*** Did Wikipedia scrub this quote on May 12, 2009? ***
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Norman Mattoon Thomas
Leading American socialist
Six time Socialist Party of America presidential candidate
Norman Thomas, 1962
From a 1944 Norman Thomas speech:
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.
But, under the name of “liberalism”,
they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program,
until one day America will be a socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened.”
“I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party.
The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”
*** I did not get the quote from Wikipedia originally, but I did read it there before writing this article. It was there approx 1 and 1/2 hours ago. I just checked and it is not there. Did Wikipedia scrub the quote? ***
Citizen WElls 
Isn’t that the truth. 90% of the idiots who voted for Obama have no idea what they have done to America.
Zach
I put your post up just now. Great work! Zach
Thanks Zach.
You’re welcome.
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Sick.
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I just checked Wikipedia and they no longer have the quote.
I often use Wikipedia to corroborate material and the quote was there before I
posted the article about Norman Thomas with the quote.
CW, I have seen that quote before on the internet. Type in the first line in the google search box and you may be able to find it elsewhere. Forget Wiki. When it comes to anything that may damage the Dems they scrub away.
Thanks Zach.
I have seen it elsewhere
Wiki states the Norman Thomas info page was “last updated March 12, 2009”. Yes, they scrubbed it.
Herewith the economic planks of the Socialist party platform of 1928, along with an indication in parenthesis of how these planks have fared. The list that follows includes every economic plank, but not the full language of each.1
1. “Nationalization of our natural resources, beginning with the coal mines and water sites, particularly at Boulder Dam and Muscle Shoals.” (Boulder Dam, renamed Hoover Dam, and Muscle Shoals are now both federal government projects.)
2. “A publicly owned giant power system under which the federal government shall cooperate with the states and municipalities in the distribution of electrical energy to the people at cost.” (Tennessee Valley Authority.)
3. “National ownership and democratic management of railroads and other means of transportation and communication.” (Railroad passenger service is completely nationalized through Amtrak. Some freight service is nationalized through Conrail. The FCC controls communications by telephone, telegraph, radio, and television.)
4. “An adequate national program for flood control, flood relief, reforestation, irrigation, and reclamation.” (Government expenditures for these purposes are currently in the many [non-adjusted] billions of dollars.)
5. “Immediate government relief of the unemployed by the extension of all public works and a program of long range planning of public works …” (In the 1930s, WPA and PWA were a direct counterpart; now, a wide variety of other programs are.) “All persons thus employed to be engaged at hours and wages fixed by bona-fide labor unions.” (The Davis-Bacon and Walsh-Healey Acts required contractors with government contracts to pay “prevailing wages,” generally interpreted as highest union wages.)
6. “Loans to states and municipalities without interest for the purpose of carrying on public works and the taking of such other measures as will lessen widespread misery.” (Federal grants in aid to states and local municipalities currently total [non-adjusted] tens of billions of dollars a year.)
7. “A system of unemployment insurance.” (Part of Social Security system)
8. “The nation-wide extension of public employment agencies in cooperation with city federations of labor.” (U.S. Employment Service and affiliated state employment services administer a network of about 2,500 [in 1980] local employment offices.)
9. “A system of health and accident insurance and of old age pensions as well as unemployment insurance.” (Part of Social Security system.)
10. “Shortening the workday” and “Securing to every worker a rest period of no less than two days in each week.” (Legislated by wages and hours laws that require overtime for more than forty hours of work per week.)
11. “Enacting of an adequate federal anti-child labor amendment.” (Not achieved as amendment, but essence incorporated in various legislative acts.)
12. “Abolition of the brutal exploitation of convicts under the contract system and substitution of a cooperative organization of industries in penitentiaries and workshops for the benefit of convicts and their dependents.” (Party achieved, partly not.)
13. “Increase of taxation on high income levels, of corporation taxes and inheritance taxes, the proceeds to be used for old age pensions and other forms of social insurance.” (In 1928, highest personal income tax rate, 25 percent; in 1978, 70 percent; in 1928, corporate tax rate, 12 percent; in 1978, 48 percent; in 1928, top federal estate tax rate, 20 percent; in 1978, 70 percent.)
14. “Appropriation by taxation of the annual rental value of all land held for speculation.” (Not achieved in this form, but property taxes have risen drastically.)
Source(s):
http://libertarianmajority.net/socialist…
Not surprising. They’ve been scrubbing data for years. Recently they’ve been scrubbing Soetoro’s information, including the removal of Factcheck.org’s statements on him being a British citizen at birth.
It’s no different than what the encyclopedia companies have been doing since the 1920’s.
This is amazing. Watch Reagan debate Obama concerning how America will slip into socialism. He speaks of the Thomas quote around 1:25. He then addresses how easy it is to slip into socialism through medicine and much much more.
You HAVE to see this video….and pass it on.
Reagan predicts the future….which is upon us…and listen to what he says as the video then shows the outright lies of the Usurper FROM HIS OWN MOUTH
Oh how I miss the sanity of Reagan.
Luv this quote:
The only important difference between Nazi-ism, Fascism,
Communism, Socialism and Liberalism is the spelling, and
that the last group hasn’t got the brains to figure it out.
– Bill Vance
Of course they scrubbed it!! They work for Obama, as does Google, Youtube, Yahoo, My Space and Twitter!
You can go “discuss” it in the history section, but even that discussion may get erased.
NOW GOOGLE WANTS TO PUT EVERY BOOK IN DIGITIZED FORMAT
WHAT EASIER WAY TO REWRITE HISTORY?
READ #31-
THE DEMOCRAT PARTY’S MANIFESTO –
1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by lack of Federal funding.
2. You have to believe that the school system that can’t teach a fourth grader how to read is some how the best qualified to teach those same children all about sex.
3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law abiding Americans, are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese communists.
4. You have to believe there was no art before Federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth’s climate, and more affected by Americans driving SUVs.
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being homosexual is natural.
7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.
8. You have to believe that business creates oppression and governments create prosperity.
9. You have to believe that hunters don’t care about nature, but loony activists from Seattle do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe that the U.S. Military, not evil and tyrannical regimes, start wars.
12. You have to be lieve the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee, or Thomas Edison.
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is all about “progress” and not power. She just wants to help us out of the archaic system of governing that we have been subjected to since our founding.
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn’t worked anywhere it’s been tried, is because the right people haven’t been in charge. (I’ve got news for you. It has never worked because the RIGHT people have been in charge.)
18. You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in jail, but a cheat, liar and sex offender belongs in the White House and you would vote him back in there in a New York Minute (if you could).
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.
21. You have to believe that the vociferous minorities who protest against prayer and saluting the flag in school have far more rights than the majority who believe in God and country, and want these values instilled in our young children.
22. You have to believe in MOB RULE and not RULING THE MOB (The Republican way).
23. You must not listen to Rush Limbaugh.
24 Trade Unions and Trial Lawyers are our strength and power.
25 The Main Stream Media and Hollywood are our propagandists.
26- FEMINISTS and GAYS are the men of our party.
27- The Terri Schiavo case proves we and a two-timing husband have more power than GOD and 2 loving parents.
28- WE HAVE TO CUT & RUN FROM IRAQ BECAUSE IF
THE U.S. HELPS THEM WIN – WE LOSE.
29- WE AND THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA MUST NEVER LET THE TRUTH
ABOUT TWA FLIGHT 800 (www.cashill.com) AND THE ARKANSAS PRISON TO CANADA BLOOD SCANDAL ( http://www.factor8movie.com) TO GET OUT TO RUIN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.
30 – Remember what our Uncle Joe Stalin said-”It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes”
31 – Our success will be realized when we are able to place an unconstitutional and ineligible candidate into the Whitehouse, causing our enemies to change the name of Washington, DC to USURPERVILLE
.
32- LAST BUT NOT LEAST WE ARE THE PARTY FOR THE LOSERS IN
LIFE AND WE(The Elitists -ie-
Kerry or Soros) CAN ONLY KEEP OUR POWER BY KEEPING THEM
THERE.
32- You have to swear to the : THE DEVIL’S CODE
HIS HEART DOES NOT EXIST
HE SPEAKETH WITH A FORKED TONGUE
HIS STRENGTH UPHOLDS THE WICKED
HIS SWORD SLAYS THE DEFENSELESS
HIS WRATH UNDOES THE INNOCENT
‘
BUT NOT TO THE: THE KNIGHT’S CODE
HIS HEART KNOWS VIRTUE
HIS TONGUE SPEAKS ONLY TRUTH
HIS STRENGTH UPHOLDS THE WEAK
HIS SWORD DEFENDS THE HELPLESS
HIS WRATH UNDOES THE WICKED
THIS WAS THE OATH OF A FIGHTER PILOT. Keep forwarding and add more
PS-THE COWBOY AND FIGHTER PILOT IS AMERICA’S VERSION OF OLD EUROPE’S CHIVALRY AND KNIGHTHOOD.
PSS – BOBBY KENNEDY WAS KILLED B Y SIRHAN SIRHAN A PALESTINIAN AND POPE JOHN PAUL WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE KILLED BY ALI MEHMET AGCA A TURKISH MUSLIM. THIS STARTED IN 1968. HOW SOON WE FORGET
Send this to 1000 Friends or 1000 times to One Enemy.
annelynn, don’t worry…..another competitor….like Fox did for news….will come along and these will become dinosaurs much as liberal leaning newspapers and other media have….
you simply cannot stop truth or capitalism
Speaking of capitalism, if you really really want to tell the MSM where to go, cancel your cable/satellite TV.
It’s mostly garbage anyway. When people stop watching their propaganda is when they lose all control over the people.
UNPLUG AND LIVE FREE!
CW
Do you think that it was scrubbed by accident? If anyone believes this then he/she must stand on their head. Obviously somebody at Wilkepedia is AFRAID of something. I already know the answer to that one,soI will keep it to myself.
I will try very hard to “unplug”……………..MMMMSSSS. IMPORTANT, and send her back to the land from whence she originated. I am not even sure that they even want a publically exposed LIAR for a neighbor. Of course she is in common with the same sort of people who attacked, and tried very hard to do in Miss California. I admire Miss California’s stance regarding her personal beliefs. Great Work Miss California. Keep telling them like it is!
If you look at the Wikipedia article’s “history” page at the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Norman_Thomas&action=history
It says that an editor (who could be any random person really) removed the quote because it is unsourced. In other words, you need a verifiable source in order to prove that he actually said the quote. There’s also a discussion on it on the article’s “discussion” page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Norman_Thomas
I do not use Wiki. Wiki is manipulated and controlled by the CIA.
You know the President of the United States of America is a “Guilty Son of Bitch” when a retired Naval Officer formerly casts charges of Treason and Fraud against him, and all you hear is…
************** CRICKETS ***************
If this were any other President, this Naval Officer would be in front of a Military Tribunal, and headed to a Federal Prison.
These are “Serious” allegations, against the President of the United States by a Retired Naval Officer.
Did i mention, these were “Serious” allegations against the President of the United States?
Why is this man not in a Federal Court, defending himself right now?
I’ll tell you why! Because Obama and the DNC do NOT want this matter brought before a court, because they know the evidence will then have to be unveiled.
Did i mention, a Retired Naval Officer has charged the President of the United States of American with “TREASON and FRAUD”? This is a crime punishable by imprisonment and or death.
TREASON and FRAUD
DRAMATIC DEVELOPMENT!
We The People (WTP) Federal Lawsuit to Ban All Electronic Voting Heads for Trial
Discovery Begins, Jury Will Decide the Law
“In 2007, WTP instigated a federal lawsuit in New York seeking to hold election officials in all fifty states accountable for their deprivation of the People’s fundamental Right to Vote because of the use of non-verifiable electronic and mechanical machine-based vote counting…
… This lawsuit is now our best chance to bring an end to election chicanery and restore integrity to the most fundamental process the People have designed into the Constitution for directly establishing and maintaining their servant government.
This is our chance to finally force government officials to publicly explain, under oath, exactly why they need anything more than a stack of paper ballots, a pen and a wooden box to conduct a fair and honest election.”
The organization is seeking people who might be willing to assist in the planning and execution of both the discovery and trial phases of the NCEL case. For the full story, here’s the link.
http://wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2009-05-11.htm
Any word on upcoming tea parties?
It appears the government is once again trying to derail the patriot movement with things like viral outbreaks…
Did y’all see this from Drudge?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afrdATVXPEAk&refer=worldwide
It’s about the swine flu’s origins.
kittycat,
Thanks for the link. The flu is merely a diversion. We must get back on track and focus on getting this global federalist regime out of our government.
They are the real viruses attacking our nation.
DON’T TREAD ON ME!!!
Which leads me to my next hairbrained idea.
This July when the march is on Washington, people should wear white surgical masks with “Tyranny Virus” and a red circle/slash over the text. It will do 2 things:
1. Protect our identities
2. Send the message loud and clear we are protecting ourselves from tyranny.
They are the REAL threat to America, not some little flu bug. Take their weapons and use them against them.
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/tea-party-protests/
JeffM, does this help?
venice,
It helps greatly. Thanks for the link!
Great article on how the party of Thomas Jefferson has become the party of Karl Marx:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11037
I agree that they are the viruses, but if you get the flu and die from it, then that’s serious too, Jeff. And if it mutates and gets worse, that’s serious too.
This is what the article was called on Drudge:
Swine Flu’s Origins May Be Tied to Human Error; WHO Probes Scientist Claim…
kittycat // May 12, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Hi Kittycat,
I was just going to post that but you beat me to it!
I guess the question is still ‘created by mistake’ or ‘engineered.’
Yep, Sue, that’s the question.
It always amazes me that the left wins this year and they always feel like their losing. They can never enjoy winning because its a no win situation, cause their always defending their position. So they latch out with their attack dogs no of this turn the other cheek stuff. When you win its a secure road. When you cheat and lie your way to the top its very obvious to people that you can’t handle winning.
As I sit here listening to MOMMA E on the computer, and watching Fox News on the TV and listening to Sean Hannity on the radio with my earphones and reading Citizen Wells, I am about to declare INFORMATION OVERLOAD. GOD BLESS US ALL.
UNPLUG AND LIVE FREE!
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I love the medical/history channels…….I have not watched or tuned in to any tv news (including local) since Nov 5th……
But JJ that is why they are getting away with all of this. I hope that someone on this site has a connection with Rolling Thunder. May 24 over 100,000 cyclists will make a run thru Washington,D.C. for all the missing in action of all our battles. It’s awesome. I live less than a mile from the Harley dealer in Fairfax and at least 5,000 leave from just here.We will take our Don’t Tread On Me flag and wave it. These are the ones we need to get on the bandwagon.
Truth>>It always amazes me that the left wins this year and they always feel like their losing.
Actually they did lose by electing who they did, it’s just that they don’t realize it yet. Problem is that we have to pay for their choices too!
This is our chance to finally force government officials to publicly explain, under oath, exactly why they need anything more than a stack of paper ballots, a pen and a wooden box to conduct a fair and honest election.”
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I thank you and support this movement…as I wrote before, Nashville, Tn. had someone recorded on tv, (husband was waiting for weather report) as asking for more time for paper ballots because 2010 was almost here…….my mouth fell open..who is responsible and when did this occur………paper ballots??
About time.
But JJ that is why they are getting away with all of this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I am online several times a day….fill my husband in on the latest……he gets so tired of “I bet you didn’t know” as soon as he hits the door…
I tell him he won’t hear/discover what I know listening to tv,,,,,,,I will admit watching Beck for two days………the Acorn fraud, election fraud, embezzling. New Orleans CCI, 300 subsidiaries, all this can not be swept under the rug……it’s taken 6 months to get the NBC noticed and now this??
Sandy, thank you so much for the Reagan-Obama Debate video. It is excellent. I passed it on to a lot of friends.
kittycat said:
“I agree that they are the viruses, but if you get the flu and die from it, then that’s serious too, Jeff. ”
Of course it is. But I’ll take my chances with a man-made virus over living my life as a slave under loss of liberties and tyranny any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Our framers didn’t care either. Freezing to death in the cold, fighting illness, injury, and frost bite with almost no food on a frozen river. That’s what fighting for freedom is all about.
The minute we give into the “fear mongering”, whether it be a deadly virus or threat of terrorist attacks, is the minute we’ve lost our desire to remain free and worry more about ourselves than the future of our children, grandchildren, and our great great grandchildren.
This entire country feeds off of the fear factor. Little by little our usurping government has used it as a weapon against its people. After 9/11, we gave up a a good chunck of our liberties and for what?? Nothing really has changed in the security front and here we are, safe and sound. At least from the terrorists…
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So does anyone know the exact date and place that this speech took place? Otherwise, wikipedia was probably right to take it down.
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Norman Thomas’s primary agenda as a politician was against war, even justifiable intervention. He was FIERCELY against American involvement in both World Wars. The notion that in 1944, at the height of American involvement in both Europe and the Pacific, he was totally satisfied with the Democratic Party running Washington is so absurd it’s beyond laughable into just sad. ’44 wasn’t even his final run, ’48 was. Pitiful.