FTC increase funding of PBS, PBS left wing statements, How to Speak Tea Bag
“The function of the press is very high. It is almost Holy.
It ought to serve as a forum for the people, through which
the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or
suppress the news is a breach of trust.”…. Louis D. Brandeis
From the FTC document
“POTENTIAL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO SUPPORT
THE REINVENTION OF JOURNALISM”
“The Public Broadcasting Act of 1967 created and provided funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), which oversees both the Public Broadcasting System (PBS) and National Public Radio (NPR).”
“According to CPB, “the fundamental purpose of public service media is to provide programs and services that inform, enlighten and enrich the public… CPB invests in programs and services that are educational, innovative, locally relevant and reflect America’s common values and cultural diversity.””
“Various commentators agree that CPB funding needs to be increased,90 and many believe that NPR and PBS stations need to build and maintain strong newsrooms at the state and local levels.91 NPR announced in October 2009 that it would launch a new journalism project to develop in-depth, local coverage on topics critical to communities and the nation. The project is being funded with $2 million from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and $1 million from the Knight Foundation. One speaker suggested that with additional federal funding, this initiative could be expanded.92 The president and CEO of NPR explained that this project will “beef up local online content at the station level” and will be done in “partnership with other public media players [and] new not-for-profits.””
http://www.ftc.gov/opp/workshops/news/jun15/docs/new-staff-discussion.pdf
From Citizen Wells January 5, 2010
“NPR Shows Everyone How to Speak ‘Tea Bag’… with OUR Money”
“But what happens when the so-called “humor” crosses the line? It’s one thing to make fun of someone, but trying to discredit an entire movement of frustrated Americans and doing it with taxpayer money is something entirely different. How much longer are we going to continue to fund left-wing propaganda with OUR money? Just look at the NPR web site for their latest “humor” directed at the hundreds of thousands of “Tea Party” activists across the country.
Prominently displayed on the National Public Radio (NPR) web site is a new cartoon titled, “Learn To Speak Tea Bag.” Of course, Tea Party activists don’t ever use the term “tea bag,” a phrase that refers to a sexual act and which has been used by the media to demean the entire tea party movement.”
Citizen WElls 
Here is my favorite NPR story –
MY FAVORITE ARNOLD SCHWARTZENNEGER AND NPR STORY.
Several years ago I was driving between Richmond to D.C on I-95 and to keep awake I turned on Natl Public Radio to get me mad and awake.Terry Gross was interviewing Conan O’Brien . He was not yet the host of the Tonight Show. In the middle of a nondescript interview Conan excitedly breaks in and asks Ms. Gross “Do you know what?” “No” she said. He said that opponents of Arnold are sending out pictures of him naked. “And do you know what? He is winning by 4 inches.” I almost drove off the road.
“Everything is changing. People are taking the comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke” – Will Rogers
Good Morning!
http://codyjudy.blogspot.com/2010/06/amicus-curiae-in-defence-of-ltcol-lakin.html
In other words, the socialists in washington find that their liberal socialist mouthpiece media outlet is “too big to fail”….
They are a private company, if they do not understnad how to retain consumers, then the hell with them. Let the fail, and they will change their bussiness practices from highly progovernment bias to professional true investigative journalism. Bail them out, they will not change a thing, which of course the reason for bailling them out.
In this case eloquent means foul language.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/06/reconquistador.html
In the interests of fairness, let’s listen to the point of view of a presumed opponent of Arizona’s SB1070. Here an eloquent Reconquistador shares the finer points of his ideology with Tea Party patriots in Monterey County, California. As you might expect, the language is not suitable for children, work, or civilized company.
Good definition of “Socialism”
“Socialism is workable only in heaven where it isn’t needed, and in hell where they’ve got it”
This might get intense.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2533634/posts
Iranian Marines Set To Escort Flotilla ‘To Teach Israel Lessons’
Sunday, June 13, 2010 8:47:23 AM · by Fennie · 77 replies · 2,208+ views
IsraelNationalNews ^ | June 13, 2010 | By Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
Two Iranian ships intended to head for Hamas-controlled Gaza are waiting for their government’s approval to challenge Israel on the high seas, escorted by “volunteer marines” that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants to send “to teach Israelis a lesson.” An Iranian Red Crescent official said the two ships are waiting for the Iranian foreign ministry to give the green light for launching, according to the French news service AFP, quoting the Iranian Mehr news service. The Red Crescent said a third ship probably would join the fleet. Red Crescent official Mojtaba Majd also claimed that more than 100,000 Iranians have…
Cabby – AZ // June 13, 2010 at 1:00 am
Free Speech – 12:34 AM
Amen! And don’t forget about the Hebrew contribution to the development of Law.
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Oh, yes, absolutely! Our laws are rooted in laws given by God to the Hebrews. Thanks for adding that important point.
By the way, has Helen retired for the night? I would like you to develop what you feel her theory is about changes made in 1946?
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Cornell Law School
Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure
Legal Information
Rule 7 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (FRCP):
“An offense which may be punished by death shall be prosecuted by indictment. An offense which may be punished by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or at hard labor shall be prosecuted by indictment…”
NOTES OF ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON RULES – 1944
Note to Subdivision (a).
1. This rule gives effect to the following provision of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury…
4. Presentment is not included as an additional type of formal accusation, since presentments as a method of instituting prosecutions are obsolete, at least as concerns the Federal courts.
There is no mention of “presentments” being “obsolete” in the body of Rule 7. It is merely mentioned as a footnote in Note 4 of the Advisory Committee Notes on the Rules:
“4. Presentment is not included as an additional type of formal accusation, since presentments as a method of instituting prosecutions are obsolete, at least as concerns the Federal courts.”
Cabby this footnote 4 is UNCONSTITUTIONAL notwithstanding the fact that judges adhere to it.
It will take a SCOTUS ruling to remedy. IMHO Justices like Scalia are inclined to Rule in favor of the original intent of the Constitution not some footnote penciled in by Socialists in 1944.
In United States vs. Williams (USSC 1992) Justice Scalia wrote, “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history…the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right.” In other words the power of the Grand Jury is assigned to We the People in order that we may obtain a “more perfect Union.”
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Somehow there are statements she makes which would appear to be connected somewhat with the same beliefs that RAP has, but I’m not sure.
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Many legal scholars have been concerned about the Advisory Committees usurpation of the right of presentment to a Federal Grand Jury by We the People, but RAP/AGJ NONSENSE distorts the legitimate legal issue with wacko conspiracy foolish disinformation. Some RAP/AGJ koolaid drinkers may be well meaning, although misguided, but I can assure you the RAP/AGJ “elders” are NOT interested in restoring our Constitutional Rule of Law.
Is insurance industry next takeover target?
Proposal in Congress puts feds in middle of catastrophe claims
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=165701
Helga,
Socialism is “evil”. It uses slavery as a means to a justifiable ends. It take the fruit of labor away and againt the person who earned it and gives it to the person whom did not earn it.
Call it social justice, social welfare, wealth distribution, ect… its all the same.
Remember what the great African American slave Federic Douglas said in his life history writings, during a time of quasi-slavery days as a ships chaulker. “I was to find my own job trade, I was required to provide for my own tools of trade, I was allowed to shelter myslef and pay room and board, I was allowed to feed and clothe myself, and for this, I was to him (my master) three dollars and twenty cents per week for this.”
What’s wrong with this picture? It was slavery then, what is it now? Why did we go back to this which we fought a civil war to get away from?
Have a great day! I have to go now. Zach
Should read…. I was to pay him 3.20 per week. Here, you have a person, Douglasls master, taking the fruits of labor from him that earned it, against his will, and his master being the recepiant of which did not earn it. Its evil and was abolished through a war. Now back to it again……pathatic, despicable humaity crimes.
As I said before, the democrat party has always been pro slavery and always will.
Wow! Before I could finish writing we had moved over to this thread! So, this is carried over:
Free Speech – 9:44 AM
Many legal scholars have been concerned about the Advisory Committees usurpation of the right of presentment to a Federal Grand Jury by We the People, butRAP/AGJ NONSENSE distorts the legitimate legal issue with wacko conspiracy foolish disinformation. Some RAP/AGJ koolaid drinkers may be well meaning, although misguided, but I can assure you the RAP/AGJ “elders” are NOT interested in restoring our Constitutional Rule of Law.
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Thank you!!!! FS, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Not only that, but you have explained this matter in a way that I have never read before – I mean, the reconciliation between Rule 7 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and the Constitutional provisions in
the Fifth Amendment. You see, for those of us who don’t have a background in law and don’t have the time to sort it all out, the myriad of voices out there (most of whom are ill-informed)
is confusing, to say the least. I hope that others “get it” as you have explained. In other words, Congress has codified and “amplified” what they wanted to re. constitutional principles and deviated from the original intent of the Framers.
So, what we have here is this situation. There are a number of folks who have researched this very issue and have come up with various theories. They may be “right on” when it comes to their findings, but what happens after that is up for grabs. So, there are those who have come to the right conclusions (as you have laid out), but then the conspiracy theories start flowing. That is where many of us part ways!
This is not to say that there were not forces at work to try to subvert the power of the Constitution, but we cannot embark on all the speculations out there (which cannot be proved) that lead to theories that don’t hold up under plain scrutiny. In other words, to put it bluntly, many of them are crazy, looney, unsubstantiated, and……….utter nonsense. (I mean the theories, not the people )
As far as the “elders” and “white knights” are concerned, I did enough research early on as to the background of some of the principals and found them to be possibly dangerous individuals. People have gone to jail over the years from following the wacko advice of leaders of the sovereign movement, which is the wellspring of the present RAP and related beliefs. In my opinion, there is a certain money-making aspect to these leaders, and who knows what else.
In another post you indicated that your false arrest was possibly made because of phone contact you had with RAP/GJ individuals.
You were unsuspecting, but what about those patriots who have given pertinent personal information and even thumbprints to these leaders? NO WAY would I ever do that!! First of all, why would it be required? Secondly, who knows where that info may end up?
Again, I have to say that you have written many good things, but this explanation is to me the most practical for the immediate situation we find ourselves in. Thanks for taking the time!
William // June 13, 2010 at 10:52 am
Remember what the great African American slave Federic Douglas said in his life history writings, during a time of quasi-slavery days as a ships chaulker. “I was to find my own job trade, I was required to provide for my own tools of trade, I was allowed to shelter myslef and pay room and board, I was allowed to feed and clothe myself, and for this, I was to him (my master) three dollars and twenty cents per week for this.”
What’s wrong with this picture? It was slavery then, what is it now? Why did we go back to this which we fought a civil war to get away from?
Excellent Point. Remember this foolish boBot?
Drudge…
“O” pushes 50B more in emergency funds.
If I printed “funny money” I would be arrested.
But, if “O” prints “funny money” it is ok. Or is it? Maybe the Chinese need to arrest “O” for “funny money!”
Cabby – AZ // June 13, 2010 at 11:05 am
Wow! Before I could finish writing we had moved over to this thread! So, this is carried over:
Free Speech – 9:44 AM
Many legal scholars have been concerned about the Advisory Committees usurpation of the right of presentment to a Federal Grand Jury by We the People, butRAP/AGJ NONSENSE distorts the legitimate legal issue with wacko conspiracy foolish disinformation. Some RAP/AGJ koolaid drinkers may be well meaning, although misguided, but I can assure you the RAP/AGJ “elders” are NOT interested in restoring our Constitutional Rule of Law.
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Thank you!!!! FS, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Not only that, but you have explained this matter in a way that I have never read before – I mean, the reconciliation between Rule 7 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and the Constitutional provisions in
the Fifth Amendment. You see, for those of us who don’t have a background in law and don’t have the time to sort it all out, the myriad of voices out there (most of whom are ill-informed)
is confusing, to say the least.
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Cabby, I understand. I remember my 1st visit to the Vanderbilt Law School Library, seeing 2 multi-floor buildings full of Law books. I then realized just how incomprehensible the Law of this Nation had become and how far removed from the original Supreme Law of the Land, our Constitution.
It is so gratifying to have these discussions with you. I have essentially been writing the same essay on the Law for almost 2 years now. I have done all this work pro bono, solely for Love for my Country and its Constitution.
At the darkest times for my Family, I was afraid that the only ones who understood my writings were Aristotle who has been my champion for justice and the boCohorts who had me FALSELY ARRESTED out of fear my writings might inspire Patriots to form Citizen Grand Juries en masse.
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
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I hope that others “get it” as you have explained. In other words, Congress has codified and “amplified” what they wanted to re. constitutional principles and deviated from the original intent of the Framers.
So, what we have here is this situation. There are a number of folks who have researched this very issue and have come up with various theories. They may be “right on” when it comes to their findings, but what happens after that is up for grabs. So, there are those who have come to the right conclusions (as you have laid out), but then the conspiracy theories start flowing. That is where many of us part ways! YES.
This is not to say that there were not forces at work to try to subvert the power of the Constitution, but we cannot embark on all the speculations out there (which cannot be proved) that lead to theories that don’t hold up under plain scrutiny. In other words, to put it bluntly, many of them are crazy, looney, unsubstantiated, and……….utter nonsense. (I mean the theories, not the people )
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There are various motivations for the RAP/AGJ DECEIT: GREED, INSANITY, STUPIDITY, FEAR, HATE etc.
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As far as the “elders” and “white knights” are concerned, I did enough research early on as to the background of some of the principals and found them to be possibly dangerous individuals.
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RAP/AGJ “elders” are every bit as “dangerous individuals” as bo.
Think about it. Who was more dangerous: Hitler?
Stalin?
Mao?
Saddam Hussein?
Who is more dangerous now?
bo?
bill ayers?
ahmadinejad?
kim jong il?
RAP “elders”?
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As far as the “elders” and “white knights” are concerned, I did enough research early on as to the background of some of the principals and found them to be possibly dangerous individuals. People have gone to jail over the years from following the wacko advice of leaders of the sovereign movement, which is the wellspring of the present RAP and related beliefs. In my opinion, there is a certain money-making aspect to these leaders, and who knows what else.
In another post you indicated that your false arrest was possibly made because of phone contact you had with RAP/GJ individuals.
You were unsuspecting, but what about those patriots who have given pertinent personal information and even thumbprints to these leaders?
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bill ayers began plotting to kill 25 Million Americans in the 1960’s. With the help of RAP, DHS & bo, he is getting closer and closer to his blood thirsty goal. No doubt all those foolish people “who have given pertinent personal information and even thumbprints” have been identified by bo’s regime for extermination.
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NO WAY would I ever do that!! First of all, why would it be required? Secondly, who knows where that info may end up?
Again, I have to say that you have written many good things, but this explanation is to me the most practical for the immediate situation we find ourselves in. Thanks for taking the time!
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U R WELCOME! THANK U FOR YOUR GOOD INSIGHT AS WELL. FS
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/nashville-citizens-grand-jury-forming.html
How is it possible to believe that Israel is a thug, and the entire histroy shows the only thugs are the muslims attempting to erradacate an entire country and people?
Then on the same note, claim that America freedom of republic aganist anti semites and anti terroists should prevail, usings those like Fritzpatrick as an example?
In other words, to be anti-Israel to defend its freedom against muslims world pathatic infilitration and sympathay card, yet promote American freedom values against muslims and Islamic infiltration, is at odds with any basic analogy.
It is the same as if I made the arrguement that same sex marraige should never be allowed in Europe, those that do are thugs. However, its perfectly ok in America.
This makeas no sence to me…. It is akin to claiming
helen // June 13, 2010 at 12:28 pm
FS and CA –
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CW, thank you for exposing the real helen. For the record, I do NOT visit her site, primarily, because she has admitted the she records info on everyone who visits there.
Obviously I have not defamed her but she has repeatedly defamed me by name on numerous occasions as have other HATEFUL boBots who infect CW from time to time. With the help of the many good Patriots here all the HATEFUL boBots are being exposed and debunked and their NONSENSE has been discredited.
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Cabby – AZ // June 13, 2010 at 11:05 am
Wow! Before I could finish writing we had moved over to this thread! So, this is carried over:
Free Speech – 9:44 AM
Many legal scholars have been concerned about the Advisory Committees usurpation of the right of presentment to a Federal Grand Jury by We the People, butRAP/AGJ NONSENSE distorts the legitimate legal issue with wacko conspiracy foolish disinformation. Some RAP/AGJ koolaid drinkers may be well meaning, although misguided, but I can assure you the RAP/AGJ “elders” are NOT interested in restoring our Constitutional Rule of Law.
*****************************
Thank you!!!! FS, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Not only that, but you have explained this matter in a way that I have never read before – I mean, the reconciliation between Rule 7 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and the Constitutional provisions in
the Fifth Amendment. You see, for those of us who don’t have a background in law and don’t have the time to sort it all out, the myriad of voices out there (most of whom are ill-informed)
is confusing, to say the least.
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Cabby, I understand. I remember my 1st visit to the Vanderbilt Law School Library, seeing 2 multi-floor buildings full of Law books. I then realized just how incomprehensible the Law of this Nation had become and how far removed from the original Supreme Law of the Land, our Constitution.
It is so gratifying to have these discussions with you. I have essentially been writing the same essay on the Law for almost 2 years now. I have done all this work pro bono, solely for Love for my Country and its Constitution.
At the darkest times for my Family, I was afraid that the only ones who understood my writings were Aristotle who has been my champion for justice and the boCohorts who had me FALSELY ARRESTED out of fear my writings might inspire Patriots to form Citizen Grand Juries en masse.
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
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I hope that others “get it” as you have explained. In other words, Congress has codified and “amplified” what they wanted to re. constitutional principles and deviated from the original intent of the Framers.
So, what we have here is this situation. There are a number of folks who have researched this very issue and have come up with various theories. They may be “right on” when it comes to their findings, but what happens after that is up for grabs. So, there are those who have come to the right conclusions (as you have laid out), but then the conspiracy theories start flowing. That is where many of us part ways! YES.
This is not to say that there were not forces at work to try to subvert the power of the Constitution, but we cannot embark on all the speculations out there (which cannot be proved) that lead to theories that don’t hold up under plain scrutiny. In other words, to put it bluntly, many of them are crazy, looney, unsubstantiated, and……….utter nonsense. (I mean the theories, not the people )
******************************************
There are various motivations for the RAP/AGJ DECEIT: GREED, INSANITY, STUPIDITY, FEAR, HATE etc.
*****************************************
As far as the “elders” and “white knights” are concerned, I did enough research early on as to the background of some of the principals and found them to be possibly dangerous individuals.
****************************************
RAP/AGJ “elders” are every bit as “dangerous individuals” as bo.
Think about it. Who was more dangerous: Hitler?
Stalin?
Mao?
Saddam Hussein?
Who is more dangerous now?
bo?
bill ayers?
ahmadinejad?
kim jong il?
RAP “elders”?
*******************************************
As far as the “elders” and “white knights” are concerned, I did enough research early on as to the background of some of the principals and found them to be possibly dangerous individuals. People have gone to jail over the years from following the wacko advice of leaders of the sovereign movement, which is the wellspring of the present RAP and related beliefs. In my opinion, there is a certain money-making aspect to these leaders, and who knows what else.
In another post you indicated that your false arrest was possibly made because of phone contact you had with RAP/GJ individuals.
You were unsuspecting, but what about those patriots who have given pertinent personal information and even thumbprints to these leaders?
*****************************************
bill ayers began plotting to kill 25 Million Americans in the 1960′s. With the help of RAP, DHS & bo, he is getting closer and closer to his blood thirsty goal. No doubt all those foolish people “who have given pertinent personal information and even thumbprints” have been identified by bo’s regime for extermination.
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NO WAY would I ever do that!! First of all, why would it be required? Secondly, who knows where that info may end up?
Again, I have to say that you have written many good things, but this explanation is to me the most practical for the immediate situation we find ourselves in. Thanks for taking the time!
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U R WELCOME! THANK U FOR YOUR GOOD INSIGHT AS WELL. FS
It cut off part of my statement. No matter, yes I was speakinf to you, Helen of Troy
Speaking….wish I had my pc and not blackberry to type or write. Please forgive my errors, saying it like is is
Errrr… like it is
Free Speech // June 13, 2010 at 12:30 pm
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
Free Speech // June 13, 2010 at 12:36 pm
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/nashville-citizens-grand-jury-forming.html
Free Speech // June 13, 2010 at 1:44 pm
FS, my friend – – –
Somtimes in your various comments and rebuttals you repost entire long comments and sometimes you repost/copy only pertinent snippets.
Please – that latter works much better. Try to do that more often.
PS – germane to the point at-hand – – –
The question is not “pro Israel” or whether “Israel is right”. I don’t disagree with anybody saying Israeli government is corrupt anymore than I would of USA.
But it is all relative. Corrupt or not, I would side with current USA government over, say China or Norks. Similarly I would side with Israel over ANY of her neighbors.
To the extent that Israel may be in the wrong, the Arabs and Muslims are wrong squared. For instance, I don’t mind people picking on Israel so much as I mind people thinking Palestinians are somehow righteous and persecuted in all this.
Just stupid and misguided, in my opinion.
Israel – warts and all (and I’ve said that several times before) is a critical ally for us, they are the point of the spear and shield in a great global war against our common enemy.
Some of the anti-Israel side have said they don’t care about Israel one way or another – they just care about the USA. This is a suicidal concept. USA lives and dies with Israel. Having Israel is our key ally is absolutely existentially critical to USA.
William – the attack on the Mavi Marmara at 4 am in the morning using real bullets against these unarmed activists who had to use broom handles, chairs, sling shots, anything they could get their hands onto to defend themselves is cowardly and inhumane, period. Therefore, they are thugs.
Does this truth make me into an anti semite? NO. Does this truth make me anti Israel? NO.
Yet for some it does. Anytime a non-Jewish American dares to breath a negative word or share a negative thought about the thuggish Israeli Likud Party we endure the maddening injustice that somehow we are now hateful and anti semite.
Well, I choose not to be stifled from stating the obvious while others try to convince me what I’m witnessing is not what I think it is.
What if that ship were loaded w/American muslims and the Israeli’s did a full board attack on it killing people with 5 shots to the head, 30 shots in one body and more. Yet, not one of the attackers died. NOT ONE. Yet the injured Israeli commando receives your sympathy.
Leo – there you go again. Telling tales that are outright false!
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CW, thank you for exposing the real helen. For the record, I do NOT visit her site, primarily, because she has admitted the she records info on everyone who visits there.
Obviously I have not defamed her but she has repeatedly defamed me by name on numerous occasions as have other HATEFUL boBots who infect CW from time to time. With the help of the many good Patriots here all the HATEFUL boBots are being exposed and debunked and their NONSENSE has been discredited.
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“Records info on everyone who goes there” What on earth are you talking about. My moderation practices? Seeing that you’ve been on a WordPress Dashboard, you know the limited information Blog Owners are privvy too about their posters. So, what pray tell are you talking about?
Sir, please provide one defaming comment I have ever made toward you.
The only one defaming people here seems to be you, Sir. My three years of blogging prior to your coming onto the scene will more than demonstrate to you, and any other who questions who I am, that I am far from being a bobot, obot or any other bot.
You are digging a hole, Sir, and I suggest you keep an eye on how big it is becoming.
Helen,
Israel will always have the right to defend herself. She will always have to be on the defensive because her enemies are numerous.
I do believe the “harmless little muslim humanitarians” were give other options to have their “aid” delivered to the palestenians..They wanted to have a confrontation with the Israeli’s.
IGNORE THE boBot TROLLS!
Ally or not, Carlyle, the US should not enable any radical government. Instead, as an ally it is incumbent upon our government to take the necessary steps to hold them accountable for this massacre.
DON’T FEED THE ANTI-SEMETIC boBot TROLLS. She will slither back to her ANTI-SEMETIC DISINFORMATION site where she belongs.
CW has a new thread up:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2010/06/13/lt-col-lakin-military-court-amicus-curiae-cody-robert-judy-june-9-2010-on-behalf-of-the-defendant-lakin-us-army-v-lakin/
Israel was in the right! and the US is enabling only the radical gov’ts, because the idiot in the white house is destroying any allies we had before.
Did you not hear about the $400 million he is sending to Gaza? that should be going to Israel along with any weapons previous administration promised to supply Israel with, but now the WH is enabling only the terrorists. It’s Bassackwards and ridiculous.
Tennbrock –
You are absolutely correct about Israeli’s right, as well as any nation’s right to defend themselves. I also agree with you that the Israeli’s did warn the Flotilla and wanted them to come into Ashdod.
Where this massacre becomes indecent is here – there were seven or nine ships that made up the Flotilla, right? Why was only one ship attacked by the Israeli Commando? None of the ships had an incident and were escorted into Ashdod. So why only the Mavi Marmara?
Some may say the Commando’s were attacked first. With what exactly? A chair? a Homemade Molitov Cocktail? a Marble?
I am a huge fan of Wayne Madsen b/c of his extensive knowledge and his dogged investigative reporting. He went to Turkey last week to learn what was happening on the ground.
Here is a snippet from one of his recent reports –
A wide array of Turkish government, NGO, and think tank officials have stated that the investigation of the Ergenekon “deep state” apparatus in Turkey, responsible for a series of attempted coups d’etat and both attempted and actual false flag operations in Turkey, is directly linked to Israeli intelligence and military services.
On December 7, 2009, as President Obama was meeting Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan at the White House, the guerrilla Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK) staged a terrorist attack on a Turkish Army logistics unit in the western Anatolia town of Resadiye. The terrorist attack resulted in the deaths of seven Turkish military personnel.
What was unusual about the attack was that it was in western Turkey, far from the usual area of operations for the PKK in southeastern Turkey. Although the PKK almost immeditaly claimed responsibility for the attack, Turkish counter-intelligence discovered that the attack involved Israeli intelligence and covert military units who work closely with the PKK. The Israeli-sponsored terrorist attack was timed to send a message to Erdogan, an opponent of Israeli policies in Gaza, and Obama — a warning that Turkey should not expect to get too close to the Obama administration at Israel’s expense.
In fact, the attack on the army personnel at Resadiye occured exactly at the same time the meeting between Obama and Erdogan commenced in Washington, an indication that Israel has a high-level mole or moles within the senior staff of the White House who knew the exact time of the Obama-Erdogan meeting and transmitted the details to Israel, which then alerted its Israeli intelligence personnel in Resadiye who were assigned to work with the PKK.
Turkish officials also point to reports from the Israeli website DEBKAfile, believed to be a Mossad front, that strongly hint at Israeli cooperation with PKK operations inside Turkey.
Israeli intelligence is also believed to have infiltrated its agents into the Turkish Gaza aid group, Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief or IHH, one of the principal flotilla organizers and goaded some Turkish passengers on the MV Mavi Marmara to respond to the Israeli commandos by going on the deck when the ship’s crew ordered all passengers to remain below deck for safety reasons. Nine Turkish citizens were killed by Israeli commandos on the ship’s main deck. Furkan Dogan, 19, a dual U.S.-Turkish citizen and passenger, was also ordered to remain below deck but when he went topside to film the Israeli takeover of the vessel during the middle of the night, he was shot by Israeli commandos four times in the head and once in the chest. There are reports that Dogan’s forehead was illuminated by Israeli targeting lasers before he was shot in what many Turkish officials described as an “execution.” Israeli rubber bullets fired at passengers were quickly replaced with live ammunition.
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William – saw your request for me to post comments on the Lt Col Lakin thread. Nope. This is CWs Open Thread. I believe the Lt. Col Lakin thread is meant for this topic only b/c “Open Thread” is not highlighted.
As a blogger, I tend to respect other blogger’s rules and guidelines. I might suggest the same for others.
Tennbrock – you said the US or O has allocated $400M to Gaza. Please compare that to the known $3 Billion a year we give to Israel. This does not include all of the special gifts given throughout the course of any given year for example the recently approved amendment by Congressman Welch for another $205 million for weapons for Israel.
http://www.timesargus.com/article/20100611/OPINION04/6110311
Given our current economic collapse I’d prefer we cut foreign aid to all countries until we get our economic house back in order.
OK, folks, enough is enough.
For the second time this month (never before two in one month, I might add), I must call “TROLL ALERT”.
Others and myself have tried to reason with Helen for many months, and a lot lately especially because of the anti-Israel propaganda.
I hereby swear off communicating with Helen. I will neither read nor respond to Helen ever again. She has demonstrated a lack of rational dialogue and is obviously on an agenda.
Highly recommend others do the same. She has her own blog and can spew venom over there if she wants. That kind of thing is not wanted here.
BUH-BYE
Well thank goodness, Leo, for ceasing the ridicule. What a true blessing this is and especially on such a holy day. My prayers have obviously been answered.
Free, free at last from your bullying. It is such a pleasure to witness your “flip flopping like a fish on a pier” when you aren’t given control over what another human being says.
You, Sir, are a bullytroll. My new nickname just for you. bullytroll, bullytroll, bullytroll –
daggone it, Carlyle not Leo promised to ignore me. aaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!!
And no Carlyle I am not on a mission. I was asked questions of which I provided factual answers too.
I guess your rule is ask the question but no one answer it unless I say so.
It’s getting harder and harder to keep up with all of these authoritarian bullytroll rules. Especially the unspoken ones.
Helen of troy, defender of pro isalm pro terroists and somehoe defender of pro america, I will say this ti you..
Name one single islamic organization that partisipated in the “fried totrtilla” event that does not have direct ties to the islamic goals of overthrowing a sorvergin nation, in this case Israel? Just one will do.
Look Helen, its simple. Other than the known facts that Allah is not God and Muhammed was nothing more than a pedophilla offender, a drunk that barely saved his ass for an accused murder, not to mention outright plagiarism of moses to save himself from being executed by Rome and his own tribe, hell, I would have have a eurica moment myself. He is a false and so are escaspe clases.
Nevertheless, you are also entilted to believe than little green men live here on earth, so long as you are not in the middle east, the beheaded. But in America and the civilized countrties, believe what you wish. As of now, I have not seen your savioras lightt of islam and its centuries ofd manipulations of religious wars you reiened for over a thousand years.
And by the way, correct me all you wish on of my being all thumbs on my blackberry. Trust me, I can take it
Citizen Carlyle – 3:43 PM
You say,
“I hereby swear off communicating with Helen. I will neither read nor respond to Helen ever again. She has demonstrated a lack of rational dialogue and is obviously on an agenda.
Highly recommend others do the same. She has her own blog and can spew venom over there if she wants. That kind of thing is not wanted here”
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CC – I will join you in that pledge. Although I have not been blogging here nearly as long as you have, I sense that Helen wants to scrap – to fight – to bait, rather than engage in sensible discourse. You can’t have a profitable interchange with someone who seems to be more interested in attacking than debating. Unfortunately, that’s the way it is. As you say, she does have her own blog, and any who like that sort of thing can converse over there.
Hawaiian elections official: I’d testify on Obama’s birth
Clerk willing to swear in court president not born in Honolulu
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=165981
Free Speech // June 13, 2010 at 2:42 pm
DON’T FEED THE ANTI-SEMETIC boBot TROLLS.
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If we would follow Aristotle the Hun’s wise words, we would just ignore anyone – troll, or not – that doesn’t show themselves to be able to give and take, and make sense, regardless of their position. Likewise, someone who is STRONGLY opinionated and only wants to keep pushing and pushing, should have enough respect for the rights of the other bloggers to LAY OFF once and for all with respect to the volatile subject in question, imho. To keep it up incessantly is bad manners.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/06/congress-mulls-bill-to-revise.html
Congress Mulls Bill to Revise Birthright Citizenship
Possible Change to 14th Amendment Could Add Fuel to the Immigration Debate