Obama eligibility, Dumbing down Constitution for Obama’s sake?, World Net Daily, Constitution amended by fiat
“Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise
that it will last; but nothing in this world is certain but death and
“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation, for through this in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.”…George Washington
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”…Abraham Lincoln
From Joseph Farah of World Net Daily November 06, 2011.
•”He’s clearly a citizen of the United States.”
•”We’ve seen his birth certificate.”
•”Without question, Barack Obama was born in the U.S.”
•”Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and that settles it.”
•”It’s nuttiness and counterproductive to question the president’s eligibility for office.”
These are some of the phrases we hear from Barack Obama’s ardent defenders – people like Anderson Cooper and nearly all his colleagues in the news media.
We hear the same drivel from the Republican establishment – people like Karl Rove, who insist the important principle of constitutional integrity should not be a “distraction” in efforts to defeat Obama at the polls.
But what happens when the national debate is systematically stifled by these gatekeepers is that we allow Barack Obama’s clear lack of basic qualifications for office dumb down the rule of law, set a new lower standard of constitutional eligibility and redefine what the Constitution says and what the Supreme Court has ruled on its meaning?
In effect, we are allowing the Constitution to be amended by fiat – all because there is no political or legal mechanism in place to ensure candidates for president are constitutionally fit to serve.
Barack Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” as required by Section 2, Article 1, of the Constitution. It has nothing to do with where he was born. It has to do with what Barack Obama has consistently represented to the American people about his birth – that his father was a citizen of Kenya. This is a disqualifier for office because that fact means he is not a “natural born citizen,” the offspring of American citizens. It wouldn’t matter if he were born in Kansas on the Fourth of July or on the dark side of the moon.
As we mercifully approach the end of the Obama regime, it’s time to get serious about the bigger issue of presidential eligibility for the future of this country. If we allow the Obama eligibility standard to become the de facto law of the land, we lose one more important component of constitutional integrity – and we’re on our way to being a nation adrift from any legal moorings.
When I first set out on the lonely course to make this a national issue, against all odds, I predicted that it would not go away. I predicted it would be a major issue in the 2012 presidential election. I also predicted it would not be settled in any court in America. In other words, I was three for three in my predictions.
Today, there remains a total political disconnect between the American people, who understand Obama is an illegitimate pretender to the highest office in the land, and the elite media and political establishment – both Republican and Democrat – which simply doesn’t care what the Constitution requires.
But the Constitution and its clear intent and purpose are much bigger and more important to the future of America than is Barack Obama.”
“It’s not a choice between Democrat and Republican. It’s a choice between right and wrong.”
Well said and amen Mr. Farah.
Thanks to commenter GORDO
Good Morning CW!
JustiaGate: Keep Scrubbing, Stanley…You Missed a Few Spots.
Posted in Uncategorized on November 2, 2011 by naturalborncitizen
[UPDATED: Nov. 6, 2011 11:53 AM – See New RULES on posting comments.]
Justia.com published corrupted versions of 25 US Supreme Court opinions pertaining to the issue of POTUS eligibility. (See previous JustiaGate reports here, here, here and here.) Admitting that many Supreme Court cases had, in fact, been “mangled”, Justia CEO Tim Stanley told CNET on Oct. 24, 2011:
“When we discovered the issue, we corrected the script and the cases now render correctly.”
But it’s now apparent that Justia missed a few rather large spots cleaning up their mess. This morning, I received a comment by prolific Constitutional researcher, Dan Goodman, who published an article entitled, “Natural (native) Born Citizen Defined“, on Aug. 22, 2009 at the Social Science Research Network. (This post does not intend to comment upon the conclusions of Goodman’s article.) In that report, Goodman quotes directly from the United States Supreme Court in BLAKE v. MCCLUNG, 172 U.S. 239, 256-257 (1898):
“The constitution forbids only such legislation affecting citizens of the respective states as will substantially or practically put a citizen of one state in a condition of alienage when he is within or when he removes to another state, or when asserting in another state the rights that commonly appertain to those who are part of the political community known as the People of the United States, by and for whom the government of the Union was ordained and established.” (Emphasis added. Link to FindLaw version of case.) http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Good for you!Keep the heat turned up on high where Justia is concerned. Glad Goodman recognised the errors.
The reason the courts will not do anything can be found here:
I suggest you read the whole thing:
Up until 1933, we operated under Public Law. After 1933 we operated under Public Policy. What is the difference?
Public law. That branch or department of law which is concerned with the state in its political or sovereign capacity, including constitutional and administrative law, and with the definition, regulation, and enforcement of rights where the state is regarded as the subject of the right or object of the duty, . . . That portion of law which is concerned with political conditions; that is to say, with the powers, rights, duties, capacities, and incapacities which are peculiar to political superiors, supreme and subordinate.
Before 1933 we had public law, based on rights, constitutions, statutes, etc., and the state was the subject of the rights and the object of the duty to protect those rights. If you went to court, you went as a sovereign with inalienable rights, and the courts upheld them.
After 1933, when everybody’s status changed, we then went under public policy.
Public policy doctrine. Doctrine whereby a court may refuse to enforce contracts that violate law or public policy.
Public policy. Community common sense and common conscience, extended and applied throughout the state to matters of public morals, health, safety, welfare, and the like; it is that general and well-settled public opinion relating to man’s plain, palpable duty to his fellow men, having due regard to all circumstances of each particular relation and situation.
November 11, 2011 march on Washington, led by General Paul Vallely, Col Jim Harding and Col Harry Riley
oldsalt79 | November 7, 2011 at 9:29 am |
Good for you!Keep the heat turned up on high where Justia is concerned. Glad Goodman recognised the errors.
OldSalt79, These socialist bastards have systematically usurped the Presidency and scrubbed our laws to cover their a$$. Which is another crime.
Their crimes are being discovered and brought forth by Citizens, while “law enforcement” has yet to announce an investigation.
Start listening at about the 43 minute mark. This guy means business, and he is mad! http://youtu.be/SFQQ5Bn3WYM
The Case Against Barack Obama, Sr.
“We won’t be fooled again…
The evidence is clear: there is no license; there was no marriage. Ann took Obama’s name, but there was no love, no estrangement, no coercion, no selfless gallantry in the “marriage.” Obama was a financially desperate student who got a big break when the Dunhams found him and paid him to be a father in name only. Ann and son Barry went on with their lives, and Obama continued on with his studies.”
Some of our local VFW members who are going to attend the DC meeting have expressed the idea that ALL of the vets might be ordered out of DC,without reason. If this happens it will be the shot heard all over the US by ALL vets. Further I ask for what reason would they be asked to leave, it certainly is not a felony for an american citizen to be in DC nor is it a felony for people to sightsee. Soetoro…. DON’T TREAD ON US.
Cain’s accuser to break her silence monday afternoon at a news conference….
I wonder if Al Sharpton is behind these alligations against Cain?
I wonder if the accuser’s name is LaTonya !
Lesley Stahl’s selective outrage:
“Abramoff turns anchor’s stomach with extent of corruption in Washington”
“Stahl was stunned and personally sickened by the revelations, summarizing, “I really think what you were doing was subverting the essence of our system.””
[video at link]
Lesley and the entire MSM have no problem with Obama’s “hidden” past/corruption – they lie and ridicule to protect him (and themselves).
This USURPER who is acting as our president is planning ANOTHER 2 week vacation (he calls it work) into the Far East this time…..
As Rome burns ( America in decline), the Emperor with no cloths has decide to take about 2 weeks from his busy schedule and again go back to the place where his dear old grandmammy was put to rest and where her ashes were scattered to the winds in Hawaii, then on to Bali, and Australia with a few days stop in Indonesia, and other points of interest.
I wonder if he will be taking his entire family (including mother-in-law, aunts and uncles, cousins, friends and fellow politicians and Reggie love, his man servant) with him?
I can’t wait till the final bill is paid on this boon-doggle.
Thank God, the national elections is only 365 days away!
In thinking about some of the remarks made by the Republican candidates lately regarding the Social Security System is becomes plain to me that NOT ONE OF THEM EVEN HAS A CLUE as to how the Social Security System operated in the early years of it’s life. I personally believe that had the funding of the system NOT BEEN repeatedly RAPED by the various Democratic,and Republican administrations alike, it would still be a viable entity today. The childish acting candidates try to imply it was a PONZI scheme. In the first place there was no such thing as a PONZI scheme in 1935,and 1936. The system was built around perfectly LEGAL and I might add PRODUCTIVE Annuities. Just for comparison had it not been for annuities that were written by some of the leading insurance companies of that day Mutual of Omaha,Prudential,etc ahell of a lot of people would have STARVED to death. Annuities are still a legally valid financial medium, and still written by most insurance companies. You cannot take money out of any investment faster than it is put in without the investment becoming a LOSS. This is asomethying thet ALL of the POTUS Candidates NEED TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES about, because NONE OF THEM KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT when they try to discuss the Social Security System. Perhaps it has BECOME a PONZI SCHEME,but that would be the result of ……ONCE AGAIN IT’S FUNDS BEING TAKEN FROM IT FASTER THAN IT IS PUT IN BY CROOKED POLITICIANS TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS ,AND TO FINANCE THEIR WARS. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE USED FOR EITHER. tHE CROOKED POLITICIANS DECIDED TO MAKE IT PART OF THE GENERAL FUND SO THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO RAPE IT AT WILL,AND THAT THEY DID. DON’T BLAME THE SENIORS WHO LEGALLY RECEIVE IT BLAME THE BASTARDS WHO RAPED IT REPEATEDLY.
oldsalt79 | November 7, 2011 at 10:17 am |
Some of our local VFW members who are going to attend the DC meeting have expressed the idea that ALL of the vets might be ordered out of DC,without reason.
Old Salt, did you get to read Jonah’s post from the prior thread? If not, check it out (Jonah | November 6, 2011 at 11:05 pm). I wonder if this is a forerunner of what the vets may expect on the 11th. She posted a video, too, and it is frightening.
She says, “Occupy DC” Violently Raids Tea Party’s “Defending the American Dream Summit”…many injured….” If these rabble rousers mess with our vets, there could be big problems. According to the organizers of the Vets DC meeting, they have been told to NOT bring ANY firearms whatsoever to the rally.
I can see how if the Occupy folks get nasty that Obama could order the vets to leave. That would be a BIG mistake. I mean BIG!
Good morning Zach, et al.
Joe Farah has it right but he could widen that comment about the disconnect between political elite and voters to take in a much wider consituency. My disappearance from US blogs and comment threads about a year ago was prompted by a spontaneous realisation among libertarian bloggers in the UK that we must raise awareness of how national sovereignty is being subsumed beneath layers of regulation imposed by the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels.
Even as the so called leaders try desperately to patch together some temporary fix to prop up failing souther European Nations (Club Med – eeryone is on a permanent holiday) with basket case economies and thus preserve their beloved European Superstate project, the Portugese Communist Jose Barroso and the Belgian Bureaucrat Herman von Rompuy, joint EU Presidents, are in negotiation with Turkey, Ukraine and the Sharia loving emergent regimes of Egypt, Tunisia and Libya about expanding the European Union to include North African and middle eastern nations and former soviet republics with worse economies than Greece.
We must start resisting because these people, and Obama is one of them,
will not rest until they have a global government in which toytown states like Bukino Faso and Swaziland have equal status with the USA, Britain, Germany, France and Japan.
rminnc | November 7, 2011 at 10:50 am |
This USURPER who is acting as our president is planning ANOTHER 2 week vacation (he calls it work) into the Far East this time…..
rminnc, I just read the news article, and USURPER is leaving on Veterans Day, the 11th, the day for the big vet rally. Getting out of Dodge?
I GIVE SPECIAL THANKS TO THE ULTIMATE A$$HOLE WHO DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION DECIDED ALONG WITH THE ALWAYS CROOKED CONGRESS TO MAKE THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM PART OF THE GENERAL FUND. THE POLITICIANS TRY TO SAY IT WAS DONE TO MAKE THE ACCOUNTING EASIER. YEAH EASIER TO GET THROUGH TO EXECUTE MULTIPLE RAPES OF THE FUNDS UNDETECTED. THAT IS THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT. THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH ROBBERY OF THE FUNDS THAT THE SYSTEM IS NO LONGER ABLE TO PRODUCE THE BENEFITS THAT IT WOULD HAVE PRODUCED HAD IT BEEN LEFT ALONE. THIS INCLUDES MEDICARE AS WELL. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT SOETORO TOOK $500 BILLION OUT OF MEDICARE . SOME OF IT WENT TO THE IMF AND IN TURN TO CERTAIN FOREIGN COUNTRIES TO FUND THE ABORTIONS OF THEIR STREEWALKER WHORES.
That news conference with yet another woman who is going public is at 1:30 PM eastern. She will appear with her lawyer, the famous, publicity-seeking Gloria Allred, a noted Democrat.
IF AMERICAN SENIORS ARE SO DAMN COMPLACENT THAT THEY DON’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED,AND IS STILL HAPPENING TODAY THEN PERHAPS YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR SS BENEFITS……..THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS RIGHT NOW. OF COURSE YOU CAN THINK WHATEVER YOU WANT,BUT DON’T CRY AND WHINE WHEN IT HAPPENS, BECAUSE TOGETHER YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED IT FROM HAPPENING. FURTHER IF YOU THINK THAT AARP HAS YOUR INTERESTS AT HEART,YOU HAD BETTER THINK AGAIN. THE OFFICIALS STAND TO GAIN SEVERAL BILLION DOLLARS FROM THE ILLEGAL SOETORO ADMINISTRATION,FOR PUSHING THE OBAMACARE. EASY TO SEE IF YOU LOOK.
With the few noted “complaints” against Mr. Cain so far there appear to be no reliable witnesses….only she said he said. Now if people can get pay offs without foundation they certainly were fortunate….and that can only start a trend.
Wonder who’s paying the “attorney” in this latest???? There’s always some back up group knowing this lady is always willing to try her cases at press conferences. Mr. Cain said it was over….no more questions….period. Guess they didn’t like that!
Last comment is apparently in moderation. Can I do something to free me?
THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THAT SENIORS CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST THIS CROOKED CRAP FROM DC. IF YOU ARE NOT AMBULATORY BUT HAVE UPPER BODY ABILITY,AND A GOOD MIND,GET INVOLVED. MAKE YOUR COMPUTER SYSTEM AVAILABLE FOR USE BY THE CONSERVATIVES, OR THE LOCAL TEA PARTY. THEY NEED THE HELP,AND THE EQUIPMENT. IF YOU ARE COMPLETELY AMBULATORY,THEN VISIT THE OFFICES OR HOMESA OF YOUR LOCAL TEA PARTY OFFICIALS AND MAKE A COMMITMENT TO ASSIST THEM……I AM SURE YOU WILL BE WELL RECEIVED. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE DO THIS EVERYWHERE YOU WILL HELP THE TEA PARTY CLEAR THE HURDLES IN IT’S PATH. IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL THEN YOU MIGHT JUST KEEP YOUR PRESENT LIFE STYLE. TURN YOUR BACK AND YOU COULD LOSE ALL OF YOUR PRESENT LIFE STYLE. HELP IS NEEDED.
Ian Thorpe November 7, 2011 at 11:12 am |
…..the Portugese Communist Jose Barroso and the Belgian Bureaucrat Herman von Rompuy, joint EU Presidents, are in negotiation with Turkey, Ukraine and the Sharia loving emergent regimes of Egypt, Tunisia and Libya about expanding the European Union to include North African and middle eastern nations and former soviet republics with worse economies than Greece.
Thank you, Ian, for informing us of this startling information. We knew it was bad in Europe, but I did not know that this wild, concerted effort is being made to extend the EU in such fashion. This is information not widely known here in America.
If she is one of the two who signed separation agreements with National Restaurant Association, she is asking for some real trouble that even “ALLRED” won’t be able to handle. It is called CIVIL SUIT, BIG BUCKS. I wouldn’t be surprised if “ALLRED” is the instigator, she is one of the California Liberal Dems. As such she would be a supporter of Soetoro.
I also wish to thank you for updating us on what is going on in Europe,as there is in fact definite ties with what is happening here. Keep us posted…….much obliged.
if you have for some reason refreshed your information lines below the reply box you might have inadvertently either mispelled something or left a space where none should be. This will cause moderation.
If the beer guzzling,lard assed union goons from the SEIU,Teamsters etc, start a problem,it is entirely possible that it could quickly escalate into a full blown DONNYBROOK. Of course the lard assed union goons are going to get the knots on their heads, possible broken arms, contusions and lacerations. I have received information that there is going to be a special group from the Citadel, as well. Many vets who served in the Southern states are quite familiar with the Citadel Cadets. They live for a fight………with knives.
………..but the good news is that they would be buttressing the VETS. Unfortunately if the Citadel bunch starts carving on the SEIU union goons then it could cause the DC police to order ALL vets out of town forthwith. I doubt that the DC police would even interfere with the Citadel bunch.
This woman is in addition to the other three. She is willing to go public with Allred’s presence to back her up. This is just another attempt to stop the Cain Train. The bigger guns are coming forward now. It is too easy to let the other pass.
It is conceiveable that the UNION GOONS might try to attack the Tea Party membership,in an attempt to make it look like the veterans done it. I got some bad news for the lard assed union goons you will be on film, and identified. The filming is going to be CONTINUOUS so whoever throws the first punch will have a really nice picture taken of him. SLAMMER HERE HE COMES.
“I predict that draconian actions such as suspension of elections as well as suspension of any part of the Constitution will create fertile standing to challenge the Constitutionality of such actions as well as the Constitutional eligibility of the POTUS. ” Read more at Leo Donofrio’s, NaturalBornCitizen blog.
Hotatlanta Mike–Regarding the article at American Thinker concerning Obama Sr and the unlikelihood of his being the true father, that site will not print my comments concerning the Malcolm X theory of his paternity that was brought up at an Israeli website back in 2008. From an Israeli Intel source the article at Israeli Insider tried to connect the dots on this.
Then Rev. Manning, who has made some “far-out” statements at times, at least was able to discover the CIA connection to Obama’s activities when he was supposed to be at Columbia U.
The elites in Washington do not want the public to know Obama’s true parentage nor that he was recruited by the CIA during the Cold War because of his Muslim credentials. That is the long and short of it, except that there is the problem of “transference,” that an agent may transfer his loyalty to a target nation. Is Obama working for us or for them (i.e. Iran and the Jihadists)?
Most conspiracy theories are whacko, but sometimes there are real conspiracies. Obama is a natural born citizen, his parents being Malcolm Little (called Malcolm X) and Stanley Ann Dunham. He was born in Hawaii. His personal records are not available and the courts won’t touch the issue because his records are classified in the interest of national security. The question is, as stated above, on whose side? Everything his administration has done in foreign policy, including the support of the “Arab Spring” favors Iran. Notice the inconsistancy with Syria? But Syria’s leadership is Shiite and allied with Iran. When Israel takes matters into their own hands and bombs Iran, what then?
Ian Thorpe | November 7, 2011 at 11:12 am |
TOOBIGTOFAIL has gone Global!!
Citizen Wells–I’ve been critical at times because you have allowed so much free play in the posts here so that there has been some crazy discussion. But I see the wisdom in your policy after several attempts to post and submit articles to American Thinker. They “can” the Malcolm X theory of Obama’s paternity. It is not allowed. Period. Perhaps it is too frightening to consider? Or would they not at least allow for its discussion? Anyway, apparently they do not think it respectable enough to allow. But thank you for staying online and providing this forum.
bob strauss | November 7, 2011 at 9:52 am |
November 11, 2011 march on Washington, led by General Paul Vallely, Col Jim Harding and Col Harry Riley
I hope that they will be starting their get together at 11:11 AM , as Friday will be
Nov.11th,2011 or 11/11/11
THE LONG AWAITED PRESS CONFERENCE CONCERNING HERMAN CAIN’S SEXUAL MISCONDUCT HAS ARRIVED…..
WHERE DID THEY DIG THAT BLOND BIMBO UP FROM?
I SURE HOPE SOMEONE CHECKS OUT HER CREDENTIALS REAL CLOSE….MAYBE CNN IS AT THE BASE OF ALL THIS.
SOUNDS LIKE SOUR GRAPES TOO ME !!!
SHE WASN’T EVEN AN EMPLOYEE OF THE NRA AT THE TIME HERMAN SUPPOSEDLY MADE A SEXUAL ASSAULT ON HER…
SHE HAD BEEN FIRED..OR LET GO A MONTH BEFORE….
SHE APPROACHED HERMAN TRYING TO CONVIENCE HIM TO GIVE HER A JOB BACK….
MAYBE IT WAS HERMAN WHO WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY THE BLOND BIMBO….IS THAT A POSSIBILITY?
Well it’is official – Herman Cain will be our next President. The fourth woman (prompted by Gloria Allred) just said Herman Cain put his hand up her dress and pulled her head towards his privates. These are the same kind of charges put on William Jefferson(Kissit) Clinton and guess what – HE WON
PS – This was reported on MSNBC
“MSNBC IS THE RECTAL THERMOMETER FOR POTOMAC FEVER”
Sounds like sexual harrassment and groping to me. Since I left the Democrats after being fed up with their sexist and disgusting behavior towards Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin, I hope the GOP does not nominate someone with multiple allegations against him of inappropriate behavior towards women. Why men from both parties think they can run for office and be this way is beyond me when the majority of voters in the US are women.
PPS – Plus she is a white racist!!
I am not condoning poor behavior towards women, but this woman was not an employee of NRA at the time and thus it is not sexual harrassment. How can Herman Cain defend against these accusations and how do we know if there aren’t nefarious motivations?
While I deplore CNN for not going after Obama, the facts will come out with Herman Cain. Someone is lying. There will be more after this just like with Weiner. This is the third or forth woman to come forward along with a male who says he witnessed some of this. We can’t fall in love with candidates. This is not a cult.
What facts will come out? Unless there are pictures or other concrete evidence, it is merely innuendo. Herman Cain is in a “no win” situation. He denies the allegations.
Many decisions in life are the lesser of evils.
He’s taken us on a ride, Paxson. Look at the facts: the day after he announces his candidacy, he doesn’t know what the right of return is for Palestinians, which he should if he’s going to know about foreign policy. He stated on Fox and on CNN twice that he was against abortion, but for a woman’s right to choose. He’s not set up to run in Iowa to run a campaign. He was very wishy washy on whether China had nukes last week. He debated Newt this weekend and twice had to have Newt answer for him on simple domestic policy economic questions that he claims to be an expert on. Now he has a checkered past according to multiple people. If he said, it’s true, he’s sorry, he has cleaned up his act for the last 15 years, I’d accept that, but it’s clear where there’s smoke there is fire. This may have been a hit job. I hate the way the MSM tears down candidates against Obama, and beefs up OB. I would support Cain if he had his policy correct, but he doesn’t. He’s not ready for prime time either way. Maybe he wanted to sell books or prepare for a run in 2016, but he’s not ready now and it’s better we know that now. I’m sorry. It’s just the way it is.
He’s taken us on a ride, Paxson. Look at the facts: the day after he announces his candidacy, he doesn’t know what the right of return is for Palestinians, which he should if he’s going to know about foreign policy. He stated on Fox and on CNN twice that he was against abortion, but for a woman’s right to choose. He’s not set up to run in Iowa to run a campaign. He was very wishy washy on whether China had nukes last week. He debated Newt this weekend and twice had to have Newt answer for him on simple domestic policy economic questions that he claims to be an expert on.
p.s……guess where the accuser is from…….
Everyone who said CHICAGO….Your correct…
Now who would have guess CHICAGO….
This thing stinks like the sewers of Chicgo…isn’t Axlerod there now?
If Cain said, it’s true, he’s sorry, he has cleaned up his act for the last 15 years, I’d accept that, but it’s clear where there’s smoke there is fire. This may have been a hit job. I hate the way the MSM tears down candidates against Obama, and beefs up OB. I would support Cain if he had his policy correct, but he doesn’t, and PJ media is reporting Cain had an affair with one of these women. He’s not ready for prime time either way. Maybe he wanted to sell books or prepare for a run in 2016, but he’s not ready now and it’s better we know that now. I’m sorry. It’s just the way it is.
Distract, distract, distract….keep the media busy running after shadows and accused sexual misconduct…….
This will keep the heat off of our little HOMO USURPER…..
PR 101. When you make a mistake, be honest, come clean and move on which is why Newt may be able to rise in the polls now. All Cain has to say is I was stupid. I learned from my mistakes and I apologize to the women and my wife, and then move on. Obama and media win as long as this is in the media. The GOP loses. Hopefully, someone will tell Cain that soon. His handlers are doing a terrible job at this.
The saddest part of it all is that there are many people who believe all the BULLSH#T without even so much as one question. It was these sort of people who put Soetoro in office. Now they want to do it AGAIN. Then afterward they get a stupid look on their face and say I didn’t know THAT. Too late! You have already been had. That is sort of like voting for somebody who you think has nice buns………a total squander of your voting rights.
Have you noticed that Obama has risen in the polls during the last few days when the Cain scandal has been in the news? The longer this goes on the more the public will turn to the Dems in contrast. Obama is laughing all the way to the bank. Cain is helping Obama with this.
Then it would appear that you like who you helped put in office in 2008. I hope that you like what sort of life you will have if he is re elected in 2012.
The standards of evidence that the MSM is using to promote this story is ridiculously low. Right now we have piling on and women who admit that they weren’t employed at the NRA at the time declaring harassment. Sorry, if it happened, it might be poor behavior but it doesn’t meet the definition of sexual harrassment in the work place.
If these stories are false on the part of the women and you believe people are just doing it to say something false about Cain, why don’t we see women coming forward about Ron Paul or Rick Santorum or Jon Huntsman. Why haven’t men made false statements against Michelle Bachmann? Some of these folks have made statements on penalty of perjury against Cain. You can continue to defend the cult of Cain or you can work to find someone who can beat Obama.
Can you imagine if the press used 1/1,000,000th of these low standards of scrutiny to investigate Obama’s past? It’s ridiculous.
Paxon, since I taught sexual harrassment to top executives for many years, I can tell you, Mr. Cain would have been fired within a few days in the private sector based on what we know now with several women and a male witness coming forward.
Just questions….like everybody else, don’t know….but is this another case where there are no witnesses….and didn’t the woman say, correct me if I’m wrong, that she did not tell her boyfriend, apparently immediately, any of the details that she now tells the entire public? She just said that Mr. Cain acted inappropriately. Over all the years she told no one….got no compensation, did not get a lawyer then, and now just happens to find Gloria Alred as THE lawyer that needs to know and help her.
Wonder how Mrs. Cain with her own health problems (as well as the children) must now feel….even without knowing what’s what yet.
With Hillary, at least she knew what she was getting before she made the stupid decision to marry the guy, and even after all the years of knowing what was what, she still went out and blamed the innocent.
I should say I taught sexual harassment policy classes.
Paxson | November 7, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
Can you imagine if the press used 1/1,000,000th of these low standards of scrutiny to investigate Obama’s past? It’s ridiculous.
Agreed, and it is horrible. I’m very, very angry with the media. They are free, but they are not fair and they have become Democratic propaganda machines. Journalists should be ashamed of themselves or declare themselves what they are, in the tank for Obama.
Can you PROVE with documentation that Cain done all that he is being accused of? Let us see your PROOF. Arrest records, etc.If Cain didn’t do any of it then WHY DO YOU THINK HE SHOULD ADMIT TO DOING SOMETHING HE DIDN’T DO. NOW YOU NEED TO PROVE what you say. Show us the ARREST RECORDS, or any official document that clearly establishes Cain’s guilt. HE LIKE ALL Americans are considered INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW. When was he convicted? If there is NO conviction then he is INNOCENT.
Tina..He wasn’t fired. That’s the point. The HR and insurance company settled for approximately the cost to open the case and litigate in two of the cases. The poor behavior that he is accused of was never brought to the attention of the board of directors, per recent statements. Also, this latest woman wasn’t even an employee at the time and obviously has some sort of axe to grind for being let go for lack of production.
Whether or not Herman Cain is the candidate or not, I detest this ORCHESTRATED smear campaign against him.
Old Salt, I voted for McCain/Palin in 2008. I left the Democratic party after their sexist attacks on Hillary and after I saw that they were wiling to nominate a man in Obama who I feel is a huge anti-semite. You can blame me for putting in office Bill Clinton, but not Obama.
Read PJ media dot com and see what they have come up with on Cain. Not pretty. But again, just go with how he’s botched recent policy questions and you can see he’s not ready from prime time even without all this mess.
Ignore everything on the scandal about Cain and look at what he’s said on policy:
1) Doesn’t know about the right of return that Palestinians want.
2) Doesn’t know if he will negotiate with terrorists and will release prisoners in gitmo.
3) Can’t state clearly if China has nukes.
4) Is against abortion personally, but says twice on CNN and Fox that he won’t stop abortions as President.
5) Can’t answer in the debate against Newt if he wants a defined benefit or not with medicare and asks Newt to answer the question.
6) Can’t answer in the debate with Newt if funds taxpayers give for social security should be put in a lockbox that can’t be touched, but asks New to answer the question.
These are basic questions people learn about in high school civics class, not difficult questions folks. The Democrats said Palin was stupid when she knew the answers to questions like this.
Clearly once again we are expected to believe that UP is DOWN,and LEFT is right. I would guess the MMMMSSSS. “ALLREADY” has convinced everybody just by her saying he is guilty. Hey MMMMSSSSS.ALLRED ……….SHOW US THE CONVICTION DOCUMENTATION.Cain would certainly have been arrested if he done all that you imply he did. Otherwise you need to SHUT THE HELL UP, MORON. Until he is convicted in a court of law even in California he is innocent. We all know that in the LOONEY TOONEY California left UP IS DOWN. What else is new? I think MMMMSSSS ALLRED is a relative of DIANE FEINSTEIN…..two peas in the same pod.
Tina | November 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
If these stories are false on the part of the women and you believe people are just doing it to say something false about Cain, why don’t we see women coming forward about Ron Paul or Rick Santorum or Jon Huntsman. Why haven’t men made false statements against Michelle Bachmann? Some of these folks have made statements on penalty of perjury against Cain.
Tina, you ought to be able to answer your own questions. Those candidates are no threat to the establishment. Cain is rising and has raised at least 2 million in just the last week. He is a terrible threat to the Dems because he is a conservative black. The others, except Romney, are no threat at all.
Furthermore, Gloria Allred is a very active Democrat and has everything to gain (publicity mostly) by representing this bimbo. I don’t trust her word regardless of how many people have signed sworn affidavits. People are lying all of the time. It is her word against his. There is no proof. Look for more of the same, because the attacks are going to be relentless.
You’re wrong, oldsalt. Women don’t like to see women treated like this. Some women don’t come forward because they are the ones called prostitutes, etc. It is very hard for women to come forward. It effects their careers. Between the ill advised smoking ad, the inability to answer multiple simple questions clearly on policy, and multiple people saying Cain was involved in inappropriate behavior and worse, one has to ask what is so remarkable about Cain that the GOP would want him as the nominee when we have several good potential candidates?
Now you are saying it right. Judge the presidential candidate by your perception of his ability to administer the office of POTUS
There are several good candidates that should be given another look. I believe they are Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich. I personally think Romney is very smart, debates well and is the most electable, but I’m willing to consider others too. No one is perfect. Perry can’t hold his own in a debate which I think is a fatal flaw for him as a candidate. Huntsman joined forces with Obama which is a fatal flaw for me, and he is an isolationist. I’ve said enough on Ron Paul as to why I am totally against him with his weird foreign policy views. Cain, I’ve said enough on. In my opinion, Cain isn’t the best person we can put forward and isn’t prepared, even though, he’s personally very likeable. But there are others.
You see it is a case in a court of law that you must prove beyond any reasonable doubt the guilt of the accused. If you cannot prove it then you must accept the idea that the accused is innocent of the charges against him/her. This was a major factor in the reason why Casey Anthony was acquitted. ALLEGEDLY……NO PROOF.
That’s totally untrue oldsalt. The women are not taking Cain to court. They are not pressing charges in court. What you are looking at is the credibility of their charges. If it were one person, I’d be suspect, but there is a male who says he saw bad behavior and multiple women saying multiple things. PJmedia has even worse charges and they are a Republican site, not a democratic one.There are people who have made signed statements on penalty of perjury. Cain can sue those people if they have perjured themselves, but of course he won’t. If Cain knew all the policy or if he came out and said he’s sorry, I’d move forward, but he’s very weak on policy as I’ve stated above so I don’t see him as the best candidate even though I had hoped he could take away the race card from OB at one point.
Is the accuser of Cain is willing to take her allegations into a CIVIL COURT ACTION? She allegedly signed statements that he done these things. If this is the case then the next step will be for MMMMSSSSS. ALLRED to file a complaint in California, at which point she along with the BIMBO are both out on a very brittle limb. Remember the accuswed is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT.
If MMMMSSSS ALLRED cannot prove her case then she along with her alleged client will become Cain’s financiers via his own civil court action. If they cannot prove their case Cain will win BIG TIME against them. The sooner they start the better.
One woman is saying Cain and she went to bed, but she’s married and doesn’t want to be dragged through it. She’s one person, but there are others. Again, Cain could shut this all down if he says okay, I was wrong, and I am sorry, but now someone is lying and if this continues it will be about the lying. I doubt this is the end as the media wants Cain taken out of this race. I’m very aware of that and I’m sorry he has put himself in this position.
The accuser has chosen to question Cain’s credability so what is good for the goose is definitely good for the gander. It is all designed to discredit Cain whether it is lies, or the truth. If they are truly in pain from his adventurous advances then they need to go to court, and PROVE their allegations otherwise they need to simply SHUT UP. Credability is what it IS ALL ABOUT! Let the people put their money where their mouth is. In court.
Well now it’s the court of public opinion, old salt, I’m afraid. And Cain has put himself in this position which is too bad because Obama’s poll numbers are going up while all this is going on. Cain should just step aside, or take a few days off, but he goes on all these shows and makes a fool of himself because he’s not prepared. The slightly good news is that Iowa and New Hampshire require that candidates talk to them one on one. People there will be able to look Cain in the eye and see if he’s bluffing or not. They vote first. Let’s see what they decide and let’s see what happens in the days ahead. I don’t think this is the end of it.
One other thing….McCain and the GOP gave us Obama because they refused to dig into the past of Obama as the Democrats do with GOP candidates. Obama said they are going to smear Romney with all sorts of stuff. I hope the GOP is listening. I hope.
Until Cain is OFFICIALLY CHARGED OF WRONG DOING he is INNOCENT. Fortunately he isn’t in the court that you seem to be the judge of, nor does he under any circumstances have to admit to something that he allegedly hasn,t done. This is perhaps in your way of thinking Cain should be called guilty,without the right to a trial. This sort of reasoning displays the fact that you have already convicted Cainin your mind and no matter what capability he might possess now means nothing …..obviously your agenda is for the purpose of squelching Cain, without a FAIR TRIAL. Are you willing to admit to having a Democratic agenda against Cain. If the answer is no then at least you should see fairness in allowing Cain a TRIAL as well.
You talk about the court of public opinion, yet you have already convicted Cain without even so much as a trial. At least in the court of public opinion he will have his day in court if he chooses. No Tina we already know what you are trying to do, but like ALL DEMOCRATS you are so disconnnected with reality that you cannot think in any other terms than your own.
………….but then we all have our own agendas, don’t we.
Nighty Night all…………it has been a really interesting session. Time for me to snore,for a little while. Back later.
I don’t believe what I just read. Tina says the she “TAUGHT SEXUAL HARRASSMENT” to EXECUTIVES. This sounds as though she might have some stuff to hide. Lets investigate her. Will she cooperate?
BYE BYE for sure this time…….couldn’t pass that one up.
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I have not had the time to post here readily of late. I am wondering who the new – at least to me – prolific posters are.
I do not believe one word of the latest bimbo. If you are a serial sexual abuser, you have done it your entire life – not the small window of time the accusations against Cain seem to be coming from. Interesting it was from the time he was working for a government entity.
The MSM refuses to investigate Democrats. That is why we are suffering Obummer.
the Cain accuser is BSing, what she described is physically impossible to do in a car (how do i know, it tried it once, not twice). You can not sit down in a car and try to put your hand up someone’s dress and then push their head to your private area. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE. More problems with the story:
– they were at hotel, with her boyfriend (the story got changed by politico, it got scrubbed), so where was her boyfriend?
– they were at a bar, with her boyfriend, and Cain?
– they were eating dinner (at hotel? at the bar?), with her boyfriend, and Cain?
– they were then going to offices , she supposedly worked at , to look at them ? Why? that is silly, why would anyone want to go to office, going back to the hotel made more sense, and somehow a car pops out of no where.
– the biggest fake of the story is that Cain had nothing at all to do with employment at NRA.
this story is BS
it just doesn’t add up, especially sentence #1
Daverg………………You noticed that too hugh . She looks like a CHEAPIE to me. Say anything for $20 dollars. I sort of rank MMMMSSSS.ALLRED as a relative to Diane Feinstein…….two PEES in the same pod. Boy are the LIBS getting desparate. Think its bad now wait until they have their heads handed to them in 2012. The more they try to do now the worse will be their defeat. People have had their fill of these NITWITS. That includes Soetoro.