Glenn Beck motives, TheBlaze.com, Using truth to deceive?, Citizen Wells open thread, September 12, 2010

Glenn Beck motives, TheBlaze.com, Using truth to deceive?

“Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans

The following article was sent to me in an email this morning by a long time commenter and patriot. I am not certain if I totally agree with it. There is much food for thought. I can forgive Glenn Beck for not covering Obama’s eligibility in order to stay on the air to cover other crucial concerns (if that was his motive). However, when he insulted millions of concerned Americans who question Obama’s eligibility, including many in the military, including numerous high ranking officers and then finally LTC Terry Lakin, he went way over the line.

From Grand Delusion February 1, 2010.

“The Beck Deception

Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier. – Charles F. Kettering

If you are a die-hard Glenn Beck fan (like I was), please keep a very open mind as you read this.  Our freedom depends on it.

I know too many “ex-Glenn Beck fans” who are using the wrong approach in attempting to show you why Glenn is more of a threat to the American people than he is a truth-teller or savior.  I don’t entirely fault them because I understand their frustration as well as their “sense of urgency”.  The simple fact of the matter is that if  “We The People” do not begin to think for ourselves, and stop the conformity, we will continue to be misled, and we will get nowhere in our fight to regain our freedom and liberties.

In my quest to understand how our country has gotten to where it is, I found Glenn Beck.  Not only did he seem to have the answers, he was also providing me with excellent information about people and groups (the czars, ACORN, SEIU, Andy Stern, Anita Dunn, etc.) who surround and influence our president and our policies.  I was sure Glenn had stumbled on some pretty beefy information which offered a great explanation as to why our country was going to hell in a hand basket.

For months, I never missed a Glenn Beck show. At the same time, I continued my relentless research on the internet for as much “truth” as I could get my hands on and I’m convinced this allowed me to keep a healthy perspective on “truth”.  One day while watching Glenn – a warning signal sounded in my head.   In realizing just how massive of a following that Glenn was gaining, I cautioned myself to be careful and to keep an open mind.  As indicated by history as well as the bible, I understood that anyone who has the ability to gain such a mass following of people also has the ability to lead that mass astray.

IN ORDER TO SUCCESSFULLY DECEIVE – YOU MUST USE TRUTH

You cannot gain a mass following by telling lies.  In order to deceive, You MUST use the truth…  or at the very least, what might be acknowledged as truth by the masses (more on this later).

The majority who align themselves with Glenn Beck consider themselves to be “conservatives.”  If you fall into this category, you do not follow CNN or MSNBC because “you are able to see the lies.”  You can’t conform to their viewpoint because there isn’t enough truth in their message to keep your attention.  CNN or MSNBC cannot deceive you because you see no truth in their message.  Deception can only deceive if it looks somewhat like the real thing.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive
BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND “HOW” – YOU MUST UNDERSTAND “WHY”

Many of you will refuse to believe that you are being deceived by Glenn Beck because you cannot fathom any reason why he would do this. Without considering the big picture, this is understandable.  Because of this, you have rationalized that the “Beck Bashers” must either be jealous of his fame and fortune or they are just “idiot liberals.” Before we can begin to explore “how we are being deceived”, we must first ask the question, “Why?” The short answer is controlled opposition, and this is where it is crucial for many of you to gain and keep an open mind!

Some of you reading this already know that the truth (whole, entire truth) will never be televised. But, as I temporarily did, you are holding on to the hope that somehow, Beck/FOX managed to break free of this rule.  You may even think that FOX has discovered that there is more money in telling the truth – so they are going to continue to do it – until the Obama Administration decides to silence them.  If you believe there is any threat of FOX being shut down or of Beck being taken off the air – let me guarantee – this will never happen. Why?  Because Glenn Beck is the most valuable player on Team Obama than anyone else.  Why?  Because the elites behind the New World Order who own “Team Obama” also own all of mainstream media.”

“As I continued to watch Glenn Beck with an open mind, I began to see signs of deception.  I began to see signs of neo-conservatism.  I hadn’t even finished my “Arguing with Idiots” book.  Issues and actions that were extreme violations of the Constitution and our freedoms and liberties that were discussed all over the internet went for days unmentioned on his program. If and when they were mentioned, they were not given the attention they deserve.  Some were blown off entirely.

As I dug more and more into the 9/11 Truth Movement and I saw the legitimate questions coming from patriots, our war veterans, our military leaders, 9/11 commission members, aerospace engineers, experts, historians, pilots, architects and engineers, families of those killed, economists, I realized these people were not the “kooks” that Beck described. They were also not “dangerous” as Beck described.   I had to ask myself why he would mislead his followers.  Beck even went so far as to say that he “began hating the families of those who died on 9/11.” Someone who told us to “Question Boldly” suddenly had a zero tolerance level for questioning even from families who had more reason than anyone else to question.

I had no choice, in the face of all the evidence, to conclude that Beck is the ultimate deception because he makes the choice to deceive – as opposed to deceiving out of plain old ignorance.

I attribute much of my initial awakening to Glenn Beck –  but because I knew better than to give him my complete trust (I reserve that for God) – and I knew the importance of continuing to find truth on my own (as everyone needs to do, especially now), I knew when to part ways with him.  That ultimately led to me turning off the TV.  I do not get my news from the TV – because the truth isn’t televised and because you should never be bullied into asking or NOT asking any question.

If Beck were truly “bucking the system” – he would have gone the way of Lou Dobbs.

If you want to control the dissent, lead the dissent.”

Read more:

http://www.granddelusion.com/glenn-beck/

178 responses to “Glenn Beck motives, TheBlaze.com, Using truth to deceive?, Citizen Wells open thread, September 12, 2010

  1. For years I have learned to hear clearly what people do NOT SAY as well as what they do say. Fox news like lame stream news silence regarding the imposter’s eligibility issue has been loud. The occasional moments the issue did come forward always turned out to be a denigration of the “birthers” and a support that Sotoero is legitimate. At one point I became so frustrated with their denials I wrote and posted in February 2010 the following:

    Glen Beck Has Lost His Credibility With Me.

    Glen Beck has lost his credibility by denigrating those who challenge Hussein’s eligibility. How can any one believe his passion over his complaints of Constitutional violations by the government if he diminishes those who are challenging the first and most vital issues of a Constitutional violation?

    A is still A. The legitimacy of the president is the first and most vital keystone to America’s national security, sanctity of American law, and the guarantee of the protection of American rights provided by the Constitution. Any and all government acts spring from that simple fact.

    If America—for whatever the reason/s–has failed to establish this fact, then the president becomes a suspicious poison tree. Whatever fruits come forward from the poison tree are toxic: porkulus bill, health care plan, all the nefarious czars with unlimited power, his choice to bring KSM and his 4 cohorts to trial in New York and all the rest Glen Beck rants and raves about.

    Glen Beck made a great big issue about all the research his staff does to make certain he get the facts right and tells the truth on his program yesterday. In the spirit of giving the benefit of the doubt—let us say Beck truly believes Obama is legitimate. What harm to his belief or that of Fox news if Beck used his large staff of researchers to report the following facts which also lead to truth:

    1. Obama has sealed all his records from the birth certificate to school records to his pass post. Why?
    2. Except for his word—what proof does America have that Obama is who he says he is?
    3. Our constitution demands three items to be qualified for the American presidency. Has Obama met them and proven so?
    4. By Obama’s own admission, his father was born in Kenya and therefore a British citizen? Would this not be a fact to justify the challenge of Obama’s qualifications?
    5. What do the public law suits by Leo Donofrio, Mario Arpuzzo, Philip Berg, Dr. Taitz, and others say?
    6. What about all the money Obama spent in defense of these suits and where does the money come from?
    7. What about all those judges who dismissed the cases on “standing” and not merit?
    8. Why does Obama refuse to release his documents and settle the argument once and for all?

    Any or all of the above points would make an hour long program. He wouldn’t have to agree with them, but he could objectively present the reasons and facts why they have filed these suits. He could also take the time to acknowledge and commend those precious American patriots who love America enough to challenge this.

    If –after all is said and done—if proves Obama is legitimate—the problem will be resolved and America can go forward to challenge other issues.

    Glen and Fox News persistent refusal to even discuss the subject make me very suspicious they are complicit in the cover up. They are enablers, aiders and abettors. Therefore, they have betrayed America as flagrantly as Obama and goons.

    Remove Barack Hussein Obama, II from office in 2010. Failure is not an option.

    YES WE CAN!

    Congressman Deal Challenges Obama’s Eligibility

    FIRST TIME IN U.S. HISTORY THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT’S ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
    by P. Patriot – http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/05/deal-challenges-obamas-eligibility/

    Even if the putative president ignores the challenge, he cannot hide from it, because by doing so he admits his guilt through silence.

  2. Free Speech @ 11:25 am |
    Free Speech-I have a question re: this who got Obama cleaned-up to be somewhat presentable to a world at large? I don’t mean laundering records, I’m to look like something that does not resemble to South Side slum landlord that he really is, also what’s up with the CIA are they not loyal Americans? or I can’t imagine what they are up to.
    “It is well documented that bo in the 80s was a homosexual, marxist, drug addict student. So what would the Conservatives at the CIA during President Reagan adminstration need or want from a reprobate like bo?”

  3. I personally am not yet convinced that FOX NEWS is in bed with the Liberals,or Soetoro. I still tend to think that FOXNEWS has been told by Soetoro,or a few of his GOON squad that if they start poking into Soetoro’s past all of the FOX liscensures will be cancelled forthwith. Unfortunately Soetoro IS in a position that will allow him to do it. I am also reasonably sure that it has all been made clear to BECK, HANNITY,Oreilly Bair,and all the others that they WILL NOT explore that territority, ever. If they do they will be history as it applies to FOX. Any other aspect of Soetoro is FAIR GAME. Of course where CNN, and the others are concerned they actively support Soetoro so we know why they never bad mouth him. I hope in earnest that I live to see them all EATING CROW. It has already been plucked, and is waiting. I will watch in relish and laugh in glee at the stupid look on their faces with there every bite of their own sort of manure. Eat up MSM, there is a lot more where that came from, and I will happily supply it for you.

  4. CW- I agree Obama is the “poison tree” what we need to figure out where are all the roots/branches (tentacles). I think most loyal Americans are up to the challenge and the mystery.

  5. Well,folks only one Congressman,or one Senator is required to submit a formal request for a full investigation, out of which they can also convene a FEDERAL GRAND JURY. But I keep thinking HELL will freeze over before that will ever happen. The DOJ could still refuse to pick up any inditements,and that would be the end of it. We need to somehow CLEAN OUT the DOJ including (HOLDER) first. He is as slimey as his boss.

  6. If Beck were truly “bucking the system” – he would have gone the way of Lou Dobbs.
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    That pretty much sums it up. The one sure way to legally remove bo is to INDICT and CONVICT bo.

    My criticism of Beck is the same as my criticism of the posters who continually harp on conspiracy theories about ptbs; They fail to focus on the clear evidence of crimes by bo and his co-conspirators.

    Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”

    Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  7. There is nothing better than watching the pointy headed liberals on the Sunday morning talk shows talking down to the American people. Thinking that they know what is going on with the thought process of the country. Making excuses for Obama, knowing that he is listening to them for advice, because he hasn’t a clue. Trying to convince each other that the fact that they pushed Obama so hard on everybody else was a good choice. Losers.

  8. Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:25 am |
    Free Speech-I have a question re: this who got Obama cleaned-up to be somewhat presentable to a world at large?

    BILL AYERS &

    I don’t mean laundering records, I’m to look like something that does not resemble to South Side slum landlord that he really is, also what’s up with the CIA are they not loyal Americans? or I can’t imagine what they are up to.

  9. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    When are we going to see positive results from the CGJ? To date all we hear is they are the way to go. Yet I haven’t seen one iota of any action against the master criminal in the WH.

    Michele,
    Forgive me for being a knit picker this morning. It is usapatriots-shout who called the usurper the “poison tree” and not CW.

  10. Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:25 am |
    Free Speech-I have a question re: this who got Obama cleaned-up to be somewhat presentable to a world at large?

    BILL AYERS, Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am |
    Free Speech @ 11:25 am |
    Free Speech-I have a question re: this who got Obama cleaned-up to be somewhat presentable to a world at large?

    BILL AYERS & Khalid al-Mansour & THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY
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    I don’t mean laundering records, I’m to look like something that does not resemble to South Side slum landlord that he really is, also what’s up with the CIA are they not loyal Americans? or I can’t imagine what they are up to.

    CIA IS A VERY COMPLEX ORGANIZATION WITH AGENTS, COUNTER-AGENTS, DOUBLE AGENTS, BUT AGAIN, bo WAS NOT A CIA AGENT IN THE 80s.

    WATCH THE MOVIE “THE GOOD SHEPARD.” ALSO, DID YOU SEE THE FILM “NIXON?” THERE IS GOOD INFO THERE ABOUT HOW THE CIA OPERATIVES, PARTICULARLY IN A ROUGE ADMINISTRATION.

  11. Free Speech @ 12:15 pm
    “Michele,
    Forgive me for being a knit picker this morning. It is usapatriots-shout who called the usurper the “poison tree” and not CW.” Very sorry my error, it is a good analogy not nit-picky-we all try to be accurate-thank you for identifying my error. What is odd is I kept thinking of that phrase yesterday, which you hear all the time on TV re: not introducing evidence because it is the fruit of the poisonous tree.
    and duh on my part re: Bill Ayres-I remember his mug shots from Chicago when he was part of the terrorist Weathermen murderous group. He cleaned up his look too-he looks like a straight “suit”, but he is still a murderer-Mr. Guilty as hell, free as a bird. Someday I hope his words come back to haunt him.

  12. USA Patriot, Nice post.
    The usurpers tentacles reach deep into our government, and have hijacked our government from the peoples control. The media, and the courts, are obviously in the “tank” for the usurper, and are withholding the truth from people. The media and the courts backing this illegal regime are just as guilty as Obama.

    What would be their defense? “We didn’t have any idea Obama was not qualified to be president”. “We thought he was born in Hawaii”. “We were fooled”. Give me a break! They are guilty via collusion, but they will probably never be charged with any crime.

    The American people need to note where the media stands on the eligibility issue because they are not on the side of the Constitution, and the people. They are actually our enemy, and an enemy to the Constitution, otherwise they would be doing some serious research into the eligibility issue instead of covering for the illegal government and the usurper.

  13. usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com | September 12, 2010 at 12:28 pm |

    When are we going to see positive results from the CGJ?
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    That is a question that you should ask your local county Grand Jury Foreman.

  14. Good afternoon all.

    OlsSalt,

    Great comments on the Congress/Senators ability to open a full investigation. I have a question. Doesn’t a congressional or Senatorial investigation require the approval of the majority contolling the house or senate, whom happen sit at the head of the investigative commitee?

    I may be highly incorrect and certainly in doubt, reason I asked. I have forgotten the rules and procedures on this.

    Thanks,

  15. Dean M. | September 12, 2010 at 10:35 am |

    There is no credible evidence that bo was ever a CIA agent.

    However, I do agree “The Jihadists are using the emblems and institutions of our own civilization against us. It is a most sinister kind of psychologoical warfare.”

    “A mosque at ground zero is part of the sinister psychological warfare of the Islamists. If America would allow for such a thing after 911, that would be a paramount proof that we are a “shallow” country in the grip of the “trickster” or Devil.”

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    Dean M. | September 12, 2010 at 9:57 am |

    “I beg to differ with you on Obama not passing the security clearance requirements. I believe he worked for the CIA in the 1980s.”

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    It is well documented that bo in the 80s was a homosexual, marxist, drug addict student. So what would the Conservatives at the CIA during President Reagan’s adminstration need or want from a reprobate like bo?

  16. Controlled opposition ?, I thought we came to that conclusion months ago , that’s one of the main reasons I stopped watching FOX.

  17. “This is a rebellion like I’ve never seen.” Thank you John Boehner-I’m so glad he is a cool head (not like me)-he is not arrogant like Pelosi and leaving nothing to chance “uphill fight”. I wonder how many former Dems like me will be voting Republican because we are loyal Americans first and the country must restore fiscal responsibility-I saw an economist speaking regarding why hasn’t the recovery started-she said due to all the uncertainty. I agree-most investors will not invest, nor hire until they see something, anything sensible coming out of DC.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2587759/posts
    Republicans ‘set for big gains’ in November vote
    AFP on Yahoo ^ | 9/12/10 | AFP
    Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2010 12:25:56 PM by NormsRevenge
    WASHINGTON (AFP) – House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner said Sunday that his party is set to make significant gains in November legislative elections, but called regaining control “an uphill fight.”
    “I think winning the House (of Representatives) is still an uphill fight, but I can tell you that we have great candidates across the country and we have a great opportunity,” Boehner told CBS television’s “Face The Nation.”
    Boehner declined, however, to give much credit to insurgent “Tea Party” Republicans — who have ousted several established party candidates with anti-incumbent fervor — for his party’s renewed vigor.
    “The Tea Party folks, Republicans, Independents and for that matter, there are a lot of Democrats that I’ve talked to over the last several months who are going to show up and vote for Republicans this time,” he said.
    “This is a rebellion like I’ve never seen. I’ve never seen the American people more engaged in their government than what we see right now and I believe that we’re going to have a big chance in November and I’m looking forward to it.”
    Polls released earlier this week cemented the conventional wisdom that President Barack Obama’s fellow Democrats face a pounding by Republicans in November.
    The surveys, published after the traditional campaign kick-off date of the Labor Day weekend, suggest voters have soured on Obama, see him as too liberal and are increasingly pessimistic about the sluggish economic recovery.

  18. Citizen grand juries will only work if our courts are working for truth, justice,and the American people. Right now it appears the courts are working for the usurper, and the illegal Attorney General, appointed by the usurper.

    We cannot allow the usurper, Obama, to set a precedent, as to the eligibility of future presidents of our country.

    We must be careful about opening the door on presidential eligibility, or any person on Earth over 35, who lived in America for 14 years, will be eligible to be president. Citizenship doesn’t matter any more, and asking for proof of citizenship will be off limits, because Obama didn’t have to do it and he was president and these things didn’t matter then.

    Obama’s, eligibility issue, and Obama’s British/Indonesian/Kenyan/American, citizenship, needs to be reviewed by SCOTUS, before a new precedent is set, for eligibility to be president of the USA. If SCOTUS fails to act,the natural born citizen clause, in the Constitution, will be made moot, via deception.

  19. Mexican Gunmen Fire at Border Patrol Agents
    http://tinyurl.com/2d2m9q4

  20. US poverty on track to post record gain in 2009

    The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Barack Obama’s watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty.
    http://tinyurl.com/279eho5

  21. Michael Moore is weighing in on the proposed Islamic Community Center in New York City, stirring the the pot by saying he doesn’t want it to be built near Ground Zero but rather on Ground Zero.
    http://tinyurl.com/2u3bbto

  22. Sir William…………………………………..
    I don’t remember either,but not long ago I read an article that implied that only one formal complaint forwarded through the proper channels is enough to FORCE a full investigation. Notice I said investigation. However given the now RENEGADE NATURE of our (alleged) Congress it is possible and/or even PROBABLE that it would go NOWHERE.

  23. bob strauss | September 12, 2010 at 1:29 pm |
    Citizen grand juries will only work if our courts are working for truth, justice,and the American people. Right now it appears the courts are working for the usurper, and the illegal Attorney General, appointed by the usurper.
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    Do not confuse the fed court system controlled by holder and judges appointed by the president with the State Court System which is controlled voters who elect the judges and district attorneys. It is in State Courts that Patriots will prevail against the criminals bo and his local co-conspirators.

  24. I think most posters here understand Glen Beck is a highly paid court jester that is not on the right side of the critical issues. He just about single-handedly took down Debra Medina in the Texas governor primaries. Medina had a chance at getting a run off election against Rick Perry until she went on a radio interview with Beck. He asked her about her 9/11 beliefs and she answered truthfully, and he then proceeded to smear her and then suck up to Rick Perry, suggesting that he would suck face with Rick Perry before voting for Medina. It was blatant to most of us non-gullible Texans that Medina had been taken out of the race, by Glen Beck. Shame, because she was an excellent candidate, just a little green in a political sense. She would make an excellent presidential candidate if that could ever happen, but unlikely. Having said that, I think that as people who read blogs and comments we need to immediately respond to anyone posting that Beck or Palin should on the presidential ticket for 2012. These people are both red herrings. I actually like Palin, but I think she conforms and I think she can be influenced. She was certainly influenced by the $$$$$$ Fox news offered her. She associates with Beck, who I believe is politically TOXIC. If any candidate wants to win over the tea party people, they should stay away from Beck. Beck is so obviously an IDIOT without much brain power. It never ceases to amaze me that anyone listens to him. He dumbs down everyone he talks to. I can’t believe he has any following. He is as false as a three dollar bill.

  25. Bob Strauss……………………………….
    One thing which really bothers me is should Soetoro successfully make it to the end of his first term without any action against him from either Congress or the SCOTUS, his GOONS will most certainly try to make the public believe that all of the PATRIOTS are WRONG. The DNC will say something like “See we told all of you that he is eligible .Nobody has yet been successful in trying to sue him,so he MUST have been born in Hawaii”. I fear the MORON voters will lap that line of manure right up, and vote him in for a second chance to destroy the country. That is my GREATEST FEAR.

  26. AZ-legal citizen

    Maybe Beck/Congress etc. are using the Alinsky rule to keep quiet about your true beliefs. There will never be a full investigation until Obama loses the House. Not releasing the Birth Certificate/ School Records/ Passports Records/ State Legislature Records/U.S. Senate Records/ etc. Obama’s mothers passport records before 1965 were destroyed? Blocking court cases? It’s down right embarrassing that any President wouldn’t turn over all his records. Because of the Birthers; many of my friends that voted for Obama are now starting to ask questions about why is he not releasing his records. Evan the ones that believe he was born in Hawaii. I actually think Birthers are becoming the majority.
    Sept News:
    Mayor Daley not running again in Chgo, Bill Ayers retiring Univ IL. I’d like to know the real connnection of Obama/ Ayers. The Brinks Robbery was in NY in the 80’s.. Valarie Jarrett’s family connection to Ayers. Eric Holder getting Kathy Boudin(Weather Underground) a pardon from Clinton. Odd how they all turned up in Chgo working with the same people…

  27. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

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    my criticism of the posters who continually harp on conspiracy theories about ptbs

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    You can’t even convict Zero of obvious crimes without a LOT of agreement of at least some of the PTBs. If you don’t know what the PTBs are up to or how they think, then you are spinning your wheels.

    You are relentlessly and repeatedly charging a well fortified hill without so much as a little recon or scouting.

    GET REAL!

  28. AZ-legal citizen | September 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm |

    It is abundently clear that bo conspired with Ayers, NBPP, the Saudi Royal Family and other criminals.

  29. Bob Strauss 1:29′ I agree with your post in theory, however all of the Court Systems have been Hi-Jacked with Soros and his money ,all the way up to the Supreme Court. There was a case on the Eligibility Issue that was put on the document and a Court Clerk by the name of Danny Bickel removed it from the docket. The CJG’s at this time are useless as no court will even read and except findings leave off putting them on the Docket to be heard. We have LTC Lakin basically in lock-up at present, although he went through the Chain of Command presenting his case and was ignored, so he went public and the rest is history unless GOD Almighty intervenes. That leaves WE THE PEOPLE to form a March with Millions involved to converge on Washington DC and hold the Govt Hostage until the issue of the Usurper is resolved. It will not be solved at the Ballot Box it will only be solved with the force of WE THE PEOPLE. WE HAVE NO LEGALLY FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENT!!!

  30. “You can’t even convict Zero of obvious crimes without a LOT of agreement of at least some of the PTBs.”

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    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

    NONSENSE! It only takes 12 Jurors to CONVICT bo and his local co-conspirators in State Court and We the People have over 3000 State Courts to try bo in. The odds are decidedly against bo remaining a free man much longer.

  31. “You can’t even convict Zero of obvious crimes without a LOT of agreement of at least some of the PTBs.”

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    NONSENSE! It only takes 12 Jurors to CONVICT bo and his local co-conspirators in State Court and We the People have over 3000 State Courts to try bo in. The odds are decidedly against bo remaining a free man much longer.

    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

  32. If the obots weren’t terribly FRIGHTENED by the prospects of State Court Indictments of bo and his local co-conspirators then they wouldn’t get so UPSET by our posts about the POWER of GRAND JURY INDICTMENTS.

  33. CC, hows this for being “Real”?

    Bookmarks Toolbar
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    http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/central/
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/

  34. CC sorry wrong link. Working on solution.

  35. I applaud you, CW, for posting this email. I applaud the author, as well.

    My hope is that one day this site will once again become a place where you won’t be bullied by those that remind you at every turn they “know a LOT” for simply asking a question or presenting an “outside the box” theory for consideration that just might help a fellow blogger further their own investigative skills; a more tolerant place to exchange sources, resources, ideas and information that might further us along the path, or perhaps takes us down another path, even one that may go against the “grain,” that would break free the chains of current thought after years of being hypnotized by traditional mediums.

    This site was a springboard for me to break free the chains. I left after being put in moderation one day for posting information on the media blackout that was going on in this country concerning new scientific, peer reviewed evidence about military grade explosives used to bring down the towers on 9/11. My post was then subsequently deleted with no explanation. I moved on, leaving a few friends I’d made here behind. It was evident “truther” conversations were frowned upon. A poster promptly let me know admitting to being a “truther” on your site was a disgrace to this community, but “birthers” were more than welcome here. She said there was a difference. I didn’t understand their justification given for the distinction between the two, as if one seeking the truth about the birth certificate (NBC) was somehow not as “lowly” as one seeking the truth about the most tragic event ever to take place on American soil and change the course of life as we knew it. It was never officially declared a crime scene; 3,000 people perished and the proper steps taken to investigate it simply didn’t happen. It was quickly cleaned up and shipped out of this country. I heard a speech last year by a fire chief on the explicit rules they are supposed to follow to investigate any fire or explosion resulting from a chemical…like jet fuel. Didn’t happen. They weren’t even allowed to investigate. Why?

    I remember how I felt the first time I read an “outside the box” article on that tragic day in America’s history. In fact, I clicked on it out of curiosity to see what those “crazy idiots” were saying. Well…after I read it I didn’t think they were so crazy. And, so what’s the big deal about asking for a new independent investigation into that day? We should all be asking for one. That day changed everything not only for America & Americans, but for other countries and their peoples, as well. Rights and freedoms continue to be usurped and eroded as a result of that tragic event. National and International policies have been written based on that event. (Did you know that Canada has their own version of the Patriot Act forced upon them by their government?) Homeland Security/FEMA have since become major players in the landscape of government – growing in size and budget. The list is endless, as are the questions. The answers come from blog site owners, inquisitive bloggers, whistleblowers, historians and investigative journalists that can’t get their books published because the publishing companies are owned by the same folks that own the newspapers and t.v stations and are forced to implement their own blog site as a place to publish their articles.

    Thus, one medium that remains the biggest threat to those filtering the news – if you want to call it news – is the Internet. And, they are moving quickly, as you know, to shut it down for that reason. In the meantime they are employing bloggers to control the flow of information and moderate “outside of the box” conversations on websites, as well as employing and funding blog sites to post disinformation. The psychological games are endless and the battle is exhausting. A safe haven for those seeking the truth is needed and necessary if we are to continue our quest for the truth for our fellow citizens. Only the truth will set us free.

    Again, thank you CW and thanks to the author for opening up this conversation and allowing me the opportunity respond.

  36. theconservativemonster at com/2010/09/05/lucas-smith-sends-copy-of-kenyan-birth-certificate-to-every-member-of-congress

  37. Oldsalt,

    I believe I know what you may be referring too. Back when V.P. Dick Cheney was gathering the electorials, it would have only taken 1 Senator and 1 congress-person to have objected and thus request a full investigation of bo being qualified for potus. This is discussed in full legal detail with Mario Apuzzo’s law suit with Charles.

    As for a legal investigation current, I “think” that it requies the house/senate majority (which are the democrats) sitting as the head of the investigative commitee to approve the investigation, otherwise it does not move forward.

    I believe (and may be wrong, been awhile) that it is for this reason, republicans not being the majority, have such a difficult time investigating, and are now preparing a whale load of investigations to move forward with the anticipation of taking over as the majority, hense will now rule on the comittee after November.

    That’s all and great, but begs the question, least from my paradigm; after november, when the republicans have a majority on the investigative comittee, how far will they go? Will they finally investigate bo background and histroy? Or will they simply use it – the threat of an investigation – in order to get their way?

    Of course, neither of us can answser that, but I will say this: having the goods on someone and the ability to blackmail them, is far more powerful than exposing them and riddance. Once exposed with a crime and removed, the opposing person(s) lose all abilty to pawn.

    It is for this reason, and it truely saddens me, that I do not believe once the republican party wins the majority, they will investigate bo himself. He is worth more as a blackmail, then our own Country and Constitution according to politicans aware.

    I pray I am wrong.

  38. Anyone have any news on the rally’s in Wash.,D.C., St. Lewis, and Sacramento today?

  39. Aren’t we long overdue for an Special Prosecutor, and an investigation, of Obama’s qualifications, to be Constitutional, in regard to the natural born citizen clause? How about just IDing the bastard, so we at least know his real name?

  40. We The People..Prosecute all RICO Act.

  41. Free Speech & Citizen Carlyle
    ===================
    On the issue of Obama and my contention for his CIA connection and work, the Glen Beck issue ties into this. No one wants to acknowledge how a patriotic arm of the government could get out of hand. (If you would read Ian Johnson’s book, A MOSQUE IN MUNICH, it might give you some insight.) This includes Glen Beck, O’Reilly and other Conservative spokesmen. They have been told it is their patriotic duty to stay away from the issue of Obama’s records and eligibility by the CIA with the guaruntee by the agency that Obama IS ELIGIBLE–that he worked for “The Company” and lives will be put at risk if there is any compromise of his personal information.

    “Yes,” they say, “he is a Leftist. Yes, he wants a type of Socialism for America. But he put his life at risk working for the CIA and is a natural born American.”

    They’ve said the same things to the courts. They’ve classified his personal records to make them unavailable.

    Obama couldn’t do this on his own. Figure it out. No person could do this on his own. The information would come out somehow. There would be leaks. To be so tightly concealed there would have to be a vast, powerful agency that is able to cover all the bases.

    Obama worked for BIC, a CIA front, and Dr. Manning in his trial brought out other evidence, to include personal testimony of a former Russian agent.

    As for clearances, you are right, Carlyle, on the need to know stuff, but believe me, whatever is needed to get the job done is granted. Obama, apparently, was sent to Pakistan when regular non-Muslim Americans were banned from the country. That is where Bin-Laden was operating from and through whom we were sending arms and supplies to the Afghan rebels fighting the Soviets. Obama would have been granted the necessary clearance–whatever was needed–to act as courier and go-between. He wasn’t in Columbia University. He was enrolled and granted credit for his overseas work with “The Company.”

    So the Conservative spokesmen like Beck have all been told to leave well enough alone. They may oppose Obama on his policies and goals for America, but must leave his past alone. It is classified, they’ve been told, and they trust the CIA as being a patriotic agency doing its duty.

    So they have to disparage other patriots who question. They are “in the know.” We are not. That gives them a heady feeling along with other elites and leaves us questioning.

    I personally believe Obama may have been born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen. More evidence has come out to me to wonder if the contention that he is the illegitimate son of Malcolm Little, known as Malcolm-X (Malik Shabazz, his Muslim name)? I thought this was very far-fetched at first. But sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.

    I believe the truth will eventually come out. The problem with Americans in general and those in government in particular is they do not get the picture with Islam. They think all religions are created equal and the good Muslims are on our side. So if Obama was raised Muslim and worked for us as a Muslim, well and good.

    But the opposite is true. All religions are not created equal and the good Muslims are not on our side. They may not agree or like what the Jihadists are doing but they sympathize with them. They think they are better Muslims for their sacrifices.

    As for not getting the picture on Obama, Malcolm X went from Black Muslim to Sunni. Obama, I believe, went from Sunni to Shiite. Shia Islam fits with his Leftwing orientation. It also allows him to dissimulate and pretend, now, to be Christian. He praises Malcolm X in his book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER, for always “re-creating himself.” It is obvious that Malcolm was his spiritual father, if not his actual biological father.

    Well, I’m not trying to convince anyone. That is just how it looks to me. I believe Beck and all the others who ignore the eligibility issue feel they are doing their patriotic duty as bidden by the government and CIA reps. So they feel it their duty to oppose Obama strictly on his policies and associations now. They want to defeat him at the polls and then let him drift away, resetting everything along more moderate Conservative lines.

  42. Sir William……………………………………………..
    I believe that your last comment is what I might have been thinking
    of. Yet there is still one more potential force remaining. I personally think that it might not have to be utilised. This is the last resort,and probably not something that everyone has the stomach for, but in 1776 it was all that remained then as well. Thanx to Free Speech I have finally gotten started in re reading our Constitution, and our Declaration of Independence. I am going slowly with it. I was interrupted last week by virtue of a visit to our hospital for a three day intravenous antibiotic feed to combat a really nasty case of infection in my lower leg.(CELLULITIS). Not a whole lot of fun.

  43. Oldsalt,

    Did CW ever get a chance to sen you my personal email?

  44. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:32 pm |

    ===========================

    You are so full of it. You are just like R A P – you are full of “secrets” you cannot explain to us humble peasants and you want to push us down a dead end path.

    So you put on a CGJ and produce as many documents as you want. THAT is the EASY part (and as far as I know, there is still not a single CGJ convened along the lines you suggest). The hard part comes next. This is where you have to face the PTBs who have a dramatically different agenda than you or me.

    I have asked you over and over – for months, now it seems – how you expect that part to work. But you NEVER answer. You thus throw up some general quotes from some expert somewhere that it OUGHT to work.

    So what? Numerous things tried so far “ought” to have worked, but they didn’t. So you bring us right back to where we already are – no jurisdiction and no standing.

    Nobody, not even a President, is “above the law”, theoretically. But they are doing a pretty damn good job of that so far, PRACTICALLY.

  45. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:39 pm |

    ===========================

    I haven’t seen any frightened OBOTS, just laughing ones.

  46. The obot arguments against Eligibility Lawsuits and Grand Jury Indictments against bo never cease to amaze. Trying to link Constitutional Patriots with looney “truthers” who claim that President Bush was involved with a 911 conspiracy with the Saudi Terrorists who murdered Americans on 911 is particularly nutty.

    President Bush made mistakes as all Presidents do, but he is NOT a CRIMINAL like bo who has been proven to be aiding and abetting Foreign and Domestic Terrorists.

  47. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JustMe | September 12, 2010 at 2:55 pm |

    ======================

    Please read and consider some of the past posts more carefully.
    Being a “truther” is a disgrace because that term has come to
    universally mean something rather narrow. Something that
    has been thoroughly and deeply discredited. To wit:

    A TRUTHER is someone who ‘knows’ the answer to what happened on 9/11 and it is this: The whole thing was in inside job by Neocons with help from the Israelis. Muslims had nothing to do with it.

    99% of all “truther” stuff on the internet is of this ilk. That is why Van Jones got fired. That is why Glenn Beck ridiculed Debra Medina.

    Now – let’s try again, however. Do we know all the truth about 9/11. No. Is the MSM covering stuff up? Maybe, but probably not – it is unlikely they know the truth. Is the government covering up? Absolutely. At a minimum there are military and government secrets surrounding the events. I mentioned a possibility the other day – maybe one of the airliners FULL OF AMERICAN CITIZENS! was shot down by our own government.

    The real question with all of that is: Are the secrets legitimate or are they covering illegal or tyrannical activity? Perhaps we will never know.

    A REAL SEEKER will ask these two questions: 1) do we know all there is to know? and 2) will pressing for more truth do any good? And I don’t mean will it be ‘effective’ in getting the answers. I mean, will any thing positive happen upon learning more secrets?

    Perhaps you are a REAL SEEKER. Good for you. But if you are one of “them” or have been accidentally sucked into that whirlpool – then it is really difficult to know whether to feel truly sorry for you and hope/pray for your recovery/enlightenment, or to mock you.

    That is why some of us just want to see the whole subject more or less banned from here. It is off center to what we are trying to do and “old news”. I think we need to focus on the current situation.

    Assuming you are on the up and up – God Bless You.

  48. OldSalt,

    I am so very sorry to hear of your hospital visit. I am my family will certainly say a prayer for you tonight at supper time.

    I too have been away more often than usual. Of course, answering questions at various websites pertaining to my interview with the postemail that brought the story over to their website caught me by surprise.

    Inclusive in these last several days, I have been building a new deer hunting stand. With deer hunting for Bow opens in less than 2 weeks, I am scrambling to finish the project. Its big, its tall, and damn near capable of handling handicap wheelchair hunters.

    For now, it is my peace of mind. Currently in the job market, the FOIA Affidavit issues with the State Dept., reviewing Q/A in an attempt to keep the truth up front, but I am blessed. A loving family, beautiful healthy children and at times, I simply need to remind myself to smile from time to time.

    Not to mention those such as yourself OldSalt, that warm my heart when reading your posts.

  49. Dean M.,

    Fiction is stranger than truth when it is extraordinarily bad fiction like your posts.

    Truth is that bo is a muslim NOT Constitutionally Qualified to be POTUS who usurped the Presidency with fellow criminal conspirators: bill ayers, NPP and the Saudi Royal Family among other Terrorist groups.

    The facts are bo is a muslim

  50. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Dean M. | September 12, 2010 at 3:32 pm |

    ================================

    FS and I are quite different. I do not know if Zero has any CIA connections or not. I remember you making this argument a long time ago over at TD Blog. I don’t remember you being mocked – we were all seekers and learners – but I do remember no one believed you.

    Somewhere along the way, a bunch of us said, “wow, that crazy DM dude may be right!”. You have steadfastly stuck by your guns and in my opinion the evolving facts make your theory stronger rather than weaker.

    [PS – FS’s statement about what Zero was doing in the ’80s is absolutely correct, but it is not exclusive of the CIA tapping him for a specific mission(s).]

    But I still remain sympathetic to the people who say – “But that can’t possibly be true, can it?” I just don’t know. So many questions so few answers.

    On the clearances, I don’t disagree with you in any fundamental way. But I stick by my statement that the clearances are of different levels, different types, and different focus. A CIA operative will indeed have access to everything he really needs to know to carry out his operation. But to me this is akin to a pilot or even a carrier group commander knowing what they need to know for their mission. It is not the same as knowing a lot of broad-based stuff. Or knowing details about safe houses, bunkers, continuity of government, and other BIG secrets.

  51. FYI,

    The State Dept. Is to respond to the Chris Strunk FIOA, which included my Affidavit, on 9/16. Let’s see what they say.

  52. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 3:47 pm |

    The obot arguments against Eligibility Lawsuits and Grand Jury Indictments against bo never cease to amaze. Trying to link Constitutional Patriots with looney “truthers” who claim that President Bush was involved with a 911 conspiracy with the Saudi Terrorists who murdered Americans on 911 is particularly nutty.

    President Bush made mistakes as all Presidents do, but he is NOT a CRIMINAL like bo who has been proven to be aiding and abetting Foreign and Domestic Terrorists.

    ===============================

    Everything you say here is spot on – but I don’t understand the first sentence. It seems to have nothing to do with the rest of your post.

  53. SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 4:06 pm |

    Thanks for the update.

  54. Dean M…………………………………..
    You do an admirable job of laying things out in sort of a chronological order if you will. Makes it easy to read and follow. I do have only one argument against your view point. You have failed to adress the millions of us who are fed up to our ears with Barry Soetoro. While he certainly is an excellent orator (when he has his teleprompter.) His one statement that supercedes all of his rhetoric is “I will FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA.” America does not need to be FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED, and as far as I can determine the only people who want it changed are the EXTREME LEFT WHO SEEM TO BE MOSTLY PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER OF SOCIALIST,COMMUNIST,MUSLIM, OR MARXIST BELIEF.There are 330,000,000 million people living in the US, and I am one of them. While I will not try to speak for anyone else,I do believe that there are an awful lot of us around who think that the US is just fine the way it is or perhaps now better said……..WAS. The US done OK in the interim years from 1776, and while it needed a little tweaking from time to time it was never necessary to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE our way of life. In addition I personally resent those who think that they are GOD and have some sort of mandate from GOD to change the WORLD. Interestingly there was a moustached little Austrian who thought that he had a mandate to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE HUMANITY ITSELF. His mandate didn’t come from GOD,it came from within his own depraved little mind, and look what he done to humanity in the process. Further look what it did for HIM.

  55. Sir William …………………………….
    I am sure that there will be quite a gathering on CW blog as the trime draws near for the affidavit that you was able to get “HAND DELIVERED,”if you will. I am praying that what you had to say will cause a heavy bolt of lightning to descend from Heaven itself and will cleanse the entire (alleged) US Government. If it can cause a forest fire maybe it will at least cause JOE BIDEN to suddenly expell the rest of his systemic manure. WOW what a pile of SH–. Pleas pardon my CANDOR!

  56. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    A message for you who just had a V8 Moment that the government lies.

    I have mentioned several times in the last few days that it is not surprising that the government has secrets or that the CIA does “unusual” and “suspicious” things. A certain level of this is NECESSARY. The conundrum for a constitutional republic is how to “police” this. What is OK and what isn’t? Who is the watchdog?

    Here is another example about “false flag” operations. I cannot think of a good legal reason to specifically run a false flag operation against your own people – although I admit some of the more lunatic liberals leave one damn tempted.

    But surprise and misdirection are a FUNDAMENTAL PART of war. Consider a powerful organization who is outside the US that is aligned with your enemy and is in a position to provide aid and succor to your enemy and to impose severe economic or other sanctions against the US. The United Nations comes to mind.

    Conundrum question of the day: In the time honored tradition of ruse de guerre, is it legitimate for the US to run a False Flag operation to “mess with” the UN? In order to keep it secret as it must be, is it OK to not tell the American People?

    You see, folks, things are not nearly as clean and simple as some would believe. I am astounded almost daily by yet another Rip Van Winkle who awakes and who stumbles on one of these things and explodes “OMG, the US does/did THAT!?”

    Can you spell NAIVE?

    Another naivete involves repeated whiney discussions and air-sucking about “torture”. Torture is clearly bad and illegal by international law (Geneva Conventions). Torture is basically 1) imposing mental or physical pain for the amusement of the perpetrator, retribution, etc., 2) trying to force confusions. The reason we don’t torture is because the first is morally reprehensible and the second is ineffective.

    Imposing mental or physical pain to extract actionable information is not torture and is a fundamental and NECESSARY part of interrogation. Not “enhanced interrogation”, but any interrogation. In war you do things that would otherwise be illegal or immoral. You kill people without any due process at all, you interrogate people, you capture and lock people up. Get over it!

    Can you spell NAIVE?

    Part of the reason this is all relevant and extremely important – Obama and Holder, in particular, are square in the camp of those who make believe war is a civilized parlor game. If they are not stopped, they will DESTROY AMERICA with this foolishness.

  57. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 4:04 pm |

    ==========================

    All true, and I don’t think Dean M. ever said otherwise.
    But none of that precludes him being a CIA operative also.

  58. Here is my 2 cents.

    I don’t belevie for one moment that bo worked for the CIA. I cannot prove that, no more than the opposing argument can prove that he did, its moot.

    My personal opinion, is bo was traveling on his own to discover himself, if possible. His love of Mao, Marx, Stalinism and Muslim beleifs was the cause of such endevors, not the CIA.

  59. Rosemary Woodhouse

    From what I understand, Lakin’s lawyer is less than experienced in “criminal” proceedings, and Taitz, well intended though she may be, is less than credible. We need a lawyer who is up to the challenge. Whatever happened to Phil Berg, anyway?

  60. Met an Iowa City lady on a plane. She and her husband are Republicans but voted in the Democratic primary ’cause the local R party is so weak. They voted for Zero’s Hope and Change, because they were concerned about Hillary. She expressed their deep regret for their role in advancing Zero. She said she felt many Iowans no feel they were fooled and are anxious to make things right.

  61. Dean M. | September 12, 2010 at 3:32 pm |

    “I personally believe Obama may have been born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen.”
    _______________________________________________

    Don’t you mean “naturalized born citizen”?

    Check-out “USURPERVILLE”

  62. Glen Beck is first an entertainer. I do not take him seriously, primarily because he will not address the seminal issue of our time, the President’s ineligibility and the destruction of the US Constitution by all three branches of government.

  63. Sir William……………………………………….
    I am in the process of changing my IP service back to Comcast. It was with Verizon. Now I have a formal complaint on the desk of our Indiana Attorney General relating to the ETF charges that they try to ram down everyone’s throat. They chose to divest themselves of the bundled FIOS system which included the internet service. When I discovered this I immediately cancelled our Verizon contract. By virtue of the sellout they did not uphold their end of the contract. They chose to sell our contract to Frontier Communications. In so doing they breached the terms of the original contract. They did not advise us before the sale of FIOS was completed and inked. They told us after the fact. Now they are going to be sued if Greg Zoeller can’t build a fire under them. I believe that my potential lawsuit has legs. FIOS lost over $5.3 billion in it’s 3 years of existence. It is not my fault if they had a failed or otherwise infirmed business plan. They were forced to axe FIOS.In their haste they failed to consider those who held BINDING contracts with them. Now they think that they are going to collect another $175.00 ETF from us on top of it all. Verizon has one hell of a lot of people angered at them. They have a history of poor business conduct towards their customers. The fact that a class action against them was won by the attorney general of another state, only adds strength to my complaint.

  64. I am planning to install Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 sometime in the next few days. I like it as my default email. I will advise CW first then have him pass my new email addy on to you. Sorry for any inconvenience this might have caused, but I finally got to the point where I had enough of Verizon right up to my ears. Their service was about one step from totally poor. Constantly out of order with equipment failures. Again NOT MY FAULT!

  65. Bill G | September 12, 2010 at 4:42 pm |
    Met an Iowa City lady on a plane. She and her husband are Republicans but voted in the Democratic primary ’cause the local R party is so weak. They voted for Zero’s Hope and Change, because they were concerned about Hillary. She expressed their deep regret for their role in advancing Zero. She said she felt many Iowans no feel they were fooled and are anxious to make things right.
    ===============================================

    rinos like this who only think in terms of party loyalty more than Independents and the good Democrats who saw the light did more to stick us with bo and keep him in office. Even now the rinos refuse to bring criminal charges against bo because they want to keep him in office for selfish political motives in 2010 and 2012.

  66. A Connection between God’s Covenant and Obama?

    Found this on Free Republic. Makes sense worth reading, see comments?

    The Root And Shoot Of Islam And Obama Is Shame And Blame.
    Posted on 09/11/2010 3:34:11 PM PDT by Armaggedon

    The divine covenant of God’s restoration of the kingdom of heaven on
    earth comes through Isaac and Israel, not Ishmael and Islam. Hagar the
    mother of Ishamel tried to usurp the covenant for her son Ishamel. This
    spirit of shame and blame has burned in the tribe of Ishmael for 4,000
    years. God spoke in Genesis 17:19.

    “And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou
    shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for
    an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.”

    Islam denies the covenant through Isaac and Israel. They claim the
    covenant through Ishmael. Islam claims Abraham took Ishmael to the Kaaba black stone, to be sacrificed in what is now Mecca. Islam does not
    accept that the symbolic sacrifice of Isaac by Abraham happened on Mount
    Moriah of Jerusalem. The spirit in Ishmael and Islam, of resentment,
    jealousy and shame were described in Genesis 16:11-12.

    “And the angel of the LORD said unto Hagar, Behold thou art with child,
    and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD
    has heard thy affliction.
    And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and
    everyman’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all
    his brethren.”

    The jealousy of Hagar, mother of Ishmael has opened the door to deep
    shame and violence. Hagar tried to usurp the role of Sarah the wife of
    Abraham. Ishmael tried to usurp the covenant of God promised through
    Isaac. Islam carries on their battle. It is war and will only end in end
    times.

    Obama is a plant and agent of the spirit of Ishmael and Islam. Obama is
    in deep shame and lashes out in blame against his many perceived enemies
    in America. He senses America is somehow connected with Israel and Obama hates that light. Thus, Obama strikes out with hate, lies and
    oppression. Obama is driven like a wild man to fulfill his vast demonic
    agenda and put Islam in the role of bearer of the covenant. There is one
    thing missing in the plan of Obama and that is the Will of God.

    Obama mocks the Judeo-Christian tradition and even mocked the Sermon On
    The Mount of Jesus Christ. Obama serves in the spirit of anti-Christ.
    That is he denies our Lord and what God brings on earth. So we find
    ourselves in a strange place with a usurper in the seat of power and
    might in the White House, who denies the Spirit of God. The Obama Nation
    of desolation has been set up in our holy place.

    It is time to turn to God in Love and service and let the Spirit of God
    cast out the usurper.
    ———————————————————
    Commnts…….
    To: Armaggedon

    “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an
    ugly direction.” ~Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. The Audacity of Hope
    —————————————————-
    2 posted on 09/11/2010 4:01:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don’t need a newspaper to know the world’s been shaved by a drunken barber.)
    —————————————————–
    To: Armaggedon

    You are right they are descendants of the rejected son – no wonder they
    have self esteem issues.
    3 posted on 09/11/2010 4:10:14 PM PDT by 30Moves
    ———————————————————
    To: 30Moves

    You are right they are descendants of the rejected son
    Genetically speaking only Arabs, and probably not all of them, are
    descended from Ishmael. The vast majority of the world’s Muslims have no
    genetic connection to him.
    4 posted on 09/11/2010 4:14:55 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
    ——————————————————
    To: Sherman Logan

    Islam was founded by the seed of Ishmael. If the heart of Islam is in
    shame, resentment and jealousy, then out of that heart their mouth will
    speak. By their fruits ye shall know them. Islam cannot even leave the
    site of Ground Zero, in peace. They put up their idols of contention and
    violence.
    5 posted on 09/11/2010 4:29:23 PM PDT by
    Armaggedon

  67. Citizen Carlyle FUBO
    I can think of a really good reason for a “FALSE FLAG OPERATION”, it is generally called DISTRACTION. What happens to people who drive and talk on their cell phone while doing 80mph on an interstate? They are DISTRACTED and often end up trying to remove the tail light of their vehicle from their anus, while lying in a pile of debris,and wreckage. The idea of causing distraction goes towards a number of efforts at the same time. BO thinks that it will take your attention off of him and his NUTCASE FRIENDS at the WH.

  68. Bill G | September 12, 2010 at 4:44 pm |
    Glen Beck is first an entertainer. I do not take him seriously, primarily because he will not address the seminal issue of our time, the President’s ineligibility and the destruction of the US Constitution by all three branches of government.
    =============================================

    U R CORRECT, Bill G

  69. Sir William…………………………………
    You and I are definitely on the same page relating to Soetoro’s alleged employment at CIA. Of course that doesn’t answer the Columbia University question. He obviously had a surrogate somewhere in the administration. Just my personal belief. The other question is where was he getting the money to do all of the travelling. I believe that it was international drug sales that provided him a “cut of the action.” Pakistan is right next door to Afghanistan. Doesn’t a large percentage of the world’s opium supply come from Afghanistan. Maybe Pakistan was providing him a backdoor to Afghanistan. Just reasoning!

  70. The fact remains: Just because a person may have worked in CIA does NOT automatically mean they are Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.

  71. CC,
    Regarding you 12:31 post from last night. Thank you for your thoughful reply, as always. I may be at the bottom of my rabbit hole and afraid to turn on the light.

    Question… you keep asking us to think like TPTB. Why not determine who they are and define their end game? This seems like more of aconcrete strategy to counter them than trying to play psychic.

  72. ← Muslims launch campaign against Dr. Manning Atlah Church, Citizen Wells open thread, September 11, 2010 Glenn Beck motives, TheBlaze.com, Using truth to deceive?, Citizen Wells open thread, September 12, 2010 Posted on September 12, 2010 by citizenwells| 71 Comments Glenn Beck motives, TheBlaze.com, Using truth to deceive? “Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans The following article was sent to me in an email this morning by a long time commenter and patriot. I am not certain if I totally agree with it. There is much food for thought. I can forgive Glenn Beck for not covering Obama’s eligibility in order to stay on the air to cover other crucial concerns (if that was his motive). However, when he insulted millions of concerned Americans who question Obama’s eligibility, including many in the military, including numerous high ranking officers and then finally LTC Terry Lakin, he went way over the line. From Grand Delusion February 1, 2010. “The Beck Deception Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier. – Charles F. Kettering If you are a die-hard Glenn Beck fan (like I was), please keep a very open mind as you read this. Our freedom depends on it. I know too many “ex-Glenn Beck fans” who are using the wrong approach in attempting to show you why Glenn is more of a threat to the American people than he is a truth-teller or savior. I don’t entirely fault them because I understand their frustration as well as their “sense of urgency”. The simple fact of the matter is that if “We The People” do not begin to think for ourselves, and stop the conformity, we will continue to be misled, and we will get nowhere in our fight to regain our freedom and liberties. In my quest to understand how our country has gotten to where it is, I found Glenn Beck. Not only did he seem to have the answers, he was also providing me with excellent information about people and groups (the czars, ACORN, SEIU, Andy Stern, Anita Dunn, etc.) who surround and influence our president and our policies. I was sure Glenn had stumbled on some pretty beefy information which offered a great explanation as to why our country was going to hell in a hand basket. For months, I never missed a Glenn Beck show. At the same time, I continued my relentless research on the internet for as much “truth” as I could get my hands on and I’m convinced this allowed me to keep a healthy perspective on “truth”. One day while watching Glenn – a warning signal sounded in my head. In realizing just how massive of a following that Glenn was gaining, I cautioned myself to be careful and to keep an open mind. As indicated by history as well as the bible, I understood that anyone who has the ability to gain such a mass following of people also has the ability to lead that mass astray. IN ORDER TO SUCCESSFULLY DECEIVE – YOU MUST USE TRUTH You cannot gain a mass following by telling lies. In order to deceive, You MUST use the truth… or at the very least, what might be acknowledged as truth by the masses (more on this later). The majority who align themselves with Glenn Beck consider themselves to be “conservatives.” If you fall into this category, you do not follow CNN or MSNBC because “you are able to see the lies.” You can’t conform to their viewpoint because there isn’t enough truth in their message to keep your attention. CNN or MSNBC cannot deceive you because you see no truth in their message. Deception can only deceive if it looks somewhat like the real thing. Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive BEFORE YOU UNDERSTAND “HOW” – YOU MUST UNDERSTAND “WHY” Many of you will refuse to believe that you are being deceived by Glenn Beck because you cannot fathom any reason why he would do this. Without considering the big picture, this is understandable. Because of this, you have rationalized that the “Beck Bashers” must either be jealous of his fame and fortune or they are just “idiot liberals.” Before we can begin to explore “how we are being deceived”, we must first ask the question, “Why?” The short answer is controlled opposition, and this is where it is crucial for many of you to gain and keep an open mind! Some of you reading this already know that the truth (whole, entire truth) will never be televised. But, as I temporarily did, you are holding on to the hope that somehow, Beck/FOX managed to break free of this rule. You may even think that FOX has discovered that there is more money in telling the truth – so they are going to continue to do it – until the Obama Administration decides to silence them. If you believe there is any threat of FOX being shut down or of Beck being taken off the air – let me guarantee – this will never happen. Why? Because Glenn Beck is the most valuable player on Team Obama than anyone else. Why? Because the elites behind the New World Order who own “Team Obama” also own all of mainstream media.” “As I continued to watch Glenn Beck with an open mind, I began to see signs of deception. I began to see signs of neo-conservatism. I hadn’t even finished my “Arguing with Idiots” book. Issues and actions that were extreme violations of the Constitution and our freedoms and liberties that were discussed all over the internet went for days unmentioned on his program. If and when they were mentioned, they were not given the attention they deserve. Some were blown off entirely. As I dug more and more into the 9/11 Truth Movement and I saw the legitimate questions coming from patriots, our war veterans, our military leaders, 9/11 commission members, aerospace engineers, experts, historians, pilots, architects and engineers, families of those killed, economists, I realized these people were not the “kooks” that Beck described. They were also not “dangerous” as Beck described. I had to ask myself why he would mislead his followers. Beck even went so far as to say that he “began hating the families of those who died on 9/11.” Someone who told us to “Question Boldly” suddenly had a zero tolerance level for questioning even from families who had more reason than anyone else to question. I had no choice, in the face of all the evidence, to conclude that Beck is the ultimate deception because he makes the choice to deceive – as opposed to deceiving out of plain old ignorance. I attribute much of my initial awakening to Glenn Beck – but because I knew better than to give him my complete trust (I reserve that for God) – and I knew the importance of continuing to find truth on my own (as everyone needs to do, especially now), I knew when to part ways with him. That ultimately led to me turning off the TV. I do not get my news from the TV – because the truth isn’t televised and because you should never be bullied into asking or NOT asking any question. If Beck were truly “bucking the system” – he would have gone the way of Lou Dobbs. If you want to control the dissent, lead the dissent.” Read more: http://www.granddelusion.com/glenn-beck/ ——————————————————————————– Possibly related posts: (automatically generated) Glenn Beck, Americans insulted, Birthers, Glenn Beck Radio Show staff, Beck… Glenn Beck wants the truth, why is Obama hiding his college records, Glenn … Glenn Beck, Beck insults Americans, Glenn Beck radio show, Citizen Wells de… Exposing Glenn Beck as a Dangerous Fraud, Part 2 This entry was posted in Barack Obama, Citizen, Citizen Journalism, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, Founding Fathers, Fox news, Glenn Beck, Lies, Lou Dobbs, Military officers, Natural born citizen, Obama, Obama indictment, Obama lies, Obama records, Patriotism, The Case Against Barack Obama, US Constitution, US Military, US Soldier, United States, Usurper, Washington DC, conservatives, constitution, fraud, white house and tagged 2010, Citizen Wells open thread, Glenn Beck motives, September 12, TheBlaze.com, Using truth to deceive?. Bookmark the permalink. ← Muslims launch campaign against Dr. Manning Atlah Church, Citizen Wells open thread, September 11, 2010 71 Responses to Glenn Beck motives, TheBlaze.com, Using truth to deceive?, Citizen Wells open thread, September 12, 2010 usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com | September 12, 2010 at 11:21 am | For years I have learned to hear clearly what people do NOT SAY as well as what they do say. Fox news like lame stream news silence regarding the imposter’s eligibility issue has been loud. The occasional moments the issue did come forward always turned out to be a denigration of the “birthers” and a support that Sotoero is legitimate. At one point I became so frustrated with their denials I wrote and posted in February 2010 the following: Glen Beck Has Lost His Credibility With Me. Glen Beck has lost his credibility by denigrating those who challenge Hussein’s eligibility. How can any one believe his passion over his complaints of Constitutional violations by the government if he diminishes those who are challenging the first and most vital issues of a Constitutional violation? A is still A. The legitimacy of the president is the first and most vital keystone to America’s national security, sanctity of American law, and the guarantee of the protection of American rights provided by the Constitution. Any and all government acts spring from that simple fact. If America—for whatever the reason/s–has failed to establish this fact, then the president becomes a suspicious poison tree. Whatever fruits come forward from the poison tree are toxic: porkulus bill, health care plan, all the nefarious czars with unlimited power, his choice to bring KSM and his 4 cohorts to trial in New York and all the rest Glen Beck rants and raves about. Glen Beck made a great big issue about all the research his staff does to make certain he get the facts right and tells the truth on his program yesterday. In the spirit of giving the benefit of the doubt—let us say Beck truly believes Obama is legitimate. What harm to his belief or that of Fox news if Beck used his large staff of researchers to report the following facts which also lead to truth: 1. Obama has sealed all his records from the birth certificate to school records to his pass post. Why? 2. Except for his word—what proof does America have that Obama is who he says he is? 3. Our constitution demands three items to be qualified for the American presidency. Has Obama met them and proven so? 4. By Obama’s own admission, his father was born in Kenya and therefore a British citizen? Would this not be a fact to justify the challenge of Obama’s qualifications? 5. What do the public law suits by Leo Donofrio, Mario Arpuzzo, Philip Berg, Dr. Taitz, and others say? 6. What about all the money Obama spent in defense of these suits and where does the money come from? 7. What about all those judges who dismissed the cases on “standing” and not merit? 8. Why does Obama refuse to release his documents and settle the argument once and for all? Any or all of the above points would make an hour long program. He wouldn’t have to agree with them, but he could objectively present the reasons and facts why they have filed these suits. He could also take the time to acknowledge and commend those precious American patriots who love America enough to challenge this. If –after all is said and done—if proves Obama is legitimate—the problem will be resolved and America can go forward to challenge other issues. Glen and Fox News persistent refusal to even discuss the subject make me very suspicious they are complicit in the cover up. They are enablers, aiders and abettors. Therefore, they have betrayed America as flagrantly as Obama and goons. Remove Barack Hussein Obama, II from office in 2010. Failure is not an option. YES WE CAN! Congressman Deal Challenges Obama’s Eligibility FIRST TIME IN U.S. HISTORY THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT’S ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS by P. Patriot – http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/05/deal-challenges-obamas-eligibility/ Even if the putative president ignores the challenge, he cannot hide from it, because by doing so he admits his guilt through silence. Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am | Free Speech @ 11:25 am | Free Speech-I have a question re: this who got Obama cleaned-up to be somewhat presentable to a world at large? I don’t mean laundering records, I’m to look like something that does not resemble to South Side slum landlord that he really is, also what’s up with the CIA are they not loyal Americans? or I can’t imagine what they are up to. “It is well documented that bo in the 80s was a homosexual, marxist, drug addict student. So what would the Conservatives at the CIA during President Reagan adminstration need or want from a reprobate like bo?” oldsalt79 | September 12, 2010 at 11:55 am | I personally am not yet convinced that FOX NEWS is in bed with the Liberals,or Soetoro. I still tend to think that FOXNEWS has been told by Soetoro,or a few of his GOON squad that if they start poking into Soetoro’s past all of the FOX liscensures will be cancelled forthwith. Unfortunately Soetoro IS in a position that will allow him to do it. I am also reasonably sure that it has all been made clear to BECK, HANNITY,Oreilly Bair,and all the others that they WILL NOT explore that territority, ever. If they do they will be history as it applies to FOX. Any other aspect of Soetoro is FAIR GAME. Of course where CNN, and the others are concerned they actively support Soetoro so we know why they never bad mouth him. I hope in earnest that I live to see them all EATING CROW. It has already been plucked, and is waiting. I will watch in relish and laugh in glee at the stupid look on their faces with there every bite of their own sort of manure. Eat up MSM, there is a lot more where that came from, and I will happily supply it for you. Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:58 am | CW- I agree Obama is the “poison tree” what we need to figure out where are all the roots/branches (tentacles). I think most loyal Americans are up to the challenge and the mystery. oldsalt79 | September 12, 2010 at 12:05 pm | Well,folks only one Congressman,or one Senator is required to submit a formal request for a full investigation, out of which they can also convene a FEDERAL GRAND JURY. But I keep thinking HELL will freeze over before that will ever happen. The DOJ could still refuse to pick up any inditements,and that would be the end of it. We need to somehow CLEAN OUT the DOJ including (HOLDER) first. He is as slimey as his boss. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 12:15 pm | If Beck were truly “bucking the system” – he would have gone the way of Lou Dobbs. ============================================ That pretty much sums it up. The one sure way to legally remove bo is to INDICT and CONVICT bo. My criticism of Beck is the same as my criticism of the posters who continually harp on conspiracy theories about ptbs; They fail to focus on the clear evidence of crimes by bo and his co-conspirators. Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.” Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.” For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime: https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville Paxson | September 12, 2010 at 12:20 pm | There is nothing better than watching the pointy headed liberals on the Sunday morning talk shows talking down to the American people. Thinking that they know what is going on with the thought process of the country. Making excuses for Obama, knowing that he is listening to them for advice, because he hasn’t a clue. Trying to convince each other that the fact that they pushed Obama so hard on everybody else was a good choice. Losers. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 12:21 pm | Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am | Free Speech @ 11:25 am | Free Speech-I have a question re: this who got Obama cleaned-up to be somewhat presentable to a world at large? BILL AYERS & I don’t mean laundering records, I’m to look like something that does not resemble to South Side slum landlord that he really is, also what’s up with the CIA are they not loyal Americans? or I can’t imagine what they are up to. usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com | September 12, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 12:15 pm When are we going to see positive results from the CGJ? To date all we hear is they are the way to go. Yet I haven’t seen one iota of any action against the master criminal in the WH. Michele, Forgive me for being a knit picker this morning. It is usapatriots-shout who called the usurper the “poison tree” and not CW. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 12:36 pm | Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am | Free Speech @ 11:25 am | Free Speech-I have a question re: this who got Obama cleaned-up to be somewhat presentable to a world at large? BILL AYERS, Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am | Free Speech @ 11:25 am | Free Speech-I have a question re: this who got Obama cleaned-up to be somewhat presentable to a world at large? BILL AYERS & Khalid al-Mansour & THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY ============================================== I don’t mean laundering records, I’m to look like something that does not resemble to South Side slum landlord that he really is, also what’s up with the CIA are they not loyal Americans? or I can’t imagine what they are up to. CIA IS A VERY COMPLEX ORGANIZATION WITH AGENTS, COUNTER-AGENTS, DOUBLE AGENTS, BUT AGAIN, bo WAS NOT A CIA AGENT IN THE 80s. WATCH THE MOVIE “THE GOOD SHEPARD.” ALSO, DID YOU SEE THE FILM “NIXON?” THERE IS GOOD INFO THERE ABOUT HOW THE CIA OPERATIVES, PARTICULARLY IN A ROUGE ADMINISTRATION. Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 12:38 pm | Free Speech @ 12:15 pm “Michele, Forgive me for being a knit picker this morning. It is usapatriots-shout who called the usurper the “poison tree” and not CW.” Very sorry my error, it is a good analogy not nit-picky-we all try to be accurate-thank you for identifying my error. What is odd is I kept thinking of that phrase yesterday, which you hear all the time on TV re: not introducing evidence because it is the fruit of the poisonous tree. and duh on my part re: Bill Ayres-I remember his mug shots from Chicago when he was part of the terrorist Weathermen murderous group. He cleaned up his look too-he looks like a straight “suit”, but he is still a murderer-Mr. Guilty as hell, free as a bird. Someday I hope his words come back to haunt him. bob strauss | September 12, 2010 at 12:40 pm | USA Patriot, Nice post. The usurpers tentacles reach deep into our government, and have hijacked our government from the peoples control. The media, and the courts, are obviously in the “tank” for the usurper, and are withholding the truth from people. The media and the courts backing this illegal regime are just as guilty as Obama. What would be their defense? “We didn’t have any idea Obama was not qualified to be president”. “We thought he was born in Hawaii”. “We were fooled”. Give me a break! They are guilty via collusion, but they will probably never be charged with any crime. The American people need to note where the media stands on the eligibility issue because they are not on the side of the Constitution, and the people. They are actually our enemy, and an enemy to the Constitution, otherwise they would be doing some serious research into the eligibility issue instead of covering for the illegal government and the usurper. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 12:42 pm | usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com | September 12, 2010 at 12:28 pm | When are we going to see positive results from the CGJ? ============================================== That is a question that you should ask your local county Grand Jury Foreman. SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 12:58 pm | Good afternoon all. OlsSalt, Great comments on the Congress/Senators ability to open a full investigation. I have a question. Doesn’t a congressional or Senatorial investigation require the approval of the majority contolling the house or senate, whom happen sit at the head of the investigative commitee? I may be highly incorrect and certainly in doubt, reason I asked. I have forgotten the rules and procedures on this. Thanks, Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 1:02 pm | http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-coalition-20100912,0,3603453.story Obama’s electoral coalition is crumbling Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 1:13 pm | Dean M. | September 12, 2010 at 10:35 am | There is no credible evidence that bo was ever a CIA agent. However, I do agree “The Jihadists are using the emblems and institutions of our own civilization against us. It is a most sinister kind of psychologoical warfare.” “A mosque at ground zero is part of the sinister psychological warfare of the Islamists. If America would allow for such a thing after 911, that would be a paramount proof that we are a “shallow” country in the grip of the “trickster” or Devil.” ======================================== Dean M. | September 12, 2010 at 9:57 am | “I beg to differ with you on Obama not passing the security clearance requirements. I believe he worked for the CIA in the 1980s.” ============================================== It is well documented that bo in the 80s was a homosexual, marxist, drug addict student. So what would the Conservatives at the CIA during President Reagan’s adminstration need or want from a reprobate like bo? ARMY D.A.V. | September 12, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Controlled opposition ?, I thought we came to that conclusion months ago , that’s one of the main reasons I stopped watching FOX. Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 1:18 pm | “This is a rebellion like I’ve never seen.” Thank you John Boehner-I’m so glad he is a cool head (not like me)-he is not arrogant like Pelosi and leaving nothing to chance “uphill fight”. I wonder how many former Dems like me will be voting Republican because we are loyal Americans first and the country must restore fiscal responsibility-I saw an economist speaking regarding why hasn’t the recovery started-she said due to all the uncertainty. I agree-most investors will not invest, nor hire until they see something, anything sensible coming out of DC. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2587759/posts Republicans ‘set for big gains’ in November vote AFP on Yahoo ^ | 9/12/10 | AFP Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2010 12:25:56 PM by NormsRevenge WASHINGTON (AFP) – House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner said Sunday that his party is set to make significant gains in November legislative elections, but called regaining control “an uphill fight.” “I think winning the House (of Representatives) is still an uphill fight, but I can tell you that we have great candidates across the country and we have a great opportunity,” Boehner told CBS television’s “Face The Nation.” Boehner declined, however, to give much credit to insurgent “Tea Party” Republicans — who have ousted several established party candidates with anti-incumbent fervor — for his party’s renewed vigor. “The Tea Party folks, Republicans, Independents and for that matter, there are a lot of Democrats that I’ve talked to over the last several months who are going to show up and vote for Republicans this time,” he said. “This is a rebellion like I’ve never seen. I’ve never seen the American people more engaged in their government than what we see right now and I believe that we’re going to have a big chance in November and I’m looking forward to it.” Polls released earlier this week cemented the conventional wisdom that President Barack Obama’s fellow Democrats face a pounding by Republicans in November. The surveys, published after the traditional campaign kick-off date of the Labor Day weekend, suggest voters have soured on Obama, see him as too liberal and are increasingly pessimistic about the sluggish economic recovery. bob strauss | September 12, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Citizen grand juries will only work if our courts are working for truth, justice,and the American people. Right now it appears the courts are working for the usurper, and the illegal Attorney General, appointed by the usurper. We cannot allow the usurper, Obama, to set a precedent, as to the eligibility of future presidents of our country. We must be careful about opening the door on presidential eligibility, or any person on Earth over 35, who lived in America for 14 years, will be eligible to be president. Citizenship doesn’t matter any more, and asking for proof of citizenship will be off limits, because Obama didn’t have to do it and he was president and these things didn’t matter then. Obama’s, eligibility issue, and Obama’s British/Indonesian/Kenyan/American, citizenship, needs to be reviewed by SCOTUS, before a new precedent is set, for eligibility to be president of the USA. If SCOTUS fails to act,the natural born citizen clause, in the Constitution, will be made moot, via deception. Philo-Publius | September 12, 2010 at 1:34 pm | Mexican Gunmen Fire at Border Patrol Agents http://tinyurl.com/2d2m9q4 Philo-Publius | September 12, 2010 at 1:36 pm | US poverty on track to post record gain in 2009 The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is on track for a record increase on President Barack Obama’s watch, with the ranks of working-age poor approaching 1960s levels that led to the national war on poverty. http://tinyurl.com/279eho5 Philo-Publius | September 12, 2010 at 1:42 pm | Michael Moore is weighing in on the proposed Islamic Community Center in New York City, stirring the the pot by saying he doesn’t want it to be built near Ground Zero but rather on Ground Zero. http://tinyurl.com/2u3bbto oldsalt79 | September 12, 2010 at 1:47 pm | Sir William………………………………….. I don’t remember either,but not long ago I read an article that implied that only one formal complaint forwarded through the proper channels is enough to FORCE a full investigation. Notice I said investigation. However given the now RENEGADE NATURE of our (alleged) Congress it is possible and/or even PROBABLE that it would go NOWHERE. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 1:50 pm | bob strauss | September 12, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Citizen grand juries will only work if our courts are working for truth, justice,and the American people. Right now it appears the courts are working for the usurper, and the illegal Attorney General, appointed by the usurper. ======================================= Do not confuse the fed court system controlled by holder and judges appointed by the president with the State Court System which is controlled voters who elect the judges and district attorneys. It is in State Courts that Patriots will prevail against the criminals bo and his local co-conspirators. Crystal | September 12, 2010 at 1:56 pm | I think most posters here understand Glen Beck is a highly paid court jester that is not on the right side of the critical issues. He just about single-handedly took down Debra Medina in the Texas governor primaries. Medina had a chance at getting a run off election against Rick Perry until she went on a radio interview with Beck. He asked her about her 9/11 beliefs and she answered truthfully, and he then proceeded to smear her and then suck up to Rick Perry, suggesting that he would suck face with Rick Perry before voting for Medina. It was blatant to most of us non-gullible Texans that Medina had been taken out of the race, by Glen Beck. Shame, because she was an excellent candidate, just a little green in a political sense. She would make an excellent presidential candidate if that could ever happen, but unlikely. Having said that, I think that as people who read blogs and comments we need to immediately respond to anyone posting that Beck or Palin should on the presidential ticket for 2012. These people are both red herrings. I actually like Palin, but I think she conforms and I think she can be influenced. She was certainly influenced by the $$$$$$ Fox news offered her. She associates with Beck, who I believe is politically TOXIC. If any candidate wants to win over the tea party people, they should stay away from Beck. Beck is so obviously an IDIOT without much brain power. It never ceases to amaze me that anyone listens to him. He dumbs down everyone he talks to. I can’t believe he has any following. He is as false as a three dollar bill. oldsalt79 | September 12, 2010 at 1:58 pm | Bob Strauss………………………………. One thing which really bothers me is should Soetoro successfully make it to the end of his first term without any action against him from either Congress or the SCOTUS, his GOONS will most certainly try to make the public believe that all of the PATRIOTS are WRONG. The DNC will say something like “See we told all of you that he is eligible .Nobody has yet been successful in trying to sue him,so he MUST have been born in Hawaii”. I fear the MORON voters will lap that line of manure right up, and vote him in for a second chance to destroy the country. That is my GREATEST FEAR. AZ-legal citizen | September 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Maybe Beck/Congress etc. are using the Alinsky rule to keep quiet about your true beliefs. There will never be a full investigation until Obama loses the House. Not releasing the Birth Certificate/ School Records/ Passports Records/ State Legislature Records/U.S. Senate Records/ etc. Obama’s mothers passport records before 1965 were destroyed? Blocking court cases? It’s down right embarrassing that any President wouldn’t turn over all his records. Because of the Birthers; many of my friends that voted for Obama are now starting to ask questions about why is he not releasing his records. Evan the ones that believe he was born in Hawaii. I actually think Birthers are becoming the majority. Sept News: Mayor Daley not running again in Chgo, Bill Ayers retiring Univ IL. I’d like to know the real connnection of Obama/ Ayers. The Brinks Robbery was in NY in the 80′s.. Valarie Jarrett’s family connection to Ayers. Eric Holder getting Kathy Boudin(Weather Underground) a pardon from Clinton. Odd how they all turned up in Chgo working with the same people… Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 2:05 pm | ============================================ my criticism of the posters who continually harp on conspiracy theories about ptbs ======================= You can’t even convict Zero of obvious crimes without a LOT of agreement of at least some of the PTBs. If you don’t know what the PTBs are up to or how they think, then you are spinning your wheels. You are relentlessly and repeatedly charging a well fortified hill without so much as a little recon or scouting. GET REAL! Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:24 pm | AZ-legal citizen | September 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm | It is abundently clear that bo conspired with Ayers, NBPP, the Saudi Royal Family and other criminals. Joy | September 12, 2010 at 2:29 pm | Bob Strauss 1:29′ I agree with your post in theory, however all of the Court Systems have been Hi-Jacked with Soros and his money ,all the way up to the Supreme Court. There was a case on the Eligibility Issue that was put on the document and a Court Clerk by the name of Danny Bickel removed it from the docket. The CJG’s at this time are useless as no court will even read and except findings leave off putting them on the Docket to be heard. We have LTC Lakin basically in lock-up at present, although he went through the Chain of Command presenting his case and was ignored, so he went public and the rest is history unless GOD Almighty intervenes. That leaves WE THE PEOPLE to form a March with Millions involved to converge on Washington DC and hold the Govt Hostage until the issue of the Usurper is resolved. It will not be solved at the Ballot Box it will only be solved with the force of WE THE PEOPLE. WE HAVE NO LEGALLY FUNCTIONING GOVERNMENT!!! Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:32 pm | “You can’t even convict Zero of obvious crimes without a LOT of agreement of at least some of the PTBs.” ====================================== Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.” NONSENSE! It only takes 12 Jurors to CONVICT bo and his local co-conspirators in State Court and We the People have over 3000 State Courts to try bo in. The odds are decidedly against bo remaining a free man much longer. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:35 pm | “You can’t even convict Zero of obvious crimes without a LOT of agreement of at least some of the PTBs.” ====================================== NONSENSE! It only takes 12 Jurors to CONVICT bo and his local co-conspirators in State Court and We the People have over 3000 State Courts to try bo in. The odds are decidedly against bo remaining a free man much longer. Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.” Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:39 pm | If the obots weren’t terribly FRIGHTENED by the prospects of State Court Indictments of bo and his local co-conspirators then they wouldn’t get so UPSET by our posts about the POWER of GRAND JURY INDICTMENTS. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:42 pm | http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320 bob strauss | September 12, 2010 at 2:42 pm | CC, hows this for being “Real”? Bookmarks Toolbar Most Visited http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/central/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/ bob strauss | September 12, 2010 at 2:47 pm | CC sorry wrong link. Working on solution. JustMe | September 12, 2010 at 2:55 pm | I applaud you, CW, for posting this email. I applaud the author, as well. My hope is that one day this site will once again become a place where you won’t be bullied by those that remind you at every turn they “know a LOT” for simply asking a question or presenting an “outside the box” theory for consideration that just might help a fellow blogger further their own investigative skills; a more tolerant place to exchange sources, resources, ideas and information that might further us along the path, or perhaps takes us down another path, even one that may go against the “grain,” that would break free the chains of current thought after years of being hypnotized by traditional mediums. This site was a springboard for me to break free the chains. I left after being put in moderation one day for posting information on the media blackout that was going on in this country concerning new scientific, peer reviewed evidence about military grade explosives used to bring down the towers on 9/11. My post was then subsequently deleted with no explanation. I moved on, leaving a few friends I’d made here behind. It was evident “truther” conversations were frowned upon. A poster promptly let me know admitting to being a “truther” on your site was a disgrace to this community, but “birthers” were more than welcome here. She said there was a difference. I didn’t understand their justification given for the distinction between the two, as if one seeking the truth about the birth certificate (NBC) was somehow not as “lowly” as one seeking the truth about the most tragic event ever to take place on American soil and change the course of life as we knew it. It was never officially declared a crime scene; 3,000 people perished and the proper steps taken to investigate it simply didn’t happen. It was quickly cleaned up and shipped out of this country. I heard a speech last year by a fire chief on the explicit rules they are supposed to follow to investigate any fire or explosion resulting from a chemical…like jet fuel. Didn’t happen. They weren’t even allowed to investigate. Why? I remember how I felt the first time I read an “outside the box” article on that tragic day in America’s history. In fact, I clicked on it out of curiosity to see what those “crazy idiots” were saying. Well…after I read it I didn’t think they were so crazy. And, so what’s the big deal about asking for a new independent investigation into that day? We should all be asking for one. That day changed everything not only for America & Americans, but for other countries and their peoples, as well. Rights and freedoms continue to be usurped and eroded as a result of that tragic event. National and International policies have been written based on that event. (Did you know that Canada has their own version of the Patriot Act forced upon them by their government?) Homeland Security/FEMA have since become major players in the landscape of government – growing in size and budget. The list is endless, as are the questions. The answers come from blog site owners, inquisitive bloggers, whistleblowers, historians and investigative journalists that can’t get their books published because the publishing companies are owned by the same folks that own the newspapers and t.v stations and are forced to implement their own blog site as a place to publish their articles. Thus, one medium that remains the biggest threat to those filtering the news – if you want to call it news – is the Internet. And, they are moving quickly, as you know, to shut it down for that reason. In the meantime they are employing bloggers to control the flow of information and moderate “outside of the box” conversations on websites, as well as employing and funding blog sites to post disinformation. The psychological games are endless and the battle is exhausting. A safe haven for those seeking the truth is needed and necessary if we are to continue our quest for the truth for our fellow citizens. Only the truth will set us free. Again, thank you CW and thanks to the author for opening up this conversation and allowing me the opportunity respond. bob strauss | September 12, 2010 at 2:55 pm | theconservativemonster at com/2010/09/05/lucas-smith-sends-copy-of-kenyan-birth-certificate-to-every-member-of-congress SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 2:56 pm | Oldsalt, I believe I know what you may be referring too. Back when V.P. Dick Cheney was gathering the electorials, it would have only taken 1 Senator and 1 congress-person to have objected and thus request a full investigation of bo being qualified for potus. This is discussed in full legal detail with Mario Apuzzo’s law suit with Charles. As for a legal investigation current, I “think” that it requies the house/senate majority (which are the democrats) sitting as the head of the investigative commitee to approve the investigation, otherwise it does not move forward. I believe (and may be wrong, been awhile) that it is for this reason, republicans not being the majority, have such a difficult time investigating, and are now preparing a whale load of investigations to move forward with the anticipation of taking over as the majority, hense will now rule on the comittee after November. That’s all and great, but begs the question, least from my paradigm; after november, when the republicans have a majority on the investigative comittee, how far will they go? Will they finally investigate bo background and histroy? Or will they simply use it – the threat of an investigation – in order to get their way? Of course, neither of us can answser that, but I will say this: having the goods on someone and the ability to blackmail them, is far more powerful than exposing them and riddance. Once exposed with a crime and removed, the opposing person(s) lose all abilty to pawn. It is for this reason, and it truely saddens me, that I do not believe once the republican party wins the majority, they will investigate bo himself. He is worth more as a blackmail, then our own Country and Constitution according to politicans aware. I pray I am wrong. ms. helga | September 12, 2010 at 3:02 pm | Anyone have any news on the rally’s in Wash.,D.C., St. Lewis, and Sacramento today? bob strauss | September 12, 2010 at 3:13 pm | Aren’t we long overdue for an Special Prosecutor, and an investigation, of Obama’s qualifications, to be Constitutional, in regard to the natural born citizen clause? How about just IDing the bastard, so we at least know his real name? Margie | September 12, 2010 at 3:26 pm | We The People..Prosecute all RICO Act. Dean M. | September 12, 2010 at 3:32 pm | Free Speech & Citizen Carlyle =================== On the issue of Obama and my contention for his CIA connection and work, the Glen Beck issue ties into this. No one wants to acknowledge how a patriotic arm of the government could get out of hand. (If you would read Ian Johnson’s book, A MOSQUE IN MUNICH, it might give you some insight.) This includes Glen Beck, O’Reilly and other Conservative spokesmen. They have been told it is their patriotic duty to stay away from the issue of Obama’s records and eligibility by the CIA with the guaruntee by the agency that Obama IS ELIGIBLE–that he worked for “The Company” and lives will be put at risk if there is any compromise of his personal information. “Yes,” they say, “he is a Leftist. Yes, he wants a type of Socialism for America. But he put his life at risk working for the CIA and is a natural born American.” They’ve said the same things to the courts. They’ve classified his personal records to make them unavailable. Obama couldn’t do this on his own. Figure it out. No person could do this on his own. The information would come out somehow. There would be leaks. To be so tightly concealed there would have to be a vast, powerful agency that is able to cover all the bases. Obama worked for BIC, a CIA front, and Dr. Manning in his trial brought out other evidence, to include personal testimony of a former Russian agent. As for clearances, you are right, Carlyle, on the need to know stuff, but believe me, whatever is needed to get the job done is granted. Obama, apparently, was sent to Pakistan when regular non-Muslim Americans were banned from the country. That is where Bin-Laden was operating from and through whom we were sending arms and supplies to the Afghan rebels fighting the Soviets. Obama would have been granted the necessary clearance–whatever was needed–to act as courier and go-between. He wasn’t in Columbia University. He was enrolled and granted credit for his overseas work with “The Company.” So the Conservative spokesmen like Beck have all been told to leave well enough alone. They may oppose Obama on his policies and goals for America, but must leave his past alone. It is classified, they’ve been told, and they trust the CIA as being a patriotic agency doing its duty. So they have to disparage other patriots who question. They are “in the know.” We are not. That gives them a heady feeling along with other elites and leaves us questioning. I personally believe Obama may have been born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen. More evidence has come out to me to wonder if the contention that he is the illegitimate son of Malcolm Little, known as Malcolm-X (Malik Shabazz, his Muslim name)? I thought this was very far-fetched at first. But sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. I believe the truth will eventually come out. The problem with Americans in general and those in government in particular is they do not get the picture with Islam. They think all religions are created equal and the good Muslims are on our side. So if Obama was raised Muslim and worked for us as a Muslim, well and good. But the opposite is true. All religions are not created equal and the good Muslims are not on our side. They may not agree or like what the Jihadists are doing but they sympathize with them. They think they are better Muslims for their sacrifices. As for not getting the picture on Obama, Malcolm X went from Black Muslim to Sunni. Obama, I believe, went from Sunni to Shiite. Shia Islam fits with his Leftwing orientation. It also allows him to dissimulate and pretend, now, to be Christian. He praises Malcolm X in his book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER, for always “re-creating himself.” It is obvious that Malcolm was his spiritual father, if not his actual biological father. Well, I’m not trying to convince anyone. That is just how it looks to me. I believe Beck and all the others who ignore the eligibility issue feel they are doing their patriotic duty as bidden by the government and CIA reps. So they feel it their duty to oppose Obama strictly on his policies and associations now. They want to defeat him at the polls and then let him drift away, resetting everything along more moderate Conservative lines. oldsalt79 | September 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Sir William…………………………………………….. I believe that your last comment is what I might have been thinking of. Yet there is still one more potential force remaining. I personally think that it might not have to be utilised. This is the last resort,and probably not something that everyone has the stomach for, but in 1776 it was all that remained then as well. Thanx to Free Speech I have finally gotten started in re reading our Constitution, and our Declaration of Independence. I am going slowly with it. I was interrupted last week by virtue of a visit to our hospital for a three day intravenous antibiotic feed to combat a really nasty case of infection in my lower leg.(CELLULITIS). Not a whole lot of fun. SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm | Oldsalt, Did CW ever get a chance to sen you my personal email? Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 3:38 pm | Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:32 pm | =========================== You are so full of it. You are just like R A P – you are full of “secrets” you cannot explain to us humble peasants and you want to push us down a dead end path. So you put on a CGJ and produce as many documents as you want. THAT is the EASY part (and as far as I know, there is still not a single CGJ convened along the lines you suggest). The hard part comes next. This is where you have to face the PTBs who have a dramatically different agenda than you or me. I have asked you over and over – for months, now it seems – how you expect that part to work. But you NEVER answer. You thus throw up some general quotes from some expert somewhere that it OUGHT to work. So what? Numerous things tried so far “ought” to have worked, but they didn’t. So you bring us right back to where we already are – no jurisdiction and no standing. Nobody, not even a President, is “above the law”, theoretically. But they are doing a pretty damn good job of that so far, PRACTICALLY. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 3:40 pm | Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 2:39 pm | =========================== I haven’t seen any frightened OBOTS, just laughing ones. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 3:47 pm | The obot arguments against Eligibility Lawsuits and Grand Jury Indictments against bo never cease to amaze. Trying to link Constitutional Patriots with looney “truthers” who claim that President Bush was involved with a 911 conspiracy with the Saudi Terrorists who murdered Americans on 911 is particularly nutty. President Bush made mistakes as all Presidents do, but he is NOT a CRIMINAL like bo who has been proven to be aiding and abetting Foreign and Domestic Terrorists. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 3:54 pm | JustMe | September 12, 2010 at 2:55 pm | ====================== Please read and consider some of the past posts more carefully. Being a “truther” is a disgrace because that term has come to universally mean something rather narrow. Something that has been thoroughly and deeply discredited. To wit: A TRUTHER is someone who ‘knows’ the answer to what happened on 9/11 and it is this: The whole thing was in inside job by Neocons with help from the Israelis. Muslims had nothing to do with it. 99% of all “truther” stuff on the internet is of this ilk. That is why Van Jones got fired. That is why Glenn Beck ridiculed Debra Medina. Now – let’s try again, however. Do we know all the truth about 9/11. No. Is the MSM covering stuff up? Maybe, but probably not – it is unlikely they know the truth. Is the government covering up? Absolutely. At a minimum there are military and government secrets surrounding the events. I mentioned a possibility the other day – maybe one of the airliners FULL OF AMERICAN CITIZENS! was shot down by our own government. The real question with all of that is: Are the secrets legitimate or are they covering illegal or tyrannical activity? Perhaps we will never know. A REAL SEEKER will ask these two questions: 1) do we know all there is to know? and 2) will pressing for more truth do any good? And I don’t mean will it be ‘effective’ in getting the answers. I mean, will any thing positive happen upon learning more secrets? Perhaps you are a REAL SEEKER. Good for you. But if you are one of “them” or have been accidentally sucked into that whirlpool – then it is really difficult to know whether to feel truly sorry for you and hope/pray for your recovery/enlightenment, or to mock you. That is why some of us just want to see the whole subject more or less banned from here. It is off center to what we are trying to do and “old news”. I think we need to focus on the current situation. Assuming you are on the up and up – God Bless You. SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 4:00 pm | OldSalt, I am so very sorry to hear of your hospital visit. I am my family will certainly say a prayer for you tonight at supper time. I too have been away more often than usual. Of course, answering questions at various websites pertaining to my interview with the postemail that brought the story over to their website caught me by surprise. Inclusive in these last several days, I have been building a new deer hunting stand. With deer hunting for Bow opens in less than 2 weeks, I am scrambling to finish the project. Its big, its tall, and damn near capable of handling handicap wheelchair hunters. For now, it is my peace of mind. Currently in the job market, the FOIA Affidavit issues with the State Dept., reviewing Q/A in an attempt to keep the truth up front, but I am blessed. A loving family, beautiful healthy children and at times, I simply need to remind myself to smile from time to time. Not to mention those such as yourself OldSalt, that warm my heart when reading your posts. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 4:04 pm | Dean M., Fiction is stranger than truth when it is extraordinarily bad fiction like your posts. Truth is that bo is a muslim NOT Constitutionally Qualified to be POTUS who usurped the Presidency with fellow criminal conspirators: bill ayers, NPP and the Saudi Royal Family among other Terrorist groups. The facts are bo is a muslim Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 4:04 pm | Dean M. | September 12, 2010 at 3:32 pm | ================================ FS and I are quite different. I do not know if Zero has any CIA connections or not. I remember you making this argument a long time ago over at TD Blog. I don’t remember you being mocked – we were all seekers and learners – but I do remember no one believed you. Somewhere along the way, a bunch of us said, “wow, that crazy DM dude may be right!”. You have steadfastly stuck by your guns and in my opinion the evolving facts make your theory stronger rather than weaker. [PS – FS’s statement about what Zero was doing in the ’80s is absolutely correct, but it is not exclusive of the CIA tapping him for a specific mission(s).] But I still remain sympathetic to the people who say – “But that can’t possibly be true, can it?” I just don’t know. So many questions so few answers. On the clearances, I don’t disagree with you in any fundamental way. But I stick by my statement that the clearances are of different levels, different types, and different focus. A CIA operative will indeed have access to everything he really needs to know to carry out his operation. But to me this is akin to a pilot or even a carrier group commander knowing what they need to know for their mission. It is not the same as knowing a lot of broad-based stuff. Or knowing details about safe houses, bunkers, continuity of government, and other BIG secrets. SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 4:06 pm | FYI, The State Dept. Is to respond to the Chris Strunk FIOA, which included my Affidavit, on 9/16. Let’s see what they say. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 4:08 pm | Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 3:47 pm | The obot arguments against Eligibility Lawsuits and Grand Jury Indictments against bo never cease to amaze. Trying to link Constitutional Patriots with looney “truthers” who claim that President Bush was involved with a 911 conspiracy with the Saudi Terrorists who murdered Americans on 911 is particularly nutty. President Bush made mistakes as all Presidents do, but he is NOT a CRIMINAL like bo who has been proven to be aiding and abetting Foreign and Domestic Terrorists. =============================== Everything you say here is spot on – but I don’t understand the first sentence. It seems to have nothing to do with the rest of your post. Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 4:09 pm | SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 4:06 pm | Thanks for the update. oldsalt79 | September 12, 2010 at 4:15 pm | Dean M………………………………….. You do an admirable job of laying things out in sort of a chronological order if you will. Makes it easy to read and follow. I do have only one argument against your view point. You have failed to adress the millions of us who are fed up to our ears with Barry Soetoro. While he certainly is an excellent orator (when he has his teleprompter.) His one statement that supercedes all of his rhetoric is “I will FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA.” America does not need to be FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED, and as far as I can determine the only people who want it changed are the EXTREME LEFT WHO SEEM TO BE MOSTLY PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER OF SOCIALIST,COMMUNIST,MUSLIM, OR MARXIST BELIEF.There are 330,000,000 million people living in the US, and I am one of them. While I will not try to speak for anyone else,I do believe that there are an awful lot of us around who think that the US is just fine the way it is or perhaps now better said……..WAS. The US done OK in the interim years from 1776, and while it needed a little tweaking from time to time it was never necessary to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE our way of life. In addition I personally resent those who think that they are GOD and have some sort of mandate from GOD to change the WORLD. Interestingly there was a moustached little Austrian who thought that he had a mandate to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE HUMANITY ITSELF. His mandate didn’t come from GOD,it came from within his own depraved little mind, and look what he done to humanity in the process. Further look what it did for HIM. oldsalt79 | September 12, 2010 at 4:30 pm | Sir William ……………………………. I am sure that there will be quite a gathering on CW blog as the trime draws near for the affidavit that you was able to get “HAND DELIVERED,”if you will. I am praying that what you had to say will cause a heavy bolt of lightning to descend from Heaven itself and will cleanse the entire (alleged) US Government. If it can cause a forest fire maybe it will at least cause JOE BIDEN to suddenly expell the rest of his systemic manure. WOW what a pile of SH–. Pleas pardon my CANDOR! Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 4:31 pm | A message for you who just had a V8 Moment that the government lies. I have mentioned several times in the last few days that it is not surprising that the government has secrets or that the CIA does “unusual” and “suspicious” things. A certain level of this is NECESSARY. The conundrum for a constitutional republic is how to “police” this. What is OK and what isn’t? Who is the watchdog? Here is another example about “false flag” operations. I cannot think of a good legal reason to specifically run a false flag operation against your own people – although I admit some of the more lunatic liberals leave one damn tempted. But surprise and misdirection are a FUNDAMENTAL PART of war. Consider a powerful organization who is outside the US that is aligned with your enemy and is in a position to provide aid and succor to your enemy and to impose severe economic or other sanctions against the US. The United Nations comes to mind. Conundrum question of the day: In the time honored tradition of ruse de guerre, is it legitimate for the US to run a False Flag operation to “mess with” the UN? In order to keep it secret as it must be, is it OK to not tell the American People? You see, folks, things are not nearly as clean and simple as some would believe. I am astounded almost daily by yet another Rip Van Winkle who awakes and who stumbles on one of these things and explodes “OMG, the US does/did THAT!?” Can you spell NAIVE? Another naivete involves repeated whiney discussions and air-sucking about “torture”. Torture is clearly bad and illegal by international law (Geneva Conventions). Torture is basically 1) imposing mental or physical pain for the amusement of the perpetrator, retribution, etc., 2) trying to force confusions. The reason we don’t torture is because the first is morally reprehensible and the second is ineffective. Imposing mental or physical pain to extract actionable information is not torture and is a fundamental and NECESSARY part of interrogation. Not “enhanced interrogation”, but any interrogation. In war you do things that would otherwise be illegal or immoral. You kill people without any due process at all, you interrogate people, you capture and lock people up. Get over it! Can you spell NAIVE? Part of the reason this is all relevant and extremely important – Obama and Holder, in particular, are square in the camp of those who make believe war is a civilized parlor game. If they are not stopped, they will DESTROY AMERICA with this foolishness. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 4:04 pm | ========================== All true, and I don’t think Dean M. ever said otherwise. But none of that precludes him being a CIA operative also. SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Here is my 2 cents. I don’t belevie for one moment that bo worked for the CIA. =================================================== I agree there is no credible evidence that bo was a CIA agent. There is plenty of evidence that he is an agent of Foreign and Domestic Terrorists, i.e., Ayers, NBPs, and muslim Terrorists.
  73. SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 4:33 pm |
    Here is my 2 cents.

    I don’t belevie for one moment that bo worked for the CIA.
    ===================================================

    I agree there is no credible evidence that bo was a CIA agent. There is plenty of evidence that he is an agent of Foreign and Domestic Terrorists, i.e., Ayers, NBPs, and muslim Terrorists.

  74. Bankroller @ 5:52
    ” The fact remains: Just because a person may have worked in CIA does NOT automatically mean they are Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.”
    Nor would it mean that any person who served in our military would be permitted to now lead a life of crime-as if in someone’s mind serving allows that person permission to lead a life of crime.

  75. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Bingo HapnHal! That has been and shall continue to be the root problem of Islam, a religion born of and promulgated by persistent generational rejection. Amazing, isn’t it? Apparently, they were compensated by having been given oil rich lands.

  76. JustMe 2:55 PM

    Thus, one medium that remains the biggest threat to those filtering the news – if you want to call it news – is the Internet. And, they are moving quickly, as you know, to shut it down for that reason. In the meantime they are employing bloggers to control the flow of information and moderate “outside of the box” conversations on websites, as well as employing and funding blog sites to post disinformation.
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    You are entitled to your opinion about who caused 9/11, but all of the investigating in the world is NOT going to change anything one iota. I personally believe that the conspiracy theory that has sprung up is largely from the horrific anti-Bush sentiment arising from the 2000 election.

    If one were to truly check the backgrounds of the those who started the “truther” movement (I didn’t say all those who are believers) – I mean those who have instigated doubts – one would find that they are Democrats or others disgruntled with Bush’s policies.

    Now, since this is history, can’t we let it go and concentrate on the things that are “here and now”? While we are still haggling about what happened nine years ago, the ENEMY – the illegal Usurper – and the threat of increasing Muslim dominance – is making great inroads. We argue over the past while THEY concentrate on the present and future. Does that truly make sense?

    Here’s a little homey illustration. I am having a dinner party and have fixed several special dishes. A number of items are in various stages of preparation, one of which is, say, a new vegetable recipe that has gone bad. While I’m worrying over that blunder, chastising myself and trying to decide what to do and how to replace it, the pot roast has boiled dry and the potatoes are getting overdone. While I was concentrating on one thing and deploring what happened, two more are becoming disasters.

    So, while we lament and try to pin down exactly what happened on 9/11, nine years ago, the devil is at work full time trying to enslave us as a nation.
    Let’s get real and practical. Let’s keep our 9/11 views “off the burner” while we concentrate on the present disasters. The former diatribe does absolutely nothing for the latter problems.

    As far as the internet restrictions that are coming our way, do you really think it will be over the 9/11 issue? TPTB are too smart for that. Our voices on these blogs will be silenced because of the threat we are to them re. issues in the here and now.

  77. AZ-legal citizen | September 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm |
    Maybe Beck/Congress etc. are using the Alinsky rule to keep quiet about your true beliefs. There will never be a full investigation until Obama loses the House.
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    This is a possibility, but we will know more after the Nov. elections.

  78. Dean M. 3:32 PM
    ” This includes Glen Beck, O’Reilly and other Conservative spokesmen. They have been told it is their patriotic duty to stay away from the issue of Obama’s records and eligibility by the CIA with the guaruntee by the agency that Obama IS ELIGIBLE–that he worked for “The Company” and lives will be put at risk if there is any compromise of his personal information.”
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    You know, Dean M., I have felt that it IS the CIA thing that has locked up all of the pertinent information; maybe not so much from a security standpoint, but as a good EXCUSE to make to the public at some future date.

  79. Cabby, AZ

    Interesting response. I never gave an opinion on who or what caused 9/11. That was not the intent of my post. I was merely thanking CW and the author of the email he rec’d. I just check in here now and then hoping to see a few old friends posting who were always eager & open to learning more.

  80. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 4:31 pm |
    A message for you who just had a V8 Moment that the government lies.
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    This is such an excellent essay and one needed NOW if ever!! There are many folks who are “Johnny’s Come Lately” to anything much above local politics. Thank God that so many ARE waking up to the serious issues we are facing nationally, so this is not meant in the way of criticism at all.

    It is, just as you have suggested – “Naivete” to think that we citizens should have access to all the secrets which our government has had to have throughout the years. Yes, there have been excesses – Yes, there can be abuses – We are all human beings, for pity sakes, subject to human passions.

    It is up to us, as the voting public, to put into office the most capable, most ethical and moral officials we can find, so that these abuses will be restrained.

  81. Rosemary Woodhouse | September 12, 2010 at 6:03 pm |

    Bingo HapnHal! That has been and shall continue to be the root problem of Islam, a religion born of and promulgated by persistent generational rejection. Amazing, isn’t it? Apparently, they were compensated by having been given oil rich lands.
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    Where do you think those oil rich countries would be economically without oil?

  82. With regard to the subject of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN – unless it can be proved that Øbama was in fact born in Hawaii, then the subject has to remain open.

    First of all what is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN? The Post and Email has had quite a few posts on this very subject and the upshot is that one has to look to the meaning put forward by the founding fathers who used Vattel’s “Law of Nations”. The definition of Natural Born Citizen requires both parents to be citizens when the child is born.

    Second, how does this apply to Øbama? Since the father’s name on the birth certificate is what is accepted legally, by the state, then we all have to accept that Øbama Sr. is the father. This man was not a citizen of the USA. He was a Kenyan, a British citizen with no intention of being an American citizen.

    Since Øbama cannot meet the definition of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN by virtue of the fact that his legal father was Kenyan, then he was not eligible to be considered or placed on the ballot for POTUS.

    This is where there has been one very massive cover up. Another point here is the situation of John McCain who was born overseas, in Panama, to citizen parents. One can argue strongly that his not being born on the soil should have precluded him from consideration on the ballot. However, there is a very important exception. His father was a member of the armed services – the Navy to be precise. As such, when he was overseas representing the Navy in an overseas posting, he should have the same status as a diplomat. John McCain more than likely never had Panamanian citizenship just because he was born there. He always had American citizenship.
    Other areas of confusion relate to the roles of the tiers of govt, as well as the role of the judiciary. This is because of activist judges – they are a curse all around the world. These activist judges have been usurping the power of the Parliament for too long. The Congress or Parliament is supposed to make the laws, and the judiciary is supposed to interpret the law. The SCOTUS is supposed to interpret the law in light of the Constitution (this also applies in Australia with the High Court). Since it is the SCOTUS that should deal with Constitutional questions, then SCOTUS should be dealing with the issue of the definition of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as it applies to eligibility for the Presidency. This is one reason why the questioning of John McCain’s eligibility should have reached the SCOTUS, because of the peculiar circumstances of his birth in Panama.

    That being said, the Congress, or at least the Senate did pass a resolution that specifically addressed the eligibility of John McCain. That resolution did in fact state that the child is to be born of citizen parents. This means that Øbama’s eligibility continues to be questionable. He is not born of citizen parents.

    Third, one needs to define when a minor becomes a citizen. Note I said minor, because in 1961 when Øbama was alleged to have been born, the mother, Ann Dunham, was in fact a minor. She was 18 years old at the time of the birth of her son. The age of majority was 21 at the time. So another question that needs to be answered is whether or not an 18 year old, who under the law is considered a minor, not an adult can in fact confer citizenship upon her child, regardless of whether he or she is born on the soil or not.
    If Øbama was born in Hawaii, then it could be argued that he had American citizenship conferred, however, there is the problem of British citizenship that was conferred by his father. Under the British law it would be the father, not the mother who conferred citizenship.

  83. Free Speech 2:35 PM
    “NONSENSE! It only takes 12 Jurors to CONVICT bo and his local co-conspirators in State Court and We the People have over 3000 State Courts to try bo in. The odds are decidedly against bo remaining a free man much longer.”
    ***********************************
    Free Speech, please don’t jump to conclusions on what I’ m about to say.
    I am NOT attacking the concept of CGJ’s!

    Here is my nagging question (coming from a non-legally trained mind, but an important query):

    Bo has committed crimes – We all are assured of that. Now how can any State bring charges against the President of the U.S.? Doesn’t this fall under the legal jurisdiction of the FEDERAL government? Can’t we all see any local grand jury’s presentments falling flat on their face and dead-ending before it even hit the county or state docket?

    Furthermore, it takes TIME – TIME</b) to even gather evidence and witnesses, etc., to make a case that would hold up in any court. The wheels of justice move slowly. If a case like Lt. Col. Lakin's can't even get justice from a straight shot through the military justice system, how in the world would a group of citizens move anything forward starting at a local court?
    The CGJ concept right now is a" day late and a dollar short", imho.

  84. Oops – goofed – struck ) instead of >, but you get the meaning.

  85. The 64 Trillion Dollar Question – Does BO work for the CIA or does the CIA work for BO???

    BOCIA in Italian means “The Kid”!!!

    “USURPERVILLE” knows the answer.

  86. >>>>oldsalt79 | September 12, 2010 at 11:55 am | I personally am not yet convinced that FOX NEWS is in bed with the Liberals,or Soetoro. I still tend to think that FOXNEWS has been told by Soetoro,or a few of his GOON squad that if they start poking into Soetoro’s past all of the FOX liscensures will be cancelled forthwith. Unfortunately Soetoro IS in a position that will allow him to do it. I am also reasonably sure that it has all been made clear to BECK, HANNITY,Oreilly Bair,and all the others that they WILL NOT explore that territority, ever……<<<<

    CW and Oldsalt,
    NO POSSIBLE WAY!! There is simply no way they could have squashed the research PRIOR to him being POTUS, since Obama had not Executive Power. NO POSSIBLE WAY. We have to think of an group of individuals, whom are capable of instilling fear into everyone, have extreme power, international scope, have computer skills, have trained agents, are capable of misleading the American people and the American government, AND have something to gain by suppressing everything about Obama's past. We are talking about a group that even Congress and the SCOTUS fear, even our military and the joint chiefs, sadly, even George Bush, the former POTUS.

    When you have eliminated all other possibilities, the only thing that remains is the CIA. Obama is a CIA operation, not just a CIA operative. I believe this more and more each day; it explains the lack of information and disinformation, it explains the unguarded border (drugs), it explains the illegal money filtering in for the campaign, it explains the silence. It is the only agency capable of this type of deception on the American People and government, not even the former KGB could pull this off.

    Pete

  87. Peace is the Basic Spirit in Islam
    http://religionofpeace.com/

  88. Cabby – AZ,

    U R wrong. It is odd that you don’t realize that bo can be prosecuted in any State where he and his local co-conspirators committed crimes.

    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-ideas-to-empower-patriots-by.html

    Did you know that any citizen patriot can bring a criminal case against Barrack Hussein Obama in the County in which they reside? You do not have to be an Attorney General to indict a ham sandwich or a Barrack Obama. If a patriot had evidence of a crime committed by the 2008 BO campaign and that patriot presented said evidence to a sympathetic Grand Jury with a charge of conspiracy to commit said crime against Barrack Obama, that patriot could get BO indicted like that proverbial ham sandwich.

  89. Pete | September 12, 2010 at 6:59 pm |
    **********************************************************
    Pete, even a few well placed IRS agents, combined with Holder’s attorneys office, can put the fear of retribution into the hearts of anyone who questions Obama or his regime’s legitimacy.

  90. Free Speech 7:06 PM
    “If a patriot had evidence of a crime committed by the 2008 BO campaign and that patriot presented said evidence to a sympathetic Grand Jury with a charge of conspiracy to commit said crime against Barrack Obama, that patriot could get BO indicted like that proverbial ham sandwich.”
    *******************************
    Thanks for the response, FS, but what you said above clarifies that the crime would have to be committed in connection with the 2008 BO campaign – That would have occurred within a State. Okay, maybe it is possible, but not probable. Who has delved back with any success into the campaign issues? WHO WILL? That is the sixty-four dollar question! Too much time is elapsing and there are way too many subsequent crimes of greater importance. I know, if this had been nipped in the bud at the beginning we wouldn’t be where we are today, but the reality is – it WASN’T nipped in the bud.

    All of the quotes you constantly make regarding the President being subject to criminal action have to do with what happens after he would be constitutionally removed by impeachment.
    THEN he definitely, without question, could be charged with crimes. He could easily vamoose before being tried, however. That is the reality.
    He could be charged NOW, but what citizens’ group would even try it?

  91. I must say that jbjd HAS delved back into the 2008 campaign issues. She HAS done the groundwork, but has anyone subsequently been able to take this information she gathered and successfully done anything with it? That’s the question.

  92. OldSalt,

    You are correct. It does not answer the Columbia University questions. In fact, it does not answer any University questions he attended.

    I will write more on this subject later.

  93. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    CC,
    Regarding you 12:31 post from last night. Thank you for your thoughful reply, as always. I may be at the bottom of my rabbit hole and afraid to turn on the light.

    Question… you keep asking us to think like TPTB. Why not determine who they are and define their end game? This seems like more of aconcrete strategy to counter them than trying to play psychic.

    =============================

    I know WHO the PTBs are, I said that yesterday. I don’t know their end game and do not know how to find out. But I do know a lot (at least some) of what they are doing and how they think.

    Perhaps, again, you are referring to the nefarious Puppet Masters who control Zero – who presumably control a lot of politics in a lot of countries. I don’t know WHO they are. Nor do I know their endgame either. Further I don’t even know approximately how they think.

    Frequent candidates for being these Wizards of Oz include CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergers, Masons, Catholics, “The Jewish Bankers”, and on and on. The thing that makes people suspicious of these organizations is their secrecy or their hoards of unaccounted/undisclosed cash. And then there are more nebulous things like grand ideologies – NWO, Communism, etc. But who are the PEOPLE? Who runs them? Where? Why?

    But I have no clue. Perhaps there is no such group – just a figment of our Conspiracy Theory oriented crazy human brains. Perhaps it is something truly evil and bizarre – like the devil or space aliens. Perhaps there really is a planetary Guardian Elders, of sorts – different than all of the above? Are they benign or evil?

    Some of the possible answers to the above are so profound that it makes anything that we measly everyday humans do as ineffective. So maybe we ought to just back down and let “them” roll over us. Remember the famous phrase (from the Marines, I believe) – “You can run, but you will just die tired”.

    Or maybe THEY are defeatable and we have to scrabble like hell.

  94. This is a comment I posted in April –

    HOLY SMOKES – Did I hear what I just heard on the Chris Matthews Show of NBC ? Yes I did.

    David Ignatius from the Washington Post said tomorrow Norman Panetta, Director of the CIA will gather the troops together and tell them of his NEW FIVE YEAR PLAN!!!.

    FIVE YEAR PLAN – FIVE YEAR PLAN -FIVE YEAR PLAN.

    WHO USED FIVE YEAR PLANS ???

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Five-Year_Plan

    “Panetta plans to pitch employees Monday about his five-year plan for the agency: ”

    Here is the article –

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/23/AR2010042303346.html

    NEED I SAY MORE

  95. One reason the Republican Party evades the eligibility issue.
    **********************
    At: “The Right Side of Life”

    (Near end of article.)

    “The Republican Party has a history of accommodating presidential candidates whose Constitutional eligibility is uncertain.

    * Chester Arthur — America’s first post-1787-born president whose parents were not both U.S. citizens — was a Republican.

    * George Romney ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968. He was born in Mexico.

    * Barry Goldwater was born (in 1909) in Phoenix, when Arizona was still territory, not yet a state.

    * Lowell Weicker entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980 but dropped out before voting in the primaries began. He was born in Paris, France.

    * John McCain was born in Panama, not the Panama Canal Zone as is widely believed. But regardless of whether he was born in the Panama Canal Zone or in Panama itself, he was, in either case, a Panamanian citizen at birth.

    * Bobby Jindal is a possible Republican presidential candidate in 2012. He was born in the United States, but at the time of his birth, his parents were not U.S. citizens. (In a Southern U.S. state, immigrants’ son takes over)

    Given its history of eligibility-questionable presidential candidates, the Republican Party would be accused of hypocrisy if it were to challenge President Obama’s eligibility.”

    http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2010/02/22/eligibility-hi-petition-launched-in-spite-of-introduced-bills/
    ========
    From: “Obama Presidential Eligibility – An Introductory Primer”

    http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm
    **********************
    “Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Admits They’re Evading Eligibility Issue …”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/04/supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas.html

  96. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 12, 2010 at 7:06 pm |

    It is odd that you don’t realize that bo can be prosecuted in any State where he and his local co-conspirators committed crimes.

    ============================

    We all understand this. Quit with this argument already. We know that he CAN be prosecuted, but we do not believe he WILL be prosecuted.

    There’s that ol’ theory vs. practice thing again.

  97. OldSalt,

    Taking a slight bold step here. Here is my email, in open post.

    Williamrichardson10@gmail.com

    I most certainly will have a flood of hate mail now public. But you know what, I can handle that. Many of our founding fathers during the signing our constitution had theirs son’s held in captive with the threat of exectution, which was carrried out in many cases.

    I have nothing to hide, but everything to lose, my Country. So what is an email address compared too?

  98. What I am posting below is Off Topic but I want to get this out to everyone in case you can help out….if you haven’t heard of Rod Class then listen to his private call today and hear what he has discovered and believes if you UNITE and get hundreds of thousands of signatures on his document he is filing then we may be on our way to getting our country back…..please listen and then go to his website for further information……

    http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=396341&cmd=apop

    Please pass this information on from Rod Class….he needs and deserves our help……found at…..

    http://www.rayservers.com/blog/new-coast-guard-filing-with-five-exhibits-a-e

    When sending back the indictment form to Rod Class, please also include a donation / gift to help with the costs of sending this to the coast guard and to the Attorney General’s office. The indictment is part of, and at the end of, the new coast guard filing labeled with the date of 9.2010…

    RAP grand juries…get this out to all of the rap grand juries. the foreman should fill out your state and have each jury member sign their names on the indictment form.

    County Assemblies…get this out to assembly members. Fill out your state and have each member sign their names on the indictment form.

    To those groups who are not grand juries or assembly members…have your group sign your state and names on the lines on the indictment form.

    People, I would like to have over 200,000 names on this indictment to turn in. we do not have weeks or months to do this…we have only have days.

    I need your help to send a message for the people in the name of the people.

    THANKS,

    ROD CLASS
    P O Box 435, High Shoals, NC 28077

    11th amendment document Ohio AG.pdf

    UPDATED – 9.8.10 NEW COAST GUARD FILING WITH BILL OF INDICTMENT.doc

    Andrew Johnson veto reconstrction act.doc

    Chap CLIII..An Act to Provide More Efficient Govt.doc

    Cong_Record- WITH VOL COVER June13,1967-citizen_is_dead[1].pdf

    PAG PDF.zip

  99. THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE A RACKET THAT WON’T QUIT. THEY HAVE SOLD THEIR SOULS. A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES.

  100. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ | September 12, 2010 at 6:07 pm |

    ==================================

    A lot of good stuff in your essay. But I wanted to focus on the Internet comments, if I may.

    This morning on Fox News Sunday, one of the panel members decided to dump on the Internet. Personally, I like to call it a “cesspool of disinformation” that requires me to check and recheck and seek multiple sources for everything and question the credibility of everything.

    But where she was going was in a little bit different direction, more in terms of: “all the information is the same”, no balance, no priority, and no proportion. Of course she said this looking down her nose like the Power Elite she thinks she is. But she is absolutely right. Many commenters here have yet to learn that.

    The journalist in question is quite senior, has a stellar reputation among peers, a strong education, and lots of experience. So, aside from being haughty, she is right. One of her jobs ought to be to dredge through the news sources including the Internet and distill for us what we need to know. None of us have the time or resources for that (presumably this is her full time job, and she probably has a big staff). And even fewer of us are qualified.

    But with all that power comes great responsibility. It is not that we don’t recognize that this needs to be done. It is not that we don’t accept that they are more qualified to do it. IT IS BECAUSE WE DON’T TRUST THEM. They have shirked (even pizzed on) their responsibility and let their political views poison their ability to be legitimate news gatherers and aggregators.

    If we ever did trust them at all, that went away when they decided to bury the biggest news item in the last 200 years. Talk about balance, priority, and proportion! They pretty much hammered the wooden stake through their own hearts.

  101. With regard to the CIA… I honestly do not know the answer to that one… however, what I do think is that Øbama has strong ties to the Soviet Union.

    First and foremost Øbama is a Marxist. Most of you dismiss his Marxism. Some of you do in fact get the connection, especially his connection to William Ayers. However, you need to look beyond William Ayers and the Weather Underground. You need to look at who are the members of his cabinet. Who are the czars in his shadow government? One name pops up – Bzrenski (sp). He is the father of that rather silly Mika B. That man is an out and out Marxist. Has anyone researched his ties to the Soviet Union?

    Øbama has a long history with this man Bzrenski. It goes back to his days at Columbia University. I have seen some fresh information that places Øbama at Columbia, not in classes, but with involvement with the anti-South African Rugby team rallies. That information pointed to the involvement of William Ayers, Bernadine Dorhn and their followers in an explosion that occurred at a sports venue. The information also places Bernadine Dorhn with involvement in the Brinks hold-ups.

    All along it seems that someone has been pulling strings. Not all of the strings are being pulled by Soros. So who are the other puppeteers? Let’s start with the Ford Foundation. Is it true that the Ford Foundation was a front for the CIA? I have no idea. If it was true, then why was a Marxist like Stanley Ann Dunham being employed by the Ford Foundation?

    Another probable puppeteer is David Rockefeller. He is a very powerful man, and he is the one who helped Jimmah Carter, the worst white President evah, to become POTUS. David Rockefeller has possible links to the Dunham family via Madelyne Dunham’s parents, who owned land adjoined to an oil field that belonged to Rockefeller.

    However there are other puppeteers in the picture – these are the real backers, the financiers from the Middle East. Let’s begin with Auchi. Who are Auchi’s backers? Guess what we keep returning to Iraq and Iran. Funny how that happens.

    The Soviets remain backers of the Iranian regime. When the grandpoohbah thought that his jig was up, he had his planes ready to fly him and his family to the Soviet Union. The Soviets are continuing all of their covert actions. Vladmir Putin was ex-KGB, and not just a KBG agent either. He was in charge.

    Has it ever crossed your mind that Øbama is in fact a KGB agent rather than CIA? Look more closely at his connections to people involved as Marxists and who are pro-Soviet Union.

  102. CC,
    Afraid I have been hit and miss at CW’s this weekend. I split my time between the Land of OZ and the world of the bleacher Mom.

    Given the two options you put forth… lets scramble like hell. No personal attacks, no low blows, no passing judgement. In that spirit, why do you call George Bush a patriot? Btw, I do accept that “secrets” must be kept for the safety of all BUT… I think the gig was up when they swore in a Kenyan president.

  103. GORDO | September 12, 2010 at 7:42 pm |

    * Bobby Jindal is a possible Republican presidential candidate in 2012. He was born in the United States, but at the time of his birth, his parents were not U.S. citizens. (In a Southern U.S. state, immigrants’ son takes over)
    _______________________________________________
    They are not going to run him. They have still kept silence of the brutal beating and stomping of one of his female workers in New Orleans, when the Republicans had a shidig their. I wouldn’t go to New Orleans for anything.THUGS

  104. Thanks for the response, FS, but what you said above clarifies that the crime would have to be committed in connection with the 2008 BO campaign – That would have occurred within a State.

    Cabby,

    Still plenty of time to prosecute bo in multiple State Courts. Many of his campaign workers have been indicted. There is plenty criminal information for indictments of bo in multiple States.

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

  105. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ | September 12, 2010 at 6:30 pm |

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 4:31 pm |
    A message for you who just had a V8 Moment that the government lies.
    ******************************
    This is such an excellent essay and one needed NOW if ever!!

    ======================================

    In my experience more than 90% of the people who are “recently awakened” – particularly in the last 10 years – are both suckered by Bush Derangement Syndrome and are clueless and naive about what it takes to run and government and a military on a hostile round world.

    That is one reason I brought up “torture”. What do/did these people think we do/did when we interrogating hostile soldiers working against us? Sit them down in a nice cozy living room, give them tea and biscuits, and have a polite conversation?

    Another good example – an 18-year old new recruit on the battlefield is fully authorized to kill an enemy on sight without any “rights”, “due process” or anything. But if he accidentally misses by 2″ and the guy doesn’t die – he has to read him his Miranda rights? And if the guy is mobile enough that when he is taken to the compound he kicks and screams and threatens and calls people unholy names and brags about skinning your friends alive and spits at people and claws and digs – and you Popeye the guy – POW – it is an international incident?

    I can’t speak for the military – I’ll let my other buddies here do that – I don’t know the secret ROEs or what the current doctrine is – but I am heavily involved in Personal Protection, and Firearms, and by association, domestic suppression of hostiles. I know what the CORRECT ROE is. You clear a house of enemies that are firing RPGs and automatic weapons at you and all becomes quiet. You have to approach the house with care according to your training, and when you enter the house, they all APPEAR dead, and there are holes in them and blood all over the floor.

    What do you do:

    1. Call allclear and invite in the medics?

    2. Carefully turn each one over to see if he is dead?

    3. Systematically put a bullet into the back of the head of each one, just to make sure, before proceeding any further.

    Do you think any wacko liberals will get the right answer? Their heads would explode if they even read the right answer. War is hell.

  106. Pete, Prairie, et al

    thought you may find this Peter Dale Scott video of interest.

  107. Free Speech @ 7:06 pm | “statute of limitations never runs out on murder”
    other than Donald Young I wonder how many other unsolved murders/cold cases South Side of Chicago might be traced back to Obama/minions. If he didn’t perform the hit outright he may have directed it-conspiracy. The only thing I wonder about would be the count, and I’ll bet a dime to a donut the Chicago Mob knows all. I don’t think Obama would be involved with the Chicago Mob, he’s too stupid and they think of guys like him as catnip.

  108. Has it ever crossed your mind that Øbama is in fact a KGB agent rather than CIA? Look more closely at his connections to people involved as Marxists and who are pro-Soviet Union.
    ===========================================
    I was going to post the same info but you beat me to it.

    Yes, it is plausible with all his communist ties (mother, father, grandparents, Frank, Ayers etc) that bo was or is a KGB agent.

  109. Cabby AZ,

    I can attest that nothing in the State of Tennessee has been done. However, I would like to pass the baton to you in your own State. I have been in touch with your Rep. Judy Burges pertaining to the Ammendment of
    Senate bill 1024.

    I have given my personal email for contact above. I will inform and get you up to speed on the bill and her soon to come intent, as well as how you can help.

  110. If the Republicans are smart they will not try to win the house and senate. For those of you who watched yesterday’s history channel replay of the 911 attack in new york city and saw the collapse of both towers in a matter of a few minutes, you will realize this is what is about to happen here financially. WHO THE HELL wants to be in power when that happens?

  111. Aussie | September 12, 2010 at 8:06 pm |
    With regard to the CIA… I honestly do not know the answer to that one… however, what I do think is that Øbama has strong ties to the Soviet Union.

    First and foremost Øbama is a Marxist. Most of you dismiss his Marxism. Some of you do in fact get the connection, especially his connection to William Ayers. However, you need to look beyond William Ayers and the Weather Underground. You need to look at who are the members of his cabinet. Who are the czars in his shadow government? One name pops up – Bzrenski (sp). He is the father of that rather silly Mika B. That man is an out and out Marxist. Has anyone researched his ties to the Soviet Union?

    Øbama has a long history with this man Bzrenski. It goes back to his days at Columbia University. I have seen some fresh information that places Øbama at Columbia, not in classes, but with involvement with the anti-South African Rugby team rallies. That information pointed to the involvement of William Ayers, Bernadine Dorhn and their followers in an explosion that occurred at a sports venue. The information also places Bernadine Dorhn with involvement in the Brinks hold-ups.

    All along it seems that someone has been pulling strings. Not all of the strings are being pulled by Soros. So who are the other puppeteers? Let’s start with the Ford Foundation. Is it true that the Ford Foundation was a front for the CIA? I have no idea. If it was true, then why was a Marxist like Stanley Ann Dunham being employed by the Ford Foundation?

    Another probable puppeteer is David Rockefeller. He is a very powerful man, and he is the one who helped Jimmah Carter, the worst white President evah, to become POTUS. David Rockefeller has possible links to the Dunham family via Madelyne Dunham’s parents, who owned land adjoined to an oil field that belonged to Rockefeller.

    However there are other puppeteers in the picture – these are the real backers, the financiers from the Middle East. Let’s begin with Auchi. Who are Auchi’s backers? Guess what we keep returning to Iraq and Iran. Funny how that happens.

    The Soviets remain backers of the Iranian regime. When the grandpoohbah thought that his jig was up, he had his planes ready to fly him and his family to the Soviet Union. The Soviets are continuing all of their covert actions. Vladmir Putin was ex-KGB, and not just a KBG agent either. He was in charge.

    Has it ever crossed your mind that Øbama is in fact a KGB agent rather than CIA? Look more closely at his connections to people involved as Marxists and who are pro-Soviet Union.

    =========================================
    EXCELLENT POST!

  112. Interesting new fall line up show called The Event. NBC has info and the trailers are up on youtube.

    The President is black born in Miami to Cuban refugees. Do not know if the parents became citizens or not. Is this a way to get born on US soil into the mainstream without the two citizen parent requirement?

    http://www.nbc.com/the-event/about/president-martinez/

  113. This was in my email this after noon. From now on I am going to start collecting these tid bits of information that reveal Muslim’s real purpose for being in America and the taquiya they devouotly practice.
    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    Sign in Houston Mall
    IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS.
    READ CAREFULLY………..
    In Houston, Texas Harwin Central Mall: The very first store that you come to when you walk from the lobby of the building into the shopping area
    Had this sign posted on their door.

    The shop is run by Muslims.
    “We will be closed on Friday, September 11, 2009 to commemorate
    The martyrdom of Imam Ali”
    Imam Ali flew one of the planes into the twin towers.

    Feel free to share this with others.
    Nice huh?
    Try telling me we’re not in a Religious war with Islam. THIS HAS NOT BEEN AROUND….SO MAKE SURE IT GOES!

  114. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm |

    why do you call George Bush a patriot?

    =========================

    Why not?

    First, let’s have some perspective. I don’t think I have liked or agreed with any president in my lifetime. Except maybe Eisenhower, but I was too young. And Reagan was the best.

    But it is all a matter of perspective. At a grand scale we have the swing of the liberal conservative pendulum. I like conservatives better than liberals, although I tend more toward libertarianism and constitutionalism. In the end, conservatives are just more practical. They understand the difference between some wild-eyed academic or feel-good theory and what will actually work. Especially as regards economy.

    (You may remember I have also said that Zero was no ordinary swing of the pendulum. He is something entirely different. Entirely outside the margins of American politics for at least the last 100 years.)

    So, let’s go back to GWB. He was just another swing of the pendulum. He was a pretty average president, not particularly good, not particularly bad. He was a doofus and a dweeb, but so what. More endearing and humanizing than anything else. Perhaps the most critical thing to remember is that both of his presidential opponents, while not as evil as Zero, surely bordered on remarkable degeneracy. Gore and Kerry are some of the most self-centered disloyal full of sh-t candidates EVER. GWB is the best president ever when compared to either of these. Both of these two guys are roughly in the “same universe” as Pelosi and Reid. So in comparison GWB is a mega patriot.

    GWB was true blue American all the way to the core. That goes a long way to making one “patriotic”. He understood the military and what they were good for and how to use them and how to command them. They respected him. They did not respect Clinton or Carter, and CERTAINLY not Zero. That gets a “patriotic” point or two. Even when making mistakes, you always got the feeling he was trying his damndest to do the right thing by America. Never once did I ever think he was undermining America.

    It’s like watching a football game. It is pretty easy to tell if the quarterback or halfback mistakes are honest mistakes or not. If he is being a team player or not or just working on his own stats. GWB was “in the game” at all times.

    He correctly identified our enemy and took it to the enemy. He kept us safe for his entire term, except for the left-over bit at the beginning which I assign to Clinton.

    No liberal – especially one consumed with Bush Derangement Syndrome is ever going to believe this. But I don’t consider such Americans very patriotic, on the average, anyway. Which I guess is my final point. If the asshole fringe of Americans are consumed with irrational hate for someone, maybe that alone says the object of their ire is PATRIOTIC.

    And you need to read the answer I wrote yesterday to a question: “but I’m at a loss as to why our kids are now on their 5th tour”. There is a good answer to that question, and it sheds light on patriotism. Patriots DO war when needed, they don’t PLAY silly games and call it war, or claim such half-hearted efforts are in the best interests of America. Patriot civilian leaders have the will to win – not stalemate, but win and victory, they never get tired and run down and turn away from a war. They NEVER turn tail.

    In the end, if you have the character and attitude and thoughts and actions of our earliest patriots, I think that makes you a PATRIOT. If not, not.

    You didn’t like GWB very much? So what? I didn’t like WJC very much. Whether or not you like someone is no prima facie reason to deny they are Patriots. Zero is not a patriot of any kind, Carter is not a patriot of any kind. Clinton is sort of half and half – he had his moments, but not consistent. Reagan definitely a patriot. Nixon even despite his errors was largely a patriot. GWB – not perfect, but definitely out on the positive end of the patriot spectrum somewhere.

  115. Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 8:21 pm |
    Free Speech @ 7:06 pm | “statute of limitations never runs out on murder”
    other than Donald Young I wonder how many other unsolved murders/cold cases South Side of Chicago might be traced back to Obama/minions.
    ====================================================
    No Statute of Limitations on Treason either.

  116. Jacqlyn,

    Thanks for the OT update.

    What ever happened to that RAP person that you guys claimed was the new President, announcing your new 50 Governors, Senators and Reps?

    He was in Control of over 3 trillion dollars of U.S. banking money and was to put a halt to all foreclosures ASAP as of 3 months ago, having such control? Also, Tim was suppose have the entire Millatary backing him for complete overthrow and would set him as the temp. President. Did the entire military back out? Or did he run into another stumbling block, but tomorrow he will be in the WH…?

    Just a question.

  117. Free Speech @ 8:49 pm | Oh good, wouldn’t be lovely to get him on everything-
    The first time I read about Simon Wiesenthal the Nazi Hunter I knew he was my kind of guy, we will hunt you down until you face justice.
    The Simon Wiesenthal Center is an international Jewish human rights organization dedicated to repairing the world one step at a time.
    Simon Wiesenthal, a survivor of the Nazi death camps, dedicated his life to documenting the crimes of the Holocaust and to hunting down the perpetrators

  118. SirWilliam | September 12, 2010 at 8:50 pm |

    Jacqlyn,

    What ever happened to that RAP person that you guys claimed was the new President, announcing your new 50 Governors, Senators and Reps?

    He was in Control of over 3 trillion dollars of U.S. banking money and was to put a halt to all foreclosures ASAP as of 3 months ago, having such control? Also, Tim was suppose have the entire Millatary backing him for complete overthrow and would set him as the temp. President. Did the entire military back out? Or did he run into another stumbling block, but tomorrow he will be in the WH…?

    Just a question.

    =================================================
    LOL!

  119. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    ms. helga | September 12, 2010 at 7:57 pm |

    THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE A RACKET THAT WON’T QUIT. THEY HAVE SOLD THEIR SOULS. A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES.

    =============================

    I do not disagree with this. But given a choice, I generally prefer Republicans. But I think the issue is bigger. A house-cleaning and a re-staffing won’t work. At least not for long. The “party system” is self-corrupting.

    Everybody needs to re-read George Washington’s Farewell Address at least every time before they vote. He explained – in detail – everything we see today. Quite a prophet that man. Or maybe it was just common sense?

  120. Aussie says (8:06 PM)
    Has it ever crossed your mind that Øbama is in fact a KGB agent rather than CIA? Look more closely at his connections to people involved as Marxists and who are pro-Soviet Union.
    ===========================================
    Free Speech says ( 8:28 PM)
    I was going to post the same info but you beat me to it.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Yes, I also have thought of that as a possibility. There is absolutely no question, Øbama is a Marxist. But what else is he? We believe he is a Muslim – He has said so, in so many words. He pleads their case. What else? He’s an imposter – a usurper – a liar, and on and on. As Michelle so often refers to him – He is nothing but a South Side Chicago thug, or something similar.

    This entire matter is stranger than fiction. Try this one on for size (I don’t know whether I really believe this, or not): He IS being shielded by the CIA but not really because of security reasons. Rather, it makes a good excuse for TPTB not to get into the messy past. Maybe he is now an operative for the KGB, but was originally under the CIA.

    Whatever he truly is, one thing that has been said over and over again here by many posters: THIS ONE IS A TREMENDOUS THREAT TO OUR COUNTRY’S SECURITY.

    He must be removed as quickly as possible. There is no time to waste. If a boat were sinking, all on board would be engaged in various ways to save it and themselves. Aren’t we all here trying to do just that?

  121. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    my previous post on this topic got sent to moderation, I am purposefully mispelling a couple of words to see if they offended the censor.

    Prairie | September 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm |

    why do you call George Bush a patriot?

    =========================

    Why not?

    First, let’s have some perspective. I don’t think I have liked or agreed with any president in my lifetime. Except maybe Eisenhower, but I was too young. And Reagan was the best.

    But it is all a matter of perspective. At a grand scale we have the swing of the liberal conservative pendulum. I like conservatives better than liberals, although I tend more toward libertarianism and constitutionalism. In the end, conservatives are just more practical. They understand the difference between some wild-eyed academic or feel-good theory and what will actually work. Especially as regards economy.

    (You may remember I have also said that Zero was no ordinary swing of the pendulum. He is something entirely different. Entirely outside the margins of American politics for at least the last 100 years.)

    So, let’s go back to GWB. He was just another swing of the pendulum. He was a pretty average president, not particularly good, not particularly bad. He was a doofus and a dweeb, but so what. More endearing and humanizing than anything else. Perhaps the most critical thing to remember is that both of his presidential opponents, while not as evil as Zero, surely bordered on remarkable degeneracy. Gore and Kerry are some of the most self-centered disloyal FOS candidates EVER. GWB is the best president ever when compared to either of these. Both of these two guys are roughly in the “same universe” as Pelosi and Reid. So in comparison GWB is a mega patriot.

    GWB was true blue American all the way to the core. That goes a long way to making one “patriotic”. He understood the military and what they were good for and how to use them and how to command them. They respected him. They did not respect Clinton or Carter, and CERTAINLY not Zero. That gets a “patriotic” point or two. Even when making mistakes, you always got the feeling he was trying his damndest to do the right thing by America. Never once did I ever think he was undermining America.

    It’s like watching a football game. It is pretty easy to tell if the quarterback or halfback mistakes are honest mistakes or not. If he is being a team player or not or just working on his own stats. GWB was “in the game” at all times.

    He correctly identified our enemy and took it to the enemy. He kept us safe for his entire term, except for the left-over bit at the beginning which I assign to Clinton.

    No liberal – especially one consumed with Bush Derangement Syndrome is ever going to believe this. But I don’t consider such Americans very patriotic, on the average, anyway. Which I guess is my final point. If the azzhole fringe of Americans are consumed with irrational hate for someone, maybe that alone says the object of their ire is PATRIOTIC.

    And you need to read the answer I wrote yesterday to a question: “but I’m at a loss as to why our kids are now on their 5th tour”. There is a good answer to that question, and it sheds light on patriotism. Patriots DO war when needed, they don’t PLAY silly games and call it war, or claim such half-hearted efforts are in the best interests of America. Patriot civilian leaders have the will to win – not stalemate, but win and victory, they never get tired and run down and turn away from a war. They NEVER tuck tail.

    In the end, if you have the character and attitude and thoughts and actions of our earliest patriots, I think that makes you a PATRIOT. If not, not.

    You didn’t like GWB very much? So what? I didn’t like WJC very much. Whether or not you like someone is no prima facie reason to deny they are Patriots. Zero is not a patriot of any kind, Carter is not a patriot of any kind. Clinton is sort of half and half – he had his moments, but not consistent. Reagan definitely a patriot. Nixon even despite his errors was largely a patriot. GWB – not perfect, but definitely out on the positive end of the patriot spectrum somewhere.

  122. Tea Party-the national news is actually starting to mention our existence-amazing. Tea Party has the best ads.
    http://lucianne.com/article/?pageid=can_you_hear_us_now
    Can you hear us now? with Herman Cain

  123. This is a salute to more hero’s of 9/11 our search and rescue dogs.
    http://lucianne.com/article/?pageid=what_a_good_dog

  124. I could be wrong, but there appears to be a lot of anti-Obama/Pro-Hillary posters hitting the blogs en masse trying to change the course of the debate. Good night all. We appear to be in a holding pattern with no new news to share. Round and round and round we go.

  125. It is known that some people who work in the CIA (USA Intelligence) have offered themselves to work as covert KGB agents. Also, it is known that some KGB agents have offered themselves to work in the CIA as covert CIA agents. These kinds of people do this to get the “inside” view of what inside information and secrets they can gain in foreign government intelligence about many different subjects and persons in a region and about the Military weapons, inventions, and the Military & National Security of a foreign government.

  126. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 12, 2010 at 9:09 pm |
    Prairie | September 12, 2010 at 8:09 pm |

    why do you call George Bush a patriot?

    =========================
    Why not?
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    CC, your response was thorough and satisfying. Thank you, and I believe GWB would also agree with much of your post. I mean, he would agree with not just the more flattering things, but all of it. He is that kind of guy, imho.

    Who among us would want the responsibilities of being President of the USA, especially during the last 70 years? Our country has not had an easy row. Freedom is not free – it has cost us dearly. I’m not referring to dollars, but to the loss of the lives of our finest young men.

    We take the office of President too lightly at times, I think. Then again, we really take it seriously when we see it abused and denigrated by Ø as we have these many months. That is what grieves us!

  127. Starla | September 12, 2010 at 9:58 pm |
    It is known that some people who work in the CIA (USA Intelligence) have offered themselves to work as covert KGB agents. Also, it is known that some KGB agents have offered themselves to work in the CIA as covert CIA agents.
    ************************
    Good information, and that is true, from my limited knowledge.

  128. Rosemary Woodhouse

    @ Bob Strauss- September 12, 2010 at 6:31 pm |
    Where would they be economically? Living as if they were in the 9th century in accordance with their ideology.

    FWIW, the KGB angle is a heck of lot more plausible than CIA. If it looks like a snake, and acts like a snake…in addition to hissing like a snake as Zero does with those sibilant “ssssssses”… why do a DNA analysis? Sometimes, the rabbit hole goes so deep that one can get terribly lost. And oftentimes, the most obvious answer is, indeed, the correct one.

  129. CC,
    I voted for Bush twice. I really liked him. Kept waiting for him to act and stop the coming Constitutional crisis that loomed with o’s inaugeration. Bush handed him the keys to the front door of the White House. He did it with a smile, too. Patriot? Your answer was filled with the propoganda I hear from Hannity. Do you have an honest answer? Perhaps there is more to it and it is above my pay grade to know.

  130. Interesting article especially after all the talk of the CIA, KGB and Islam…
    Exclusive: Are the CIA and U.S. State Department Supporting a New Islamic World Order? (Part One
    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.6071/pub_detail.asp

  131. @CabbyAZ, before I go out for a little while….

    I sent you a response on another thread regarding my activities over the past month or so, but it got sent to moderation hell.

    Australia had a general election. It resulted in a hung parliament. The whole story is messy because it begins with the former Prime Minister being stabbed in the back, for the sake of power. The woman who is now the Prime Minister, is a Marxist. Anyway, I was watching the electioneering and the election results unfold.

    Then a few weeks ago we flew to Melbourne to attend my sister’s 60th birthday party. I learned that my niece had her baby, he is premature with lung problems. Then we spent time with our son and DIL who are preparing to move into their new home. We had a look at the house from the outside only :(.

    There will be fun and games in Australia until we go to a new election. The new govt is quite unstable, and too much power has been given to the watermelons aka the Green Party. It is far from good news, but it is better that it be this way, than for Tony Abbott to be handed such a poisoned chalice.

  132. @tennbrock,
    a few months I saw something on Drudge that had me quit shocked. It was a coin that was to be issued for the NWO. It had something to do with Putin. I just remember that I was shocked when I saw the picture on Drudge.

    I have never been a real believer in NWO, but right now I do feel that there is some kind of NWO conspiracy that is larger than all of us, and that the extreme left are using the Islamists as a means for them to seize power.

  133. totally agree that beck is bought and paid for. entertainer. he’s not interested in the whole truth cause he’d be out of a job

  134. >>>Aussie: Has it ever crossed your mind that Øbama is in fact a KGB agent rather than CIA? Look more closely at his connections to people involved as Marxists and who are pro-Soviet Union<<<

    Aussie,
    It's SO OBVIOUS that he is Marxist and connected to the KGB, there is NO POSSIBLE way the CIA would have not 'outed' him if he were KGB. The KGB, has no reason to 'out' Obama, as they could always blackmail him easier. In other words, I considered this at length, but his mothers connections to the Ford Foundation, multiple SS numbers, various names and houses, all point to CIA.

    Pete

  135. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Re: Beck- While I understand the premise of “controlled opposition”, it makes no sense vis-a-vis Beck because the public, for the most part, was sound asleep. Had Beck not broached most topics, the populace at large would have had NO idea what was happening and although Zero has accomplished a lot at warp speed, imagine how much more could have been accomplished if Beck didn’t sound the clarion call.

    I believe he has been told by his bosses to back off from the eligibility issue as well as soft pedal the Islamic “problem”, but “controlled opposition”? Um, no.

  136. Prairie | September 12, 2010 at 10:13 pm |
    Your dead on right about Bush , he did support the troops for his own agendas and at the same time mistreated all the veterans and did everything possible to screw up their benefits .

    Voted twice for Bush , lesser of two evils ,Bush , just as illegitimate as Seotoro .

  137. Joy | September 12, 2010 at 2:29 pm |

    I agree. WE could get o. removed if we all united behind that effort.

  138. Besides tesn of millions marching,
    millions upon millions also calling the media every minute of everyday, ignoring every other issue, and demanding o. be put on trial, telling the media that we KNOW everyone knows o., is ineligible. Enough game playing. We want him in jail.

    millions calling/faxing/emailing EVERY elected and appointed official in every state and federal office everyday — and TELLING them o. has to GO,

    millions stopping ALL political contributions to EVERY public official and diverting all funds to the efforts to expose and indict o. and his hench people until o. is OUT.

    Republicans are covering up the info about o. for THEIR ends, not ours. WE ALL tell BOTH parties that o. has to GO, right now.

    We have to etop expecting our “leaders” to do what is right by us. They haven’t and they don’t intend to, unless we the people power up and get the job done ourselves.

  139. Open Letter to the Enemies of America

    A warning to those who seek the destruction of America, whether within our Country or without. You haven’t a chance of prevailing. This Country was Founded by God-Fearing people who have eventually overwhelmed every enemy that has underestimated us. Ask the most powerful Kingdom on earth at the time, Great Britain, who we soundly defeated twice. They have since learned that being our friend eventually saved their isle from total destruction by the Nazis. We prevailed in a great civil war over the South, who felt they must continue to enslave millions of people, all of whom became Citizens and whose Afro-American ancestors have made America one of the most productive and exciting lands to live in. Those who call us racist are racist themselves. Our forefathers made the ultimate sacrifice to free the slaves and in no other country are so races and religions welcomed and encouraged to pursue happiness as promised in our Declaration. We prevailed simultaneously over two of the world’s largest and best armed dynasties in WWII. Without the commitment and sacrifice of millions of Americans, most the world would have become subject to brutal tyrannies of Japan and Germany. More recently, we brought the largest power in the world next to us, the USSR, to its knees, not by firing a shot, but by destroying them economically. We have fought for freedom and liberty for all peoples throughout the world, but unlike other world powers, never took over these countries and subjugated their peoples. There is no power on earth that can prevail over America. Those who hate us, burn our flag, teach their children to kill Americans, and seek to destroy liberty and freedom, will be held to account. No power has ever, nor will ever, overcome this great Nation. Go ahead and try. As a character in a noted American movie once said when confronted with evil, “Go ahead, make my day!” We dare you. God has already written this story and America will prevail against the forces of evil, from where ever they arise. And after we defeat you, we will do our best to restore your land and your peoples, as we have done for centuries.

  140. Bill G @ 11:39 pm | Perfect essay re: our enemies both foreign and domestic. There is something in the American DNA that despises tyrants, despots, liars, cheats and sneaks. If you are not with US, you must me against US. “In God we Trust”.

  141. btw, I conclude we have one major political party right now: The Traitors and Shirkers United Party. Every member has united in a felonious cover-up of aka obama’s criminal activity and perjured themselves to hide the facts from the citizens of our country.

    That many might believe the old “you must violate your sworn oath and lie to the people for the good of the country — for the people’s own good” dodge doesn’t justify, excuse, or mitigate the deathly risk to which these leaders are exposing us all.

    They who believe they are doing their duty by covering for aka obama are just plain deceived. They are being used by our enemies.

  142. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 12, 2010 at 10:13 pm |

    ================================

    Propaganda is lies used to twist the truth. All my stuff was true. People who don’t like what they are hearing often call the truth, propaganda, to belittle it.

    But to your direct point. If I judged GWB by that one act alone, I would classify him as the biggest weasel to ever lived, and definitely far short of a patriot. But since we do not know why he did what he did (or more precisely, why he didn’t do what we think he should have done), it is hard to judge. Maybe some day we will find out.

    I mean it could be that GWB just SEEMED like a patriot on the outside but was the greatest scum on the face of the planet on the inside. Hell, maybe he was a total puppet to the same masters as Zero. Maybe his assigned function was to just tread water, make no waves, and prepare the way for the Obamessiah. Maybe it was he that tanked the economy in September to ensure a Zero win?

    It would be possible to speculate almost anything. But just as I do for Zero, I think what I see with “my own lying eyes” is pretty much the truth. I operate under that assumption until proven otherwise.

  143. !?!! @ 11:49 pm |
    “That many might believe the old “you must violate your sworn oath and lie to the people for the good of the country — for the people’s own good” dodge doesn’t justify, excuse, or mitigate the deathly risk to which these leaders are exposing us all.”
    You are exactly right, if we could shut our eyes and pretend Pearl Harbor didn’t happen, or 9/11 didn’t happen wouldn’t life be wonderful, but these tragic attacks against WE THE PEOPLE did happen as with Obama ineligible face it we must. No one can lie or pretend away the truth.

  144. I, too, C.W. say, once again, THANK you — for EVERYTHING you are and do.

    At the moment, I am particularly grateful for the Rant-friendliness and Rant-skipability here.

    Sometimes, ya just gotta forget about whether or not ya sound cohesive, intelligent, reasonable, or even sane, and just plain R A N T, rage, and foam at the mouth!! (Well, at least, I do. And to rant among like-minded patriots is the BEST.)

  145. !?!! @ 12:01 am | I personally liked your spontaneity. I really liked it when the first meetings were going on, the people v/s the whacked out government where the people just spoke their hearts. They were still ignored or locked-out but their messages were so from the heart and accurate. Now everyone is going to remember in November. Nancy Pelosi you could call this the revenge of the astroturf.

  146. Michelle | September 12, 2010 at 11:59 pm |

    Well said.

    Patriotic Americans did not build this great country by “lying or pretending away the truth.”

    Now our “leaders” along with the media, seem intent upon lying and pretending away AMERICA at warp speed, in front of our very noses.

  147. Rosemary Woodhouse | September 12, 2010 at 10:08 pm |

    FWIW, the KGB angle is a heck of lot more plausible than CIA.
    =============================================
    Of course. CIA would not pay bo to spy on his homosexual druggie pals on his summer vacation, but the KGB would pay handsomely for bo to infiltrate the US Government.

  148. An interfaith Walk in Unity took place in DC today to remember 911. Could that have happened anywhere in any Muslim country where all religions were honored? Hardly.

  149. It is also perfectly plausible that the CIA would want to cover up a blunder like allowing a foreign agent to become POTUS.

    There is another aspect of this subterfuge that I have not seen anyone here explore.

  150. Free Speech @ 12:09 am |
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin
    Putin joined the KGB in 1975 upon graduation from university, and underwent a year’s training at the 401st KGB school in Okhta, Leningrad. He then went on to work briefly in the Second Department (counter-intelligence) before he was transferred to the First Department, where among his duties was the monitoring of foreigners and consular officials in Leningrad, while using the cover of being a police officer with the CID.[31][32] According to Yuri Felshtinsky and Vladimir Pribylovsky, he served at the Fifth Directorate of the KGB, which combated political dissent in the Soviet Union.[33] He then received an offer to transfer to foreign intelligence First Chief Directorate of the KGB and was sent for additional year long training to the Dzerzhinsky KGB Higher School in Moscow and then in the early eighties—the Red Banner Yuri Andropov KGB Institute in Moscow (now the Academy of Foreign Intelligence).[citation needed]
    From 1985 to 1990 the KGB stationed Putin in Dresden, East Germany.[34

  151. Michelle | September 13, 2010 at 12:05 am |

    I liked that the best about the first tea parties, too — that regular folks just said what they wanted to say.

    We ARE a part of our government. WE always have been. Our staunch independence and our outspoken watchfulness, wisdom, and warnings keep our nation anchored in life, liberty, and happiness pursuits.

    The other branches of our government have disengaged from US. The “officials” have forgotten their Constitutional function and think they are entitled to run their little fiefdoms like mini-tyrants — as long as they don’t rock the boat with the other tyrants. They’ve turned into users and we the people are the use – ees.

  152. Free Speech @ 12:15 am |
    “It is also perfectly plausible that the CIA would want to cover up a blunder like allowing a foreign agent to become POTUS.”
    This is a point very well taken, and the media with some huge ego problems may not want to admit, that they were had by a South Side hood.

  153. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Just a final general comment for the night.

    I think there is a misconception that raises it head from time to time and confuses us and/or dilutes our effort. And that is – that a lot of high government officials are actively subverting the constitution. They are actively refusing to fulfill their oath.

    I think the truth is a little different. If I may use some very precise words – they are not so much anti-constitutional as they are un-constitutional. This is a more passive concept.

    We have discussed before that at least some legislation has to be marked as to what in the constitution allows or supports it. I’m sure they just write “commerce clause” or “general welfare” in there. I’m sure they never do any in-depth analysis. My sense is that they largely operate without any reference to the constitution whatsoever. I think their oaths are just meaningless but historic words – they just say them for tradition.

    I believe that most congressmen have never even read the constitution. And if so, it was a long time ago. I’m sure they do not read it frequently or even ever think about it. I bet there are few if any congressional offices that have a dog-eared constitution for ready and frequent reference.

    I know for a fact that they don’t even teach the constitution in the prestigious universities – they teach USSC case law instead.

    A fast majority of the Federal Government is unconstitutional – even if you include all the twists and turns of the USSC added on top of the constitution. It’s just that nobody ever puts together a case to complain about it – or if they do, things get balled up with standing and jurisdiction.

    If and when any complaint actually comes together and spends “27 years” winding it’s way through all the courts, then maybe something will go back to congress and they will adjust and tweak things. In my lifetime all I can remember is either some very specific details or social reform like civil rights. And in fact, the rulings usually go the opposite way. If someone complains about something being unconstitutional, the USSC will peer under the worms under the rock under the mountain of the constitution and find some “right” that needs protecting.

    That is one reason I think that none of “them” even had a second thought about Zero and eligibility. Bush gave the keys to the White House to Zero because he won, plain and simple. Same as he would have done for Hillary. I just don’t think it was on anybody’s radar.

    I think that is at least why some people believe racism is involved. Nobody bothers to worry about the constitution day in and day out. And then all of a sudden with the black man it becomes a big deal?

    Have you EVER heard in an election debate or any congressional hearing or a bill being discussed – any reference to the constitution EVER? Did McCain ever say to Obama – “Well, yeah there Barack, that’s a clever idea for sure, but you can’t do it – it’s unconstitutional”. Nope, not on healthcare, not on government takeovers, not on bailouts, not on anything. It is just so far off their radar, that it never comes up.

    I think it is part of the problem with LtC Lakin. Officers don’t sit around discussing the constitution and looking up orders to see if they fit, etc. They just do what they are told and pass on the orders. So all of a sudden this “wise guy” pops up and says “hey wait a minute, is that even constitutional?”

    I think the truth is a lot more like this than it is any grand conspiracy. I think we have slowly evolved into this government style/culture big problem. The officials think they are elected to do stuff for their constituents – not faithfully apply the constitution. So they go along doing basically whatever they want and whatever they can get the votes to pass. The only time the constitution even gets brought up is when some outsider calls them on it – but only after long laborious court cases.

    We need to start demanding discussion of the constitution as an integral part of the campaigning process. We need to ensure that we elect no one unless they pledge to have a handy copy of the constitution on their desk and that they use it, frequently. We need to get them to promise to call out their own associates and rivals – during the legislative sessions.

    Why is there not a Congressional Constitution Committee just like there is a Congressional Ethics Committee? One that has immense power and operates every day continuously? Why wait for the people and the courts? Why can they not police themselves on the fly?

    Every bill and every action by the congress ought to have a required debate on the constitutionality. Not just weasel words on the paperwork – but a full debate and open hearing.

    It does not seem to me that various of us having hissy fits over isolated items once in a while as we get piqued by this or that is a viable and effective way to do things. We need a comprehensive culture change.

  154. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Michelle | September 13, 2010 at 12:24 am |

    Free Speech @ 12:15 am |
    “It is also perfectly plausible that the CIA would want to cover up a blunder like allowing a foreign agent to become POTUS.”

    This is a point very well taken, and the media with some huge ego problems may not want to admit, that they were had by a South Side hood.

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    Both of you KUDOS. Very short sweet insightful posts.

  155. While you are bashing Geo Bush, take time to do some investigative work as to why he and his Father had such a row at the White House over Bush Jr was trying to get an investigation over the Twin Towers and the planes that flew into them. Also note that you only see Geo Sr. with his younger son. If you go deep enough, you will find GWB to be a far better man than you think. Daddy Bush could not rule GW or make him tow the NWO line. I believe history will clear GW and point his Father out to be the crook he is.

  156. Rosemary Woodhouse | September 12, 2010 at 10:50 pm |
    “Re: Beck- While I understand the premise of “controlled opposition”, it makes no sense vis-a-vis Beck because the public, for the most part, was sound asleep……I believe he has been told by his bosses to back off from the eligibility issue as well as soft pedal the Islamic “problem”, but “controlled opposition”? Um, no.”
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    That is my assessment pretty much, also. I don’t say that he couldn’t be used in that roll but don’t see it right now. I do see something developing, however, with the last rally seeking to bring various religions together. This COULD eventually turn into more than just a spiritual awakening, as he would put it. A unity is developing that could be greatly influenced one way or another. To me it bears watching. Not that I am opposed to a spiritual awakening – To the contrary. It’s exactly what we need in this country, but I’m not so sure that a man like Beck is called by God to lead it.

  157. to those who have recognized that there is a possibility of a KGB link, I have some more food for thought:

    Recently (this year) there was a spy scandal. Something like 10 Russian spies were rounded up by the CIA. These spies were small potatoes if you know what I mean. None of them had access to any secrets, and that was not their role. All they had to do was mingle with government people and see what they could learn.

    What amazed me about this spy case was the way in which they were asked to plead guilty and were then sent back to Mother Russia. It happened at a very fast rate. Why? The spy swap was arranged very rapidly. This is not normal.

    Could it be that the Russians intimated something to their CIA counterparts? What do the Russians know?

    The other recent spy case was that of the Myers (sp). If you remember he is the grandson of Alexander Graham Bell (too much time and wealth I suspect). He was spying for Cuba.

    Now think about this: Øbama has been cosying up to Castro in Cuba and Chavez in Venezuela. He supported the Marxist Zelaya when he was ousted in the Honduras. I was in the USA when the Honduras drama was happening. All of the hotel TVs were tuned to CNN and I was so disgusted over the behaviour of the CNN reporter in the Honduras. However, what was really sticking out was the fact that instead of recognizing the Constitutional rights of the Honduran govt and its court to take action against this Marxist would be dictator, Øbama through Hillary Clinton took the attitude that Zelaya must be returned to power. This was not a coup. The real coup happened in Iran when Ahmahnutjob usurped power – the other candidate did win that election.

    Now those who are old enough, or barely old enough know that there was something called the Bay of Pigs fiasco. We know that Russia was attempting to set up a missile base in Cuba. Here we have another link to Russia, Putin and Øbama.

  158. Aussie | September 12, 2010 at 10:37 pm |
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    Before signing off for the night, I just want to thank you for the update. You are really having a time of it in Australia, too. You are right in the know on it all, too. So glad that you weren’t ill yourself, or something like that. I always appreciate your posts. Take care and be good to yourself!

    (I’ve been hitting this blog off and on, because of a big accounting job that’s taking up my time the last several days.)

  159. AZ-legal citizen

    True or Untrue: I think people did not question Obama’s background because Obama was the first BLACK Presidential Candidate. The country hated Bush so much they would have voted for a criminal! And they did… People are now waking up which is great!

  160. Aussie – Again on your 1:59 AM post:
    Yes, there was something very fishy about the way these 10 Russian spies were handled… There are more ties between our governmental agencies, as well as Ø , than we would want to know, I suspect. Just think about the warm exchanges between Chavez and Obama when they have met! You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to conclude that they are on the same page ideologically.

  161. @CabbyAZ you are welcome 🙂

  162. Aussie………………………..
    In my personal opinion Auchi is connected to Soetoro via REZKO, Jarrett,and the Chicago mob. This extends to and includes people like “LINOLEUS” and his slimey little Chicago bank from which he allegedly stole over $70 million. It must not have been mob or Daley money,or he would have long since either dissapearred, or been found shot to death. Auchi allegedly contributed millions to Soetoro for campaign money. which Soetoro’s slimey little PAKISTANI FRIENDS who managed his small contributions fund, saw fit to rebundle into small $200.00 contributions, then they added a random name taken from Chicago telephone directories,added the name to each $200.00 bundle then entered the new bundle into his Small Contributions Fund. VOILA…………NOW IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE REPORTED. BUT IT WAS REPORTED,ALONG WITH EXACTLY WHAT WAS BEING DONE, AND THE DOJ REFUSED TO EVEN TOUCH IT. It was two young Chicago attorneys who discovered what was going on, and even supplied the PROOF of their allegations along with a formal complaint, to the DOJ. I would have to conclude that since the DOJ refused to touch the complaint is enough evidence to show that they too had chosen to break the laws of our land. Hopefully an investigation of the DOJ will show their involvement in the conspiracy and those responsible will eventually face prosecution for their crime in one of our “reconstituted” federal courts

  163. CabbyAZ…………………….
    Do you suspect like I do that there could even be a certain amount of collusion going on between Beck and the ISLAMIC,Muslims. He says, and I reiterate,”WE must all come together,including our Muslim FRIENDS, if we expect to SURVIVE”. Bringing all religions together is IMPOSSIBLE, but you CAN bring millions of TRULY religious people together. This does not include the Muslims because I personally do not see anything religious in the perpetration of the murder of 3000 people at the WTC,as something which would be done by religious people.This includes thousands of other documented murders worldwide by our alleged MUSLIM FRIENDS. I have not read a word of their book on “HOW and When to Murder people”, but I have enough inteligience to look at the behavior of these allegedly religious people who follow the scriptures of the Koran. The Master book on (How to murder people.”) Actions speak a lot louder than words.n I would HAPPILY burn as many of them as I could get my hands on.

  164. @Cabby-AZ,
    yes Øbama is on the same page as Chavez and Castro. The way he responded to Chavez was entirely different to the way that he treated the former Prime Minister Brown.

    Oddly enough he did not treat our former Prime Minister KRUDD in the same unfriendly fashion. It seems that they got on very well. However, as you could see after KRUDD was stabbed in the back by Julia-the-Marxist Gillard, the reverse Midas touch worked. You should recall that the plans to visit Indonesia and Australia were shelved. (I was delighted that the Australian plans were shelved). Since I live in Canberra I was not looking forward to the extra security that would be necessary to accommodate this egomaniac and his family. I could see the hot air in Canberra rising faster and faster if he had come hear. Of course this would have made for an even colder winter :).

    Since Julia-the-Marxist with the shocking voice, is currently Prime Minister after she prostituted herself for the leadership with bribes, Øbama will have yet another leader who shares the same ideals as himself.

  165. FROM MY TRAILER IN “SLIME CITY” G’NIGHT ALL! I’M OUT OF HERE!

  166. @OldSalt,

    I do not like having to defend Muslims in any way, but I must to some extent because there is a clear distinction between Islamists and other Muslims who do not believe in the violence.

    In my past I have worked with Muslims, male and female. The female was an Afghani Muslim. Her family was obviously well connected in Afghanistan because her father was a governor at the time that the original fighting broke out (the fighting that brought in the Russians). She remembers the parties, and then they fled into India – from there they ended up in Australia. This particular woman does not wear the hijab (Afghanis women never wore the hijab prior to that point in time). The other Muslims were male, one was Indian, and another was Iranian. Both Iranian males that I knew were married to Christian women. The Indian made it clear that he was only Muslim because his family was forced to convert to Islam. There was another Muslim in the same workplace but I did not have contact with him and he was more intent upon things like Friday prayers. Not one of these Muslims ever espoused violence of any sort. I would go as far as saying that at least one of them was very much against the killing of non-Muslims and the general use of violence.

    The reason that I bring this up is that there are in some regions people who were forced to convert to Islam, and given the opportunity, they would not be Muslim at all. However, even in this group there is a danger that they could become radicalized by some fiery imam who preaches hate at every opportunity. Each Muslim community is different.

    Another reason for bringing this up, is that there are Muslims who are indeed trying to speak out. Naomi Darwish is one who has spoken out and in recent weeks there have been a few brave women who have spoken up against the building of Cordoba House. One woman did this because she had family who were killed by the Islamists. It has obviously affected her outlook and she condemns the violence.

  167. @OLDSALT79

    Yes I knew about the Auchi connection – he is the Iraqi or Iranian businessman who has been financing Øbama for a very long time. I also knew about the Rezko link.

    There just has to be a way that someone will take all of this corruption seriously.

  168. Bush took the blame for many things that were out of his control. Democrats took control of congress and did their best to spend money in such a way to make Bush look bad, all the while bashing him relentlessly. Alinsky style tactics used against Bush and the republicans day after day coming from the most vile political party on the planet. Meanwhile funneling millions of dollars to a few via Fanny Mae and Freddy. Complete corruption is the only way to describe it. It’s like watching looters on TV walking out of a store with a basket full of goodies they didn’t have to pay for.

  169. Well said bob.

  170. I have a friend that works for NBC affiliates in DC and New York – she has been with them for more than 25 years and is due to retire – she is conservative , christian , and very informative to how the news operates today – it is shocking but what we all imagine – there many good people , honest and fully acknowledging
    the news is more a propaganda machine than journalism . She said you keep your mouth shut or your are threatened – or your loose your job – she said it is disgusting – surely with this administration all news networks are subject to the Chavez way or the highway – our system has been highjacked – So you try to work within it until you crack the corruption or the mental liberal disease that has clearly crept into the minds of ignorant lemmings . my friend and I went to high school together and were reunited at a 30 yer reunion – she was full of affirmations of what we all suspect – listen to your gut – it never fails – my gut = a real change is coming form the people !

  171. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Somebody sent me a new very professionally done PowerPoint slideshow of the WTC destruction – a lot of beautiful and dramatic pictures – before, during, and after.

    Every bit as “bad” as Pearl Harbor. We seem to have had a much easier time identifying the enemy all those many years ago. After 10 years past 9/11/2000, we still seem highly confused and overcome with Political Correctness. How come we have AT LEAST 3 dozen KNOWN terrorist training camps – IN THE CONTINENTAL US? And we can’t seem to gather the wits to do anything about it. How come we think, like that historical “idiot of all idiots”, Neville Chamberlain, that appeasement and “more dialog and understanding” will defuse anything? Even under GWB. But under Muslim Hussein, it has gotten MUCH worse and WAY MORE PERVASIVE?

    SLEEP TIGHT!

    In a long-forgotten seemingly minor event, GWB made perhaps his biggest mistake. Very early on in one of his “cowboy” speeches about taking it to the enemy, he used the word CRUSADE. In a frenzy of Political Correctness, he was forced to retract that word – after all, it might offend THE ENEMY. In hindsight, that was a worse mistake than most realize. It was needed to steel the resolve of the Americans and was needed as an essential MESSAGE to the enemy. Not only did retracting the word therefore fail those objectives, but it told the enemy that we were weak and easily intimidated – specifically that their “pricking the giant” had worked! At least to a degree.

    Whether or not we recognize that we need a CRUSADE, they have launched the counterpart JIHAD against us. So we, by definition, have a CRUSADE/JIHAD. Our failure to admit it hurts us, not them.

    Pretend They’re Not At War With Us

  172. @CC this analysis is spot on in my view. It hits the target. We are in a war just as you say: Crusade/Jihad.

    When the enemy launched its attack on the WTC it was launching a world-wide jihad.

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