Obama speech writer excels, Rhetoric doesn’t match actions, Obama camp continues Orwellian hate speech, Orwellian word smithing

Obama speech writer excels, Rhetoric doesn’t match actions, Obama camp continues Orwellian hate speech, Orwellian word smithing

“We control life, Winston, at all its levels. You are imagining that there is something called human nature which will be outraged by what we do and will turn against us. But we create human nature. Men are infinitely malleable.”…George Orwell, “1984″

The speech that Obama gave in Tucson recently was appropriate. The pep rally setting and actions of some in the audience were not. Obama’s speech writer did a good job and Obama read it well. However, these are just words, and as we know, actions speak louder than words.

The Citizen Wells blog began comparing our world, increasingly controlled by the Obama camp by mid 2008, to that of “1984” by George Orwell. The equivalent themes of lies being broadcast on the screens inside each home, the altering of history and hate speech, were all too reminiscent of a Orwellian society.

Sarah Palin, like Goldstein in “1984” and the Jews in Nazi germany, has been the focus of much of the hate emanating from the Obama camp.

Reprinted from Citizen Wells November 20, 2009.

“What has been will be again,
       what has been done will be done again;
       there is nothing new under the sun.”…Ecclesiastes 1:9 (NIV)

“I took with me certain simple criteria with which to measure.
That which made for more life, for physical and spiritual health, was good;
that which made for less life, which hurt, dwarfed and distorted life, was bad.”…Jack London

“Before the Hate had proceeded for thirty seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room.”
“the sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically.”
“He was an object of hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia.”
“There were also whispered stories of a terrible book, a compendium of all the heresies”
“In it’s second minute the Hate rose to a frenzy. People were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the tops of their voices”… George Orwell “1984″

 

 

Lies

Leftists

Liberalism

 If you are offended by references to the Bible, good versus evil or anything that is not politically correct, you are in the wrong place.

Everyone is tap dancing around the attacks on Sarah Palin. People with the best of intentions speak of her as a conservative female threatening the philosophies and positions of those on the left. Let’s call this what it is. This is a classic struggle between good and evil, right versus wrong.

The modern day Democrat Party is controlled by far left socialists who are driven by a message of hate. Hate George Bush, Hate America and recently Hate Sarah Palin. The Beatles, in their song “Revolution”, had this to say:

“But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait”

“You say you’ll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it’s the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow”

It seems the leftist Democrats have covered all the bases. Hate, change the Constitution and carrying pictures of  Chairman Mao (Anita Dunn).

Sarah Palin is not a perfect person, her humanity prevents that. She is, however a good person who loves her family, her country and follows her moral compass, her concept of God, the creator of all. She is against many of the ideological positions that have slowly taken hold of this country.

Sarah Palin represents what is right about this country. She tries to live her life by doing the right thing. She apparently intimidates those who believe:

  • Women should follow the dictates of the Democrat Party.
  • Abortion is always ok and should not be reserved for the lesser of evils.
  • There is no God.
  • There is no right or wrong.
  • The founding fathers and US Constitution are out of vogue and not relevant to modern issues.
  • European countries should be emulated.
  • A Government option will improve health care.
  • Global warming is real and is mainly the fault of Americans.
  • An endangered fish is more important than endangered humans.
  • Drilling for oil is always wrong.
  • Terrorists are regular criminals with constitutional rights.
  • Patriotism, Religion and Guns are not fashionable.

I am next going to refer to Jesus of Nazareth. The life and tenets of Jesus are known by Christians, Jews and Muslims, so most of you should understand what I am about to write. While Sarah Palin cannot be compared to Jesus on one level, reactions to the good in Sarah Palin and other children of the light are paralleled in the reactions to Jesus, his teachings and actions.  The hypocrites and evil doers of Jesus’ time attacked him and demanded  his crucifixion.

The modern day hypocrites have put Sarah Palin under a microscope. They employ legions to fact check her statements and her new book and gave Barack Obama a free ride on his books and election campaign. As Jesus would state, they look for a speck in Palin’s eye and ignore the beam in theirs.
I wish to make an important point. It is ok to disgree with Sarah Palin. Since Palin embraces American values, she would be the first to agree. It is not ok to trash, lie about and attack Sarah Palin. This is wrong (remember, most of us believe in right and wrong.) When you attack Sarah Palin, you attack America and decent Americans and we are not going to take it anymore.

This is fair warning to those, and I do not care who you are, who viciously attack Sarah Palin. If you are a company like NewsWeek, that belittled Palin with the sexist magazine cover, we are going to boycott you. If you are a politician, we are going to run you out of office. If I personally hear someone attack Palin, I am going to quietly get in their face and ask why they hate America. I suggest you do the same.

Generally, I do believe we should pray for those who have lost their way. However, there is a concept called righteous indignation. A response, sadly lacking in many of those who profess to be Christians. And how ironic. Jesus, who was all about love for thy neighbor, entered the temple, saw the moneychanger’s wrongful acts, and overturned the tables in righteous indignation.

The lesson is simple. We must rise up in righteous indignation and say no more to attacks on Sarah Palin and others.

And be certain you are clear about this.

This is a struggle between good and evil.

 

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”… Ephesians 6:12.

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135 responses to “Obama speech writer excels, Rhetoric doesn’t match actions, Obama camp continues Orwellian hate speech, Orwellian word smithing

  1. Contact your congressman, senators, County Sheriff, DA, State Legislators, Governor, and County Grand Jury Foreman and demand that they indict and prosecute BO and all his local co-conspirators for the Murders and False Imprisonment of Opponents of the BO regime, Birth Document Forgeries, TSA Sexual Assaults & Illegal Searches, Election Fraud,Voter Fraud, Identity Theft, Illegal Foreign Campaign Contributions, Aiding and Abetting of Muslim Terrorists, Poisoning of the Gulf of Mexico, Theft of Private Property, Embezzlement of Government funds, WikiLeaks etc.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

  2. Excellent Information on how to get BO and his cohorts Indicted.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/01/12/the-power-of-the-grand-jury-can-be-ours-once-again/

  3. http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/01/14/obama%e2%80%99s-memorial-and-pep-rally/comment-page-1/#comment-41288

    In an Excellent Article on P&E, Sher Zieve voiced her disgust with BHO’s consort with his depraved cabal in Arizona. The vile hideousness of BHO’s degenerate display of perversity is more than enough to render most decent Americans speechless.

    The hypocritical irony that has been missed by most is that the Arizona Killer was a supporter of BHO; and Congresswoman Giffords was a strong critic of the BHO regime’s aiding and abetting of the flooding of murderous Mexican Terrorists into Arizona.

    Sher Zieve exposes the Fact that BHO’s cohort, Dupnik, was on notice that BHO Supporter Loughner was a threat to Congresswoman Giffords and he neglected to do anything to stop Lougher from murdering Judge Roll et al.

  4. Rob | January 14, 2011 at 4:00 pm |

    OBOTS EXPOSED!!
    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/exclusive-investigation-frantic-effort-to-stop-questions-on-obama-eligibility?CID=examiner_alerts_article

    ————————————————————————————

    We have exposed Obots here on CW, most are mere trolls, the worst are the Ring Leader Obot Plants like Obot carlyle.

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/a-guide-to-trolls/

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/26/outing-obamas-internet-brownshirts/

  5. “Meroni v. Illinois State Board of Elections: Eligibility Case Lawyered Up & Filing”

    “As yet, no governmental authority has been been successfully brought to accountability to America’s Constitution and its People, concerning the “natural born Citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution.

    This requirement, by intellectually honest analysis of its original and inviolable intent and meaning, requires a U.S. President to have U.S. Citizens as his birth parents, plus it precludes him from being born in a foreign country, at least in the case this grants him citizenship rights in that country.”

    http://gulagbound.com/10962/meroni-v-illinois-state-board-of-elections-eligibility-case-lawyered-up-filing

  6. This is what Obot carlyle and his Pro-BO SYCOphants are doing on CW.

  7. Sir William – you had a FOIA request to State which you posted on awhile ago. Forgive me for not remembering but where can I go to look at the records you received? Thanks in advance, h

  8. Very well said, Citizen Wells. I don’t think many have grasped the true dimension of what is going on. It is a spiritual struggle. A return to faith in God and the teachings and values of the Holy Scriptures is the only way out of this situation. The Left has aligned itself with Godlessness and immorality. So has our popular culture and so has our national government. The reason Sarah Palin now and George Bush before were so hated by the Left is they are people of Faith. Your quote from Saint Paul to the Ephesians is very appropriate.

  9. charlesmountain

    Unfortunately you have hit the nail on the proverbial head. It has come down to good versus evil. Never has a President so divided a country. And I have never seen so much hate and calling for people to die in my life. At some point I would like to see a publication listing all the archived hate and death comments from the left.

  10. charlesmountain | January 14, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Unfortunately you have hit the nail on the proverbial head. It has come down to good versus evil. Never has a President so divided a country. And I have never seen so much hate and calling for people to die in my life. At some point I would like to see a publication listing all the archived hate and death comments from the left.
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    http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/10/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric-pt-2/

  11. Carlyle–if you’re still around, apparently in the name of “free speech,” CW is allowing the bloviations of the nom de plume of the same name to practice his craft here. It is useless to try and figure out what the bloviator’s motivation might be. But with his railing accusations he is obviously overcome by the same negative force we are all trying to avoid and resist. Using the same kind of smear tactics that the Left uses puts one on the same godless level.

  12. TIME OUT!

  13. citizenwells | January 14, 2011 at 5:08 pm | TIME OUT!

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    Thanks CW!

  14. It was less a “pep rally” and more a campaign speech.

  15. Again, Sir William at what site can I go to to review the State Dept records you and a colleague uploaded for the public to view awhile ago?

  16. http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/01/12/the-power-of-the-grand-jury-can-be-ours-once-again/

    Justice William O. Douglas: “The Constitution is not neutral. It was designed to take the government off the backs of the people.”

    Abraham Lincoln: “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

    Our Founding Fathers never intended for us to be lorded over by corrupt criminals in the White House and Congress. To the contrary, our Founding Fathers intended for We the People to have control over our Government and our politicians.

    Our Founding Fathers gave us the Power of the 4th Branch of Government, the Grand Jury, it is time to use it.

  17. CW – as a fellow blog owner, I empathize with you and this challenge. It seems to be growing in intensity. Just a friendly and unsolicited piece of advice – put your mental wellness as the owner of this blog first. No one should have to play babysitter and waste valuable time doing so; especially since we’re all on the same team striving to meet the same goal – TRUTH!

  18. Pattie | January 14, 2011 at 5:26 pm | It was less a “pep rally” and more a campaign speech.

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    Whatever you call BO’s Consort with his Perverse Followers in Arizona it was DISGUSTING!

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/01/14/obama%e2%80%99s-memorial-and-pep-rally/

  19. Thanks Helen.
    Amen.

  20. Margie | January 14, 2011 at 1:10 pm |

    Was Loughton paid to do what he did?

    ————————————-
    It is more likely BO Supporter Arizona Killer Loughner was programmed by BO cohorts in Arizona to murder Judge Roll and Congresswoman Giffords and it is a FACT that BO Supporter Arizona Killer Loughner was INCITED to MURDER by BO’s VIOLENT RHETORIC.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/01/14/obama%e2%80%99s-memorial-and-pep-rally/

  21. http://www.westernjournalism.com/reminder-about-violent-rhetoric-obama-%E2%80%98if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun%E2%80%99/

    That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

  22. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=249461#ixzz1B2gEb0w9

    Would crackdown on language include Obama?
    A Democrat who has pursued a wide range of leftist causes and has drawn the praise of ex-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi now wants to ban language and symbols that could be used to perceive a threat against a federal official.

    So the question is whether it would allow statements such as:

    “So I know whose ass to kick.”

    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

    and “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.”
    That’s because those statements all come from Barack Obama.

    Read more: Would crackdown on language include Obama? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=249461#ixzz1B2gEb0w9

  23. http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/8916705/

    Obama’s Violent Rhetoric

    A Democrat who has pursued a wide range of leftist causes and has drawn the praise of ex-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi now wants to ban language and symbols that could be used to perceive a threat against a federal official.

    So the question is whether it would allow statements such as:

    “So I know whose ass to kick.”
    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
    and “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.”
    That’s because those statements all come from Barack Obama.

  24. http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/did-barack-obama-cause-the-shootings-yesterday-in-tucson/

    The media and democrats want us to focus on the nation’s “caustic political climate” after the tragedy yesterday. Maybe they should start with President Obama.
    He may be the worst offender.

    ** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
    ** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    ** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
    ** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
    ** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    If the media really wants to improve the “caustic political climate” they may want to start at the White House.

  25. CW,

    Time Out?

    For a single person (FreeSpeech) contentiously and continuing to provoke, accuse, and obviously bully tactic with aggressive rhetoric against other American Citizens, working diligently whilst being name called over the days, weeks, months and nearly a year?

    Certainly, any newcomers, need not read the “All Of You are OBOTS” rhetoric and “ITS YOUR MESSIAH” if you disagree with me the all knowing Leo Freespeech, of which, has absolutely done nothing, but provoke and accuse.

  26. CW – I know this site costs you money. Could you please give us an estimate how much the average cost is per comment , so that we can figure out which commenters are causing you the most expense. THIS IS NO JOKE. I am sure that most of your followers would be more than happy to help out. Just give us some figures.
    ms. helga

  27. Yes it is Good v Evil. What good is it to know right from wrong, if you do nothing about the wrong? When those that are suppose to enforce the laws, are the ones breaking the law? It is time to take it to the streets, educate the ignorant. Stay safe, God Bless.

  28. Interested Bystander

    Sir William,

    I couldn’t agree more.

    Did you see Helen’s request above?

  29. I know of “Violent” Rhetoric right here in this website, its derives from the user FreeSpeech.

    How many links should I post, or one can easily look up? Accuse me or others of Mental illness, Sociopaths or psychopaths because we disagree, or male servants and slaves as the poster Freespeech stated, then how should an individual respond if CW will not respond?

    Personally, I don’t believe in attacking any individual for their paradigm or research/participation. This excludes Leo whom attacks everyone and does nothing. Productive for this site? Absolutely not. Quelling the User FreeSpeech, Zero possibility, as the last year has shown.

    Time out?

    To Whom? Everyone but……….

  30. Were Judge Roll and Congresswoman Giffords targeted for assasination by the BO regime because they opposed BHO regime’s aiding and abetting of the flooding of murderous Mexican Terrorists into Arizona?

  31. CW..you quote from the book, “1984”, and I have always thought this passage could shed some light on our modern-day conundrum…

    “The question is a philosophical, anthropological, and psychological one, and perhaps also a religioius one. It is: can human nature be changed in such a way that man will forget his longing for freedom, for dignity, for integrity, for love–that is to say, can man forget that he is human?”

    As I see it, if we’re not there yet, I fear we’re on our way…May God have mercy on us.

    CW..you quote from the book, “1984”, and I have always thought this passage could shed some light on our modern-day conundrum…

    “The question is a philosophical, anthropological, and psychological one, and perhaps also a religioius one. It is: can human nature be changed in such a way that man will forget his longing for freedom, for dignity, for integrity, for love–that is to say, can man forget that he is human?”

    As I see it, if we’re not there yet, I fear we’re on our way…May God have mercy on us.

  32. CW – regards “TIME OUT” – – –

    I posted to you earlier today two very specific requests that would help immensely if you answered:

    1. had to do with a accusation FS made of something you did or do – please confirm explicitely whether FS is right or wrong –

    2. had to do with whether you approved of the ongoing name calling and ankle biting, and the subsequent embarassment of this blog – the problem will not go away unless you address it by name and call it what it is –

    As we can all notice – whenever you publish a general “tone it down” message, FS is almost always the first one to explicitely violate your wishes – and therefore slaps you in the face. Or like in this most recent instance, he revels in your message like it were directed at everybody but him.

    TO ALL:

    No, we CANNOT all just get along. With the level of poison pervading this blog, just like with name calling against Sarah Palin, we are approaching Right and Wrong, and even Good and Evil, in that there is stronger and stronger evidence that this blog has been penetrated.

    You all need to weigh in. CW needs to understand that this is a battle between the dark and the light and not one or two individuals.

    I will continue trying to remove the shades of gray and show the sides and the issues in stark black and white. YOUR job – all of you – is then to “vote” and tell CW which is the dark and which is the light.

    I have been pointedly accused of being the ringleader of the Obots. I will not take that sitting down. I will accept being a ringleader if that is my assigned lot. But I will not accept being called an Obot.

    Tell CW who is right and who is wrong.

    It cannot be gray. There IS a correct answer.

  33. Were Judge Roll and Congresswoman Giffords targeted for assasination by the BO regime because they opposed BHO regime’s aiding and abetting of the flooding of murderous Mexican Terrorists into Arizona?

    http://www.infowars.com/murdered-judge-wanted-to-talk-to-giffords-about-border-violence-immigration/

    Murdered Judge Wanted to Talk to Giffords About Border Violence, Immigration.

  34. Margie | January 14, 2011 at 1:10 pm |

    Was Loughton paid to do what he did?

    ————————————-
    It is more likely BO Supporter Arizona Killer Loughner was programmed by BO cohorts in Arizona to murder Judge Roll and Congresswoman Giffords and it is a FACT that BO Supporter Arizona Killer Loughner was INCITED to MURDER by BO’s VIOLENT RHETORIC.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/01/14/obama%e2%80%99s-memorial-and-pep-rally/

  35. Whoa…double post??? how’d I do that??

  36. CW – I’ll answer ms. helga’s question for you, if you don’t mind.

    The most precious commodity to a blog owner is his/her “TIME!” Something much more precious than $$$ if you’d ask me. CW may feel otherwise. Time is $$$ for CW b/c he’s working hard to get his newspaper off of the ground. He does not have the “time” to referee or babysit this thread. His precious “time” is his money!

    As a blog owner, one expects posters to be appropriate and when in disagreement to state said disagreement, quite frankly, as an “adult” would.
    That is with fact absent personal attacks.

    Here’s a real life example. I, the fifth child out of six know it alls, four of them boys/now men, would state a thought and immediately be put on the defensive by the know it all boys. I learned to fight tooth and nail to protect my point even if I was a hundred percent wrong. Why? B/c they would stoop to the personal by calling me names which were hurtful just to be right. Right never mattered to me. What has always mattered were the facts and the truth.

    This need to be “right” behavior is played out here often. When one finally accepts the fact that their peace of mind is more important than proving a point or winning an argument the sooner this thread will mature into the dialogue many who post here are starving to have.

    Personal attacks only show weakness in one’s argument, position or defense. Therefore, don’t engage. Simply don’t give fuel to those who wish to drag you down to a level of discourse you do not wish to devolve into.

    Honor your own integrity. Take my word for it, many skip over the discourse that is shouting and or demeaning of others. We pay no attention, and this includes astute lurkers. But we do pay attention to those posts that stay focused and are meaningful to the “topic” and add value to this ongoing conversation many of us have had for three years running now.

    As a long time poster here, please, check your comment before posting, step away for a few minutes to catch your breath before posting and be certain the comment reflects the “topic” and adds value to all of our understanding.

    This national “betrayal” is huge and we all bring different details, facts and viewpoints to the conversation. All should be respected AND all should be honored. No one person has the answers. No one person can solve this. No one person can do what is necessary, alone.

    So, get rid of the personal and let’s focus on the facts.

    Best to you always, CW,
    h

  37. OK – back to business – here is something we all need to add and multiply our wisdom and help work out. It will probably hit CW in that this is his blog and he and maybe no more than a dozen other such citizen blog owners have been the most vocal. Here is the dilemma for CW.

    What happens if someday soon some Federal Officials come visit in person. Not dicks or ghostbusters – but somebody nationally important – maybe somebody you know or know of. Suppose they inform you that enough is enough. They had hoped this would all die away but it has not. Due to CW and a few others, the pot keeps getting stirred.

    Suppose they ask nicely that you cease and desist? No threats. Just a simple explanation that the Utmost in National Security is at stake. And for that reason they ask you to stand down. What do you do?

    Don’t say this is a hypothetical question – or cross that bridge when you get to it. It is CERTAIN to happen and happen sooner than later. As all us bees are randomly poking about, one of us will accidentally get too close to the truth. Maybe it is a lawyer (like Apuzzo), or a citizen (like TerriK), or a military hero (like Lakin). The possibilities are endless. But I feel this is a next shoe to drop – soon.

    It does not seem like an easy question to answer – out of the blue, or on the fly. It would seem far better to anticipate such things and have a worked out answer and plan. It is what the military calls readiness training. They imagine possible threats and then work out AHEAD OF TIME a strategy and tactic. Even to the point of playing war games.

    So here is a good place to start.

    Are we willing to roll over on the eligibility issue for the sake of National Security. Are we willing to forgo our heart’s desire of seeing Soetoro tried for this “worst criminal fraud ever” with an appropriate sentence? Is domestic and international security more important than “following the constitution”? Before you have a knee jerk reaction to that question, consider this. Well over 50% (some say 90%) of all the things the Federal Government does already are unconstitutional already. How much worse is this than any of those, and what price are you willing to pay for enforcing THIS one out of many?

    As far as I know, no patriot or important “birther” has ever gone toe to toe with a member of the PTBs yet. If you/we ever do, this will be the nature of the discussion.

    I maintain that it is better to get it sorted out among ourselves BEFORE the event, rather than be caught unsure and stammering in the limelight.

    SO – START YOUR ENGINES – let the discussion begin – – –

  38. Carlyle, had you been meeting in 1776 with the Founders, they would have evicted you from the room and asked you go join your Tory friends.

  39. Were Judge Roll and Congresswoman Giffords targeted for assasination by the BO regime because they opposed BHO regime’s aiding and abetting of the flooding of murderous Mexican Terrorists into Arizona?


    http://www.infowars.com/murdered-judge-wanted-to-talk-to-giffords-about-border-violence-immigration/

    Murdered Judge Wanted to Talk to Giffords About Border Violence, Immigration.

  40. Carlyle – I more than understand your deep passion regarding 0 and I agree with much of what you state.

    Where “we” part company is when you put CW on the spot for him to choose “CW who is right and who is wrong.”

    CW has said through his silence he is not going to choose one man over another. He’s been saying this w/o uttering the first word for more than a year now. Obviously he has no desire to make such a decison, and honestly, I agree with him.

    What man would put another man in such a posititon to choose one’s manliness over another? What a horrible thing to be asking of CW.

    From a woman, who’s probably more tomboy than anything, don’t ask CW who is more man the other! The response you’ll receive may not be what you want to hear. I know who will win that question and so do you.

    So, cheap as it may be, my advice, cool those jets and deal with this maddening situation as honorable men. Debate the fine points with the facts and stand up for yoursleves as honorable, smart and passionate men.

    Don’t allow yourselves to be dragged down into the pond of no return; especially since this isn’t a playground you are familiar with. Use those smarts. And make sure whatever the debate may be is on your terms and not another’s. If it’s on anothers, BIG CLUE, don’t play.

    Trust me, once you define your boundaries the sooner we will see the true warriors emerge that you are all vying to be. Sharpen your skills here but don’t show disrespect to the very person who is providing you with this forum and who is unwilling to decide who is the bigger man.

  41. Here was my 2 cents earlier today –

    Carlyle | January 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm |

    “If you ever expect a PTB to listen to you, you need to understand this and have ready an answer to them that placates their fear. Do any of us have such an argument?”
    _______________________________________________
    THE BALL IS IN HIS COURT

    It would be easy to sit here and say that the PTBs got us into this mess and now let them get us out of it. They assumed the Power of God to make the selection for us, and By God let them now get us out of it. However, the predicament is obvious enough to scare one to death. I see only one-way out with the least amount of harm or destruction. The USURPER, and he is by all Constitutional standards, must decide NOT to run in the next election. IF he loves this country as he emotes, then he will be looked on as a hero by his followers. On the other hand, if his narcissism has a hold on his soul, he will again seek reelection and the whole house of cards will come crashing down destroying our Nation. THE BALL IS IN HIS COURT.

    PS – UNITED WE STAND – DIVIDED WE FALL

  42. PS – It wont be long now until EVERYONE will know that there is an “Eligibility Issue”. Soon the Rush Limbaughs,Sean Hannitys, O’Reileys, Fox cable, all the Republican Congress and Senate will realize that THEIR REPUTATIONS will go down with the TITANTIC if they don’t act soon before is is too late. Only they can save the nation.

  43. Bill G | January 14, 2011 at 6:58 pm |

    Carlyle, had you been meeting in 1776 with the Founders, they would have evicted you from the room and asked you go join your Tory friends.

    ———————————————————-
    Loyalists were American colonists who remained loyal to the Kingdom of Great Britain (and the British monarchy) during the American Revolutionary War. They were often referred to as Tories, Royalists, or King’s Men by the Patriots. When their cause was defeated, about 20% of the Loyalists fled or were driven out of the US to resettle in other parts of the British Empire…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_(American_Revolution)

  44. Carlyle,

    Ponder this for the discussion
    “We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God’s good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old.”
    – Prime Minister Winston Churchill (after the fall of France)

  45. While all of those who signed the original Declaration of Independence saw their families murdered with no living individual alive to truly provide eye witness account. Read the Preamble to the US Constitution FS, and tell me if these FF weren’t talking about two starkly different bodies – theirs and the pilgrims. And while you are at it, tell me why so many of those FFs died with thousands in debt i.e., Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Washington and others. These men were funded to a point but by whom? Jefferson died so much in debt that his own children were immediately counted amongst the impoverished.

    Who paid for this man’s, as well as other of the FF’s, lavish lifestyle? It wasn’t America…

  46. The reason Sarah Palin now and George Bush before were so hated by the Left is they are people of Faith.

    ~~~George Bush??? people of faith?? Oh…PUH—LEEZE!!!~~~

  47. THE MATRIX AND
    THE U. S. CONSTITUTION
    By: no name (hidden for his safety)

    INTRODUCTION:

    During my twelve years service as a Judge, I always insisted on the truth and placed justice above law and order. I could have prepared this article indicia of a research paper; however, people tend to lose interest when articles of this nature become too technical. Science has taught us that “For every action there is a positive reaction.” If your life on earth resembles a Matrix, it is because you’re seeing things for the first time, with eyes wide open, but you feel confused! That feeling of confusion is appropriate because the information you are now digesting, contradicts much of the information you have been spoon fed throughout your life! I named this paper after the movie “The Matrix” written by the Wachowsi brothers. After reading this, watch the movie and you will notice many similarities.

    In 2002, my brother ran into a problem with the IRS and to help him out, I began to research the Tax Code. One thing led to another and suddenly I was uncovering information about our government, which was directly in conflict with the U. S. Constitution and what I have been led to believe throughout my life. In time I began to interface with people from every state in the Republic, who were doing the same thing I was doing, some for the same reason and others for different reasons. We began to trade our research and the facts I uncovered were totally in contradiction to the history of America which had been taught to us in public school and the principals of law I had absorbed during my service as a Judge. I began to assist people to prepare and file suits in the courts and I filed several of my own. At one point, because of the information I’m about to provide to you, I became extremely depressed. After about three months, I eventually shook it off and continued on with my research.

    My hope in writing this is to help you, the reader, make sense of it all, which will require you to wash your mind clean of the brainwashing you were subjected to by our government, our government-controlled public schools and churches and reeducate yourself. When you understand the actions, the reactions will make sense, and it should anger you! Eventually, you will have a choice to make; a choice that will define “How to survive life in The Matrix?” In ‘The Matrix’ nothing is real; however, your mind has been conditioned to believe it is real! The Matrix is far too big to defeat; no one can escape it, and we haven’t the means or intelligence to beat those in control! Through my research, I discovered that America is a society of functional illiterates! I remind you that this is not my opinion; I’m just the messenger!

    The people in charge of the Matrix represent the most powerful and intelligent humans on earth. When gifted children appear in the public schools of the world, they are courted with scholarships, money and eventually memberships into secret societies. They will be introduced to very persuasive intellectuals, who will convince these young gifted people that it is their place and duty to be a part of the elite who rule the world’s population because the rest of the world’s population is too stupid to make decisions for themselves (their comment – not mine). When the “New World Order” is officially and openly in control, only the extremely intelligent will be allowed to propagate. Everyone else will be sterilized or murdered through staged pandemics, used to eliminate excessive populations. Every foreign revolution, the World Wars, the Depression, Prohibition, Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East conflict and the influenza epidemic during World War I were planned and orchestrated by these people.

    Many early writers researched much of this history and were forced to fund their own publication and the distribution of their work. Most never received the acclaim they deserved and never knew our government was responsible for their failures! I am prepared to supply anyone interested with mounds of research in support of what I have written herein!

    When I’ve conveyed parts of this information in court documents, the opposition’s lawyer responds to their clients that “I’m just crazy,” and if the judge is within earshot of that comment, he will nod his head in judicial agreement. Well, I guess that caps it! If a lawyer and a lawyer judge, both contend that I am crazy, then I must be crazy! They wouldn’t lie to you ………. or would they?

    THE motive of our Founding Fathers was totally self-centered. It was their personal greed that inspired them to accept the task of writing the Constitution of the United States and not patriotism. In actuality, the United States is not a land or a place: ‘It is a corporation, a legal fiction that existed well before the Revolutionary War.’ [See: Republica v. Sween, 1 Dallas 43 and 28 U. S. C. 3002 (15)].

    The Constitution of the United States was written in secret by the Founding Fathers and was never presented to the Colonists for a vote. Surely, any document as important as this demanded the approval of the people it governed! Well, it wasn’t presented for a vote because the Constitution wasn’t created for “We the People;” it was created by and for the Founding Fathers, their family, heirs and their posterity. The Constitution is a business plan and any reference contained within it that appears to be the safeguard of a ‘Right’ is there because none of the Founding Fathers trusted each other. The safeguards were intended to prevent any one or group of them from cutting out the others, proving that “There’s no honor among thieves.” Americans are not unlike all other humans who inhabit the earth. All human beings possess malleable minds, which are minds that can be shaped and controlled; and when government shapes and controls a mind, it’s called “brainwashing.” Brainwashing causes the subject to become ‘functionally illiterate.’ In America, our functional ignorance excels in the areas of history, government and law, which really are one in the same. Ninety-eight percent of the officials in public office are lawyers and these so-called representatives set policy and create the laws that govern this society. Their use of Greek and Latin terms in law and the habit of changing definitions and usage of common words is intentional. The intent is to confound and confuse the general public and to hide the treason they are implementing and so that members of the public are forced (or decide) to hire a lawyer out of frustration, rather than try to represent themselves in our ‘fictional courts of law.’ As you read on I’ll explain to you why and how, our courts and laws are fictional.

    There has never been a law on the books created by the Congress which made it illegal for a common man to practice law. Every Judge of a District, Circuit or Appeal Court, except Justices and Magistrates, is a lawyer and a member of the Bar. These Judges have the authority to establish local rules of court and those mentioned have created a local rule that prevents common people from representing any other person in their court or ‘to practice law without a license.’ A license requires that you produce your Bar Association number. For those who don’t know, the Bar Association is simply a ‘Lawyers Union’; and when lawyers are accepted into the Bar, they are required to swear allegiance to a foreign power! The American Bar Association is a branch of a national organization titled “The National Lawyers Guild Communist Party” and can be found recorded in the United States Code at: 28 U. S. C. 3002, section 15a. They have become so big and entrenched that they no longer fear reprisal!
    ________________

    and there is so much more…

  48. This is a repeat post

    There is a famous photo of four national leaders standing before the American flag. The Pledge of Allegiance was being recited. Three of them have their hands on their heart–one does not. The one who didn’t have his hand on his heart was Obama. Obama once described the National Anthem as inspiring to violence and war. He wants a new one.

    Last night he told every one to put their hand over their hearts and pay attention to the words of the National Anthem. What a hypocrite.

    Obama went to speak at a Christian school and insisted all the Christian religious symbols and statues be covered. Last night he quoted from the Bible instead of the Quran. That must have been painful for him!

    Our we beginning to see the powerful influence of Bill Daly, from Chicago, his new chief of staff over Obama? Suddenly Obama is becoming an American patriot and a Christian? The entire speech was too long winded and disingenuous to me. The sad thing is there are too many people with short memories to see through the usurping, lying fraud.

  49. According to Rush, the “Together We Thrive” slogan used at the Arizona memorial service originated from the DNC’s “Organizing for America” operation, an off-shoot of the Obama Campaign.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/rush-memorial-t-shirt-slogan-together-we-thrive-originated-at-dncs-organizing-for-america/

  50. Oh, for heaven’s sake…Oldsalt called me an obot one day…I got over it…geeze!

  51. many of us, educated with BA, BS or MAs and more, are more than aware of the Original Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution aka the Titles of Nobility amendment which was disappeared during the War of 1812.

    FS, I’ve spent months and months and months researching and reviewing original journals, letters and newspapers regarding this original 13th amd and I can tell you, Sir, your Title of Nobility means nothing to me and I pray it means nothing to you either.

    But I know my history told to me by first sources, yep, those FFs. Remember, I live in Richmond, I’m a patriot and I truly care, heart and soul, with what is happening to my country.

    Truth matters. Nothing else does.

  52. Helen | January 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm |

    Carlyle – I more than understand your deep passion regarding 0 and I agree with much of what you state.

    Where “we” part company is when you put CW on the spot for him to choose “CW who is right and who is wrong.”

    =================================

    Not quite right. I did not ask CW to primarily choose between two opinions or two people. I only asked two things:

    1. If somebody says something factually that CW knows the answer to – in particular, when party A asserts that CW does this and so – I have only asked CW to verify that he CW indeed does or does not do thus and so. An eminently reasonable request.

    2. I have also asked CW if he reads the posts here and is happy with the extreme over the top name calling. It is only one person doing it. Is this acceptable on CW blog, yes or no. Again an important and reasonable request.

    Let’s remove it to arm’s length from me. FS has repeatedly called Dean M various nasty names for his CIA theory. I have no problem with FS or anybody else saying that do not agree with Dean M. But we cannot have a civil embarassment-free conversation here with that level of playground bullying. Similarly especially recently, FS has REALLY DUMPED on Sir William – one of the most sane and tame commenters here. My reasonable question to CW. Is this how you want to run your blog?

    Finally – and now this is REALLY critical. Above and beyond opinions and free exchange, has this blog been infiltrated? Is it not a primary function of a blogmaster to ponder that question once in a while and take appropriate action, as needed?

    I think there is MORE THAN ENOUGH HARD EVIDENCE that action is needed.

  53. Observer | January 14, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    According to Rush, the “Together We Thrive” slogan used at the Arizona memorial service originated from the DNC’s “Organizing for America” operation, an off-shoot of the Obama Campaign.

    http://www.breitbart.tv/rush-memorial-t-shirt-slogan-together-we-thrive-originated-at-dncs-organizing-for-america/

    ————————————————————
    Yes BO was lying about the origin of TOGETHER WE THRIVE. It was first considered as a campaign theme for BO in 2008.

  54. Bill G | January 14, 2011 at 6:58 pm |

    Carlyle, had you been meeting in 1776 with the Founders, they would have evicted you from the room and asked you go join your Tory friends.

    ———————————————————-
    Loyalists were American colonists who remained loyal to the Kingdom of Great Britain (and the British monarchy) during the American Revolutionary War. They were often referred to as Tories, Royalists, or King’s Men by the Patriots. When their cause was defeated, about 20% of the Loyalists fled or were driven out of the US to resettle in other parts of the British Empire…

  55. Helen | January 14, 2011 at 8:23 pm |

    Truth matters. Nothing else does.

    ================================

    Are you trying to answer some of my urgent questions from above? Are you saying that Truth matters more than National Security? What happens if the Truth puts hundreds or thousands of our military leaders directly into the International Courts for war crimes? Are you willing to pay that price to reveal the Truth to the world? What happens if the Truth causes civil war?

    We desperately need to toss that concept around and see if we can test the waters. We are quickly coming to that.

    Regarding a poster above who insinuated I would be kicked out of a meeting of the Founding Fathers. I think not. The same questions were important then. These questions have to be asked. Many people thought the price of revolution was too high. Some thought otherwise – Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death! In the end, the revolutionists won the day. History happened.

    So, the same questions here – and there may be many answers – What price are you willing to pay for The Truth?

  56. Bill G | January 14, 2011 at 6:58 pm | Carlyle, had you been meeting in 1776 with the Founders, they would have evicted you from the room and asked you go join your Tory friends.

    ~~~And whichever side of the room you retreat to—I’m behind you, as are most patriots. Thank you for so succinctly expressing my feelings.~~~

  57. ms.helga | January 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm |

    PS – It wont be long now until EVERYONE will know that there is an “Eligibility Issue”. Soon the Rush Limbaughs,Sean Hannitys, O’Reileys, Fox cable, all the Republican Congress and Senate will realize that THEIR REPUTATIONS will go down with the TITANTIC if they don’t act soon before is is too late. Only they can save the nation.

    ================================

    Tell me more. What makes you think this. I feel the issue receding and slipping away. What POSSIBLE motivation do any of the PTBs have for stirring this particular caldron? I would love to know.

    Instead, as I stated earlier today. I see the eligibility issue being pushed harder and harder under the water. I see a movement to oust “the worst president ever” on other grounds.

    The only exception to this is the possible new laws requiring stronger eligibility checks at the state level. If any of these stick, BS will just not stand for election again. He will quietly withdraw with some cockamamie excuse. His best bet might be to claim that he has AIDS and can’t physically heft the burden – this would be a very plausible excuse. Given that AIDS is the biggest possible victimhood and sympathy getter, this would make him further “beloved” and untouchable.

    But I wish you were right. So I would like to here a good defense of why you said what you said.

  58. JJ | January 14, 2011 at 8:45 pm |

    Bill G | January 14, 2011 at 6:58 pm |


    Carlyle, had you been meeting in 1776 with the Founders, they would have evicted you from the room and asked you go join your Tory friends.

    ~~~And whichever side of the room you retreat to—I’m behind you, as are most patriots. Thank you for so succinctly expressing my feelings.~~~
    —————————————————

    The Tory Party were American colonists who remained loyal to the Kingdom of Great Britain (and the British monarchy) during the American Revolutionary War. They were often referred to as Tories, Royalists, or King’s Men by the Patriots. When their cause was defeated, about 20% of the Loyalists fled or were driven out of the US to resettle in other parts of the British Empire…


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_(American_Revolution)

  59. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Thank you, CW!

  60. Carlyle – not biting. Do not ask me too b/c I refuse to. If you wish to discuss facts w/facts then I’ll engage, but I will not and will forever refuse to engage in a conversation that is prefaced with a who is “right” and who is “wrong”.

    The original 13th amd forbade w/penalty of expulsion from the country, any individual who held a Title of Nobility aka Esquire from ever serving this country in any governmental capacity. Period.

    I have found the evidence necessary to prove this Article was passed by our FFs in the original, not the second or third iteration, of the US Constitution. Others have said evidence. The betrayal to all of us citizens began long ago and her roots lie in the original Constitution which was passed w/no vote and little awareness by the people living at that time.

    Please, if we are going to rid this country, our America, from her demons and despots, then we must go back to her roots and deal with them in an honest and forthright manner.

    Half way isn’t good enough. We the People have a golden opportunity to not only win this fight but then to forge the perfect union. This opportunity should not be seen from a short sighted point of view IMHO. We need to grasp this once in a lifetime opportunity to be certain those generations who follow succeed and continue to serve as a beacon of freedom.

    Anything short of this is unacceptable.

    Why would you not agree, Carlyle?

  61. THE BALL IS IN HIS COURT

    It would be easy to sit here and say that the PTBs got us into this mess and now let them get us out of it. They assumed the Power of God to make the selection for us, and By God let them now get us out of it. However, the predicament is obvious enough to scare one to death. I see only one-way out with the least amount of harm or destruction. The USURPER, and he is by all Constitutional standards, must decide NOT to run in the next election. IF he loves this country as he emotes, then he will be looked on as a hero by his followers. On the other hand, if his narcissism has a hold on his soul, he will again seek reelection and the whole house of cards will come crashing down destroying our Nation. THE BALL IS IN HIS COURT.

    PS – UNITED WE STAND – DIVIDED WE FALL

    ~~~Whoever these words are from—may I comment please?
    No, no, and again no…this nation can not accept this usurpation as standard, operating procedure…the EOs must be repealed, all bills and legislation submitted during this illegal usurpation must be repealed…and this crime MUST be dealt with.
    Why?? Because in the short time I have left on this earth, I never want this to happen again; for the sake of your children and their children and their children……

  62. Carlyle and anyone else who is interested….please see yestedays comments….I responded to your 2pm post….I haven’t read THESE yet.

  63. ms.helga | January 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm | PS – It wont be long now until EVERYONE will know that there is an “Eligibility Issue”. Soon the Rush Limbaughs,Sean Hannitys, O’Reileys, Fox cable, all the Republican Congress and Senate will realize that THEIR REPUTATIONS will go down with the TITANTIC if they don’t act soon before is is too late. Only they can save the nation.
    —————————————————–

    Soon all the msm pundits will tread lightly on the issue of eligibility and the more courageous and intelligent ones like Rush, Savage and Levin will soon champion the Birther cause.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/01/definition-of-birther-and-definition-of.html

  64. JJ | January 14, 2011 at 9:06 pm | THE BALL IS IN HIS COURT

    It would be easy to sit here and say that the PTBs got us into this mess and now let them get us out of it. They assumed the Power of God to make the selection for us, and By God let them now get us out of it. However, the predicament is obvious enough to scare one to death. I see only one-way out with the least amount of harm or destruction. The USURPER, and he is by all Constitutional standards, must decide NOT to run in the next election. IF he loves this country as he emotes, then he will be looked on as a hero by his followers. On the other hand, if his narcissism has a hold on his soul, he will again seek reelection and the whole house of cards will come crashing down destroying our Nation. THE BALL IS IN HIS COURT.

    PS – UNITED WE STAND – DIVIDED WE FALL

    ~~~Whoever these words are from—may I comment please?
    No, no, and again no…this nation can not accept this usurpation as standard, operating procedure…the EOs must be repealed, all bills and legislation submitted during this illegal usurpation must be repealed…and this crime MUST be dealt with.
    Why?? Because in the short time I have left on this earth, I never want this to happen again; for the sake of your children and their children and their children……

    ———————————–
    I agree, btw, it was carlyle who wrote the NONSENSE that you referred to.

  65. Forgive me, I misstated this fact – I have found the records of the last state to ratify this amd…others have spent 20+ years digging, researching and attempting to learn more about this amd. I’ve only worked and found the info necessary to confirm this original 13th amd was ratified.

    It’s been a pleasure to learn from OUR FF’s first hand, through their letters, Journals and more to learn what they were dealing with and how they did their best to create a land free from the monarchy’s reach. They lost, sadly, but that doesn’t mean WE the People of the 21st Century lose. It just means we must reconcile ourselves to our “real” history, accept it and from there change it.

    We can do this. I believe this with every aspect of my entire being. Do you?

  66. To get an idea of what I’m talking about here, that is w/regards to TONA, The Original Thirteenth Amendment, read what Stan Evans posted at my blog back in April 2010 – http://www.t-room.us/2010/04/titles-of-nobility-and-honor-amendment-sabotaged/

    This is very real and evidence that the 13 colonies were never successful at breaking the ties to their motherland.

  67. Helen | January 14, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    I don’t know where you were schooled, Helen, but judging from your posts it appears that you were educated in Africa or the middle east.

    Here in America we studied American History so we Americans are well aware of the Truth History of the American Revolution and Civil War periods that you are interested in learning about.

  68. Helen | January 14, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    I don’t know where you were schooled, Helen, but judging from your posts it appears that you were educated in Africa or the middle east.

    Here in America we studied American History so we Americans are well aware of the True History of the American Revolution and Civil War periods that you are interested in learning about.

  69. Our we beginning to see the powerful influence of Bill Daly, from Chicago, his new chief of staff over Obama

    Teresa, to relate from a few posts the sentinents about these anomalies…
    Hell, no…he and his administration are simply trying to undo some of the negative reviews since they had their a**es handed to them on Nov. 5th!!

    Helen, are you stating lawyers can not be congress persons?? or any govt office, local, state, and federal??

  70. You see, FS, you approach my and a plethora of other’s research as being foreign. This is a non starter to an intelligent conversation with one who has spent the last year at the Library of Virginia, the Virginia Historical Society and reading anything and everything she can get her hands on to learn, from original/first sources, of our “true” history. That is a history that is NOT told by an educational system who glorifies our past.

    Have you not read the plethora of articles about the “history” books the Virginia Board of Education recently pulled from our systems b/c they were chock full of “rewriting” our true history? This story has been in national news as well as all of Virginia’s dailies.

  71. Helen | January 14, 2011 at 9:46 pm |

    Not at all Helen, it is simply that you have a predominate African or muslim middle eastern.

    There you go making assumptions again, Helen. My first year of College, I was selected for an intensive program of scholarship in Western Civilization which revealed a unbiased, comprehensive and accurate account of History, Helen.

    Regarding the infighting in Virginia School Districts, being that I do not live in Virginia, I have no interest in the subject, but I sympathize with you about the inadequate education in your school systems.

  72. Helen | January 14, 2011 at 9:46 pm |

    Not at all Helen, it is simply that you have a predominate African or muslim middle eastern influence in your writings.

    And there you go again making assumptions, Helen. My first year of College, I was selected for an intensive program of scholarship in Western Civilization which revealed a unbiased, comprehensive and accurate account of History, Helen.

    Regarding the infighting in Virginia School Districts, being that I do not live in Virginia, I have no interest in the subject, but I sympathize with you about the inadequate education in your school systems.

  73. And FS, be aware, I make it my business to study ALL points of view, more importantly our countries history by reading original writings, letters and journals. You will never again have the satisfaction of bullying me or chasing me off from CWs or any other site.

    Why? B/c I refuse to engage with anyone who chooses to condescend rather than argue or debate the facts. I only deal in facts, Sir, from first or close to first sources. Have you ever bothered yourself to read Jefferson’s letters? Madison? Washington? Henry? That’s what I thought. I have. Why? B/c I grew tired of folks using these men as cover, like zeolots use bible and verse to prove those of us who don’t agree about something or another, but wish to show us as heathens nonetheless. Like I said, not biting.

    So, I set out on my own personal journey to learn from “them” what “they” meant and it is in their own personal writings one truly learns their intent.

    And yes, Sir, I recv’d the first eight years of my education in Virginia – the strongest historical curriculum in the US.

    So, your rather small comment about my education, Sir, simply falls on deaf ears.

    Come back, anytime and challenge me, anytime to a conversation based on facts from sources all can respect and honor. Until such time, please be kind and show that big heart of yours for all to see. That’s the FS I have come to respect and admire…not the one I’m dressing down in this polite correspondence.

  74. Do you know Sorcha Faal, Helen?

  75. History of Socialism from Marx to Obama as told by a soviet defector
    A must read see what is really behind much of what is going on.

    http://www.commieblaster.com

  76. Helen, you protest too much. It is not necessary that you be so defensive. Frankly, although I disagree with you on some issues, I respect your obvious intelligence.

  77. Orly’s letter to Obama.Letter should be sent to all new Republican governors,all new elected Republicans in house and senate.
    Be great if USSA TODAY COULD PRINT IT !!,HOW ABOUT ENQUIRER
    MAGAZINE ????? http://WWW.ORLYTAITZESQ.COM MUST READ,PRINT OUT IF YOU CAN

  78. Truth Now | January 14, 2011 at 10:08 pm | History of Socialism from Marx to Obama as told by a soviet defector
    A must read see what is really behind much of what is going on.

    http://www.commieblaster.com

    ————————————————–

    Thanks Truth Now!

  79. Before I say goodnight, I want to say one more thing to you, FS.

    I personally admire that FS who was advocating for our brothers and sisters in the Gulf. These innocent souls to this day are struggling and fighting with everything they have, and it was you who made sure their plight stayed alive in our minds and hearts. This simple and unselfish act is the reason I knew that big bad a$$ self you like to portray was really a guy that cared, greatly, about your fellow man/woman.

    This is the FS I’ve grown to admire b/c I believe this is the real FS, not that guy who seems to want to fight for the sake of fighting. No. FS, you are an advocate who gives a rip about those who have no one else to fight for them.

    This is the FS I admire and greatly respect and always will.

  80. Okay, NOW I ‘ve read todays comments…EXCELLENT article CW.
    And I see that Carlyle and Hellen are somewhat debating this and giving it from their perspective, that is GOOD…..if we can all do this without the name calling and knee jerk reactions…I’d like to see this continue. Anyone else?

    I am like Carlyle, I am frightened of the implications of what happens, to out troops most of all, if this Usurpation is ever brought to the forefront and dealth with.

    I WANT to belive what Helen says, more than you know….I also would like to think amd believe that perhaps if we showed “the World” that we were not afraid to stand up for our Constitution, no matter WHO usurped it, and no matter the consequences….that the “Truth will set us free” and ultimately, we will be better for it…and that God will see us through.

    I’m somewhat torn between the two “opinions”….and I think this is good, because as I said above and in the earlier post regarding Carlyle’s statements..I think an open discussion on this would be good for us….with out the name calling etc.

  81. Our troops, even

  82. (I had posted this comment at the end of the previous thread.)

    jbjd | January 14, 2011 at 8:55 pm |

    Carlyle | January 14, 2011 at 2:00 pm |

    This was recently published in a comment over at Mario Apuzzo’s blog. This paragraph itself may have been quoted from the Wall Street Journal. It is hard to tell.

    Unfortunately, Mr. Obama will not be successfully challenged and removed from office on his citizenship status. Such an action would allow international questioning of all official acts by his administration, including acts of US combat troops fighting the ongoing wars under an illegal Commander-In-Chief. (This explains the snuff out reaction of the Pentagon to Lakin’s challenge.)

    This raises again (I for one have raised it before). Are there some crimes TOO BIG TO PROSECUTE? And is Obama’s Fraud one of them? Are the outcomes of exposing him worse than not exposing him?

    Assuming Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to be POTUS, he was nonetheless lawfully elected President. Because no provision of any state or federal law, including the Constitution, requires Electors to elect only a President who meets the Article II, section 1 eligibility requirements. No law requires Congress to only Certify the Electors’ vote when their choice for President meets Constitutional eligibility. Nor is the CJ of the SCOTUS similarly required to refrain from swearing in to office, a man who is Constitutionally ineligible for the job.

    Again, assuming Obama is not a NBC, I am certain had people generally known, he is not Constitutionally eligible for the job, the D’s would not have installed him as their nominee, for this simple reason: people would not vote for (Electors for) an ineligible candidate. And they knew this. That’s why they advertised the lie, the mock-up COLB they posted on the advertising platform, FTS, really means ‘something.’ Not because Electors could not elect him – remember, no law says they cannot – but because you would not stand for that.

    Want to increase the likelihood Electors chosen by whichever party, only elect eligible candidates? Enact a law telling them they have to.

    DE-CODER RINGS (1 of 2) and (2 of 2)

  83. Lately, I check in hereabout once a week, or so – just to see if FS is still lording over this once wonderful place. Unfortunately, it seems now to be much worse.

    Now FS has insulted oldsalt! FS has claimed familiar knowledge of CW’s moderation rules. FS repeats and repeats and repeats again everything he writes. Day after day, week after week. Scrolling by everything he writes must grow tiresome. My scrolling ball would be in rebellion!

    If I were stopping by for the first time, I would never return. Many, many good people are gone forever. I keep hoping to drop by and see the familiar posters.

    All this and CW remains silent, save for a curt comment that seems to admonish all. I do not buy for a moment that this is normal for a blog. Admittedly, I have never run one, but participate in several. It seems that I would want it to remain great, having achieved that status. At the very least, I would do what I could to rein in the obvious troublemaker – perhaps in this case, disallow multiple daily posts.

    It is so sad to see a shell of former success. I wish everyone well.

  84. Helen,

    You are very kind. Lawyers are trained to argue. It is a deeply ingrained trait in me.

    You are an interesting and intelligent person, Helen, I enjoy our debates. As I honestly said before, I am not a prejudiced person generally, but 911 and BO have made me distrustful of Muslims.

    I revere our Founding Fathers. My feelings about them are best written here.

    http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320

  85. “Want to increase the likelihood Electors chosen by whichever party, only elect eligible candidates? Enact a law telling them they have to.” Bingo!

    Unfortunately, jbjd, I do believe the leadership of the DNC absolutely knew they were putting forth a candidate they knew was ineligible to serve given his dual citizenship status. Otherwise, Obama would never have advertised his “dual citizenship” on his own Fight the Smears site, unless he knew the Party followers wouldn’t have a clue nor raise a question about it. And he was right, they didn’t and instead have defended it beyond reasonability or rationality.

    As for the Party loyalists, some may have known but I’d propose the idea that the majority hadn’t a clue. Sadly, to this day, I still don’t think they have a clue nor do I believe they care. They just don’t want to be proven wrong. This latter observation is the only thing I’ve witnessed as being important to them.

    Certainly not what is right for our country, but rather, how to save face.

  86. jbjd | January 14, 2011 at 10:39 pm |

    Thanks for your hard work, jbjd.

  87. Okay, question…..Can we ask the PTB to demand that he step down just because he is being “evasive” and refuses to answer the questions of the American People…..as in, we don’t KNOW if he is eligible, but the fact that he shows no interest in cooperating with the Citizens trying to determine the truth, to the grave detriment of SOME of them, like LtCol. Lakin……we demand that he be ousted”???

  88. Helen | January 14, 2011 at 10:59 pm | “Want to increase the likelihood Electors chosen by whichever party, only elect eligible candidates? Enact a law telling them they have to.” Bingo!

    Unfortunately, jbjd, I do believe the leadership of the DNC absolutely knew they were putting forth a candidate they knew was ineligible to serve given his dual citizenship status. Otherwise, Obama would never have advertised his “dual citizenship” on his own Fight the Smears site, unless he knew the Party followers wouldn’t have a clue nor raise a question about it. And he was right, they didn’t and instead have defended it beyond reasonability or rationality.

    As for the Party loyalists, some may have known but I’d propose the idea that the majority hadn’t a clue. Sadly, to this day, I still don’t think they have a clue nor do I believe they care. They just don’t want to be proven wrong. This latter observation is the only thing I’ve witnessed as being important to them.

    Certainly not what is right for our country, but rather, how to save face.

    ———————————————————-
    I agree.

  89. Ladyhawke…..10:53
    I agree

    For those who say, don’t know.

    For those who know, don’t say!

  90. FS – I’m just stating the obvious. I lurk much more than I post and I see you time and again advocating for the guy that can’t. This is why I can’t stay mad at you for very long. When I do, I always see where the roots of your passion begin. Always. But then, this “I’ll show you” person takes over and at first, I get confused, but then I see me, fighting with everything I have – winner take all – to prove my point.

    I’ve learned that it doesn’t matter whether I prove my point. What matter’s, at least for me, is being able to continue the dialogue for as long as I can to learn as much as my challenger is willing to divulge.

    Winning isn’t always “winning”. My opponent has much to teach and I want to learn. FS, there is much to learn.

    Goodnight and be good to you.

  91. Free Speech —

    What do you think of the comment below? The person who posted this claims to be anti- Obama.

    “Obama is Constitutionally, statutorily, and 100% eligible for the Presidency, he is for all intents and purposes, without a shadow of a doubt, a ‘natural born citizen’. He needs no birth certificate, he could have been born in Kenya, and his dad could have been ANYONE!”

  92. Interesting video released today. He sounds like an anti-war activist lamenting the illegal and “unconstitutional” wars…where have we heard that before?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-jared-loughner-video-20110115,0,7041106.story

    He sounds like Bill Ayers… He rambles on, but doesn’t sound crazy to me…

  93. This is pretty funny…urbandictionary.com has created a new word in honor of Sheriff Dupnik. I suppose that it isn’t “civil”, but it is humorous nonetheless.

    dupnik
    (v.) to attempt to cover up one’s own duplicity or guilt by publicly and loudly deflecting blame onto others that had no demonstrable involvement.
    When my boss questions my lack of task completion, I dupnik my co-workers in order to avoid a reprimand.

    and

    dupnik
    (n.) a buffoon, simpleton, uninformed individual that runs his/her mouth without rhyme or reason and has no idea of what they are talking about. Usually a self professed expert, short on knowledge, but is full of crap.
    dude A: That tech at the apple store had no idea of what she was talking about!

    dude B: Yeah, what a dupnik!
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dupnik

  94. Again..you could put him right in the middle of a San Francisco anti-war protest, with signs that call for the assassination of George Bush, and he would fit right in… I’ll post it again. This video is very enlightening.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-jared-loughner-video-20110115,0,7041106.story

  95. Paxson writes,

    Paxson | January 14, 2011 at 11:01 pm |

    jbjd | January 14, 2011 at 10:39 pm |

    Thanks for your hard work, jbjd.

    You are welcome.

  96. jbjd,

    I agree that Obama will not be removed due to Eligibility. I don’t believe that he will be removed at all. No matter what Congressman Issa finds out, he will get a pass. John Bohner is carrying Obama’s water for him stating that “I believe he was born in Hawaii because they said so, and this Congress will continue to ignore all the things that Obama does via Czars, and Executive Orders due to no congressional over-site. The Pigford II Scam Alone should get him impeached, but it won’t.

  97. GORDO | January 14, 2011 at 11:30 pm | Free Speech —

    What do you think of the comment below? The person who posted this claims to be anti- Obama.

    “Obama is Constitutionally, statutorily, and 100% eligible for the Presidency, he is for all intents and purposes, without a shadow of a doubt, a ‘natural born citizen’. He needs no birth certificate, he could have been born in Kenya, and his dad could have been ANYONE!”

    ——————–
    LOL!

    Sounds like a CRAZY carlyle quote to me. I guess if BO can allege that he is a Natural Born Christian Citizen, the that dimWit can claim he’s “anti-BO.”

  98. Emudude | January 14, 2011 at 11:38 pm |
    jbjd,

    I agree that Obama will not be removed due to Eligibility. I don’t believe that he will be removed at all. No matter what Congressman Issa finds out, he will get a pass. John Bohner is carrying Obama’s water for him stating that “I believe he was born in Hawaii because they said so, and this Congress will continue to ignore all the things that Obama does via Czars, and Executive Orders due to no congressional over-site. The Pigford II Scam Alone should get him impeached, but it won’t
    ___________________________________________________

    I’m not sure that John Boehner is carrying water for him. He declined the flight on AirForce One to Tucson and then declined an invite to the State Dinner with the Chinese. Sounds like somebody who doesn’t plan on being mesmerized..

  99. The Pigford Scandals begin. This is heartbreaking for the honest people who did farm.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/the-congressional-black-caucus-vs-black-farmers/
    Lee Stranahan, BigGovernment.com : Pigford v. Glickman was supposed to help black farmers discriminated against by the USDA. Instead, it’s diverted hundreds of millions of dollars to people who never farmed and diverted attention away from the plight of real farmers.

  100. Paxson | January 14, 2011 at 11:33 pm |

    dupnik
    (n.) a buffoon, simpleton, uninformed individual that runs his/her mouth without rhyme or reason and has no idea of what they are talking about. Usually a self professed expert, short on knowledge, but is full of crap.
    dude A: That tech at the apple store had no idea of what she was talking about!

    dude B: Yeah, what a dupnik!
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dupnik

    —————————-
    WOW! That dupnik definition will really cut down on my typing. Instead of typing, “calyle is a a buffoon, simpleton, uninformed individual that runs his mouth without rhyme or reason and has no idea of what he is talking about. Usually a self professed expert, short on knowledge, but is full of crap,” I can simply say carlyle is a dupnik. Thanks, Paxon!

  101. Michelle | January 14, 2011 at 11:52 pm | The Pigford Scandals begin. This is heartbreaking for the honest people who did farm.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/the-congressional-black-caucus-vs-black-farmers/
    Lee Stranahan, BigGovernment.com : Pigford v. Glickman was supposed to help black farmers discriminated against by the USDA. Instead, it’s diverted hundreds of millions of dollars to people who never farmed and diverted attention away from the plight of real farmers.

    —————————————-
    The Blacks are going to go ballistic when they finally realize how BO has shafted them? The poor will be the first to feel the pain of BO’s thievery.

  102. Quid quo pro, the people in Illinois are so sick of this garbage as expressed in the interview. “This is just the way it’s done down there.” that old excuse again and again. Another problem so many former Illinois Governors residing in jail for their criminal activities.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/report-ill-gov-traded-vote-for-death-penalty-to-get-66-tax-increase/
    “This is just the way it’s done down there.”

  103. Paxson | January 14, 2011 at 11:47 pm ___________________________________________________

    I’m not sure that John Boehner is carrying water for him. He declined the flight on AirForce One to Tucson and then declined an invite to the State Dinner with the Chinese. Sounds like somebody who doesn’t plan on being mesmerized..

    —————————–

    Boehner may have been concerned that BO might have one of his Thugs knock him off after the Arizona murders.

  104. Free Speech | January 15, 2011 at 12:08 am |
    I thought about that…but they would have to be pretty crafty in their methods, so I discarded the idea. Not that it isn’t in the realm of possibilities.

  105. JJ | January 14, 2011 at 9:06 pm |

    …this nation can not accept this usurpation as standard, operating procedure…the EOs must be repealed, all bills and legislation submitted during this illegal usurpation must be repealed…and this crime MUST be dealt with.

    Why?? Because in the short time I have left on this earth, I never want this to happen again; for the sake of your children and their children and their children……

    =======================

    The improved eligibility vetting of the several states pursuing new legislation should take care of the problem you reference – and is the best way to take care of it. It will guarantee it will not happen again.

    So, you miss the thrust of at least my concerns and my questions. Trying again the the context of your excellent remark: Is this enough. Or do we also need to oust Obama? And/or is the price of ousting him too high?

  106. JJ | January 14, 2011 at 9:40 pm |

    ==========================

    Want the facts and the truth? I too have studied this thoroughly. Here is a brief synopsis:

    1. There is/was indeed a original 13th amendment that got lost in the shuffle.

    2. Recent scholarship has shown (reverified?) that it is almost certainly true and correct and properly ratified by the requisite states.

    3. Interesting enough, as an aside, there are other critical amendments – one of which is the 14th – which were never ratified properly and yet are traditionally part of the constitution. In fact, based on USSC rulings and fascination over the last 50+ years, the 14th has become by far the most important element of the constitution.

    4. OK, so far so good. But the catch is – and where Helen and others get lost is – the original 13th had nothing to do with Lawyers. It is about titles of nobility like Duke and Earl, and maybe even bestowed titles like Knights.

    5. Since no one in recent memory, having a foreign title of nobility, has tried to force themselves into American politics, the whole thing is a mute issue. Should we acknowledge it just to make sure? You betcha. But given everything else to worry about, it is just not high on anybody’s list.

    Hope this helps.

  107. Paxson | January 15, 2011 at 12:10 am | Free Speech | January 15, 2011 at 12:08 am |
    I thought about that…but they would have to be pretty crafty in their methods, so I discarded the idea. Not that it isn’t in the realm of possibilities.

    ———————

    Whatever, it is wise for Boehner not to trust BO.

  108. Free Speech | January 15, 2011 at 12:23 am |
    Paxson | January 15, 2011 at 12:10 am | Free Speech | January 15, 2011 at 12:08 am |
    I thought about that…but they would have to be pretty crafty in their methods, so I discarded the idea. Not that it isn’t in the realm of possibilities.

    ———————

    Whatever, it is wise for Boehner not to trust BO.
    ——————————————————————————————
    I agree and it doesn’t look like he does. I like Boehner. I hope that he steps up to the plate.

  109. Ladyhawke | January 14, 2011 at 10:53 pm |

    ==================================

    No, this is not at all normal for a blog. That is why I said earlier that it is fairly near proof positive that this blog has been penetrated. Mixing information and disinformation so that the truth is obscured, and wasting “ink” or “paper” – i.e. overwhelming the system – the discouraging of honest seekers – demonizing people who don’t agree with you – these are all straight out of the Alinsky workbook for crushing your enemy.

    We need to be focusing on core issues – not wondering all over the back forty like lost sheep.

  110. Sharon in VA | January 14, 2011 at 10:37 pm |

    =============================

    I caught your similar post below and responded there. Thank you.

  111. Emudude | January 14, 2011 at 11:38 pm |

    jbjd,

    I agree that Obama will not be removed due to Eligibility. I don’t believe that he will be removed at all.

    Please be careful not to misrepresent my statements. Again, assuming Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to be President, I do believe he will be Impeached for committing the criminal act of swearing he is eligible in those states with ballot eligibility laws. Of course, I have consistently recommended not ‘going after’ him for breaking the law – he knows whether he is eligible – but instead, going after those other people who swore he was eligible. Because how on earth did they know? So, the chain of prosecution would be, state AG in ballot eligibility state goes after person who swore to state election officials Obama was eligible; and then, based on this prosecution for criminal election fraud (false swearing to get the state to print the candidate’s name on the ballot), U.S. Congress (House) introduces Articles of Impeachment and (Senate) commences trial.

    This would have already happened, if only people had stopped concentrating on ‘outing’ Obama’s ineligibility via such useless mechanisms as conspiratorial theories about HI Certifications of Nomination; filing lawsuits based on convoluted legal theories with no cognizable cause of action; or calls to organize citizen grand juries or the like, and focused, instead, on just enforcing existing ballot eligibility laws.

  112. Free Speech | January 14, 2011 at 10:56 pm |

    Helen,

    You are very kind. Lawyers are trained to argue. It is a deeply ingrained trait in me.

    =================================

    Nobody complains about arguing or debating opinions. But I don’t think any judge in America would put up with your playground bullying and name calling for one second.

    It is not professional and not adult and not part of any debate or advocacy discipline that is taught or practiced anywhere.

    In fact, I now know of at least three people who are now collecting your “witicisms” along with your frequent self-agrandizement as an upstanding member of the legal profession – to get you disbarred for misrepresenting your profession and for professional misconduct.

  113. Carlyle and FS, maybe you guys can swap email addresses and then come back when you have hashed it out… it’s really starting to “harsh my mellow”….

  114. Paxson | January 15, 2011 at 12:49 am |

    ===============================

    There is nothing to hash out. I have no problem with FS or anybody having opinions or debates – or agreeing or disagreeing.

    But I will not let up until the playground bullying and name calling stops. I swear to that. FS is entitled to any opinion he chooses and to express his opinions and to defend his opinions. As am I and you and anyone else. But no one gets to openly pizz on true and honest people.

    It is just like “the enemy” terrorizing Sarah Palin. It has got to stop.

    You cannot fault my position. My cause is just and honorable.

  115. Paxson | January 15, 2011 at 12:49 am |
    Carlyle and FS, maybe you guys can swap email addresses and then come back when you have hashed it out… it’s really starting to “harsh my mellow”…
    ****************************
    Say, Paxson, this is far more than between two guys….. I don’t know how much you go back and read the comments, but anybody that says to me, “Get the hell out of CW” needs some sort of disciplinary action, methinks. You don’t go along with that type of talk to another poster when it is entirely unprovoked, do you? And when Old Salt and Sir William have been riled up the way they have, this entire matter has reached epidemic proportions.

  116. Cabby – AZ | January 15, 2011 at 1:02 am |

    I shouldn’t have said anything, I don’t want any piece of this action. I’m just in a good mood tonight, for some reason, and trying to throw my two cents in by saying that the bickering isn’t productive. I think that we are all adults here. I will add that I personally don’t think that you guys are “Obots”.

    I’ll go back to being an observer again. I’ve been in avoidance mode on this site for a few days.

  117. Paxson – 1:02 AM
    I shouldn’t have said anything, I don’t want any piece of this action. I’m just in a good mood tonight….
    ***************************
    Of course you should say anything you want, Paxson. I wasn’t faulting you for that or anything else and don’t blame you for staying out of the fray. In fact, I stayed away for awhile but decided that bullying is not going to run me off. Glad that you are feeling in a good mood. Hope your day goes well tomorrow, also.

  118. Good moods are few and far between these days. They need to be savored.

  119. Chuck Baldwin/Constitution Party

  120. http://www.prisonplanet.com/rachel-maddow-enemy-of-liberty-and-the-bill-of-rights.html

    The limousine liberal Rachel Maddow used her MSNBC show Thursday to call for a renewed gun-grabbing effort by the government. After running an emotionally charged video segment of Barry Obama paying tribute to nine-year-old mass shooting victim Christina Taylor Green, Maddow read an anti-Second Amendment screed from her teleprompter.

  121. MSNBC – Mysterious Subversion of Natural Born Citizen

  122. RE: My “out on a limb” prediction from Friday, January 22, 2010:

    RE: My “out on a limb” prediction from Friday, January 22, 2010:

    “IF this trend of AKA Obama’s approval numbers falling continues, a prominent person (media or political) will endorse the investigation of AKA Obama’s hidden personal history.”
    * * * * * * * * * * * *
    To see the full text of my research on the birther issue that has been published on many blogs, Intellectual Conservative, and Pravda go to this link:
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

  123. Zach, thanks for sharing Larry’s link. It is really nice to see him back and he appears to be holding his own. Go get em, Larry!!!

    Carlyle – where the original 13th amd matters in our current discourse is the fact that this amd, which indeed was ratified, simply vanished from our Constitution following the Civil War. Remember too, our nation was illiterate for the most part, so only the literate class bothered themselves to read, learn and discuss the Constitution. Understand as well, most of the literate class in the South were wiped out after the War.

    This Original 13th amd was not forgotten about; someone in power removed it from our Constitution and our history and they replaced it with the current 13th amd. outlawing slavery.

    By its disappearance coupled with the timing one clearly see’s the hand of infiltration at work. The trail then leads one to the Act of 1871, the Act of 1873, the Federal Reserve Act, the 16th amd and you know the rest.

    Any Commander will tell his troops that they need to know the forces they are fighting against in such a battle. Our enemy has remained elusive for the most part b/c we continue to let “others” define who it is then we as a people will continue to be played and worse laughed at.

    What if our enemy isn’t the DNC leadership? What if it was the RNC leadership? What if it was both? You see, we really don’t know who we are fighting against. Anyone who dares to raise the idea the R Party has something to do with this mess are thrashed about and kicked to the curb.

    If we are the patriots of the 21st Century, don’t you think it would critical to welcome a conversation that includes both sides of the aisle? Remember, Republican Governor’s whose states have “verification of eligibility” laws on their books didn’t fulfill their lawful roles. And not a single Republican AG has held a Grand Jury to address this matter. Why is that? Yet complaints have been appropriately filed with said offices.

    The fire is always targeted to the left by those who have come right out and admitted they were R’s. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, but ones Party loyalty should not blind another from asking serious questions or making provocative commentary as it relates to this entire “ineligibility” mess.

    Evidence of this obstruction clearly points to both sides of the aisle. To believe otherwise is one thing, but to put up defenses and use ridicule to push back simply shows one’s mastery at creating “smoke and mirrors”.

    The only issue that has ever mattered was his admitted “dual” and likely “tri” citizenship. Take a look at Devvy Kidd’s pdf on Stanley Ann Dunham’s Passport record posted downstairs when the entire broohaha started here yesterday afternoon. Look at her application in 1965. In the slot where children are to be listed, amazingly, and for whatever reason, she does not list her son.

    Hhhhhhhmmmmmm. And more is coming by the bucket loads.

    Understand the same forces who removed the Original 13th Amendment are at play today. It’s just their ancestors carrying out the families work.

    So, yes, Carlyle. The Original 13th Amendment is extremely important to this ongoing conversation. We 21st Century American Patriots MUST know who our enemies are and it is the past that provides all of us with the greatest of clues.

  124. Helen | January 15, 2011 at 10:32 am |

    =================================

    Thank you for your well-reasoned additional comment. In broad, there is almost nothing in here I disagree with. I even agree that Rs and Ds are both in this up to their elbows. I almost never refer to them separately but lump them and the media and other elites into a general category of PTB.

    About the only time I dramatically take sides of Rs against Ds is on the issues of Socialism and Communism. The Ds have been thoroughly infiltrated.

    I am not as sure as you are however that all this back for hundreds of years is some grand plan. It seems more like idiocy and fumbling around to me. And then there is the ever popular “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”. Our politicians are JUST FULL OF “good intentions”. And being steeped in Socialism, alas the Ds are even fuller of said “good intentions”.

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