Jobs report November 8, 2013, AP and mainstream media protect Obama, Blame shutdown, Pre and post shutdown data paints gloomy job picture, Labor force participation rate and part time jobs

Jobs report November 8, 2013, AP and mainstream media protect Obama, Blame shutdown, Pre and post shutdown data paints gloomy job picture, Labor force participation rate and part time jobs

“11.4%: What the U.S. unemployment rate would be if labor force participation were back to January 2008 levels.” …James Pethokoukis, American Enterprise Institute, June 2013

“Approximately 1 million more people could only find part time employment since Obama took office in January 2009.”…Citizen Wells August 2013

“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”…George Orwell, “1984″

The AP and mainstream have come to the aid of Obama prior to the release of the October jobs report. They have been preparing us for gloomy employment data by blaming it on the shutdown. While the employment data could be minimally skewed by the government shutdown, data prior to and after the shutdown reveals the truth about Obama’s economy.

From the Greensboro News Record November 7, 2013.

(The print edition heading was: “Jobs report will reflect shutdown”)

“Why a spike in October unemployment may not be so bad”

“The jobs report for October due out Friday may be bleak. It might even be scary. The unemployment rate could jump by the most in three years. Hiring may slow from an already weak pace.

Don’t panic.

The ugly figures will reflect the government’s partial shutdown, which coincided with 16 days in October. The trends for the job market will likely reverse themselves in coming months.

“It’s going to be a very messy report, and I don’t think we think should take it at face value,” said Jennifer Lee, an economist at BMO Capital Markets.
Economists warn that the unemployment rate could surge as high as 7.5 percent from 7.2 percent in September. That would be the steepest one-month rise since 2010.

The number of jobs added in October could slow to roughly 120,000 from the 148,000 added in September. That isn’t healthy. In the first nine months of this year, the average job gain was 180,000.

The shutdown will be mostly to blame. But its effect on the data won’t be easy to tease out. Economists have all but thrown up their hands trying to forecast Friday’s figures or to suggest what they might mean. However the numbers turn out, the distortions mean the monthly jobs data will be less useful in gauging the economy’s health than they normally are.

“We have much less confidence in these numbers than usual,” economists at Bank of America Merrill Lynch wrote in a note for clients.
Why the confusion?”

Read more:

http://www.news-record.com/news/local_news/article_199cdf62-4745-11e3-8138-001a4bcf6878.html

Pre shutdown data

………………………………………………. Jan 2009           Aug 2013

Labor force participation rate                 65.7                      63.2

Employment-population ratio                 60.6                     58.6

Want a job now                                               5700K                 6285K
not in labor force

From the Independent Review Journal September 19, 2013.
“5 Years Later: 16 Stats That Put Any Liberal’s Claim That Our Economy Is Healthy to Shame”

  • There are 12.6 percent more part time jobs and 4.6 percent fewer full time jobs.
  • Even with part time workers being counted the stated unemployment rate is 7.3 percent instead of 5 percent.
  • The labor force participation rate has plummeted 3 percent.
  • The average length of unemployment has risen from 17.7 weeks to 37 weeks.
  • Median household income has dropped $ 5,000.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/80348-16-stats-put-claim-economy-healthy-shame/

From the former US Labor Dept. BLS chief Keith Hall August 5, 2013.

“The July government employment report released Friday showed the job market treading water.”And a closer look at one of the two measures the Labor Department uses to gauge employment suggests that part-time work accounted for almost all the job growth that’s been reported over the past six months. …” ‘Over the last six months, of the net job creation, 97 percent of that is part-time work,’ said Keith Hall, a senior researcher at George Mason University’s Mercatus Center. ‘That is really remarkable.’”Hall is no ordinary academic. He ran the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the agency that puts out the monthly jobs report, from 2008 to 2012. Over the past six months, he said, the Household Survey shows 963,000 more people reporting that they were employed, and 936,000 of them reported they’re in part-time jobs.” ‘That is a really high number for a six-month period,’ Hall said. ‘I’m not sure that has ever happened over six months before.’ “”
“How, then, to explain what’s happened since January? Back to the McClatchy article and Hall, the former BLS chief:

“Hall speculated that the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, shorthanded as Obamacare, might be resulting in employers shifting workers to part-time status to avoid coming health care obligations.”

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/kyle-wingfield/2013/aug/05/obamacare-economy-35-part-time-jobs-every-new-full/

Recent Job News.

From The Economic Collapse Blog October 14, 2013.

“#9 The number of announced job cuts in September 2013 was 19 percent higher than the number of announced job cuts in September 2012.

#10 The labor force participation rate is the lowest that it has been in 35 years.

#11 As I mentioned the other day, the labor force participation rate for men in the 18 to 24 year old age bracket is at an all-time low.

#12 Approximately one out of every four part-time workers in America is living below the poverty line.

#13 Incredibly, only 47 percent of all adults in America have a full-time job at this point.”

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/22-reasons-to-be-concerned-about-the-u-s-economy-as-we-head-into-the-holiday-season

ADP October 2013 Employment Report.

“According to ADP National Employment Report findings, the U.S. private sector added a total of 130,000 jobs during the month of October, well below the average of the last twelve months. Small business growth was down from the previous month, while payrolls among large enterprises showed an increase.”

– Carlos Rodriguez, president and chief executive officer of ADP

Download the Press Release

View This Month’s Small Business Report

Change in Nonfarm Private Employment (in thousands) Tweet this chart

 

Read more:

http://www.adpemploymentreport.com/2013/October/NER/NER-October-2013.aspx

“U.S. planned layoffs rise in Oct -Challenger”

“The number of planned layoffs at U.S. firms rose 13.5 percent in October on cuts in the pharmaceutical and financial sectors, a report on Wednesday showed.

Employers announced 45,730 layoffs last month, up from 40,289 in September, according to the report from consultants Challenger, Gray & Christmas, Inc.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/06/usa-economy-jobs-challenger-idUSN9N0H000520131106

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106 responses to “Jobs report November 8, 2013, AP and mainstream media protect Obama, Blame shutdown, Pre and post shutdown data paints gloomy job picture, Labor force participation rate and part time jobs

  1. “The music from the telescreen stopped and a voice took over. Winston raised his head to listen. No bulletins from the front, however. It was merely a brief announcement from the Ministry of Plenty. In the preceding quarter, it appeared, the Tenth Three-Year Plan’s quota for bootlaces had been over-fulfilled by 98 per cent.”

    George Orwell “1984”

  2. Folks, It appears that some of the media may have stopped drinking the Kool_Aid……………….

    By Ron Fournier
    November 7, 2013

    I’m sorry, too, Mr. President.

    I’m sorry you couldn’t finesse a single Republican vote for health insurance reform in 2010.

    I’m sorry Republicans decided to re-litigate the law rather than help implement it, offering no serious alternative of their own for the nearly 50 million uninsured Americans.

    I’m sorry you campaigned for reelection on the famous false promise: “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan. Period.”

    I’m sorry your aides debated whether to tell the full truth (that people could keep their insurance only if it hadn’t changed and if it met your standards) and decided instead to institutionalize the lie.

    I’m sorry that when Americans recognized the deception you tried to reinvent history: “What we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.” No, no, no, no, no—that’s not what you guys said.

    I’m sorry you didn’t trust Americans with the truth.

    I’m sorry that the Democratic Party’s decades-old chase toward universal health care is now at risk because your law—your legacy, sir—is off to such a miserable start. The online networks don’t work and the people you need bought into the system, particularly young Americans, can’t access the market and now may never trust it … or you.

    READ MORE…….
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/i-m-sorry-too-mr-president-20131107

  3. Remember this song by Victoria Jackson — There’s a Communist Living in the White House: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWi182CMJY8

  4. Since the left is so gung ho to run Hillary in 2016, I think the rest of us should also attach her to this horrible healthscare bill. After all, it’s probably hers and most likely the one that has been sitting on a shelf or in some drawer waiting to be trotted out for a decade or two. It got its chance when “O” took office for the perfect progressive storm to take place. So this debacle should also bear her name. People need to know that if Hillary is elected, there will be absolutely no difference between her and Obama. They are both toxic to this country and freedom, liberty loving Americans.

  5. Regarding the Kirk Cameron video on the previous thread: It’s from a documentary produced last year by Kirk entitled, Monumental, America’s Search for National Treasure. That huge monument is in a town not far from Plymouth Rock. I just checked Amazon and the DVD is $13.02. Not bad. Kirk was on Glenn Beck’s show last year to promote this. Of course, the typical movie reviewers didn’t understand what he was trying to do, to show us how to get out of this national mess, so they gave him poor reviews. Kirk did sponsor showings at theaters across the country and the people who saw it loved it. I hope more people find this movie and especially that certain clip. Not enough Americans even know about this monument.

  6. Good morning CW et. al,

    It appears my hunch was correct. The single payer health care system is the ultimate goal. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Destroy the private health care system in order to save it….

    A must read..

    Ex-Marxist calls out Obama as ‘communist’

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/is-obama-leading-america-into-communism/?cat_orig=us

  7. I love that song Commander.

  8. Good morning William, et al.

  9. “Forecast: tepid

    The U.S. economy probably added about 100,000 net jobs in October, according to the consensus of economists surveyed by MarketWatch. If hiring turns out that low, it would mark the third-worst performance since the beginning of 2012.

    The effect of the shutdown on hiring is unclear. Some firms that rely heavily on government contracts did lay off some workers, but most companies saw little change in the operations. And the government workers sent home from work during the budget fight will still be considered employed under the so-called establishment survey used to calculate net job creation.

    Perhaps the biggest problem: the shutdown delayed some of the government’s data collection. That could possibly make the numbers less reliable than usual.”

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-to-look-for-in-us-employment-report-2013-11-07?dist=beforebell

  10. More job killing from Obama.

    “The White House has thrown its weight behind a proposal to raise the federal minimum wage to at least $10 an hour.

    “The president has long supported raising the minimum wage so hard-working Americans can have a decent wage for a day’s work to support their families and make ends meet,” a White House official said.”

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/08/business/10-minimum-wage-proposal-has-obamas-backing.html?from=homepage

  11. From the US Labor Dept. at 9:00 AM.

    “Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 204,000 in October, and the
    unemployment rate was little changed at 7.3 percent, the U.S. Bureau of
    Labor Statistics reported today.”

    “The civilian labor force was down by 720,000 in October. The labor
    force participation rate fell by 0.4 percentage point to 62.8 percent
    over the month. Total employment as measured by the household survey
    fell by 735,000 over the month and the employment-population ratio
    declined by 0.3 percentage point to 58.3 percent. This employment
    decline partly reflected a decline in federal government employment.”

  12. “Ok, so to add up to the headline number at least part-time jobs should have soared right? Wrong. Because according to the BLS another 127K part-time jobs were lost in the month, for a total of 750K full- and part-time losses. In other words, the BLS’ random number generator was working on overdrive once again.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-08/623000-full-time-jobs-lost-last-month

  13. From >>> March 27, 2010

    Laurie Roth:

    “Hitler’s and Obama’s health enabling acts”

    “President Hitler signed a shockingly similar bill with similar tactics used to get it signed….threats, harassment, false promises, intimidation, invented crises. Gee….did Obama take lessons from Hitler? He certainly proudly taught ACORN workers from Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals, so why not go back to the original power crazed, crowd manipulator and evil visionary? On that fateful day, March 23rd Hitler signed into law the National Law for Removing the Distress of the People bill. It was also called Hitler’s Enabling Act.

    Look at the similarities:

    Obama shockingly also signed the constitution shredding, freedom stealing health care bill into law March 23, 2010 – 77 years later to the day. He also gave speech after speech on America’s ‘crisis’ of health care and need for massive Government intervention and correction.”

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/print-friendly/21421
    ==========
    “Enabling Act of 1933”

    “The Enabling Act (German: Ermächtigungsgesetz) was a 1933 amendment to the Weimar Constitution that gave the German Cabinet – in effect, Chancellor Adolf Hitler – the power to enact laws without the involvement of the Reichstag. It passed in both the Reichstag and Reichsrat on 23 March 1933, and was signed by President Paul von Hindenburg later that day. The act stated that it was to last four years unless renewed by the Reichstag, which occurred twice. For all intents and purposes, the Enabling Act gave Hitler plenary powers and made him the dictator of Germany. …”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

  14. Egyptian lawyers to file formal charges against Obama !!!!! lawyershttp://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/11/obama-accused-of-crimes-against-humanity.html

  15. November 8, 2013

    “BREAKING! EXCLUSIVE! MONUMENTAL BREAKTHROUGH in Birth Certificate Case!”

    “Carl Gallups (founder of PPSIMMONS News and Ministry Network and host of Freedom Friday With Carl Gallups on 1330 WEBY – Gulf Coast Talk Radio) has just released the following statement concerning the White House birth certificate investigation and the ongoing investigation by the Cold Case Posse.

    While I am not an official spokesperson for Mike Zullo and Sheriff Arpaio – here is what I can tell you at this point: The investigation has never gone silent and it has never stopped. Mike Zullo and I have been telling you (for months) that this investigation took a deeper turn some time back. Well – it not only took a deeper turn – but it has now become much, much deeper! Deeper than you could ever imagine!

    Mike has been traveling around the country the last two weeks as a result of this new branch of investigation. The implications of what has been uncovered (with hard documentation and evidence) are absolutely astounding – it is beyond monumental. As a result – the investigation work has increased 100-fold in intensity. This is why Mike Zullo has made no recent comments. The necessity for absolute 100% confidentiality is too important. I would not expect a detailed comment from Mike Zullo or Sheriff Arpaio for a while. This is simply too big to let even a hint out about what they now know.”

    http://www.ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2013/11/breaking-exclusive-monumental.html

  16. GORDO | November 8, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Hi GORDO,

    This is all well and good however, Gallups has been baiting us for over a year with ‘big things happening.’ Zullo and the Cold Case Posse have chipped away by talking to one Congresscritter at a time. This is moving too slowly; barky will be out of office by the time anything comes of it.

    NO MORE BAITING! GET ON WITH IT!!!

  17. “North Carolina’s largest insurer is having its share of problems with the Obamacare website.

    Internal emails obtained by WNCN-TV show that Blue Cross Blue Shield show that only 1,000 people had filled out applications as of October 15th.

    In fact, only one person was able to successfully use Healthcare.gov to enroll in the newexchange.

    But even that single person has not paid, which means the enrollment is not complete.’

    “Blue Cross Blue Shield found the entire system is so filled with glitches that the company decided not to upload data because it was afraid false information might enter its computer system.”

    http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2013/11/08/rocky-start-for-north-carolina-health-care-exchanges/

  18. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I would have to agree with Sue.

    All Zullo and Gallups are telling us is “The investigation is moving soooooo fast, slow to the average person, but fast in the “investigation world”.

    And then crickets.

    And then they’ll say something like,

    “we’ve been talking to “someone”, but we can’t tell you who it is or their position, but we’re confidant this person is going to help us”

    And then nothing.

    Now this.

    I’m not holding my breath.

    At the rate they are going, Obama will be dead and gone by the time the investigation’s evidence is presented.

    I would suggest that Zullo is getting a good view of the whole country at the expense of “supporters”.

    I would state that I’m sorry I feel this way, but I’m not sorry.

    Ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?

  19. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I’m not surprised Obama isn’t having to explain his “If you like your doctor/insurance” line he spouted over and over.

    In the world where UP is DOWN, it’s not a huge expectation to be told the truth.

    But honestly, Obama “told” us the truth before he was elected.

    If you went to his website, you would have read that his beliefs in the issues were much differant than what he was saying on the “stump”.

    I just find it unbelievable that people can lie so freely.

    It shows a lack of integrity and character.

    You may not (and probably don’t) like me, but by golly when I say something, I MEAN it and it is the TRUTH as I know it.

    I am up front, and you know what you get in me. I don’t tell people what they want to hear, I tell them what they NEED to hear. THAT’S what friends do.

    ALL of our Politicians are slimey, creepy slugs.

    I would like to know the truth so I can make an informed decision. Just be honest and allow me to make up my own mind.

    That’s asking too much I suppose.

  20. November 8, 2013

    “Team Arpaio Obtained Hard Document Evidence; Bigger Than Birth Certificate”

    “As reported here Carl Gallups of Freedom Friday gave an update in the investigation into Obama’s forged birth certificate and forged selective service registration. Gallups just gave another update on his radio show reiterating the investigation has not gone silent or stopped. He says it has gotten deeper and darker than ever imagined saying it is now much bigger than the birth certificate. He says the implications are astounding and could be history changing.”

    http://www.birtherreport.com/2013/11/team-arpaio-now-have-hard-document-evidence.html

  21. http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/11/08/south-dakota-washington-state-breaks-snowfall-records/

    Executive Orders on Climate Change; but God is not cooperating with King Barry.

  22. Need some input here from CW and CWers regarding 2016.

    Many are saying that the wildebeest (Hitlery) will be the Democrap nominee; Ted Cruz’ name is also out there and he’s gaining steam, even though the GOP establishment hates him.

    Now, we know what the wildebeest represents (more of the same we’re getting now) however, Cruz is the type of nominee we need. We also know he is not an NBC.

    So, the question is: What do we do if Cruz is the nominee rather than the human blimp Christie, or yet another Bush, Jeb, or Rand Paul? Those of us who can’t vote for him because of his citizenship status are left with what, exactly? Vote third party and split the Repub vote? We saw what just happened in VA when the electorate did that. Not vote at all and hand the election to another corrupt Clinton?

    Any thoughts?

  23. Bill G | November 8, 2013 at 7:26 pm |

    Hi Bill,

    Man made ‘climate cange’ is a myth, and has been proven to be so; what man has put into the atmosphere is miniscule, in the grand scheme of things on the planet. It is negligible.

    We should know by know what this regime is all about: Control.

    This is just another excuse to control ’emissions’ (read that as bankrupt the coal industry) via barky’s EPA thugs thus, to exercise more control over the population by slapping more and more regulations on industry.

    The good news, however, is that the changes that would need to be made will take a very long time to implement; most of it would not be settled by the time he leaves office if, in fact, he ever plans to leave office.

    I still feel that he will not complete his second term…

  24. MortimerGarfinkle

    If a non-eligible person gets the GOP nomination (Cruz, Jindal, Rubio) then we can just kiss America goodbye. Hillary will be the only eligible candidate running in the general election and she will continue Obama’s destructive policies. A vote for a non-eligible person is just as destructive to America as Hillary getting elected. It cements the death of the Constitution.

  25. Mortimer-Garfinkle……..
    You are about 90% accurate in what you are saying,at least as I see it all…….but there is a STILL SILENT MAJORITY among us who I PRAY EVERYDAY will soon do what is necessary to return America to a Constitutional control,and prosecute ALL of those who have followed the path of TREASONOUS behavior. I watched C SPAN today for about an hour,and in the interim all I was able to see and hear was people like MSSSSSSSSSSS.Tavener,MsssssssssssssMaloney,and Msssssssssss.Calante all three LIE and TWIST words. Believe it or not NOT ONE OF THE ELECTED LEADERS either Republican,or Democrat really tried to get the truth out of any one of the three. Watching the STUPID ,STARING BLANK LOOK which was etched upon the faces of all three was enough to make an insane person sane. It was so obvious …..even a grade school child would have been able to see the deceit which was written all over their faces.. With respect to Mssssssssss,Baloney Maloney,I tend to think that even Bawney Fwank had more brains than Maloney. Unfortunately the functioning portion of his brain was,and still is …..in his A$$. I refer you to a 7 dollar bill,for comparison……..har har

  26. If the aforementioned three are examples of the upper echelon of the whackey house, then the danger we are facing is by far much worse than ANYONE thinks. None of the problems that have been plagueing America will EVER go away,until the SILENT MAJORITY gets off their A$$es and follow the instructions contained in the Declaration of Independence.

  27. The Liberal LEFT WING NUTS own Obamacare,and many of them are now expressing their own concerns about it as such. Unfortunately locking the stable door doesn’t help, once the horse has escaped. Now that all of Americas drug heads,and the do nothing general SLIME of our culture have signed up for Medicaid the coming economical TSUNAMI will soon be rearing it’s ugly head. If you want to be a HELP toward restoring America,it might be time to JOIN THE SLIMES on welfare, or disability..Hell you will even have Obamacare to rely upon for your healthcare.

  28. Get your property,and money out of your name,and then sign up for WELFARE and food stamps. Don’t own anything, lest the sheriff of Nottingham will be visitting you ……after which you could own NOTHING. Let the big government freaks learn the hard way. The more people on food stams alone will push the collapse of the BIG GOVERNMENT. Combine that with the ACA and the TSUNAMI will get even bigger.

  29. bye bye Have a great day! Godbless!

  30. Sue,
    My choice for now…….Rand Paul and Ben Carson. Both outstanding candidates. And Paul will draw in the Libertarians and Carson is a new face in politics that may bring in the African American vote.

  31. It Begins… St. Louis Woman Is Victim of ID Theft After Signing Up for O-Care (Video)

    We were warned this could happen. A St. Louis woman found out she was a victim of identity theft this week after she signed up for Obamacare.

    Lisa Martinson called customer service after she forgot her password. That’s when she was told three different people were given the password to her account, her address and her Social Security number. Then she was told it would take up to five days to get her personal information offline.

    O-Care officials say they are investigating the situation.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/st-louis-woman-is-victim-of-id-theft-after-signing-up-for-o-care-video/

  32. MortimerGarfinkle, oldsailor, et al.
    I would like to see one of the NBC deficient GOP candidates request an advisory opinion from the FEC regarding matching funds & their eligibility.

  33. SueK.
    We cannot allow the Dems to win in 2016.
    Period!

  34. cfKerchner………..re Nov.7 10:20 PM
    From one old sailor to another,…….”.10-4″.

  35. Jonah………..
    Was she a LIBERAL?

  36. CW………..

    You hit the nail squarely upon the head…….matching funds and eligibility, should both get really interesting, when UP IS DOWN.

  37. CW…….
    Running “KILLARY” for POTUS is the same as OPENING THE DOOR TO THE HENHOUSE to a FOX. Of course the NINCOMPOOPS who support her haven’t the slightest knowledge of her SLIMEY (to say the least) past. Her NON EXISTENT CHARACTER tells on her with every step she takes. UP IS DOWN!

  38. As long as the S.O.B. gets exposed, I don’t care how it happens or who did it.

  39. And good morning my CW friends. 🙂

  40. …………I tend to think that “Slick Willy’s alleged comment regarding a certain fact regarding his wife’s past is probably accurate. Everytime I see a picture of her I think of MSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.O’DONNELL, the QUEER DIRIGIBLE.

  41. I.B.,

    I disagree my friend. At time, like you and others, I too get frustrated with exposing Obama as not quick enough. But we could simply put the proper blame where is lays, and that is at the feet of Congress. However, we know where most every one of those cowards stand don’t we! Most all of them are more concerned about their careers, than this country, including those that claim they are “Constitutionalists”… BS…

    So now we have a single Sheriff in the entire United States taking a stand, that no leader in Congress will do… I call that honorable, even if nothing else becomes of it. At least they stepped up to the plate.

  42. SueK…… Here is my choice!

    http://www.lee.senate.gov/public/

  43. William…………
    You got that last remark to IB right on the money, bud!

  44. I agree with the Sheriff and Mike Zullo and their methodical approach. It reminds me of a quote I read many years ago and had to look it back up. It follows:

    “When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

    I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

    When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

    Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.”

    Unknown Monk, 1100AD

  45. William………
    I watched part of Soetoro’s BULLSHI# session at New Orleans, and I didn’t see any flies orbiting his head. Without a doubt Soetoro now has one of his GOON SQUAD members manning the ANTI AIRCRAFT FLIT GUN. Hope they are good with their AIM.

  46. William…….
    It stands to reason that nobody can change the past,but when folks fail to consider the past when contemplating the future, they often repeat the errors of their past.

  47. OldSailor,

    I heard that every Secret Service member has now been armed and mandated they carry side arms of “fly-swatters” and a can of “Off”… 🙂

  48. oldsailor81 | November 9, 2013 at 11:19 am |

    William…….
    It stands to reason that nobody can change the past,but when folks fail to consider the past when contemplating the future, they often repeat the errors of their past.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Absolutely correct my friend… Very true statement.

  49. Maybe he replaced his deoderant spray with a little RAID.

  50. William…..
    We can talk about all of the Soetoro sickness till hell freezes over, but NOTHING WILL CHANGE until the people of America unite, become an ARMED force of about 200,000,000,and do what the Declaration of Independence tells us we need to do, NOTHING will change. In 1776 there was the Minutemen. All of the problems we are now seeing in our government could ALL be resolved in ONE MINUTE, as well. It is up to the PEOPLE of America………keep sitting on your butts and I guarantee NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

  51. Oldsailor,

    Just to enhance your comment of learning from the past, my oldest daughters friend whom I personally like (they are just friends and he is a young man) is going through such moments. I am highly disappointed in him at this time, and he is aware of it.

    In brief, 3 months ago he got a DUI, paid for attorney and court costs, plus had to serve a weekend in jail. He then got another one last month, and once again, had to pay for attorney and court costs plus this time he must serve 45 days and now has lost his job. He wont be out until mid December. I am highly pissed at him at this time. He called me to let me know about his error and apologized to me. I explained to him, once out, he is coming over to my house and “Expect” a tongue lashing and lecture!!! He is ashamed, but I am about to set him straight.

    Great kid, poor choices of partying and driving. He also attended trade school is a very highly qualified welder, including underwater welding. Damm high paying job and skill. I’m working on him.

  52. Sueq…….
    What deoderant. That has probably been a big part of the problem all along. It is a well known fact that pathetically few Muslims even TAKE A bath, or even use toilet paper. A friend who was involved with DESERT STORM told me that when you got downwind from the prisoners, the air became permeated with their BODY ODORS……enough to GAG A MAGGOT from a GUT WAGON.

  53. By the way,

    Watching Fox news while here. I cannot stand watching “Juan” Smiling like a little kid when others are speaking of this problems with Obamacare, as if everyone is an idiot and he takes it all as a Joke.

  54. SueQ | November 9, 2013 at 11:24 am |

    Maybe he replaced his deoderant spray with a little RAID.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Can we go into business together and possibly market this? 🙂

    Every hunter in the world would by this stuff. LOL…

  55. William…….
    Sounds to me like he is a PRIMARY CANDIDATE for Navy Salvage diver’s training. They carry a PRESTIGE level that comes close to equating with the Seals. In fact many of the Seals also possess similar skills which in many instances become important because there is ALWAYS the potential for a need of their skills in combat situations. Perhaps he needs to consider entering the Navy. The military services have changed their policy regarding past offenses by young people, especially offenses which are legally described as MIS DEMEANORS.

  56. William………
    I have for a very long time regarded Juan Williams as certainly one of the most MORONIC people I have EVER listened to. How the hell he even was able to become an employee of Foxnews is beyond me,but it gives rise to a question regarding the qualifications of their human resource managers.

  57. William………
    If you hold a pilot’s license perhaps it is time for you to take him for the same ride that your father provided for you once upon a time. He would probably have a very large deposit of FECES in his NICKERS thereafter.

  58. William………….
    I have to mention that at 10,000 feet UP CAN BECOME DOWN in microseconds……..har har.

  59. OldSailor,

    He needs leadership of some kind. I didn’t think of the Navy, but that would certainly be a good choice, but much less paying job. He is flown all over the country to work on things such as under water welding of barges. He is only 23 years old.

    However, he calls me while I’m in Alabama to explain his second offence and apologize. He knows I would be pissed at him and I guess he felt it would be best for himself to explain it to me, than to learn otherwise from second hand. He was correct. I have little room personally for such stupidity. Everyone knows, that if you wish to come to my house, I’ll provide the drinks, BBQ and grill for everyone, and we’ll put on the music, and tell lies all day long about dating and girlfriends in the past; but you will NOT get behind the wheel of a vehicle while doing so.

  60. OldSalior,

    I don’t, but yeah, that would be a great Idea…. I think this summer I am going to get my pilot license. Just to do it…

  61. …..”lazy eights”, cross axial spirals, and last but not least a few nose up stalls, nothing like a little weightlessness,to inspire the passenger. Har har

  62. Only difference was I was hung over (possibly still drunk since it was only a matter of hours) when my father did that to me… LOL..

  63. I will never forget his pilot shades staring down at me, telling me – “GET-UP and NOW”! I knew I was in so much trouble… LOL

  64. William………..
    Most student pilots only require about 8 hours of dual instruction, which gets pretty salty these days. Once you demonstrate to the instructor that you can safely get the airplane aloft, and land it without incident,you will probably at that point receive your STUDENT PILOT CERTIFICATION, then the real work begins because you will still be under the instructionary phase of your training, which will involve such aspects as navigation,which is often incorporated with a few cross countries to ascertain if you have learned anything. Once you are able to do a successful cross country, and can demonstrate to a CAB examiner,your overall ability to safely get from point A to point be,and back again you might be awarded a PRIVATE PILOT’s license. Then you need to go looking for a TAIL DRAGGER to own so that you can familiarise yourself about the required periodics ,etc,and round out your overall ability. Nothing like learning to fly a tail dragger.

  65. He didn’t need to go through all that, just what he did alone made me sick, which was his whole point.. 🙂 Out in the middle of the NM dessert, it was a small airport next to the Mexican border, but I had flown with him all my life as a child. So I knew and know what he was capable of as an experienced pilot, but he never did those things while flying us as family. But this time, by golly, it was intentionally different. 🙂

    It was the first time in my life, I truly felt G-forces in many different ways, including negative. He laughs about it to this day. Always says, “well, you didn’t do that again did you”? Nope, I didn’t….

  66. My former Operations boss owns the airport in my area and many planes. He is also an instructor. So is easy for me to do it. I have flown with him many times. I just need to find the time.

  67. …………A classic example of a tail dragger is the venerable,very forgiving,and certainly historic J-3 Piper Cub, at 65 HP it was probably responsible for more trained pilots than any other aircraft of it’s day. Today this tiny KNAT commands very high prices. There are other knats which are nearly as famous as the J-3. Certainly I would be remiss if I didn’t mention the Aeronca 7AC Champ, or the Taylorcraft BC-12. Both were great little KNATS,and I will never forget them.

  68. But getting back to the thread, I have to say that I take my hat off to all of the Arizona Sheriff’s posse of Maricopa County for their efforts to expose the USURPER, and in harmony with them was Orly Taitz, who in her Russian innocense,and languishing ways,was never able to convince any Federal judge of the seriousness of the problem at hand. Of course we all know that all of the Federal judges are in fact PART AND PARCEL with the ongoing CONSPIRACY. Hopefully I will live long enough to watch at least half of nthem become occupants of 6’x8′ cells at Leavenworth for permanent vacations.

  69. Oldsailor,

    When My father got his private pilot license prior to going into the military, was in 1960. He was a Senior in high school and it was with a crop duster airplane. I don’t know the brand other than it was a bi-plane.

  70. And it had a stick, not a yoke.

  71. …………..and hopefully I will have an opprotunity to walk past each cell,and SPIT upon the OCCUPANT. Hopefully these words tell the magnitude of my hatred for these BASTARDS. In the end we will WIN.

  72. Everywhere Soetoro goes he touts the alleged job growth,but sadly he hasn’t said one word regarding the job LOSSES. If you add 100,000 jobs and there are an equal number of losses or layoffs you havn’t done anything except shovel manure against the tide. ofd course though we have to remember that UP IS DOWN with Soetoro, and his GOON SQUAD.

  73. Bye bye, I have said far too much, and I apologise to everyone. Have a great day, and Godbless.

  74. Thanks, CW, et al., for your input regarding my query as to what we do if Cruz is the nominee.

    Sure, we all have our opinion as to the team the Repubs should run in 2016 however, we have no input as to who the nominees will be.

    That said, it appears that in order to tank the Dems, we will need to vote for a candidate whether or not he/she is eligible to hold the office.

    Again, a third party candidate would split the vote and hand the election to the wildebeest. If Cruz is the nominee, we suck it up and vote for a non-NBC?

    Helluva dilemma….

  75. Yep,
    And he “Trots” and buckle walks with speed up to any microphone as if he is a Hollywood star, bypassing salutes from the military. Look at me….

  76. Calls Begin For Obama’s Impeachment & Removal Over Serial Fraud & Corruption

    Democrats expected to get away with this lie.
    But, Barack Obama may be looking at impeachment and removal from office.
    Andrew McCarthy at National Review reported, via Free Republic:

    “If you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan. Period.” How serious was this lie, repeated by Barack Obama with such beguiling regularity? Well, how would the Justice Department be dealing with it if it had been uttered by, say, the president of an insurance company rather than the president of the United States?

    Fraud is a serious federal felony, usually punishable by up to 20 years’ imprisonment — with every repetition of a fraudulent communication chargeable as a separate crime. In computing sentences, federal sentencing guidelines factor in such considerations as the dollar value of the fraud, the number of victims, and the degree to which the offender’s treachery breaches any special fiduciary duties he owes. Cases of multi-million-dollar corporate frauds — to say nothing of multi-billion-dollar, Bernie Madoff–level scams that nevertheless pale beside Obamacare’s dimensions — often result in terms amounting to decades in the slammer.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

  77. SueK,

    I love ya and completely respect you. I will always seek your advice pertaining your expertise. I am certainly not alone with that statement as I am confident we all feel the same.

    However, I cannot in any good faith, vote for any candidate that is not eligible for the highest office of our Country. I simply cannot do it. 2 wrongs don’t make a right, in my opinion. It is for this reason alone, that less than 4 million Republican voters didn’t turn out and vote in 2012, as most were disappointed in our elected officials (RINO’s). It will continue.

  78. Without a teleprompter, Obama is a backstreet hustler lost in his own world. With a teleprompter, he attempts to sound intelligent, but cannot help his backstreet hustler persona to add to it, and still sounds like a bumbling idiot.
    In personal interviews, he is ever worse. Main reason he is kept from such interviews. He doesn’t know what’s going on, but attempts to pretend he does. Reason why direct questions are prohibited during interviews. One only needs to review past interviews where his answers or speaking capabilities become incoherent. Such as: Well, Um, what I did, was um, that as you know, was, um, um, um, such a um way, that um, we could um, come together, and um, um, um, you know, um, that this is critical in America, because, um, um, we need to come together.

  79. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I predict that Rick Santorum will be the Republican nominee in 2016.

    Sorry but the Republicans have proven over the last several election cycles, including the Bush nominatio,n that they are not interested in fielding a winning candidate.

    The Republican wing of the Democrat party simply wants to nominate someone who will continue on with the “agenda”.

  80. Interested Bystander

    William,

    We can agree to disagree, because Zullo and Gallups have been stringing us along for quite a while.

    Zullo usually says something like within the next few weeks “something” big will happen, and then nothing.

    It gets tiring and very dissappointing to be let down EVERY time.

    WHEN does the bomb drop?

    Too late I’m afraid.

    I admired Zullo and Arpaio when this first came out, but since then they have been spinning the same story.

    “But something big is about to drop…………..you just wait!!!”

  81. Thornton Parsons

    William, et al., Juan Williams is disappointing at best. He has forgotten that when NPR fired him, we were all outraged and everyone rallied to his side. Fox News even gave him a $2M contract. Now he marginalizes everyone losing their health insurance; everyone who supported him . . . in defense of what and whom?

  82. SueK
    I don’t necessarily see Ted Cruz, were he to actually be nominated, as a negative…
    If, in fact, he were to become president, it would be unlikely the Constitution would be changed any more than it already is. It is still the Constitution but, until this NBC issue is addressed, it will be suffering no more abuse than it currently is anyway.
    Be any of that as it may, and considering, for a moment, the above-mentioned to become an actuality, I would certainly rather see an unqualified patriot sitting in the Whitehouse as opposed to an Islamo-communist alien, as we have at present. It would be akin to bringing in an outside contractor, as is sometimes done in large corporations, to get them back on track…
    This only addresses a worst case scenario and, aside from all that, I believe he would make an excellent speaker, attorney general, or something of equivalent importance.

  83. IB and William,

    I have a theory about Zullo and Gallups. I believe from time to time Gallups goes on air and says something like, “I just talked to Zullo and the investigation is really intensifying”, and so on. Then the Obama camp gets nervous and starts doing really stupid things in an effort to find out what they know, which in turn pops up on their (Zullo and Arpiao’s) radar and clues them in. Just my 2 cents.

  84. This tactic could also serve as a kind of life insurance policy, because Gallups said others including himself knew what the information is and if anything happened to Zullo, the information would go public the next day. There’s 2 more cents for you. Don’t say I never gave you nothin. 🙂

  85. SueQ
    Arpaio is a cop…Gallups is an entertainer…now, who’s radio show are you going to be listening to…online…and in the gulf-state area?…

  86. SueQ.
    Good theory.

  87. coldwarvet2 | November 9, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    SueK
    I don’t necessarily see Ted Cruz, were he to actually be nominated, as a negative…
    If, in fact, he were to become president, it would be unlikely the Constitution would be changed any more than it already is. It is still the Constitution but, until this NBC issue is addressed, it will be suffering no more abuse than it currently is anyway.
    ******************************
    Coldwarvet and SueK,
    I’ve been personally thinking long and hard about the NBC issue and have to agree that I may have to vote for one who may not meet the qualifications that we hold to here. You give my reasons, too, i.e., the Constitution is already being ripped apart in very important ways that threaten our basic freedoms. We cannot, we must not let the worst of the worst gain control of the W.H., that is, if we hold together until 2016.

    We all know that the Repubs have failed, but it is nonsense, imho, to say that there is no difference between them. Who voted for O’Care? Not one Repub voted for it. By and large, the Dems are the party of death. Compare platforms. There are bad Repubs, too, of course, but nearly all would repudiate the communistic direction that the Democratic Socialists would boldly and openly take us.

    My decision is not set in stone, because two years is an eternity in politics.

  88. This is really weird. The birther issue is why I was attracted to CW’s in the first place. And now I hear that three people that I have great respect for are considering a vote for someone not a NBC in 2016?

  89. MortimerGarfinkle

    The GOP should be able to find someone as good as Ted Cruz or Bobby Jindal but who is Constitutionally eligible to be President. There are a lot of good intelligent people out there with common sense. There’s something wrong with the GOP and the people who support the GOP.

  90. Hi All, and again, thanks for your input.

    First of all, I will NOT vote for a Constitutionally ineligible nominee; the sentence in my last post had a question mark at the end.

    Not to open up a whole ‘nother topic on this thread, but my question was hypothetical: What IF Cruze is the nominee? What do we do then? We know the wildebeest has the Dem machine behind her, in addition to the Globalists.

    So, we have an ineligible candidate on the one hand, and the Clinton regime on the other. I would never vote for the wildebeest, but what do we do as far as voting against her? Who? Is it time for a third party? I don’t know, but it seems to be coming down to that with the old time Repubs going over to the dark side and becoming RINOs, while the young, true Conservatives are vilified by that same old guard.

    I don’t think Cruz will be the nominee however, I heard from a former Cape Codder who now lives in TX and he said it’s standing room only at Cruz’ events; he’s very popular in his home state.

    My question was: What if it’s Hitlery vs. Cruz with no strong third party in the mix? What the hell do we do?

  91. Sue Q
    Bottom line is that “someone” is going to occupy the office of President after the ’16 election…I will try to best of my ability to make sure it is NOT any kind of a dem…period!…Cruz is riding the crest of the Republican wave as of now, primarily due to “name recognition”… after the debacle with the ACA, he will be seen as a leader even amongst the lo fo’s…yes…there are lo fo’s in the conservative ranks as well as the independents that couldn’t be reached politically in the last election…right now I don’t see anyone in any of the partys that has the ability to galvanize his base the way Cruz is doing…hopefully, that will all change, but if it doesn’t before the primaries, THAT is when the big decisions have to be made NOT when we suddenly realize (during the debates)that none of our prospective candidates has a chance against the Hidabeast…while I’m on the subject, don’t let our esteemed representatives escape the fact that our voting system needs to be overhauled…or it won’t matter who the dems run…

  92. I want Sarah Palin to throw her name in the ring…sure would make things very interesting for debates and maybe just maybe she could win the Republican nomination….that would piss a lot of people off! hahaha then pick Mike Lee as VP! Can you see her go up against Hillary? She could ask Hillary where she was that awful night that four HERO’S were murdered.

  93. coldwarvet2
    People in each state and each voting district had better get out there and demand change in their voting machines. Ours is paper and put through a machine that counts the number that had voted. I watch before and after I put my paper vote through the machine. Most of all there is a paper trail. I have to show my voting card, picture ID, and sign next to my name! Every one in every state should have to vote our way…less cheating!!!

    WE NEED PAPER TRAILS and NOT ELECTRONIC MACHINES.

    Also….In the Democratic areas someone needs to sit out by the front and back door of the polling places and have the video cameras ready to film the Demo-rats carrying in their boxes of illegal votes! Film them through the windows loading the machines.

  94. Ginger
    they do have people in the front and back at the doors of polling places…they are known as “Black Panthers”…they don’t have video cameras though..

  95. coldwarvet2 | November 9, 2013 at 8:28 pm |

    Hi cwv,

    I understand your reasoning, but if Cruz (or even a NBC Rino) is the nominee I will probably not vote anymore. And it will be the first time in about forty years that I will not have voted, (even during off years). I always saw voting as a priviledge. Now it seems pretty meaningless.

  96. To the best of my knowledge there has not been a Constutional Convention at any point during the Soetoro administration. Therefore legally the Constitution is still intact as such. Unfortunately the administration along with Congress,and the DOJ have simply refused to uphold it. ………….Which is a treasonous act. Sadly the SNOTNOSED OVEREDUCATED WORDSMITHS think that they are the absolute SUPERIOR beings on earth therefore they know better than the founders as to what the founders wrote.

  97. Sadly the liberal mindset of so many of todays college grads will eventually be their UNDOING. We see more ,and more of these young OVEREDUCATED WORDSMITHS trying to INTERPRET what the Constitution really says. They think that it MUST be INTERPRETED. It was written by people who probably had a better grasp on the use of the english language, than the SNOTNOSED LITTLE OVEREDUCATED WORDSMITHS WILL EVER COMMAND.

  98. I sometimes think that lo fo’s are much happier. But I guess that after you graduate, you can’t go back.

  99. When our youngsters emerge from college with such a mindset it becomes obvious that they have been led to believe that UP is DOWN during their college years,by progressive oriented faculty, and in most instances even the high school years of the student. So we end up with young college grads who don’t even understand much of the wording of such documents as the Constitution. This translates to young college grads who havn’t even an 8 th grade level of scholastic ability.

  100. Goodnight all Have a great day tomorrow, Godbless!

  101. Frankly speaking I never really understood the reason why there was a need to change the way America voted. We always had the election results very soon after all of the votes were tabulated. It seemed to work fine. So maybe it is time to return to YESTERYEAR, at least there was nobody who could hack into the election results. The machines were MECHANICALLY operated, and any tampering would be seen from the very first vote. In addition we had precinct workers who were at least intelligent enough to UNDERSTAND that the law allowed only ONE VOTE per person.

  102. oldsailor81…..AMEN

  103. oldsailor81 | November 9, 2013 at 10:36 am |
    Jonah………..
    Was she a LIBERAL?
    ========================
    I don’t know what her political views are.

    William | November 9, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    So now we have a single Sheriff in the entire United States taking a stand, that no leader in Congress will do… I call that honorable, even if nothing else becomes of it. At least they stepped up to the plate.
    =============================
    I agree.

    Ginger | November 9, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    SueK…… Here is my choice!
    http://www.lee.senate.gov/public/
    =======================
    Also good choice for president.

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