Labor force participation collapse from younger dropouts not retirees, Zero Hedge nails it, More younger people born to replace older, Labor force should be increasing not decreasing

Labor force participation collapse from younger dropouts not retirees, Zero Hedge nails it, More younger people born to replace older, Labor force should be increasing not decreasing

“People 55 to 64 years old, the first forget-about-retirement generation, are staying in the labor force to an ever greater degree. In 1992, only 56.2% were still in the labor force, in 2012, 64.5% were. Similar for older folks. The participation rate for people 65 to 74 years old jumped from 16.3% to 26.8%. Reality is this: fewer people can afford to retire.”…Zero Hedge January 8, 2014

“11.4%: What the U.S. unemployment rate would be if labor force participation were back to January 2008 levels.” …James Pethokoukis, American Enterprise Institute, June 2013

“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”…George Orwell, “1984″

 

As pointed out at Citizen Wells, there should be an increasing labor force not decreasing. More younger people are born than are left in the aging populations to retire. And older workers are not retiring in droves.

From Citizen Wells November 9, 2013.

Is the repeated emphasis by the Washington Post on the impact of baby boomers on the plummeting  force participation rate an intentional lie or just sloppy or biased reporting?

Intentional or not it is a lie.

Citizen Wells first criticized the Washington Post on May 9, 2012 for this false report.

“The Washington Post on May 4, 2012 posted a very misleading article titled “The incredible shrinking labor force.” Is this another example of sloppy or biased journalism or both?”

“The verbage in the top right corner looked suspicious, ”As the most recent recession hits the workforce, larger numbers of baby boomers begin to retire.” Yesterday I called the Bureau of Labor Statistics and discovered that they had not placed those words there. It was the work of the Washington Post.

So why did the Post superimpose that wording about baby boomers on the graph?”

“Critics of the Obama administration have been quick to seize on this as the real reason for the falling unemployment rate. In February, the Republican National Committee released a research note on “The Missing Worker,” arguing that “over 3 million unemployed workers have called it quits due to Obamanomics.”

Economists say the story is considerably more complicated. For one thing, the trend predates President Obama. And while part of the story is clearly that the labor force is shrinking because the bad economy is driving workers out, another significant factor is that baby boomers are beginning to retire early — a trend that has worrying implications for future growth.”
“But a number of economists are arguing that the recession is distracting people from the real story — long-run demographic trends that have nothing to do with the current economy. Baby boomers are starting to retire en masse, which means that there are fewer eligible American workers.”

https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/washington-post-misrepresents-labor-force-participation-rate-unemployment-rate-blamed-on-baby-boomers-selective-quoting-post-receives-4-orwells/

On September 6, 2013 the Washington Post reported.

“So why is the labor force dropping? There are a couple big factors going on here. Older Americans are retiring, younger Americans are going back to school, and many workers have been discouraged by the weak U.S. economy. Here’s an updated breakdown:

1) The aging of America. One big reason the participation rate dropped involves long-run demographic trends that have nothing to do with the current economy. Baby boomers are starting to retire en masse, which means that there are fewer eligible American workers.

Demographics have always played a big role in the rise and fall of the labor force. Between 1960 and 2000, the labor force in the United States surged from 59 percent to a peak of 67.3 percent. That was largely due to the fact that more women were entering the labor force while improvements in health and information technology allowed Americans to work more years.

But since 2000, the labor force rate has been steadily declining as the baby-boom generation has been retiring.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/06/the-incredible-shrinking-labor-force-again/

On November 8, 2013 the Washington Post once again listed older workers retiring first as a cause of the drop. They did, however, add some clarification as if to back off of their position.

“So what’s up with that broader trend? Why has the participation rate been dropping in recent years? There are a couple big factors going on here. Older Americans are retiring, younger Americans are going back to school, and many workers have been discouraged by the weak U.S. economy. Here’s an updated breakdown:

1) The aging of America. One big reason the participation rate dropped involves long-run demographic trends that have little to do with the current economy. Baby boomers are starting to retire en masse, which means that there are fewer eligible American workers.

Demographics have always played a big role in the rise and fall of the labor force. Between 1960 and 2000, the labor force in the United States surged from 59 percent to a peak of 67.3 percent. That was largely due to the fact that more women were entering the labor force while improvements in health and information technology allowed Americans to work more years.

But since 2000, the labor force rate has been declining steadily as the baby-boom generation has been retiring. “

“So what’s going on? One theory is that the weak job market is causing people to simply give up looking for work — they’re crumpling up their resumes and going home. A recent paper (pdf) from the Boston Fed suggested that these “non-inevitable dropouts” might even account for the bulk of the decline.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/08/the-u-s-labor-force-is-still-shrinking-rapidly-heres-why/

I am going to make this real simple.

Let’s ignore immigrants increasing our work force for the moment.

The baby boomer generation is known for it’s size. However, due to the growth in the US, recent generations are even larger.

Let’s take the example of those turning 65 in 2014, born in 1949 and those turning 22 in 2014, born in 1992. I chose age 22 to account for college even though some of them entered the work force earlier, if they could find a job.

There were  3.56 million people born in the US in 1949. 85 % or 3.026 million are alive.

There were 4.08 million people born in 1992. Probably at least 4 million still alive.

Let’ assume that all of the people who turn 65 next year retire.

That is still a net gain of about a million potential workers.

As we all know, all of those people do not stop working unless they cannot find a job.

From the CBO.

“The resulting rise in the projected rates of labor force participation for older people is noteworthy. For men ages 62 to 64, CBO projects that the rate of labor force participation will rise from about 52 percent in 2012 to about 55 percent in 2022. For men ages 65 to 69, the projected rate rises from about 37 percent in 2012 to about 41 percent in 2022. The changes for women are similar: The projected rate of labor force participation for women ages 62 to 64 rises from about 44 percent to about 48 percent, and for women ages 65 to 69, the projected rate increases from about 28 percent to about 32 percent. In 2022, the FRA will be 67 only for people age 62 or younger in that year. As that group ages and the FRA gradually becomes 67 for all older people, CBO projects that the labor force participation rate for older people will continue to increase, although at a slower pace.”

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43834

That’s right. You read it correctly.

Men ages 62 to 64:  rate of labor force participation  about 52 percent in 2012.

Men ages 65 to 69:   37 percent in 2012.

Once again I am compelled to award the Washington Post 4 Orwells.

https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2013/11/09/washington-post-lies-about-baby-boomer-impact-on-labor-force-participation-rate-more-young-people-enter-job-market-than-retire-older-folks-continue-working-intentional-lie-sloppy-reporting-or-cove/

Zero Hedge nails it again.

“A few days ago we disproved, in what we hoped would be the last time, any insinuation that the collapse in the labor force is due to demographics (a topic we had covered before) when we showed that it was just 10 short years ago that the Bureau of Labor Statistics itself was forecasting an increase in the overall participation rate – here we assume logically that America’s demographic profile was known to its labor market experts in 2004 – only to slowly at first, then very fast, revise it ever lower… and still it was unable to catch up to the unfolding gruesome reality.

Yet somehow, so called finance experts, econ PhDs, central planners and other ivory tower dwellers still refuse to let this topic go, and continue to reference the participation rate and demographics in the same sentence. So to truly end any speculation that the plunge in the labor force is due to “old people”, defined as workers 55 and over, retiring, here is a chart (which in an update of a post we didfirst in October 2012 and it took the rest of the media world only 14 months to catch up) of the cumulative job gains broken down by “young”, or those 16-54, vs “old”, those 55 and over.

Spot something wierd?

It seems that the “old” age worker group – that which is supposed to be bleeding workers to retirement – has had zero job losses since the start of the Depression in December 2007, while it was the “younger” workers who according to the BLS’ Household Survey, have hit the labor cliff and seen their number collapse, dropping as much a 6 million, and only slowly rising, with another 3.5 million jobs left to catch up before pre-recession levels are met.”

Read more:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-20/spot-labor-force-collapse-culprit

 

 

 

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65 responses to “Labor force participation collapse from younger dropouts not retirees, Zero Hedge nails it, More younger people born to replace older, Labor force should be increasing not decreasing

  1. Good morning all.

  2. “Barack Will Require You to Work.”

  3. So now we know the REAL Truth……

    As if we didn’t know all along !

  4. For a dose of reality, this is a must read! (It is much more than about Karl Rove, other than the fact that he is one of the driving forces behind the Wall St. Republicans)

    How Obama Will Win The 2014 Election – With Help From Karl Rove
    January 20, 2014

    By Don Feder
    (quote)
          Conservative iconoclast M. Stanton Evans once aptly remarked that in America: “We have two parties… and only two. One is the evil party, and the other is the stupid party.” The evil party gave us ObamaCare, an imperial judiciary and the public morality of a Babylonian brothel.

           The stupid party gave us Karl Rove.

    For more:
    http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df012014.html

  5. Republican Party ready for an ‘Upheaval’? – The Latest News
    Lou Dobbs interview – – –
    …..Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Karl Rove, who are going to war against the Tea Party, have also got it wrong. Ronald Reagan said it pretty clearly, the Eleventh Commandment. “Don’t talk down your own party and its members”. This is worse than that.

  6. cabbyaz | January 20, 2014 at 1:32 pm |

    Great article, Cabby…and so very true!

  7. Interested Bystander

    RMinNC,

    I watched your video, and to me it appears that the video is altered to look like the plane is going behind that building. Which you are going to suggest IS the point, that the video was altered, but by WHOM? Possibly the person offering up the video? HUMMMMMMMMM?

    I just love it when these folks on these videos say as if fact, “this is impossible”. The TRUTH is that they don’t KNOW if it’s impossible or not, you know how I know that? I know that because it’s NEVER happened before. By that I mean that there has never been a plane that large flown in to a building as high up as those two planes impacted those buildings.

    And then there’s the “that steel wouldn’t have melted under those circumstances” crowd.

    Well, I don’t know about the others here, but I watched those buildings fall because planes were flown in to them. I’ll never forget, unlike most of the Country.

    Besides, these’s one simple answer I’d like.

    Where’d the people go that were on those planes? Were they evaporated along with the planes themselves?

    From all of the evidence I have in my mind, I find it almost impossible for all of those people, along with the planes are just gone…………poof.

    Not here to argue with you about this, you have every right to believe what you want, and I won’t even try to change your mind, because to be honest, MY mind isn’t made up.

    I have a hard time believing that our own Government can or would do something like that, and I’d have to have firm proof to be convinced that what these 9-11 truthers are selling makes sence.

    But answer the “where’d the people go” question.

    It’s funny that no one I have asked that too before now has had a logical, reasonable answer.

    Educate me RMinNC.

  8. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Not sure why I give my opinion on these things like the JFK or 9/11 “conspiracy” theories, but I honestly believe it is because I want to LEARN more about it.

    Questioning makes you smarter, ONLY if the answers are the truth, and they are verifiable.

    What I DO know is that the evidence was there. The officials didn’t conncet the dots as far as the terrorists were concerned, and they even had one in custody in Minnessota I believe.

    So, what I have come to conclude is that the Government is more worried about ME, than those who they SHOULD be concerned about.

    I’m confused by how many here think that our “intelligence community” is going to keep us safe or that it is even necessary.

    Did I hear our President say last week that he’s going to stop the spying on our allies’ leaders? These people have NO RIGHTS afforded them by our Constitution.

    But it’s A OK to spy on ME.

    I have rights given me as a citizen of the United States by our Constitution which says that they aren’t allowed to search me without a piece of paper signed by a Judge.

    Forget about the 4th Amendment to our Constitution.

    UP is DOWN.

  9. IB,

    Maybe I’ve missed the comments you’ve seen, but I don’t think anyone here believes the inteligence community keeps us safe. Other than that, I agree with most of what you said.

  10. Wow… Missouri just became the latest state to have legislation introduced to NULLIFY Obamacare within its borders. Please help and SHARE.

    http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/missouri-obamacare-rebellion/

  11. IB…
    You said, “EDUCATE ME”……..

    There are at least a couple hundred video’s about this subject…take your pick and “educate yourself”…them believe what you wish.

  12. COMMON CORE…”Education our Children Don’t need”…
    .http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wZEGijN_8R0

  13. Wow, a powerful new report from experts concludes that Obama fed America bogus information in order to trigger a war to support the Islamic rebels in Syria. Please SHARE.

    http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/obama-bogus-syria-intel/

  14. I keep asking the same question to 9/11 “truthers” and I have never gotten an answer. If it is “so obvious” that 9/11 was an inside job, why have no NY fireman come forward with these assertions? They would know and since their “brothers” (sometimes literally) were killed in the twin towers and they themselves were screwed out of money for their later health issues from that day, what would be their reason for keeping their mouths shut?

  15. Julie T:
    Good point! I am simply not a “truther” and think that the subject keeps being kept alive by some (not anyone here at CW) to take our attention away from what is happening right now. After all, a person, whether young or old, has just a certain amount of energy to expend, and I personally find it non-productive to devote it to this theory. No offense intended!! To each his own.

  16. RMinNC commented:

    “There are at least a couple hundred video’s about this subject…take your pick and “educate yourself”…them believe what you wish.”

    Oh I’ve looked at and listened to some of those videos.

    But as I suspected, you have no answer to my simple question.

    I’ve seen the videos about how the buildings were brought down by “controlled demolition”, and I’ve heard people say that there was some strange happenings in those towers in the weeks leading up to 9/11.

    I’ve heard that building 7 was an obvious controlled demolition, and seen video which is supposed to prove it.

    Oh I’m no expert on the 9/11 conspiracy theories, but I’ve researched when in my mind it warranted it.

    Just as you believe what you want, the video you linked looks to me as if the person presenting the video may have altered it. I can’t prove it.

    I asked you to educate me. You pooh poohed it off like I’m supposed to blindly follow your beliefs.

    I’m sorry, but the Good Lord gave me a mind that has free thought, and after seeing the evidence, I just don’t believe that there is not one person who has concrete evidence.

    Plenty of speculation, very little concrete facts.

  17. SueQ commented:

    “Maybe I’ve missed the comments you’ve seen, but I don’t think anyone here believes the inteligence community keeps us safe. Other than that, I agree with most of what you said.”

    Perhaps you weren’t here when I was defending candidate Paul’s stance on foriegn policy (which is the catagory where I lump “intelligence”), and was told about how our “efforts” are needed and blah blah blah.

    It’s funny, because I was roundly ridiculed for defending something that was labled as “weak”, “bizaar”, “wrong”, etc.

    I guess I wouldn’t want my family or friends snooping around my business, so I can relate to other Countries being upset because we have spies doing whatever spies are supposed to do.

    Not that I’m afraid I’d be caught doing something wrong, in my mind, it’s just not right.

    I’ve been wrong before, but I find it just plain wrong that our Country was running guns in to Libya, and then trying to round those guns up to run to Syria.

    I’m of the opinion that if you can’t do this stuff on the “up and up”, then it probably shouldn’t be done. I just can’t believe that it was in our nation’s best interest to do this stuff, and I also believe that it does not serve us well in the eyes of the others in the world community.

    My whole point I guess, is that our Government is out of control on so many levels, not just on foriegn policy, and I believe most everyone here thinks that is correct.

    Dr Paul wanted to stop this stuff, but was ridiculed for even bringing it up.

    And I know, I’ve heard it before, Just get over it, Paul had no chance in the General election, and on and on.

    My answer to that is that we’ll never know.

    Paul would have given us a REAL choice, but the Republican wing of the Democrat Party wasn’t going to allow a REAL choice. Anyone who did represent a real choice (Newt, Cain) were “shamed” out of the race.

    By the way

    Happy Martin Luther King Day everyone.

    I’m up now because I took a nap so I could get up and watch the Pacers (best record in the NBA) who are out west this week and next.

    But I’ve been typing and not watching as the Pacers have pulled out to a 16 point lead.

    Going to get off here.

    Take care all.

  18. RMinNC | January 20, 2014 at 8:04 pm |
    I have been following the Common Core issues for awhile now. It must be stopped at all costs. It is nothing more than the State brainwashing, dumbing-down and data mining our children. The information collection is very frightening to the point that parents will no longer have control over their children. The samples of federal-standardized test questions are beyond bizarre, mostly word type math problems and are skillfully worded to promote a socialist agenda. scarey, indeed!

  19. IB………..
    Probably a great question to ask a TRUTHER is “Please provide me with the PRESENT address,and telephone number of any of the crew or passengers on both of the aircraft which were allegedly flown into the twin towers.” Or where is the airplane which dissappeared shortly after takeoff from NY, and where is the aircraft which took off from Boston,and disappeared shortly thereafter. Then why is it that aircraft parts and pieces,from the scene were POSITIVELY traced back to BOTH AIRCRAFT. In aircraft each component has a code stamped upon it just for such an event. People who try to talk intelligently regarding such a subject need to first get an EDUCATION regarding commercial aircraft.

  20. ……and then there is the damning evidence found at the scene…..which was a billfold that belonged to one of the passengers of the first aircraft. Oh thats right I nearly forgot he went to the trade center before he went to the airport and deliberately put his billfold money,ID,drivers license and all in the trade tower………HAR HAR. You would have to be a really stupid ass to believe that anybody would do that sort of thing. His billfold was in his hip pocket when he boarded the airplane. I have heard some of the truthers try to say that all of the aircraft parts and pieces were taken from a scrap yard and hauled by truck to the general area of the trade towers,and dumped so that it would LOOK like an airplane had crashed into the towers. Once again only a LOW IQ MORON would believe such BULLSHI# ……as I said before TRUTHERS find me a LIVING passenger of either aircraft,who is alive and well today.. THe pasenger manifests of both airplanes is readily obtainable so sinnnce it is the truthers who allege this information let them be the people to PROVE THEIR POINT.

  21. Anyone who has children or grandchildren might be shocked at the world they will inherit. Recently Putin encouraged his fellow Russians to have babies…. lots of babies. This could be the reason why.

  22. IB….
    As I said in my last post…you believe what you want to believe….and I will believe what I want to believe…..I will not take up CW’s bandwidth here to go into the tons and tons of critical information that counters the governments position and your personal conclusions on 911…..

    You ask me to “educate you”…..I GAVE YOU THE BEST ADVICE ANYONE COULD GIVE….READ ALL, WATCH ALL…and above ALL, don’t ever believe everything your government tells you…if you do, you will be in deep doo-doo….

    I do not ask that you, or anyone else “blindly follow my beliefs” on anything, as you have so stated…..I post on here , just as you post on here, and I damn sure don’t believe everything you post…but that’s alright, everyone has an opinion……mine is as good as yours…yours is as good as mine

    As I said in my short post to you….READ…RESEARCH…and EXPLORE….you might find the truth yet about 911…..we got our “new Pearl Harbor” didn’t we?

    But I would ask in the future that you disregard anything I place on here unless I specifically address it to you….it’s easier to do that than to argue with you……I have been disregarding your post for a long time now.

    But if you choose to comment on anything I post, you can bet your booties that I will respond.

  23. SueQ…
    I just watched you post of the video…it’s scary what the future of our grandchildren and their children will face…..but you know, we have known this information for some time now…but as usual, the world turns a blind eye and a deaf ear to the MUSLIM problem…..

    America will not be exempt from this MUSLIM takeover…we may be the last nation to fall…but as sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, it will happen…unless we come to our senses….and soon

    The real danger of Islam comes after they have become a majority of a country….the other religions will either become Islamic or face harsh and terrible reprisals…. just look at what the Christians now face in Egypt, and some of the other middle eastern countries….we have that to look forward too at a later date.

    Perhaps there will be a “fourth crusade” before this happens…..

  24. CW……….
    When we consider all of the employment,and the unemployment figures, and you plot them week after week the pattern emerges and it is easy to see what is happening…….sadly there are so many totally IGNORANT people who do not think that there is a problem. They are people like CUOMO, Chucky baby, and the rest of the NEW YORK NITWITS,who think UP is DOWN,and they are going to prove it by RUNNING all the conservatives out of New York State. HAR HAR. There are too many conservatives with VERY DEEP POCKETS who will NOT TOLERATE people like CUOMO,or Schummer trying to run them out of the state.. Hopefully we will be witness to people like those two being THEMSELVES run OUT OF THE STATE.

  25. …….Sadly we are seeing only the beginning of what I personally think is going to literally turn into another BIBLICAL war, and as such there will be no end to the ongoing MURDER ,rape, and robbery, all done in the name of what the attackers call their RELIGION. That is when you want to possess a hell of a lot of ammo,and a lot of miscellaneous weaponry,and know HOW and WHEN to use all of it. There will be a very long line of stinking MORON GOAT LOVERS, who will try very hard to take what belongs to you.

  26. It’s ALL in the Family…

    READ all, WATCH all, STUDY all, RESEARCH all…but above ALL, don’t believe everything your government tells you…..

  27. ………….as it stands right now there are a hell of a lot more bullets in America than MOOSEYS,and we have the advantage because most of us know our country pretty well. The Mooseys only know Detroit, and surrounding areas. I have recently heard that some of the Detroit MOOSEYS have left and went tro Canada to live because they are becoming afraid to stay in the US.

  28. ……….and that is the CORRECT direction for them. I went to McDonalds this morning for breakfast with a WW2 veteran neighbor. While we were there some people came in who sure looked like GOAT LOVERS,and they ordered their food and quickly left when they saw everybody staring at them. Mickey Dee’s was packed this morning. It was tough to find an empty seat. The seats didn’t have time to even cool off.

  29. Please watch CLOSELY at 28;15 INTO THE ABOVE VIDEO…watch it at least twice…or three times…..

    It CLEARLY shows the plane wing is BEHIND the building in the far background from the twin tower that the plane struck…….which would have made it an impossibility for that plane to have struck the twin tower as it did…if it was a plane!

    This film HAS NOT been altered as was accused in the last video I posted….

    Would someone please explain how this could have happened…it is an IMPOSSIBLE ACT to accomplish with that big plane to have flown BEHIND the building in the far distance and still have struck the twin tower as it did……

    The proof has been right before our eyes all along…….sometimes the best place to hide the truth is in plain sight.

    I always try very hard to post only the proven truth when I post here….but those who post here can believe whatever they wish……

    I rest my case..

  30. I hat to stay on this….but

    Look again at 38:13 into the last posted video…again you see the plane fly in from of the building in the distance, while the wing is behind the building……now that’s a pretty good trick…..

  31. hat should have been hate….sorry bout that

  32. January 21, 2014

    “Lib Actor Robert De Niro Praises Dear Leader: “He’s Not A Schemer, He’s Not Devious”…”

    Actually, he’s both of those things, and then some.

    Via Politico:

    Actor Robert De Niro has some advice for the president: Pick your battles.

    “He’s a guy who means to do the right thing, he has to pick his battles, but his heart is in the right place,” De Niro told Fox News’s “The O’Reilly Factor” in a segment with Jesse Watters that aired Monday.

    “He’s not a schemer, he’s not devious,” the actor said.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/lib-actor-robert-de-niro-praises-dear-leader-hes-not-a-schemer-hes-not-devious/
    ===============
    January 20, 2014

    Garth Kant:

    “Liberal icon urges Obama impeachment”

    “WASHINGTON — Worse than Richard Nixon. An unprecedented abuse of powers. The most un-American president in the nation’s history.

    Nat Hentoff does not think much of President Obama.

    And now, the famous journalist says it is time to begin looking into impeachment.

    “Within a few months after he was elected, I wrote a column saying he was going to be the most destructive, dangerous president we’ve ever had,” he said.

    Hentoff said people he’d known for years told him to stop being so negative and to give Obama a chance.

    “Well, we’ve given him a chance. I understated the case a little.””

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/liberal-icon-urges-obama-impeachment/

  33. I just came back from the Dollar Store…and I bought Andrew Breitbart’s book, RIGHTous IndigNATION……for a dollar !…

    Looking forward to reading the last thing he wrote before he was murdered…..

    Will post about it after I read it…..

  34. There was a number of people who watched the second plane fly into the trade tower,over national TV. I was ONE of them.

  35. btw……it was carried LIVE on FOXNEWS.

  36. …………and was filmed from the GROUND, not from the air or another building.

  37. Old Sailor,
    I was also one of them that saw the second plane fly into the trade tower on Fox News LIVE – a sight I’ll never forget! I saw the same thing you did! Videos can be tampered with, as we know.

  38. Egypt’s Largest Newspaper: “Middle East Report Translated, Declares that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim Terrorist” (Video News Report)

  39. 55 Million Abortions since 1973 and Roe….
    …..or should I say 55 Million Murdered Babies since 1973 and Roe?.

  40. oldsailor81 | January 21, 2014 at 2:52 pm |

    …………and was filmed from the GROUND, not from the air or another building.
    **********************************
    oldsailor81,
    There are several views, from various camera angles, of that second plane hitting the World Trade Center.

    The video that shows the wing going behind a “building” is a fake.

  41. RMinNC | January 21, 2014 at 3:40 pm |

    55 Million Abortions since 1973 and Roe….
    …..or should I say 55 Million Murdered Babies since 1973 and Roe?.
    *****************************
    RMinNC,
    News like this is music to our Muslim usurper’s ears.

    55 million American infidels killed.

  42. RMinNC commented:

    “I will not take up CW’s bandwidth here to go into the tons and tons of critical information that counters the governments position and your personal conclusions on 911…..”

    You state you won’t waste CW’s bandwidth, and then you do, not just with this comment, but with a video and then more comments about the video.

    Just for the record, MY “personal conclusions on 9/11” is that I have seen nothing that would change my mind about it being planes that flew in to the twin towers, or the pentagon or in that field in Penn.

    I would suggest that IF you have solid evidence, my mind could be changed. But like others have commented, I WATCHED that plane fly in to the second tower. Drone, no drone, or an airplane with hundreds on board, what I saw with my own two eyes, and what Ive seen over and over again, is that a plane crashed in to the second tower.

    You then comment:

    “don’t ever believe everything your government tells you”

    sound advice. Myself, I question everything the Government tells me.

    RMinNC next comments:

    “I do not ask that you, or anyone else “blindly follow my beliefs” on anything”

    Well then maybe I take your posts wrong. I guess when you state stuff like “Now we know the truth”, or any number of other comments you have made about “knowing this”, or that this is “fact”, is taken out of context? You do NOT suggest that it is your opinion, but state them as “facts”, which at times are NOT “facts” but theories, myths, or specualtion. Big difference between FACTS, and theories, myths and speculation.

    RMinNC then asks this:

    “But I would ask in the future that you disregard anything I place on here unless I specifically address it to you….”

    UMMMMMMMMMMMMM, my answer to this is NO WAY IN heck will I ignore your posts unless they are specifically addressed to me.

    Are you against debate? your next comment is this:

    “it’s easier to do that than to argue with you……I have been disregarding your post for a long time now.”

    But yet you answer my posts. It doesn’t compute in my head when you state that you have been disregarding my posts, and then answer my posts.

    How do you disregard my posts, but yet still know what’s in my posts?

    And so you are stating that disregarding my posts is easier than arguing with me?

    The way I interpret this is that you are tired of me calling you out. I won’t stop, and the reason I won’t is because I beleive that it’s a good way to expand my mind. I haven’t called names, or tried to make it seem that you don’t know what you are stating, I simply ask a couple questions, or point out where your evidence is flawed.

    You may not like my tactics, but they are what they are, and I don’t forsee them changing in the near future.

    You don’t debate the facts, and then you try to “order” me to ignore your posts and suggest that you have been disregarding my posts.

    RMinNC concludes:

    “But if you choose to comment on anything I post, you can bet your booties that I will respond.”

    GOOD, that’s my goal.

    But I thought you were disregarding my posts for some time now?

    Maybe that’s just when they aren’t addressed to you.

    Now I’m going to go watch your 43:29 minute video.

  43. Prayer request for all the athletes, their families, delegates, media etc. now and during the entire Winter Olympics. The threats have increased and warnings have been issued.

  44. Hey All,

    I watched the video, and I even went back and watched the 28:15 and 38:13 parts in slow motion, backwards, forwards and sideways, and for RMinNC to state that it is “CLEARLY” behind that one building, is stretching the truth a might.

    I will give you that you can’t CLEARLY see the wing one way or the other. You don’t know if it’s in front of or behind the building in the background. The video isn’t very clear, and lights and shadows work in wierd ways sometime, but to state without a doubt that the video shows the wing behind the building, at either the 28:15 or 38:13 mark of the video, I believe is simply not the case.

    But what I will state is that in the other video RMinNC posted, it looked to me like the wings were cut off through photoshop or something like that, because it seems there was a distinct line in the video where they cut off the wing to make it appear that it was behind the building.

    Not sure what this would mean either. That the video was faked to make it appear that a plane flew in to the building?

    I really don’t get the meaning of the video as a whole either.

    You want me to believe that our Government killed 3,000 people on Sept 11, 2001 because some bonds were maturing and this was the only way to divert attention away from them?

    I guess it’s just too big for this simple mind to compute.

    And then there’s what seems to me to be this narrarator going from one theory to the next, he calls the flights by their names and numbers, and then suggests that it wasn’t those planes that flew in to the towers?

    And it just grates me the wrong way when the narrarator states that the plane hit “in exactly” this spot or that. It hit right in to that one offices “secure room” or something like that, or how the planes hit in the only locations that were supposedly fireproofed the year before. Or how the pentagon plane flew in to a portion of the building where they were investigating a missing 2.3 trillion dollars, but yet with the murder of those folks the investigation didn’t continue?

    But again RMinNC, answer the FIRST question I asked.

    What happened to the planes and the passengers of those 4 planes?

    You see that’s where I start. There’s no logical answer other than those planes flew in to the towers, the pentagon and in that field in Penn.

    Explain to me how that’s wrong, and then maybe I can start to process the stuff that’s on that 43:29 video.

  45. Dumbing, or otherwise, the culture down….even more than what the Clintons began:

    What the heck is Michelle Obama doing in this video? [VIDEO]

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/21/first-lady-appears-in-bizarre-psa-with-the-miami-heat/#ixzz2r4vesfJG

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/21/first-lady-appears-in-bizarre-psa-with-the-miami-heat/

  46. Obama Claims Islamic Anti-Semitism Is Only Decades Old…

    http://weaselzippers.us/obama-claims-islamic-anti-semitism-is-only-decades-old/

    “Yes, he is that clueless.”

    Say, maybe instead all the way back to Ishmael you think?

  47. Oldsalt,
    In reply to your email…….

    According to the Cook County’s Clerk’s web page a birth certificate is NOT required to apply for a marriage license if you have a state driver’s license, state identification, U.S. passport or U.S. Armed Forces identification card. I do not know what the requirements were when BO and MO were married in 1992.

    http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/vitalrecords/marriagelicenses/Pages/IDRequirementsforMarriageLicenses.aspx

    Cook County Clerk’s Office.
    ID Requirements for Marriage Licenses
    One form of ID if submitting one of the following:

    State drivers license
    State identification
    U.S. passport
    U.S. Armed Forces identification card

    – OR –

    Two of these forms of ID:

    Certified copy of Birth Certificate (English translations required for foreign certificates must be notarized)
    U.S. naturalization certificate
    U.S. resident alien card
    Life insurance policy (at least 1 year old)
    Foreign passport
    Baptismal record (date of birth must appear)
    Consulate identification card (matricula)

    I cannot prove or disprove the validity of the Obama Certificatton of Marriage I emailed you. Just wanted you to see what I have. You can go here to request one……..

    Application for verification of marriage record files
    http://www.idph.state.il.us/vitalrecords/pdf/Marriage.pdf

    I suspect you’ll get a copy of the document I have.

  48. Liberal icon urges Obama impeachment
    ‘The most destructive, dangerous president we’ve ever had’

    WASHINGTON — Worse than Richard Nixon. An unprecedented abuse of powers. The most un-American president in the nation’s history.

    Nat Hentoff does not think much of President Obama.

    And now, the famous journalist says it is time to begin looking into impeachment.

    Hentoff sees the biggest problem is Obama’s penchant to rule by executive order when he can’t convince Congress to do things his way.

    The issue jumped back into the headlines last week when, just before his first Cabinet meeting of 2014, Obama said, “I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone … and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions.”

    “Apparently he doesn’t give one damn about the separation of powers,” Hentoff told WND. “Never before in our history has a president done these things.”

    And just to make sure everyone knew how extremely serious he regarded the situation, the journalist added, “This is the worst state, I think, the country has ever been in.

    Many have regarded Hentoff as the conscience of civil libertarianism and liberalism for decades.

    Recognized as one of the foremost authorities on the Bill of Rights and the Supreme Court, Hentoff was a columnist and staff writer with The Village Voice for 51 years, from 1957 until 2008, when his columns began appearing in WND.

    Hentoff left the Voice after he looked into the abortion industry, was shocked by what he found and had a falling-out with colleagues.

    The First Amendment expert still hews left on many issues, railing against former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney, the prison at Guantanamo Bay and the National Defense Authorization Act.

    But he hasn’t liked Obama from the start.

    “Within a few months after he was elected, I wrote a column saying he was going to be the most destructive, dangerous president we’ve ever had,” he said.

    Hentoff said people he’d known for years told him to stop being so negative and to give Obama a chance.

    “Well, we’ve given him a chance. I understated the case a little.”

    In other words, Hentoff thinks Obama is the most dangerous and destructive president ever.

    And, that’s why the veteran journalist thinks it’s time to begin looking into impeachment.

    “He has no right to do these executive orders,” Hentoff insisted, his voice reaching a crescendo of indignation.

    He says Obama gets away with it only because there is no outrage in Congress, no coverage by the media and no knowledge by the public.

    “He’s in a position now where he figures he’s going to do whatever he wants to do.”

    In fact, Hentoff said, Obama doesn’t even pretend to care about the separation of powers between the executive branch and Congress anymore, because “He’s the boss and hardly anybody cares enough” to stop him.

    Read the whole thing at http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/liberal-icon-urges-obama-impeachment/#VKR5F5WWMtke65k7.99

  49. You Won’t Believe How Many Jobs Obamacare Just Cost Michigan…

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/wont-believe-many-jobs-obamacare-just-cost-michigan/

  50. What is your birthday wish for Michelle?
    Who Picked Up the Tab for Michelle’s 500-Guest Birthday Bash?
    Where is her wedding ring?

    http://americanoverlook.com/who-picked-up-the-tab-for-michelles-500-guest-birthday-bash/9323

  51. IB…

    Stick around I will respond to your comments tomorrow…….with questions for you to answer…..if you can.

    But for now, I will retire.

    Good night all…it’s getting deep in here.

  52. Another Obamacare Success Story: Target Drops Health Insurance For Part-Time Workers Because of Obamacare…

    http://weaselzippers.us/

    Target Corp. said it will end health insurance for part-time employees, joining Trader Joe’s Co., Home Depot Inc. and other retailers that have scaled back benefits in response to changes from Obamacare.

    About 10 percent of Target’s part-time employees, defined as those working fewer than 30 hours a week, use the company’s health plans now, according to an announcement posted today on the Minneapolis-based company’s website. Target said it would pay $500 to part-timers losing coverage and a consulting firm will help workers sign up for new Obamacare plans.

  53. I have been watching the coverage of the torture photos from Syria. I have no doubt that atrocities have taken place. What really worries me is that it is Qatar ( through a London law firm) that is behind this. Could this be a way to hasten Assad´s fall ( while the peace talks are going on) , and, so, allow the Muslim fundamentalists rebels to take over? Qatar is really evil and is behind the spread of radical Islam in the West. I don´t trust them.

  54. OT: Watch

  55. IB…..
    I don’t know about you but I personally watched the second plane fly into the second tower over NATIONAL TV. It was carried LIVE on FOXNEWS. I am sure that with a little effort Fox might even be so kind as to replay their copy of the crash. But again ,I watched the second plane crash into the second tower, and again it was carried LIVE over national tv. I guess what I am saying,perhaps it is time to tell FOXNEWS that there was NOT REALLY A CRASH, and the camera crew along with about 50,000,000 people didn’t really see an aircraft crash into the second tower. Perhaps 50,000,000 of us were all halucinating.

  56. While Foxnews carried the crash of the second aircraft into the second tower, I do not mean to imply that they captured the actual crash live. I tend to believe that the visual of the second crash while carried by Fox was possibly footage made available to them from an outside source ….perhaps New York emergency services, etc. But the crash was in fact carried over Fox. This was in the early AM,because I first heard about it over the radio,at which point I turned on our tv to see if it was being carried by the news services,and voila there it was but at that point the second airplane had not yet arrived ,but shortly as I watched I saw the airplane bank slightly and fly directly into the second tower.. I am sure that I was not the only one who witnessed the crash.. If the crash was some sort of contrivance,then all of the dead people must have never really existed either,but boy there was a HELL of a LOT of grieving families resulting from something..Over 600 people were killed just as passengers of the four airliners involved which includes the one that crashed into a field in Pennsylvania,and the one which was crashed into the Pentagon., so I would assume that none of those crashes really happened,that even the crash of the airplane in the Pennslylvanis field was really a product of our imaginations. Does anybody remember the words “LETS ROLL”…these were the last words of a passenger who was aboard the airplane.

  57. ………..In going to You Tube,it can be found that there are people who are saying that there were no aircraft even in the vicinity of the WTC. Then I invite those people to check the arrival and departures of the early am aircraft from both JFK,and Logan. There are always aircraft in the vicinity of New York City. As for the parts which were found at various points in about a four block radius, must have been parts which just fell off of other aircraft during it’s approach,or departure from another airport. But even stranger is the fact that each part which was found was actually traced back to the 767s which were allegedly crashed into the WTC towers.,not to metion the residual aircraft components which were subsequently found as the debris was being removed.,and for people to say that in reality all of the debris was brought to various places close by the WTC under cover of darkness during the early AM,and was really scrap that came from a salvage yard is about as INSANE as you can get.

  58. Anyone who has EVER been to New York City would KNOW better. While my first wife and I LIVED IN BROOKLYN, for about three years,we spent some of our free time in Manhattan, both UPTOWN,and DOWNTOWN, in Queens,Long Island, and the Bronx, and I can tell you that in Manhattan there is NOPLACE where aircraft landing gear and tail section parts could be randomly dumped in the early AM without detection of the sizeable truck which would have been necessary to transport such components to begin with. Such a notion is complete LUNACY.

  59. Bye bye, Have a great day Note*
    I was gladdened to see that Governor elect Christie was able to ram the LIBERAL BULLSHI# right back down the throats of the slime who were paidby the LIBS to try to cause Christie to somehow lose the election by trying to blame a concocted traffic jam,on Christie. Well 4 of the SLIMEY BASTARDS who took liberal money to perpetrate such an act are NOW WITHOUT JOBS. Good for Christie. The libs were completely defeated, even in their BULLSHI#. I watched the inaugeration and thought he delivered a great speech. I stand in Christie’s corner. BYE BYE Again!

  60. January 22, 2014

    Jason Kissner:

    “Barack Hussein Soebarkah?”

    “Ann Soetoro and Loretta Fuddy appear to have one very odd thing in common: both have been linked to the Subud cult, which originated in, of all places, Indonesia and was founded by the Javanese Muslim Muhammed Subuh.
    The smallish cult appears to have had, at least circa 2001 and according to this profile of sorts in the Honolulu Advertiser, 20,000 members worldwide. Notice the picture of Deliana Fuddy, then “regional helper” and member of the faith? Let’s return to her Subud status in a second.
    Note also that the World Subud organization seems to have been based in, of all cities….wait for it…Chicago. Indonesia…Chicago…Hawaii… three locales linked to Obama’s life.
    Next, observe that the Advertiser article states that Subud was introduced to Hawai’i in the 1960s (more on this in the conclusion).
    Now to Ann Soetoro. She was linked to Subud by her biographer (and New York Times reporter) Janny Scott (Harvard ’77) in the book A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother,” reviewed by the New York Times here.
    Loretta Fuddy was more than merely a follower of Subud; she worked her way up the ranks and became chairwoman of Subud USA, based in Seattle from 2006 to 2008, and was known to Subud not merely as Loretta Fuddy, but as “Deliana” Loretta Fuddy. In fact, you can see that in its headline, the official Subud “memorial” page drops “Loretta” and refers simply to “Deliana” Fuddy.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/barack_hussein_soebarkah.html

  61. January 8, 2014

    Miri:

    “An Insoluble Problem?”

    “The aforementioned, late Loretta Fuddy’s nickname was Deliana, so we have a Deliana problem. There’s some indication that the name Deliana is of Indonesian origin. Ms. Fuddy herself was born in British Columbia (or Hawaii–take your pick) to parents of Portuguese and Austrian ancestry, and apparently grew up on Molokai. Nevertheless, Ms. Fuddy was an adherent of Subud, an Indonesian mystic tradition, so it’s quite possible that her nickname had its roots in Indonesia, rather than the Greek isle of Delos.

    Obama, remember, was raised in Indonesia, in or very near the royal compound, because his adoptive father, Lolo Soetoro, was related to the Sultan, who was related to the founder of Subud, whose work was centered in Yogyakarta–the royal compound.

    Oddly enough, Obama once told some classmates in Hawaii that he himself is an Indonesian prince. An insoluble problem?”

    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2014/01/08/an-insoluble-problem/

  62. Gordo…………..
    Thanks for posting the stuff on Mssssssss.Fuddy. What else would anybody who has the capacity to think learn about her. It is probably dead on with the suspicions of a lot of people. After all anybody who would be willing to die to serve such a BASTARD,definitely has more than simple reasons in so doing.

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