-is-it/

    LIMBAUGH: If Social Security Isn’t A Ponzi Scheme Then What Is It?

  104. http://dailyrushbo.com/rush-the-democrats-own-the-cop-killer-vote/

    RUSH: The Democrats Own The ‘Cop Killer’ Vote

  105. http://dailyrushbo.com/limbaugh-rick-perry-was-obviously-the-target-of-both-moderators-during-reagan-library-gop-debate/

    LIMBAUGH: Rick Perry Was Obviously The Target Of Both Moderators During Reagan Library GOP Debate

  106. Interested Bystander

    Pat commented:

    “Funny that you left Socialist Bill Clinton out,”

    The ones I pointed out claimed to be “conservative”, but in reality we got the same ol, same ol.

    THAT’s why I left Billy boy off the list.

  107. http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Despite-Rush-s-praise-Perry-steadfast-in-2012-1687318.php

    Rush Limbaugh delivered a 20-minute monologue extolling the Texas governor as the kind of anti-Washington conservative who could drive Democrats “nuts” and pierce President Barack Obama’s aura of re-election invincibility.

  108. http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-bashes-nbc-for-handling-of-gop-debate-asks-brian-williams-how-do-you-sleep-at-night/

    Limbaugh prefaced his remarks by referring to Williams as a funny person and “good friend,” but then asked Williams how he could sleep at night working for a network that, as Limbaugh argues, has supported President Obama’s policies over the last few years. Limbaugh claimed that during the debate, NBC did everything in its power to “protect Obama.”

  109. I think there are too many vids in this thread. It’s slowing down my computer somewhat.
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    Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 10:09 am |
    It is one thing to be a patriotic individual Christian conservative who believes in a set of core principles and is angry about the predicament that we all face. It is quite another to be a mean spirited individual who goes from conflict to conflict in their own life, lashing out at others.
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    Right you are. I’ve gotten so hot under the collar about all this stuff that i’ve lashed out far too much.

  110. Interested Bystander

    FS Commented:

    “Free Speech | September 9, 2011 at 8:29 am |

    Pat,

    Yes, isn’t it striking how the demRats who pretend to be Republicans here are always bashing the Republican frontrunners while promoting fringe candidates who have no chance of winning?”

    Hey FS,

    Since this comment was obviously directed at me:

    Point out SPECIFICALLY when I commented that I was a Republican?

    I’ll admit that I am CONSERVATIVE, but you can NEVER claim I am Republican.

    And another thing that I will REPEAT until you get it through your thick skull:

    I REFUSE to vote for someone simply because I want to vote for a “winner”. If your feeble brain allows YOU to do this, then so be it. I tried that last time, against my better judgement, simply because I wanted Obama defeated, but I left the voting booth KNOWING that I did MYSELF and MY COUNTRY a disservice.

    Your comment shows your DISloyalty to our Country FS.

    Vote for Perry if you want the same ol, same ol. The article you link to pretty much has that message.

    Reagan caved on spending, no ands, ifs or buts about it. Reaganomics proved that decreasing the tax rates and cutting capital gains taxes increases revenue to the Treasury.

    However, he signed the bills that allowed the Congress to spend more than what even his increased revenue generated, and by the end of his second term, we had record deficits.

    Oh I understand that Reagan is the “conservatives” sacred cow, but history tells us that what I commented above is TRUE. I voted for Reagan TWICE, but looking back he had a chance to actually change HISTORY as far as our SPENDING habits go, and he FAILED miserably. He failed, the House failed and the Senate failed.

    I’m not disappointed that I voted for Reagan, but I AM disappointed that he didn’t prove to be the leader he COULD have been.

    As Levin says:

    “There I said it, and I mean it.”

  111. I bet Rush will be on fire today, lashing out at the demRat MORONS!

  112. Don’t mistake a mean spirit for righteous indignation.

  113. http://sroblog.com/2011/05/18/rush-limbaugh-rick-perry-scares-the-heck-out-of-the-washington-establishment-rush-247-2/

    Republican Party is by no means unified here and the Republican Party, well, the elites in it are as alarmed at the prospect a conservative will get the nomination as are the Democrats alarmed that a conservative could get the Republican nomination.

    There’s no way you’re gonna hear Rick Perry supporting amnesty in any way, shape, manner, or form. He’s solid on that, plus pro-life. Rick Perry stands in opposition to inside the Beltway Washington elites, I don’t care what party they are.

    Rick Perry is a strong fiscal conservative. There are people in Texas that wanted a state income tax. He fought it. Rick Perry’s the guy that tracked these Democrats that left the state down. Remember they ran out, just like the Wisconsin Democrats did.

  114. After bo’s BS Speech, Dow is down 300 points below 11,000.

  115. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Free Speech | September 9, 2011 at 9:54 am |

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/jackie-o-mlk-a-phony-jfk-openly-scorned-a-johnson-presidency/

    Jacqueline Kennedy spoke skeptically of civil rights leader Martin Luther
    King Jr. She called him “tricky” and a “phony”
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    FS – What most people don’t know is that MLK,Jr was a Republican.

    I googled – “Was Martin Luther King, jr. a Republican?” and got the following – http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=gsis%2Ci18n%3Dtrue&cp=41&gs_id=4q&xhr=t&q=Was+Martin+Luther+King,+jr.+a+Republican&pf=p&sclient=psy&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=Was+Martin+Luther+King,+jr.+a+Republican%3F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3e82efc6cc141df0&biw=1542&bih=734

  116. Are libertarians Republicans or even conservatives? I would say they are not. Libertarians are for personal liberty. That includes looking at Playboy magazines, running naked through the streets and watching any violent or female bashing Hollywood movie you want. I would call this hippie dippie and certainly not conservative. Ron Paul’s claim of abolishing the miliary so we can take care of people at home, might sound nice if you live on welfare, but also sounds just like Obama. Ron Paul is a liberal in sheeps clothing who manipulates people into thinking he belongs in the GOP. He does not. That may go for Huntsman as well.

  117. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    PS – It will be fun trying to watch them hide or expunge all that material on MLK,jr

  118. It is hilarious that these demRat morons think that Conservative will believe a thing they say over Rush Limbaugh. LOL!

  119. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    Are libertarians Republicans or even conservatives? I would say they are not. Libertarians are for personal liberty. That includes looking at Playboy magazines, running naked through the streets and watching any violent or female bashing Hollywood movie you want. I would call this hippie dippie and certainly not conservative. Ron Paul’s claim of abolishing the miliary so we can take care of people at home, might sound nice if you live on welfare, but also sounds just like Obama. Ron Paul is a liberal in sheeps clothing who manipulates people into thinking he belongs in the GOP. He does not.
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    I agree.

  120. Mr. Bill(ms. helga) | September 9, 2011 at 12:07 pm |

    Who cares? I certainly don’t!

  121. Tina. Libertarianism absolutely falls under the Conservative umbrella.

  122. http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/08/video-republicans-laugh-when-obama-says-this-isnt-class-warfare/

    Video: Republicans Laugh When Obama Says “This Isn’t Class Warfare”…

  123. Tina. As a recent lifelong Democrat, I can see how you could be confused. Being Conservative is about individual freedom and free will up to the point that you intrude upon somebody else. It is not up to you or me to pick and choose, like a cafeteria menu, the way that another individual should live their life. Up to the point that they intrude upon somebody else. Thus libertarianism (small l) is the main tenet, in the mold of Barry Goldwater, of conservatism.

    Anybody who tells you otherwise is a fraud.

  124. http://reddogreport.com/2011/09/obama-said-pass-this-jobs-bill-now-but-there-is-no-jobs-bill/

    During his speech to the joint session of Congress Thursday night,

    President Obama repeated one phrase over and over and over again;

    “Pass this jobs bill now!”

    The only problem is that Obama did not provide a bill for Congress to pass.

    While President Obama said “pass this bill,” there’s no jobs bill just yet, only bullet points.

    There is no jobs bill because President Obama has no plan to create jobs.

    The President just wanted to address the American people with a bunch of high sounding ideas,

    So he can blame Republicans for the jobs crisis when election day rolls around.

    .

  125. IMHO Paxson, libertarians might as well be the same as my liberal family who loves smoking dope, running around naked in the woods, looking at naked ladies, etc. I personally don’t see the difference between having personal liberty and being a card carrying liberal despite the labels they are giving. The impact, which is what matters, is the same so they really should be a branch of the liberals. Conservatives are for responsibility, working hard, studying hard, dressing modestly and fighting for America, etc. Again IMHO despite what libertarians think.

  126. I should add, many in my liberal family love to get drunk too. I, as a new born conservative with personal values, don’t smoke or drink. Again, IMHO.

  127. It is hilarious that these demRat morons think that Conservative will believe a thing they say. LOL!

  128. I’ll get off my high horse about this in a moment, but did you notice how Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama tried to appeal to their liberal base, they went into bars and showed off how much they could drink. Conservatives stress not to drink or drive or not to drink at all. If I took alcohol away from my liberal brother, he’d call me a Nazi. So again, being a liberal and having the libertarian freedom to drink yourself silly, is basically the same excuse to misbehave.

  129. @FS
    They were laughing at him because he can’t even read the teleprompter correctly, he said “class warfare’s”, plural.

    That’s why the (R) is not offering a response to this idiot, it’s not polite to make fun of retards.

    [http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/08/video-republicans-laugh-when-obama-says-this-isnt-class-warfare/
    Video: Republicans Laugh When Obama Says “This Isn’t Class Warfare”…]

  130. “Conservatives stress not to drink or drive or not to drink at all.”
    We do ?

  131. Pat 1789 | September 9, 2011 at 12:57 pm |

    Just kidding Tina, I’m all for personal responsibility.

  132. I think we need a new label for Huntsman and Ron Paul for these libertarians, CINO, conservatives in name only. Liberals don’t want to fight for America and CINO’s, Paul and Huntsman, want to pull all the troops back. Same thing. CINO.

  133. Tina. Conservatism is about free will. While your familymay do all of that stuff that you mention, what business is it of mine?. As soon as you give the government, as we’ve already done, the ability to pick winners and losers FREE society is lost. THUS FREEDOM IS LOST. I’ll emphasise again the part of free will up to the point that you intrude upon somebody elses free will.

  134. I’m just saying Paxson, libertarism and liberalism sound a lot like the same, IMHO. Liberals are for personal freedom too. They want the freedom to drink, to go to any X rated movie they want, to smoke, to have sex with anyone they want, etc. That is all liberalism. That is their creed. They hated the moral majority. They don’t want wars. They don’t like Israel. It sounds all the same to me no matter how you fluff it. Liberals and Libertarians want personal freedom to misbehave in anyway they want. They want to stop wars and give money to people, listen to Ron Paul. The only difference is that liberals like taxes and liberatarians do not, but liberals don’t like paying taxes either. They just want the rich to be taxed. My point is that despite how libertarians want to label themselves, to me, Ron Paul and his cronies are really liberals in my view. Their policies have the same impact as liberal policies. They’ve come full circle to the point that the ends of the circle touch. So I find it interesting. It’s a different way of looking at it. That’s why my new name for them is CINO.

  135. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 1:15 pm |

    IMHO. Liberals are for personal freedom too. They want the freedom to drink, to go to any X rated movie they want, to smoke, to have sex with anyone they want, etc. That is all liberalism. That is their creed. They hated the moral majority. They don’t want wars. They don’t like Israel. It sounds all the same to me no matter how you fluff it. Liberals and Libertarians want personal freedom to misbehave in anyway they want. They want to stop wars and give money to people, listen to Ron Paul. The only difference is that liberals like taxes and liberatarians do not, but liberals don’t like paying taxes either. They just want the rich to be taxed. My point is that despite how libertarians want to label themselves, to me, Ron Paul and his cronies are really liberals in my view. Their policies have the same impact as liberal policies. They’ve come full circle to the point that the ends of the circle touch. So I find it interesting. It’s a different way of looking at it. That’s why my new name for them is CINO.
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    Tina, I agree. paxson is a LIBERAL demRat hillary supporter.

  136. Ron Paul buries the opposition in NBC/MSNBC poll http://www.huntingtonnews.net/9134

  137. No libertarians do not want free will to misbehave any way that they want. Free will is freedom. The right to self destiny. Thus far you have defined Conservatism as avoiding vices that you deem to be taboo. You then go to define Huntsman and Paul as “CINO”. What evidence do you have that, according to your definition, they don’t live morally righteous lives? You don’t and neither do I, but I’m your narrow definition you have labelled them CINO

  138. It is amazing that no Republican politicians are pointing out that bo has no jobs bill for congress to pass. His regurgitation of the phrase, “Pass this Jobs now,” is a farce. bo HAS NO JOBS BILL!

  139. Of course, James. You prove my point. There is no difference between the far left liberalism of NBC/MSNBC and the far right policies of the Israel bashing, bring the troops home, help out all the people, Ron Paul. Liberals should love him. He sounds like Obama!

  140. Tina,

    paxson is a LIBERAL demRat hillary supporter.

  141. Exactly, FS.

  142. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    Of course, James. You prove my point. There is no difference between the far left liberalism of NBC/MSNBC and the far right policies of the Israel bashing, bring the troops home, help out all the people, Ron Paul. Liberals should love him. He sounds like Obama!

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    I agree. The LIBERAL demRats do love Ron Paul that is why they pretend to be Republicans, Libertarians and/or Conservatives and promote him here.

  143. Ron Paul = Obama = let’s bring the troops home
    Ron Paul = Obama = don’t worry about Iran
    Ron Paul = Obama = illegals are no big deal
    Ron Paul = Obama = lack of support for Israel

  144. It is difficult to fight this battle when people don’t even know what we are fighting for, that being the individual free will to self destiny.

    We have mean spirited individuals, all wrapped up in self righteous indignation, who operate by no set of core principles. We see this daily in the shape shifting of ideas and opinions of would be leaders. They have no guidelines with which to manage their ideas, thus don’t care if they appear to be hypocritical or squishy.

    These individuals amongst us are a test of our own ideals.

  145. The Republicans should counter bo’s BS about passing his non-existant “jobs bill” by demanding that the Jobs Bills that the Republicans have already WRITTEN & FILED NOW! and DEMAND that bo SIGN THE REPUBLICANS JOBS BILLS NOW!

  146. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    Ron Paul = Obama = let’s bring the troops home
    Ron Paul = Obama = don’t worry about Iran
    Ron Paul = Obama = illegals are no big deal
    Ron Paul = Obama = lack of support for Israel

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    Exactly

  147. I’m not a Ron Paul supporter because I find his foreign policy ideas to Be short sited and naive. Although I agree with many of his pure libertarian ide

  148. In addition, although I believe in many of Paul:s libertarian ideas philosophically, I find him to speak too much in generalities and not in the real world impact should his ideas come to fruition. Not to mention the fact that he is short on the action steps on how to get “from here to there”. What impact would the implementation of his ideas have on society at large (especially with life savings etc. Should the Fed collapse overnight ).

    You see Tina, some here try to make this entirely about their viewpoints of an individual’s character whom they disagree with. Life is much more complex than that. Don’t let yourself be guided by social misfits who have no guiding principles.

  149. Paxson – I am sorry if you think I am mean spirited. That’s not what I feel this blog is about. I just see a side of Ron Paul supporters, who perhaps don’t really think about what he has to say, or perhaps who do, which to me is not true blue conservatism and is much like liberalism in a great sense.

    Anyway, have a great afternoon everyone. Catch you later.

  150. Tina. I didn’t call YOU mean spirited. Only you know your own intentions. I was specifically referring to an individual who posts here who has no beliefs in ideas and only chooses to malign characters with whom they disagree. (Even if those disagreements are real or imagined ). This individual is void of character, has no core principles with which to use as a guide, and is only on this earth to cause strife around them. This person constantly shape shifts in order to win the argument at hand and cares not what has happened in the past or may happen in the future.

  151. http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/09/09/obamas-uncle-released-from-jail/

    Obama was released from jail yesterday, although it’s still unclear what triggered the release, the Boston Globe reports.

    Federal immigration officials declined to say whether the 67-year-old Framingham, Mass. resident posted bond, whether they are keeping track of his whereabouts, or whether they are still seeking his deportation, according to the Globe.

  152. Confirmed: White House Officials Sat In On Solyndra Meetings

    Top Obama bundler George Kaiser made multiple visits to the White House in the months before the company was granted a $535 million loan from the government. And top Solyndra officials also made numerous visits — 20 — to the White House, according to logs and reporting by The Daily Caller. Solyndra officials in the logs included chairman and founder Christian Gronet and board members Thomas Baruch and David Prend. The company secured the $535 million loan despite the fact that it was widely known Solyndra was in deep economic trouble and had negative cash flows since its inception.

    Kaiser said he did not use political influence or talk to administration officials about a massive government loan to Solyndra.

    READ MORE…….
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/confirmed-white-house-officials-sat-in-on-solyndra-meetings/

  153. Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 2:09 pm |

    Paxson, this board will not improve as long as the turd is floating in the punchbowl. The fact that the known demRat operative, sent to undermine this forum, is now spamming love notes re Perry is a big red flag. Why is a demRat undercover op pushing Perry? Why the rush to crown him, while shouting down any attempt to look under the hood? In his usual Alinsky style FS points finger away from himself and uses ridicule, calls you and anyone else trying to look under the hood demRats, in order to rope a dope like Tina (no offense Tina, but seriously, get a clue!)

    FS, you’re not fooling those who’ve paid attention.

  154. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63054.html

    On the website, and an accompanying video, Romney charges that during Obama’s three years in office, he has failed to turn around an ailing economy.

    “Mr. President, you are 960 days too late,” the video says.

    Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum echoed Romney’s charge that Obama’s speech, which called on Congress to end the “political circus,” was just more of the same empty rhetoric.

    “Sadly, the president seems to have forgotten his own charge that our country should come before party or his own even reelection,” Santorum said. ” Instead, President Obama kicked off his campaign for reelection in the most disingenuous way possible – by using the Congress as a his political toy.”

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry was out with his own response, lambasting Obama for “his mistaken belief that we can spend our way to prosperity.”

    “Like the president’s earlier $800 billion stimulus program, this proposal offers little hope for millions of Americans who have lost jobs on his watch, and taxpayers who are rightly concerned that their children will inherit a mountain of debt,” Perry said in a statement.

    On Twitter, Jon Huntsman used Obama’s speech to plug his own recently released jobs plan.

    “Barack Obama’s tired rhetoric & failed policies haven’t worked. My plan will actually create jobs. Join us,” he tweeted, linking to his proposal.

    Newt Gingrich had more of a procedural issue with Obama’s speech, in which the president repeatedly called on Congress to approve his American Jobs Act.

    “I checked with Speaker Boehner’s office. There is no bill,” Gingrich said on a conference call with supporters on Thursday evening.

    Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann slammed Obama for delivering “another political speech.”

    “Every time the president speaks, his policies have cost the American people jobs and future prosperity,” she said.

  155. Gingrich got it right.

    CONGRESS CAN NOT PASS A BILL THAT DOES NOT EXIST!
    REPUBLICANS NEED TO TURN THE TABLES ON bo AND DEMAND THAT THE demRats PASS & bo SIGN THE JOBS BILLS THAT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN AND FILED!

  156. Interested Bystander

    Tina commented:

    “Ron Paul = Obama = let’s bring the troops home”

    Look, the purpose of war is to destroy the enemy as quickly as possible and with so much power that they surrender unconditionally, and then leave them to clean up the pieces. There’s simply no other way to fight a war. When you have the reputation of fighting a war in this manner, I’d bet that you wouldn’t get “messed” with.

    The way that “your” side wants to fight wars does nothing but cause our troops MORE casualties.

    Being in Afghanistan for almost a decade now, after we had the war won and then “stood down” is ridiculous.

    Tina next comments:

    “Ron Paul = Obama = don’t worry about Iran”

    This is just a ridiculous statement. Paul policy isn’t “don’t worry about Iran”.

    Paul’s policy is until such a time that Iran AGRESSES against us, they have every right as a sovereign state to conduct business as such.

    Are you suggesting a pre-emptive strike against Iran?

    Tina goes on:

    “Ron Paul = Obama = illegals are no big deal”

    Again, not a fair assesment of Paul’s policy about the border. Paul’s policy is to take the troops out conducting these “politically correct” wars and secure the border. Illegals crossing the border is DEFINATELY a national security matter, don’t you agree?

    Every day more and more people are crossing the border (invading). I could care less what their motives are, if you cross the border illegally, YOU are a threat to this Country’s sovereignty and if there’s ONE responsibilty of our Government, it is to ensure our sovereignty.

    And finally Tina concludes:

    “Ron Paul = Obama = lack of support for Israel”

    Again, this is simply an unfair review of Paul’s policy regarding Israel.

    Again, Israel is a sovereign State, and should be accountable for their own sustainment.

    Paul’s stance is that ALL foreign aid needs to be stopped (and I agree). Because of this he is deemed anti Israel.

    It is just an unfair assesment of his view of Israel.

    Lastly I will end with this:

    Tina,

    Your view of conservatism is completely different than mine.

    My view of conservatism is as Paxson states, as long as I do NOT infringe on someone else’s RIGHTS, then whose business is it if I do whatever I want?

    I and I alone am responsible for my well being, my housing, my financial responsibilities and so on.

    If I want to sit at home and shoot up heroin and watch porn, as long as I do it in the privacy of my own home, whose business is it (other than my family, who I would hope would point out my “problem”)

    It’s not society’s responsibility to DICTATE to me what is acceptable and what is not (again, so long as I do NOT infringe on someone else’s RIGHTS, not “feelings” as has been indoctrinated in to us)

    Here’s a good example in my opinion:

    Say you’re standing around talking and someone overhears you saying to another employee that you think they are “hot”.

    You could get in trouble because the employee could sue the employer for allowing such talk to take place (creating a hostile work place).

    You have a RIGHT to free speech, and should be allowed to say whatever you want so long as you don’t infringe upon someone else’s RIGHTS. How you infringe on someone else’s rights by speaking words simply does not compute in my brain.

    You can hurt someone’s “feelings”, but you are NOT infringing on their rights. Thier RIGHTS would be to simply take in to account who said it and write it off, or confront that person and tell them that you don’t appreciate their words.

    There is NO RIGHT NOT to be offended. It simply does NOT exsist.

    Conservatism isn’t about morals, it’s about the idea that each INDIVIDUAL should be responsible for what their morals are (again, as long as those morals do NOT infringe on other people’s rights).

    At least that’s my opinion of what being “conservative” is.

    You suggest that liberals are the ones who are for letting people have individual liberities.

    On that let me ask you this:

    Name me one instance where a conservative group tried to keep something out of school?

    It’s liberal groups that restrict what can be read, taught and learned in our schools. As a conservative, I want ALL views to be taught, and allow the INDIVIDUAL to decide which position they agree with.

    Liberal groups have been sucessful in removing any number of things from our schools including “God” (this coming from an agnostic keep in mind), and the pledge of allegiance to name just a couple.

    Liberal groups have been sucessful in even dictating what is TAUGHT to our kids. In my opinion this should be left up to the COMMUNITY.

    I know, I’m a radical, but I really wear that lable PROUDLY.

  157. That’s right IB. How can we fight a battle when people on our side don’t even know what we are fighting for? Including an attorney who claims to be an authority on everything. Conservatism isn’t about giving the government the right to look in our neighbor’s windows. It’s to keep them from looking into ours. Libertarianism (small l) is the very foundation of Conservatism.

  158. Like the rest of you, I’m filled to the hilt with Free Speech’s continuous posts about Ron Perry but I just scroll past them. There are a few others here with their own agenda and I scroll past them too. Mr. Wells has provided this forum for all of us to share information and pretty much gives us free rein.

    It’s a fact that FS acts like a jerk and calls people obots and demRats. I’ve told him several times that his conduct is disturbing and he responds by repeating the same behavior. Reacting to his rants and name-calling is just feeding fuel to the fire. He relishes the negative attention. I think most of us here will agree that he exhibits some mental health issues. If that be the case then the best thing to do is ignore him when he spews insults. It is hard to do, but you must consider the source. Anyone with an ounce of common sense should be aware that returning insults only aggravates the situation. You all need to stop the infighting.

    Oldsalt said yesterday “I think it is a waste of time and energy to even argue with a mental robot,that has a loose screw. The saddest part of it all is that very often I find the robot saying things that MAKE SENSE,and even seem to be well founded statements”. So if you’re annoyed at me when I say ignore Free Speech’s’ rants, maybe you’ll take oldsalt’s wise advice. We’re both saying the same thing.

  159. Jonah. I hear you. I just happen to be the brunt of the nastiness. If that were it alone, I would ignore him. But when I heat him agreeing with Tina that Conservatism is a function of social mores, rather than guiding principles of self determination, I feel as though he is here to disrupt true conservative dialogue. So if that it the case, why not point out the idiocy and lack of principles that he promotes

    In addition, we aren’t annointing a king in 2012. We are electing a flesh and blood human being as a leader. You’d think that it were the former.

  160. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I’d like to make this point also:

    Unions once had their day, and that day has been taken over by the Government.

    Look at it this way,

    Say you have plant “A” across the street from plant “B”.

    Plant “A”‘s employees have a meeting and come to the consensus that they’d like cup holders at every work station. Representatives are elected and they confront management stating if cup holders aren’t supplied there will be a work stoppage.

    Either the employer allows the cup holders, or the employees go through with their work stoppage until management relents and allows the cup holders.

    Plant “B” employees see what “power” united emplyees have and request something that they deem they need.

    What is needed in plant “A” may be something totally different than what is needed in plant “B”.

    THAT’s the way it should work.

    The way it DOES work is that the Government DICTATES to BOTH employers what is needed, and takes the “power” away from the employees. The Government’s intention was genuine, but in reality what it does is it LIMITS each factory’s employees “power”. Just look at who was sitting in the President’s booth last night.

    Unleash the free market from unneeded, unwanted and unnecessary regulations and watch our Country thrive. I think the President mentioned 500 regulations that have been identified. Out of the millions of pages of regulations, these 500 are a drop in the bucket.

    Conservatives are NOT the ones who have brought these regulations on businesses (and individuals also), it is liberals. Maybe you believe a “little” regulation is good. “Little” regulation went out the door a long time ago. It’s best to allow the free market to dictate, and NOT the Government.

    NO regulation is better than regulation gone wild.

    Just my view.

  161. Paxson | March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm |

    “Hillary… is looking like Barry frigging Goldwater to me right now. She’s the only grown up in the room and…there is no doubt that she is an American and loves our country…”
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    Free Speech | September 9, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    Tina,

    paxson is a LIBERAL demRat hillary supporter.
    —————————————————————

    Tina | September 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    Exactly, FS.

  162. Interested Bystander

    “Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 4:17 pm |”

    Your comment is right on the point.

    You’d think that someone who has been a life long democrat, and even ran for office as a democrat would stand back and LEARN what being a conservative is all about.

    Instead he tries to indoctrinate us with his tripe.

  163. Paxson | March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm |

    “Hillary… is looking like Barry frigging Goldwater to me right now. She’s the only grown up in the room and…there is no doubt that she is an American and loves our country…”
    ——————————————————

    Free Speech | September 9, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    Tina,

    paxson is a LIBERAL demRat hillary supporter.
    —————————————————————

    Tina | September 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    Exactly, FS.

  164. If I were one of the other candidates I’d bring up Perry mandating the hpv vaccine. This is NWO stuff that he needs to be held accountable for before we give him the nomination….I’m not anti Perry, but there is a list of things that concerns me. Mandating that vaccine is a big one.

  165. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/08/2012-gop-candidates-react-to-obamas-speech-on-jobs/

    Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann

    “Unfortunately it seems that every time the president of the United States speaks his policies have cost the American people both jobs and future prosperity. Tonight the president, under the veil of one of the most sacred deliberative forums, a joint session of congress, delivered yet one more political speech where he doubled down on more of the same policies that are killing the United States economy. Mr. President, what among your proposals was new?”

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry

    “President Obama’s call for nearly a half-trillion dollars in more government stimulus when America has more than $14 trillion in debt is guided by his mistaken belief that we can spend our way to prosperity.

    “Like the president’s earlier $800 billion stimulus program, this proposal offers little hope for millions of Americans who have lost jobs on his watch, and taxpayers who are rightly concerned that their children will inherit a mountain of debt.

    “America needs jobs, smaller government, less spending and a president with the courage to offer more than yet another speech.”

    Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman

    “The American people are tired of President Obama’s empty rhetoric and failed policies; they’re desperately searching for leadership and, above all, results. Tonight’s list of regurgitated half-measures demonstrates that President Obama fundamentally doesn’t understand how to turn our economy around.

    “Rather than tinker with a broken and outdated tax system, I propose bold reform which eliminates loopholes, special interest carve-outs and subsidies, while lowering rates across the board to make our tax code flatter, fairer, simpler and more conducive to growth.”

    “President Obama has failed. It’s time for America to compete again. We did it in Utah and we can do it for America.”

    Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney launches new website

    http://www.obamaisntworking.com

    “I’m a conservative businessman. And that is what America needs if we’re going to get our economy going. I put out a booklet which describes the things I’d do to get this economy going again. There are 59 different steps that have to be taken. And President Obama, there’s no way he could do something like that because he just doesn’t understand it.”

    Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum

    “Many say the President is a failure, but I disagree – he’d have to improve a whole lot to even be considered a failure. The President’s speech tonight was more of the same failed policies and empty rhetoric that got him elected and got us in this mess. Sadly, the President seems to have forgotten his own charge that our country should come before party or his own even re-election.

    Instead President Obama kicked off his campaign for reelection in the most disingenuous way possible – by using the Congress as a his political toy. His failed plan to spend over $400 billion more that we do not have, create further tax instability for workers and employers alike, and use federal tax dollars to prop up government is only made worse by the political theater we saw tonight.

    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich

    “The president just got some of his facts wrong tonight.”

    “All the ideas that didn’t work with 800 billion dollars he now wants to try to get it to work with 400 billion. He has zero pay-fors. He’s got to quit being a candidate, and actually be president for awhile.”

  166. Yes FS. You and Tina can continue to define conservatism as not living like her liberal family with all of their booze, pot and pornography. The rest of us here will understand itfrom the mold of Barry Goldwater in small l, libertarianism and a set of core principles that guide self determination.

  167. On Hannity–Frank Luntz: Anger with Washington has never been as deep as it is now.

  168. Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    ===================================
    Yeah, I know it’s easy for me to ignore him because I’m not the brunt of his insults. But attention is what he wants and you play right into his hands. I admit that I like Free Speech when he’s coherent. And I despise him when he’s verbally abusive to you, and especially Cabby.

    I respectfully disagree with your views on being Conservative. I lean more to Tina’s way of thinking. If you have time, take this test and come back and tell us how you come out. You may be more liberal than you think.
    http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php

  169. On Hannity–Frank Luntz: bo’s Speech was perceived as empty.

  170. On Hannity–Frank Luntz: Republicans are grateful that Rick Perry is raising Social Security as an issue.

  171. On Hannity–Frank Luntz: Rick Perry needs to say “No more empty promises. You have the right to know the truth.”

  172. On Hannity–Frank Luntz: Focus Group thought that Perry did better than Romney.

  173. paxson and the rest of the demRats need to crawl back in the anti-CW demRat hole that they crawled out of.

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    Paxson | March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm |

    “Hillary… is looking like Barry frigging Goldwater to me right now. She’s the only grown up in the room and…there is no doubt that she is an American and loves our country…”
    ——————————————————

    Free Speech | September 9, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    Tina,

    paxson is a LIBERAL demRat hillary supporter.
    —————————————————————

    Tina | September 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    Exactly, FS.

  174. Jonah. You are co-mingling personal behavior with a system of governence that is laissez-faire at it’s core (to the extent that it can be ). I submit to you that big government “conservatives ” are equally as bad as big government liberals.

  175. Like I said before google and search!They are using different screen names!Hello!!!!!
    http://theregulator.net/?p=9830#respond

    Read the comments and notice how they are the same.

  176. …and you FS need to go brush up on what conservatism stands for ….and it isn’t to fulfill your lust for men with “broad shoulders, coiffed hair …and easy on the eyes” like you posted a few days ago.

  177. I agree with Frank Luntz. President Perry should have Newt Gingrich in his administration.

  178. The answer is a matter of simplicity,

    If any Republican does not address the Constitutional crises pertaining to the largest fraud ever committed in the United States, they will not be elected. Plain and simple.

    Notice how Rove and the media declare that Perry and a few other need to “Appeal” to those in appeasement to the left such as Latinos, Asians, African Americans, and “reach across the Isle” to “Appeal to the voters in order to be “Electable”?

    Folks, that’s the problem in itself to begin with. Re-read the above until it sinks in; “Appeal to the voting gender” to get elected? Screw the Constitution, screw the citizens, just – appear to be a likable kind of guy.
    You have got to be kidding me.

    A Democrats socialists dream come true, through infiltration and magical transformation.

    Split the vote, or no vote. Either way, they will get the message.

  179. http://news.yahoo.com/chris-matthews-agrees-rick-perry-social-security-ponzi-192200890.html

    ……Chris Matthews Agrees with Rick Perry: Social Security Is a Ponzi Scheme

  180. After the Jobs Speech, “It’s all paid for”. Obama. The Senate approved 500 billion more to debt limit increase. The question now is will the Dems even need a bill before Congress or just under-the-table the funds to employ their constiuents. “It’s ownly, just a paper moon”. http://www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2011/09/09/senate-dems-approve-another-500-billion-debt-limit-increase

  181. Matthews’ agreeing with Gov Perry must send shivers up boHillary spineless backs.

    http://news.yahoo.com/chris-matthews-agrees-rick-perry-social-security-ponzi-192200890.html

    Chris Matthews Agrees with Rick Perry: Social Security Is a Ponzi Scheme

  182. Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    Jonah. You are co-mingling personal behavior with a system of governence that is laissez-faire at it’s core (to the extent that it can be ). I submit to you that big government “conservatives ” are equally as bad as big government liberals.
    ===================================
    Paxson,
    So how’d you do on the test? Results how I’m a Conservative.

  183. Jonah. I’m not going to take a subjective test that defines a person’s political beliefs based on a bunch of self serving questions. I’ve taken similar tests in the past.

    The point that I was trying to make is that a laissez-faire government is libertarian at it’s core ( to the extent that it can be ). One of the problems that the other side has with conservatives is that they think that we are going to spend all of our time legislating morality. When that should be the furthest thing from the truth if you are a true conservative.

  184. http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolkinseygoman/2011/09/09/body-language-advice-for-rick-perry/2/

    And if you still think this “superficial stuff” doesn’t have an impact on the observer, consider this remark by Johathan Chait in The National Review: “In my view, Perry established his alpha male style, and that impression will matter more than any position or statement he’s made.”

    And note this response from a California viewer who told a local media outlet, “I’d vote for Rick Perry. He looks like Ronald Reagan.”

  185. Paxson,

    True Conservatives put God and family first.
    They tend to do the “right thing” as opposed to doing “your own thing”

    Aren’t you one of the Glenn Beck fans who comment here?

  186. Jonha. On a personal level, many conservatives put God and family first (rather than government ). I certainly try to do my best. But it is not the role of government to ensure that I put God or family first, nor dictate how I am to live my life. Up to the point that I intrude upon someone else.

  187. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/david-stockman-criticizes-obamas-jobs-plan-economists-cheer/story?id=14476449

    David Stockman, former director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Ronald Reagan, was skeptical of the plan.

    “This should scare the living daylights out of investors–it’s just more Keynesian poison,” Stockman said. “Obama lectured us about the simple math, but the part of that he still doesn’t get is that Uncle Sam is broke, and that we can’t afford one more dime for his stimulus 6.0 plan.”

    Stockman said there is no multiplier effect in a “debt-saturated economy” like the current one. That is, the effect of a change in taxes will not be multiplied in other parts of the economy, say consumer spending.

    “The money will go through the economy in a flash and leave nothing behind except a half-trillion dollars of more debt to our children,” he said.

    Stockman called the $175 billion payroll tax holiday for workers “the Big Fiscal Lie.”

    “Unfortunately, workers need to pay every dime of currently scheduled taxes to fund Social Security and the other big government programs their representatives keep supporting,” he said. “You don’t get extra pocket money for Happy Meals you shouldn’t have and Under Armour you don’t need just because someone is trying to save a job at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.”

  188. Interested Bystander

    “Jonah | September 9, 2011 at 6:41 pm |

    Paxson,

    True Conservatives put God and family first.
    They tend to do the “right thing” as opposed to doing “your own thing”

    Aren’t you one of the Glenn Beck fans who comment here?”

    Jonah,

    Even though your comment was directed at Paxson, I hope you don’t mind if I give my two cents:

    It is my belief that everyone, no matter what your political leanings, should do the “right thing”, however it’s how YOU define what is “right” for you that is important.

    I don’t judge ANYONE for their material possesions, social standing or moral behavior.

    It’s when those people who do NOT chose to do the right thing, and expect the Government to give them a “hand up” that we differ.

    No matter what YOUR choices are, they are YOURS and YOU should be held responsible for them.

    Call me “cold” or whatever you want, our Government was never intended to be a “safety net”.

  189. Interested Bystander

    Jonah,

    I scored “libertarian” on your test.

  190. Since my family have been card carrying liberals since the dawn of time, marched with The hippies, etc, I know what a liberal is, I regret. The root word of liberal and libertarian is liberty. You can pontificate all you want that Libertarians are not liberals, but really you want the same thing, personal liberty. That is why so many liberals like Ron Paul. Liberals want to do anything they want too. That is the whole point unless you don’t know liberals well.

    Conservatives believe in morales. They don’t do anything they want. They control their impulses. They listen to God and behave accordingly, if you are a true conservative. many don’t drink or smoke. They love America, fight for America, protect America, stand up for what is right in protecting our friends like Israel, etc. Liberals and libertarians want to whoop it up with sex, drugs, terrible movies, smoking and drinking as much as they want, at least that is what they can do with their selfish personal liberty. Now certain folks may behave better than that, but still this personal misbehavior is the definition of doing what you want with no restrictions. That is my point. That liberal and libertarian is almost the same. just see it from the root of both words.

    Now while I like Rick Perry, I certainly will accept others in the GOP with the exception of Ron Paul and possibly, Huntsman, because he is a liberal and a libertarian, but we should look at all their positions and make a careful consideration. That is my point, and why I am bringing this up. Think outside of your normal comfort zones and realize what things will really do to America if we elect Ron Paul, etc.

  191. Tina
    With all due respect you are con mingling personal behavior with a system of governence. Why should I care what your liberal family members do in their free time? They have absolutely no effect on my and it is none of my business. Also, libertarianism is a form of “classic liberalism ” in the Edmund Burke sense. Classic liberalism is the root of conservative thought. So while the words sound similar, their meanings are completely different in today’s vernacular.

  192. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
    Since my family have been card carrying liberals since the dawn of time, marched with The hippies, etc, I know what a liberal is, I regret. The root word of liberal and libertarian is liberty. You can pontificate all you want that Libertarians are not liberals, but really you want the same thing, personal liberty. That is why so many liberals like Ron Paul. Liberals want to do anything they want too. That is the whole point unless you don’t know liberals well.

    Conservatives believe in morales. They don’t do anything they want. They control their impulses. They listen to God and behave accordingly, if you are a true conservative. many don’t drink or smoke. They love America, fight for America, protect America, stand up for what is right in protecting our friends like Israel, etc. Liberals and libertarians want to whoop it up with sex, drugs, terrible movies, smoking and drinking as much as they want, at least that is what they can do with their selfish personal liberty. Now certain folks may behave better than that, but still this personal misbehavior is the definition of doing what you want with no restrictions. That is my point. That liberal and libertarian is almost the same. just see it from the root of both words.

    Now while I like Rick Perry, I certainly will accept others in the GOP with the exception of Ron Paul and possibly, Huntsman, because he is a liberal and a libertarian, but we should look at all their positions and make a careful consideration
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    I agree.

  193. The point is that they bring us the same thing, bringing the troops home, abandoning our friends, a desire for me, rather than we. libertarians care about themselves and their personal right to do what the wish. Conservatives care about others. I know all about Burke more than you realize. If you’re in a sinking boat, the liberal and libertarian will save themselves first. it is all about them. The conservative will help others first and then help themselves, but then they will do everything they can to help themself. these two styles control the way they govern.

  194. Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
    I certainly try to do my best. But it is not the role of government to ensure that I put God or family first, nor dictate how I am to live my life. Up to the point that I intrude upon someone else.
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    Spoken like a true Libertarian. 🙂

  195. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 7:47 pm |
    The point is that they bring us the same thing, bringing the troops home, abandoning our friends, a desire for me, rather than we. libertarians care about themselves and their personal right to do what the wish. Conservatives care about others. I know all about Burke more than you realize. If you’re in a sinking boat, the liberal and libertarian will save themselves first. it is all about them. The conservative will help others first and then help themselves, but then they will do everything they can to help themself. these two styles control the way they govern.
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    Well said. I agree.

  196. Interested Bystander | September 9, 2011 at 7:08 pm |

    I don’t judge ANYONE for their material possesions, social standing or moral behavior.
    It’s when those people who do NOT chose to do the right thing, and expect the Government to give them a “hand up” that we differ.
    No matter what YOUR choices are, they are YOURS and YOU should be held responsible for them.
    Call me “cold” or whatever you want, our Government was never intended to be a “safety net”.
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    IB,
    I agree.

    However, God does not call us to judge one another. He reveals to us right from wrong but he is the judge. Do we always do what’s right? No, we all fall short. We are far from perfect. But we can have salvation.

  197. So now after pretending to be “conservative/republicans” the LIBERAL demRats are now claiming to be Libertarians. Evidently since no LIBERAL has a chance of winning the Republican nomination, the LIBERAL demRat poseurs are going all in for the next best thing for them, ron paul. LOL!

  198. Interested Bystander | September 9, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
    Jonah,
    I scored “libertarian” on your test.
    ===========================
    IB,
    It’s not MY test. Glenn Beck linked to it from his website. He even talked about the Nolan Chart Categories on his show one day. By the comments, others thought they were Conservatives but were actually Libertarian.

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/36981/

  199. http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2011/09/08/ron-paul-is-crazy/

    Until last night’s debate I’d never had the full Ron Paul experience. I’m not sure I want to again. Not only is Paul not very bright (no a dime at 2.268 grams is not worth $3.50, no the US is not spending $20 billion per year on air conditioning in Iraq and Afghanistan) and exceedingly unpleasant (as a non-practicing MD who refused to take Medicare or Medicaid you aren’t an authority on health care) but he is just bat-crap crazy.

    When opining on border security, Ron Paul saw a downside that had eluded most of us. While we were all down in the weeds concentrating on cost, feasibility, etc., Doctor Paul saw the big picture. The wall is like the Iron Curtain all over again.

    “Every time you think about this toughness on the border and ID cards and REAL IDs, think it’s a penalty against the American people too. I think this fence business is designed and may well be used against us and keep us in

  200. Tina
    You are a pro Israel Democrat with no place to go. Republicans do not care how your degenerate family lives their lives as long as they don’t affect us
    Also, I never said that Conservatives don’t care about their fellow man we just believe that charity should be mostly private
    …you seem to want the government to intrude into our lives to legislate morality and take care of people who chronically make bad decisions. That is not Republican. It is about the level of government involvement.
    We see a slippery slope with too much government intrusion.

    FS is also a malcontent Democrat, judging by his response.

  201. Call me “cold” or whatever you want, our Government was never intended to be a “safety net”.

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    The constitution allows Congress to tax and to create a budget for the common good. the founding fathers said no taxation without representation, but with a vote you can tax under our government. The point is, conservatives want the taxes low and spent wisely and they want a balanced budget. the point is things are out of control. we need someone with experience who can grow jobs so we can lower the safety net as much as possible and reduce the size of government overall.

  202. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/04/crazy-ron-paul-still-blames-the-us-for-islamic-extremism-video/

    Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) told Sean Hannity tonight that he will announce his intent to run for President of the United States tomorrow.

    Ron Paul also praised notorious anti-Semite Michael Scheuer as someone he respects on foreign policy.

    And, of course, Ron Paul still blames the United States for Islamic extremism.

  203. Ron Paul also praised notorious anti-Semite Michael Scheuer as someone he respects on foreign policy.

    And, of course, Ron Paul still blames the United States for Islamic extremism.
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    I agree, FS, very sad.

  204. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 8:24 pm |

    The constitution allows Congress to tax and to create a budget for the common good. the founding fathers said no taxation without representation, but with a vote you can tax under our government. The point is, conservatives want the taxes low and spent wisely and they want a balanced budget. the point is things are out of control. we need someone with experience who can grow jobs so we can lower the safety net as much as possible and reduce the size of government overall.

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    Exactly.

  205. ron paul’s support is comprised primarily of lunatic anarchists and Liberal demRats like paxson who want to denigrate the Republican Party. However, these two categories of ron paul supporters are distinctions without a difference.

  206. However, these two categories of Ron Paul supporters are distinctions without a difference.

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    Totally agree, FS, and the ones who are saying the opposite don’t seem to put forth anyone, but Ron Paul. They are not discussing the qualifications of anyone else. Let us have a discussion on all the GOP candidates. Rick Santorum is a strong conservative too. Why just constantly shout for Ron Paul?

  207. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    However, these two categories of Ron Paul supporters are distinctions without a difference.

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    Totally agree, FS, and the ones who are saying the opposite don’t seem to put forth anyone, but Ron Paul. They are not discussing the qualifications of anyone else. Let us have a discussion on all the GOP candidates. Rick Santorum is a strong conservative too. Why just constantly shout for Ron Paul?

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    The demRats here keep discussing ron paul as a means of belittling the Republican Party. I honestly did not know how crazy ron paul was until I saw the debate Wednesday. I haven’t researched the candidates who have little or no chance of winning. I have heard that Santorum is a good man but I don’t know much about him.

    IMHO the important thing is except for ron paul the Republicans have an excellent field of candidates and after Wednesday I am pleased to say I would support whoever wins the nomination. I expect the winner will be Romney or Perry.

  208. Former Dems who see the light and turn conservative, tend to make great Presidents, like Reagan. I think it is time for another one.

  209. The person in this video is a professor (Ph.D.) at Yavapai College in Prescott, Arizona. He puts a different spin on what Obama is doing to Arizona.

  210. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 9:08 pm |
    Former Dems who see the light and turn conservative, tend to make great Presidents, like Reagan. I think it is time for another one.

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    I agree. I think both President Reagan and Gov Perry were always conservatives, but as a result of the political environments that they grew up in they were conditioned to be democrats. They thought they could be conservatives in the democrat party. Of course, we now know that conservatives can not exist in the demRat party and the demRat party can not be saved from fatal liberalism. After 2012, I expect the demRat party will become just another fringe party like the Libertarian party or the communist party.

  211. Ron Paul, the poster geezer for loony gasbags.

  212. Ronald Reagan believed in limited government like I do. He did not believe that being “conservative” was a lifestyle choice, it was an approach to governing. He didn’t believe in the over reach of government into people’s lives.

    Let me take off my shoes and socks to explain this to you in simple terms. Republicans and conservatives believe in less government intrusion into our households. Democrats and liberals believe in more government intrusion into our lives.

    For instance, a conservative would never intrude into my family to MANDATE that my daughter take an untested hpv vaccine.

  213. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/09/MN0A1L2G7G.DTL

    As Texas Gov. Rick Perry finished his first presidential campaign road trip through California with a Silicon Valley fundraising stop Friday, the kind of “provocative” speech that is enraging his opponents – such as his description of Social Security as as “Ponzi scheme” – is what what endears him to his conservative supporters.

    “He’s right – it is a Ponzi scheme,” said John Warner, an Orange County resident and retired CEO of a surf clothing company who attended Perry’s event this week in Corona del Mar. “Now, he’s got to explain to people why that is, in a better way, using some numbers. But he’s right.”

    Unlike the more tightly-scripted Mitt Romney, who has done few retail political events during his California fundraising swings, supporters see in Perry a personable straight-talker, unencumbered by political niceties.

    As Romney-turned-Perry supporter Warner said, Romney’s “campaign seems too nervous about everything.”

    “Some inflammatory rhetoric – sometimes it proves your point,” Orange County Supervisor Shawn Nelson said Thursday in introducing Perry at an event in Corona del Mar. “When an organization promises to give away more than what we mathematically know it takes in, what do you call it?”

    Romney’s campaign has pounced on the comments, saying that Perry wants to “abolish” Social Security. Romney himself told conservative commentator Sean Hannity that if Republicans nominate someone Democrats can label as opposing Social Security “we will be obliterated as a party.”

    On Thursday, Perry told The Chronicle that was “misinformation,” that he merely wants to fix the system.

    Perry “says things that will spark debate and generate results – and that’s what he’s doing here,” Perry spokesman Mark Miner said this week in California.

    “We wouldn’t be talking about this issue if it wasn’t for Governor Perry bringing this up and saying it should be fixed,” Miner said. “Mitt Romney would have been fine, going down the road and never addressing Social Security, never addressing these issues.”

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/09/MN0A1L2G7G.DTL#ixzz1XVcuJUa2

  214. In addition, Tina, I cannot be responsible for your simpleton approach to politics. Earlier I gave a list of reasons as to why I do not support Ron Paul in the primaries (while considering the fact that he holds many valid positions). You and numbnuts have reduced everything to be a beauty and personality contest.

    I have also given a list of reasons as to why I support Herman Cain at the moment. I’m not going to shove it down your throat as I don’t believe that you would be capable of comprehending my reasoning if it took me half a day to explain to you the difference between “conservatives” and “liberals” and that there is a difference between “Libertarian” and holding

  215. Sorry it took me half a day to explain to you that there is a difference between the Libertarian Party and libertarianism and it’s role in conservative thought.

  216. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
    Interesting article.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/morning-jay-does-it-matter-perry-was-democrat_592927.html
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    The author of that article is exactly right. Southern Conservatives have no problem with the fact that Perry was once a democrat. Many Southern Politicians started out as Democrats and switched to the Republican Party. It the ones like algore and clinton who stayed demRats that we don’t care for.

    In fact, I know people who are myopic can’t see this, but the fact that Perry was a democrat will help him in the General Election because there are many ex-democrats and Independents who will identify with Perry and automatically associate him with President Reagan. Remember Reagan would not have won the Presidency had it not been for Reagan Democrats.

  217. I don’t care that Perry is a former Democrat. I do care that he MANDATED that minor girls take a hpv vaccine. He’ll have to answer this question and “I made a mistake” doesn’t cut it.

    Will Gov. Perry mandate shots on the general public if elected President?

  218. Paxson:

    The point is that many conservatives are Christian or Jewish conservatives. It is a lifestyle choice for many. Otherwise, conservatives would not care about abortion or gay marriage; and liberals whole argument with the Patriot Act was that it intruded on their personal liberties. So again, the lines are blurred between liberals and libertarians. They may not be exact, but they are very similar with the only difference that liberals are happy to steal your money, but they still want their personal freedoms, and many won’t support Israel, similar to Ron Paul.

    Perry was concerned about cancer, and he said, he would not do it exactly the same way again. Wisdom only comes when we learn from our mistakes.

    In reality, we are splitting hairs because some things Ron Paul says I agree with, but his foreign policy is so crazy that it is a 100% deal stopper,. and his excuses for not supporting Israel while not worrying about Iran, etc, to me is complete anti-semistism no matter the excuses people make for him.

  219. Perry was concerned about cancer, so he reached into the nuclear family of millions of homes and mandated a shot that many did not want. This is not conservative. It is in fact VERY LIBERAL, FASCIST or COMMUNISTIC. It is not “CONSERVATIVE” or “lIBERTARIAN” (SMALL l. Look it up, there is a difference)

    With re

  220. Will Gov. Perry force the general public to take a shot the next time “he is concerned about something”?

    It is a valid question.

  221. As usual LIBERAL demRat paxson is WRONG. I know several Doctors who prescribe Gardasil to young girls to prevent cervical cancer.

  222. Excuse me. The GOP wants to limit gay marriage and refuse to let women have an abortion so that is regulation too!!! in people’s personal lives. Oh my!!! You are a hypocrite. You really are making up silly excuses. For the record, I am against abortion, but just showing you the silliness of what you say.

  223. In addition, while I believe in protecting Israel, there are many out there who don’t and have valid reasons for not doing so. This does not make them anti-Semetic, although some certainly are. What I get tired of is the over simplified rages that you and numbnuts put us through just because you are trying to foist your opinions through shredding everybody else.

  224. LIBERAL demRat paxson alleges that he has a family. I doubt it, but if so he must not have any daughters.

  225. A fetus is a person. Therefore it is murder. Murder is a crime. So, no, I am not a hypocrite. You see Tina, I knew that you were going to go there and I was going to bring it up myself. But I thought that I would test you and your simple approach to matters.

  226. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 10:03 pm |
    Excuse me. The GOP wants to limit gay marriage and refuse to let women have an abortion so that is regulation too!!! in people’s personal lives. Oh my!!! You are a hypocrite. You really are making up silly excuses. For the record, I am against abortion, but just showing you the silliness of what you say.

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    U got that right! demRat paxson is an IDIOT

  227. I do in fact have two children. A boy, aged 6, and a girl, aged 3. I do not want any vaccine or untested shot to be mandated upon either of my children.

    Not long ago, many here were concerned about the Swine Flu vaccine and that Barack Obama was going to mandate it. I didn’t like that type of potential mandate then and I don’t like the fact that Governor Perry mandated this vaccine.

    Will Governor Perry MANDATE us to take shots if elected President?

  228. Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 10:09 pm |

    “I do in fact have two children.”
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    Sure you do, demRat paxson and how do you support your imaginary family demRat? Are you on welfare, demRat?

  229. A women could die from cancer so not getting a girl the treatment might be killing her too, and not all embryos fully develop, Paxson. But why can’t I marry as many men and women as I want going by your theory? that is limiting my personal freedom.

  230. FS @ 10;01

    A doctor prescribing a vaccine to a minor child under the watchful eye of the parent or guardian IS WAY DIFFERENT than the governor of a state MANDATING a portion of the population take a vaccine, usurping the parental powers of the parent or guardian.

  231. Give it a rest demRat paxson. The more you advocate against Perry the better I like him and obviously a majority of voters like him too.

  232. Tina, I personally don’t care how many wives that a person has. It’s really none of my business. But for purposes of the state, they have recognized a contractual agreement between two individuals called Marriage.

    I don’t think that all laws are smart or that they make sense and I never pretended to. I originally was making a general argument that CONSERVATIVISM IS ABOUT KEEPING THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR HAIR.

    IT’S THAT SIMPLE. IT’S WHERE IT BEGINS AND ENDS.

  233. U R obviously a VERY POOR judge of character and candidates, demRat paxson.

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    Paxson | March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm |

    “Hillary… is looking like Barry frigging Goldwater to me right now. She’s the only grown up in the room and…there is no doubt that she is an American and loves our country…”

  234. Will Governor Perry mandate us to take a vaccine if he is elected President? It’s a simple question that he should answer if he is going to represent the Republican Party in the General Election. He says that he made a mistake, but that’s a pretty intrusive mistake. What was his reasoning to MANDATE it, rather than HIGHLY SUGGEST IT.

  235. Did Merck put any undue influence on him in order to call for a MANDATE?

    If so, we need to know now and not next October.

    I will add again, that I am not anti- Perry. I like him a lot. But this is not a coronation.

  236. CONSERVATIVISM IS ABOUT KEEPING THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR HAIR.
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    This has been an interesting discussion, but gays don’t think conservatives stay out of their hair, women who went an abortion, or porn stars who want more porn. We need laws to have a society. Which laws we pick define who we are. I choose to defend my our friends. Ron Paul wants to abandon them while helping people who kill Americans like Iran. That says a lot about him which is not good in my eyes. Enough said. good night.

  237. Have you had your imaginary son and daughter vaccinated for DTP, OPV, Haemophilus, Hep B, MMR, Varicella, demRat paxson?

  238. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 10:30 pm |

    This has been an interesting discussion, but gays don’t think conservatives stay out of their hair…
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    Do you suppose demRat paxson is a homosexual? That would explain why he is still a demRat.

  239. Gays don’t think that Social Conservatives like you want to stay out of their hair. Your friends are the Israeli”s. Jews in our country arent’ even friends to the Israeli’s because if they were they wouldn’t vote Democrat. Ron Paul doesn’t want to abandon anybody, he just believes that “charity begins at home”. In addition, I have said ad nauseum that I do not support Ron Paul’s foreign policy…..BUT YOU AREN’T GOING TO FIND ME CALLING HIM EVIL JUST BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH HIM.

  240. So you are a homosexual demRat Anti-Semite, paxson. That explains everything.

  241. Tina. Do you suppose that FS is a raging lunatic, who cannot control his physical emotions to the detriment of his neighbors and family up to the point that he has been incarcerated and forced to take anti-psychotic medication?

  242. let’s see. if you abandon your friend Israel and let the Arabs or Iran kill another six million, I am not sure why that isn’t evil when Paul won’t even build a fence to keep illegals out because that will keep Americans in. And if you are not for Ron Paul, you have spent hours today defending him. that is a lot of effort for something you don’t care much about, Paxson.

  243. LOL! Oooh aren’t you touchy about your homosexuality, demRat paxson.

  244. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    let’s see. if you abandon your friend Israel and let the Arabs or Iran kill another six million, I am not sure why that isn’t evil when Paul won’t even build a fence to keep illegals out because that will keep Americans in. And if you are not for Ron Paul, you have spent hours today defending him. that is a lot of effort for something you don’t care much about, Paxson.
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    paxson is obviously a boHillary demRat he only promotes ron paul and Herman Cain because he knows neither of them have any chance of winning, but he thinks by promoting them he can create dissension among Republicans, Independents and Conservatives.

  245. Tina. Are you dense? How many times have I told you that I do not support Ron Paul’s foreign policy objectives, especially as it pertains to Israel? Go back earlier and read what I wrote about why I don’t support Ron Paul.

    Also, I haven’t spent the day supporting Ron Paul. I have spent the day trying to explain to you how small l, libertarianism, is a major part of conservative thought from a Barry Goldwater (founder of today’s modern conservative movement’s) perspective.

  246. Have you had your imaginary sons and daughters vaccinated for DTP, OPV, Haemophilus, Hep B, MMR, Varicella, demRat paxson?

  247. Okay, Paxson. I admit you are not a homosexual. We agree. I have enjoyed this debate. Take care.

  248. What kind of LUNATIC would compare hillary clinton to Senator Barry Goldwater?

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    Paxson | March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm |

    “Hillary… is looking like Barry frigging Goldwater to me right now. She’s the only grown up in the room and…there is no doubt that she is an American and loves our country…”

  249. We’ve come to find out that you and FS do not mind forced vaccinations and other intrusions from the government as long as the guy is wearing a different hat.

  250. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 10:52 pm |
    Okay, Paxson. I admit you are not a homosexual.
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    LOL!

  251. I have had my son and daughter voluntarily vaccinated. I have buddies who are chiropractors that do not believe in vaccines and have not vaccinated their children. I disagree with them, but this is their choice.

    What Governor Perry did is MANDATE a vaccine. Meaning it was forced upon people. This is a slippery slope when the government begins to re

  252. We are forced to Get shots for our children if they are to go to school or college anyway unless you keep them out of school and away from the world and college.

  253. I like Gov Perry think he made a mistake when he issued an executive order for the vaccination, but to his credit he gave parents an opt out and his heart was in the right place in trying to prevent cervical cancer.

  254. Furthermore all the medical professionals that I know personally think Gardasil is a good drug for preventing cervical cancer.

  255. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    We are forced to Get shots for our children if they are to go to school or college anyway unless you keep them out of school and away from the world and college.

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    Notice that demRat paxson has been evading my questions about what vaccinations he has gotten for his imaginary children.

  256. When you enroll your children in kindergarten, you have to show them your shot record, and then again in high school, and then again in college. I understand there may be side effects, but we still have no choice, and I would prefer my kids not get deadly illnesses. Adding one more shot to prevent cancer seems like a silly reason not to have my child get a shot, and a silly reason not to vote for perry when conservatives want to regulate the personal lives of others, perhaps for good reason, but it is still a regulation.

  257. I’m not opposed to the vaccine itself. When my daughter is of age, we will make an intelligent decision.

    I admit that I lashed out at Governor Perry because quite frankly I don’t like you.

    I do however like Governor Perry on many subjects and will support him if he wins the nomination.

    Good night, today has been a collosal waste of time and energy.

  258. Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 10:56 pm |
    I have had my son and daughter voluntarily vaccinated.
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    Sure you did, demRat paxson. What you are too DUMB to know is that any parent can see through your BS. You don’t have any children, demRat and you are not now and have never been a Republican. That is quite obvious from your IDIOTIC comments.

  259. Attention Washington Times Subscribers & Readers: Send Letters to the Editor of the Washington Times Regarding Their 9 Sep 2011 Editorial which Says That the Obama Birth Certificate Issue has been Put to Rest for the Most Part.

    Unbelievable! How can the editors of a allegedly conservative leaning newspaper make such a stupid and untrue statement in an editorial? See this line from their 9 Sep 2011 editorial:

    ” … Earlier this year, prospective Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump brought mainstream attention to the question of the circumstances of Barack Obama’s birth. The White House responded by finally releasing a long-form birth certificate from Hawaii, which for the most part put the issue to rest. …”

    Read more here:
    http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/attention-washington-times-subscribers-readers-send-letters-to-the-editor-of-the-washington-times-regarding-their-9-sep-2011-editorial/

  260. I most certainly do have children. I also have been a Republican my entire life.

  261. Tina | September 9, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
    When you enroll your children in kindergarten, you have to show them your shot record, and then again in high school, and then again in college. I understand there may be side effects, but we still have no choice, and I would prefer my kids not get deadly illnesses. Adding one more shot to prevent cancer seems like a silly reason not to have my child get a shot, and a silly reason not to vote for perry when conservatives want to regulate the personal lives of others, perhaps for good reason, but it is still a regulation.

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    I agree.

  262. Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    I most certainly do have children. I also have been a Republican my entire life.

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    So what vaccinations have your imaginary children gotten and when did they get them?

    This is a Parental TEST, dummie demRat. If you were truly a parent, you could answer it in 5 minutes.

  263. My children had all vaccinations that were recommended by their pediatrician. My son, aged 6, is done until age 11. My daughte, age 3, still has a few to go. I’m not going to go through their medical records to play your psychotic game.

  264. Paxson | September 9, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
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    You are too DUMB to know it, but you have just proven that you do not have any children, demRat paxson.

  265. I most certainly do have two children and I am happily married and I am a Republican, and a Catholic. I don’t owe you anything, so your psychotic get is lost. MMR,DTAP, HEPB, POLIO, CHICKEN POX so on and so forth.

  266. This discussion about libertarianism and conservatism has been challenging.
    Jonah, I did take the test and I came out “Conservative”; however, the yellow star has me rated right close to “libertarian”. I truly am the Barry Goldwater type of conservative, because he was running for president when I was just starting out in the workplace, and I was a strong supporter. Therefore, there are certain elements of libertarian beliefs in my thinking, but certainly not all.

    There are many varieties of libertarianism. I do not ascribe to Ron Paul’s or John Stossel’s type, especially when it comes to removing laws against prostitution, drugs, etc. These vices DO affect others (children, husbands, wives, neighbors, and the general public).

    Let the words of John Adams, a prominent Founding Father, burn into our thinking. He was a signer of the Declaration of Independence and our second President:
    We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

    Then consider this from John Adams, also:

    Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.
    The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, They may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty. They will only exchange Tyrants and Tyrannies.

    Wow! Again, let this grab us:
    The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, They may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty. They will only exchange Tyrants and Tyrannies.

  267. LOL!

    demRat paxson doesn’t know how he has proven that he has no children. Maybe he can call hillary’s office in the morning and she can tell him the mistakes he made in his IDIOTIC comments.

    LOL!

  268. All these mean spirited personal attacks; those who launch them and the moderator, should be ashamed. Many posters seem to have lost perspective on what is at risk in our fragile Republic. Let’s all raise our game here and make CW a useful tool for inquiring patriots!

  269. Cabby. Well said
    That about sums it up for me

  270. Cabby-AZ

    I think you stated it nicely.

  271. http://www.rickperry.org/news/why-im-running/

    What I learned in my 20’s traveling the globe as an Air Force pilot, our current president has yet to acknowledge in his 50’s – that we are the most exceptional nation on the face of the earth.

    As Americans, we believe freedom is a gift from God, and government’s prime function is to defend it. We don’t see the role of government as a nanny state, and we recognize there is no government money that wasn’t once earned through the sweat and toil of private citizens.

    That’s why we object to an Administration that sees its role as spending our children’s inheritance on failed economic theories that have given us record debt and left far too many unemployed, threatening not only our economy, but our security. Our reliance on foreign creditors and sources of energy not only compromises our national sovereignty, but jeopardizes our national future.

    America’s place in the world is in peril, not only because of disastrous economic policies, but from the incoherent muddle known as our foreign policy. Our president has thumbed his nose at traditional allies such as Israel and Great Britain.

    We will not sit back and accept our current misery…because a great country requires a better direction…because a renewed nation requires a new president. That’s why, with faith in God, the support of my family, and an unwavering belief in the goodness of America, I am a candidate for President of the United States.

    And I will work every day to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your lives as I can.

    As governor of Texas I have led based on a few guiding principles. One, don’t spend all the money. Two, keep taxes low and under control. Three, keep regulations fair and predictable. And four, reform the legal system so frivolous lawsuits don’t paralyze employers that are trying to create jobs.

    Over ten years, we have followed this recipe of fiscal restraint to produce the strongest economy in the nation. While millions of jobs have been lost over the last decade nationwide, hundreds of thousands of jobs have been added in Texas. Texas is home to one in 12 Americans, and yet since June of 2009, we have created more than four in ten American jobs.

    The change we seek will never emanate out of Washington…it must come from the windswept prairies of Middle America…the farms and factories across this great land…the hearts and minds of God-fearing Americans who will not accept a future that is less than our past…who will not be consigned a fate of less freedom in exchange for more government.

    It is up to us…to this present generation of Americans…to take a stand for freedom…to send a signal to Washington that we are taking the country back from the grips of central planners who would control our healthcare, spend our treasure and micro-manage our businesses.

    My mission as your president will be to get America working again!

    With God’s help, and your courage, we will take our country back. I hope you will take a moment to join the team and consider a donation to the campaign.

    Thank you, and God bless America.

    Rick Perry

  272. Thank you, Paxson and Tina. It is a deep subject. I am pro-Israel, as both of you are (and others, too) and could never ascribe to Ron Paul’s philosophy when it comes to foreign policy.

    Yes, our wars have not always been wise and fought to win, and mistakes have been made, BUT America has tried to stand for freedom, and a complete isolationist policy is way too much at the other end of the spectrum, imo.

    Ron Paul is not anti-Israel, per se, but to leave her completely helpless when she is our only real ally in the mideast would be disastrous for her AND us. I am a firm believer in the biblical admonition that “whoever blesses them will be blest, and whoever curses them will be cursed.”

  273. http://www.rickperry.org/news/why-im-running/

    As Americans, we believe freedom is a gift from God, and government’s prime function is to defend it. We don’t see the role of government as a nanny state, and we recognize there is no government money that wasn’t once earned through the sweat and toil of private citizens.


    America’s place in the world is in peril, not only because of disastrous economic policies, but from the incoherent muddle known as our foreign policy. Our president has thumbed his nose at traditional allies such as Israel and Great Britain.

    We will not sit back and accept our current misery…because a great country requires a better direction…because a renewed nation requires a new president. That’s why, with faith in God, the support of my family, and an unwavering belief in the goodness of America, I am a candidate for President of the United States.

    The change we seek will never emanate out of Washington…it must come from the windswept prairies of Middle America…the farms and factories across this great land…the hearts and minds of God-fearing Americans who will not accept a future that is less than our past…who will not be consigned a fate of less freedom in exchange for more government.

    It is up to us…to this present generation of Americans…to take a stand for freedom…to send a signal to Washington that we are taking the country back from the grips of central planners who would control our healthcare, spend our treasure and micro-manage our businesses.

    With God’s help, and your courage, we will take our country back. I hope you will take a moment to join the team and consider a donation to the campaign.

    Thank you, and God bless America.

    Rick Perry

  274. Cabby – AZ | September 10, 2011 at 12:20 am |
    Thank you, Paxson and Tina. It is a deep subject. I am pro-Israel, as both of you are (and others, too) and could never ascribe to Ron Paul’s philosophy when it comes to foreign policy.

    Yes, our wars have not always been wise and fought to win, and mistakes have been made, BUT America has tried to stand for freedom, and a complete isolationist policy is way too much at the other end of the spectrum, imo.

    Ron Paul is not anti-Israel, per se, but to leave her completely helpless when she is our only real ally in the mideast would be disastrous for her AND us. I am a firm believer in the biblical admonition that “whoever blesses them will be blest, and whoever curses them will be cursed.”

    ———-

    you write very well, Cabby. This is a great way to put it.

  275. Tina, thanks for the compliment, but you are too generous. Don’t we all have pent-up feelings that are hard to fully express?

  276. Obama Set a Trap for Republicans

    “Obama’s job speech was designed to trap Republicans. He’s counting on the economic “crisis” to give him the opportunity to manage the economy Soviet-style. Here’s how the president put it”

    Read more: Obama Set a Trap for Republicans | Godfather Politics http://godfatherpolitics.com/884/obama-set-a-trap-for-republicans/#ixzz1XWMRqlp2

  277. This is going to be a hard-fought election, because Obama and the Dems will stop at nothing to win. They will lie, deceive, cheat, and defame. After reading the article just posted above, you will understand the strategy to make the Repubs look like fools – untrustworthy, heartless, obstructive, etc.

  278. Cabby – AZ | September 10, 2011 at 12:43 am |
    This is going to be a hard-fought election, because Obama and the Dems will stop at nothing to win. They will lie, deceive, cheat, and defame. After reading the article just posted above, you will understand the strategy to make the Repubs look like fools – untrustworthy, heartless, obstructive, etc.
    ——-

    Yes. Agreed, as they can’t run on their record.

  279. I scored as a conservative on the Nolan test. Very interesting, Jonah. Thanks for pointing it out.

  280. Thank you for the article Cdr Kerchner! I almost missed it and hope that others here saw it too.

  281. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_083111/content/01125111.guest.html

    RUSH: They’re scared of Perry. They are scared to death of Perry. They’re petrified of Perry. They’ll always tell us who they fear. They’re not worried about Romney. They think they can beat Romney. They also think that they can scare Romney into being a little bit more compliant and less combative with Obama. I don’t think they think that about Perry. I think they are very much concerned about Perry, just as they are very much concerned about Sarah Palin. That’s what they’re telling us here.

    RUSH: Your buddy Stephanopoulos, transparent as he can be if he’s sidling up to Romney right now. Your interpretation that’s right on the money, you know exactly what that’s about.

    CALLER: The images, the guns and the, “Move to California if you support gay marriage,” and all the other things that, you know, Georgie put on last night was just amazing how much he loves Mitt now.

    RUSH: Well, they’ve got the same hair. You know, Romney and Perry have the same hair.

    CALLER: They’re truly showing who’s really gonna scare ’em.

    RUSH: I think so. I think so. Since you say you’re watching “Georgie,” I haven’t watched a network nightly newscast I can’t tell you how long. It’s been years since I actually saw one. So I have to listen to your report to find out what happened. I didn’t know. I’m not afraid to admit this. I did not know that Stephanopoulos, all of a sudden, fell in love with Mitt Romney, but it doesn’t surprise me. It makes total sense. It’s totally understandable, given who they’re really afraid of out there.

  282. I will try to do a better job at not allowing the nefarious around us to get under my skin.

  283. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051811/content/01125109.guest.html

    RUSH: Now, Rick Perry used to be soft on immigration, now he’s not. There’s no way you’re gonna hear Rick Perry supporting amnesty in any way, shape, manner, or form. He’s solid on that, plus pro-life. Rick Perry stands in opposition to inside the Beltway Washington elites, I don’t care what party they are.

  284. http://dailyrushbo.com/

    LIMBAUGH: If Social Security Isn’t A Ponzi Scheme Then What Is It?


  285. Limbaugh: “I Want To Applaud” Perry’s Claim That Social Security Is A Ponzi Scheme

  286. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081511/content/01125114.guest.html

    PERRY: What makes our nation exceptional is that anyone, from any background, can climb to the highest of heights. As Americans, we don’t see the role of government as guaranteeing outcomes, but allowing free men and women to flourish based on their own vision, their hard work, and their personal responsibility. We reject this president’s unbridled fixation on taking more money out of wallets and pocketbooks of American families and employers and given it to a central government. Spreading the wealth punishes success while setting America on course for greater dependency on government.

    RUSH: And here he hammers Obama on the recovery.

    PERRY: Now we’re told we’re in recovery. (laughter) Yeah. But this sure doesn’t feel like a recovery to more than 9% of the Americans out there who are unemployed. Or the 16% of the African-Americans, 11% of the Hispanics in the same position, or the millions who can only find part-time work, or those who have even stopped looking for a job. One in six work-eligible Americans cannot find a full-time job. That is not a recovery; that is an economic disaster.

    RUSH: Right on. Right on. Right on. Now, we edited the applause. The applause went on and on and on. We edited it of course for brevity.

    PERRY: For nearly three years President Obama has been downgrading American jobs; he’s been downgrading our standing in the world; he’s been downgrading our financial stability; he’s been downgrading our confidence, and downgrading the hope for a better future for our children. That’s a fact. It’s time to get America working again. (applause) So get our citizens working in good jobs and getting the government to working for the people again. You know, page one of any economic plan to get America working is to give a pink slip to the current residents in the White House.

    RUSH: Right on, right on, right on, right on. Here’s the final bite that we have.

    PERRY: America is not broken; Washington, DC, is broken. (applause)

    RUSH: Right on, right on.

    PERRY: I will not sit back and accept the path that America is on, because a great country requires a better direction; because a renewed nation —

    RUSH: Right on

  287. This blog seems to have been taken over by people advertising for an individual candidate(s). I suppose we will all try to forget that our country, and it’s people, have been ransacked by the current executive branch and reach out for another person to fix it. Truly, as an American I can promise you that reaching out for a conservative savior is not the answer. Americans need the truth, they need to see what has happened in DC and to rule of law. We will all act via the voting soon, and information is important. However, the most important information should be directed at discovering what it is that Obama and his puppet master have been up to. Anybody notice egypt yesterday?

  288. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_062011/content/01125107.guest.html

    Rush:…comments by Rick Perry, and we have edited the applause. It was substantial. But we’ve edited the applause in the interests of time.

    GOV. PERRY: We need to stop apologizing for celebrating life.

    RUSH: Right on.

    GOV. PERRY: We need to stop apologizing —

    RUSH: Right on.

    GOV. PERRY: — for wanting to protect an individual’s right to build a business.

    RUSH: Right on.

    GOV. PERRY: We need to stop apologizing about stemming the tide of entitlement mind-set that’s out there. We ought to be proud of our efforts to give local parents and communities a say on how their children are educated, protecting that fundamental right of private property ownership. Our party cannot be all things to all people. It can’t be. And our loudest opponents on the left are never gonna like us so let’s quit trying to curry favor with ’em!

    AUDIENCE: (applause)

    RUSH: Right on!

    GOV. PERRY: Let’s speak with pride about our morals and our values and redouble our effort to elect more conservative Republicans. Let’s stop this American downward spiral!

    AUDIENCE: (applause)

    RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, you know what? I now know how you feel when you’re listening to me. I now know how you applaud it. I now know how you get all revved up when you’re listening to me. Damn straight. Finally! Why in the world do we apologize? This comes from this defensive position that you always end up in when you accept somebody else’s premise in an argument. He’s exactly right: Why apologize at all for celebrating life? Stop apologizing for wanting to protect an individual’s right to build a business? Of course, the MSNBC story: “Rick Perry delivered an unapologetically socially conservative speech,” as though he’s supposed to apologize. I just love this bite. We have this one and…let me see… a couple more. And again we’ve edited the applause just in the interests of time.

    GOV. PERRY: This administration in Washington that’s in power now clearly believes that government is not only the answer to every need, but it’s the most qualified to make essential decisions for every American in every area. That mix of arrogance and audacity that guides the Obama administration is an affront to every freedom loving American and a threat to every private sector job in this country.

    AUDIENCE: (applause and cheers)

    RUSH: All right. So he’s out there articulating the truth, he’s getting stupendous applause and yet, “Nah-nah-nah can’t have Rick Perry. He’s from Texas. He’s too close to Bush. We don’t want anybody from Texas! Bush is from Texas. We hate Texas — or not ‘we,’ but the voters. The voters don’t want anybody else from Texas.” This is the message from the elites, the inside-the-Beltway geniuses who like to tell us what we will and what we won’t vote for or who we will and won’t vote for. I think Perry understands who we are. We have a choice. We have a decision to make as Americans.

    GOV. PERRY: Will history view us as the generation of Americans that kinda collectively shrugged their shoulders and said, “I guess there’s nothing that I can do? Will we just watch our nation continue this slow backwards slide? Will future generations of Americans living a life without any direction or decision that’s not made by some bureaucrat wonder: “Why didn’t somebody do something?” I’ve got more confidence in America’s energy and character. I totally believe it’s time to reconnect with the greatest attributes of our nation, to regain that resiliant spirit and recapture that love of freedom, remembering its true price. We’re all facing the same challenges in America. I stand before you today a disciplined conservative Texan — a committed Republican and a proud American — united with you in the desire to restore our nation and revive the American dream.

    AUDIENCE: (applause)

    RUSH: Right on, right on. Again, we edited the applause there. Now, this is not sitting well with the Drive-Bys and the State-Controlled Media.

  289. “We wouldn’t be talking about this issue if it wasn’t for Governor Perry bringing this up and saying it should be fixed,” Miner said. “Mitt Romney would have been fine, going down the road and never addressing Social Security, never addressing these issues.”
    ——————————————————————————————
    Exactly!!
    A theft has taken place and it needs to be exposed. The whole country needs to share in fixing the SS system if they want to see it continue.
    Not just a select group. Good for Perry!
    Young People need to wake up, their getting screwed.

  290. Pat 1789…………………..
    Do you have any relatives who are either on Social Security,or near the age to collect it.?Did they pay in WITHOUT CHOICE? Was they paying in before 1968? If they did then they were a member of an A-N-N-U-I-T-Y, which nearly every major insurance company still sells. But along came LBJ and Congress and Stole the SS annuities, cashed them in and put the proceeds into the General Fund. The voting public whose money it was were not even given a say in the change.. Why because it was done illegallly.In short the SS accouunt holders were required by law to pay into the system. In the early 60s it was mandated that it be witheld from paychecks.

  291. Pat 1789 | September 10, 2011 at 9:19 am |
    “We wouldn’t be talking about this issue if it wasn’t for Governor Perry bringing this up and saying it should be fixed,” Miner said. “Mitt Romney would have been fine, going down the road and never addressing Social Security, never addressing these issues.”
    ——————————————————————————————
    Exactly!!
    A theft has taken place and it needs to be exposed. The whole country needs to share in fixing the SS system if they want to see it continue.
    Not just a select group. Good for Perry!
    Young People need to wake up, their getting screwed.

    —————————————————————————-
    I agree.

    When SS started there were 140+ workers paying in for every retiree taking money out. Today there are only 3 paying in for every retiree taking money out. This is a MONTROUS burden on our Children and Grandchildren. Couple that with the fact that for over 40 years the LBJ, carter, clinton and bo demRat regimes have looted from the SS system, it is clear why Gov. Perry said that SS has become a “MONTROUS LIE.”

  292. Billary planned to privatize the SS system as a favor to their Wall Street Cohorts in the 90’s but they had to back down once Bill C. was IMPEACHED by the Republicans.

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3961

    Clinton had his staff consider whether the administrative structure for individual accounts could be set up before Congress acted on any legislation to ensure that the accounts would be in place before Clinton left office. However, Clinton’s plans were derailed by his impeachment over the Monica Lewinski affair. Faced with a need to strengthen his liberal base, Clinton abandoned any proposal for significant Social Security reform.

  293. Pat 1789……………..
    Thanks to WordPress I am FORCED to do this in TWO comments…………Now to pick up where I left off in part 1.
    Annuities are NOT PONZI SCHEMES like everybody seems to think. Why the hell don’t anybody have a talk with an insurance agent and have them tell you what an annuity is, or better still the word is in Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary….look it up for yourself. There was a lot of people who would not have had food to eat during the late 20s and through the 30s had it not been for their ANNUITIES which they held in Metropolitan Life Ins Co,Prudential Life Ins. Co.,Mutual of Omaha,New York Life Ins, Lincoln National Life, ETC,ETC.s are PONZI SCHEMES.

  294. http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/changes.asp

    This is a history of the LOOTING of the SS System by the LBJ, carter, clinton and bo demRat regimes.

  295. Memo to Congress: Impeachment probe needed now!
    Posted: September 09, 2011
    4:38 pm Eastern

    © 2011

    Barack Obama is indeed succeeding in his plans to “transform America,” but not in the way voters expected on Election Day in 2008. The number of the president’s actions that arguably qualify as impeachable offenses is staggering.

    The question before the country is what to do about it.

    True, Obama faces the voters in 14 months, and that will be seen by many as a reason to avoid the turmoil of an impeachment proceeding. But one process has nothing to do with the other. Elections proceed on an established calendar, but if he has committed acts that warrant removal by way of impeachment, that process should proceed independent of the election calendar. While impeachment must never be used to override an election victory, neither should the prospects of electoral defeat be used as an argument to avoid impeachment.

    Read more: Memo to Congress: Impeachment probe needed now! http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=343429#ixzz1XZ3o7yQZ


  296. The demRats have incredible gall to attempt to defend their “MONTROUS LIES.” Anyone with a brain can see that the LBJ, carter, clinton and bo regimes have looted the Social Security System for over 40 years.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/changes.asp

  297. US Attorney General Cushing Made Clear That Citizens and Subjects Were Not The Same Under US Law.
    Posted in Uncategorized on September 7, 2011 by naturalborncitizen

    I have a very in depth analytical blog coming soon concerning the underlying history of the US Supreme Court’s precedent defining a natural born citizen as one born in the US to parents who were citizens via the case of Minor v. Happersett. That case had two issues, citizenship and voting rights. The citizenship issue was determined by the SCOTUS directly construing the “natural born Citizen” clause from Article 2, Section 1. This is the only US Supreme Court case to have directly construed the clause. As such, it remains as good law and precedent which means Obama occupies the White House in direct contradiction to standing US law.
    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

  298. Billary planned to privatize the SS system as a favor to their Wall Street Cohorts in the 90′s but they had to back down once Bill C. was IMPEACHED by the Republicans.

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3961

    Clinton had his staff consider whether the administrative structure for individual accounts could be set up before Congress acted on any legislation to ensure that the accounts would be in place before Clinton left office. However, Clinton’s plans were derailed by his impeachment over the Monica Lewinski affair.

  299. Cabby – AZ | September 10, 2011 at 12:43 am |
    This is going to be a hard-fought election, because Obama and the Dems will stop at nothing to win. They will lie, deceive, cheat, and defame.

    Take a look at a recent Lame Cherry post; he suggests Obama has had people
    destroyed and murdered to attain his goals, and that if needed he will arrange for an opponent to be killed.

  300. For the record,

    Restricting Abortion is not a “regulation”, it is however enforcing federal U.S. Laws that murder is against the law. It cannot be acceptable to murder in one case yet acceptable in another.

    Personally, I have issues of abortion laws. Certainly, I am in no position to dictate to a woman (of legal age) of what she can or cannot do with her own persons. What I can have is the decisive manner financially upon which she chooses on her personal choice. In other words, I really don’t care if a person chooses to tattoo their bodies, pierce every part of their body or stick a bone through their nose, but they cannot do such at taxpayers cost for their own individual choices. That is where I have a say-so. Not at my money expense.

    This is where the federal government – using my taxpayer dollars – have a so called “regulation” and rightfully so. Does that make me a Hypocrite since I require less federal government by constitutional laws, but require accountability for constitutional finances? Absolutely not.

  301. Rick Perry’s Newest Fan: Birther Queen Orly Taitz

    By Scott Keyes on Sep 9, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    ThinkProgress filed this report from Newport Beach, California.

    At Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s (R) campaign stop in Orange County yesterday, an inauspicious character made a surprise appearance: “birther queen” Orly Taitz. Taitz, who has earned infamy for her long-held conspiracy theory that President Obama was not born in the United States, stood near the stage with a large sign reading “Go Perry 2012″.

    Standing in the rope line after Perry’s speech, Taitz spoke with the Texas governor as he wrote on her sign, “♥ Rick Perry”. Audio of the exchange was difficult to make out, but according to Taitz, she told Perry that he will “get Obama” and “will have him in prison for Social Security fraud.” Taitz was confident that Perry was receptive to her message.

    Taitz also told ThinkProgress that she’s “pretty sure [the Perry campaign] will” bring up the birth certificate issue, but she said their strategy “will be to wait and use it at the last possible moment to make sure that there is no primary challenger in the Democrat Party.”

    KEYES: I saw you were able to get a bit of face time with Governor Perry on the line. What did you talk with him about?

    TAITZ: […] From what I understood, he knew who I was and what I was talking about. […] I told him that you will get Obama, you will have him in prison for Social Security fraud. […]

    KEYES: Did Governor Perry seem very receptive to your messages?

    TAITZ: Yes.

    KEYES: Do you think he’ll be taking that message forward, particularly with the birth certificate issue? Are you hopeful that he will?

    TAITZ: I’m pretty sure they will, but I’m also sure that their strategy will be to wait and use it at the last possible moment to make sure that there is no primary challenger in the Democrat Party.

    Watch the video clip : http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/09/09/315743/rick-perrys-newest-fan-birther-queen-orly-taitz/

    According to Taitz, she was “invited by local leadership of GOP” to the event, which was indeed held by the Orange County GOP.

  302. bob strauss | September 10, 2011 at 12:43 pm |

    TAITZ: I’m pretty sure they will, but I’m also sure that their strategy will be to wait and use it at the last possible moment to make sure that there is no primary challenger in the Democrat Party.

    ———————————————————————–

    Good for Orly!

  303. As far as Ronald Regan goes,

    Yes, being born and reared in the early 1900’s, nearly 30 years old at the time of WWII, the democrat party was not infiltrated with Communists and Socialists. In fact, such cause was to deport and criminally prosecute such members. It was as history unfolded, in the late 50’s and post Korean war, leading into the 60’s, that Marxism and the Socialist and Communist party began such infiltration into the Democrat party and later in the 70’s/80’s began to flower.

    Regan’s association to the Democrat party and switch to the Republican party was far before such liberalism and Socialism/Communism even occurred -taught at prominent universities as a way of life – in the United States. That is far from the truth today and over the last 50 years with emphasis on the last 30.

    Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans are a far different breed and for various historical reasons. Don’t confuse the two. Neither is it true that Southern Republicans are “ok” with known past “recent” historical Democrats. This is far from the truth.

    I know, I’m one.

  304. Lastly,

    This is why I say to those currently “Rehab or Reformed” Democrats whom have always embraced Anti-Constitutional laws (over the last 40 years) stood on such grounds and platform all their adult life (60’s to present) then in 2008 after Obama won the election, all of a sudden, had a Eureka moment from their trained Karl Marx’s Socialist support and Communist support, woke up, and said, damm, I guess I’ll be a conservative republican today after 2008.

    Doesn’t work that way. Psychologically, Physically, Emotionally nor theoretically.

    As I said, that would be akin to saying Putin of Russia is an “Ex” Communist who “Recently saw the light”…

    Yeah….right.

  305. Unfortunately there are still LIBERAL demRat Southern politicians like clinton and algore.
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    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/morning-jay-does-it-matter-perry-was-democrat_592927.html
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    The author of that article is exactly right. Southern Conservatives have no problem with the fact that Perry was once a democrat. Many Southern Politicians started out as Democrats and switched to the Republican Party. It the ones like algore and clinton who stayed demRats that we don’t care for.

    In fact, I know people who are myopic can’t see this, but the fact that Perry was a democrat will help him in the General Election because there are many ex-democrats and Independents who will identify with Perry and automatically associate him with President Reagan. Remember Reagan would not have won the Presidency had it not been for Reagan Democrats.

  306. William | September 10, 2011 at 12:56 pm |

    “As far as Ronald Regan (SIC) goes”

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    U MISSPELLED President Reagan’s name!

  307. I would only hope that Perry or any other Contender for Candidacy brings forth all the Charges against Obama, if not, they will not win. Obama admin will continue to use the “Race Card” against all and anyone that proposes to investigate him. This Country needs a Candidate that is not fearful of being called a racist and demand Congressional investigations on many variety of Unconstitutional and Federal laws violated.

    Its that simple. Be Bold and Brave, show no Cowardice, stand for the Constitution, or Fail… Any that choose not to act, I will assist in ensuring they do not win the votes…..

  308. FreeSpeech,

    Yes, I did. Thanks for the correction. Typing far too fast.

  309. Interested Bystander

    Tina,

    Perhaps you could read Paul’s stance on Israel, and please explain where he is wrong:

    http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-08-14/ron-paul-the-most-pro-israel-candidate/

  310. Freespeech,

    I disagree with Southern Democrats today that have recently so-called – switch of parties – agree with the poll or your acceptations. For example, my parents were southern democrats and switched parties in the mid 70s, not recently. Of course one is deceased and my father is 74 years old. His age group is not a majority of party changers.

    Currently the vast majority voting “block” is between 18-35 years old. These are not the age groups that all of a sudden have a moment of party switching, little lone understand the history of Economics and political policy that have gotten us into the mess to begin with.

    Then again, this is the same age group that failed in educational polls and basic history.

  311. Wow. GWB is giving a great speech for the dedication of the memorial of flight 93. Themes are dignity, freedom, courage, country, sacrifice, heroism and isolationism is tempting, but deadly wrong. Beautiful.

  312. Interested Bystander,

    As I said before, I am no Ron Paul fan other than his stance on the Federal Reserve. It my opinion his best served roll is in the House whereby he can continue his excellent investigations and influence on the Federal Reserve.

    Now, if Ron Decides to go third party, I’m all over it and will support him or another 3rd party. This is if in the case no Republican has the courage to declare publicly the investigation into obama.

  313. Clinton had nice remarks, but not as put together as Bush, but still nice.

  314. http://www.slate.com/id/2303141/

    This weekend Perry said Romney didn’t create many jobs as governor. He defined Romney’s private-sector experience as creating jobs overseas. A few weeks ago, Perry reflected on their life experiences and concluded that he came from the real world: “I didn’t work at Bain Capital. I didn’t work on Wall Street.” Three attacks—on competence, class, and country of origin. The best rebuttal Romney could offer: Unlike Perry, he’s not a career politician.

    Today Romney’s economic plan won the Kinko’s primary. His handout was glossier and bigger than Perry’s will ever be. That isn’t going to help him win the GOP primary. Nor will the substance of his plan. There is nothing particularly novel in all of those pages. It’s standard Republican fare—lower marginal tax rates, less regulation, stronger trade, and less spending. Rick Perry would disagree with little of it. That’s why his spokesman, Mark Miner, aimed his spitballs elsewhere: “As Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney failed to create a pro-jobs environment and failed to institute many of the reforms he now claims to support.”

    The debate in the Republican Party is over which man can actually do the things they promise. Romney starts with a disadvantage. The numbers are against him. As governor he created jobs, but not as many jobs as Perry has in Texas or Jon Huntsman did while he was governor of Utah. In a Web ad released today, Huntsman pointed out that Massachusetts was 47th in job creation while Utah under Huntsman was first. Huntsman doesn’t threaten Romney the way Perry does, but his attack on the same front adds weight to the case that Romney couldn’t translate his success in business into governing.*

    Romney can explain that his situation in Massachusetts has to be seen in context. He faced tough conditions—a Democratic legislature that was against him—and he can argue that without his perseverance taxes would have been increased and the job market would have been worse. But to Republican voters, this just sounds like excuse-making—the same excuse-making they bash President Obama for.

    Romney is never going to win a button-pushing war with Perry. Perry talks about Wall Street and foreign jobs to appeal to voters’ gut feelings. When Romney talks about “career politicians,” he’s trying to do the same thing but he doesn’t have the knack for that kind of attack. Voters don’t seem to mind Perry’s experience as governor. To the extent that people associate politicians with changing their views to fit the moment, that’s Romney’s problem more than Perry’s.

  315. William. Especially given the fact that a couple here were Democrats as recently as 2008. Then try to dictate to us the meaning of conservative. Tina, and I welcome her to our party with open arms, wad a Democrat from 1960 through 2008 ( by her own admission ). As far as I am concerned, she and those misguided voters like her, are personally responsible for the Community Reinvestment Act and all that followed to create the boat we are in right now. Not to mention the theft of the social security trust fund
    She also shows concern about Iran, but Jimmy Carter created modern day Iran

    So here we are, being dictated to by the very people who voted for the programs that got us here ..

    Does it sound insane?

  316. Tina | September 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    Wow. GWB is giving a great speech for the dedication of the memorial of flight 93. Themes are dignity, freedom, courage, country, sacrifice, heroism and isolationism is tempting, but deadly wrong. Beautiful.

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    President Bush deserves great respect and praise for keeping us safe after the many National Security mistakes by clinton caused the 911 Attacks.

  317. IB,

    I have already written tons about Ron Paul’s stance on Israel. He wants what Obama wants for Israel which is to defend itself by itself. That might seem pro Israel, but it is not, because he wants to pull all support which will invite the Arabs to attack. Ron Paul does not think Iran is a big deal, and blames Islamic extremism on what he calls the “occupation” of Israel of the west bank and the US support of Israel. This is no different than Obama. Ron Paul supports anti-Semites and repeated all of this on Hannity last night.

    As I said, I disagree with Paul, Israel does not occupy anything. It won the West bank after it was attacked. Palestine is the name given to the Jews by the Romans. The Arabs are from Saudi Arabia. Look up your history. If Israel needs to give back the west bank, we should give back the US to British or the Indians.

    Now I support a free Palestine, but one with Jews, Christians and peaceful Muslims in it, much like in Israel. the Muslims want Palestine to be a base for attacks against Israel. They have turned down peace offer after peace offer. They are running the Christians out and want only Muslims to live there. This is ethnic cleansing, and Ron Paul says nothing. Shame on him, and his supporters. Enough said.

  318. Excellent interview with Sarah Palin.

    Sarah Palin Reacts To Rick Perry’s Harsh Remarks On Social Security

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/10/sarah-palin-rick-perry_n_956811.html

  319. Free Speech | September 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    Tina | September 10, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    Wow. GWB is giving a great speech for the dedication of the memorial of flight 93. Themes are dignity, freedom, courage, country, sacrifice, heroism and isolationism is tempting, but deadly wrong. Beautiful.

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    President Bush deserves great respect and praise for keeping us safe after the many National Security mistakes by clinton caused the 911 Attacks.
    —————

    Totally agree, FS.

  320. Tina | September 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    IB,

    I have already written tons about Ron Paul’s stance on Israel. He wants what Obama wants for Israel which is to defend itself by itself. That might seem pro Israel, but it is not, because he wants to pull all support which will invite the Arabs to attack. Ron Paul does not think Iran is a big deal, and blames Islamic extremism on what he calls the “occupation” of Israel of the west bank and the US support of Israel. This is no different than Obama. Ron Paul supports anti-Semites and repeated all of this on Hannity last night.

    As I said, I disagree with Paul, Israel does not occupy anything. It won the West bank after it was attacked. Palestine is the name given to the Jews by the Romans. The Arabs are from Saudi Arabia. Look up your history. If Israel needs to give back the west bank, we should give back the US to British or the Indians.

    Now I support a free Palestine, but one with Jews, Christians and peaceful Muslims in it, much like in Israel. the Muslims want Palestine to be a base for attacks against Israel. They have turned down peace offer after peace offer. They are running the Christians out and want only Muslims to live there. This is ethnic cleansing, and Ron Paul says nothing. Shame on him, and his supporters. Enough said.

    ===============================
    Well Stated.

  321. IB,

    I do not disagree with foreign aid per se’, rather how it is dispersed – I do.
    Simply supporting our allies at a time of need, is certainly a benefit to America, such as Israel. I disagree with Ron Paul on this matter.

    However, I do agree that simply giving money to a foreign government in the name of poverty or whatever else they wish to name it, is unconstitutional and does lead to corruption, there is no disputing this historical fact and needs to change. For example, rather than give a Country in Africa 50 billion U.S. Dollars in “Food Aid” which is nothing more than a Government – 2 – Government Money transfer that NEVER reaches the poor and hungry, make alternatives. This could be in the form of sending John Deer Trackers and farming equipment, irrigation equipment and sending U.S. Engineers to install such necessity, all at a fraction of the cost. Teach them to feed themselves and give them to tools to do it. Not a check for cash that only their government receives while showing children starving to death if we don’t send more money. B.S.

    Now, once done, and that government destroys the farming equipment we sent, destroys the farmlands in their civil wars, destroys the water ways and irrigation systems, then that’s it, no more help. This will certainly help American Manufacturing companies produce more equipment to assist in foreign aid and serve as the purpose of assisting those in need. But not at the expense of billions in government to government banking transfers.

    Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime….

  322. If the French had followed the views of Ron Paul, America might have lost the Revolution, and then the US libertarians would not be free to whoop it up with their personal freedom and ability to misbehave in any form they want.

  323. Tina | September 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm |

    Tina,

    It is very telling that these demRat posing as “republicans” never complain about the clintons’ and bo’s support financially and militarily of the muslim brotherhood. Their complaints are invariably Anti-Semitic Attacks on our faithful Ally, the only true democracy left in the Middle East, Israel.

  324. William. Very good points. I think you stated a lot of it nicely.

  325. Free Speech | September 10, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    Tina | September 10, 2011 at 2:33 pm |

    Tina,

    It is very telling that these demRat posing as “republicans” never complain about the clintons’ and bo’s support financially and militarily of the muslim brotherhood. Their complaints are invariably Anti-Semitic Attacks on our faithful Ally, the only true democracy left in the Middle East, Israel.

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    Exactly.

  326. http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=207108

    Clinton tentatively welcomes Muslim Brotherhood

  327. Keeping Israel safe is important, mostly because it is the birthplaceof Jesus and if the Muslims control it the history will be destroyed, but not as important as taking care of ourselves first. All of our foreign policy dollars need to be examined. We need to reprioritize away from foreign assistance towards domestic well being.

  328. Paxson,

    Yes, I agree and fully understand. Reason why attempting to claim that a person such as Reagan switching parties far before Socialism and Communism infiltrated the Democrat party is somehow considered “The same thing” and a reflection by comparison today is absurd. It’s not, and far beyond such ridiculous notion.

    When a Democrat runs for recent election, bashes the Republican Party, throws the Constitution under the bus, proclaims that Social welfare is a responsibility of all taxpaying citizens in the State, claims his party is the protector of the poor and others are the arbitrators of fault, then, when his election fails and then his beloved Hillary Clinton is ousted, prolclaims., damm, I’m a Constitutional Conserative Republican now.

    Sorry, I don’t buy it.

  329. Ron Paul also fails to mention that the money the US gives to Israel in the form of loan guarantees has to be spent in the US often on US weapons which saves thousands of US jobs. he also fails to realize how many Israeli businessmen are in the US who have started companies employing thousands of Americans. Israel has discovered large reserves of gas and oil which could lower the price of oil, counteracting OPEC, and helping to improve the US economy. It is in our national interest to support Israel.

  330. William. Tina’s post at 2:51 is laughable if it weren’t so insane. By her own admission she voted for Bill Clinton twice and supported Hillary as recently as 2008. Read the banter and have a chuckle.

  331. Obviously, I was a conservative democrat, and am in good company with Rick Perry and Ronald Reagan. I believe in do onto others as you wish for yourself. If someone attacks me, I would want help. If Israel is attacked, I would want to help them as it is the right thing to do. If you are a libertarian, you can say let everyone fend for themselves, and survival of the fittest, but then you are not a christian Conservative because that is evolution, and survival of the fittest. You are a liberal as I said before.

    Now it is not just Israel that needs protection. When Iraq took over Kuwait in 1990, we rushed in to liberate Kuwait as it was the right thing to do. I had cousins living in Kuwait at the time. I am glad the US helped. We needed to protect the oil fields and the world economy. Of course, if Israel can produce oil, or if we produce more oil, as Obama won’t do, it protects us from wars for oil somewhat.

  332. Tina | September 10, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    Ron Paul also fails to mention that the money the US gives to Israel in the form of loan guarantees has to be spent in the US often on US weapons which saves thousands of US jobs. he also fails to realize how many Israeli businessmen are in the US who have started companies employing thousands of Americans. Israel has discovered large reserves of gas and oil which could lower the price of oil, counteracting OPEC, and helping to improve the US economy. It is in our national interest to support Israel.

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    Good Points.

  333. By Tina’s own admission, she voted for Jimmy Carter, the creater of modern day Iran and Israel’s nemesis. She also voted for the following candidates, none of whom would have been good for Israel or the world ( or our country for that matter)…Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton (twice), JOHN KERRY (lol) and not sure about 2008 but it appears that she supported Hillary then.

    Before Carter, she would have voted for McGovern and LBJ (she said she has been a Democrat since Kennedy).

    A long list of anti-American socialist losers. All of which either were or could have been horrible for the middle East and Israel in particular. Who would have voted for these people? Ronald Reagan was long gone before this list of social misfits were representing the Democrat party.

    Now she and FS have had a transformation and the rest of us who have been on the right side of the coin all along need to stand up and listen to them?

  334. So now you are being uncivil, Paxson which you accuse others of. I am right. Like Obama , you accuse. Libertarians=Obama=liberals=misbehavior whooping it up anything goes

  335. Tina @ 3:13

    I NEVER said that I was a libertarian. You INFERRED that because you choose not to listen or understand. I said that “libertarianism” definitely falls under the umbrella of “conservatism” and plays a major role in the thought process. This was in response to a post that you made saying that “libertarians” weren’t “conservative”. I specifically mentioned Barry Goldwater, the founder of modern era “conservativism”.

    You likened “conservativism” to the church lady from Saturday Night Live and I said that “conservatism” was much more broad than just social behavior.

  336. Tina @ 3:22

    I’m not being uncivil. You and FS were having a private moment about the rest of us and I merely pointed out the facts as to whom you have voted for, by your own admission.

    In addition, you CANNOT have been a conservative Democrat if you were a Hillary supporter as recently as 2008.

    Enough said!
    3:22

  337. I was wrong on hillary. Sue me.

  338. Perhaps Barry Goldwater doesn’t ring a bell because you were too busy politicking for LBJ, George McGovern and Jimmy Carter, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, Bill Clinton, AL GORE, JOHN KERRY and Hillary Clinton in 2008 during that time and the 4 decades or so that followed.

  339. You likened “conservativism” to the church lady from Saturday Night Live and I said that “conservatism” was much more broad than just social behavior.
    ——

    I never mentioned SNL and don’t watch that nasty program.

  340. Tina | September 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm |

    Obviously, I was a conservative, and am in good company with Rick Perry and Ronald Reagan.
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    Definitely!

    One of the reasons I became an Independent was that I don’t like being labelled as the demRats are trying to do to you now. No political party is going to dictate to me who I have to vote for.

    I am ashamed to say that I voted for some democrats in local and State elections in the past but that ended in 2010 when I voted for a straight Republican Ticket, Local, State and Congressional.

    I started voting for Republicans for President in 1980 and I am very proud of my votes for President Reagan, Presidents Bush 41 & 43 and Senators Dole and McCain.

    And I am proud to say that I will be voting for Rick Perry in 2012.

  341. Christian conservatives are a large part of the GOP, a la Palin and Santorum. Again, I am in good company.

  342. You were wrong on Hlllary? You said you’ve been voting Democrat since JFK. What about the rest of the long cast of socialists that you supported? They are mentioned above.

  343. The difference between Tina and demRat paxson is that she is an ex-democrat like Presidents Reagan and Gov. Perry while paxson is still a boHillary demRat.

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    Paxson | March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm |

    “Hillary… is looking like Barry frigging Goldwater to me right now. She’s the only grown up in the room and…there is no doubt that she is an American and loves our country…”

  344. LBJ is being honored by Israel for helping to save thousands of Jews and bringing them to Texas. Just an aside.

  345. I mentioned SNL, it was a joke. The Church Lady was a character on that show and resembled your description of “conservative”.

    I’m not putting down Christian conservatives, I am one. You are missing the larger point.

  346. LBJ was a criminal who is the Godfather of the destruction of our Social Security Trust Fund. He was a “crony capitalist/socialist” who could be one of the most destructive President’s ever.

  347. Tina,

    I have watched demRat paxson pollute this forum for more than a year. It is best just to ignore him. The only time I address him is when I have caught him in another lie as I did last night when I exposed him for lying about being a parent and a family man. It is obvious from demRat paxson’s posts that he is no Christian Conservative.

  348. The point being that you, Tina, sure are pushy after voting/supporting Hilary, John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton (twice), Dukakis, Mondale, Carter, McGovern and LBJ. You’d think a little humility would be in order after discovering that for 50 years you’ve been supporting the demise of our constitution and country..

  349. Paxson, I said I have seen the light, but King was a republican when we marched with him. JFK was for Israel, lower taxes, civil rights and sending a man to the moon. I am still for these things. It is the Dems who moved to the far left. The GOP will need my vote to win, as few take libertarians seriously. That is why libertarians are part of the GOP when many support free porn, etc. Libertarians barely get a few percent of the vote. If you don’t embrace people like me as Reagan did with the Reagan Dems or middle of the road types, you will lose, and America will be worse off with obama. So go ahead. Bury your head in the sand, and then you will be responsible for Obama winning again, and that will be inexcusable.

  350. Orly Taitz Confronts Gov Rick Perry on Obama’s Fraudulent Connecticut Social Security Number – 9/8/11

  351. FS. I most certainly am a family man AND THEY HAVE NEVER ACCUSED ME OF ABUSE, unlike yours. In addition, I have never been incarcerated for assault nor held against my will and forcibly given anti-psychotic medication to straighten me out.

    No, Leo, this was you. I was more than willing to let bygones be bygones with you. But you are a relentless animal.

  352. Tina,

    demRat paxson doesn’t want bo to win. paxson is a hillary demRat. His intent by his hateful posts about you is to attempt to alienate you from voting for a Republican like Rick Perry who hillary doesn’t have a chance in hell of beating even with trump running as an Independent. As Rush said, demRats are terrified of Rick Perry because they know that can’t beat him.

  353. Libertarians (small l) don’t support free porn. Why don’t you open up a dictionary?

    libertarian:
    1. a person who advocates liberty; especially as it pertains to thought or conduct.
    2. a person who maintains the doctrine of “free will”

    This sounds like what our founding fathers were talking about doesn’t it?

  354. As Rush said, demRats are terrified of Rick Perry because they know that can’t beat him.

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    I hope that is true.

  355. Tina,

    demRat paxson doesn’t want bo to win. paxson is a hillary demRat. His intent by his hateful posts about you is to attempt to alienate you from voting for a Republican like Rick Perry who hillary doesn’t have a chance in hell of beating even with trump running as an Independent. As Rush said, demRats are terrified of Rick Perry because they know that can’t beat him.

  356. Tina | September 10, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
    As Rush said, demRats are terrified of Rick Perry because they know that can’t beat him.

    ————-

    I hope that is true.

    —————————————
    Rush is a brilliant man. I have been listening to him for almost 20 years now. He jokes and says he is right 99.6% of the time and he is not far off.

    Rush and Cheney have been urging hillary to run against bo. The are mocking hillary since they are politically astute to know that hillary will lose in a landslide to bo after beating him up for the Republicans in the primary. bo still has 70 % of the demRat vote.

  357. Libertarians (small l) don’t support free porn. Why don’t you open up a dictionary?

    libertarian:
    1. a person who advocates liberty; especially as it pertains to thought or conduct.
    2. a person who maintains the doctrine of “free will”

    This sounds like what our founding fathers were talking about doesn’t it?

    ——————
    I think you want to think the best of them. You ignore what they do regarding some personal behavior. Free will means the ability to do as you wish like watching porn. Of course the founding fathers were fighting tyrants then, but they accepted help from France, and by the way, a Jew financed much of the Revolution. True libertarians won’t put limits on Hollywood as conservatives wish. Read Goldwater since you mention him so much. Conservatives talk about a form of personal responsibility, fiscal restraint, and desire for freedom which in total guides a form of government.

  358. I never said that I didn’t or wouldn’t support Rick Perry, although I do have some questions that need to be adequately answered. Either way, if he wins I am supporting him over Obama.

    I just think that the two of you are bullies and have no concept as to what being a “conservative” is truly about….and Tina… no, the Church Lady from Saturday Night Live isn’t what Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan and others had in mind.

  359. 68truthseeker | September 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm |

    Excellent! Thanks! 68truthseeker

  360. libertarianism is a though process not a person. That’s what I’ve been saying for the better part of two days. (small l) libertarianism ensures that you have the freedom to assemble with your church to worship FREELY. (small l) libertarianism gives us the FREEDOM to interact here with FREE SPEECH (the concept, not the evil man). (small l) libertarianism allows us to form a TEA Party to protest our government…..

    …so on and so forth….It isn’t about giving people the ability to behave poorly. Typically poor behavior is penalized some how, some way..in the long run.

  361. libertarianism is a though process not a person. That’s what I’ve been saying for the better part of two days. (small l) libertarianism ensures that you have the freedom to assemble with your church to worship FREELY. (small l) libertarianism gives us the FREEDOM to interact here with FREE SPEECH (the concept, not the evil man). (small l) libertarianism allows us to form a TEA Party to protest our government…..

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    Yes. This is in the constitution. It means liberty. Liberals and conservatives believe this too. The point I added Is that Ron Paul takes this so far that he wants to isolate our friends which is dangerous for America, which I know you already agree with. Cabby stated it best above so I won’t repeat it.

  362. Tina | September 10, 2011 at 4:31 pm |

    Why do you continue to respond to demRat paxson’s IDIOTIC posts? Who cares what his definition of a libertarian is? By responding to him you merely prompt him to pollute the forum with his demRat BS.

  363. In god we trust, and I don’t watch SNL and have no idea who the church lady is, and don’t care.

  364. Liberty (libertarianism) is the very foundation of our country. Minimum government intervention into our private lives is the goal. Of course a civilized society should have some standards of behavior. But before freedom’s are limited, a thorough examination of the full impact of those limitations should be analyzed. This is “conservativism”.

  365. Just trying to say, FS, in my view, liberals are ironically a lot like libertarians, even if they don’t think so. I think the similarities are very interesting, with similar results in policies. That was my original point. IB asked me why an article about Ron Paul was against Israel and I answered why. Then Paxson jumped in. Bye for now.

  366. Tina @ 4:31

    Tina, go open up a dictionary and look up the defintion of “libertarian”. I gave it to you above, but read it for yourself. The top definition is a “person who advocates liberty”. I gave you several examples of what a “libertarian” form of government allows (freedom of assembly, speech etc.)

    Are you opposed to liberty? If you do not “advocate” libertarianism then you must.

  367. A “conservative” is not defined as “somebody who supports the State of Israel with military expenditures”. Although many “conservatives” like myself do support the State of Israel.

  368. “EXCLUSIVE: ‘BIN LADEN DEAD’ HOAX EXPOSED”

    “Alex Jones exposes the contrived “victory” in the War on Terror surrounding a man who many experts have said was already dead for years. After nearly a decade of “hunting” for Bin Laden, he is summarily shot in the head and allegedly dumped into the ocean (conveniently making the body unavailable). So goes the official life of Osama bin Laden (aka Tim Osman), one of the CIA’s most useful patsies and assets.”

  369. Tina. I jumped in after a comment that you made at 2:51. This was to challenge a bit of banter between two former Democrats trying to redefine what “conservativism” and “libertarianism” means to the Republican Party. The two of you act like you’ve been Republicans all of your life. Tina, you were a Democrat for 50 years. You voted for a long list of “anti-libertarian” socialists. Now you are mocking others here, who have been with the Republican party all of their lives and telling us we are wrong?

    I don’t think so……

  370. “SECRETS OF THE ROYAL WEDDING EXPOSED”

    * * * *

  371. “FIRST RESPONDERS DEMAND INVITATIONS TO 9/11 MEMORIAL CEREMONY” ~~ “FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE” ~~

    September 7, 2011

    Read More Here:
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/07/first-responders-demand-invitations-to-911-memorial-ceremony/

  372. Tina | September 10, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    Just trying to say, FS, in my view, liberals are ironically a lot like libertarians, even if they don’t think so. I think the similarities are very interesting, with similar results in policies. That was my original point. IB asked me why an article about Ron Paul was against Israel and I answered why. Then Paxson jumped in. Bye for now.

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    Your definition is correct, but you will never win an argument with those demRats MORONS because their only purpose here is to pollute the forum with BS.

  373. “KEEPING OUR EYE ON THE BALL”

    ~~ “DO AMERICANS REMAIN DISTRACTED IN THE WAKE OF IMMINENT DANGER?” ~~

    By One Pissed-off Vietnam Vet
    September 10, 2011

    “Is Islamic law a promoter of freedom or oppression?”

    Excerpt:

    “Americans have been exceedingly slow to grasp the danger that looms before them. And the danger is so in-your-face it’s utterly amazing that all Americans fail to see the writing on the wall. First, the putative president is a Muslim plant, an illegal immigrant whose job is to destroy the United States, and even the dumbest of us must realize by now that the economic crisis that we’re in is being done on purpose to weaken our country. Second, millions of Muslims have colonized our country, shore to shore, border to border, and to top it off, millions of illegal immigrants are given money and “rights” by the regime. Thirdly, Obama has allowed Islamic terrorist groups, such as C.A.I.R. and the Iranian-backed Muslim Brotherhood, to operate openly in this country.

    Western Civilization is at war with the followers of Islam, a political ideology that is a totalitarian political philosophy, not a religion. Naive do-gooders need to be aware that the Quran is anti-freedom and therefore anti-U.S. Constitution. Muslims are all around us, thanks to Obama and our morally decrepit Congress. The goal is the Islamization of the United States where you will either submit, or die.”

    Read More Here:
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/10/keeping-our-eye-on-the-ball/

  374. FS. She never provided a definition of libertarianism. She said it was people who wanted to misbehave. Talk about a dumbed down society.

  375. The Nutritional Supplement Prohibition Act

    If Arizona Senator John McCain has his way, many of the supplements you rely on for good health will disappear. And the cost of the few you can still get will explode in price.
    Earlier this month, Sen. McCain introduced a bill falsely labeled the “Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2010” (S. 3002). Sounds good, right? Nothing to worry about. McCain says: “Legitimate dietary supplement companies should have nothing to fear from this legislation. The purpose of the bill is not to create a sweeping regulatory structure, but instead a targeted structure that provides for openness, transparency and safety.”

    This bill would require every person involved with supplements – all the way down to mom-and-pop health food stores and multi-level-marketing distributors — to register with the FDA. Next, every “dietary supplement facility” must turn over a complete list of the products and ingredients they sell or handle.
    It gets worse. Should this bill become law, the state will determine if an ingredient can be sold. You see, under DSHEA passed in 1994, any ingredient sold before the bill passed could be sold legally forever. Well, no more.
    Under this bill, the FDA will assume any ingredient “adulterated” unless “there is a history of use or other evidence of safety.” Manufacturers and distributors must provide the FDA “with information, including any citation to published articles, which is the basis on which the manufacturer or distributor has concluded that a dietary supplement containing such dietary ingredient will reasonably be expected to be safe.”
    And guess who is the ultimate judge and jury? The FDA!

    A recent study shows there were ZERO deaths from supplement use in 2008. Zero. Nada. Ziltch. Big Pharma racked up about 150,000. Hospital infections another 48,000.

    http://dev.healthfreedoms.org/content/reject-s-3002-nutritional-supplement-prohibition-act

    Gosh, if we didn’t know better, we might think they’re trying to kill us
    sarc/

  376. Dabig. Thank you for sharing that. As a former athlete and avid outdoorsman, cycler, runner and excersize enthusiest this is truly alarming to me. I rely on supplements to feed my body and get me through my activities.

    This would be an example of how the federal government is destroying our liberties. Anti-libertarianism. Sure, they’ll say that they mean well, but in the long run our “free will” is being trampled on again. Will your church be next?

  377. Interested Bystander

    FS commented:

    “Your definition is correct, but you will never win an argument with those demRats MORONS because their only purpose here is to pollute the forum with BS.”

    If ANYONE is “polluting the forum with BS”, it would be YOU.

    Tina,

    Let me try it this way:

    Your personal behavior has NOTHING to do with your political ideology. When will people realize that you can’t “lump” people in to catagories?

    WE ARE INDIVIDUALS.

    For you to suggest that being conservative means that you have to thump the bible, or not smoke or drink, or that you have to be against abortion, or ANY other thing that INDIVIDUALS can decide for themselves, so long as it doesn’t infringe on other people’s rights, is simply not the way it is.

    As far as giving Israel money so that they can spend it on US goods, that philosophy does not compute to me. Giving ANY money to foreign countries in a time when we are BORROWING 40 cents out of every dollar we spend, makes your reasoning even more UNreasonable.

    When are the likes of you going to understand:

    WE DON’T HAVE THE MONEY TO “PROP UP” THESE NATIONS?

    And I’m not “against” abortion, if a woman wants 30 or 35 of them, who am I to tell her she can’t have them?

    I DON’T WANT TO PAY FOR THEM (or ANY form of contraception for that matter)

    You trying to equate personal behavior with political ideology has your mind all messed up.

    I’ll end with this:

    For you to try to suggest to me that I’m a libertarian, or whatever other lable you want to try to stick on me, it doesn’t phase me one bit.

    I AM A TRUE CONSERVATIVE, unlike some who have tried to water down “conservatism”.

    The Republican party of 2012 is the Democrat Party of 1961.

    THAT’S THE PROBLEM, people have lowered the bar of conservatism for the last 50 years.

    I want fiscal responsibility and THAT in itself makes me a “conservative”.

    You want to continue down the same boondoggle that has gotten us 14 TRILLION dollars in debt (oh your candidate wants to “slow down” the process, but the FACT is he wants to continue spending more than we bring in).

    It’s time for a REAL change, not a change from 150 mph to 102 mph.

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