Zachary Christie, 6 year old suspended, Cub Scout knife, Zachary faces 45 days in district reform school, Christina School District, Newark Delaware, What a bunch of idiots

What a bunch of idiots!

45 days in the district’s reform school for a 6 year old cub scout proudly displaying his new cub scout knife.

I don’t think so!

From the NY Times, October 11, 2009.


“It’s a Fork, It’s a Spoon, It’s a … Weapon?”


“Finding character witnesses when you are 6 years old is not easy. But there was Zachary Christie last week at a school disciplinary committee hearing with his karate instructor and his mother’s fiancé by his side to vouch for him.
Zachary’s offense? Taking a camping utensil that can serve as a knife, fork and spoon to school. He was so excited about recently joining the Cub Scouts that he wanted to use it at lunch. School officials concluded that he had violated their zero-tolerance policy on weapons, and Zachary was suspended and now faces 45 days in the district’s reform school.”
“But the question on the minds of residents here is: Why do school officials not have more discretion in such cases?

“Zachary wears a suit and tie some days to school by his own choice because he takes school so seriously,” said Debbie Christie, Zachary’s mother, who started a Web site,, in hopes of recruiting supporters to pressure the local school board at its next open meeting on Tuesday. “He is not some sort of threat to his classmates.”

Still, some school administrators argue that it is difficult to distinguish innocent pranks and mistakes from more serious threats, and that the policies must be strict to protect students.”
“Critics contend that zero-tolerance policies like those in the Christina district have led to sharp increases in suspensions and expulsions, often putting children on the streets or in other places where their behavior only worsens, and that the policies undermine the ability of school officials to use common sense in handling minor infractions.”
““Something has to change,” said Dodi Herbert, whose 13-year old son, Kyle, was suspended in May and ordered to attend the Christina district’s reform school for 45 days after another student dropped a pocket knife in his lap. School officials declined to comment on the case for reasons of privacy.

Ms. Herbert, who said her son was a straight-A student, has since been home-schooling him instead of sending him to the reform school.

The Christina school district attracted similar controversy in 2007 when it expelled a seventh-grade girl who had used a utility knife to cut windows out of a paper house for a class project.”
“For Zachary, it is not school violence that has left him reluctant to return to classes.

“I just think the other kids may tease me for being in trouble,” he said, pausing before adding, “but I think the rules are what is wrong, not me.””

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What a bunch of idiots!

And what a sad commentary on this country. We have an illegal, usurper in the office of the presidency with no state election officials, no electors, no congressmen and no judges stepping up to uphold the US Constitution and vet Obama and a innocent six year old is expelled for proudly displaying his new cub scout knife.

135 responses to “Zachary Christie, 6 year old suspended, Cub Scout knife, Zachary faces 45 days in district reform school, Christina School District, Newark Delaware, What a bunch of idiots

  1. This was also evident as one school system proved the same milady, ‘idiocy’, as they expelled a young girl who had mistakenly picked up her mother’s lunch bag with a paring knife in it for her apple.
    Yes, we must really watch for those over-achieving, intelligent 6 year olds out to do detrimental harm to our schools carrying those deadly paring knives…… will only get worse.

  2. I noticed the expulsion of the 6 year old on AOL & Fox earlier.
    When I discovered he could be placed in reform school for 45 days,
    I really got pissed off.
    I just added this:

    And what a sad commentary on this country. We have an illegal, usurper in the office of the presidency with no state election officials, no electors, no congressmen and no judges stepping up to uphold the US Constitution and vet Obama and a innocent six year old is expelled for proudly displaying his new cub scout knife.

  3. We all know how much trouble this country is having with 6 Year old gang violence.

  4. Civis Naturaliter Natus


    This country is rapidly becomming a pharasaical paradise, where you can overthrow a republican government with impunity, but put a little boy in reform house for more than a month, for doing nothign wrong!

  5. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Some of the problems of the present were warned against long ago by early patriots in the Anti-Federalist Papers….

    I never heard of these before…

    has some interesting reads on usurpation and judicial corruption

  6. Civis Naturaliter Natus


    I hear there are 1.5 million kids in home school already and it is growing rapidly…

    Every family I meet with kids, I can tell immediately who are the ones homeschooling…

    their kids are respectful, self controlled, intelligent and pay attention to both young and old…

    the others are unruly, rude, self-centered, and throw tantrums contstantly, prone to violence and argumentative, proud and churlish

  7. cazart: 1 definition – the equivalent of “Holy sh*t, I should have known!” Invented(?) by gonzo journalist [Dr. Hunter S. Thompson]
    -Urban Dictionary

  8. Off Topic:

    I just got a message stating that is changing servers and this is why their site may be down.

  9. “Also, if you search my site, you will see that I do support Orly, however misguided some of her efforts have been. I have commented at her site, I have e-mailed her and she is not interested in any of my work. That became even more obvious on the Andrea Shea King show, when, directly after Andrea mentioned my website Orly went off and basically called me a couch potato that only surfs the internet and does nothing else. Well, Orly would have only needed to pass my name to my reps in DC to know that I am no couch potato. She is making claims about people she knows nothing about. As of right now, I agree with her on one point, Gary Kreep is misguided. He is not properly advising his clients, BUT neither is Orly. Why is she ignoring the proper avenue for Quo Warranto? This is the newest $64,000 question.” Quote from Linda at Constitutionally Speaking.

    Like many others, my hopes are high for Orly and others on the front lines of this battle. I have met Linda and respect her research (her last piece was an amazing 3 part paper many others here read and admired). Why would Orly be so rude to Linda? Seems with her knowledge and research skill Linda would be a valuable asset. This bothers me. No one knows who to trust- just how Obama and gang want it.

    Posted on October 12th, 2009 by Lynn Dartez


    Posted by Van Guard on October 12, 2009

    The Nobel Prize is a Trojan Horse, an Act of War disguised as a Prize of Peace. That no one up to now has called it what it is, is as disgusting as it is treasonous. Not anyone in any sphere, Left or Right, has dared to expose this breach against American National Security.

    All pundits, politicians, editorialists and bloggers, I am sad to report, have patty-caked and pussy-footed around this since the “BRIBE” was announced days ago. Yes, it is a Bribe!

    There is outrage about the President being undeserving; there is outrage that he was nominated just two weeks into his term; there is all manner of discourse about WHY he was Bribed, but no one has called it the despicable act of war that it is.

    What would you have said to a bundle of cash and socialist prestige had it been offered to Roosevelt by the Axis powers on the eve of the Normandy Surge into Europe in 1946? And what if Roosevelt had accepted the offering from Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, “…as a call to action — a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 20th century…”

    I submit to you that Roosevelt would have been impeached, tried and convicted immediately for treason.

    “What?” you say. “The Norwegians are a neutral country simply exercising their good will, rewarding the momentum of a peaceful cause.”

    Even President Obama acknowledged in his remarks on October 9th, that the Bribe, “has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it’s also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.”

    Might one of these causes be to influence with money whether he decides to “surge” in Afghanistan or not?

    How peaceful is the cause of Al qaeda? How peaceful is the cause of the Taliban?

    By offering the Bribe, by “awarding” it, the Norwegians have meddled and intervened with our foreign policy. It is a deliberate, direct act against our current national interest with the intent of influencing its outcome and its result, for in offering it to a sitting President, they have violated the governmental integrity of the United States.

    President Obama should have refused the Bribe, not because he did not deserve it, but because it is an act of war.

    It is an act of war because he would otherwise be taking unwavering actions to protect Americans against the the criminality of a murderous, barbaric, group of terrorists that have slaughtered Americans on U.S. soil, and continue to do battle against our soldiers, and against the world by slaughtering innocent civilians with their terrorist homicidal bombings.

    Nevermind that accepting the Bribe is also against the law and violates the Constitution (* see article: 12 Oct 09).

    Instead of accepting the Bribe, Obama should have held it up to the world, siezed the moment, the momentum and the world stage to challenge the Taliban, Al Qaeda and any other Jihadist to show the world that they are willing to become members of civilization and cease their operations of international terror, bring them into the community of nations, or face the liabilities and consequences of their criminal acts and total annihilation at the hands of world condemnation and subsequent force of arms. He could have offered to share “the Prize” with them to end their terror and sue for Peace.

    Obama could have transformed that moment from an act of war against the United States of America, from a cheap Bribe and an insult against the West, and turned public opinion solidly and charismatically against Iran, North Korea, Russia, Latin America, and ushered in a new era of peace, not merely with rhetoric, but with the force of all nations who are tired of being bullied by the Axis of Terrorism, and the United States would have led the initiative for world-wide peace.

    Obama could have rallied world support against any and all of our enemies, used the opporunity to form a coalition of the “willing” and condemned any of the “rogue” nuclear aspirants to cease and desist their nuclear ambitions or face immediate consequences, and then rallied and organized allies as an immediate force to do so.

    That would have been good use of celebrity clout.

    Instead we have the awkward, “I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people of all nations.”

    Instead, he illegally, and unconstitutionally accepted a bribe, and offered no response to act of war against his country.

    It is yet not too late. The President could yet reconsider. There is still the official acceptance of the Bribe in Oslo. He could make that THE forum.

    I wonder if he will.

    What say you?

  11. I am going to be a real a–hole,and say what I think….which I think is that the parents of the youngster should do his 45 days for him. Especially if they bought the knife for him, and they KNEW that the school had a zero tolerance policy. Yes he was indeed proud of his knife,but his parents are the real culprits because somewhere along the line they FAILED to teach him about responsibility. They FAILED to teach him that he needs to follow the rules,because these rules are put in place to help protect youngsters at school. Granted he made an innocent mistake, but just think if a real sicko saw the knife in his hand, took it away from him ,and used it to kill, or injure other innocent people closeby then everybody would be demanding that the youngster be put in prison. I do not doubt one bit that this youngster made an innocent mistake. I also happen to believe in such innocense. In this case he should have simply been made to sit down, and be verbally scolded for his mistake then asked to PROMISE that in the future he will ask his parents,and a teacher first if he can bring a such an item to school just to show, and tell. I hasten to add that no matter how hard we try, a 6 year old is just that,he/she is not likely to always follow the rules to a T, all the time. They DO forget. I think that when a youngster forgets we need to right then ,and there correct him/her in a loving manner, because I happen to believe that if we are successful in correcting the child such an incident will never happen again by the same youngster. It is all in how we treat the youngster. We can scream, and yell at him/her or we can take the time to show them that we are on their side, but they need to follow the rules. A six year old is a very fragile little person both physically, and mentally. I raised two sons both were taught responsibility from day one. My oldest really didn’t need a lot of supervision. He seemed to always know right from wrong. I always told him that I thought he had made a great decision whenever I noticed something that he had done on his own. Then I would add that he had done a really great job. Then if I found something that needed to be done a little better I would say something like “why don’t we try moving this over there, and see if it will work better there”? Both of my sons are sucessful business men today. My oldest is 53, and his brother is 50. I must have done something right.

  12. Oldsalt77.
    Ever watch “Leave it to Beaver”?

  13. eq……………………………………………
    You are prettymuch right about what you are saying in your comment, but there is an error. Probably an errant finger on the keyboard; the war in Europe was over in 1945, not 1946. No offense, just fact.

  14. The fact public schools have zero tolerance policies to begin with should tell anyone with half a brain to keep their kids out of them.

    That’s if they have the means to keep them out. Otherwise, good luck.

  15. citizenwells // October 12, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    And what a sad commentary on this country. We have an illegal, usurper in the office of the presidency with no state election officials, no electors, no congressmen and no judges stepping up to uphold the US Constitution and vet Obama and a innocent six year old is expelled for proudly displaying his new cub scout knife.

    ‘1984’…………WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH……who would have thought???

  16. oldsalt77 // October 12, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    I’m an ex-teacher and just to let you know, if I’d been in that classroom, I’d have hidden that child’s toy, hidden it, and dealt with the parents later…
    What you’ve expressed in no way has taken into account the ‘common sense’ factor which is what’s wrong with our education and court systems today……and I’ll go even further with the court system, as I said it’s becoming ‘1984’……war is peace,freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength…..and that scares the heck out of me.

  17. I did a search because I could not imagine a pocket knife with a spoon and fork, or how it would work.

    Found at the official scout site:

    Could this have been what Zachery brought to school?

  18. I agree with Old Salt. That kid’s parents should have known that it was his turn for show-and-tell, and exactly what he was bringing. A six year old needs that level of interest and guidence from his parents. Besides, having raised 5 children myself, I cannot imagine a six year old not being excited enough about show-and-tell to not have discussed it with his parents; something is wrong there.

  19. Prairie // October 12, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Question for you or anyone here???

    If the fraud was ever to be taken ‘out’, by legal means or black ops, why hasn’t he been before now??

  20. JJ.
    I am reminded of “1984” everyday.

  21. Once again I say.
    Have you ever watched “Leave it to Beaver”?

  22. I have to agree w/OldSalt on this one. The parents should do the time not the child. He did what any little guy would have done – show off his new cub scout knife to his buddies. It appears the parents didn’t sit him down and teach him the rules and safety that goes with owning such a weapon.

  23. CW……………………………
    That was a pretty good description of my youngest. He was the pill, until I learned what worked with him
    I do agree that the zero tolerance must be enforced by REASONABLE PEOPLE who are willing to TAKE the TIME to meaningfully correct our kids. I don’t advocate beating their butts, or even necessarily grounding them,unless they show me that they are deliberately trying to get away with something. Then I become a very noticeable DI. I am also saying that I believe that the alleged correction was totally misplaced, and wrong. Much of the policy we see in our schools today is the result of youngsters bringing weapons to school, and killing other students, and faculty. I am not sure that such policy is one that we follow where a 6 year old is concerned. Nor do I make comparisons to either of my sons whose conduct I can’t really document as being a 100% product of my own brand of fatherism. I simply imply that the penalty needs to fit the crime, if there was a crime at all. Certainly a 6 year old Cub Scout doesn’t practice what could be called criminal behavior. As I said they DO make mistakes, because they ARE 6 years old. Not 21.

  24. H1N1 watchers – found these two items and thought of some of you discussing this pandemic.

    and then this link –

  25. Well contrast this with what real threats we face ahead and you will see this is typical big government BS!
    It is very likely especially now that we will see the likes of a Beslan event/s break loose due to ongoing Muslim immigration on religious or other BS visas being issued by the State Dept. Osama has promised that this would occur here one day but look where our priorities are?
    I also heard an interview that suggested that nothing short of ARMED teachers will ensure security as was assessed by a professional team.
    The whole attitude of the left is to somehow blame the responsible and upright for the failures of the less advantaged.Remember,rapes in Sweden were blamed on the Swedish women for wearing revealing clothing around Muslims…Whose culture is it anyway?
    I think the young chap should be hailed a hero…if a Beslan event occurred a knife might come in handy.

  26. But I do still feel that the parents should have been paying attention.

  27. Ironic, isn’t it? Kid gets in trouble for bringing a tiny knife to school, but teachers can’t discipline anymore. CORPORAL PUNISHMENT NEEDS TO RETURN TO OUR SCHOOL SAND HOMES! Good, hard spankings worked for thousands of years and now they don’t anymore? This kid gets expelled for nothing, but the real brats aren’t allowed to get their butts whacked anymore? Unbelievable.

  28. CW @ 4:17: yep…it was like watching home movies…my dad was so ‘Ward C’ it was scary…we’d be in stitches.

  29. The best parents in the world cannot prevent every scenario from occuring.
    That is why teachers are there as backup.
    Common sense must rule.
    We have 2 extremes:
    A 6 year old not understanding the significance of bringing something he was proud of
    as being a weapon. That is part of the process. Children have to learn these things.
    Nothing would have been thought of this when I was a child.
    Go back to “Leave it to Beaver” (from my times).
    The schools helped the children (along with the parents) learn that some things are
    acceptable at school & some not.
    Sending a 6 year old home with the possibility of 45 days of reform school
    is the wrong message.

    Obama & thugs getting away with murder.

  30. Magna Carta…………………………………….
    You might think that this is leftist bullsh##. Have you raised any children to adulthood in the real world? I did, and built a successful business as well. It was not easy. FYI I am not a liberal in any sense of the word. I would think that you would know this by now. But I don’t try to change people’s minds, or their viewpoints I just state the facts as I know them, and go on from there. It is for each of us to decide the facts for ourselves, and do whatever we think is appropriate for the situation at hand.

  31. A full historical perspective on pandemics dating back to the early 1900’s – did you know Rockefeller was the founder of the American Medical Association? I didn’t. Did you know Roosevelt became violently ill after receiving a vaccine for another supposed pandemic? I didn’t. – click on “Breaking Stories” scroll to the bottom – right side – click on “The Engineering of Pandemics” by Dr. Ott.

    Any body know anything about this Dr. Ott fellow?

  32. Okay…I’m back.

    Without going into a crazy amount of detail, let’s just say that there were some professional…’entanglements’… with regard to my book and my blog, on the part of cowards. the coast seems to be clear now.

    I’m very appreciative of the support that CW and SueK provided me, as well as the positive response to my work on America’s Right. Jeff Schreiber was very generous to not only bring me on board as a writer but also to even allow me to ‘hang my shingle’, so to speak, with regard to my book on his site. I’ve been lurking the entire time, so I’m not entirely out of the loop.

    Here’s my latest for America’s Right:

  33. Welcome back John!

  34. I still have my Cub Scout knife — and it’s well over 50 years old. I still use it from time to time to open envelopes I can’t open with my fingers.

    The blade is dark, because most of the chrome has warn off, but otherwise it works, and was very well-built.

    I think that if the school confiscated the knife, they should be required to pay for it!

  35. CW said “Go back to “Leave it to Beaver” (from my times).
    The schools helped the children (along with the parents) learn that some things are
    acceptable at school & some not.
    Sending a 6 year old home with the possibility of 45 days of reform school
    is the wrong message.”

    Agree – 45 days is excessive and very authoritarian.

    Disagree – how I’d love the kids raised today to have been able to enjoy the world we did when we were kids, but that’s all changed, sadly. I preferred Andy Griffith, Mayberry and Opey over Beaver. Had a crush on Opey and ended up marrying a fella who looks like him and has a heart of gold and the patience of Jude.

    And I loved school. Couldn’t wait to get there every morning. My elementary and junior high were close so me, and all of the other kids from the neighborhood walked to school. Loved it.

  36. Thanks, CW. For everything.

  37. Old Salt,
    I am with you in a sense I have two kids but I think that our schools need to focus on real security in the new age. The whole system remains unprepared for possible terrorist attack and I believe that with the liberals in charge of our schools and their attitudes against self-defense I am pointing out the irony of a kid who may have had the means to defend himself.I think it was over-reaction by school officials in this instance.It sounds like this particular gadget was a source of pride for the kid who probably got out the door without his parents knowing that it was in his satchel.I do not check my daughter’s backpack every morning.Kids screw up sometimes.

  38. short video Rand – In Defense of Capitalism
    Posted October 12th, 2009 by legalizeliberty

    The brilliant mind of Ayn Rand at work explaining the necessity of capitalism to a truly free society.

  39. In my opinion i feel this is kind of out of hand…I’m a freshman in college and last year as a senior in high school i made the mistake of driving my car to school the day after going on a camping trip without cleaning out my car. It just so happened that day they had a lockdown and searched everywhere around the school. The School officials claimed that the dogs hit on my car. I had a pocket knife from the weekend(with no intent to cause any violence) and i onl got suspended for 3 days. If i was a 18yr old in high school with a real knife and only got suspended for 3 days, theres no reason your Zachary should be anywhere close to 45days as a 6yr old for having eating utencils…

  40. d2i,

    The Rockefeller agenda has touched nearly every facet of our lives both social and scientific.

    Dr. Blaylock, a retired Neurosurgeon, was being interviewed by Alex Jones a while back. During the interview he talked about the Rockefeller’s influence/history in medicine.

    Begins at about 5.25 on this video. It’s interesting history.


  42. God bless Glenn Beck.

  43. Beck makes me want to take up smoking.

  44. London Times Obituary
    of the Late Mr. Common Sense

    Too bad these alleged “scholars” responsible for the day-to-day operation of our schools don’t read this:

    This London Times Obituary of the late Mr. Common Sense is both interesting
    and sadly rather true:
    Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who
    has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was,
    since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He
    will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: Knowing when
    to come in out of the rain; why the early bird gets the worm; Life isn’t
    always fair; and maybe it was my fault.
    Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don’t spend
    more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are
    in charge).
    His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but
    overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy
    charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended
    from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for
    reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.
    Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the
    job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly
    It declined even further when schools were required to get parental
    consent to administer sun lotion or an Aspirin to a student; but could not
    inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
    Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses;
    and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense
    took a beating when you couldn’t defend yourself from a burglar in your own
    home and the burglar could sue you for assault.
    Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
    realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little
    in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.
    Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his
    wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason.
    He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, I Want It Now,
    Someone Else Is To Blame, and I’m A Victim.
    Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If
    you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do


  45. Its funny how the current administration just can’t figure out why so many Americans are terrified of Gub’ment run healthcare or other programs. THIS IS HOW THE GOVERNMENT RUNS! Here we have a proud and happy young boy taking ownership in something he has earned (EARNED …as in not given), and for his accomplishments, we reward him with a 45-day sentence to prison. OK maybe not as we see it, but how would it seem to a 6-year old? And the only response from the School Administration is “The rules are the rules” (roughly translated to I’m not taking ownership, I have nothing invested, I don’s want to think about it, I’m right, and who are you to question me??)

  46. I am not seeing the Obama flag on ebay anymore. Did they officially pull it?

  47. d2i,

    Most physicians abandoned the AMA years ago. So, when you see any “AMA approved” anything, it’s just advertising at it’s best, IMHO.

    The AMA is essentially in the business of medical coding – a system for billing purposes. It’s a business that’s become a bit of a racket. They are always adding new codes every year. As such, new coding books – or I guess now it’s probably electronic format – that THEY just so happen to sell and physicians, hospitals and other health care offices need.

  48. Iceland Shrinks 8% as Prices Increase 11% in Deepest Recession

  49. Sigurdur Einarsson under scrutiny by Icelandic prosecutors for Qatari investment made shortly before bank’s collapse.

    Iceland’s most controversial banker, Sigurdur Einarsson, the former executive chairman of failed bank Kaupthing, has been made an official suspect by fraud prosecutors examining alleged market manipulation relating to an investment in the bank by Qatari royal Sheikh Mohammed Bin Khalifa al-Thani weeks before its collapse a year ago.

    Einarsson, who lives in Chelsea, west London, is thought to be the first head of a major European bank to be formally classed as a criminal suspect since the onset of the credit crisis.

    Full story here:

  50. White House Escalates War of Words With FOX News

  51. Jacqlyn Smith


    citizenwells // October 12, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    God bless Glenn Beck.

    I agree CW….he is one brave soul!!!

  52. Too bad they don’t give swats in school anymore, as that alone would detour 90% of the crap you see today.

    I got caught taking a pocket knife to school “once”; some kid told on me, the teacher sent me to the Principals office,

    I got 5 licks with a wood paddle, that had holes drilled in it ( he didn’t like the air slowing down his swing ).

    I had to grab my ankles, and count them out, 1-2-3-4-5.

    Then he called my Dad, and when my Dad got me home, he gave me 5 more.

    I didn’t take my knives to school anymore.

    I think they should start allowing kids to get swats again in school, it would be a good thing.

    Kids don’t remember that boring ‘talking session’ you give them, but they always remember they couldn’t sit down for two days after that last round of swats!

  53. Linda from NY

    All: As a homeschool parent who had a child in both Catholic School and in the public school system before I began homeschooling, I can tell you no matter where your child goes to school the buck stops with you, the parent. Even though teachers, counselors, and school administrators tell you they want to secure a partnership with you, the parent, are ultimately responsible for what your child does or does not do until that child is 21. If you know there is a “zero tolerance” rule, then it is up to you to instill it in your child and make sure you check your child’s “carry on baggage” before that child enters the school, which by the way, is where you lose authority over that child. You have agreed to leave your child in their care, and that child must obey the authority that is acting in your stead. Because I did not believe the “school” authorities were as capable of caring, educating, and watching over my child as I was, I removed her from their “authority.” Oh, yes, I did have a very “heated” discussion about it, too, before I made the decision to discontinue our “partnership” [as they call it] and homeschool my daughter.
    I have to agree with oldsalt77. It is the parent’s responsibility to make sure his/her child not only respects authority, but also abides by the rules. This cannot be emphasized enough. As a parent, you are ultimately responsible for whatever that child does or does not do until he/she is 21.
    I do believe, however, the punishment was far too harsh considering Zach’s age but I also believe Zach must be punished, and he must be made to understand the seriousness of his “mistake” and not made to feel like he is a “criminal.” I refer to this incident as a “mistake” because I believe Zach is not to blame.

  54. First, I would like to say I would have been
    “imprisoned” too—my Brownie/Girl Scout
    knife was a proud possession. I used to spend
    days on end carving twigs and even tried to
    carve a clarinet reed when I was older (if fact
    my carved reed is still in my clarinet case!)

    What happened to this child is horrendous.
    Zachary is right—he didn’t do anything
    wrong, and 45 days in a reform school would
    prove nothing. Support Zachary and
    let the school district know they have made
    “another” mistake.

  55. OT To: LindaNY—
    Also, wasn’t it in Ohio some 230,000 registrations were passed on by the SOS, and the court did nothing to require scrutiny? Just asking
    Didn’t get to post on the last thread, but, yes,
    Ohio’s SOS Jennifer Brunner is “a piece of
    work”—politically biased and turned a
    blind eye about lots of election “irregularities.”
    Voter fraud, ACORN running rampant,
    precincts allowed to remain “open” beyond
    the allotted time period (Cleveland and
    Toledo) while in Southern Ohio even though
    there was flooding precincts were not permitted an extension. Brunner refused to look into
    any allegations of voter/registration fraud.
    She needs to be REMOVED.

  56. CW……………………………………………
    In no way do I disagree with your anger towards the extremely innappropriate treatment of the six year old. The problem lies with those who enforce the alleged rules. Rules are great if there is a little latitude built into them,and they are enforced with reason. But as soon as we build latitude into the rules somebody takes advantage of it, and perpetrates a schoolhouse crime. I for one can see the reasons why the school officials no longer will deal with the alleged crimes individually. Instead they now use a blanket rule that covers every crime possible. ZERO TOLERANCE. By the way who was it that brought on these numbskull rules. Who was it that done the several classroom massacres. Those schools DIDN’T HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE before the incidents took place at their schools. But it is only a matter of time until a school with a ZERO TOLERANCE experiences a massacre. Then I guess the school boards will have to think up some other perceived cure all. I don’t think that home schooling is necessarily the answer. Not everyone has the resources for such effort. I agree though, if somehow everyone could home school their kids, the SAT scores would definitely show it. It is proven fact that scholastically the kids do much better. So far we havn’t had any real situations in our Fort Wayne Public School System,but that doesn’t mean that we won’t have any trouble. For the last two school years the SAT score have been rising. I think that it is too early to call it a trend. I think we need a couple more years of SATs going up ,then we can call it a trend. Interestingly last year one of our city high schools graduated a MEXICAN valdictorian. He is attending Notradame now.
    I attended grade school from 1938-1947. Many of our teachers were not even liscenesed. They were farmer’s wives, etc. Yet I believe that we all received an excellent grade schooling. I attended a County operated country school having 8 classrooms radially arranged around a common space which was used for a gymnasium,auditorium,and general assembly point. Each morning all school children were herded into the auditorium where the principal first required the Pledge of Allegiance outloud from everyone, including all 8 teachers. We then were treated to a 5 minute sermon from the principal relating to whatever he felt needed to be mentioned. Sometimes it was right out of the Bible, and other times it was about some upcoming activities at the school,followed with the Bible. I graduated from this grade school in 1947. This school also had a Boy Scout troop which met each week in the assembly area in the early evening hours. It was difficult to always get to the meetings, because there was gasoline rationing going on then. Somehow I always managed to get to the meetings. I still remember the 12 words that a scout should be. Trustworthy,loyal, helpful,friendly ,courteous,kind obedient,cheerful thrifty brave clean, and reverent,and in that order. As we all matured our thoughts were not always on these words. I drifted away from strict adherance to this and finally a few months ago I found it necessary to return to church. I had finally drifted too far from where I wanted to be. Most of you know the “rest of the story”.
    I missed most of the Leave it to Beaver series. In those days I was nursing a fledgeling commercial Printing company,end worked from about 6:30 AM until around 8:00PM. In those days there was ME,MY WIFE MY LAWYER(business associate)and two employees. Three nights a week I attended Business school until 10;00 PM I done this for four years then again for another two years. In addition I raised two sons. I often wondered how much a humen could do if only we had four arms, and a head that would continuously revolve like a radar antenna.

  57. CW–
    Sending a 6 year old home with the possibility of 45 days of reform school is the wrong message.

    Obama & thugs getting away with murder

    Your entire message upposted above is
    spot on!

  58. Amen, The South. No discipline today. I raised three sucessful children with rules, strictness and (Gasp!) the occassional spanking. My sister, on the other hand, let her kids run wild and now they’re all screw-ups. Both of em need to be put over her knee, but she won’t do it. Not sure how I feel about spankings in school, but I think Im for it.

  59. One time when I was in like the 8th grade, which back then they called Jr. high, I had to live with my nieces in a small town for a while and the school that I went to was kind of out in a country area. Well, I don’t really think that I should call it a Jr. High. There was a lot younger people there.

    Anyway, on my first day in P.E., the P.E. teacher called all of the girls out into the gym, and told every one of us that we were going to get one lick. The larger town that I was previously from in going to Jr. high, only the boys got licks. Not the girls, but if the girls got in trouble, they could be suspended or whatever.

    This P.E. teacher said that she had told everyone that if she had found one wet towel on the floor, that unless no one claimed it (before I came), that everyone would get licks regardless.

    Actually everyone knew who had done it that I had found out later, which was some black girls that later bragged on it. Still my first day, I didn’t know what the heck! But right in front of the gym, to which the boys were standing around, we all got one lick. Yep, it hurt and it was embarrassing too. I thought it was kind of strange to make everyone get one when only a couple of girls did it. I guess that she was trying to force the other girls out to admit it, but that didn’t work at all. Yep, it didn’t work. All the girls in P.E. I found out that day knew who did it, but the girls who did it, didn’t speak out.

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  61. Connie Lockwood

    Where is the justice for OUR CHILDREN !!! There is NO GRAY AREA ONLY ONE SIDED JUSTICE. I support you and your child 100% , I’ve been there myself. ZERO TOLERANCE IS A JOKE. This is a child, has everyone forgotton what it’s like to be a CHILD ?

  62. And you wonder why kids aren’t learning….

    How can they when the schools are run by idiots and fools?

  63. Kittycat,

    Do you think school should be allowed to use the paddle today? Do you have any kids?


    seems to be the sociological norm now.

    Look at the laws being passed by our government now. The hate crimes bill comes to mind, shutting down talk radio and the list goes on. It’s for everyone else BUT the government.

    I remember when you could call a creditor and ask for a few days extension on your payment without being penalized. Now, if you pay online and it’s posted after 12:00 noon the day it’s due, you are assessed a ridiculous late fee. They don’t care what your situation is.

    Or, when you drove 5-10 miles over the speed limit the friendly officer would allow for human error. No more!

    This zero tolerance mindset is reminiscent of totalitarian governments we all abhore. Zero tolerance breeds robots. What happened to the idea of pulling the boy aside and having a heart to heart chat with him? Unless, of course, he was previously warned or had a “rap sheet.”

  65. The South @ 5:58:
    in jr. high boys gym class the coach would use your on ‘tennis shoe’ (black and white Converse All-stars were the trendy choice back then)…sometimes even wet them…yeow.
    few, even the tough guys, could resist the tears.
    Not many ever needed a ‘second lesson’.

    An old ‘school marm’ was asked if she had a ‘discipline problem’ at her one-room schoolhouse. She sternly replied,
    “Oh: we have discipline…but we don’t have any problems!”

  66. typo…”you own…shoe…”

  67. Wow! True confessions!

  68. someone once said “while it is true mistakes can be good if you learn from them; it is wisdom to learn from someone else’s.”

    only sayin’: when I saw a friend get his All-star smartly applied to his back side…I knew not to make the mistake he did.

  69. To that child a normal 6 year old BOY, this was his cub scout knife. I doubt very much he knows the meaning of the word violence nor weapon. This a utensil that you use in the woods when you go camping. 45 days suspension on a 6 year old. He wasn’t even born when Columbine happened. I know how the nuns would have handled it. Zach give me the utensil, lock in a drawer and a meeting with the parents.
    I remember when my brothers and I were that age building tree forts near the woods. We decided to try to start a fire Indian style by rubbing a stick with a rock. Unluckily for us a big wind came up just as our spark ignited. Who knew that one mother could spank 20 kids at one time. After that grounded for the rest of summer, and punishments (work detail). Some punishments you never forget. Live and learn in our case the hard way.
    Weapons kids have access to in school-rubber bands especially the thick ones. Take it from me held against the skin and snapped can hurt. Kids can shoot things across the room with them too-slingshots. In other words the most innocent things can be used as a weapon. Words, the kids that bully one another. I just think in this case it was taken way too far out on the other side.
    This from the group that has difficulty understanding our Constitution.
    I love it when children our curious, that is how they learn. They just need to be instructed how to do it safely.
    Boys they have to take things to the extreme-it sure looks like fun.

  70. Harriet Himmler

    What a bunch if idiots. I can not believer that this school is going to put this 6yr old in a reform school. This is unreal. I hope we make sure this does not h appen

  71. Zero Tolerance,

    another example is the restrictions on the number of children China allows – only 2. And, if they have more than 2 we all know what the penalty is? Zero tolerance.

    Maybe we should just behead this little boy and be done with it? That’s how absurd this situation is.

  72. John Feeny // October 12, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Hi John! Welcome home! 🙂

  73. Kittykat…………………………………..
    The sort of discipline you are talking about is really designed to anger innocent people who will then do the corrections that the teacher for what ever reason would not do. This same strategy used to be used by military DIs in BOOT CAMP. There is a little difference though, it was done to cause the rest of the company to suffer for what one person allegedly done. This usually resulted in the person who messed up be ing subjected to a little extra cirricular, training administered his peers. There was such entities as BLANKET PARTIES,and a host of others. Often this sort of discipline led to recruits going “over the hill”from boot camp. This is in part what the discipline is designed to do.It is for the purpose of weeding out those who might do the same thing under fire, and cause a lot of people to lose their lives. I can understand anyone being scared when under fire from an enemy. You would be abnormal if you were not scared. I was afraid that one of the ditched ADs that we pulled pilots out of before they sank would suddenly go under and I would get hung up on a part of the airplane, and get a trip to the bottom of the ocean. We were so busy doing the job that we didn’t have time to think much about it. We lost a few,but it wasn’t because we didn’t try. Some of the ADs were so badly damaged that they sunk immedsiately upon hitting the water. There was absolutely no way anyone could have saved a shot up pilot in such circumstances.

  74. Uncovered Video: Obama Leads SEIU Chant After Vowing to ‘Paint the Nation Purple’

  75. You Decide

    Did School Officials Go Too Far?

    First grader Zachary Christie was recently suspended for bringing a Cub Scout camping utensil with him to school. The utensil combines a fork, spoon and a knife into one tool and Christie wanted to use it at lunchtime. His school has a “zero-tolerance” policy on weapons and the camping tool violates the district’s rule. He is facing 45 days in the district’s reform school. Did school officials go too far?

  76. LM-Interesting video bragging about being involved with 2 of the most corrupt organizations ever ACORN, SEIU. The denials ought to be interesting.

  77. howdy, Professor.

  78. kittycat,

    Actually everyone knew who had done it that I had found out later, which was some black girls that later bragged on it.

    Identifying the color of these girls was not pertinent to the facts of your story.

  79. Ladyhawke-I do not see one word that says knife in the description.
    Use this convenient utensil set in the backcountry or just on your weekend picnic! Set includes a fork, large diameter soupspoon, bottle opener, and can opener. Utensils measure 6.5” fully opened and fold down to 3.5” for compact storage in the low-profile ballistic nylon carrying case included. Attach the case to Scout web belt, backpack shoulder strap, or waist belt of your fanny pack for quick and easy access! Case has a Velcro closure flap and features an embroidered BSA® logo.

  80. Federal Reserve Exposed on Real Time w/ Bill Maher

  81. Linda from NY

    Michelle: Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe children are permitted to bring ANY “eating utensils” to school.

  82. Little G // October 12, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Hi Little G and welcome.

    Your comments were spot on! What you say is exactly the problem with a ‘zero tolerance’ policy-no leeway for a child like this who is proud of his new status as a Cub Scout.

    Something really wrong, here!

  83. Linda from NY

    Sue K: Please check out what JeffM wrote in the second Open Thread on 10/12/09 at 11:13 AM.

    Would very much appreciate your input! I have no idea about what he is talking. Thanks.

  84. #

    JJ // October 12, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Prairie // October 12, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Question for you or anyone here???

    If the fraud was ever to be taken ‘out’, by legal means or black ops, why hasn’t he been before now??

    By July 2008, I had figured out, no provision of any law requires any state official to vet the nominee from the major political party; and the DNC, being a private club, can nominate anyone it wants. And a year ago last August, I was advising people who were concerned that BO was not a NBC, to file challenges with their elections officials, where such challenges were allowed, to keep his name off their state ballots. Few people listened. Back then, people were still frantically contacting the FEC with their complaints he was not a NBC; I was posting as many links to the mission statement of the FEC – to monitor campaign spending – as to state ballot laws. Then, attorneys and others began filing court cases, even though, again, back in August 2008, when Berg first filed his case, I warned people, this was no solution as Plaintiffs had no standing and the court had no jurisdiction. I also pointed out, since no law requires official vetting, mandamus was out of the question. Few people listened. Seeking to help the lawyers, I devised a way to gain standing in federal court, simultaneously asking citizens to file election fraud complaints with their state officials. Finally, I drafted ‘formal’ complaints, but I am still struggling to find filers; or to get citizens from states that might be applicable to getting these complaints, to look up the law in their states, offering to draft and post complaints for them, too.

    I have been doing this work for a year and a half. At this point, I believe my complaints for election fraud provide a viable means to redress what I believe was a faulty election. And because I believe so much in this means for redress, I have sacrificed more time than I can afford to work on the project. So, I put a paypal button on my blog, to try to make up some of the losses I incurred working for the benefit of others. People don’t use it. Why should they, when they can download the work for free?

    People seem to prefer believing in messiahs and saviors than in their own hard work. When that attitude changes, that is, when people understand they get the government they work for, we can easily unseat BO. There are so many more of ‘us’ than there are of ‘him.’

  85. In Tn, I don’t know about Ky, the parents are asked to attend the spanking…my great-nephew was coming down a staircase, threw a folder at a student, hit the principal in the face…he had a choice of several punishments and chose the spanking.

  86. Consider this – a different perspective of zero tolerance – successful people that BROKE THE RULES. Think of where we’d be now if no one broke the rules of science, design, and business, etc….

    At the end of his autobiography, Made in America, Sam Walton wrote that the most important rule in business is to break all the rules.

  87. This is just one of many symptoms of a socialization of the school system in America.

    Doesn’t it all fit together with other indoctrination videos that we have seen over the years.

    Why has public schooling reached this stage of deterioration and level of disappointment in the eyes of practically everyone? The reason is one that most Americans feel uncomfortable admitting: the public school system has failed because it is a system of socialist education. And, as a result, it has manifested all the symptoms and consequences that have usually been observed in all other examples of socialist enterprises.

  88. jbjd…….at 8:49 pm………..when do we say enough is enough…
    Prayers for over a year are not helping..contacting electors in Ky. a waste of time also…senators giving stupid computer generated letters are insulting….I know we’re tired, we feel battered, and that is exactly what ‘they’ want……….but I am one stubborn, hard-headed little woman and will fight even if all I can do is alert others, and I pray I will till this is resolved.

    “the will of God will not take us where the grace of God will not protect us”

  89. Linda from NY

    jbjd: I feel your pain and disappointment. There are many reasons why people do not come forward as I am sure you are well aware. However, I do believe your work will bear fruit. You are so gifted and so wise; some appreciate that gift, some are jealous of it, and some think you are just a smart a**. Whatever happens to bring down the Fraud will be a combination of all that has been attempted as we learn from our mistakes. I have been praying people will come forward and help with your effort and will continue to do so. I, for one, admire your fortitude, your insight, and your lightening swift mind. Thank you for all you have done in the past and continue to do to help…I appreciate it greatly!


  90. Linda from NY-I went to Catholic school, we brought lunch in a brown paper bag. No cafeteria’s.

  91. Yes, DAV, you are exactly right

    with this kind of extreme punishment for such a small infraction it instills fear in the hearts and minds of these wee folks. They will be afraid to even think outside the box, color outside the lines, push any limits…our society will continue to suffer at the hands of this mindset.

    JJ was spot on about how best to handle this.

    More zero tolerance examples – red light cameras, tattle tale neighborhood squads, children taught to report on their parents…

  92. JJ – have you looked at Kentucky’s state code to learn whether federal/constitutional requirements are stated before a POTUS candidate can get on the general election ballot? If not, I’d encourage you to do this asap, send it to jbjd and get her opinion if Ky is one of those states a complaint can be filed in.

  93. Obama Communism Billboard Surfaces

    Barack Obama Communism Billboard Surfaces in Missouri (01:53)

  94. Linda from NY,

    Your comments will buoy me now and in rough times ahead.

    Thank you.

  95. Well it does seem a bit harsh but I do not blame the school. they could back off now that they know.

    But I find it interesting that the mother said he eats with it all the time but it happened to fall out of his bag???? If he ate with it all the time I’m sure this would have been noted at lunch a long time ago. Lets face should not have been there. But schoolboard really now???

  96. Linda from NY-jbjd-I don’t think jbjd is a smart a$$, she’s just plain smart, well educated and tenacious as hell. I know she has done a lot of research and hard work, but jbjd is very subtle in her work, you have to get it. I think she must have been very frustrated with her canary in the mine thing when people weren’t listening or understanding. She knew then what was coming, which just makes all the work that much harder but still doable.

  97. Greetings, jbjd:

    I’m sure that you’re probably interested in finding out the truth, right? I’m glad that you’re into it, but I’ve noticed a lot of people more interested into “their stuff” than into the truth. I think for once that it would be nice for others to lay aside their whatever differences and just seek for the same goal.

    jbjd, here’s my answer to you worrying about people stealing your work. Don’t put it out, period. Just stop doing it. There are a whole lot of people here working for one goal and one goal only like Leo is, who BTW, says, take all of my stuff and post it to spread the word, the one-goal thing is this: If you’re for finding out about the fraud, then do so. If not, quit posting your stuff for people who are interested to borrowing your ideas. This is so simple, honestly.

    I can’t believe you waste so much time accusing others of your “ideas” when so much is at stake.


    While I understand zero tolerance, how many people know that this is not a picket knife, it is a silverware knife. Many of the supporters of this supension cite cub scout regualtions on preventing youth his age from having pocket knives. And this boy Scout policy is a valid one. However, this is cutlery. Questions that I have are 1) does the school provide cutlery in its lunchroom and 2) what is alternative punishment/school for a six year old first grader?

    Having spent thousands of hours volunteering in elemtnary schools and working with school boards, I highly doubt that there is a paid teacher to provide the needed education this child will need while he is suspended from his maintstream class. This will put him farther behind and potentially lead to additional stigma when he rejoins his class in 45 days. Further, if cutlery is provided or allowed in the lunchroom, then this “knife” does not violate the district’s principles. In fact, the fork in this set is more dangerous as a poking item than the knife.

    As for the superintendent’s comments, that is his legal counsels statement. Do not believe for a second otherwise. Any injury to a student is a liability and thus any statement made that appears to contradict the stated/written district policies will open the district to lawsuits as long as the policy is in place.

    Again, before eveyone blames the parent,look at the district circumstances. If it is like the other four school districts we have lived in the past six years, cutlery (both plastic and metal) are in use in the cafeterias.

  99. d2i

    Kentucky has been looked at before and can not file complaint. Be great with 63% voting againt the Fraud in 08!

  100. jbjd

    Just go kick some ass!!

  101. Michelle, I believe that jbjd is smart too. But that’s not the thing right now. She needs to conceal her work and keep it away from others who want the truth or quit griping about it being “stolen.” Which if you’re quoting something, I don’t know how they can accuse you of stealing something when you’re attributing it to that person.

    And what the heck is the goal here anyway?

    It is my honest opinion that we have too many selfish people to ever accomplish anything in this country. I’m not talking about jbjd either here. I’m talking about America.

  102. Michelle,

    Yes, still ‘doable.’ Absolutely doable. Otherwise, I would not be devoting my resources to the job. It’s so simple; but even when I first expressed the thought in the summer of 2008, I failed to appreciate how true it was. That is, if we who have been looking cannot find evidence BO is a NBC, then no one else could, either. And BO, in his hubris, ‘proved’ this was right.

    Thank you for more psychic benefits; they help.

  103. LM // October 12, 2009 at 9:13 pm
    Obama Communism Billboard Surfaces
    Barack Obama Communism Billboard Surfaces in Missouri (01:53)
    This exemplifies the spirit of Missouri, the SHOW ME State, a red state that did not give it’s electoral votes to Obama the Fraud.

  104. Rocknee – that’s too bad. Ky would be a great state to be able to file in. Thanks for the info.

  105. jbjd

    BTW , I received an email from some conservative site with your work copied from the CFP site, with a J.B.Williams as the author.

    Thought you’d like to know……..

  106. kittycat,

    People who blame me for objecting that work I posted which could help solve the problem, is stolen by others who have no idea what they are doing, are part of the problem. If people stopped endorsing this theft of my work; or stopped frequenting blogs that steal my work; or stopped asking me to hide my solutions because charlatans steal this work and dilute it for self-aggrandizement; and instead, if they started asking others to read my work, and understand how state government is supposed to work, and learn how to use existing state laws and government officials to resolve this problem then, we would have made much more progress.

    People who steal my work don’t want a well-informed electorate any more than BO and his accomplices want us to know what we are doing, either. Hyperbolic headlines increase contributions to the ‘publication’ but don’t leave the citizen any better off than before. That’s the proof, we don’t all want the same thing.

    Get it?

  107. jbjd,

    I think the reason more people don’t/can’t grasp what you are trying to say in some of your opinions/convictions, is because you write way over the average Joes head.

    Dumb down your explanations a bit, so the average high school graduate can understand what you’re saying.

    Also: Don’t write such long drawn out explanations, and space your work out more.

    Like this

    and this

    and so on, and so on,

    and finally the punch line: Now we have Obama by the short hairs, and this case will nail the coffin shut!

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but a lot of times when I start to read your posts, because they are over my head, and full of legal jiberish, they start to look like this, and I just go right to the next comment.


    They just won’t read it; you’re speaking French, and we don’t understand.

    I know you’re well spoken, and well written, but not everyone will follow you.

    I know you don’t need my I’m trying to bring you down a notch, so that everyone will pay more attention to your writings.

    Just my opinion, not at all attacking you jbjd, just trying to help you get past the frustration of not being heard.

    Notice how my sentences/paragraphs are spread out more than they should be? It keeps people reading, because they see a light at the end of tunnel, and can’t wait to see what’s in the next sentence.

    Maybe it will help, and maybe it won’t. That being said, I as well as all CW’ers appreciate the work you’ve done.

  108. d2i, but see, of course, rocknee already knew about KY; JJ still didn’t answer your question.

    Army DAV, did you set them straight?

  109. jbjd-Sometimes people don’t appreciate what they have until a storm hits. My family is in construction, actually I grew up in it. When I first moved to Florida from Illinois I had no idea what a Hurricane was. So that was the year Andrew hit. Homestead and many other area’s down south were devastated that is leveled, much was blamed on the storm until…..they found 50-60 homes built by Habitats for Humanity (built by neophytes) one sustained minimal damage. This showed that the construction methods,materials, graft etc. were total garbage. Florida now has the strictest building codes in the union. They had been stapling on roofs. I remember the guys in Illinois driving those nails in. Tin roofs are making a big come back in the South. What I’m getting at is the fine work someone does is not always visible, but when a terrible storm comes up and the structure is still standing you appreciate the good work that was done to preserve the integrity of a building, or in this storm the Constitution.
    jbjd you know you do good work I guess “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”, except I know that when they “steal from the best” they don’t do it correctly and that would drive me nuts too and you know the direction you are trying to herd this information.

  110. We are ignoring lessons learned by our ancestors. This zero tolerance is just a symptom of a deeper problem. Reactionary, emotional rules and our pitiful inability to trust our own judgement has led to a law, rule, governed society that ignores compassion and common sense, thinking the letter of the law replaces fairness.

  111. LM // October 12, 2009 at 9:13 pm
    Obama Communism Billboard Surfaces
    Barack Obama Communism Billboard Surfaces in Missouri (01:53


    I wonder how that woman reporter would feel about trading her mike in on a mop, like many did in Venezuela.

  112. jbjd

    Yes maam,,,absolutely….

  113. ************** NEW POST UP *************

  114. The South 9:49 pm,

    I agree with you completely about the presentation of one’s posts. In fact I had the same idea of posting those suggestions: both about simplifying one’s area of expertise and secondly to space one’s work out.

    Succinct language in common terms is difficult, but as the volume of written material increases, it becomes essential.

    Something I learned long ago: if you cannot communicate complex ideas to the common man than you do not have a fine enough grasp of the subject matter at hand, no matter the area of expertise.

  115. Michelle: I never said I thought jbjd was a smart a**. I said some people think she is. She has the incredible ability to see through the murky waters and sift through the nonsense to get to the “meat” and the “heart” of the matter. People have been less than supportive of her efforts for whatever reason. Michelle, you are well aware I have belonged to her “fan club” for quite some time. I hope you didn’t think for one minute I was not.

    Thanks for your understanding.

  116. jbjd,

    Please just talk to us as humans. I get to listen to lawyers day in and day out and have to edit court transcripts and such. When it comes to this, meaning the Obama saga, please just treat us as human beings and Americans wanting to know the truth.

    Also, if you don’t want your work out, don’t put it out, and this way it won’t get so-called “stolen.” Are you trying to tell everyone that you don’t want people quoting you? Well, whatever. There is much to much going on right now to just worry about “your work.” I’m not trying to make it less than what it is. It probably is important, but there’s a lot of important stuff going on that people aren’t sitting around worrying about “their work.”

    I’m sorry, I don’t mean to make light of your work.

  117. Venice @ 10:01 said,

    Something I learned long ago: if you cannot communicate complex ideas to the common man than you do not have a fine enough grasp of the subject matter at hand, no matter the area of expertise.

    This is a very good point! You must be able to explain why x+y is nothing more than x+y.

  118. The South—
    Hi! You aren’t attacking the French are you?
    (I love the French language). I know what you
    mean, seriously, for the non-legal (self included)
    it is difficult to follow thoughts of the legal

  119. Maddie,

    Not at all attacking the French, just pointing out that most Americans don’t understand French.

    So don’t speak it (French/Legalese) if you’re trying to get them to understand something.

  120. jbjd:

    You’re kidding, right? Identifying the color of someone? This happened so way back when. I’m 56 now. What darn difference does it make identifying the color of someone? Heck, I’m white. Would it matter if I said “those white gals”?

    I’m not pc. Maybe you are but i’m not and I’m not a RACIST either! This color identification fetish has to go away in this country because people need a way to identify each other. If you can’t say someone is some color, how can you identify someone? This is just flat stupid.

  121. Look, jbhd, I’m of the human race, so what race are you?

  122. jbjd: Why don’t you just launch your own case with your own work? Find a client that applies and go ahead if you are a lawyer. Why not, then your work is safe. Just a thought.

  123. Of course this becomes a racial issue. I am sure that if he was not white the circumstance would be different. He is in first grade!!! There really are some kids that need reform school- not a innocent 1st grader. What if it was your kids? Think about the lesson he already learned by adult ignorance.

  124. Yes Zachery should have been suspended. The school has a no tolerance policy. The parents should have checked the childs bag. I have children that age and I check them everyday. Little boys are just that. The sneak toys and everything away from the house. I find all types of things in my children’s book bags. I don’t think that the school should go back on their policy. That would say to other children that they can bring it as long as they say it is there favorite camping gear or toy. The parents should have monitored the child better. I have a 7 year old and a 4 year old that are both in school. I know how it is. I feel sorry for him but I think the decision should stand. IF this had been a 12 or 15 year old would we be saying the same thing? What is it were a child that was a little more rough looking and not clean cut, would the same apply?

  125. WOW! a 6 year old in reform school for doing something he didn’t know he was doing! what a bunch of idiots! he didn’t know what he was doing! He wanted to eat him lunch with his fork, knife, and spoon all in one! Students sometimes bring knifes to school to eat their lunch! What’s the difference!?

  126. Kirbyjane Welles

    Lets re-define “zero tolerance”! For God’s sake, even the governments’ laws have bi-laws, and ordinances of exceptions. The phrase “zero tolernance” need to be read with a liberal tense in this case. Especially for a six year old! Did you have such a thing when you were in elementary school?! The conduct clause never mentioned utility tool – which is what it was, and Zackery used it for. Furthermore, I don’t believe Zackery had any clue that it was so wrong. DROP THE CHARGE – LET THE BOY STAY SCHOOL SO HE CAN GET ON HIS EDUCATION AND BE WITH HIS FRIENDS! I know he enjoys being home schooled, but give him the choice. Not the socialistic sentence of attendance to a school for juvenal delinqents that was handed down. What about having this on his record?
    I hope the school board is proud of themselves – as smug as they feel in their misguided stupidity. Zack, you sounded so polite and sophisticated on NBC morning show. You’re intellient enough not to let this bother you. Zero tolerance my A**!

  127. John P Citizen

    1) NO prudent parent would give a 6 yr old boy a KNIFE – regardless whether it has a spoon, fork or passifier – it’s just stupid thing to do as parent – cub scout or no cub scout.

    2) I think it is unfortunate that the boy will “do time” in reform school for the callus acts of the parents who bought him the knife and let him take it to school.

    3) Any exceptions to the rule would completely circumvent the policy to prevent discrimination. If a black kid came to school with a knife, and said he wasn’t intending to use the knife but only the spoon and fork, would he get the same treatment?

    4) Solution should be reform school for the parents in lieu of the minor who obviously was put in a bad situation do to parents irresponsible judgement.

  128. Is this the WORST crime in Newark DE?
    Do they have nothing else that is more important to deal with? Make sure you round up all those youngsters with sharpened pencils while you are at it.
    What an embarasssment.

  129. I think that the 6 yr old was doing what any other kid his age would have done. old77 get a real life. I have kids and they are going to do things that makes us parents forever be on the jumping edge. Get a life and get off this kid and his parents

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