Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it, Franklin, Lincoln, Orwell, Citizen Wells open thread June 6, 2010

“Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it”

“Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but nothing in this world is certain but death and taxes.” … Benjamin Franklin

“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”…Abraham Lincoln

“The function of the press is very high. It is almost Holy.
It ought to serve as a forum for the people, through which
the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or
suppress the news is a breach of trust.”…. Louis D. Brandeis

“Not every item of news should be published: rather must
those who control news policies endeavor to make every item
of news serve a certain purpose.”… Joseph Goebbels

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed
–if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into
history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the
Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past.”…George Orwell, “1984″

10 responses to “Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it, Franklin, Lincoln, Orwell, Citizen Wells open thread June 6, 2010

  1. interesting quotes. 🙂

  2. Grandfatherjwv

    Should Israeli conduct and information be discussed at this site? – Grandfatherjwv

    Fernley Girl // June 6, 2010 at 2:01 am
    Grandfatherjwv // June 5, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    Citizen Carlyle –
    “Yes, there is some dross, detritus, and drivel over there as well, but if enough of us post good stuff on Citizen News, we can easily overwhelm and marginalize that.”
    That is exactly what you and your mossad buddies are doing here!
    CW. Any reason why you’re letting this type of attack continue?


    “Impeach Obama for Gulf Oil Disaster”
    June 6, 2010 ·

    Warning – Terribly Graphic Pictures.

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    “Impeach Obama for Gulf Oil Disaster”

    June 6, 2010

    “You shall know them by thy fruits.” -Matthew 7:16

    Today is Day 48 of the Gulf Oil Crisis. The devastation to the Gulf’s wildlife is now widespread. Yesterday, June 5, the AP’s Holbrook Mohr and John Flesher report that:

    “nearly seven weeks after a BP rig exploded and the wellhead a mile below the surface began belching millions of gallon of oil…the wildlife apocalypse along the Gulf Coast that everyone has feared for weeks is fast becoming a terrible reality.

    Pelicans struggle to free themselves from oil, thick as tar, that gathers in hip-deep pools, while others stretch out useless wings, feathers dripping with crude. Dead birds and dolphins wash ashore, coated in the sludge. Seashells that once glinted pearly white under the hot June sun are stained crimson. Scenes like this played out along miles of shoreline Saturday.

    […] President Barack Obama pledged Saturday in his weekly radio and Internet address to fight the spill with the people of the Gulf Coast. His words for oil giant BP PLC (BP) were stern: “We will make sure they pay every single dime owed to the people along the Gulf coast.” But his reassurances offer limited consolation to the people who live and work along the coasts of four states – Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida – now confronting the oil spill firsthand.

    In Gulf Shores, Ala., boardwalks leading to hotels were tattooed with oil from beachgoers’ feet. A slick hundreds of yards long washed ashore at a state park, coating the white sand with a thick, red stew. Cleanup workers rushed to contain it in bags, but more washed in before they could remove the first wave of debris. The oil is showing up right at the beginning of the lucrative tourist season, and beachgoers taking to the region’s beaches haven’t been able to escape it.

    […] At Pensacola Beach, Erin Tamber, who moved to the area from New Orleans after surviving Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, inspected a beach stained orange by the retreating tide. “I feel like I’ve gone from owning a piece of paradise to owning a toxic waste dump,” she said.

    […] With no oil response workers on Queen Bess, Plaquemines Parish coastal zone management director P.J. Hahn decided he could wait no longer, pulling an exhausted brown pelican from the oil, the slime dripping from its wings. “We’re in the sixth week, you’d think there would be a flotilla of people out here,” Hahn said. “As you can see, we’re so far behind the curve in this thing.”

    […] Federal authorities say 792 dead birds, sea turtles, dolphins and other wildlife have been collected from the Gulf of Mexico and its coastline…. Experts say the Gulf’s marshes, beaches and coastal waters, which nurture a dazzling array of life, could be transformed into killing fields, though the die-off could take months or years and unfold largely out of sight. The damage could be even greater beneath the water’s surface, where oil and dispersants could devastate zooplankton and tiny invertebrate communities at the base of the aquatic food chain.”

    It took 13 days before Obama even made his first visit to the Gulf coast. All of us, liberals or conservatives, know darn well that if George W. Bush were still president, there would be cries for impeachment by now.

    Obama has justified his administration’s inaction by seeking shelter in some unnamed law that purportedly makes the oil company – in this case, British Petroleum (BP) — which is responsible for an oil leak also solely responsible for its cleanup.


    The Oil Pollution Act (OPA) of 1990 gives the president of the United States complete responsibility for immediate action in cleaning up an oil spill. OPA, among other things, amended Section 311 of the federal Clean Water Act. Section 311 specifies that:

    (A) If a discharge, or a substantial threat of a discharge, of oil or a hazardous substance from a vessel, offshore facility, or onshore facility is of such a size or character as to be a substantial threat to the public health or welfare of the United States (including but not limited to fish, shellfish, wildlife, other natural resources, and the public and private beaches and shorelines of the United States), the President shall direct all Federal, State, and private actions to remove the discharge or to mitigate or prevent the threat of the discharge.

    (B) In carrying out this paragraph, the President may, without regard to any other provision of law governing contracting procedures or employment of personnel by the Federal Government–
    (i) remove or arrange for the removal of the discharge, or mitigate or prevent the substantial threat of the discharge; and
    (ii) remove and, if necessary, destroy a vessel discharging, or threatening to discharge, by whatever means are available.

    A sin of omission is failing to do something good when you know you should. The legal dictionary defines a sin of omission as the “failure to perform an act…where there is a duty to…the public to act (including omitting to take care) or is required by law. Such an omission may give rise to a lawsuit in the same way as a negligent or improper act.”

    In Obama’s case, his many many days of deliberate inaction with regard to the BP oil volcano in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico are more than a sin of omission. His inaction is a dereliction of duty, in violation of a federal law: Section 311 of the Clean Water Act.

    Fellowship of the Minds hereby calls for the impeachment of Barack Hussein Obama.

    Another oil-soaked bird, found dead on the Gulf coast

    ~Eowyn & Steve”

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    Steve // June 6, 2010 at 3:55 am |

    And I Steve , as Co-Founder Of Fellowship of The Minds agree, Barack Hussein
    Obama, should be impeached, for His inaction is a dereliction of duty, in violation of a federal law: Section 311 of the Clean Water Act.

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    Ron // June 6, 2010 at 4:47 am

    Steve, I’ve read the CWA and while I can see the president has certain obligations regarding and requiring his immediate attention, I do not see an impeachable act on his part. The President can be impeached for high crimes and acts of treason and dereliction of duty but how would that be proved under the current Congress and how would we get a new Congress to even look at it?

    The act specifically states it his responsibility to appoint and direct but beyond that there is little he can do to alleviate the problem. No one will convince the democrats that this man is inept, incapable, and unwilling to execute his duties as President.

    I agree with you and many others calling for the impeachment of this fool but you and I preach only to the choir; it’s the Democrat Congress that has to be convinced –I don’t think we’ll ever get the issue to the floor. There are some democrats willing to argue the point but they’re staying in the back ground keeping their mouths shut.”

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    Obama MUST be Impreached for Gulf Oil Disaster. While animals are going through excruciating pain coated with oil and dying, Barack Obama is fiddling while Rome burns and is completely derelict in his duties smiling his Constantly Wide High As A Kite Smile as this smiling Mind Blown Drug Addict holds parties and is instead serenaded by another hazey minded drug addict named McCartney in the White House.

    Of course, Barack Obama is AWOL & he purposely never misses an opportunity and a chance to take as many vacations as possible to party, and this time it’s to Chicago to try to cover-up, shut-up, and bribe people there to cover-up his Serial Crimes he has been committing for years there in Illinois.

    After all, if Barack Obama were a Legal USA President he would be heartbroken and passionately concerned like ALL Legal American citizens are and he would be stationed at ground zero of the oil disaster, and seriously working round the clock to solve and to STOP this Oil Disaster and a competent USA president would ahve had this Gulf Oil Disaster, honestly, STOPPED WEEKS AGO!!

    Americans, the Serial Criminal Usurper Barack Obama is ALLOWING the oil to continue to flow into the Gulf of Mexico for a reason…..This Gulf Oil Disaster, Americans is a staged crisis that Barack Obama will NOT let to go to waste.
    because Barack “I Hate The USA And I Have No Loyalty And NO Legal Citizenship Connections To The USA Because I Was Born In Mombasa in Kenya, Africa, You FOOLS!!” Obama’s Declared WAR on America with his Foreign Born Domestic Enemy evil heart and soul and on the USA animals is hell-bent in dereliction of duties 365/24/7 to end the Sovereignty of the USA, and to DESTROY THE USA people, if people in the USA are idiots and allow thie Mad-Man to do this.”

  4. Free Speech

    Has anyone verified this article?


    Bill Frist, “Brokeback Mountain,” and Obama

    In 2006, after Obama became the junior senator from Illinois, WMR’s sources in the Congressional Black Caucus reported that there were persistent rumors of gay trysts between Obama and then-GOP Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee. The allegations at the time seemed unbelievable.

    However, based on Obama’s penchant for receiving fellatio from older white men, a column written by The Washington Post’s “In the Loop” columnist Al Kamen on April 7, 2006, some four months into Obama’s Senate term, may have expanded relevance. Kamen reported he received an invitation to attend Frist’s “5th Annual VOLPAC ’06 Weekend” in Nashville from April 21st to 23rd and that the invitation card required one to “unbuckle the cowboy’s pants and look inside to see what this was all about.” Kamen opined that the invitation seemed “a bit too ‘Brokeback Mountain.’”

    The invitation advertised that the shindig would feature “one-of-a-kind music and special friends,” although Kamen said there was no indication what made the “friends” so “special.” Kamen then wrote, “The back of the card shows the cowboy from behind with a red flowered handkerchief sticking out of his right pocket. Wait a minute — wasn’t there something about how this used to be some kind of code in the gay community years ago? A way to signal each other in crowded, noisy bars? So we checked the’s Hanky Codes. Sure enough, there it was in the chart explaining what they mean: red hanky in right pocket. Oh, dear.”

    Rumors about Obama and Frist ran amok in Congressional Black Caucus circles in 2006.

    Although Frist ran on the pledge of only serving two terms, he became Senate Majority Leader with all the perks of the office. WMR’s sources in Chicago’s gay community revealed that Frist’s Majority Leader predecessor, Senator Trent Lott of Mississippi, was also known to seek the services of male prostitutes. Frist, who said he planned to run for President in 2006, decided against a run for the White House and also declined a run for Tennessee governor in 2010.

    With the rumor mill running at full speed in 2006, it is obvious why Frist abandoned politics so quickly for the medical business. Frist later endorsed Obama’s health care proposals. A year later, when GOP Senator Larry Craig was arrested while soliciting for sex in a men’s toilet stall at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, he changed his mind about immediately resigning his Senate seat. Knowing about his colleagues’ behavior, he dug in his heels and completed his term in January 2009

  5. Free Speech

    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”…Abraham Lincoln

    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”…Abraham Lincoln

    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”…Abraham Lincoln

    Amen! and the way we the people do as Pres. Lincoln said is by the 4th Branch of Government, the Citizens Grand Jury.

  6. Free Speech

    FOX NEWS: Bill Kristol noted that Juan Williams is now turning on bo.

  7. Grandfatherjwv


    A brutal ambush at sea

    Ron Ben Yishai recounts bloody clash aboard Gaza-bound vessel: The lacking crowd-dispersal means, the brutal violence of ‘peace activists,’ and the attempt to bring down an IDF helicopter

    Ron Ben-Yishai Published: 05.31.10, 15:44 / Israel News

    Our Navy commandoes fell right into the hands of the Gaza mission members. A few minutes before the takeover attempt aboard the Marmara got underway, the operation commander was told that 20 people were waiting on the deck where a helicopter was to deploy the first team of the elite Flotilla 13 unit. The original plan was to disembark on the top deck, and from there rush to the vessel’s bridge and order the Marmara’s captain to stop.

    Israeli Explanation

    Barak: Sail’s organizers responsible for deadly raid / Attila Somfalvi

    (Video) Defense minister, IDF chief of staff and Navy commander explain Israeli considerations following takeover of aid ships sailing to Gaza, which left at least 10 pro-Palestinian activists dead. ‘We regret the casualties, but soldiers were in danger’
    Full story

    Officials estimated that passengers will show slight resistance, and possibly minor violence; for that reason, the operation’s commander decided to bring the helicopter directly above the top deck. The first rope that soldiers used in order to descend down to the ship was wrested away by activists, most of them Turks, and tied to an antenna with the hopes of bringing the chopper down. However, Flotilla 13 fighters decided to carry on.

    Navy commandoes slid down to the vessel one by one, yet then the unexpected occurred: The passengers that awaited them on the deck pulled out bats, clubs, and slingshots with glass marbles, assaulting each soldier as he disembarked. The fighters were nabbed one by one and were beaten up badly, yet they attempted to fight back.

    However, to their misfortune, they were only equipped with paintball rifles used to disperse minor protests, such as the ones held in Bilin. The paintballs obviously made no impression on the activists, who kept on beating the troops up and even attempted to wrest away their weapons.

    One soldier who came to the aid of a comrade was captured by the rioters and sustained severe blows. The commandoes were equipped with handguns but were told they should only use them in the face of life-threatening situations. When they came down from the chopper, they kept on shouting to each other “don’t shoot, don’t shoot,” even though they sustained numerous blows.

    ‘I saw the tip of a rifle’
    The Navy commandoes were prepared to mostly encounter political activists seeking to hold a protest, rather than trained street fighters. The soldiers were told they were to verbally convince activists who offer resistance to give up, and only then use paintballs. They were permitted to use their handguns only under extreme circumstances.

    The planned rush towards the vessel’s bridge became impossible, even when a second chopper was brought in with another crew of soldiers. “Throw stun grenades,” shouted Flotilla 13’s commander who monitored the operation. The Navy chief was not too far, on board a speedboat belonging to Flotilla 13, along with forces who attempted to climb into the back of the ship.

    The forces hurled stun grenades, yet the rioters on the top deck, whose number swelled up to 30 by that time, kept on beating up about 30 commandoes who kept gliding their way one by one from the helicopter. At one point, the attackers nabbed one commando, wrested away his handgun, and threw him down from the top deck to the lower deck, 30 feet below. The soldier sustained a serious head wound and lost his consciousness.

    Only after this injury did Flotilla 13 troops ask for permission to use live fire. The commander approved it: You can go ahead and fire. The soldiers pulled out their handguns and started shooting at the rioters’ legs, a move that ultimately neutralized them. Meanwhile, the rioters started to fire back at the commandoes.

    “I saw the tip of a rifle sticking out of the stairwell,” one commando said. “He fired at us and we fired back. We didn’t see if we hit him. We looked for him later but couldn’t find him.” Two soldiers sustained gunshot wounds to their knee and stomach after rioters apparently fired at them using guns wrested away from troops.

    2 errors
    During the commotion, another commando was stabbed with a knife. In a later search aboard the Marmara, soldiers found caches of bats, clubs, knives, and slingshots used by the rioters ahead of the IDF takeover. It appeared the activists were well prepared for a fight.

    Some passengers on the ship stood at the back and pounded the soldiers’ hands as they attempted to climb on board. Only after a 30-minute shootout and brutal assaults using clubs and knifes did commandoes manage to reach the bridge and take over the Marmara.

    It appears that the error in planning the operation was the estimate that passengers were indeed political activists and members of humanitarian groups who seek a political provocation, but would not resort to brutal violence. The soldiers thought they will encounter Bilin-style violence; instead, they got Bangkok. The forces that disembarked from the helicopters were few; just dozens of troops – not enough to contend with the large group awaiting them.

    The second error was that commanders did not address seriously enough the fact that a group of men were expecting the soldiers on the top deck. Had they addressed this more seriously, they may have hurled tear-gas grenades and smoke grenades from the helicopter to create a screen that would have enabled them to carry out their mission, without the fighters falling right into the hands of the rioters, who severely assaulted them.

  8. Grandfatherjwv


    LONDON (Reuters) – Nine Turkish activists killed in an Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship were shot a total of 30 times and five died of gunshot wounds to the head, Britain’s Guardian newspaper reported on Friday. (Yahoo)
    “Autopsy results showed the men were hit mostly with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range, the Guardian said, quoting Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine which carried out the autopsies on Friday.
    “The autopsy results showed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back, the Guardian said.
    A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has U.S. citizenship, was shot five times from less than 45 cm (18 inches) away, in the face, the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back, it said.
    Two other men were shot four times. Five of those killed were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, the Guardian quoted Buyuk as saying.
    In addition to those killed, 48 others suffered gunshot wounds and six activists were still missing, he added.
    Israel said the multiple gunshot wounds did not mean the shots were fired other than in self defense.
    “The only situation when a soldier shot was when it was a clearly a life-threatening situation,” the Guardian quoted a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London as saying. […]
    Excerpt from Ynet News:,7340,L-3899189,00.html
    …One of the doctors said that all but one of the bullets retrieved from the bodies came from 9mm rounds.
    Of the other round, he said, “It was the first time we have seen this kind of material used in firearms. It was just a container including many types of pellets usually used in shotguns. It penetrated the head region in the temple and we found it intact in the brain.”
    According to British Parliament Member Andrew Slaughter, the findings harm Israel’s version. “Given the very disturbing evidence which contradicts the line from the Israeli media and suggests that Israelis have been very selective in the way they have addressed this, there is now an overwhelming need for an international inquiry,” he said.

  9. Grandfatherjwv

    Citizen Carlyle –
    “Yes, there is some dross, detritus, and drivel over there as well, but if enough of us post good stuff on Citizen News, we can easily overwhelm and marginalize that.”
    That is exactly what you and your mossad buddies are doing here!

    Citizen Carlyle is laying low for awhile, I caught him RED HANDED admitting what he and his friends are doing here!

  10. Grandfatherjwv

    Citizen Carlyle –
    “Yes, there is some dross, detritus, and drivel over there as well, but if enough of us post good stuff on Citizen News, we can easily overwhelm and marginalize that.”
    That is exactly what you and your mossad buddies are doing here!

    Citizen Carlyle is laying low for awhile, I caught him RED HANDED admitting what he and his friends are doing here!

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