Obama seeks support for Syrian strike, September 2, 2013, Congressional approval, Lobbying blitz, Classified intelligence presented to congressmen, John McCain and Lyndsay Graham favor broader measures

Obama seeks support for Syrian strike, September 2, 2013, Congressional approval, Lobbying blitz, Classified intelligence presented to congressmen, John McCain and Lyndsay Graham favor broader measures

“we do know that Islamic extremists with ties to Al-Qa’ida participated in the attack.”…CIA Benghazi talking points memo

“400 US surface-to-air missiles were ‘STOLEN’ from Libya during the Benghazi attack and are ‘now in the hands of Al Qaeda’, claims whistleblower”…The Mail Online August 13, 2013

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”…Barack Obama

From the NY Times September 2, 2013.

“The Obama administration began a full-press campaign on Sunday for Congressional approval of its plan to carry out a punitive strike against the Syrian government.

The lobbying blitz stretched from Capitol Hill, where the administration held its first classified briefing on Syria open to all lawmakers, to Cairo, where Secretary of State John Kerry reached Arab diplomats by phone in an attempt to rally international support for a firm response to the Aug. 21 chemical weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus.

Mr. Kerry appeared on five morning talk shows, announcing new evidence — that the neurotoxin sarin had been used in the attack that killed more than 1,400 people — and expressing confidence that Congress would ultimately back the president’s plan for military action.

Behind closed doors on Capitol Hill, the administration presented classified intelligence to any senator or House member who wished to attend. About 80 did, but some from both parties emerged from the briefing convinced that the draft language authorizing military action would need to be tightened.

The rush of activity came a day after Mr. Obama’s surprise decision to seek the authorization of Congress for a strike on the Syrian government.”

“Syria’s deputy foreign minister, Faisal Mekdad, told reporters in Damascus, “It is clear there was a sense of hesitation and disappointment in what was said by President Barack Obama yesterday. And it is also clear there was a sense of confusion, as well.”

In some measure, part of the challenge that the Obama administration faces in trying to rally support at home for a punitive strike in Syria is the result of the deep ambivalence it has expressed about becoming involved in the conflict.

Part of the White House strategy for securing Congressional support now is to emphasize not only what Syria did, but also how a failure to act against Syria might embolden enemies of Israel like Iran and Hezbollah.

Mr. Kerry, in his television appearances, said that if Congress passed a measure authorizing the use of force, it would send a firm message to Iran that the United States would not tolerate the fielding of a nuclear device, and thus safeguard Israel’s security.”

“Senators John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, both Republicans, have warned that they would not support “isolated military strikes in Syria” that were not part of a broader strategy to shift the momentum on the battlefield. Mr. Obama is scheduled to meet with Mr. McCain on Monday at the White House.”

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Citizen Wells opinion.

I oppose a strike against Syria at this juncture primarily for the following reasons.

No clear evidence has been presented of those responsible for alleged chemical attacks.

It is unclear what a strike against Syria would accomplish.

The devil I don’t know, which could replace the Assad regime, is of concern.

The track record of the Obama Administration is horrid. I do not trust them.

Obama has stated he will stand with Muslims.

John McCain and Lindsey Graham have no credibility. They both favor a strike.

82 responses to “Obama seeks support for Syrian strike, September 2, 2013, Congressional approval, Lobbying blitz, Classified intelligence presented to congressmen, John McCain and Lyndsay Graham favor broader measures

  1. Shocking Report! Egyptian Media Says Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood Member –

    The Director of Research at the Brookings Doha Center, Shadi Hamid, tweets out about the Egyptian media depicting Obama as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Newspaper also claims that son of Muslim Brotherhood leader threatened Obama with release of “papers” revealing his MB membership. –

    See more at: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/shocking-report-egyptian-media-says-obama-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-member/#sthash.nP27MO1k.dpuf


    I oppose a strike against Syria at this juncture primarily for the following reasons.

    No clear evidence has been presented of those responsible for alleged chemical attacks.

    It is unclear what a strike against Syria would accomplish.

    The devil I don’t know, which could replace the Assad regime, is of concern.

    The track record of the Obama Administration is horrid. I do not trust them.

    Obama has stated he will stand with Muslims.

    John McCain and Lindsey Graham have no credibility. They both favor a strike.
    Short, concise and clear…and very correct. May I add just one more item to your list, with your permission?

    It is UNCLEAR what Syria’s friend Russia meant by the term DIRE..and we don’t know about Iran either.

    .I consider Russia to be the elephant in the room in this Syrian equation….and no one in Washington is addressing that area .

    I haven’t heard a single politician, or the pResident mention Russia in any of their their tv appearances……it is as if Russia doesn’t exist…..

    Well it does, and Russia may show us what the word DIRE means if the US strikes Syria.

    Assad said a strike against Syria would turn this into a Regional War….he very well may be right on that point.

  3. Christian Broadcasting Network: Muslim Brotherhood’s Agenda is Obama’s Agenda


  4. Does it make your blood boil to see Obama show such disrespect in the Oval office? (Probably the least of our worries)


  5. Cabby,

    Yes, it does hun.

  6. Yes cabby it does. Makes me angry for my country. I commented on the last post. I’m about out of anger though…………. ready to just hunker and fade away.

  7. In what is being reported as a surprise move, the 40,000 members of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) announced that they have formally ended their association with the AFL-CIO, one of the nation’s largest private sector unions. The Longshoremen citied Obamacare and immigration reform as two important causes of their disaffiliation.

    In an August 29 letter to AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, ILWU President Robert McEllrath cited quite a list of grievances as reasons for the dissolution of their affiliation, but prominent among them was the AFL-CIO’s support of Obamare.


  8. Jonah.
    Let’s not forget the WH Muslim Brotherhood team


    Where in the “H” are we going? Time for Impeachment procedings!

  9. Mastermind Behind Benghazi Attack Trained In The U.S.
    August 24, 2013 by Kris Zane

    It is has been widely reported in Egyptian media that one of the leaders in the attack against the Benghazi consulate on September 11, 2012 was Mohsen Al-Azazi.

    According to Ahmed Moussa, a former high ranking intelligence official with the Egyptian government and several other sources, Al-Azazi’s passport was found in the house of Khairat Al-Shater, the Number Two man in the Muslim Brotherhood hierarchy, now under house arrest in Egypt by the Egyptian military.

    But according to an ongoing Egyptian investigation by Egypt’s Supreme State Security Prosecution, Muslim Brotherhood second-in-command Khairat Al-Shater was just tangentially involved in the attack on the Benghazi consulate. The actual mastermind of the attack was a man by the name of Tarek Taha Abu Al-Azm, now in the custody of the Egyptian military.

    In what is reminiscent of the attack on the World Trade Center towers and Pentagon on 9/11, where some of the hijackers reportedly received flight training on U.S. military installations, per Egyptian investigators, Al-Azm, the mastermind of the attack on the Benghazi consulate, took military courses at a U.S. Air Force base.

    Per Muslim Brotherhood researcher Walid Shoebat, citing multiple Arabic news sources, Al-Azm is a seasoned jet fighter pilot and a former Major in the Egyptian Air Force.

    Per Shoebat, translating from a pro-Jihadi website, the Arabian Sword:

    Al-Azm is a former Major in the Egyptian armed forces who graduated from high school and joined the military academy, graduating as an officer of the Armed Forces Officers. Al-Azm traveled to the United States for military courses until he reached the rank of captain and was put in charge of an air base for the Egyptian armed forces.

    Per Shoebat, former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak had jailed Al-Azm for terrorist activities. But when Obama-backed Muslim Brotherhood President Mohammed Morsi ascended to the presidency, Al-Azm was immediately released.

    But this is just the beginning of a blockbuster story.

    A Libyan Intelligence document dated September 15, 2012, names six Egyptians from the terrorist group Ansar al-Sharia, based in Egypt, as being behind the attack on the Benghazi consulate. Then-Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood President Mohammed Morsi is named as a co-conspirator.

    Per Walid Shoebat’s translation of the Libyan Intelligence document:

    The most distinguished names that were obtained from the confessions by members of the cell, is the person, the President of Egypt, Mohammad Morsi…

    Along with Morsi, the Libyan Intelligence document goes on to name five other co-conspirators, all members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    This is the same Mohammed Morsi who Barack Hussein Obama was fawning over and sent hundreds of millions of dollars to in foreign aid. The same Mohammed Morsi that Obama is still supporting.

    But it gets worse—much worse.

    According to Arabic News Channel TV14 and reported on by Egypt Daily News, Obama sent an eight billion dollar secret bribe to the Muslim Brotherhood to guarantee that the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula be turned over to the terrorist group Hamas. Hamas, a Muslim Brotherhood sister group, works directly with Ansar al-Sharia in the Sinai Peninsula. Channel TV14 goes on to say that the agreement was signed by Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood’s second in command, Khairat Al-Shater, now under house arrest in Egypt.

    And what does Khairat Al-Shater have to say? He’s singing like a bird and says he has documents that will put Obama away for a very long time!

    As reported by at least six Arabic news sources, as translated by Walid Shoebat:

    In an interview with the Anatolia News Agency, Saad Al-Shater, the son of a Muslim Brotherhood leader, the detained Khairat Al-Shater said that his father had in his hand evidence that will land the head of United States of America, President Obama, in prison.

    But there’s more: the eight billion dollars that Obama sent to the Muslim Brotherhood was shared with Ansar al-Sharia, the group that attacked our consulate and CIA Annex in Benghazi on September 11, 2012.

  10. That means Barack Hussein Obama in essence funded the attack on the Benghazi consulate!

    Funding terrorists? The mastermind of the attack on the Benghazi consulate trained in the United States? Obama secretly sending billions of dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Who exactly is Barack Hussein Obama, and who is he working for?


  11. September 2, 2013

    Colin Flaherty:

    “Black mob murders man in surprising place”

    “Police are still trying to figure out why a black mob beat to death a Des Moines, Iowa, man at a popular downtown fishing spot one week ago.

    Richard Daughenbaugh, a father of six and construction worker, did not know his killers, say police. But at 1 a.m., he found himself exchanging words with members of a mob that numbered in the dozens.

    The Des Moines Register picks up the narrative with a sterile account that understates the violence and ignores the race of the attackers: [go to link]

    People who work for the police department in Des Moines have learned to be careful about how they refer to racial violence. The last one to do it got fired. Her name was Lori Lavorato. She was the uniformed spokeswoman for the Des Moines police department during “Beat Whitey Night” at the Iowa State Fair in 2010. When reporters asked her if the attackers were black and victims were white, she told the truth and said they were.

    Soon after, she was fired: Sent down to traffic division.”


  12. Gordo…………
    I would say that it is now time for Ms.Lavorato to file a HUGE civil action against the DesMoine police department. If the police cannot show anything other than their dislike for somebody who told the truth then they deserve to LOSE BIG TIME She should bring a 50,million lawsuit against the DeMoines police department. She would be in a GREAT position to WIN such a lawsuit, and probably would win it.

  13. If there is a practicing DeMoines well experienced litigation attorney who is involved in prosecution of WRONGFUL labor practices…………..what are you waiting on…….

  14. Bob Strauss……
    When I read that there had been 8 billion forwarded to the MB, I knew that it had to come from Soetoro. Apparently he is not going to stop AIDING AND ABETTING the MB,and has therefore exposed his coloration. I am not referring to his skin color. I am referring to the LELLOW color upon his back, and now that Kerry’s jeans have burned up, it is clear to me that all they know how to do is LIE, and they arent very good at it either. They think that NOBODY knows the truth.

    do ,and so do a hell of a lot of other people as well/

  15. Old Sailor,
    I thought the same thing about her filing a lawsuit re. the unjust dismissal.
    Hope she does just that!

  16. Old Sailor,
    Re. John Kerry, did you happen to hear him dance all over the place yesterday on Chris Wallace’s “Fox News Sunday”? What a terrible liar – just like his bud who puts his feet on the desk in the Oval Office. Isn’t this Syrian mess sickening?

  17. Further, according to several sources on the internet 1400 people did not die……only a few died. That tells me that the sarin was used by horses a$$es who did not know anything about it. If the Assad government would have used it the casualties would have been far greater than 1400. If our Congress allows Soetoro to attack another country,when there has been NO attack against the US he should be removed from office and PROSECUTED by the ICC for WAR CRIMES.

  18. ………and if certain members of Congress allow it to happen they too should be brought before the ICC. KA PLUNK to ALL………”Justa Swingin!”

  19. While there might be certain threats against our foreign offices,it is STILL ONLY A THREAT…..nothing else. Threats are NOT BASIS for WAR. Until there is a threat to the security of the US, or another country attacks us, we have NO REASON whatsoever to attack Syria……which also includes even if Assad did attack his own people. There is NOTHING that says we should attack Assad. Until he actually carrie out an attack on the US. we need to stay out of Syrian affairs.

  20. “Israel, U.S. conduct joint missile tests: AP”

    “The Israeli Defense Ministry and U.S. Defense Departments conducted joint tests of their missile operations in the Mediterranean Sea, Israeli officials told the Associated Press Tuesday. The tests, which were detected by Russian radar, come as the United States considers military action in Syria in response to purported chemical attacks in the nation.”


  21. September 3, 2013

    “Egyptian Media Reports Obama Is Muslim Brotherhood Member”

    “Director of Research at the Brookings Institution:

    If you missed it, “liberal” Egyptian newspaper has front page headline claiming Obama as full-on member of Muslim Brotherhood international.
    — Shadi Hamid (@shadihamid) September 1, 2013

    On State TV, they say Obama’s brother is MB financier. Then newspaper ups the ante, saying Obama himself is MB member and his brother is AQ.
    — Shadi Hamid (@shadihamid) September 1, 2013

    Newspaper also claims that son of MB leader threatened Obama w- release of “papers” revealing his MB membership: pic.twitter.com/x4lV2JdS91
    — Shadi Hamid (@shadihamid) September 1, 2013″


    September 3, 2013

    Guest Post by Mara Zebest:

    “Obama Praises Muslim Brotherhood Convention”

    “GatewayPundit reported on the Egyptian media references to Obama as a Muslim Brotherhood member. Now this! Obama addresses and praises the American Muslim Brotherhood Convention.

    Wish I could say I’m shocked, only sadly, this praise over the Muslim Brotherhood is all too common for Obama. A montage video showcasing a multitude of Islamic support can be seen here. Add the video below to the official list.”






  23. CW………
    While the Russians might have equipped Syria with anti ship missiles, our warships are protected under existing INTERNATIONAL TREATY when in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. If they are attacked while upon the high seas then there is COMPLETE JUSTIFICATION,for WHATEVER level of ESCALATION the Defense Dept,or Pentagon,and Congress would see as appropriate. This might well be the bait that Soetoro is using to justify an attack on Syria. If a US carrier would be hit and sunk while in international water,World War three will have begun.

  24. ………….which I personally believe Soetoro now sees as practical. All of this sick ,twisted behavior by Soetoro, suggests that he like ADOLPH HITLER has serious MENTAL ISSUES. So far virtually everything he has done has been almost a carbon copy of the NAZI regime. Yet we still see millions of Americans who think Soetoro is their MESSIAH. So it is also clear that millions of Americans share his twisted mentality.

  25. ……….I have said many times that Soetoro is a ….MASTER BAITER! As each day passes there is additional CONFIRMATION of it.

  26. cabby,
    This is gonna make your blood boil again……..

    VIDEO: Obama Praises Muslim Brotherhood Convention
    Posted by Gateway Guest Blogger on Tuesday, September 3, 2013, 2:31 AM
    Guest Post by Mara Zebest

    GatewayPundit reported on the Egyptian media references to Obama as a Muslim Brotherhood member. Now this! Obama addresses and praises the American Muslim Brotherhood Convention.

    Wish I could say I’m shocked, only sadly, this praise over the Muslim Brotherhood is all too common for Obama. A montage video showcasing a multitude of Islamic support can be seen here. Add the video below to the official list.
    – See more at: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/09/obama-praises-muslim-brotherhood-convention/#sthash.Lq2kFzic.dpuf

  27. OLDSAILOR81…good morning my friend in Indiana……

    “While the Russians might have equipped Syria with anti ship missiles, our warships are protected under existing INTERNATIONAL TREATY when in INTERNATIONAL WATERS. If they are attacked while upon the high seas then there is COMPLETE JUSTIFICATION,for WHATEVER level of ESCALATION the Defense Dept,or Pentagon,and Congress would see as appropriate.”

    I think most people understand that ….but what if America strikes FIRST ? …..what if Obama decides to launch that “limited strike” against Assad’s army and country with missiles and other means?….Syrian people will be dying…..will Assad then be justified in striking back even though the American ships are in international waters?

    Of course he will….that’s exactly how major wars begin.

    If Soetoro plans on using that as his excuse…he better plan it a “hell of a lot better than he has planned the mess he has created so far”……the world will not buy into his “PPP”… “pi*s poor planning” for World war III…and by then, it won’t really matter about the international waters thing…with missiles flying all over and every country involved……

    Finger pointing will be at an end and then “might will make right”…. at that point, we better hope that we have the muscle to finish the job….because by then, no country in the world will show America any mercy, not even his Muslim Brotherhood association.

  28. August 30, 2013

    Rachel Pulaski:

    “16 Year Old Black Male Arrested For Stabbing White Man to Death Because He Had A ‘Hard Day””

    “On January 6, 2013, 22 year old Jason Paul was found stabbed to death while riding his bike home in Clearwater, Florida. After stabbing Paul multiple times, the assailant left him for dead during the midnight hour. After months of searching for his killer and offering a $10,000 reward, the killer has been arrested. On Thursday, 16-year-old Mychal King was arrested and charged with the first-degree murder. King has a long criminal history and was already in jail for previous crimes. King admitted to killing Paul “for no reason” other than having “a hard day”.”

    [video at link]


  29. Flashback: Chemical Weapons In Syria Include WMDs Shipped From Iraq


    wmds being shipped to Syria (from Iraq)…satellite photo

    “The media is fond of saying, without question, that there were no WMDs found in Iraq.

    This has always been untrue and easily refuted, if media did anything other than parrot the party line.

    The question isn’t about whether there were WMDs. The question has been how have we been letting the media get away with misstating the facts for all these years when ample evidence was there.

    As the military reported, after we went into Iraq, chemical weapons, facilities and residue were in fact found, and kept being found for years afterward.”

    Via NY Post from 2010:
    There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

    The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

    The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons arsenal — most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

    In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

    Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.

    “Note here that the present DNI James Clapper said in 2007 that much of the WMDs in Iraq had in fact been shipped to Syria.

    This article notes in detail some of the shipments, that were in fact done with the assistance of Russia:”

    Via IBD from 2012:
    War On Terror: As the regime of Bashar Assad disintegrates, the security of his chemical arsenal is in jeopardy. The No. 2 general in Saddam Hussein’s air force says they were the WMDs we didn’t find in Iraq.

    King Abdullah of neighboring Jordan warned that a disintegrating Syria on the verge of civil war puts Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons at risk of falling into the hands of al-Qaida.

    “One of the worst-case scenarios as we are obviously trying to look for a political solution would be if some of those chemical stockpiles were to fall into unfriendly hands,” he said.

    The irony here is that the chemical weapons stockpile of Syrian thug Assad may in large part be the legacy of weapons moved from Hussein’s Iraq into Syria before Operation Iraqi Freedom.

    Keep reading…

    “Let us not forget also that “the cake was not a lie”.”

    Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq
    Last major stockpile from Saddam’s nuclear efforts arrives in Canada


    Does this poison gas attack in Syria vindicate George Bush?

    Stockpiles transported to another country conjecture
    June 6, 2010 – 12:08 am
    Rumors have abounded of possible transportation of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to foreign countries, namely Syria, Lebanon and Iran, in the weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began. John Bolton told the House Committee on Foreign Affairs that these reports give “cause for concern.”[12]

    Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria
    Ha’aretz has revived the mystery surrounding the inability to find weapons of mass destruction stockpiles in Iraq, the most commonly cited justification for Operation Iraqi Freedom and one of the most embarrassing episodes for the United States. Satellite photos of a suspicious site in Syria are providing new support for the reporting of a Syrian journalist who briefly rocked the world with his reporting that Iraq’s WMD had been sent to three sites in Syria just before the invasion commenced.

    Syria’s Chemical Weapons Came From Saddam’s Iraq
    Posted 07/19/2012 07:02 PM ET
    Read More At Investor’s Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/071912-618875-syria-chemical-weapons-came-from-iraq-.htm#ixzz2cxqJo5u0

    Where Did Syria’s Chemical Weapons Come From?
    August 28, 2013 by Breaking News

  31. VIDEO: Obama Praises Muslim Brotherhood Convention

    AtlasShrugs reports the following:

    Obama hits bottom and keeps digging. His unequivocal support of the vicious Muslim Brotherhood has undermined national security and been an overwhelming destructive force for freedom across the world.

    Discover the Networks: “The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) was established in July 1981 by U.S-based members of the Muslim Brotherhood with a background as leaders of the Muslim Students Association (MSA). As author and terrorism expert Steven Emerson puts it, ISNA “grew out of the Muslim Students Association, which also was founded by Brotherhood members.” Indeed, Muslim Brothers would dominate ISNA’s leadership throughout the Society’s early years. Striving “to advance the cause of Islam and serve Muslims in North America so as to enable them to adopt Islam as a complete way of life,”ISNA was highly dependent upon Saudi funding during its early years.”

    “Obama Addresses American Islamist Convention” By the Counter Jihad Report, September, 2, 2013

    President Obama addressed the 50th annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America via videotape, praising the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood entity for its partnership with his administration. A Clarion Project report showed that the convention’s roster of speakers includes many extremists.

    “Over the last half-century, you’ve upheld the proud legacy of American-Muslims’ contributions to our national fabric and this gathering is a testament to that tradition,” Obama says to ISNA.

    The gathering is anything but a testament to American tradition. The speaker with the most sessions (eight), Zaid Shakir, preached earlier this year that the U.S. Constitution is flawed because it grants equality to Muslims and non-Muslims.

    Siraj Wahhaj, who is teaching five sessions, has a history of anti-American preaching and now advises Muslims to avoid discussion ofSharia because “we are not there yet.”

    ISNA’s 50-year history is nothing to be exalted. In 1991, a U.S. Muslim Brotherhood memo placed ISNA at the top of a secret list of “our organizations and the organizations of our friends.” The document said the organization’s “work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within…”

    In 2007, federal prosecutors named ISNA an unindicted co-conspirator in the terrorism-financing trial of the Holy Land Foundation, a U.S. Muslim Brotherhood entity housed within ISNA. The U.S. government identified ISNA as a U.S. Muslim Brotherhood entity. The designation was upheld in 2009 due to “ample” evidence linking ISNA to Hamas.

    Read more here.

    – See more at: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/#sthash.uFg6ki6j.dpuf

  32. Boehner and King ought to volunteer to be citizen shields in their un-thought out idiot campaign into Syria which they are both now promoting while congratulating Obama for coming to Congress. So what difference did that make since they intended to be his sycophants anyway on this debacle?

    I think this “greater and wider plan” is Obama’s latest gift to his MuzzBros since they are having such a hard time with the military in Egypt, his earlier gift to them. Good grief, do the co-opted RINOs give a thought to the fact that our weakened military, drawing down elsewhere and being attacked during that announced process, is now going to be going against Russia, China, Iran et al in this so far little planned exercise which will give every excuse to let loose against Israel as well as via any already WMDs located in our own country due to the wonderful open borders. Complete dopes and intentional incompetents with their plushy existences targeting, not Assad, but rather our country and attempting to sell our own suicides to us. And I just bet there’s not a clue within the whole bunch that their dear leader is one of those armed MuzzBros, laughing at just how easy it is to co-opt these dupes, supposedly on the other side! Will this get so bad that Zero will “have” to initiate the draft in order to get more lemmings, willing or unwilling, under his vicious control along with all those on the dole?

  33. Good points OBSERVER…

  34. This is a very ugly thought, but has anyone ever considered the possibility that the Usurper WANTS to start WW III ? As Old Sailor points out, O is a great baiter. After all, most of our wars before 9/11 were begun by the Dems, who seem to need wars to jump-start the economy, and the NWO planners always like to have a few million killed off every once in awhile, too.

    If this all throws the U.S. off of the financial cliff of debt, then isn’t that also in O’s plan?? He’s doing everything else to destroy this great nation, why not add to the list a new war that we can’t pay for?

    What is it going to take for Congress to listen to the voice of the people and rise up? Oh, I forgot! Most of them don’t want the status quo upset. Their own plushy security might be upset. (sarc) Sorry to be so blunt.

  35. Gee, big surprise… can’t let either one of these goons get their way. Boehner needs to go out the revolving door with O.

    Guess we’re going to war. Check it out: House Speaker John Boehner on Tuesday said he supports President Obama’s call for a military strike on Syria, giving the plan a weighty endorsement ahead of a key hearing on Capitol Hill. Boehner, emerging from a White House meeting with several other top-ranking lawmakers, said the chemical weapons attack last month “has to be responded to.” “I’m going to support the president’s call for action,” Boehner said.
    Read more at http://conservativebyte.com/2013/09/boehner-backs-obama-call-military-strike-syria/#P1Saj1S0l8GRM139.99

  36. In my earlier post I said, “f this all throws the U.S. off of the financial cliff of debt, then isn’t that also in O’s plan?? He’s doing everything else to destroy this great nation, why not add to the list a new war that we can’t pay for?”

    Let me add this: So far he has done everything he can to decimate our military. Why not continue by dispiriting our fighting forces even more by reducing their already diminished MORALE? Many of them are speaking off the record that they strongly oppose an attack on Syria. About all of the retired top brass that I’ve heard think this attack is ill-founded and makes no strategic sense.

  37. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    kaks – And then he proceeded to weep.


    The sham that is being played out in Washington today by both the RINO’s and democrats will make no difference what so ever in what Mr. Obama will or will not do.. about Syria……

    The decision has been made a long, long time ago by those who do not wish to be identified…

    I think that the US will strike Syria before the end of September with all the force they can muster….there is no such thing as a “limited attack”…..dead is dead… regardless if it’s from a bb gun , a 155 howitzer shell, or a Tomahawk missile.

    With 6 US warships now sitting off the coast of Syria and each of these ships carrying between 40 and 90 Tomahawk missiles….that means between 240 and 540 Tomahawk missiles could come reigning down on the people of Syria…….not counting all the air power that could be brought to bare in Syria…..

    And all this killing will be over what John Kerry and Obama calls, 1429 people killed by a gas attack…….does this make any sense to anyone?

    So far in this Civil War, over 100,000 people have been killed….that is government forces, rebel forces and innocent civilians…..now all of a sudden the US is upset and John Kerry has his panites in a wad, over what they say was a gas attack by the government forces, although the government forces … are now winning the war……

    Does it make any sense to anyone that Assad would gas his own people, especially now that he is winning this Civil War? Of course the answer to that question is NO. It makes no sense at all….what does make sense is that the rebels would use gas, either by accident or on purpose, and try and blame it on Assad’s forces to gain world support…..

    Of course with the US committed to aiding the rebel forces, the American media is blind to any truth and will say or report as they are told to report by these in power.

    Make no mistake about it…the US will not allow this pipeline deal between Iran and Syria to be completed….that is quite obvious. Saudi Arabia has been the “root cause” of this trouble in Syria from 2011 until the present. It has been the thorn in the stability of middle east for some time…..but their actions have always been from a distance.

    If that 6, 000 kilometer Syrian gas pipeline is built , which will cost over 10 billion dollars is final and completed by 2018 as planned…it will put over 100-120 million cubic feet of gas into Europe daily. The pipeline will flow from Iran, through Iraq and into Syria ports for export……

    It will put Saudi Arabia out of the business as the major energy exporter in the middle east……this is the basis for all the unrest in Syria which has been funded by Saudi Arabian money…. make no mistake of this fact.

    If, and when, this pipeline becomes operational, it will change the way the world pays for energy. No longer will the Petro dollar be supreme, No longer will the American dollar set the standard for energy payment…..therefore…..the rubber has hit the road.

    It is urgent that this pipeline venture between Iran, Iraq and Syria be stopped NOW….by any and all means possible, otherwise there will be a new kid on the block calling the shots, and that “new kid” will not be friendly to the US or Saudi Arabia.

    Remember: All wars have a basis in MONEY….this Syrian civil war is no different….just follow the money and you will understand the REAL motives for all the strife in Syria..

    This is my argument for all the problems we now face in Syria…I’m sure other people have a difference of opinion. But the sad fact is that people are dying every day in the middle east and they don’t even know why…..

    And the people who are bring all this destruction… don’t either.

  39. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Rush has been saying it since the eighties -“Follow the money trail”

  40. Cabby, we seem to think alike. After reading OldSailor’s post, that is exactly what I thought. This country is in financial ruin, scandals flood D.C. with O’s regime right in the thick of it. And he is tanking badly in the polls. RCP has him currently at -6.8. (43.6 approve Vs 50.4 disapprove)

    This community organizer knows only one thing..and he was groomed by the best. He has literally brought our country to its knees and the perfect storm is about to erupt

  41. I have read where the DOD and Pentagon are NOT wanting to strike Syria. In fact, they breathed a huge sigh of relief after the Rose Garden speech. I hope there are still some military leaders who have the cajones to stand up to the madness and talk some sense into our backstabbing Congress. They have contributed more to the financial collapse then any one person. Please military brass, I beg of you to stand up, now is your time!

  42. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Anyone watching the Senate hearings NOW -Chairman Menendez is speaking now. WILL he mention his problems?

    Menendez Scandal


    He is now for bombing.

  43. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    PS – How ironic that this is the “Foreign Relations Comm.” and Bob was having his relations in a foreign nation!!!

  44. Once again we’re subject to being captive audiences to a lot of hot air being expelled in D.C. by the clueless and do nothing while collecting taxpayer pay checks.

    Can someone please explain how bombing areas where no one is for certain just where all the chemical weapons are now stashed won’t itself release said weapons into the atmosphere or spill out on anyone nearby and create even more horrendous deaths? Obviously I know nothing on this subject and am only following a logic that may not apply. Is this a question that these madmen have considered? Will our first bomb cause the regime or rebels to retaliate by using more of the chemical weapons and blame us for their release?? Mrs. Heinz-Kerry is sitting there looking like Madame DeFarge minus the knitting needles!


    According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: “I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business”, he told French television:

    “I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria.”

    The 2011 uprisings, it would seem – triggered by a confluence of domestic energy shortages and climate-induced droughts which led to massive food price hikes – came at an opportune moment that was quickly exploited. Leaked emails from the private intelligence firm Stratfor including notes from a meeting with Pentagon officials confirmed US-UK training of Syrian opposition forces since 2011 aimed at eliciting “collapse” of Assad’s regime “from within.”

    So what was this unfolding strategy to undermine Syria and Iran all about? According to retired NATO Secretary General Wesley Clark, a memo from the Office of the US Secretary of Defense just a few weeks after 9/11 revealed plans to “attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years”, starting with Iraq and moving on to “Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.” In a subsequent interview, Clark argues that this strategy is fundamentally about control of the region’s vast oil and gas resources.
    General Wesley Clark is one of the biggest Globeist (New World Order) currently sitting on planet Earth…..
    Please note when Clark says that the Office of the Secretary of Defense planned to topple 7 countries in five years in the middle east….

    Was Clark talking “out of school”…or was Clark telling the truth?

    All I know is that long before 2009, the middle east was in flames…and the US was right in the middle of it. In fact, we have been deep in the middle east every since George Herbert Walker Bush decided to attack Iraq…..

    It would be interesting if someone could put a dollar figure on what we have spent on war in the middle east……..

  46. More anti-Christian spew forth by one of the chief RINOs in defense of the barbaric anti-Christians: (calling good evil and evil good)

    McCain: Shouting ‘Allahu Akhbar!’ Same as Christians Shouting ‘Thank God!’


    “On Tuesday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) suggested that Fox News host Brian Kilmeade was Islamaphobic because he said that Syrian opposition groups shouting “Allahu Akhbar! Allahu Akhbar!” as rockets hit government offices demonstrated Islamist influence among the opposition.”

    “I have a problem helping those people screaming that after a hit,” Kilmeade said. McCain responded: “Would you have a problem with an American or Christians saying ‘thank God? Thank God?’” He added, “That’s what they’re saying. Come on! Of course they’re Muslims, but they’re moderates and I guarantee you they are moderates.” McCain provided no evidence to suggest that Syrian opposition groups are moderate, as opposed to the wide swath of evidence suggesting that the opposition is heavily infested with al Qaeda.

  47. RMinNC | September 3, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    Better known to the troops as “Wesley the Weasel” Clark.

  48. Interested Bystander


    The people are pretty clear:

    NO ACTION against Syria.

    I say if Boehner wants to “support” the President, I say put him on the first plane dropping bombs. and drop him while they are at it.

    I heard Kerry say while they were taking the protester out that he felt the same way when he was 27.

    The lady sounded “older”, so what’s the point?

    The point is that we LEARNED from our past mistakes.

    Well SOME of us did.

  49. Interested Bystander

    I’m wondering which one of Obama’s “buddies” are going to get rich from this action?

    I’m positive that Obama wouldn’t be doing this if one of his buddies wasn’t benefiting.

    So we’re going to “punish” Syria for doing what?

    Where’s the PROOF that The Syrian Government did this? Where’s the eividence that the oposition didn’t do it to get sympathy and support?

    This stuff really sickens me.

    There’s NO parrallel with Iraq.

    Iraq was under UN santions for over a decade BEFORE Bush took action.

    Iraq again and again defied the UN sanctions.

    The same is not true with Syria.

  50. Interested Bystander

    I’m going to email Todd Young and let him know that I will NOT be voting for him if he votes for action against Syria.

    He’s an Iraqi veteran.

    He should know better.

  51. IB…you just said….
    “The lady sounded “older”, so what’s the point?”

    The POINT is when John Kerry sat giving testimony before the Senate committe, as a war protester on war crimes committed by the US Forces in Vietnam….Kerry was LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH…

    Just as the bastard is lying through his teeth today……….

    The lady they escorted out of the hearing today was only being truthful.

    Apparently no one in America, but the veterans who survived Vietnam, remember his SHAMEFUL, UNTRUTHFUL, DISHONEST, appearance in 1969…but I sure do.


    The actors I am seeing on stage now have rehearsed their parts well…
    Kerry was “oh so statesman”….
    Hagel is such an “expert on military matters”….
    and Dempsey, all dressed out in blues with all his PX bought medals, he looks better than George S. Patton at the height of WWII.

    There hasn’t been a question ask…that hasn’t been rehearsed well in advance.

    Why am I wasting my time watching this “bread and circus” venture?

    C L I C K…that was the television going off.

  53. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Observer | September 3, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    RMinNC | September 3, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    Better known to the troops as “Wesley the Weasel” Clark.

    Weasley spent the last few days with his young girlfriend at Burning Man shindig out in Nevada!?

    Wesley Clark at Burning Man

  54. Of course when has Zero ever listened to any voices of experience or to those who are the real victims of his narcissistic policies?

    Catholic Patriarch of Syria To Obama: Your Attack On Assad Will Only Benefit Islamic Extremists…will be criminal act

    ………..This attack being planned by the United States is a criminal act, which will only reap more victims, in addition to the tens of thousands of these two years of war. This will destroy the Arab world’s trust in the West.” “What or who have led Syria to this thin red line, this point of no return?” said Patriarch Gregory in remarks first reported by AsiaNews.it on Aug. 28. “Who created this hell in which our people have been living for months? Every day, Islamic extremists from all over the world are pouring into Syria with the sole intent to kill and not one country has done anything to stop them, even the U.S. has decided to send in more weapons.” –

    …………….The patriarch also condemned the influx of weapons and money from Western and Eastern countries. “[F] for the last two and a half years, Eastern and Western countries have not stopped sending weapons, money, military experts, secret service agents and Salafist fundamentalist armed gangs of thugs and criminals, who have fallen on Syria like a destructive new flood, far more dangerous even than destructive chemical weapons, whose use on our Syrian soil we reject on any pretext whatever,” said Gregory III.

    “Those above mentioned factors have caused the death of 100,000 victims, the forced displacement of eight million Syrians, the traumatisation of 2 million children, the destruction of the academic future of millions of school-children and students and the destruction of thousands of villages,” he said, “not to mention the wrecking of both infrastructure and institutions, widespread chaos, the abduction of thousands of people (men, women and children), rape, extortion of ransom, robberies, assaults on civilians, hatred, enmity, revenge, exacerbation of ethnic and religious conflicts, and that among members of the same country, or sometimes of the same family.”

    On Aug. 27, Patriarch Gregory III said that armed intervention in Syria was “fueling hatred, fueling criminality, fueling inhumanity, fueling fundamentalism, terrorism – all these things are the fruit of intervention. Enough! Surely, it will spread like a world war.”

    “Our community dwindles every day,” he said. “Young people are fleeing, families leave their homes and villages. The disappearance of the Christians is a danger not only for Syria but for all of Europe.”

    See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/catholic-patriarch-syria-us-attack-syria-would-be-criminal-act#sthash.S8q78cPr.dpuf

  55. RMINNC………….
    Kerry HAS ALWAYS been a LIAR. He was caught in his GD lies when he tried to make America BELIEVE his BULLSHI# regarding Viet Nam. How the hell he was ever allowed to become a commissioned officer in the Navy is really QUEER. I personally believe that his commission was BOUGHT for him. To me he is a NOTHING, compounded by being a habitual liar.

  56. Rubio is now trying to make a case for our “national security” in Syria. He is sooo wet behind the ears pretending to be another Mr. “know it all”. Just another disgrace. So our puny interjection plan here, according to golden boy, will save the entire region from having more nuclear bombs. It’s been working so well in Afghanistan et al against Iran’s nuclear weapon plan.

  57. OLDSAILOR81…

    I have the same feelings for John Kerry…a piece of crap that will say whatever he’s told to say…do whatever evil thing he’s told to do……and lie their his teeth to the American people…..

    You are absolutely correct my friend….he bought that commission just has he wrote his own citation for awards…..it is beyond my understanding how this piece of garbage can sit before the people and expect us to believe him

    But he is exactly what Obama wants for SOS….just as Hagel fits the ticket for SOD….both are trash…in the eyes of most veterans…

    Well they are in my eyes.

  58. RMINNC……
    I would hope that the ICC has the courage to move on Soetoro if he attacks Syria. Assad has done nothing that effects US interests either in Syria, or the US. Syria is a sovereign country,and it’s leader can do as he pleases,but I personally doubt he gassed his own people. I tend to think that the sarin came from the Libya stockpile. which as we all now know was allegedly STOLEN…….which is BS, the stockpile of Libyan weapons was BEING TRANSFERRED to AlQuada, with the help of the now dead people in Bengazzi.

  59. I have not heard ONE, just one Senator that has objected to a “limited strike” in Syria…..in fact, most on this Armed Forces Committee are asking for broader powers…

    That means more authority for the use of force in Syria….most are even wanting “boots on the ground”……..

    Lord, don’t was as a nation ever learn?.

  60. ……….and the reason why the Bengazzi expiditers are dead is simple……dead people don’t say much. But then in this case they don’t need to say anything. Anybody with half a grain of reasoning ability would guess the truth in 10 seconds, by simple OBSERVATION of what occurred.

  61. The only reason for this public this “dog and pony” show in Congress toady is to give Obama “COVER”……

    When Obama takes his action in Syria and it turns to crap….Mr. Obama can then turn and say, “Well I only did the will of Congress when I attack Syria”…

    Yet, those stupid Senators cannot see through all this jockeying by Obama…. I can assure you that Obama will NEVER take responsibility for his failures.

  62. RMinNC.
    As I recall a high level commanding officer criticized Kerry.

  63. MEANWHILE….in the generous time given during the debate:

    BEIRUT (AP) — As the Obama administration tries to prod Congress into backing armed action against Syria, the regime in Damascus is hiding military hardware and shifting troops out of bases into civilian areas.

    Politically, President Bashar Assad has gone on the offensive, warning in a rare interview with Western media that any military action against Syria could spark a regional war.

    If the U.S. undertakes missile strikes, Assad’s reaction could have a major effect on the trajectory of Syria’s civil war. Neighboring countries could get dragged into a wider conflict, or it could be back to business as usual for a crisis that has claimed the lives of more than 100,000 people over 2½ years.

    The main Western-backed opposition group says that during the buildup last week to what seemed like an imminent U.S. attack, the army moved troops as well as rocket launchers, artillery and other heavy weapons into residential neighborhoods in cities nationwide. Three Damascus residents, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, confirmed such movements.

    One man said two members of the elite Republican Guards broke into an empty house he owns and showed him an official document stating they were authorized to do so because Syria is at war. A woman in another area said soldiers moved into a school next to her house.


    If nothing else….hasn’t this been nice for Obama to get the attention off of all his other crimes? If the goal is to throw every kind of horrific crime before the public so no one knows where to begin and only chaos looms, then it’s working.

    Kerry is now stumbling against direct questioning by Mr. Johnson. Kerry answers with “Obama is listening to the American people” who want a lesser attack (no, they want nothing)….now asked “what do we know about the opposition” answer, “opposition is growing more moderate”!! If you can’t answer, you once again lie in this regime.

    you said, “As I recall a high level commanding officer criticized Kerry.”

    I do recall when he got his phony awards, a commanding officer object…but the politics overruled….

    Was that before or after the 2004 Bush/Kerry presidential debate?

  65. RMINNC…………
    I don’t know where the video came from,and I don’t want to know but I will say that whoever she is she is one of the most intelligent people who I have listened to lately. She has it all right down to the moment, and I couldn’t agree more with her. She needs to somehow be put on television.but unfortunately the media would never put her on if they knew what she might say. She needs to contact GLOBE Publishing. That is at present the best option.

  66. Drudge tweets ….”why would anyone vote Republican? Please give reason. Raised taxes; marching us off to war again; approved more NSA snooping. WHO ARE THEY?!…….It’s now Authoritarian vs Libertarian. Since Democrats vs Republicans has been obliterated, no real difference between parties…”


    Donald Trump….”Think of it, the Arab League doesn’t want to get involved with Syria….but they want us to do their dirty work. How stupid!”


  67. Observer | September 3, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    Better known to the troops as “Wesley the Weasel” Clark.
    Observer, you took the words right out of my mouth. I had a very good friend (just recently passed away) who told me that her brother attended the same church as Clark. The brother knew him and the description was that he was a weasel-type – also very short in stature. He did not have kind words for the general at all.

  68. British Intelligence Report: Al-Qaeda And Other Jihadists In Syria “Most Worrying Emerging Terrorist Threat” To West…

    “And how does Obama respond… by preparing to bomb on al-Qaeda’s behalf.”

    Via CNS News:

    The British intelligence community has assessed that al Qaeda and other jihadists in Syria have become “the most worrying emerging terrorist threat to the UK and the West.”

    This assessment was revealed in the annual report of the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament, which was released in July. The committee, chaired by Sir Malcolm Rifkind, has oversight over all British intelligence agencies as well as Britain’s Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC). The report covered the committee’s work and conclusions from July 2012 through June 2013.

    “The Agencies and JTAC assess that Al-Qaeda elements and individual jihadists in Syria currently represent the most worrying emerging terrorist threat to the UK and the West,” said the report in a section titled, “The Agencies’ Assessment of the Threat.”

    “There is a risk of extremist elements in Syria taking advantage of the permissive environment to develop external attack plans, including against Western targets,” the report continued.

    “Large numbers of radicalized individuals have been attracted to the country, including significant numbers from the UK and Europe,” the report said. “They are likely to acquire expertise and experience which could significantly increase the threat posed when they return home. Furthermore, there is growing concern about the risks around extremist groups in Syria gaining access to regime stocks of chemical weapons.”


  69. Published on September 2, 2013

    “Mark Dice asks random beach goers in San Diego to sign a petition to repeal the Fourth Amendment to help keep everybody safe, insisting “we can trust the police” if they feel they need to search your home or your person.”

  70. Keep waiting for Kerry’s botox to blow! Looks like the plumping has caused his one eye to be in permanent squint!

  71. Observer,
    Being sometimes naive about these things, I did think that he looked awfully good on the Fox News Sunday program with Chris Wallace. I never thought about botox – Ha! He really had sort of an uncanny look then. Not being able to stand the man, I haven’t listened to much of today’s hearing.

    Want to know what I watch for diversion? American Ninja Warrior. 🙂

  72. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I emailed both Senators and my Congressman the following:

    “Do not vote for ANY military strike in Syria.

    We have NO National Interest in Syria.

    We should have learned lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan.

    I give you my word, if you support ANY action against Syria, my vote will go for someone else.

    I am confident you will do the right thing.”


  73. Interested Bystander

    Kerry’s face looks kind of swollen.

    I guess that’s what happens when you fill up with crap.

    I’m going to try to avoid that at all costs.

    Kerry is the quint essential MADE UP MAN.

    He’s so plastic, IF this were a Republican administration, I would almost guarantee Kerry would be all against this action, as would the media.

    The man sitting at the witness table should be held accountable for HIS actions.


    But he’s the Secretary of State.

    I just shake my head.

  74. >>>>>Citizen Wells opinion.
    I oppose a strike against Syria at this juncture primarily for the following reasons.
    No clear evidence has been presented of those responsible for alleged chemical attacks.<<<>>It is unclear what a strike against Syria would accomplish.<<>The devil I don’t know, which could replace the Assad regime, is of concern.<>>The track record of the Obama Administration is horrid. I do not trust them.<<>>Obama has stated he will stand with Muslims.<<>>John McCain and Lindsey Graham have no credibility. They both favor a strike.<<<

    In defense to these RINO's I will say that a burnt earth policy domestic policy isn't in the best interests of the United States or allies. Sure, it would be nice to get even with the liberals for the terrible treasonous activities, but it's not good for "We the People" whom will ultimately have to clean up the mess. IF (and I truly mean if) Assad order chemical weapons use, and IF these were Soviet/Russian or domestically made (not imported from Iraq and made in America), and IF the rebels also didn't use chemicals, then perhaps a strike might be justified with UN cooperation.

    Sorry to insert my opinion with yours, and we agree on everything


  75. Where Congress stands on Syria
    By Aaron Blake, Darla Cameron and Kennedy Elliott, Published: September 2, 2013

    Lawmakers appear to be tentatively dividing into four camps over military action in Syria. Each dot represents a lawmaker who has indicated how he or she might vote. Although it’s not yet certain how the lawmaker will vote, the sentiment of the quote is mapped across the four categories. Read related article.


  76. If you haven’t already, everyone needs to change their party affiliation to Independent or something other than REPUBLICAN. Sell outs and boot lockers lead that party right into Obama’s arms. Vote them all out ASAP. Traitors and liars abound and they need to be sent packing.

  77. Pat Buchanan says this Syrian war is like the War for Jenkin’s Ear……

    “Catastrophic!” said Sen. John McCain. “The sky is falling”, says Lindsey Graham.

    If Congress votes no on a resolution calling for U.S. intervention in Syria’s civil war, says McCain, it would be “catastrophic” for U.S. credibility in the world.

    Consider what the senator is saying here.

    Because Barack Obama, two years ago, said “Assad must go,” and, one year ago, said any use of chemical weapons crosses his “red line,” Congress has no choice but to plunge America into yet another Mideast war.

    Can this be? Are we really, as a nation, required to go to war to make good the simple-minded statements of an untutored president who had no constitutional authority to issue his impulsive ultimata?

    Are we really required to go to war to get the egg off Obama’s face?

    Not since the “War of Jenkins’ Ear” has there been a dumber cause for a great country to go to war.
    Before anyone ask, “what was the war of Jenkins’ Ear?”…Here is a brief take on that conflict.

    It began as a land dispute in the America’s by England and Spain…and finally erupted into an open conflict…..Wishing to avoid this military conflict, both sides met at Pardo to seek a diplomatic resolution. The resulting Convention of Pardo, which was signed in early 1739, proved unpopular in Britain and the public clamored for war. By October, both sides had repeatedly violated the convention’s terms. Though reluctant, Walpole officially declared war on October 23, 1739. The term “War of Jenkins’ Ear” derives from Captain Robert Jenkins who had his ear cut off by the Spanish Coast Guard in 1731. Asked to appear in Parliament to recount his tale, he reputedly displayed his ear during his testimony.

    BOTTOM LINE: The war was fought because an English sea captain had his ear cut off by the Spanish Coast Guard…….what an insult !

  78. Good morning everyone,

    Pardon me if this has been posted before. It is an interview with Russ Tice, a NSA whistle blower who preceded Edward Snowden.

  79. THE overwhelming reason to oppose any U.S. military action in Syria is Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. A full year after the murders, and this administration has still managed to refuse to divulge to the public anything of importance about what the President was doing, what happened, and why. All those personnel who were there (rumors of about 30) and survived have been so thoroughly shut up that it is a certainty that whatever we imagine was going on, the reality is much much worse. Nobody in this administration can be trusted with lunch money much less with any judgment over the use of our military. JUST SAY “NO”!!!


    ” LEAFLET: On the Eve of War—Glass-Steagall Now Would Change Everything
    October 25, 2013 • 9:16AM

    Over this past week, a series of meetings which took place between the heads of state of China, India, and Russia indicate a sense of urgency among those three nations to step up discussions and collaboration, at a time when the Obama-led United States and a bankrupt Europe continue to push the world security situation to the brink of disaster.

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    “Prince Bandar Threatens US; Another 9/11 Coming?
    October 22, 2013 • 4:50PM

    Saudi Arabia’s Prince of Terror Bandar bin Sultan, head of Saudi intelligence, issued a public warning to the US over the weekend. The Wall Street Journal reports that Bandar “invited a Western diplomat to the Saudi Red Sea city of Jeddah over the weekend to voice Riyadh’s frustration with the Obama administration and its regional policies,” telling the unnamed diplomat that Saudi Arabia would cut back cooperation with the US (the CIA and others) on arming the Syrian rebels due to Washington’s failure to bomb Syria, the peace talks with Iran, and other regional issues, which stand in the way of the British/Saudi sponsored Sunni-Shia long war. Bandar said the Saudis would work with others on the Syria project, such as Jordan and France, rather than the US.
    In regard to Saudi Arabia’s announced rejection of the offer to join the United Nations Security Council (after campaigning to get on), Bandar said : “This was a message for the U.S., not the U.N..”
    Bandar has been documented by LaRouche’s EIR and others to have been the primary Saudi controller of the 9/11 attck on the United States by Saudi terrorist, at least several of whom were sponsored and funded by Bandar, who at the time was ambassador to the U.S., and his wife. The censored 28 pages of the 9/11 report which Obama refuses to release, document some of these facts.
    Bandar has gone balistic since Obama was forced to give up his planned war on Syria. Bandar went to Moscow to attempt to bribe and/or threaten Putin to support the war — in fact, several terrorist attacks in the region of the planned winter Olympics in Sochi are likely due to Bandar carrying out those threats when Putin refused to give in.
    Meanwhile, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal hosted a lunch for Secretary John Kerry at his private residence in Paris on Monday. A senior State Department official told reporters after the lunch that Kerry tried to convince the Saudis to take the UN seat, telling Saud that the US “values Saudi Arabia’s leadership in the region and the international community”, the US official said.
    What that leadership means was demonstrated on Monday, when Prince Bandar followed up his threat to the US with a meeting in Jeddah, bringing Saudi King Abdullah, King Abdullah of Jordan and UAE Defense Minister (and heir apparent) Mohammad ben Zayed. All the intelligence, defense and security chiefs of the three countries were present (with Bandar heading the gang, of course). The theme, according to the Saudi press was to “have a comprehensive discussion about the current developments in the Arab world, the region and the world”!
    Present in the meeting was Prince Salman ben Sultan, deputy defense minister of Saudi Arabia and the field coordinator from Jordan of the Saudi invasion into southern Syria, and most probably the architect of the Ghouta chemical weapons provocation. Note that Salman has been working with Bandar for many years, including the period of preparation of the 9/11 attack, as Salman was working in the Embassy in Washington under Bandar!
    The editorial of the London-based Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat writes that Prince Salman, the Crown Prince, who said in the summit of the Organization of Islamic Conference recently: “If we fail to get the support in the UN, we will have to turn our back to the UN and build our own capabilities to solve our problems with our hands!” ” http://larouchepac.com/node/28623
    ( Saudis Alarmed by Signs of U.S. Institutional Criticism http://larouchepac.com/node/28604 )
    ( It’s Time to Release 28 pages on Saudi Role in 9/11, as Prince Bandar Threatens World Peace http://larouchepac.com/node/28630 http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/terror_memo_2703.html )

    “Real Target of Saudi Hysteria Is U.S. War-Avoidance Forces
    October 24, 2013 • 2:32PM

    On Tuesday, Oct. 22, the former head of Saudi intelligence at the time of the 9/11 attacks, Prince Turki bin-Faisal, delivered a tirade against the United States that mirrored the attack the same day in the Wall Street Journal by Prince Bandar bin-Sultan. However, the broadside freakout was not directed against President Obama, but against the war-avoidance faction that forced Obama to “blink” and reverse orders for the massive planned attack on Syria.
    Saudi embassy, Washington, D.C.
    Prince Turki assailed the United States for failing to launch military strikes against Syria, and claimed that the Kingdom had rejected the coveted seat on the UN Security Council, because Washington had failed to bomb Syria and because Russia and China persisted in vetoing UN sanctioned military action. To make matters perfectly clear, Prince Turki singled out General Martin Dempsey for special attack, because he refused to follow President Obama’s explicit orders to arm the Syrian rebels, orders that General Dempsey said were not in the Pentagon’s plans. For this, Prince Turki accused Gen. Dempsey of giving “comfort and solace to criminals.”
    Prince Turki made clear that Saudi Arabia is opposed to the P5+1 talks with Iran, because Iran’s actions in the region go far beyond the nuclear issue and involve Iranian destabilizations throughout the region, particularly in Bahrain. Mirroring Bandar, Prince Turki threatened that Saudi Arabia would seek alliances with France and Turkey.
    Prince Turki’s remarks were delivered during the keynote luncheon at the 30th annual conference of the National Council on US-Arab Relations in Washington. After concluding his remarks, Turki left the stage without taking any questions. He was immediately followed by General Lloyd Austin, the new Commander-in-Chief of the Central Command. While Gen. Austin’s remarks were prepared in advance, at one point in his speech, he responded directly to Prince Turki.
    During discussion of Syria, Gen. Austin focused on Al Nusra and other Al Qaeda-linked jihadist groups operating in Syria and, in clear and loud voice, warned that they are one of the greatest threats to regional peace and security. He identified them as foreign-funded foreign fighters who are getting combat experience in Syria and will return, well-armed, to their home countries throughout the CENTCOM region to pose a durable terrorist threat. While he did not mention Prince Turki’s speech or Saudi Arabia by name, it was clear to everyone in the audience of about 1,000 attendees that he was directly responding to the attacks on the U.S. war-avoidance efforts.
    According to one former U.S. ambassador attending the NCUSAR event, the Saudis were, indeed, furious at the U.S. military for refusing Saudi demands to be given the target list of the planned U.S. missile assaults on Syria, which President Obama had ordered and then cancelled. According to the former ambassador, the planned strikes involved more than 500 cruise missiles. ” http://larouchepac.com/node/28647 http://larouchepac.com/node/28248 http://larouchepac.com/node/28287


    1) ” One of the most important British assets in this global genocide scheme is Prince Bandar. Trained in Britain, Bandar was not only the Saudi interlocutor with the British Crown and BAE in forging the original Al Yamamah deal. As Saudi Ambassador in Washington (and as practically an adopted son of George H.W. Bush), Bandar presided over the Saudi intelligence officers who shepherded the 9/11 hijackers for a year, leading up to the September 2001 attacks. His wife, Princess Haifa, provided cover for Bandar’s direct financing of at least one team of the hijackers.” http://larouchepac.com/node/27794
    (LONDON CENTER OF TERRORISM AND OF THE INTERNATIONAL MAFIA ? http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/terror_memo_2703.html )
    ” The BAE-Saudi deal is essentially an oil-for-weapons swap involving the largest British weapons manufacturer, and a nation that is essentially a creature of the London-centered international oil cartel, in which Royal Dutch Shell and BP are major factors. Associated with this BAE-Shell-BP nexus are a number of important investment and commercial banks, other weapons manufacturers, and raw materials companies.”
    ” Shell is also one of the world’s most valuable companies.[3] As of January, 2013 the largest shareholder is Capital Research Global Investors with 9.85% ahead of BlackRock in second with 6.89%.[4]”
    ” At the time of the Deepwater Horizon blowout, Blackrock was the single largest shareholder of BP.” http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/BlackRock
    ” Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Bank of America Corporation, The PNC Financial Services Group, Inc. and Barclays PLC own economic interests in BlackRock approximating 34.1%, 24.6% and 19.9%, respectively, with the remainder owned by institutional and individual investors, as well as BlackRock employees.”
    Bank of America is connected with the person of Warren Buffet a notorious friend of Lord JACOB ROTHSCHILD.
    Lord JACOB ROTHSCHILD “Hosted the European Economic Round Table conference in 2002 at Waddesdon Manor, attended by such figures as James Wolfensohn, Nicky Oppenheimer, Warren Buffet, and Arnold Schwarzenegger ” https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/organisations/introduction/PEHI_Jacob_de_Rothschild_bio.htm
    http://www.waddesdon.org.uk/house/the-rothschilds/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waddesdon http://www.waddesdon.org.uk/
    Bank Of America and Merrill Lynch are also related with the Edmond De Rothschild, owned by BENJAMIN DE ROTHSCHILD AND ARIANE DE ROTHSCHILD, through the persons of Gerald Levy, Matthieu Walterspiler, Barbara Colombo, Beate Bakker, etc… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_de_Rothschild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_de_Rothschild
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/gerald-levy/60/b49/b87 http://uk.linkedin.com/in/walterspiler http://www.linkedin.com/pub/barbara-colombo/26/b21/766 http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/beate-bakker/16/a55/491
    Warren Buffet is also a friend of EVELYN DE ROTHSCHILD.
    Barclays is a bank related with the British Crown and therefore connected with Lord JACOB ROTHSCHILD and EVELYN DE ROTHSCHILD.
    ” Lord JACOB ROTHSCHILD, the behind-the-scenes controller of the Inter-Alpha Group, was a partner at Rothschild at the time he set up the Inter-Alpha Group in 1971, using its resources and then leaving in 1980 to continue his special mission, which includes advising the genocidal British Crown and managing the funds of Prince Charles’ Duchy of Cornwall, to finance his kooky, “green” schemes.”
    ” Prince Charles already played polo with EVELYN DE ROTHSCHILD in his student years and later set up the Interfaith consultations with him. ”
    EVELYN DE ROTHSCHILD ” In 1989, he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II,[2] for whom he serves as a financial adviser. ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Robert_de_Rothschild
    Barclays Bank and Royal Bank of Scotland are also linked with the Edmond De Rothschild and therefore with BENJAMIN DE ROTHSCHILD AND ARIANE DE ROTHSCHILD.
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/laura-scolan/a/ba1/7b7 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-phillips/4/5b9/772 http://it.linkedin.com/pub/guido-corsetti/a/67a/44a http://www.linkedin.com/pub/nicolas-jugniot/b/78/884
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rothschild,_4th_Baron_Rothschild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_de_Rothschild
    http://www.lejdd.fr/Economie/Images/Les-plus-grosses-fortunes-de-France/Benjamin-de-Rothschild-206941 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_de_Rothschild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Robert_de_Rothschild
    ” Al-Massari is allied with the well-known Saudi expatriate Osama bin Laden, who, to this day, maintains a residence in the wealthy London suburb of Wembly. And London is the headquarters of bin Laden’s Advise and Reform Commission, run by the London-based Khalid al-Fawwaz.
    Bin Laden has been given regular access to BBC and a variety of major British newspapers, to spread his calls for jihad against the United States. Thus, in July 1996, bin Laden told the London Independent, “What happened in Khobar [the U.S. Army barracks that was bombed on June 25] is a clear proof of the enormous rage of the Saudi population against them. Resistance against America will spread in many places through Muslim lands.” http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/terror_memo_2703.html

    ( THE BUSH FAMILY’S BRITISH FASCISM http://larouchepac.com/node/27310 )
    ” former President George H. W. Bush, then a senior adviser to Carlyle ”
    ” The Bush family has had a long and mutually profitable connection with the corrupt Saudi oil dictatorship. Prince Bandar, Saudi ambassador to the United States, has been an honored guest both at the Bush I summer home in Kennebunkport, Maine, and at Bush 11’s getaway in Crawford, Texas (hence his nickname, “Bandar Bush”). Bandar expressed his gratitude to Bush I by donating $1 million to the Bush Presidential Library in Texas. And Bandar’s prodding prompted Saudi King Fahd to send another $1 million to Barbara Bush’s campaign against illiteracy.
    Saudi Prince al-Walid contributed half a million petrodollars to help launch the George Herbert Walker Bush Scholarship Fund at Phillips Academy, the alma mater of both Bush presidents. The depth of these connections was highlighted when the former president visited the Saudis to “discuss U.S.-Saudi business relations” with Crown Prince Abdullah during his son’s 2000 presidential campaign.
    And then there is the bin Laden problem. The bin Laden family, a key Carlyle investor, stood to make millions of dollars from the war on terror-a war that has as its chief villain a member of their own family. The bin Ladens withdrew from the Carlyle Group in late October 2001, but it’s not just the bin Laden family proper that was problematic for the Bushes. It turns out that Prince Bandar’s wife, Princess Haifa, had made charitable contributions that may have helped finance two of the 9/11 hijackers. ” http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Bush_Gang/CarlyleGroup_TETTR.html
    ” Carlyle emerged from the shadows in spite of itself on September 11, 2001. That day, the group had organized a meeting at Washington’s Ritz Carlton Hotel with five hundred of its largest investors. Frank Carlucci and James Baker III played masters of ceremony. George Bush senior made a lightning appearance at the beginning of the day. The presentation was quickly interrupted, but one detail escaped no one. One of the guests wore the name bin Laden on his badge. It was Shafiq bin Laden, one of Osama’s many brothers. The American media discovered Carlyle. One journalist, Dan Briody, wrote a book about the group’s hidden side, “The Iron Triangle”, and takes an interest in the close relations between the Bush clan and the Saudi leadership.” http://www.culturechange.org/CarlyleEmpire.html
    ” The collection of influential characters who now work, have worked, or have invested in the [ Carlyle ] group would make the most convinced conspiracy theorists incredulous. They include among others, John Major, former British Prime Minister; Fidel Ramos, former Philippines President; Park Tae Joon, former South Korean Prime Minister; Saudi Prince Al-Walid; Colin Powell, the present Secretary of State; James Baker III, former Secretary of State; Caspar Weinberger, former Defense Secretary; Richard Darman, former White House Budget Director; the billionaire George Soros, and even some bin Laden family members. You can add Alice Albright, daughter of Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State; Arthur Lewitt, former SEC head; William Kennard, former head of the FCC, to this list. Finally, add in the Europeans: Karl Otto Poehl, former Bundesbank president; the now-deceased Henri Martre, who was president of Aerospatiale; and Etienne Davignon, former president of the Belgian Generale Holding Company ” http://www.culturechange.org/CarlyleEmpire.html
    ” Carlyle is the 11th largest defense contractor in the US. It is 20%-owned by Mellon Bank (http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Mellon_family) and is controlled by the powerful Blackstone Group (seeOverthrow of the American Republic), which dined cheaply on the carcasses of looted S&L’s at auctions held by Bush Sr.’s Resolution Trust Corporation. ”
    http://www.almartinraw.com/uri1.html http://transmissionsmedia.com/the-911-illusion-part-ii-deutsche-bank-blackstone/
    ” Henry Kissinger’s good friend Lord JACOB ROTHSCHILD sat on Bioport owner Blackstone’s International Advisory Board. (See Corexit Linked to the Blackstone Group and Lord Jacob Rothschild) ”
    http://transmissionsmedia.com/the-911-illusion-part-ii-deutsche-bank-blackstone/ http://beforeitsnews.com/gulf-oil-spill/2010/06/corexit-linked-to-the-blackstone-group-and-lord-jacob-rothschild-76363.html
    ” Blackstone was founded in 1985 as a mergers and acquisitions boutique by Peter G. Peterson and Stephen A. Schwarzman, who had previously worked together at Lehman Brothers, Kuhn, Loeb Inc. ”
    Peter G. Peterson ” is founding Chairman of the Peterson Institute for International Economics ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson
    Lynn Forester de Rothschild, the wife of Sir EVELYN DE ROTHSCHILD, is a director of the Peterson Institute for International Economics. http://www.petersoninstitute.org/institute/board.cfm
    Blackstone is also related with the LCF EDMOND DE ROTHSCHILD owned by BENJAMIN DE ROTHSCHILD and by his wife ARIANE DE ROTHSCHILD, for example through the person of Daniel Costa Lindo that is a M&A Analyst at Blackstone and was Private Equity Analyst at LCF Edmond de Rothschild. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-costa-lindo/32/255/543
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_de_Rothschild http://www.lejdd.fr/Economie/Images/Les-plus-grosses-fortunes-de-France/Benjamin-de-Rothschild-206941 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_de_Rothschild
    ” Benjamin de Rothschild, only son of the late Edmond de Rothschild, was a classic case of great expectations gone astray. Despite being groomed for greatness from a young age, as a teenager he skipped university and instead headed for Los Angeles with dreams of being a film producer. In LA he started taking drugs, and ended up on heroin. Meanwhile, he failed to make it into Hollywood’s charmed circle and bombed as a film-maker. ” http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/poor-little-rich-boys-1097744.html http://wikimapia.org/6825620/fr/Chateau-de-Pregny http://www.panoramio.com/photo/77169200
    ( “SENATOR MCCAIN AND GRAHAM ECHO THE WAR PARTY’S “WE NEED THE SAUDIS” LINE http://larouchepac.com/node/28693 )
    ( REP. LOUIE GOHMERT ATTACKS JOHN MCCAIN FOR SUPPORTING AL-QAEDA http://larouchepac.com/node/28601 http://larouchepac.com/node/28156 )
    ” Lynn Forester de Rothschild: Wife of Sir Evelyn de Rothschild and runs E.L. Rothschild, LLC with him. Director of The Economist since 2002. Member RIIA, IISS and the Atlantic Council. Backer of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and Republican candidate John McCain, just as Jacob Rothschild. ” http://wikispooks.com/ISGP/intro.htm
    ” In April, Mr McCain passed through London and spoke at a fund-raising dinner for expatriate Americans, where seats at the cheapest tables cost £500 a head. What caught the eye of Judicial Watch, a Washington-based foundation dedicated to combating corruption, was that the event was held “by kind permission of Lord Rothschild and Hon Nathaniel Rothschild” at the family home in Spencer House, St James’s, the only privately owned 17th-century palace in central London.
    The US Federal Election Committee is still investigating the allegation that Mr McCain’s campaign team broke electoral law by accepting a benefit in kind from the Rothschilds. “We haven’t heard from the FEC yet, and don’t expect to until after the campaign,” Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch said.” http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-rothschilds-and-their-200-years-of-political-influence-969772.html
    ” Elizabeth Neilson used the unflattering phrase as she remembered the ‘crazy’ life her model daughter Annabelle was sucked into after she met Rothschild on a beach in Bali in 1995.
    The pair were married for about two years, divorcing in 1998.
    The short-lived marriage, which it is understood Annabelle ended, was turbulent from the outset, with reports that the pair moved with a fast crowd of heavy drinkers and drug users in New York and London.
    Mrs Neilson also made it plain yesterday that neither she nor any memberof her family wanted to have anything to do with Nat Rothschild [son of Jacob Rothschild ] or his family again.
    Speaking from her £3million home in Chelsea, West London, she said: ‘Nat’s a very naughty boy. He always was when he was younger. ”


    Written by Christopher Bollyn

    UNETHICAL JOURNALISM – FOX News supports military action against the Assad government of Syria but does not inform its viewers that the network’s owner, Rupert Murdoch, is part-owner of an oil exploration company illegally exploiting the resources of Israeli-occupied Syria.
    Millions of Americans get their news from FOX News, the Wall Street Journal, or through some other news outlet owned by Rupert Murdoch. FOX News and Murdoch-owned news outlets generally support U.S. military action against Syria, but they do not inform their viewers and readers that Mr. Murdoch has a vested interest in war with Syria. Rupert Murdoch is part-owner of an Israeli-American company that has been granted the rights to explore for oil on the Golan Heights – Israeli-occupied Syrian land. It is highly unethical for FOX News not to disclose this information to its viewers.
    Israel has granted oil exploration rights inside Syria, in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, to Genie Energy. Rupert Murdoch and Lord Jacob Rothschild are major shareholders of Genie Energy – which also has interests in shale gas in the United States and shale oil in Israel. Dick Cheney is also on the company’s advisory board.
    It is illegal under international law for Israel to grant oil exploration rights on occupied territory, as Craig Murray wrote in his February 2013 article “Israel Grants Oil Rights in Syria to Murdoch and Rothschild”:
    For Israel to seek to exploit mineral reserves in the occupied Golan Heights is plainly illegal in international law. Japan was successfully sued by Singapore before the International Court of Justice for exploitation of Singapore’s oil resources during the Second World War. The argument has been made in international law that an occupying power is entitled to operate oil wells which were previously functioning and operated by the sovereign power, in whose position the occupying power now stands. But there is absolutely no disagreement in the authorities and case law that the drilling of new wells – let alone fracking – by an occupying power is illegal.
    The fact that Jacob Rothschild and Rupert Murdoch are invested in oil exploration efforts in occupied Syria suggests that they support the overthrow of the Assad government in Damascus in order to weaken Syria and divide the nation in much the same way as Yugoslavia was dismembered in the 1990s. ”

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