Obama Pravda article, Obama The Narcissist Liar and Con-man, Birth certificate con

Obama Pravda article, Obama The Narcissist Liar and Con-man, Birth certificate con

I received the following email from Dr. Sam a short while ago.

“This morning I received this note from the Editor of the USA edition of Pravda.  Many of you will remember Pravda as the leading newspaper of the Soviet Union and an official organ of the Communist Party.   Since the collapse of the USSR Pravda has become an independent world wide publication known for exposing the problems inside Russia and causing Russian leaders to be uncomfortable.  They also cover political news from around the world. 
 
This morning I received this note from the USA Editor of Pravda.  The eligibility issue is finally going to get the international attention it needs.
 
Dear Sam,
Thank you very much for writing.
We are going to publish your article, but since it is a very lengthy one, it will appear on Pravda English in several parts. If the article proves to be successful, we will post it all the parts of it. The article will be signed as Sam Sewell, USA – please let me know if it’s acceptable.
The first part will appear on the main page in Opinion section, please check back to see it and read people’s comments.
Kind regards,
Dmitry Sudakov
Pravda.Ru English editor”

From Pravda:

 
“1. Oh what a tangled web we weave…
It isn’t hard to imagine the gnawing anxiety that AKA OBAMA lives with, day in and day out. Much has been written about AKA OBAMA’s behavior that reminds mental health experts and others of NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder.) A frequent manifestation of such a disorder is The Narcissist, as Liar and Con-man.
This disorder is frequently misunderstood as “self-love.” A more accurate understanding is love of a reflection of one’s self. Abused, abandoned and neglected children will compensate for damaged egos by creating an ideal reflection of themselves that they then embellish and vigorously defend. A person with NPD is quite capable of a mind twisting position like, “I have nothing to hide, but I am hiding things anyway.” AKA OBAMA certainly fits the model of having such a childhood. While I am not in the position to deliver an official In Absentia diagnosis of a full strength NPD case, many of the indicators are present.

If AKA OBAMA were not in a position of public trust, most of us would probably overlook such deception and secrecy. For those of us who care about our Constitution and the rule of law, the issue becomes clear in this article that appeared in on-line Pravda by international columnist Mark S. McGrew, The Mysterious Shadow: Code Name Obama. Most Americans do not want their president to be secretive about his past. However, if one is living a lie to preserve the ego compensating, idealized reflection of self, one will go to great lengths to hide things that most would routinely reveal.

 
For the person who has NPD tendencies, the lies used to create the reflection become so numerous that eventually the man in the mirror cracks, and so does the real human being hiding behind the reflection.

A useful tool in evaluating things that are not known with certainty is Occam’s razor. When multiple competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam’s razor is usually understood. I condense this to the simple question: what is most likely? In our discussion of the documents which AKA has hidden, most of this article is an examination of which explanation is most likely.

For example, which is most likely;
(a) AKA OBAMA is hiding documents that are innocuous?
(b) AKA OBAMA is hiding documents that are damaging?

What we know with certainty is that AKA OBAMA is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure. ” The biggest question, and the biggest reason for asking more questions, is the fact Obama has enlisted law firms across the nation to battle every attempt to access, among other documents, his birth, schooling, immigration or passport records.” New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo

There are so many potential sources that can end AKA OBAMA’s Presidency that it is impossible to keep them all quiet. It’s just a matter of time. As columnist Davvy Kidd says, IMPOSTOR PRESIDENT OBAMA: VICTORY WILL BE SHORT LIVED. First, let’s think of all the lawyers and support staff involved in keeping the birth certificate issue quiet. Isn’t it likely that some of them know what they are hiding? Isn’t it likely that several people at the Hawaiian Department of Public Health know what is, or is not, on the original birth certificate that AKA OBAMA refuses to release? Did you know that there is a one million dollar reward offered for AKA OBAMA’s Hawaiian birth certificate?

2. Please get this straight:

Hawaiian officials have not validated AKA OBAMA’s place of birth. What they have said is that they “have the original document” on file. They haven’t offered a clue as to what information is in that document nor have they said what kind of birth certificate is on file; a conventional birth certificate issued by a hospital with a doctor’s signature or the kind of birth certificate issued by Hawaii on the basis of an affidavit? The Hawaiian officials are not part of a cover-up. They can not legally validate what is on that document without a court order or permission from “our” Chicago con-man. Recently a Hawaiian government official stepped over the legal line and overtly stated that AKA Obama’s “vital records” showed that he was born in Hawaii. It is entirely possible for the “vital records” of Hawaii to show than a person was born in Hawaii when in fact that person could have been born elsewhere.”

Read more:

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/16-09-2010/114949-obama_fans_OMG-1/

180 responses to “Obama Pravda article, Obama The Narcissist Liar and Con-man, Birth certificate con

  1. Thank U, CW!

    I am sending the Pravda Article to everyone on my email list. I urge all Patriots to do the same.

  2. bo’s DHS seizing Scientist’s research of the bo/bp corexit/oil Disaster

  3. Actually, as I understand it, the article has one point wrong.

    It says the hawaii doh can’t give out his bc w/o obama ok’ing it.

    The research of butterdezillion and others has found that that the hawaii doh could have given out the bc w/o obama’s permission to a sec of state before the election in 08 if the sec of state was trying to verify obama’s eligibility. The hawaii doh told everyone they could not give it out w/o obama’s ok and they HID the relevant rules and procedures that said they could. They would not give out the rules and procedures. Now that the election is over, we see the rules and procedural laws would have allowed them to give it out.

    Just more very damning evidence.

  4. A big THANK YOU to Pravda.

    Isn’t it ironic that our truth in news now comes from a Russian newspaper
    noted for it’s UNtruthfullness during the Communist years of that government.

    Seems like the America and Russia news sources have just exchanged their positions on telling the truth.

    Everyone should read the PRAVDA and leave a thank you for this article. More to come from them on this issue.

  5. SO WHO IS GOING TO CALL THE EMPEROR NAKED

    The wolves are getting closer to him as he backs into a corner. The problem is The FBI, CIA, all of Congress, the Senate, and I guess–60% of the American public already know he is NOT ELIGIBLE. What our judicial system has done in the face our America’s attempt to bring it before judges is DENY, SUPPRESS, PROTECT, AND DISMISS ALL OUR LEGAL RECOURSE VIA A CHEAP TRICK CALLED THE NAME OF STANDING. Now a corrupt of very frightened judge LIND has entered the cesspool of judicial violation of our laws, traditions and constitution and has attempted to make the single most HONORABLE INNOCENT MAN IN AMERICA LOOK GUILTY.

    America through its brave private attorneys whose names all of you on this site know has been fighting this issue almost single handedly. They have been beaten back by whore judges, slut media and trusted news channels live Fox. Bill O’Slyly, Ann Coulter, Glen Beck, and others have all– at one time or another– supported Barry and claimed they believed he was born in Hawaii. O’SlyLY went so far as to claim he saw the documents and he is convinced Sotoero was born in Hawaii. The documents he claimed to have see were the birth announcements in the Hawaiian news papers. (Duh!) The candidates running for office this November refuse to even mention the eligibility issue. If they don’t have the guts to challenge him at this level, you truly don’t believe they will acquire the guts after they take office?

    Arizona which is being harassed by this regime should be throwing his eligibility right in his taqiya face ignores its greatest defense. Jan Brewer and Joe Arpaia should be all over this issue. Imagine an illegal alien usurper president harassing Arizona for legally following the laws. This is the height of insanity. All they do is remain silent?

    The Tea Party people chose to avoid the issue when they first began to group out of fear of being ridiculed. They still get ridiculed. Fearless Dr. Taitz has been sanctioned for doing the right thing and now has that added burden to fight.

    With barriers of protection almost as big as the great wall of China, what and how can we do to crack the “shield.” Free Speech continually promotes CGJs. Yet to date, not one indictment has been officially filed against this shameless laughing in our face criminal.

    We and they all know that if and when somewhere, some how, this country grows back its stones, the indictments and charges do come forward–IT WILL NOT JUST BE OBAMA. THERE WILL BE THOUSANDS ARRESTED AND TRIED WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS TRAVESTY AND BETRAYAL OF AMERICA. Let’s include in the list, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, the entire electoral college, most of Congress and the Senate, and his main campaign team for starters!
    SO WHO IS GOING TO CALL THE EMPEROR NAKED?

  6. “No Letter of Verification for HDP or DNC”

    “HDOH Indirectly Confirms Neither HDP nor DNC Received Letter of Verification”

    http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/no-letter-of-verification-for-hdp-or-dnc/

  7. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Psycho Drama of the Day

    I am posting this to help all of us avoid a common human pitfall and to help properly sift through the detritus that often plagues this blog.

    I am enough of a well-read amateur psychologist to know that this is typical. But not being a professional, I don’t know all the in’s and out’s and why’s and wherefore’s. Maybe a real expert (calling Dr. Sam?) can elaborate.

    Did you ever notice that the ones who are most vocal about “recent awakening”, “fog lifted from my eyes”, “tired of being lied to by XYZ”, “determined to not ever be snookered again” –

    How it is these very same people, who quite often, rather than becoming actual FREE THINKERS or HONEST SEEKERS, instead –

    These people may just attach themselves to a DIFFERENT guru and believe themselves relieved and enlightened?

    Just askin’ – – –

  8. Great post usapatriot-shout……I concur with all you have written

    This Old Soldier salutes you….
    and I will be among the first to call the Emperor naked !!!

  9. usapatriots-shout | September 16, 2010 at 2:08 pm |
    SO WHO IS GOING TO CALL THE EMPEROR NAKED

    …very frightened judge LIND has entered the cesspool of judicial violation of our laws, traditions and constitution and has attempted to make the single most HONORABLE INNOCENT MAN IN AMERICA LOOK GUILTY.

    America through its brave private attorneys whose names all of you on this site know has been fighting this issue almost single handedly.

    With barriers of protection almost as big as the great wall of China, what and how can we do to crack the “shield.” Free Speech continually promotes CGJs. Yet to date, not one indictment has been officially filed against this shameless laughing in our face criminal.

    We and they all know that if and when somewhere, some how, this country grows back its stones, the indictments and charges do come forward–IT WILL NOT JUST BE OBAMA. THERE WILL BE THOUSANDS ARRESTED AND TRIED WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS TRAVESTY AND BETRAYAL OF AMERICA.

    =================================================

    AMEN!

  10. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    usapatriots-shout | September 16, 2010 at 2:08 pm |

    ===================================

    Yes – good essay and good question.

    I am stilling holding to my official position that Judge Lind (is that her name?) of Lakin Trial fame, may have dealt a fatal blow to all flavors of Birthers.

    But yes there are still some small glimmers of light and methinks I catch a whiff of fire and brimstone. So, maybe some sort of resolution is indeed near.

    But then the immediate next question is how to make him go away. And before some numbnuts says “He has to go, it’s the law” – consider the comedy of that statement. YES! IT IS POSSIBLE TO VIOLATE THE LAW, Zero does it every day. And if you persist down that path, I will tell you things that will freeze your naive little heart to the core.

    Perhaps it is an urban legend that anybody (Muchelle, for instance?) ever actually said this: “Once elected they cannot evict us”, – but the fact remains that more truth is in that statement than many here realize or want to admit.

    If the “occupier of the White House” does not want to go, it will be damnably difficult to get him out. Removing a president requires that said president have enough respect for the law to comply.

  11. Banks take over record number of homes in August

    …a record 1.2 million repossessions this year, up from just under 1 million last year, with more than 3.2 million homes in some stage of foreclosure.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68F0JY20100916

    Poverty Rate Rose Sharply in 2009, Says Census Bureau

    Forty-four million people in the United States, or one in seven residents, lived in poverty in 2009, an increase of 4 million from the year before…The poverty rate climbed to 14.3 percent — the highest level since 1994.
    http://tinyurl.com/39ssvvs

  12. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 16, 2010 at 3:04 pm |

    IT WILL NOT JUST BE OBAMA. THERE WILL BE THOUSANDS ARRESTED AND TRIED WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS TRAVESTY AND BETRAYAL OF AMERICA.

    ==================================

    This is God’s truth. There are hundreds of DIRECT betrayers, if not thousands. Of accomplices – even in a strict legal sense – there are almost uncountable numbers. Not to forget AT LEAST the top several entire layers of Military Hierarchy.

    But – alas, this is not good news. This clearly puts the “too big to fail” scenario into play. If General Motors or Goldman Sachs are too big to fail – together they are peanuts and mosquitoes compared to this. SIGH.

  13. CC…..the bigger they are…the harder they fall

    No one is too BIG to fall

  14. In response to citizen carlyle/bo’s post: “Removing a president requires that said president have enough respect for the law to comply,”

    We the People don’t need bo’s permission to INDICT and CONVICT him.

    Once SCOTUS orders bo’s arrest, then the Secret Service and Federal Marshalls will simply handcuff and shackle bo and remove him to an undisclosed PRISON.

  15. RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 3:24 pm |
    CC….
    No one is too BIG to fall
    ======================= ================

    cc bo’s “too big to fall” theory is based on the obot DELUSION that the so-called PTBs will not turn on bo. Earth to cc bo, the REALITY is that nobody, including mo, is going to stand by that WORTHLESS MISCREANT when they have to choose between saving themselves or saving bo.

    The cowardly criminals who have heretofore supported bo will turn States evidence on him in a heartbeat. That’s what cowardly criminals do. They rat out their co-conspirators to save their own butts.

    Does anyone think pelosi, reid & biden are going to risk going to prison to save bo? Give me a break!

  16. I left a few remarks on the last post CC if you wish to carry over.

  17. New Defense Strategy for Lt Col Lakin – http://thejaghunter.wordpress.com/

    Hope everyone takes the time to read this and forward it on.

  18. Free Speech, you say (3:25 PM), “Once SCOTUS orders bo’s arrest, then the Secret Service and Federal Marshalls will simply handcuff and shackle bo and remove him to an undisclosed PRISON.”
    **********************************
    Last evening I heard Larry King interview Justice Breyer, who has written a book. After hearing him answer questions by Larry (I know he is liberal, but contrary to some, I like to hear what they are saying and can sort it out), I feel more than ever that the Supremes don’t intend to touch this one. I HOPE I AM WRONG!

    Of course, nothing was said about the eligibility question, but Justice Breyer did comment on how stressful, etc. the 2000 election issue was (Bush vs. Gore). That would be the proverbial piece of cake compared to the far-reaching implications of SCOTUS orders to arrest
    Ø and then have him “handcuffed and shackled” and removed. Somehow, I don’t think it’s going to happen like that……That’s just me. (and I am NOT an obot, or the relative of an obot)

  19. Citizen Carlyle FUBO
    ………………in which case he is PHYSICALLY REMOVED KICKING AND SCREAMING THOUGH IT MAY BE, BY THE SAME MPs that guard his airplanes,ETC. The local yokul sherriff could do it also but I sort of doubt that any of the DC law enforcement have the seeds to carry out the actual physical removal should that become necessary. In reality he would have to be totally out of his mind to defy a court, or military order for him and his family to vacate the WH. As I said when push comes to shove it will probably be the work of the Military Police that ends the Soetoro occupation of the WH.

  20. Congratulations, Sam, job very well done and exceptional article.

    Like others, I find great irony in Russia’s Pravda being willing to post your article but none of the msm here in America will touch it.

    Btw, I hope of those thousands of treasonous traitors who we all pray will be held accountable for crimes against our homeland include the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, Chris Matthews, NYT, the Post and so many others. And don’t hold out a lot of hope for countless others like Chertoff, Rove, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Clinton’s and more all have dual citizenships with countries that do not extradite. Bushie’s for example bought a sweet piece of land in Paraguay, right on top of a fresh water aquafer. Shweet! The compound is being built now and it’s for the whole family.

  21. AZ-legal citizen

    Al-Qaeda on Capitol Hill: Congressional Muslim Staffers Association Embraces Islamic Radicals and Terrorists…

    Immediately after 9/11, the Congressional Muslim Staffers Association began holding Friday afternoon prayer services on Capitol Hill. Who did they choose to lead them in their prayers? Al-Qaeda sheikh Anwar al-Aulaqi, who is currently subject to a kill or capture order issued by President Obama. In fact, video of Aulaqi preaching to the CMSA was included in the 2002 documentary, “Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet.” That video clip is available to view by the Investigative Project on Terrorism.

    http://bigpeace.com/pspoole/2010/09/16/al-qaeda-on-capitol-hill-congressional-muslim-staffers-association-embraces-islamic-radicals-and-terrorists/

  22. Cabby AZ…………………………………………………….
    ……………in which case the SCOTUS becomes involved in the perpetration of fraud against the US as well as all of the treasonous acts by all of the lower court judges.

  23. My 2 most respected individuals online,

    OldSalt and Cabby Arz,

    No offence intended for others that I deeply respect as well. I cannot list them all.

  24. I should have said in this blog. OldSalt and Cabby.

    Outside this blog, is highly different. Commander Charles Kerchner, Mario Apuzzo, LTC Lakin, Capt Pam Barrnet, and many more, and to include all of all U.S. Military troops that have lost their lives, for us, is without doubt, the most heroic and absolute reason of respect of our Country.

  25. And I’m thinking Indonesia won’t honor 0’s citizenship and Kenya, yeah, they’d welcome him home. Wonder how Michelle will like living in Africa?

    Sir William – outstanding work, Sir. Your keen observations regarding the FOIA information recv’d from State is a real eyeopener. In fact, many of us believe the nativity treasure hunt for 0’s birth certificate was an intentional and deliberate diversion to take our eyes off of State, the break-in by Brennan’s team to scrub Obama’s Passport information, Quarels execution, and lastly, Obama’s CIA activities.

    A wholehearted thank you to you, Sir for not falling for the diversion.

  26. Sir William……………………………..
    Thanx for the flowers. I appreciate your candor equally. However it is the sum total of the input of EVERYBODY that renders the final truths, which we are forced to PRY away from the criminal in the WH,and/or his GOON SQUAD. Often it is what they DON”T SAY that trells the truth. Often it is when Gordo,or GIANNI, or Free Speech,or Helen,or Patriots shout,or Daverg,or Cabby,or ARMY DAV, Michelle or yourself,or anyone who I might have left out who put forth the effort to comment on the blog. It is the COMBINATION of all of these viewpoints from which we can extract a true heading,and find ourselves enlightened just as have ALL of the bloggers have who have visited this site have done in the past. But I have to add that if it wasn’t for the efforts of CW to begin with we would have NOTHING.

  27. By the way I forgot to include ZACHJONESISHOME. He too is an important part of the CW blog.

  28. Bill G | September 16, 2010 at 3:59 pm |
    CC, you continue to dissemble, misrepresent, attack and ridicule. At least you are consistent. Such blogging tactics remind me of Don Segretti of Watergate fame and the “Ratf***ing” directed at the Dems from the Nixon White House. We are resolute and such tactics continue to fail to hold back the rising tide of Patriotism that will restore our land. Col West will be one of our leaders in so doing. PC pundits and MSM will be left in our wake.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well Said, Bill G!

  29. Thanks, Helen, for posting:
    New Defense Strategy for Lt Col Lakin – http://thejaghunter.wordpress.com/
    Hope everyone takes the time to read this and forward it on.
    ****************************************
    These White Papers are very good, imho. I’ve been saying for some time that because the request for discovery was wrongfully denied by Judge Lind, another more proactive approach should be taken by Lt Col Lakin. Instead of asking for proof of Ø’s birthplace, the defense should affirmatively assert that Lakin is disobeying orders because he BELIEVES Ø to be ineligible under the NBC requirement.

    The defense then can put on a case in support of Vattel’s Law of Nations interpretation. Now we have the ball thrown back into Lind’s lap. Because there is controversy among good constitutional scholars as to the veracity of the use of Vattel to support the NBC , then SCOTUS would have to make the final decision . How do we think SCOTUS would decide? To me, it would be “up for grabs”, sad to say.

    Here is a quote from White Paper 2 that presses the issue most succinctly for me:
    “Whether LTC Lakin is found guilty or not guilty in his courts-martial, our nation is in a full scale national security crisis. This cannot be avoided by simply brushing the Lakin situation under the carpet as if the legitimacy of this administration has not been properly and repeatedly challenged.”

  30. I miss those who have left the blog. their views were important. To me we are a bit like a family after a time,and we get to know what this person or that person will say in response to a specific notion, or idea that is put before them. Sometimes we speak in a cliche sort of view,sometimes angered,sometimes not accurately.But at least we have learned somewthing .There isn’t a day that passes that I don’t see or read something that contradicts,something which I thought I already knew the truth of. I try to get on as much as I can but Ihave a couple of health issues that have become more of a problem lately.

  31. Sir Williams – Thanks for the accolades, but it is YOU, faithful one, who is grabbing the “tiger by the tail” and marching onward (among others here, too). Thank you for all that you are doing not only visibly, but behind the scenes.

    My sentiments parallel those of Old Salt who says:
    ” It is the COMBINATION of all of these viewpoints from which we can extract a true heading,and find ourselves enlightened just as have ALL of the bloggers have who have visited this site have done in the past. But I have to add that if it wasn’t for the efforts of CW to begin with we would have NOTHING.” AMEN to that.

    I personally love being challenged by Citizen Carlyle (and others, too), because he stirs up our brain cells and passions, as well. We may get a little hackle from time to time, but that is healthy, too. It makes us re-question our own viewpoints and enlarges our scope. Cheers to all!!

  32. In reality he would have to be totally out of his mind…

    Uh…Hello??? That is soooo funny..
    Happy Christian Day!

  33. In my response a few minutes ago I inadvertently left out one commentor who I also respect and admire . Our backgrounds are militarily quite similar as well.. The person I am speaking of is RM in NC. He possesses the special insight that we need when we discuss the UCMJ, and of course the phights of Commander Kerchner,and Colonel Lakin. But I do not hesitate to speak of Alan West,,and all of the other retired or active military personell who have found themselves in conflict with the alleged CINC. Notice I said (ALLEGED). I have forgotten NONE of them. We are a BAND OF BROTHERS.

  34. Did anyone watch the Chief Justice Breyer on Larry King last night. He told an old lawyers joke that should make us all aware of what we are up agains. It went something like this – ” Lawyer A gave his case and the Judge said “You are absolutely right” and the Lawyer B gave his argument and the Judge said “You are absolutely right”. Lawyer A says “Excuse me judge but only one of us can be right and the Judge said “You are absolutely right!!”
    Do you get my drift?

  35. Too sick and scared of Obama’s thugs: Australian SBS reports Gulf truth
    A sixty-six year old Louisiana grandmother, an environmental scientist, has threatened the American petrochemical-military-industrial-complex (PMIC) by collecting approximately 600 testimonies from Southerners stricken ill since the Gulf Operation overtly began April 20th, too afraid to speak out publicly due to hired black operatives intimidating locals, even threatening their lives as detailed in Australia’s Special Broadcast Service (SBS) Dateline News report, but not American news reports

    http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/sick-too-scared-of-gulf-op-thugs-to-speak-out

    “So, here is a stack that I record all of the complaints that come in but I can’t show you information on the complaints because I’m protecting the identity of the people who called in the complaints because they are very scared of repercussions…”

  36. Citizen Carlyle – I left a post re. Jack Cashill’s article on the thread – 4th floor below this one – at 12:21 AM – in case you caught the escalator later in the day.
    We are moving so fast – This was just early this morning. Ha!

  37. Helen – 4:04 PM
    You say, “….In fact, many of us believe the nativity treasure hunt for 0′s birth certificate was an intentional and deliberate diversion to take our eyes off of State, the break-in by Brennan’s team to scrub Obama’s Passport information….”
    **************************************
    That I believe to be true – absolutely! Anyone with any sense at all in the Obama administration would know that the crazy COLB would be questioned, thus perpetuating and attracting more and more interest in the birth certificate, thus DETRACTING us from the real crux of the matter. One has to think like a crook, magician, or something, in order to play their game.

  38. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Some of you people are psychotically NAIVE! Just what tough guy is going to arrest Zero? You know nothing of real life.

    In our zeal to protect ourselves under all conditions, we have given the American President UNLIMITED TYRANNICAL power. Didn’t you read ANY of our discussion the other day about Continuity of Government?

    Under normal circumstances, we are supposed to be operating under the constitution, but even the dullest among you has lately come to understand that a majority of the Federal Government is unconsitutional and has been for a hundred years or more!

    But back to the point. How do these awesome powers kick in? WHEN THE PRESIDENT DECIDES TO DO SO. What keeps him from having already done it? Or any past presidents? The assumption is that the American People will elect someone with at least three fundamental characteristics: 1) They are “human”, as opposed to inhuman like, say, Hitler or Pol Pot; 2) They are sane, as opposed to, say, Ah-mayonaise-nutjob; and 3) They are above all American.

    Every president before has basically met all 3 qualifications, so there is less cause for worry. But for Zero, we know with almost certainty that he is not American, and even if by some squeaker it technically is, he is not American in any ideological or philosophical or religious sense. Most of us have learned over the last two years that he is quite probably insane. And I would dare say that many of us are beginning to question his humanity in the sense here used – look what he and his cousin did to all those churches in Kenya, for instance.

    Now, all he has to do is whisper ONE SIMPLE SENTENCE into the ear of ANYBODY who comes to “get him”. That person will immediately stand down, slowly duck shuffle backwards to the door, salute him and leave.

    You people seem to have NO IDEA of the POWER – not legal power – but pure raw Pharoah power that we have given to Zero. You would have to be UnAmerican, mad, and inhuman to use it. But – – –

    THINK, PEOPLE!

  39. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Sometimes you people make me grab my head, scream, and roll around on the floor in agony.

    Do you think this is some polite little suburban country club where everything works like a garden party? THIS IS WAR!

    One would think that at least the Military People would “get it”.

    GGGAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH

  40. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)
    As much as some of you hate Zero -
    As much as you think Zero is EVIL -
    He has THE POWER to stay in
    office as long as he likes.
    
    Do you trust him not to use it?
    
  41. ms. helga | September 16, 2010 at 4:46 pm |
    Did anyone watch the Chief Justice Breyer on Larry King last night.
    *********************************
    ms. helga – I missed the part you referred to, but as I was reading your post there was a chuckle inside, because often when there are two lawyers on TV debating an issue this thought runs through my head: Yes, lawyer A is “pro” and lawyer B is “con” on this issue. However, the real truth is that they could be asked probably on the spur of the moment to exchange sides and you would see each capably argue the opposite viewpoint. It all goes along with the turf of the practice of law?

  42. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 3:24 pm |
    CC….
    No one is too BIG to fall

    ============================

    Who made YOU god? That statement borders on the moronic. What you think or what I think is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. Such a decision is made by The Decision Makers. They already have a precedent of using this reasoning on smaller things. Why in the name of all that’s holy would they not use it on something even bigger.

    Isn’t there like a mathematical theorem:
    If A is bigger than B and B is bigger than C, the A is bigger than C.

    COMMON PEOPLE — COMMON SENSE ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

    You’ve all gotten so worked up over your little petty schemes that you have lost all sense of critical thought!

    Oh, yea, go gather a bunch of random disgruntled people and have a CGJ – that oughta do it! PUH-LEEEEZE!

  43. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    I like the people here who are willing to learn – and share USEFUL ideas – and understand we are at war, and not a garden party – with teacups and their little fingers all prissy.

    The others, not so much.

    I won’t name names, but you know who you are.

  44. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 16, 2010 at 5:13 pm |
    As much as some of you hate Zero –
    As much as you think Zero is EVIL –
    He has THE POWER to stay in
    office as long as he likes.

    Do you trust him not to use it?
    ****************************
    You know basically I agree with you. Let’s just pray that THE HEAT IS TURNED UP SO HIGH ON OBAMA, THAT HE WILL DECIDE THAT HE’S HAD ENOUGH, WANTS out, out, OUT!!! That is our best, most realistic hope. But the pressure is going to have to be unbearable and it’s going to have to come from all quarters. Didn’t someone throw out the possibility that this is all laying the groundwork for Hillary in 2012? THAT IS REALLY SCARY.

  45. Bushie’s for example bought a sweet piece of land in Paraguay, right on top of a fresh water aquafer. Shweet! The compound is being built now and it’s for the whole family.

    I’ve stated this so many times..my theory again…..why bother about pooping in your own nest when you know you’re not staying!!
    Muslim’s Sharia law??
    Illegal Mexicans/drug cartel and others coming across the unguarded border?
    Extremist Islamic terrorists?
    Dictator in the WH?
    Unconstitutional laws?
    Capitalism destroyed with one-sided foreign trade policies?
    Death by healthcare?
    Nationalization of industry/businesses/banks?
    Amnesty for 12 million?
    Political correctness for all religions, but christians?
    (I didn’t list militarized spraying of chemtrails and the BP disaster; that will follow them wherever they make their nest)

    Care to add to the list destroying our nation?

  46. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby just above – yes, you understand. The bigger he gets, not “the harder he falls”, but the “more entrenched”. It is still possible that he may go gracefully under the right circumstances.

    But if we do not understand the level of power he has, when he might use it, how he might use it – it seems certain that we will fail. Every day I get more frightened at what he might do. Almost daily he does something “even worse” than before. The pile of EVIL grows. EVIL is like an atom bomb in many ways. Enough of it can reach critical mass and then all hell breaks loose.

    And yes, I did see all your posts and many other nice things downstairs. For all of you that respond with helpful and useful things, thank you.

    For those who respond with manure – I guess I thank you for that also – it feeds my flowers.

  47. OldSalt – what kind and generous words you speak. Like you, my sole goal these days is to learn and I do this by opening my mind to all viewpoints no matter the topic. I’ve grown weary of well intentioned patriots who believe they are the only one’s who can solve this constitutional crisis. It is via an open mind, removal of the ego and a collective spirit to get the job done. This mess wasn’t created by one person and it’s certainly not going to be the efforts made by one to solve it.

    Do we disagree with one another from time to time, you betcha, and we should if our knowledge lends expansion to a point made. That is why we who blog, blog, isn’t it? To gain perspectives and understandings from others that enhances and grows our portfolio of learning.

    Like you, I miss the old posters too. The treatment they received was, well, harsh. As an owner of a blog, I can empathize with CW and the management time he must have spent tamping down the more intelligent and passionate posters who blogged regularly. No one wants to read people fighting with one another, that is unless it is a respectful debate…staying focused on the issue rather than turning it to personal. Unfortunately, the personal is where well- intentioned folks go when they are more oriented to who has to be right and who has to be wrong, rather than debating the facts.

    Politic’s and Religion are two areas where most of us have a very difficult time separating the fact from the personal. And given the bloodbath many of us have been through for what seems like an entire lifetime now, it is understandable why folks take statements out of context and turn the debate to personal.

    Honestly, I’m tired of debating points of “fact” with bloggers. It feels to circular to me these days. However, I am more than aware it is in these debates I learn so much, and most importantly, I learn so much about myself. In the end I just want to be effective, factually sound, and a constructive teacher.

    And everyone on this board, as well as those smart and passionate souls who left have effectively been my teachers. I may not agree with all that is written, but for the most part I do.

    What saddens me the most though is our individual lack of willingness to overcome the Federal Corporation’s Board of Director’s teaching’s of division. We need unity more today than we ever have, yet many continue to embrace the ideology of division – good guy/bad guy scenario which has always proven to be a false set up from the start.

    Our homeland is suffering greatly because of the wickedness that has plagued our world politic since 1963. Sure we could go back to 1913 or even the Act of 1871, but what we are faced with today is a true takeover of our liberties. This hasn’t happened by accident but rather by design and by both sides of the Board of Director’s that call themselves Congress.

    We can’t let them win by dividing We the People anymore. Unifying around a collective set of principles and goals will be the only way to end this madness. And I’m ready for unity.

    IMHO, I sincerely believe it is time to take all that we’ve learned together and do something constructive with it. Someone once said, we the blogging community, are the frontlines in this war, therefore, let’s unify and get organized and reach out to educate and teach others what we have learned about this Federal Corporate takeover.

    Leave me a note over at the T-Room if you are interested in working with me to pull together a training module that we can then bring to our churches, synagogues, mosques (don’t say a word), community meetings, the Lions Club, the Ruritan’s, our local senior centers, our veteran’s to name a few.

    It’s time we tell the Board of Directors and the CEO of the Federal Corporation that we the people aren’t going to be divided by them anymore. It’s time to unify.

  48. CC,
    I don’t think o has these powers. I believe we have been under the COG for quite some time. Two pieces of news have worried me today. 1. millitary running drills for mass vaccination. 2. superbug now verified in three states. Are these verified reports? Nope. But wouldn’t it work out nicely for o? For FEMA? Something is too big to fail, but I don’t think the PTB believe it is Obama.

  49. Citizen Carlyle 5:36 PM
    “And yes, I did see all your posts and many other nice things downstairs. For all of you that respond with helpful and useful things, thank you.”

    “For those who respond with manure – I guess I thank you for that also – it feeds my flowers.”
    ***********************************
    You have got to have a bedrock of stability in your character, as well as a sense of humor, in order to maintain your equilibrium here at times. Kudos!
    Now, I’m rewarding several days of hard, deadline work with “South Pacific”on TCM. Ms. Helga, are you watching?

  50. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 16, 2010 at 5:44 pm |

    I don’t think o has these powers.

    ===========================

    That is one of my greatest concerns and contributions here. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts. Depending on my mood, it puzzles me or infuriates me when people try to debate facts.

    This is one of those things. You don’t get to have an opinion. It is a FACT that he has this much power. The opinion part comes in when we debate whether he will use the power and under what circumstances.

    People need to read what I wrote today VERY CAREFULLY. It is chockfull of pregnant meaning. I did not say he would never leave or never be caught. I did say that he will have chosen to not use some of his available power if that happens.

    (Ask nicely and I will give you an example – there are many – of one of the magic sentences. But I prefer you use your own imagination. Then you yourself can teach yourself that I am right, rather than you having to feel like I browbeat you into the truth.)

    So – now – let’s try again.

    How entrenched do you think he is? Do you think he will use his unlimited power for self-preservation? Does his mendacity to-date encourage you to lean one way or another? Do you believe his PILE OF EVIL has already reached critical mass or will in the near future?

  51. Can he win in 2012? Oh – absolutely. Who else campaigns as well as Barack Obama? Nobody. What politician is more loved and supported by the media? Nobody. I don’t see the Republicans offering up a candidate as powerful as Obama. I mean Sarah Palin? Really? Obama would defeat her by a 20 point landslide! Romney? The Republicans will enjoy these midterm elections, but 2012 is Obama’s year if he chooses to run again. As a president, Obama has many flaws, but as a candidate, he is near flawless.

    http://newsflavor.com/opinions/white-house-insider-on-obama-the-president-is-losing-it/

    Whoever this insider is is very ill informed…
    Even the dems are seeing the light…the citizens have learned presidency involves more than campaigning–the media is the last to be trusted with any integrity or honor–the Republicans may not be offering the candidate, the people may–waaaay low on my list is either Palin, or Romney; heck, they weren’t on my list in 2008.

    2012 will never be the fraud’s year….this nation has seen the enemy and it is he.
    This ‘insider’ needs to get out more, away from the D.C. scene, into the real world of unemployed, pension losers, disgruntled teens, and homeschoolers.

  52. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 16, 2010 at 5:44 pm |

    Something is too big to fail, but I don’t think the PTB believe it is Obama.

    =======================================

    You are partly right. I’m pretty sure most of the PTBs don’t like Zero. And that balance is getting worse for Zero. I also agree with FS that at least Roberts and Alito probably hate Zero, maybe even to the mouth foam level.

    But none of that means anybody is going to do anything about it. They ALL have a high level of fear. Fear of many different things. Most of which I have detailed here over the weeks, if people bother to listen.

    The only meaningful question is whether their dislike outweighs their fears. My OPINION is that right now it is not even close. Fear wins hands down.

    Then there is the big issue of what the hell Zero is up to? If his grand plan was to be in office for one term, be as disruptive as he can, and then give all our secrets to his foreign sponsors, then he walks away head held high without any fuss.

    Maybe his grand plan is to stir things up (thereby making HRC “smell” better) and then he bolts to parts unknown.

    Maybe he wants to be dictator of North American Union? Then he stays as long as he wants and threatens (he has lots of potential “offers they can’t refuse” to choose from) Canada and Mexico to join.

    These are also things where opinions can be shared among us all to some value. But debating facts, and playing garden party games – not so much.

  53. Prairie | September 16, 2010 at 5:44 pm |
    You don’t have to respond, but the superbug??
    Is it the one in Northwest eating flesh??
    Curious wants to know!

  54. Just heard on Fox News Barry say he has known Elizabeth Warren since his law school days. Can we get somebody to check her law school records out to see if they were in same classes?

    http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/obamas-plan-for-elizabeth-warren-is-questioned/

  55. 2012 will never be the fraud’s year….this nation has seen the enemy and it is he.
    This ‘insider’ needs to get out more, away from the D.C. scene, into the real world of unemployed, pension losers, disgruntled teens, and homeschoolers.

    I might add, I know what all are thinking…but, do those progressive/socialists really think this nation of hardworking, honest, patriotic, law-abiding citizens will sit by and do nothing if another election is stolen by compromised machines??
    You can answer that one–it’s above my pay-grade.

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  57. Leave me a note over at the T-Room if you are interested in working with me to pull together a training module that we can then bring to our churches, synagogues, mosques (don’t say a word), community meetings, the Lions Club, the Ruritan’s, our local senior centers, our veteran’s to name a few.

    Helen, what a brilliant notion.
    I notice when I spoke of attending the St. Louis Rally at church revival last night, I saw fear? misunderstanding? curiousity?
    Since I can’t say- and those members know, for me to miss church, it would have to be a serious issue- I’m afraid I won’t be reaching my congregation any time soon and that makes me sad.
    I am finding that my church family stays in that comfort zone and I’m not comfortable with that, no pun intended.

  58. Nearly two years into his presidency, 51% of Americans say President Barack Obama bears little to no blame for U.S. economic problems, while 48% assign him a great deal or moderate amount of blame. More Americans now blame Obama than did so a year ago, but a substantially higher percentage, 71%, blame former President George W. Bush.
    http://tinyurl.com/2avu4po

    From that I can only conclude the American electorate is still not awake nor do they have a clue as to what has been and is going on with the destruction of this country.

    The economy began its nose dive when the Dems took control of Congress during Bush’s second term but the media constantly played the story line that the Repubs were running the government. It was a full scale effort to implement the Cloward–Piven strategy backed by a corrupt national media paying lip service to the socialists posing as Democrats.

  59. RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 3:24 pm |
    CC….
    No one is too BIG to fall

    ============================

    Who made YOU god? That statement borders on the moronic. What you think or what I think is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. Such a decision is made by The Decision Makers

    Wait…oh wait here…

    I for one refuse to stop thinking, and if I refuse to accept the Decision Makers agenda, and that makes me moronic, damn, let’s start a club and I’ll be president…but I do have a birth certificate!!!

    RMinNC and other free thinkers, UFO believers, birthers, 9/11 truthers, big foot witnesses; welcome to the Moronic Club Of America!!

    Oh, I know, you’ll say we’re followers of cults to be these…not so…you’d have to be open-minded to even imagine God’s creations aren’t limited to this planet or our perceptions of vision only!

  60. The veteran officials from the CIA, FBI, U.S. military as well as a former Justice Department prosecutor assert that Shariah law—the authoritarian doctrine that inspires Islamists and their jihadism—has created a threat similar to the Soviet communist ideology that aimed to defeat the west and tyrannize the world. They refer to Shariah as the “preeminent totalitarian threat of our time,” in a report (Shariah, The Threat to America) published this week by a nonpartisan group that studies national security.
    http://tinyurl.com/24wukv7

  61. Folks,

    The U.S. State dept released their “excuse” for not providing full disclosure on the FIOA coulpled with my Affidavit, and further excuses thereof.

    CW, I will send to you if ok? Email me and you can post the response.

  62. JJ – 6:18 PM
    You asked about the “superbug”….Here is a link re. recent news:

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/09/14/update-new-drug-resistant-superbugs-states/

  63. Thanks to all that contribute here. There is absolutely no doubt to what I was taught in school. To become President, you had to be born in the U.S. to citizen parents, or if at a time of war, other area’s deemed American Soil. I feel like I live among traitor’s, because I do. Ignoring the wrong, makes you just as guilty. We need the youth to help us. Please ask you children, grand.. neighbors… to ask the teacher’s…… demand truth…. stay safe, God Bless. 🙂

  64. CC….I have to hand it to you mister…..

    You really know how to piss people off…especially me ! When I made the statement to you that “NO ONE WAS TOO BIG TO FALL”….your moronic response was :

    “Who made you god”….when you made that statement, you must have been looking in a mirror. I never assumed to be god, but apparently you think you are. Or in the least, a “know it all”.

    If you studied history at all, you will find a laundry list of BIG, (much bigger than obama) people who have fallen, but you seem to think the ONE is too BIG to FALL. Well he isn’t too big to fall , and time will tell who is right on this issue, you or the majority of people on this site who thinks he can and will fall.

    Your defeatist (lay down the Russians are coming) attitude is what’s wrong with this site. You act like you are the only person here who can think, or has a right to express himself/or herself. When someone disagrees with you it puts your panties in a weggie, and I do believe “thou doth protest to loudly”.

    So get off your high horse mister because you arn’t the grand marshal, or the only rider in this parade.

    I’m almost 75 years old, spent over 27 years of that serving this country. I have seen good and bad presidents come and go. Never have I questioned an order from my CinC because I have known beyond a shadow of doubt that he was a “natural born citizen”. I cannot, nor can you, say the same about the current president.

    I do not claim to have all the answers, as you seem to think you do. I do not try to belittle anyone for their honest disagreements as you do.

    But who ever you are, let me say one thing to you. I do not intend to take any crap from you, nor will I tolerate your attempt to belittle me. If you don’t think I will fire back, you have grossly underestimated this old soldier.

    In my personal opinion, you are nothing but a smart ass jerk with little regard for the people on this site.

  65. RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 7:23 pm | CC….I have to hand it to you mister…..
    Welcome to the Moronic Club of America, RM….I can be president!!

  66. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JJ | September 16, 2010 at 6:52 pm |

    ===============================

    Again, you miss my point entirely. I agree we all need to keep trying and help to invent ways to succeed. I was speaking specifically to people who still naively think that the PTBs (including the USSC) are going to do anything about it.

    And to also “encourage” us to think of ways that might actually work. Think of Al Capone for instance. He was not taken down for his egregious evil, he was taken done over a minor technicality.

    One of my ongoing messages is that we should not anticipate to see Zero hang for the BIG CRIME we wish him to be punished for. We may have to end up satisfied seeing him removed from office for a different reason and treated much more benignly than he deserves.

    If you step back and look at the forest instead of the trees, you will discover a mathematical truth. There are only two different way to take him down – working through the PTBs or working around or against them. I have no opinion about working around them. You and others feel strongly that there may be a way to do that. That is not my expertise or agenda. But God’s speed. Seriously.

    On the other hand I am quite expert about working with and through PTBs. So I give advice on what they are thinking and what they believe. For those who either choose to pursue this angle or are convinced that ALL roads to getting rid of him run through the PTBs somehow, then you better damn well listen up.

    Your little games and huffing and puffing WILL NOT WORK.

    So – you see, I am mostly talking about one thing and you are talking about another thing entirely.

  67. RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 7:23 pm | CC….I have to hand it to you mister…..
    Welcome to the Moronic Club of America, RM….I can be president!!

    Well said, RM, but my view??

    I never argue with idiots…some people may not be able to tell the difference…

  68. Good point JJ….

  69. Oldsalt, SirWilliam, CW, Helen, Cabby AZ, and others;
    I read much on this blog. Research even more. I don’t have the answer to cure what is wrong. What I’m convinced of, is that Obama’s eligibility represents a ‘sentinal event’ or a marker that should tell the public that we have entered very dangerous ground with our relationship with the federal government. I can’t explain exactly why I don’t believe that the Constitutional system can not be ‘rebooted’ so to speak, to a previous time, but I don’t believe it’s possible. I DO firmly believe that the majority of the educated public now realize that Obama was a mistake, although many still can’t admit it openly. Many, like myself are just angry because we feel that the citizens (and our children) have been ‘ripped off’ by political groups (unions, bankers, green party, teachers, ect) with their hands out once again.
    The research I have been able to track suggests that Obama, and his entire family, is somehow been connected to 3 letter acronym government agencies for a long time. They have the ‘power’ to protect him, and his past, during that risky period when he was but a ‘senator’ but was already breaking US laws overseas (Kenya and Iraq). There is a long story here, much more in-depth than we the people will ever hear. No, I don’t believe he is to big to fail and even his ‘friends’ will eventually do a ‘et tu brutus’ when it is advantageous for them.
    It will take at least two election cycles to re-establish the congress this country needs to move forward, so we need to stay with it. This is the hope and change I believe in.

    Pete

  70. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 7:23 pm |

    =============================

    You would be considerably less irritated and less irritable if you learned to read. Read what I wrote again. Then read what I just wrote to JJ. The major problem with most of you is you have separate strands of thought intertwined like spaghetti – and you can’t seem to deconstruct things into bite size pieces.

    So let me try it a little differently.

    I am giving you useful and valuable info specifically about PTBs. I am not talking about everything else. There are any number of ways to illegally get rid of Zero and perhaps there are some legal ways that totally bypass the PTBs. That is not what I am talking about, but it is what you want to talk about.

    But I don’t want to talk about that – you know why? Because I don’t know very much about it. I don’t talk about things unless I am thoroughly expert.

    What I am talking about is what you need to know if you want to work with or through the PTBs. Since they are the decision makers, what they think and believe is all that matters. Why do you find this difficult to understand?

    I am trying my damnedest to promote some clarity of thought here. It is amazing to watch people squirm and resist.

    And as an example, your logic doesn’t even hold. I aked who made YOU God. You seem to think that I wanted to be God instead and that somehow my theories are superior to yours. Far from it. Go read it again. I said – paraphrase – that the decision makers get to decide how to decide – neither You, nor I, nor anyone else is in a position to dictate to them how to decide. And as a specific, do you think ANY of the decision makers gives a rat’s butt that either you or I think Zero is not too big to fail? Of course not. They believe that is THEIR decision.

    Why does the stuff that I write down that is the closest to pure mathematical truth piss people off the most? I express opinions all the time and nobody cares. But when I write a fact, a lot of you seem to foam at the mouth. Why do you think that is?

  71. CC….
    I guess it’s like JJ said and it sounds like good advice to me;

    “Never argue with an idiot, some people may not be able to tell the difference”

    Now you go and have a good night son and try to be nice to people.

  72. RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 7:23 pm |
    CC….I have to hand it to you mister…..

    You really know how to piss people off…especially me ! When I made the statement to you that “NO ONE WAS TOO BIG TO FALL”….your moronic response was :

    “Who made you god”….when you made that statement, you must have been looking in a mirror. I never assumed to be god, but apparently you think you are. Or in the least, a “know it all”.

    If you studied history at all, you will find a laundry list of BIG, (much bigger than obama) people who have fallen, but you seem to think the ONE is too BIG to FALL. Well he isn’t too big to fall , and time will tell who is right on this issue, you or the majority of people on this site who thinks he can and will fall.

    you are the only person here who can think, or has a right to express himself/or herself. When someone disagrees with you it puts your panties in a weggie, and I do believe “thou doth protest to loudly”.

    In my personal opinion, you are nothing but a smart ass jerk with little regard for the people on this site.

    ========================================

    Well Said, RM!

  73. JJ – leadership is a tough row. When I first began leading, I hadn’t a clue what I was doing. That was when I was 26 years old managing first a non-profit program for kids, which grew into being it’s own non-profit, and which blossomed into a tri-state area program all by the time I was 30. Talk about having to learn on the job! Whew! I left this non-profit when I realized by not having a BA or a BS I was doing her harm as an Executive Director b/c without that degree no foundation funds you.

    Therefore, I left her in what I believed at the time was safe hands and I went back to school to finish my degree at the age of 33. However, I didn’t want to just earn a degree, no, I wanted to contribute my acquired skills and experience to campus life. I left my parents home state of Ohio and moved back to my state, Virginia, where I attended a small woman’s college in the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

    While there, I was the first “older adult” to be elected to serve on the college’s Student Council. Oh how proud I was. In this elected position I got to bring people in to train our young women preparing to enter the corporate world. What a gift. To this day, although an older student, my fondest memories of working with those bright, electrifying and passionate young souls. My best friend to this day is a gal that is 25 years my junior. Watching and helping her grow into the woman she has become has been a marvel.

    I then left my haven in the mountains and spent the next 10 years learning the game of lobbying our statehouse. My issues were protecting the environment for our children and our children’s children. I was fortunate enough to work with a brilliant man who led an Environmental Endowment here in Virginia. In five years we secured over a billion dollars, no new money, to upgrade Virginia’s water treatment plants and to protect thousands of acres of virgin forests, that will be timbered, and managed into perpetuity. This was no small fete. In the end, I grew weary of the games and left. Moreover, I was maddened and extremely troubled by the 2008 outcome.

    So I took my savings and took the next year off which grew into two and now three years. I decided, when setting up the T-Room blog two things – first, I wanted the T-Room to be a place to share information b/w posters where they could feel safe and protected. Ridicule and criticism is not welcomed. Second, I wanted to open up the Statehouse business to the public.

    The first goal has been so successful that I grieve when a poster needs a break from the madness of the rabit holes they are willing to go down to get at the truth. The second goal has been more of a challenge.

    When I first started to record our General Assembly budget conferee meetings, I was seen as an outsider, a pariah, a nosey body. Well, before I ever went to record their meetings to post in the Live Blog Suite i.e., the public venue, I made sure I knew our FOIA laws and past judicial rulings and other pertinent rules before I ever stepped into the room. You see, in Virginia, our budget conference committee meetings have always been sold as closed off to the public. Well, I knew better b/c the laws on our books told me differently. So when I showed up, as a blogger, to the first budget conference committee meeting with a recorder in hand, whew, I can tell you the fear was elevated in the room.

    But being a leader meant I needed to trudge on. The law was on my side. Therefore, I did. That is until I was threatened by one of the Senators. That’s when I called jbjd to gain counsel and she gave it to me.

    Although I know I can sue the conferee’s for violating my right to record their business, I know better not to, at least not at this juncture, instead, after numerous conversations with legal eagles I decided to testify before our FOIA Counsel and to give them an ultimatum – lawsuit or mandatory annual FOIA training – I opted for the latter and so have they.

    This is leadership. Knowing the facts, learning varying legal opinions on options and then making a decision that is in the best interest of you, your clientele and your family.

    So what is getting ready to happen in Virginia, for the first time in her history, is a sea change known as accountability and transparency. I’m empowering, or should I say, stepping to the side of this issue, to allow the necessary space for the other brilliant minds to figure out the solutions my particular situation has created for them. I must place my faith somewhere and they all know I’ll drop a lawsuit at a drop of the hat if they don’t work on a solution that works for we Virginians. It’s simply that they gave me this gift and I am acting as responsibly as I know how to protect the integrity of the process, and I trust they want the same thing. These are good people who were only doing what other’s before them had done, but times are a changing and it’s b/c of we, the bloggers.

    So, again, leadership takes many forms. There is no one size fits all job description. Instead, it’s individualized and there are principles of which to guide you that are innate and not learned out of some book.

    Every individual who posts his/her expressions, opinions or thoughts for the whole world to see on these threads is a leader. Every single one of us. Therefore, let’s lead. Let’s unify and let’s be the ones to walk the masses out of this insanity. We are the chosen ones, don’t you think?

  74. Citizen Carlyle

    huffing and puffing WILL NOT WORK.

    ********************
    Most of what’s happening in the street right now , came from bloggers huffing and puffing their research , how do think the Tea Party got organized , Beck , Orly , Berg etc..

  75. CC I have a question…..

    Since you are soooooooo smart, and we are sooooo dumb, would you please tell us not so smart people exactly who, in your professional opinion, the PTB people are?

    Since you are the expert on PTB people, if you share their names with us then perhaps we can direct some of our angry toward them also.

  76. CC,
    Here is my guess… because many still believe we have Constitutional rights, that we are a sovereign nation, and that we can kill the wicked witch and go back to Kansas. We can’t. The yellow brick road has been destroyed. Hell, it was an illusion to begin with.

  77. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ | September 16, 2010 at 5:45 pm |

    You have got to have a bedrock of stability in your character, as well as a sense of humor

    ===========================

    Sometimes I will crack a wise, or do a grin or wink, but in the sense you mentioned it, no, I definitely do not have a sense of humor.

    As far as “bedrock” – yes – but it goes deeper than that. I don’t argue or debate unless I have done my homework thoroughly first – so, I never lose. Many times I specifically say “in my opinion” or “what do you think of this” or “this is surely a conundrum”. Those indicate areas where I am learning or think that a discussion is appropriate.

    Another very valuable technique I would like to commend – nay, INSIST – for everybody is to know your own level of knowledge and where the thick ice runs out. You saw a very good example of that yesterday in my discussion with JJ about “the hole in the pentgon”. She and I agree almost exactly up to a point. Past that point it is not proper to say that I disagree with her. She has a theory or “knowledge” that goes beyond where the defensible facts go. I could adopt a competing theory with her and we could actually argue apples to apples but I will not do that. Do you know why? Because if we did that one or the other of us would end up being wrong – and maybe even both of us. Perhaps the REAL TRUTH turns out to be something else entirely?

    So, the pentagon thing is a very exemplary case of where it is hard for me to be wrong because I will not espouse an argument which has a possibility of being wrong.

    Similarly, I don’t “believe” a lot of the things said about Zero. I believe he is EVIL. I believe he is a LIAR. I believe he is a MUSLIM, at least in spirit if not in fact. I believe he is a SOCIALIST, at least in spirit if not in fact. I know he has purposefully DESTROYED or HIDDEN many things about his past. I know he did not write his stupid book, at least not without a lot of help. But I do not know where he was born and I do not know if he is a citizen and I do not know who his parents are.

    And I am not going to argue those things, because I don’t know the answer. I can only speculate and wait. But when I know for a fact, as strong as any commonly acceptable and reasonable proof, that the sky is blue, and when some moron tries to tell me it is green, and even worse gets self-righteous that they have a right to their opinion – then, no, I have no humor and, yes, I probably talk down to them once in a while (otherwise known as “spoon feeding”), and, yes, I live on bedrock because I am right.

    If that irritates people, I don’t frankly care.

  78. RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 7:57 pm |
    CC….
    I guess it’s like JJ said and it sounds like good advice to me;

    “Never argue with an idiot, some people may not be able to tell the difference”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/02/winning-against-obots-and-astroturfers.html

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/26/outing-obamas-internet-brownshirts/

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

  79. From Helen’s post:

    This is leadership. Knowing the facts, learning varying legal opinions on options and then making a decision that is in the best interest of you, your clientele and your family.

    I don’t know what you call it—I call it choosing my fights wisely. It took years to learn that one philosophy.

  80. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 7:23 pm |

    you are nothing but a smart ass jerk with little regard for the people on this site

    =================================

    If I did not regard the people on this site – and devote hours of every day promoting clarity of thought – I would not be here. If I wanted some kind of “glory” I would use my real name. Instead, I hope the ideasqua ideas find receptive homes in fertile soil. Occasionally they fall among the rocks. But that is not MY fault.

    You will also observe that there is not a person here, yourself included, which I have not profusely praised from time to time. You might remember that in at least 3 occasions in the last week I have gone so far as to praise something as BRILLIANT which came from one of my most frequent antagonists who goads me over a particularly sensitive topic.

    But because I’m just “that kinda guy”, I move on and put out praise where praise is due. Even this morning, Free Speech posted something particularly useful and insightful and I praised THAT.

    If you want to pick on people who have little regard for other posters on this site, maybe you should check out some of the people who post the same crap over and over and never advance the discussion, and/or who pizz on certain specific people no matter what they say. Maybe it’s just me, but that all sounds a lot more anti-social than anything I ever do.

  81. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Pete | September 16, 2010 at 7:50 pm |

    ===================================

    This is a good example of a well-written and provocative piece.
    It shows great clarity of thought and some original thinking.
    Thank you.

  82. CC….you are just a wonderful work of art….

    the whole damn world should be praising you for your contributions!

  83. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JJ | September 16, 2010 at 7:43 pm |

    I never argue with idiots

    ===============================

    Well, let’s see. You misunderstand a piece I wrote. I wrote a nice reply basically conceding to you YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT, and then explained that I was talking about something else, to which you should have said, “Oh, I see, thanks for explaining”, and then instead you call me an idiot. Don’t you see something wrong with this chain of reasoning. Is it any wonder I have no sense of humor and get irritated?

  84. JJ,

    The question is not wether Obama is going to run for election in 2012, the question is can we “Extradite” him once he Runs? And he will run…….but not for President.

    Those that have buyers remorse fore Hillary, will vote for her, even knowing that she represents the same Socialist/Communist ideolgy, and like Obama, votes being on Race, her’s will be on Sex, a woman, just because.

    It will happen, at least the run portion.

  85. RMinNC @ 7:23 pm |
    “NO ONE WAS TOO BIG TO FALL”….
    Got me thinking the first one I thought of in “Dreams of my Insanity-Confessions of a Megalomaniac” like Obama was Adolph Hitler the ONE with his thousand year Reich, which didn’t even make 15 years. Unfortunately for mankind 60-80 million people were killed before that merciless insanity ended.

  86. Folks,

    CC is a woman. How do I know this? Easy answer. How many men, raise your hands, use the word “darn”.

    The only men I know who use such a term is gay and CC is not gay…she’s all fiery and brimstone woman.

  87. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    ARMY D.A.V. | September 16, 2010 at 8:03 pm |

    huffing and puffing WILL NOT WORK.

    ********************
    Most of what’s happening in the street right now , came from bloggers huffing and puffing their research , how do think the Tea Party got organized , Beck , Orly , Berg etc..

    ================================

    You know full well that is not the kind of thing I am talking about. You left out the key qualifier “little games”. The things you mention are significant activities, not little games. A “little game” among other things is assuming some this or that is going to work because The System allows for it, while at the same time knowing that The System is broken. For instance, a “little game” is believing the USSC will hear an eligibility case, when they have already signalled LOUD AND CLEAR, in several different ways, that they will never touch this with a 10-ft pole.

    And for clarity, since some of the other posters seem easily confused, I will state clearly that this is an OPINION, not yet a “sky is blue” fact. But I never-the-less maintain that it takes a rather perverse display of bravado to seek joy via this avenue.

  88. RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 8:29 pm | CC….you are just a wonderful work of art….

    the whole damn world should be praising you for your contributions!
    ~~~~~~~
    RM…I’m an educator, and the attitude of certain posters who give praise or approval for the thoughts of others , whether original or not–however, it’s debated by many scholars that no thoughts are really original–is beginning to pizz me off.
    Teaching first graders for years trains one for positive reinforcement, but even the dullards recognize it for what it is when used insincerely or inappropriately.
    Good teachers learn that integrity gets one noticed much quicker with much better results –and one sleeps better realizing what a good role model one played.

  89. meg whitman , next govenator of CA, says civil grand juries are coming
    ************************************
    someone copy this
    **************************************

    she says in her verbal commercial this is to include ALL levels of government

    a key opening to go after BArry and FED fraud that has occurred
    next stop, get her elected, then get on jury with fellow CAers.

    http://www.megwhitman.com/story/4301/meg-whitman-announces-california-grand-jury-on-waste-fraud-and-abuse.html

  90. SirWilliam | September 16, 2010 at 8:34 pm | JJ,

    The question is not wether Obama is going to run for election in 2012, the question is can we “Extradite” him once he Runs? And he will run…….but not for President.

    Those that have buyers remorse fore Hillary, will vote for her, even knowing that she represents the same Socialist/Communist ideolgy, and like Obama, votes being on Race, her’s will be on Sex, a woman, just because.

    It will happen, at least the run portion.
    ________________________________________

    Sir William, I agree it will be extradition as it relates to Bo. He’ll find safe haven and be the madman we read about in Sci-fi books out to destroy his imagined enemies.

    When it comes to Hillary, the only way this former Hillary supporter would ever vote for her again is a) she comes clean, b) she rescinds healthcare monster; c) she rescinds the law that allows dual citizenship of Jews to serve in our government; d) she outs the Bush cabal and brings them to justice before they escape to Paraquay; e) she ends the Zionist Federal Banking cartel; f) she ceases all agreements with the Queen and Britian; g) she ends the IRS; h) she ends all empire building and brings our kids home from the over than 20 wars they are fighting in today; i) she demolishes the DNC and rebuilds it from the ground up; j) she ends ALL Zionist influence within our government, media and the banking system plus our education facilities and k) she extradites the treasonous criminals like Cheney, Dubya, Sr., Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Powell, Emanuel, Obama, Michelle, Beck, O’reilly and the rest of the Zionist neocon nutjobs! Finally, she’ll have to get on bended knee and beg for forgiveness.

    No Sir. This former Hillary supporter will have to get campaign promises pledged in blood. And no, I will never ever ever vote for Palin, Romney or Gingrich. I’ve had it up to my eyeballs with the Reagan coaliton of extremists and there is no way in hell I’d ever vote to put any of these losers in power.

  91. Not to be the Judge and Jury here,

    But with all the moaning. Griping. Bickering, starting your own blogs for some, what the hell have you, as an individual, done to contribute otherwise?

    If you say, I have writen multiple letters to my Reps, and continue to do so, step up, move to the head of the class, kudos to you and my personal salute.

    But please, don’t complain and do nothing at all. It is the same as not voting and complaining about your rep.

  92. Our ace press, you have to get up really early in the morning to fool them, just this week they discovered the Tea Party-or they couldn’t deny its existence anymore, since half the country is Tea Party. They are trying to make it out to be some fracture in the Republican Party (partly accurate) but the Tea Party was formed due to Obama/Democrats over reach, insanity, corruption etc. Republicans are getting rid of RINO’s , we former Dems will finish the job they started joining them whenever, wherever we can.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6873835n&tag=mncol;lst;2
    Tea Party Candidates Leave GOP in Turmoil
    Jeff Greenfield reports on the problem with the big victories this week by candidates of the Tea Party, leaving the Grand Old Party is in turmoil.
    Now that the primaries are over, Democrats may have their best opportunity to define this election as a choice between two philosophies. That the Republican ranks are now populated by creative, colorful Tea Party characters helps bring the differences into higher relief than would otherwise have been the case with establishment candidates. But this may all still be a side show in anxious economic times. If voters want to punish the party in power for the slow pace of the recovery, all of these hopeful new strategies may be about as effective as changing a logo.

  93. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 8:04 pm |

    since you are soooooooo smart, and we are sooooo dumb

    ==============================

    Again, a mischaracterization. I will restate it for you. Each of us are at different places in our understanding. Some are learning, some have learned much. More importantly, due to our background and skills and expertise, each of us has areas of expertise (“soooo smart”?) and lacks (“soooo dumb”?) that are different than others.

    Someone earlier mentioned you have particular insight into Military order and discipline and UCMJ, etc. I don’t know you but I take it on faith that it is true. Furthermore I do know for a fact that I am not an expert in these areas, so I would be positively disposed to value your expertise.

    I happen to have a lot of expertise on how the top-level political process and “horse trading” works and how the PTBs think and believe. (Don’t make me detail my credentials – I don’t want glory – I want understanding and clarity of thought). One would think that in the spirit of mutual support that you would value this expertise – especially as your comments tell me you know as much about this area as I know about Military Law.

    If I said something off center about your area of expertise, I would fully expect you to gently push back. If I said something moronic, I should not be surprised to get smacked down. All that seems fair and reasonable.

    But more to the specific point – I started writing a lot about the PTBs a couple of weeks ago because it became important to do so. (I have lots of other areas of especial expertise also, but I don’t bring them up because they are either irrelevant to this entire discussion, or are not relevant yet – I know how to ride a unicycle, do you? I’m not all that much younger than you, but I can hit 4 or 5 golfballs in a row, at 200 meters, with a top tier high-caliber military sniper rifle – I missed once, and hit the tee holding it up instead – oops, can you?. – in other words, I don’t care about random meaningless credentials – only specific expertise to the point.)

    For some reason that totally escapes me the PTB discussion has become a totally touchy subject. It does not dissuade me from providing the information, but it never ceases to amaze that every time I mention any of this that mouth foam starts getting flicked all over everything. If I were paranoid, I might think that I have punctured some sacred balloons about the way some people WISH the world works. Sorry, I am not a wish fairy. I am a bearer of truth only.

    But, since I don’t paste the same crap over and over, and continually try to advance the discussion – you’ve got to keep up. In that regard, I fully answered the question as to who the PTBs are downstairs somewhere. Somebody who’s bored can go try to find it. Simple answer is: National Level Decision Makers.

  94. CW I encourage you to moderate CC out of our lives…

  95. SirWilliam | September 16, 2010 at 8:34 pm | JJ,

    The question is not wether Obama is going to run for election in 2012, the question is can we “Extradite” him once he Runs? And he will run…….but not for President.

    Those that have buyers remorse fore Hillary, will vote for her, even knowing that she represents the same Socialist/Communist ideolgy, and like Obama, votes being on Race, her’s will be on Sex, a woman, just because.

    It will happen, at least the run portion.
    ~~~~`~~~~~~

    Well, Sir Wm…I’m the poster who thinks he won’t ‘run’ alone…most who have robbed us for years have seen this coming, or are really naive or think we are–and have homes abroad out of harms way.
    That’s my final answer and I’m sticking to it.
    It’s sad, but my impression of Hillary voters is same as what happened in 2008–they couldn’t pass a simple civics test…and neither could I…then!
    Pray, SirWm, that millions of women will learn about the Clinton casualties.
    If it were false, there would be a defamation lawsuit—but then that would call for an investigation, would it not?? Ahah!

  96. Goodnight all…I’ve had enough of la la land for tonight…
    I’m sure we can all sleep well tonight…obama’s on guard duty.

    Teacher JJ, I have never had anyone question my integrity in my 75 years of existence.

    There have been times when my tact was mentioned, but never my integrity. But I don’t quibble about integrity just as I don’t quibble about honor.

    Your point of being a good role model is well taken. I have had many good young men under my many commands over the years who have said the same thing to me…and really meant it!

    Oh well….all’s well that ends well.

  97. Sir William – I hope your comment was not directed towards me. If it was let me assure I have done much.

    First, as far as I know, I am the only Virginian to file jbjd’s Criminal Complaint with my state’s AG, first Mims and now Cuccinelli. I testified before out state board of elections to make sure the filing of the Criminal Complaint was put on record.

    Since then, I’ve helped where my help was asked for on several rally’s, events and meetings.

    I continue to do research here at Richmond’s Historical and State Library’s to assist the Thirteenth Amendment group known as TONA. I’ve written letters to many representatives to gain assistance for this cause.

    I started a blog to inform people with facts NOT just opinion. I assist many investigative writers along with other bloggers to get their stories out to the masses.

    Please do not be so general with your words, Sir. Many of us are doing many things. We simply choose not to talk about them.

  98. – Meg Whitman today announced her plan to create the first California Statewide Grand Jury on Waste, Fraud and Abuse.

    “As Governor, I’m going to prosecute fraud, clean up waste and stop abuse in state government. We are facing a huge budget deficit and there’s no better time to root out fraud and waste and I will be appointing California citizens to sit on the grand jury,” Meg Whitman said.

    “This grand jury will have the powers to subpoena, indict and hand over cases for civil and criminal prosecutions,” said Whitman. “The bottom line is, when I’m Governor, there will be consequences. I want to be able to look taxpayers in the eye and tell them their tax dollars are being well spent.”

    ____________

    Halleluiah

  99. da verg | September 16, 2010 at 8:49 pm |
    meg whitman , next govenator of CA, says civil grand juries are coming
    ************************************
    someone copy this
    **************************************

    she says in her verbal commercial this is to include ALL levels of government

    a key opening to go after BArry and FED fraud that has occurred
    next stop, get her elected, then get on jury with fellow CAers.

    http://www.megwhitman.com/story/4301/meg-whitman-announces-california-grand-jury-on-waste-fraud-and-abuse.html

    ===========================================

    EXCELLENT!

  100. Having said that,

    Many, and I state that with true content, contribute in their each and every individual way. This needs to be a collective team effort, recogized for what it is, a proactive, high performance, diversity of background, team.

    How did our founding fathers, as diverisfied as they were, collectivelly come together with so many different insights and disagreements? If you guessed a basic laws of nature for a foundation, move to the head of the class. Don’t believe me? Read the Federalist papers.

    They did agree on one thing most important, without liberty, there is no such thing a freedom. Today, those words have been twisted, by those that call themselves liberals, progressives, socialists, dems, ect. All the same thing, but far from our law, our founding law, our law for a free republic, and our law as the constitution is the supreme law .

  101. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 8:29 pm |

    CC….you are just a wonderful work of art…. the whole damn world should be praising you for your contributions!

    ================================

    Since I only post things that I know a lot – and have every reason to believe – based on others offcenter or clueless statements – that perhaps I know most about those topics – yes that would reasonable and appreciated.

    See for instance my posts on the GOM Oil Gusher. It is off topic to this blog, but several of you seem to appreciate them and since a lawyer with no expertise (no harm in that, per se, who even expects a lawyer to know this type of technical arcana) continually tries to be an expert (yes, there IS harm in that – damn close to malpractice in MY opinion) and posts disinformation – yes I post correct stuff. Should I be praised for that? You betcha.

    And as noted above – when anybody including yourself posts stuff which seems to be coming from deep or special expertise – does the whole world owe you praise? You betcha. And who gives it – yep, yours truly. I always try to recognize good stuff.

    And, am I a work of art? In one very special way I indeed am. I had the privilege for decades to work at the highest levels in the Aerospace Industry – specifically military and NASA items. I had to jointly operate with the best and the brightest – “rocket scientists” and executives responsible for billions of $$$ – due to no fault or glory of my own – we HAD to know exactly what we knew and what we didn’t and what other people knew and who was expert at what. To be wrong in this assessment or to be wrong even once on an area or recognized expertise was career suicide. Just as a matter of simple Darwinism, you had to learn how to do that at a level no “regular person” ever had to do. There was no chain of command, nobody to back you up, you were on your own. Lives depended on it. Space shuttles crash because of a failure or a glitch in this system. It is THAT important. So, I have been through that crucible. Few people have. I have the “art” of knowing what I know and what I don’t. BELIEVE IT.

  102. Helen,

    Then kudos to you, and thank you, from the bottom of my heart for being an American Patriot and actually doing something, other than bickering.

    No, my comment was not directed to you, it was an open comment to all.

  103. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 16, 2010 at 8:06 pm |

    CC,
    Here is my guess… because many still believe we have Constitutional rights, that we are a sovereign nation, and that we can kill the wicked witch and go back to Kansas. We can’t. The yellow brick road has been destroyed. Hell, it was an illusion to begin with.

    =================================

    Thank you very much – that is a vivid image of at least my thoughts on “little games” and “huffing and puffing”.

    Here is another statement that makes people foam at the mouth. But it too is “sky is blue” true. A majority of the federal government has been unconstitutional for close to 100 years. In that context – repeat – in that context, whether or not Zero is NBC is a small issue and quite arcane.

    Now, if he is not a citizen at all, and if there are major secrets in his past that even the Democrats say “Whoa, sh-t, we wouldn’t have voted for him if we knew that”! – well that’s a different story entirely. And I am betting that this is the case with 99% confidence. That is why I have become so focused on “outing the records”. I think that is the winning bid.

  104. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 16, 2010 at 8:09 pm |

    =========================

    You are in desperate need of adult supervision.

  105. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Bill G | September 16, 2010 at 9:05 pm |

    CW I encourage you to moderate CC out of our lives…

    =====================================

    Very “adult” and “helpful” suggestion. Ignore important elements of truth because you don’t like them. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me, but that kind of popping into one’s turtle shell, seems, well, kinda autistic to me. But I’m sure you must have meant it in some sort of benign way.

  106. Thank you, Sir William, for your gracious response.

    My passage was not easy, but I knew when I filed that Complaint I’d lose every Dem friend and contact I ever made and I have. I’ve never had one iota of regret and I’d do it again if it meant protecting my homeland.

    And I’ll add this to anyone posting or lurking. It is never to late to file said Criminal Complaint in your state. jbjd was a fabulous, albeit pain in the arse, coach, and she never once left my side while I did what I did. For that, I remain grateful. So, feel free to visit her site, look to the right side to learn if a complaint has already been drafted for your state, and if not, ask jbjd for guidance on how to research your state’s election laws. She’s a great coach.

  107. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 9:09 pm |

    =============================

    One’s integrity is compromised when one claims or tries to be expert in areas where one is not, and when one fails to recognize expertise in others. In these cases, you integrity is not so much questioned by others, but is essentially self-proclaimed. The question for you to answer for yourself – not anybody else – and you don’t even have to tell us the answer – is “can I accept that someone else has the expertise to challenge something I wish were true?”

  108. Hey CC, you’re having a tough row tonight. It’s obvious you are a smart cookie, but I’m curious, you’ve been posting here at CWs for quite awhile now. I know you are a woman and you appear to have some inside knowledge. Other’s here are taking your info and marginalizing it, not all are being intentional though, some are, but not all.

    You have a polished since about you and your debating style reminds me of many debates I had with former political operatives…those of us who love to spar on policy and elections.

    That said, you told us upthread you were a teacher. Might you actually be a professor who got her head start in life in LA and are now teaching at a respected institution in DC?

    You kind of remind me of her. Just askin…

  109. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JJ | September 16, 2010 at 8:47 pm |

    ============================

    There was a fun episode on The Big Bang Theory recently in which Sheldon tries to change the behavior of his room-mate’s girlfriend through operant conditioning. He fed her chocolates every time she did something he liked. To that extent you are right.

    But I still reserve the right to praise whoever I want – especially when they show particularly positive signs of clear thinking – not per my opinion. but accepted practice on logic, rationality, and philosophical thinking going back as far as Aristotle.

    Reference my recent example on Sky Is Blue. You try to tell me it is Green, you get no praise. You say it is Blue, you get some praise. You come up with a new way to scientifically measure it’s level of Blueness, then you get lots of praise. You claim Sky is Green too many times, you’re probably not going to like me very much.

  110. CC

    “sky is blue” true.

    ******************
    The use of the verb ‘is’ here is erroneous. The sky is neither blue nor black nor any color. Color is an intrinsic property of material objects and sky is not one.
    Facts , just facts . I seemed to have missed some of your seminars , please catch me up , mainly what is the point your trying to make .

    Not foaming at the mouth, Thank you

  111. I thought it was a joke at first but it is true, the Dems have a new logo, since Obama is somewhat of a logo freak. This seems to be a priority with him/Dems. This November Americans will throw out the garbage.
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/
    Barack Obama and his thugs want to “brand” a piece of junk. The Nobel Peace Prize used to have a great brand – the gold standard of achievement. But now the Obama “brand” has reduced the Nobel Peace Prize into a solid gold piece of junk. It was an undeserved award to a man of zero accomplishments.
    The DNC/OAF can wave their new logo or Nobel Peace Prize medal like a glass marble in the hands of a hypnotist all they want. But logos and prize medals won’t change the fact that the underlying product is a piece of junk.
    This November Americans will throw out the garbage.
    It’s a new logo! And it’s different from Obama’s, so stop saying so!
    But wait, there’s more: it’s bling!
    The logo is on all sorts of merchandise too, so if you still have a job and money, buy it right away!
    How excited are you?
    Now, in all fairness, one B0bot came pretty close too
    He then unveiled a new logo. The symbol intended to generate enthusiasm in the burned-out Democratic base is a dark blue circle around a pastel blue capital …

  112. Bill G | September 16, 2010 at 9:05 pm |
    CW I encourage you to moderate CC out of our lives…
    =======================================
    I agree Bill G.,

    When citizen carlyle/bo was claiming that he had special legal knowledge he played the perfect fool since he was so easily foiled.

    Then when cc/bo claimed he was geological scientist and began making his ridiculous “GOM gunk and gack” posts he was easily discredited simply by posting articles by legitimate Scientists from UGA, LSU FSU UM USF USA USM UC AND TEXAS A&M.

    Now that cc/bo has been totally exposed as a fraud, he has resorted to doing nothing but engaging in personal attacks and cluttering the blog with irrelevant info, like his most recent claim that he is now an Aerospace Expert.

    I don’t mind his posts myself because I merely skip over them but he is now cluttering the blog with nothing but BS.

  113. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Helen | September 16, 2010 at 9:42 pm |

    Hey CC, you’re having a tough row tonight.

    ===============================

    Not at all. People trying to play lawn darts on me don’t hurt at all. I’m unbreakable. I have been forged in the best and biggest furnaces there are. Annoyed at most – certainly not a tough row.

    But just so people quit useless speculation:

    I am male, old enough to be retired, but I consult internationally for the fun of it. Things I do in real life are much harder and and more complex than here.

    I spent 4 years teaching hard sciences at the college level (unlike Zero, I was a real full time faculty!).

    I spent more than a decade designing especially reliable computer systems for healthcare purposes – some of it as a principal researcher at a major medical teaching university. Systems I designed are in use internationally.

    I spent almost 3 decades bouncing around the upper reaches of the Military Industrial Complex. Air Force, NASA, Pentagon/JCS, Army projects. (I have sat in the war room of JCS and debated war strategy and automation thereof, and same for Strategic Air Command in Omaha – have any of you?)

    I am a NRA Certified firearms instructor – rifle, pistol, shotgun, ammunition, etc. etc. – range officer (something similar to an NFL official) – and maintain Distinguished Expert ratings in multiple disciplines.

    I am an especial expert on the GREAT HOAX of Anthropometric Global Warming – which may be bigger and more involved than our favorite fraud here. But it has many similarities to the whole Obama situation – including people with impeccable credentials who ought to be experts, but have been compromised by government money. So it requires extreme care to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys – and the good theories from the bad theories – which falls into an unusual expertise I have, as described above.

    And, I read and research on the order of 100 pages of dense and intense history and philosophy EVERY DAY, and have for years. At one time I subscribed to and READ 30 esoteric and deep technical monthly journals. Alas, down to only several now. Why? I aspire to be a polymath and “ultimate Renaissance Man”. You would have to look pretty far to find someone more knowledgeable about all forms of modern and ancient governments and economies.

    This is the kind of expertise I am trying to bring here. You guys can use it – FREE – or not – or you can disparage it – just try to be adult about it – – –

    And I can ride a unicycle.

  114. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    ARMY D.A.V. | September 16, 2010 at 9:46 pm |

    ==============================

    Oh, grow up. Some of you people are embarrassing yourselves. Use a different example if you don’t like that one.

  115. http://www.megwhitman.com/story/4301/meg-whitman-announces-california-grand-jury-on-waste-fraud-and-abuse.html

    Meg Whitman announces California Grand Jury on Waste, Fraud and Abuse

    CUPERTINO – Meg Whitman today announced her plan to create the first California Statewide Grand Jury on Waste, Fraud and Abuse.

    “As Governor, I’m going to prosecute fraud, clean up waste and stop abuse in state government. We are facing a huge budget deficit and there’s no better time to root out fraud and waste and I will be appointing California citizens to sit on the grand jury,” Meg Whitman said.

    “This grand jury will have the powers to subpoena, indict and hand over cases for civil and criminal prosecutions,” said Whitman. “The bottom line is, when I’m Governor, there will be consequences. I want to be able to look taxpayers in the eye and tell them their tax dollars are being well spent.”

  116. Teacher JJ, I have never had anyone question my integrity in my 75 years of existence.

    And rightfully so, your character is showing!!
    God bless this land and its believers, and all who served giving us the right to say that word–God.
    Viet Nam??
    Husband was there in 70/71. He doesn’t talk much and Sunday he wouldn’t stand with the honored vets in St Louis. Me?? I’d have been the first to stand!

  117. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 16, 2010 at 10:10 pm |

    ==================================

    PATHETIC. Like all your posts, this misquotes me. I never claimed to be any kind of legal expert.

    And it’s more than amusing that you should have an opinion about my credentials. You know nothing about me and have no way of knowing. It is odd that people want to have opinions about things they know NOTHING ABOUT. And in this case I don’t have to speculate, I KNOW you know nothing.

    But thank you for providing a Teachable Moment. I have no reason to comment on other peoples opinions, especially unless I have a more defensible opinion myself. But I have stated that my main mission is to help with clarity of thought. Free Speech provides perfect examples. Some of his most famous are:

    1. Misquoting or quoting out of context.

    2. Broken chains of logical thought.

    3. Relying on proven bogus experts.

    These things are not opinions. These are violations of accepted reasoning as taught in actual schools and violations of accepted debate decorum.

    But in the end, these things are self-diagnostic and eventually everybody sees them for what they are.

    But it never the less amazes me that people want to reject good and valid information that will strengthen the fight. It’s like “Here, here is a rifle”, “nope, makes too much noise, and it scares me, I’ll just use my slingshot”. Hey, it worked for David – but if that is your plan, you better make pretty dang sure the God has your back.

  118. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 16, 2010 at 10:32 pm |

    ================================

    This is amusing. As usual, somebody is getting all wee-weed up over nothing. The NEWS here is that Meg intends to focus on fraud and waste and do something about this. It is NOT NEWS that she is using a grand jury, that is just incidental.

    Furthermore, this is no vindication of the CGJ concept. This is a regular ordinary grand jury appointed by state officials, with proper prosecutors, judges, and all that. It is NOT a self-constituted jury.

    Ho hum, keep in driving, nothing to see here – – –

  119. RMinNC | September 16, 2010 at 9:09 pm |

    Oh, RM…don’t worry about integrity..when you have it as like a 6th sense, it’s effortless, wouldn’t you say??
    And like most attributes…it’s relative, so hard to define.

  120. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 16, 2010 at 10:10 pm |

    I don’t mind his posts myself because I merely skip over them

    =============================

    Ha! Now that is a boldface lie. You pour over every word I write and sift and sort everything. Then you take stuff out of context, misquote it, and then play it back over and over and over and over.

    I’ve never seen anyone take so much delight in stuff they ignore.

    Why don’t you follow your own advice. You are hopelessly tied to whatever game you are playing anyway and don’t likely stand to profit from anything I say. How ’bout this – raise your hand – scouts honor – I hearby swear:

    I promise to never read anything CCFUBO writes ever again.

    Further I will never mention him again, EVER!

    Now THAT would be an improvement to this blog!

  121. CC,
    For the record… I never scroll past ya. Most nights something you wrote sticks in my head and causes me to lose sleep.

  122. CC – thank you for replying to me and my request to know more about you. Your brief summary of experience certainly explains your communication skills and your profound sense of knowing who you are.

    You do not back down, sir, which is something I have come to respect and admire about you. At one time, you just really pissed me off and I wrote you off, but you kept coming back and kept engaging. I admire your tenacity although I find you a bit full of yourself at times. Obviously, you are and with reason. This I can respect and work with.

    However, sir, and I mean no disrespect by this, but you, like me, can be a bit overbearing with the good folks who post here at CWs. It doesn’t mean we are right or wrong, it simply means that sometimes, those of us armed with knowledge others have not yet embraced, are pereceived as troublemakers or obots at worse. When this occurs our thoughts and opinions are dismissed for no other reason than we’ve pushed the envelope to hard and to far.

    Speaking as one hard head to another, I might suggest a more velvet, respectful approach. And sir, you know how to do this given the circles you roamed in.

    My feet left the marble floor awhile ago b/c my soul yearned for dirt. Something tell’s me you are oriented in a similar manner.

    Just a cheap piece of advice from a blogging friend.

    And CW, no, banning CC is not the answer. Accepting CC for who he is and the wealth of experience he is awkwardly attempting to share here is much more important to our collective cause than to dismiss him and ban him.

    I certainly empathize with the few who have suggested this, but I wholeheartedly do not agree with you, FWIW.

    Peace and goodnight

  123. Free Speech @ 10:32 pm |
    I will bet she can balance the states books in one year.

  124. Citizen Carlyle 10:14 PM
    “…This is the kind of expertise I am trying to bring here. You guys can use it – FREE – or not – or you can disparage it – just try to be adult about it – – -”
    ********************************
    Thanks for laying some of the speculation to rest! I really like reading something about the posters’ life experiences, because it helps give added meaning to their comments. It is not surprising to me that you have had such a wealth of experience, since your approach to issues reveals such; however, the extent and variety of your background IS a bit of a surprise. I for one am happy and grateful to read your posts and glean from your wisdom. Thanks again for sharing.

    As a final thought: You know, I wonder how we would all interact and react if we were together in person, say, in a living room face to face? Perhaps, there would be more respect and tolerance shown toward each other’s views. It is easy in some ways to detect the character and personality of people according to what they write, but, then again, it is likewise possible to misunderstand them. Oh, well…..we do have something very important in common, and that IS a unifying factor. Blessings!

  125. Michelle | September 16, 2010 at 11:09 pm |
    Free Speech @ 10:32 pm |
    I will bet she can balance the states books in one year.
    ===============================================

    Meg will set the standard for Grand Juries across the Nation to investigate government fraud. Just a matter of time before pelosi is indicted by Meg’s Grand Jury.

  126. Citizen Carlyle 10:49 PM
    “Furthermore, this is no vindication of the CGJ concept. This is a regular ordinary grand jury appointed by state officials, with proper prosecutors, judges, and all that. It is NOT a self-constituted jury.”
    ******************************************
    This is one of the problems – People are NOT carefully reading and THINKING! Right away there are those who conclude that she is referring to CGJ’s, a favorite topic here.

    It is so easy to jump to conclusions erroneously, and it seems to me that this very fact is one of the reasons we are where we are today as a country. Our kids are not being taught to reason, to use good logic, or make well-informed decisions. Oh, they are very computer literate, but when it comes to the nitty-gritty problems of life they are woefully lacking. Sad.

  127. Michelle | September 16, 2010 at 11:09 pm |

    Meg’s Grand Jury announcement has certainly rattled the obot cages here tonight. The obots can see the handwriting on the wall, bo’s regime is about to take a big fall.

    I Can’t wait until governors in other States follow Meg’s lead and form Grand Juries across the country to investigate the FRAUD.

  128. Free Speech | September 16, 2010 at 10:10 pm |
    Bill G | September 16, 2010 at 9:05 pm |
    CW I encourage you to moderate CC out of our lives…
    =======================================
    I agree Bill G.,
    ***************************
    One word for both FS and Bill G – BALONEY!!!

  129. In Virginia, 10 (ten) citizens have forwarded the complaint of election fraud to the new AG, Ken Cuccinelli. (Around that same number forwarded the citizen complaint to former AG Bill Mims.)

  130. Hi all – sorry that I have not been able to participate much. I did see this story earlier today and between meetings, I post it at lucianne.com – to give it wider coverage. I just checked – and it has very few comments. That is probably due to the fact that the title is not very compelling.

    Could those of you that have lucianne.com posting privileges please go there and post?

    The thread:
    http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=565191&page=1

  131. http://newsflavor.com/opinions/white-house-insider-on-obama-the-president-is-losing-it/#ixzz0zjOVl9rF

    OMG! These White House Insider Revelations about bo are SHOCKING! It is far worse than I imagined. bo is about to be UTTERLY DESTROYED!

    I LOVE IT!

    No wonder cc/bo and his cheerleaders are LOSING IT tonight. The obots must be TERRIFIED about what is about to happen to them.

  132. I’ve listened to many netcasts about the Obama eligibility issue. The call-ins can be extremely revealing as to the approach taken by some of the ‘slicker’ Obots. They don’t argue in favor of his POTUS eligibility. Just the opposite. According to them, Obama is a usurper and should be removed. But we need to be realistic – it’s not going to happen – nothing we can do – too powerful.

    BEWARE of the professional Obot. They are into ‘mind games’.

  133. ‘It’s time to impeach Obama for high crimes against U.S.’
    President blasted as a Christianity-hating tyrant ‘working that anvil right now forging our chains’
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=204149

  134. GORDO | September 17, 2010 at 12:09 am |
    I’ve listened to many netcasts about the Obama eligibility issue. The call-ins can be extremely revealing as to the approach taken by some of the ‘slicker’ Obots. They don’t argue in favor of his POTUS eligibility. Just the opposite. According to them, Obama is a usurper and should be removed. But we need to be realistic – it’s not going to happen – nothing we can do – too powerful.

    BEWARE of the professional Obot. They are into ‘mind games’.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That is exactly what the obots are doing here. They don’t can about winning a debate that just want to disrupt and discourage Patriots from taking any action.

  135. FS – you make me laugh. Silly me, I actually took you seriously when posting the newsflavor link, so before I headed to bed, I thought, what the heck, I’ll bite.

    What you sent me to was a site with no banner but a post by a cartoon character named “Ulsterman”, and you want us to take you seriously? Even the writing is juvenile and propagandistic. Have you not learned yet what propaganda looks like. C’mon, I know you’re smarter than that.

    No one who posts here would ever fall for that vanilla reporting by a cartoon character. Lordy, do ya think we’re stupid?

    ROFLMAO & for the most part you’ve stayed in character all day, but then you post this dribble.

  136. Free Speech @ 11:58 pm
    White House Insider on Obama: “the President is Losing It.”
    Personally I never thought he had it in the first place, sanity that is. Just my luck I watched a repeat of Criminal Minds-it was about a person having a complete psychotic break-it wasn’t pretty. If I had to carry around the mountain of lies this guy has going on I’d be nutty too. Are you sure he isn’t faking “losing it” for an insanity defense? Obviously I don’t trust this guy at all.

  137. jbjd | September 16, 2010 at 11:34 pm | In Virginia, 10 (ten) citizens have forwarded the complaint of election fraud to the new AG, Ken Cuccinelli. (Around that same number forwarded the citizen complaint to former AG Bill Mims.)
    _____________________
    I appreciate this update. However, Cooch has told me I’m the only one who has sent the complaint in.

    May I ask how you know for sure 20 Complaints have been sent? Have you by chance talked to the AG and recv’d the actual count? I’d love to know.

  138. Illegal Alien Child Molester Awarded $4.5 Million in California!
    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7382/pub_detail.asp

  139. http://video.foxnews.com/v/4340274/democrat-pushing-to-repeal-obamacare/?playlist_id=86858
    Neil Cavuto
    Democrat Pushing to Repeal Obamacare
    Rep. Gene Taylor wants repeal of health care overhaul

  140. http://www.taylor.house.gov/
    First Democrat Joins House GOP Effort to Repeal Health Care Law
    September 16, 2010
    FOXNews.com, September 16, 2010
    Mississippi Rep. Gene Taylor has become the first Democratic co-sponsor of a Republican effort to repeal the health care law, joining 172 GOPers to call for a vote to end the legislation.
    Taylor, an 11-term lawmaker known as a Blue Dog for his fiscal moderation, issued a statement Thursday saying that he is joining the “discharge petition” proposed by Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King to repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, signed into law on March 23.
    “I didn’t vote for it, people don’t want it, and the taxpayers cannot afford it,” Taylor said in a statement issued on his website.

  141. The Forgotten Man

  142. Michelle – see my comment above your recent comment to FS.

    FS asks us to take him seriously, which we do on many items he posts. However, this recent link he’s cheering is posted by a cartoon character named Ulsterman. C’mon. Credible bloggers and journalists post by their real names. Not some silly cartoon character named whatever.

    There are a few old timers who choose to remain anonymous like jbjd, uppitywoman, reverend amy, texasdarlin and even CWs. This is a choice these folks made way back when so as to remain anonymous for whatever reasons. But we know they are real people b/c they’ve let us all know who they are. This I respect although I wish they’d come out of anonymity b/c the the work they do is awesome, but who am I to say they should or shouldn’t.

    That said, today, bloggers are using their names and identities and building a brand around it like Michelle Malkin, Pamela Geller, Andrew Brietbart and more. Anonymity will remain a staple within the blogosphere, but most bloggers see the advantage of revealing their identities and resumes. I for one am a very proud, out in the open, nothing to hide blogger. But the folks who set up their blogs prior to 2008 or 2009 embraced the anonymity practice.

    Today, I’d never take a cartoon character who goes by the silly name of Ulst…whatever seriously. Especially on with no banner and no info on the poster. That’s me. You decide for yourself.

  143. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Helen | September 16, 2010 at 11:01 pm |

    ==============================

    LOL – perhaps you presume too much – in the circles I traveled we did not learn “polite” garden party techniques. Getting to the bottom line QUICKLY was too important. We were working on SERIOUS stuff, no time for niceties. Conversations and discussions were closer to Drill Seargeant than Miss Manners.

    I once presumed that we here were all SERIOUS and realized we were at war with very dark forces. It never occured to me that this was a social club. Perhaps I need to re-evaluate.

    To me – in regards all posters here – you are either with us or against us, you are either serious or you are a dilettante. The ex-military people here are the most amazing because of their thin skin. Not at all like any military I ever worked with. All were no-nonsense, barking, and directing, and giving and taking orders as needed. I never had a “garden party” conversation with any military in my whole life. We all gave and take alike. I don’t know how you spend years in the military and end up so touchy. ‘Tis a puzzlement.

    Finally, you must surely be able to imagine the frustration factor. Perhaps an example from the firing range. Do you know how frustrating it is to hear amateurs debating the merits of this or that gun or this or that ammunition? It’s enough to make you pull your hair out. At deer camp or around the campfire it is part of the fun to have such discussions. But when I teach a self-defense class – I put a kybosh on that right away. We are now in a life and death situation and I don’t put up with any blind leading the blind. And you know who the worst offenders are? The ones who are most often wrong and the ones who are most self-righteous that they know everything? The ones what were taught to shoot by their pappys or grandpappys. The ones who like to call me wipper snapper because I defy multi-generations of their self-truth.

    Just like here – giving up a failed self-truth is the hardest. SIGH.

  144. Unbelievable Obama Hypocrisy: The Bush Tax Cuts Become the “Obama Tax Cuts”
    http://networkedblogs.com/7XQ2n?a=share&ref=nf

  145. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    PS – if you all want some REALLY inspirational reading – and lots of lessons learned and all that –

    Read everything you can by Robin of Berkeley over at American Thinker. This poor lady spent all her life (and I think multi-generational) convinced that being a Liberal and a Democrat was the “truth”.

    One day she had an epiphany – and became not only a conservative, but realized full on that the Progressive/Liberal agenda was very “dark”. Talk about a mind-shattering experience. I can’t even hope to understand. And the poor thing, she now thinks Liberal are evil and her significant other did not enjoy or approve of her epiphany and is still a raving liberal. It just defies understanding and imagination to try to grasp her situation. But she is a practicing psychotherapist and her articles discuss how she is working through all this.

  146. “The Secret of Oz” – Swedish Captions – order DVD or donate @ 3w secretofOz dot com
    The most important clip you’ll ever need to watch. It’s time! The whole nation is on the verge of financial slavery and economic collapse.

  147. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ | September 16, 2010 at 11:21 pm |

    =================================

    This is another good example. This is the kind of “bad think” I try to quell. We can’t solve a SERIOUS problem if we don’t discipline ourselves to be SERIOUS thinkers.

    This blog is like any other blog I guess. There are relatively few contributors – either original thinkers or enablers who can take other people’s ideas and expand and magnify them.

    Then there are a bunch of people with legitimate questions who are trying to learn. And they too are useful because their questions can provide a certain primitive kind of insight that higher flyers may miss.

    Then there are people who may think they are well-meaning, but just manage to be a day late, or a dollar short, or in the wrong place at the wrong time almost all the time.

    Then there are people who are purposefully malicious.

    And, last, unfortunately, there are two or three whose actual sanity is in question.

    With that kind of mix we ALL need to do what we can to encourage SERIOUS results and to marginalize hurtful or juvenile things. THIS IS WAR, people – – –

    In fact, in my reading of history, you may have to go back as far as Martin Luther to find a war of ideas of equal significance. Maybe some of the stuff in Voltaire’s time before the French Revolution. But I think I will stick with Martin Luther.

    OH – BTW – HAD TO ANSWER TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND TOO MANY DISTRACTIONS TODAY

    So, I will do this tomorrow, or Saturday at latest.

    Due to a recent discussion I did something that few of you seem to do. I wondered if the the Status of the Situation had evolved since I last thought I knew what was going on. So, since I had not looked very hard since the Zero Crisis was unleashed upon us, I decided to update myself on the 9/11 Pentagon situation. So tomorrow I promise to put up a short essay on my quest and tell you the current state of The Truth. Standby.

  148. SirWilliam | September 16, 2010 at 9:17 pm |
    “They did agree on one thing most important, without liberty, there is no such thing a freedom.” “a basic laws of nature for a foundation”
    ********
    What you said resonates with me. Otherwise we get what we’re seeing today: office-holders thinking the power of the OFFICE is their own personal power to wield at their whim, based on their own personal philosophy rather than according to the basic foundation which all have agreed to abide by.

    The natural law of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” as a God-given, inalienable right is, indeed, the foundation without which the Constitution and subsequent laws become merely the “stuff” of political power plays, to be twisted any which way by those usurping power for themselves.

  149. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    LM | September 17, 2010 at 12:58 am |

    ==========================

    Quick question as I don’t have time to watch this right now.
    Is this about their Euro-Socialist polices come a cropper,
    or about their problems with Islam?

  150. Promise, this is my last thought tonight.

    CC – Robyn from Berkeley speaks for many of us who had our rose colored glasses ripped off of our faces. I read her faithfully for awhile and have no excuse for not keeping up with her weekly posts. She is me and I am her.

    The passage I spoke of above to Sir William, is a similiar passage she writes about and eloquently if I may say so.

    And you are correct, sir, our liberties are being stripped away from us on a daily basis, and even those who are attempting to keep up with this madness do not see it.

    You wrote the other day your very real concern about 911 and this coup de tat and your fear/concern as to what this really means. You wanted to chat with me about this and I refused.

    I did this for a reason. First, many folks here cannot fathom that their government could be part of such a dispicable and evil act. Secondly, when I dare say anything about Zionists, many freak out, including you.

    When I use this word, it is meant solely as a political movement b/c that is what it is. I fear for my Jewish brothers and sisters b/c these Zionist madmen/women have glommed their righteous need to rule the world to ordinary, everyday Torah worshipping Jews. You know this is not the case, CC. You know the Zionist machine is wielding her power inside our government, but you refuse to discuss this reality with me or others who have brought this very real usurpation up.

    Obama said he’d stand with the Muslims, right? I say, I will stand with the Jew’s, the Muslim’s and the Christian’s and all of the other faiths practiced in America, but I will never stand with the 12 Tribes that dictate to the rest of the world how to eat, breath and live. This will never happen with me.

    The only enemy I see that America is threatened by daily is the Likud Party headed by the sociopath named Netanyahu. Does this mean I’m not intelligent enough to know the difference b/w an evil political movement vs a faith of which people believe? Heaven’s no. But that is what I and so many others deal with when we dare try to raise awareness.

    The majority of the Jewish population is scared out of their wits by the Zionist’s and their agenda. These good people did not come to America, settle here to raise their families, and to make a life for themselves to endure yet another betrayal. Therefore, knowing this, the responsibility lies with us to protect them from hate and to make sure the nightmares never return.

    The Torah loving Jew has never done anything to any people. Yet, they fear the brunt b/c of what this diablolical Zionist Party out of Israel has created for them via AIPAC and countless other J Street Lobby Firms.

    9/11 as you know and I know was an inside job. The two of us also know that the Likud Party aka Zionists, played a significant role. Denial of the facts is simply no longer acceptable. The fear is b/c the Khazar Zionists glommed onto Judaism, all Jews will be persecuted once the world accepts the true horror behind 911. This very real fear I more than understand. But we must break the glom so to speak if we are ever to embrace our freedoms again, and we must do this together – one nation under God. This I believe must occur, but we must remain mindful of our fragile Jewish brother’s and sister’s.

    It’s time we step b/w Zionism and Judaism so as to free them once and for all. My god man, isn’t a thousand years of persecution enough? Our deed as christians and muslims and all other religions today is to free our Jewish family from the wickedness of the Zion nation.

    If we don’t accept this as a truth, well then, we will all suffer equally.

  151. My questions for Meg Whitman.

    Your opponent, CA Attorney General Jerry Brown, has ignored citizen complaints about the fraudulent candidate on the CA ballot, Damon Dunn, and has refused to investigate the fraud perpetrated by him against CA citizens. Why do you ignore such a significant campaign ‘talking point’?

    Why do you ignore the issue of documented fraud perpetrated against CA voters by fraudulent voting procedures and vote counts, which is of concern to millions of CA citizens?

    Finally, why do you ignore the obvious fraud in the WH?

    If you do empower grand juries in CA, I sincerely hope they indict you for your part in the cover-up of fraudulent, criminal activities of which you are already aware.

  152. Michelle | September 17, 2010 at 12:26 am |

    I can’t help but LAUGH!!

    We all told ’em so, didn’t we!!!!!!

  153. Michelle | September 17, 2010 at 12:31 am |

    Now I have to add: Good for him!!!

    C’mon Bart Stupak et al. Take advantage of this opportunity to make reparations for your unconscionable sell-out. This is the LEAST you can do.

  154. UNBELIEVABLE! MORE MUSLIM TAQIYA

  155. THE VIDEO DIDN’T APPEAR. HERE IS THE LINK!

  156. RMinNC & ARMY DAV………………………..
    Will one of you tell me where I am wrong in what I am about to ask. In the days of our M1 rifle. we qualified it on ranges up to 500 yds. This was with OPEN sights. We received scores up to 180 or (EXPERT).For someone to fire a SNIPER rifle at 222 meters using a telescopic sight yet MISSED one shot……….at 222meters is incredible. The person operating the rifle either didn’t know much about the rifle or has no idea what he/she is talking about. He she should have hit every shot dead on at 222meters. Eleven years ago when my eyesight was better I went hunting in Canada with my Winchester Super 70 rifle.which is chambered for .458 Winchester,and provides an MV at approximately 3500FPS. I killed a standing brown bear at approximately 500yds. using the open sights of the rifle. Most of my fellow hunters who went with me said it was an extremely lucky shot. I tend to agree, however I told this because while really not relavent, it tells the same story that was pretty much standard during WW2, and in the early days of the Korean war. Such shots were mostly luck but were repeated over,and over with open sights. So I ask where in hell is there any accomplishment in using a scoped sniper rifle in a 222 meter shot. The person squeezing the trigger should have made 4 shots and 4 kills. In WW1,WW2,and in the Korean war a 222 meter shot with an M1 was pretty much a kill at 222 meters ……every time, and even very often for people who hadn’t qualified there rifles at 180 to begin with. They didn’t need a sniper rifle unless there was a well hidden enemy sniper firing upon them. Even then it was more for the telescopic sight being used to locate the muzzle flash of the enemy weapon. Once located and if he was within range of the M1 he was usually dispatched with a round from an M1 (open sights). At the very least when the enemy started getting rounds within a few feet they would try to leave their hiding place . This is when a well trained 180 trained shooter would take them out. Most of the time ONE SHOT ONE KILL. It ISN’T the caliber of the rifle as much as it is the skill of the sniper. In actuality larger caliber rifles are up to a point a detriment to precision shooting. Newer sniper rifles are designed to make shots up to a mile or more.(1760 yds)or (1609.34 meters). The speed of the round is far in excess of the sound. The person falls dead, then shortly thereafter the report is heard. Nowadays the report is muffled as well. At distances of a mile it is doubtful that there will even be any shot heard.

  157. I forgot to add that the M1 rifle was only used beginning in WW2. It was not used in WW1. The Springfield 1903 A3 bolt action was the predominant rifle,although there was later versions 1905, and others. There were no semi automatic rifles used by the US or our Allies in WW1, except for the BAR. With regard to the BAR I am not completely sure that it made it into service before WW1 ended. Need to check this out.

  158. There are some sniper rifles that are chambered up to .500 cal. They do indeed let the person who fires it know that something with a “lot of whiskers” went out the muzzle of the rifle. This manifests itself when you discover that after firing it you have slid backward slightly, if you are a smaller person. A little more rear end is needed to stay in one place.

  159. CCFUBO…………………………….
    Once again I need to ask where and when did you fire the SNIPER rifle? These are pretty tightly controlled by the armories, and usually issued only under special circumstances. If somebody allowed you to either possess one or fire one on a range the person who allowed this had to have checked the weapon out of an armory to begin with. The larger calibres are fairly recent additions to our infantry rifles. Perhaps you will be so kind as to at least enlighten us WHERE you fired the rifle. There are only a handful of sniper training facilities in the US. Just to tempt you I will even give you a handicap. Fort Lewis Washington.is one of our sniper schools. I do know where the rest are as well. I will let YOU name one of them! I am sure that ARMY DAV and RMin NC know what I am doing. Further I am sure that they too know where the sniper schools are. Wanna TAKE A GUESS?
    *******************************************************************
    My other beef with you is your asinine view of our military people. One of your sentences you even post a LOL. This sounds a little like you are laughing at our military people. You should take a trip to one of our convalescent hospitals and take a walkthrough and see if you are still ready to laugh at our people after your visit. If it is your intent to laugh at our military then I personally rank you with the ISLAMIC CRAZIES, one of whom might soon appear at your very doorstep and start firing at you. This is NOT PROBABLE but CERTAINLY remains POSSIBLE . How are you going to respond to such an attack? Do you think that your ELOQUENT grammer is going to cut any ice with your attacker? In all probability he won’t even know what you are saying. Perhaps he will attack your children first. Are you going to LET HIM DO IT? Will you laugh at any military people who offer to intervene? It is entirely possible that if you decided to laugh at them they might just drive away and leave you thinking it is all just a joke. Then you need to pay a visit to Arlington Cemetary and take a long hard look around, then you can LAUGH some more. Then there are a number of cemeteries in France that the French say are contaminating their soil. (OOOOHHHHH BBBBOOOOO HHHHOOO). The odor that they claim is coming from the graves is in reality emanating from their own STINKING rear ends, and front ends. They have NO ROOM to talk,and have a very short memory as well.. If you want to see a really SLIMEY,STINKING city,visit CANNES. You state that military people have a very thin skin. Well the only way to answer such a statement is for you to take a visit to the places I suggested. Laughing at our military sort of puts you in a JANE FONDA sort of position. Most military people considered her to be a TRAITOR. What is your excuse?

  160. CC FUBO……………………………..
    In your 12;39 AM post you mispelled the word “Sergeant”. I thought that in all of your eloquence you might want to know this. By the way there is another sniper school in Indiana but I won’t tell you where. You take a guess. Now i have told you where TWO of our sniper schools are.

  161. Uaspatriot,

    The video above should be disturbing to all. The socialist liberals have no problem using separation of church ans state against christians, but exclude themseleves. The same is true for free speech laws and other first amendment rights. They are hypocrites with the sole goal of destroying America.

    Thamks for the video

  162. !?!! | September 17, 2010 at 1:10 am |
    SirWilliam | September 16, 2010 at 9:17 pm |
    “They did agree on one thing most important, without liberty, there is no such thing a freedom.” “a basic laws of nature for a foundation”
    ********
    What you said resonates with me. Otherwise we get what we’re seeing today: office-holders thinking the power of the OFFICE is their own personal power to wield at their whim, based on their own personal philosophy rather than according to the basic foundation which all have agreed to abide by.
    ==============================
    This comment resonates with me. I think that you are starting to hit the nail on the head, and it has helped me to understand a little bit on what CC is trying to explain about the PTBs.

    Perhaps I can reframe some of the issues that we have been trying to define – issues that we have in common with our power elite.

    The problem that exists in the West, not just the USA but elsewhere as well, is that there is a group of power elites. Most of them are Marxists. Some identify themselves as “progressives”. They have one thing in common and that is they believe that they have the right to “rule” the rest of us.

    Now I am not one who is taken in by conspiracy theory, and that especially includes Trutherism, as well as the anti-Zionism that we see from one particular ranter in the comments. However, I digress from my own point. On the other hand, I can see that there now appears to be a group of people that have some kind of idea of ruling the world.

    In the past I have been involved with the Australian military – the Air Force. It is fact that at one point we were neighbours of Air Marshall Angus Huston, the present Chief of Defence Staff here in Australia. So I am familiar with the military and the corridors of power.

    Australia’s set up is quite different from your own, yet when it comes to the seat of Govt there is that familiarity. Political power is wielded at top levels of the Australian Public Service. However, the politicians are the ones who make the decisions. The Public Servants write the legislation for their ministers, which seems to be somewhat different than what happens in the USA where lobbyists tend to be extremely powerful.

    Yet, there are people behind the scenes – in universities, in business, in the unions – that influence the decisions of the government.

    Just one little point here – when the ALP attempted to introduce crap and tax last year, and this was with the connivance of the then Opposition leader, a number of citizens got busy and hit the fax machines, email etc. The result was that there was a leadership spill and Tony Abbott became the Oppostion leader. It also meant that the Crap n Tax was defeated in the Senate.

    So, we can influence the political decision making sometimes, but it is rare. On top of that crap n tax has returned to the agenda.

  163. @OldSalt79,

    I think you need to take a chill pill where CC is concerned. Clearly you are not thinking too straight and seem to be quite uspet about nothing. I think that you have missed a few points and that you see insults where there are none.
    To be honest I think that you need to have a good hard look at the crap posted by Helen, because that stuff is just plain weird.

  164. It seems that Russia’s largest online news service, Pravda, has an opinion article about Obama’s birth/records controversy on the front page.

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/17-09-2010/114965-obama_birth_certificate-0/

    No evidence of Hawaiian birth for AKA Obama. What about Kenya?

    Yesterday, there was a related story on Pravda’s front page:

    AKA Obama fans: All together now – say OMG!!

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/16-09-2010/114949-obama_fans_OMG-0/

    Both of these stories are also listed in the ‘Most Popular’ section of the Pravda’s front page. The willingness of Pravda to cover these issues indicates to me that the Obama birth/records/eligibility controversy is not going away any time soon. People (military included) do not have to get all involved in ‘conspiracy theories’ to give birth (sorry couldn’t resist) to a significant belief that Obama is not being honest about his past. All that is needed to develop such doubt is to rely on ‘common sense’.

    I also believe that most people who genuinely support the Constitution consider even a small possibility that Obama may not be eligible to serve as POTUS and issue ‘lawful orders’ a serious concern. Almost everyone knows that it would not take a great deal of transparency on Obama’s part to put the issue to bed. Even if Obama does not owe such transparency to the general public, he owes it to the military, whose members are expected to follow his ‘lawful’ orders.

    UCMJ –

    -…. Obedience to orders. It is a defense to any offense that the accused was acting pursuant to orders unless the accused knew the orders to be unlawful or a person of ordinary sense and understanding would have known the orders to be unlawful….II –109

    Is there a point when a military man or woman of ordinary sense and understanding should know that Obama’s orders are likely unlawful?

    How many articles raising questions, how statements in news articles, how many items of evidentiary value, how many statements from former Hawaiian official (Tim Adams), how many affidavits from investigators, how much money needs to be spent keeping records hidden, how many military careers must be destroyed before a person (or Joint Chief) of ordinary sense and understanding should know?

  165. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    oldsalt79 | September 17, 2010 at 3:10 am |

    RMinNC & ARMY DAV………………………..

    ================================

    Just do me one favor. Pull out a target for a 200m official competition – military or civilian – it matters not – measure it in inches diameter and then come back to me and talk about snipers and skill.

    I not only have access to own a Sako TRG-42, one of the two types of finest actual military sniper rifles ever made. These types of rifles currently hold the world record for a long “snipe”.

    My peers and friends, and yes associates, are the people who teach (not just shoot, teach) civilian and military. I don’t think you really want to get into a tiffy taffy with me on this particular subject.

  166. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    oldsalt79 | September 17, 2010 at 4:31 am |

    ===================================

    I have never disparaged a military person ever in regards their military service – I have on this blog repeatedly used the words revered, honored, hero, etc.

    I do, however, get a little irked when people use their military credentials as giving them special knowledge in areas outside their military training. A few of the things discussed here, particularly as regards LtC Lakin, are significantly enhanced by the military experience.

    For most of what we discuss here, ranging from Zero’s background and documents, tea parties, even 9/11, or jews and muslims – having a military background provides no special insight or knowledge. So, no, in the context of these topics, I don’t cut any military any special treatment.

  167. Focus. Amnesty is not the hidden goal of the “Dream Act.” I believe o is recruiting an army with foreign allegance. Why do you suppose?

  168. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Aussie | September 17, 2010 at 7:08 am |

    ================================

    Thank you for being a light bearer.

    It is not just this blog, but across the “grass roots” world there is incredible innocence and naivete about how anything works. I mentioned the other day how the Tea Party has influenced the selection of unelectable candidates. The trick is to select “right thinking” AND electable candidates. Innocence and naivete prevent understanding that. Taking it a step further, for some of the emerging “take back our government” candidates, if they do manage to get elected due to intense voter dissatisfaction with status quo – they will get absolutely crushed and railroaded by the elites. Again innocence and naivete play into this. Wisdom for the situation would be to start grooming candidates to be strong and electable, not just right. Again, unbridled enthusiasm has prevented “the movement” from understanding this yet. I can give advance notice and a heads-up, but I guess that is something that will have to be stumbled onto in good time.

  169. What about the legal team that is keeping AKA OBAMA’s college records hidden? Several people probably know what they are hiding. The best guess as to what is so secret isn’t likely to be bad grades. More likely his admission papers will say he was a foreign student, or that he was receiving financial aid as a foreign student

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/17-09-2010/114965-obama_birth_certificate-1/

    BINGO!!
    And those holding this info have had their lives threatened or threatened with horrific images of bombs placed across our lands..the Islam extremist terrorist way…
    A bit too extreme?? Based on what??
    When was the last ‘coup’ in our lands to base a ‘coup’ on??

  170. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 17, 2010 at 9:43 am |

    JJ | September 17, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    ===============================

    Sometimes both of you can be dead right and sources of valuable opinions and information. Like this. Good work. Yes, this is “Pavlov” speaking, but how else am I going to encourage helpful comments?

    This statement in my opinion is far better than a “best guess”. It is likely the core of the issue. Perhaps even more so than birth issues.

    The best guess as to what is so secret isn’t likely to be bad grades.

  171. Aussie | September 17, 2010 at 7:08 am |

    “On the other hand, I can see that there now appears to be a group of people that have some kind of idea of ruling the world.”
    ++++++++++
    When you start looking at world events and listening to the news with that idea in mind, you start seeing a lot of supporting connections and evidence.

    Things that didn’t seem to make sense before, like a vote going a certain way, or a certain governmental decision start to make sense.

    And just because people ridicule “conspiracy theories” doesn’t mean conspiracies don’t exist. We’ve just been programmed to reject, avoid, or laugh at that idea.

  172. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    ‘Tis a great conundrum of the Human Condition.

    Conspiracies actually exist here and there from time to time. In fact they are relatively common. e.g. even a simple bank robbery can be a conspiracy if it involves multiple people and especially if it is an “inside job”.

    Yet people who CHASE conspiracy theories are lunatic. Better said, disposition to see everything through the lens of CONSPIRACY is a mental illness. A direct analog with paranoia.

    People who fall prey to conspiracy theorists are rightly criticized and rebuked. Then all conspiracy theories get broad brushed under the rubric of insanity. And all sane people become very gun shy of wearing tin hats.

    Which means all the sane people then miss – or are blindsided by – the true conspiracies.

    Like I said – a true conundrum.

  173. CC
    “These people may just attach themselves to a DIFFERENT guru and believe themselves relieved and enlightened?”
    Who’s Your Daddy? The Psychology of Most People’s Voting
    By Sam Sewell

    I don’t know who played in the Super bowl this year. I don’t even know when the Super bowl was or where it was. I once scheduled a seminar at a church for the Sunday evening of the Super bowl and didn’t find out until the following day why no one showed up for our usually well-attended events. I almost never know who is playing in the World Series. When Brokeback Mountain star Heath Ledger’s death made the headlines, I had never heard of him. Football fans, baseball fans, and movie fans could scarcely imagine that there are millions of people who don’t know anything about these three popular activities. Many more people keep up with the news about these activities than keep up with political news. Sure there are political “fans,” but they are scarce compared to sports fans. Pew found that seventy eight percent knew who Payton Manning is (I don’t) and 73% knew who Beyonce is (I don’t). But only twenty one percent knew who Robert Gates is.

    Only about half of Americans can name the Vice President. When asked a direct question only 37% of people know who their state governor is. That number increases to 65% when the correct name is given in a multiple choice question. Even fewer can name their U.S senator or congressman. When it comes to State Representatives the figure falls to about 20%. And name recognition is the American public’s strong suit. Even if they could name their representative, when asked to identify two issues the politician stands for, the percentage drops to only 15%.When they are asked if they know what political party their representative belongs to, a whopping 68% say they don’t know or aren’t sure. But wait, it gets worse; Three quarters of Americans can correctly identify two of Show White’s seven dwarfs while only a quarter can name two Supreme Court Justices. According to the poll by Zogby International, 57 percent of Americans could identify J.K. Rowling’s fictional boy wizard as Harry Potter, while only 27% could name both of their U.S. senators. Only 42 percent of those surveyed could list the three branches of our government. But seventy-five percent could name the Three Stooges.
    One reality TV show recently interviewed twenty-something models. They didn’t know who Condoleezza Rice is and one of them thought George Bush was Vice-President.

    All of these people are eligible to vote! Most folks have no idea what issues are supported by the two major parties. Even when it comes time to vote they vote for the “person” and can not tell you what the platform of the party might be. People vote for whom they like. So, the conservative political “fans” are flabbergasted that someone like John McCain can be elected to represent the Republican Party. A clue was presented that must have puzzled most political “fans.” Remember when the electorate didn’t react negatively to Rudy Giuliani’s comments about illegal immigrants not being illegal? His numbers stayed at the top. Rudy’s national polling numbers didn’t change because people found out he favored gun control, gay rights, or dressed in drag. It wasn’t until the public found out that he cheated on Mom, broke up the family, married the other woman, and his kids hated him, that his numbers went down. He was a bad Dad!

    What is the human motivation that allows people to overlook “issues” but rather choose a politician for his personality traits? A partial answer to that question was provided by Erich Fromm in his book Escape from Freedom. Fromm received his PhD from Heidelberg in 1922 and began a career as a psychotherapist. He moved from Germany to the United States in 1938, giving witness to his love of freedom.

    Freud thought human personality was determined by conditioning having an effect on biology. Marx saw people’s lives as determined by their social and economic systems. Erich Fromm challenged these two reigning intellectual systems of his time with the idea of freedom. Fromm originally wrote Escape from Freedom in 1941 to explore the psychological reasons for the success of Nazism in Germany. If one were to pair this Fromm classic with Eric Hoffer’s 1951 bestseller The True Believer, a rich understanding of human political behavior would emerge. Fromm makes freedom of the individual a central characteristic of human nature. Hoffer documents the evil that is endemic to mass movements. One might think that these two concepts are held over against one another in antithesis, but they actually reinforce one another.
    A little bit of history is required to understand this. One example of lack of individual freedom is represented by animals, and humans who have not transcended their animal nature and are controlled by a Freudian biological determinism. Animals and unenlightened humans don’t worry about freedom; instincts and conditioning are the determining factors. Such life forms accept what life offers and mostly adjust to whatever reality they inhabit.

    An example of political and economic lack of individual freedom is the pre-Renaissance feudal society of the Middle Ages. Personal freedom was not conceivable for most people in the Middle Ages. Basically, if your father was a peasant, you’d be a peasant. If your father was a king, you would become a king.

    So for most of human history there was very little individual freedom and there were very few mass movements. This simple life began to be transformed when people started to see individual humans as being important to the universal scheme of things. First came the Renaissance, and then came the Reformation, which introduced the idea of each of us being individually responsible for our own soul’s salvation behind the rallying cry “Every man his own Priest.” And then came the overthrow of kings and democratic revolutions.

    Now we were expected to govern ourselves, and we all had a hand in determining our destiny and making collective policy. So the idea of the individual, with individual thoughts, decision-making authority, personal emotions, moral conscience, freedom, and intimidating responsibility came into being. But with individuality came isolation, alienation, and bewilderment. Freedom is a difficult thing to have, and Fromm believed that when we can, we tend to flee from it. Escaping from freedom is now a primary motivating factor of our species. Because the need to escape from individual freedom emerged in human consciousness, mass movements began to appear in human society. Fromm sheds light on the dynamics with two thoughts:
    “The person who gives up his individual self and becomes an automaton, identical with millions of other automatons around him, need not feel alone and anxious any more. But the price he pays, however, is high; it is the loss of his self.”

    And

    “This loss of identity then makes it still more imperative to conform, it means that one can be sure of oneself only if one lives up to the expectations of others. If we do not live up to this picture, we not only risk disapproval and increased isolation, but we risk losing the identity of our personality, which means jeopardizing sanity.”

    Erich Fromm can tell us a lot about what is behind how most people vote. He makes the point that most people are terrified of being an on-their-own, take-care-of-themselves, free, adult human being. So, we attach ourselves to surrogate family units and surrogate parents to escape from our freedom. That translates to belonging to and becoming psychologically dependant organizations as diverse as the company for which we work and our boss, to the church we attend and its clergy, and the political party to which we belong and the parent figure who gets our vote. Identifying with the group becomes our new collective identity, and we surrender our individual identity and freedom.

    Ask any priest, pastor, rabbi, teacher, psychotherapist, supervisor, or elected official and they will be happy to confirm that the people they deal with are all trying to work out their childhood agendas on any available authority figure.

    Some of us want a ‘sugar daddy’ and a ‘sugar family’ who takes care of us, and we cede our personal power and freedom to this Democrat Parent/Party who promises security. The details of politics and policy positions pale into insignificance when compared to the need to escape from personal freedom and responsibility.

    Some of us want a ‘strong daddy’ who will protect us from danger and who expects us to be strong as well, and we vote for a Republican Parent/Party. We need to belong to a strong family with a strong leader so we will be safe. And once again, the details don’t really matter that much.No matter whom we are voting for we are voting for our kind of family, and our kind of parent. Most folks look at the candidate for the qualities they want that will fill their psychological needs.

    The issues aren’t nearly as important as the personal evaluation of the person’s character. If they like the person and trust them to be “their kind of parent,” they will vote for them.

    Some voters still embrace their personal freedom and the responsibility that comes along with it. They study the issues and they vote on the issues. But sadly, they are a distinct minority. Don’t expect the American people to vote on issues. They almost never do. My guess is that more people will vote on how the candidate looks than what the candidate thinks. They vote for whoever meets their personal psychological needs. Thus someone like John McCain can lead the Republican Party even though the “party’s issues” run contrary to his thinking.
    ~~~~~~~~~
    Here are two more links th help explain voters psychology:
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/09/psychological-explanation-for-appeal-of.html

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-i-think-some-liberals-fewer.html

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