General Seth Pomeroy, American Revolution, Patriots, They fought and died for our chance to save this country, Lest we forget

General Seth Pomeroy, American Revolution, Patriots

One of the things that keeps me going when I am tired or discouraged is the memory of all those who sacrificed, suffered and died to give us the privilege to defend and save this country.

From a comment placed on this blog a few minutes ago by commenter Mia.

“CW — I know you’ve already posted a new thread, but I hope you still see this. I wanted to thank you for this tribute to Bunker Hill. My great(x7)-grandfather fought at Bunker Hill. I thought you might appreciate this quote from him re the Revolution: “I go cheerfully, for I am sure the cause we are engaged in is just and the call I have to it is clear and the call of God.” He wrote this in his last letter to his wife. He died about a week later (illness) while preparing for battle with the English in Peekskill, NY. By the time of the Revolution, he was past the age of service, but volunteered nevertheless. And tho he was a commissioned officer, he was also very humble and fought as infantry, rather than step on anyone’s toes. He’s not well known now, but was considered quite the hero then. There is a monument to the Pomeroy family in his hometown of Northampton, MA (http://www.americanpomeroys.org/Northampton.html), and one honoring him in Peekskill (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9D03E3DA1738E433A2575BC1A9609C94699ED7CF).

Hope you find this interesting, and maybe even a little bit inspiring. And as always, thank you for all you do.”

“The Northampton, MA Pomeroy Anvil Monument

The Northampton Monument commemorates Eltweed Pomeroy’s son Medad and his descendants who settled in Northampton MA in the 1660s. The monument also pays tribute to brothers General Seth Pomeroy and Lieutenant Daniel Pomeroy.Front InscriptionIn 1660 Medad Pomeroy accepted an offer of tools, an anvil shaped like
this replica, and land in exchange for opening a blacksmith shop in
Northampton. That anvil was passed through many generations
of Pomeroy blacksmiths becoming a symbol of the family.His grandson, General Seth Pomeroy, was one of many
Pomeroy gunsmiths and blacksmiths in Northampton.
A patriot and father of nine, Seth served in the
Massachusetts militia and saw action as a Major
at Louisbourg in 1745 and as Lt. Col. at the Battle
of Lake George, NY in 1755. In that battle, which
started as the Bloody Morning Scout, his brother
Lt. Daniel Pomeroy and many other sons of
Northampton were lost.

At age 69 in 1775, Seth fought at Bunker Hill.
George Washington then offered him the
commission of Brigadier-General which he declined
due to his age. He died of pleurisy in Peekskill, NY
in 1777 while on a march with his militia unit
to join General Washington in Morristown, NJ.”

http://www.americanpomeroys.org/Northampton.html

222 responses to “General Seth Pomeroy, American Revolution, Patriots, They fought and died for our chance to save this country, Lest we forget

  1. Tur on and watch Glen Beck on Fox News. NOW

  2. Turn

  3. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Tennessean Newspaper (I did NOT buy it. I found it in the GARBAGE at the BP)

    Evidently, because BHO Cohort Mayor Dean didn’t have the sense to get the Metro Buses out of the way of the Flood, Nashville lost 87 buses to Flood damage. That is 2/3’s (Two Thirds) of the entire Fleet.

    Now Mayor Dean is begging other Cities to lend him buses. Supposedly 30 are on the way from Cincinati & Memphis.

    The Night before the WORST FLOODING BHO Supporter Mayor Dean was on Television laughing with Serpas about the FLOOD and saying, “The worst is over. You’ll wake up tomorrow and see the Sun shining.”

  4. Leo Patrick Haffey

    The good news is that I drove around downtown Nashville today and all the streets are clear of flood waters.

  5. ms Helga.. I missed Beck.. What happened?

  6. I can’t get into see Dr. Manning’s new YouTube, can anyone else? Maybe it’s posted somewhere else, I hope.

  7. Jacqlyn Smith

    I love this comment from Robb over at AGJ…perfect for some folks here as well..

    Comment Author: RobbRyder
    Comment Date: 2010-05-13 16:05:24
    Comment ID: 24556 [Respond]
    Comment:
    BeenLiedtoAgain , RAP is not requiring you to do anything.. you can stay in the system you know.. If your convinced in your heart that RAP is a fraud, then stay away.. Stay a 14th amendment citizen.

  8. Philo-Publius

    Beck did more exposing of Crime Inc. and their motives to collapse the economies of all industrialized nations so they can redistribute U.S. wealth and institute a global government. He named names, i.e. “All the President’s men”.

  9. Dear Mia,

    Thanks so much for sharing your family history on your *GREAT* grandfather. I’m truly impressed. I really enjoyed reading the New York Times, June 18, 1898, article, In Memory of Gen. Pomeroy. It was quite a write up; not missing a detail of the days event. You should be proud. Thanks again!

  10. J.S…. Was the Fourteenth amendment even ever ratified? I am all for getting rid of that amendment by placing it in front of the states for them to null and void it. When the origional 13 states agreed to form the United States, that is when we became a corporation. But the Federal Government was only suppose to regulate interstate commerce, not interfere with the state soverignty. It seems to me the easiest way to end this is for the states to secede. What realy upset me about RAP was to hear them negotiating with foreign countries. .. I would love to get things back to where they should be. I just do NOT trust anyone if they include foreign countries in this….

  11. Jacqlyn Smith

    For those interested in hearing Sam Davis (Apparently Sam Kennedy has issues with him).. he will be on the following Talkshoe tonight..

    Sam Davis Tonight on Angela’s Talkshoe
    Sam will give us an update on what’s been going on.

    Everybody’s welcome. This is gonna be good. See you tonight!
    Angela

    Angela’s Talkshoe
    http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/39904

    Call in
    (724) 444-7444
    Call ID 39904

    6:PM pdt 9:PM edt

  12. I would also like to see The Act of 1871 repelled if no state secedes. Then Washington, DC would also be a state and have to exist under the same rule of law. They sure dont now..

  13. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    amy1 // May 13, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    J.S…. Was the Fourteenth amendment even ever ratified? I am all for getting rid of that amendment by placing it in front of the states for them to null and void it. When the origional 13 states agreed to form the United States, that is when we became a corporation. But the Federal Government was only suppose to regulate interstate commerce, not interfere with the state soverignty. It seems to me the easiest way to end this is for the states to secede. What realy upset me about RAP was to hear them negotiating with foreign countries. .. I would love to get things back to where they should be. I just do NOT trust anyone if they include foreign countries in this….
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    amy1….here is a good link to read about the unconstitutional 14th amendment…..too much info on it for me to type…I have jury training in a little while….

    http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html

    RAP is not negotiating for foreign countries….this is a world wide dilemma….it affects every country in the world…including China….like it or not….we are all in this together!! You say you would love to get things back where they should be…..and where is that….I don’t know how old you are but I doubt you have ever lived under real freedom!

  14. For those who do not understand about U>S> being a corporation, here is a good link…http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm

  15. J.S. I am old enough that I am partly retired… I remember as a child when sugar was rationed..lol

  16. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    amy1 // May 13, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    I would also like to see The Act of 1871 repelled if no state secedes. Then Washington, DC would also be a state and have to exist under the same rule of law. They sure dont now..
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    amy1….do you know that DC is not owned by us??

  17. JS.. I know. Thats why it should be repealed.. They could either live like we do or take their bodies out ofAmerica

  18. We also need to get rid of the Federal Reserve.

  19. I am so moved and inspired by this account of the Pomeroys, hearty souls who gave their lives in exchange for freedom for their families and their descendants. For them, duty had no age limit. I am so impressed with their bravery and their dedication to their new nation.

    We reap the fruits of their sacrifices. May we never allow tyranny to supersede the government of, by, and for the people, for which they laid down their lives in valour and honor.

    My deepest thanks to their families. Hat over my heart in memoriam.

  20. The incorporation of the U.S. and the RAP (pronounced New World Oder) plan are seperate entities. RAP just feeds off of the other. It breeds hysteria and then throws in some religion (because if you can’t debate on fact, throw in some proverbs to set the defectors straight).

    As children of God (or children of this earth) we are born with rights. Rights are universal, government is by WE THE PEOPLE. That RAP believes they have “God given authority” to overthrow our government is disturbing. That their agenda aligns with that of the NWO is alarming. That this relentless recruitment continues is mind boggling.

  21. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    amy1 // May 13, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    JS.. I know. Thats why it should be repealed.. They could either live like we do or take their bodies out ofAmerica
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    That’s one of the things TT says we will be trying to do….get DC back!

  22. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    amy1 // May 13, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    We also need to get rid of the Federal Reserve.
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    I don’t think you will need to worry about that….I think it will be going away but replaced with something like the US Treasury where the currency is actually backed by gold or something…..What I have been told is that the the way the Feds are surviving right now is off of the people’s bonds…..the governors bonds were arrested so they can’t get money from them…I can’t explain the bond business…..someone else will have to do that!!

  23. Jacqlyn Smith

    Prairie // May 13, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    The incorporation of the U.S. and the RAP (pronounced New World Oder) plan are seperate entities. RAP just feeds off of the other. It breeds hysteria and then throws in some religion (because if you can’t debate on fact, throw in some proverbs to set the defectors straight).

    As children of God (or children of this earth) we are born with rights. Rights are universal, government is by WE THE PEOPLE. That RAP believes they have “God given authority” to overthrow our government is disturbing. That their agenda aligns with that of the NWO is alarming. That this relentless recruitment continues is mind boggling.
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    Wow….that’s exactly what you do Prairie….told on yourself! Again you have misconstrued everything anyone here says about RAP…BTW…no one is recruiting you…..I believe like Robb said…..

    “RAP is not requiring you to do anything.. you can stay in the system you know.. If your convinced in your heart that RAP is a fraud, then stay away.. Stay a 14th amendment citizen.”

    Now that’s a scary thing….staying a 14th amendment citizen!

  24. r.b.
    If you are out there, what was that other site you mentioned? Was going to bookmark, then lost in the thread spot. Thanks in advance.

  25. where can i research this rap, that you guys are talking about all the time…ive even seen it on other blogs?

  26. So if you can remain a 14th amendment citizen, then what is the cost to revert back? Is that what’s going on? Mass seminars to become sovereign citizens?

  27. I guess women won’t be able to vote again…
    what about the 19th amendment?

  28. JS, Prairie,

    Just let it go. Neither one of you are going to be able to convince the other one. Let it go and allow people to make their own decisions and stop the brow-beating. It all causes strife, and then who would listen after that? No one!

    So don’t ruin your friendship. One can agree, and the other can disagree, but you can still remain friends without throwing insults at each other.

    Honestly, I say this in kindness and am not trying to promote strife in any way, shape or form. Whatever a person does, allow that person to make their own decisions about things. I mean, Yahweh allows each of us to choose, he gives us the choice and does not force us. No one yet knows what tomorrow holds, do we? I may not be here to talk to either of you tomorrow because I may die tonight.

    See, we can’t control tomorrow. No matter what this person says, what that person says, we don’t have control over many things. A tornado could hit our house tonight.

    Show the same kindness to each other, and before long, you’ll be friends again.

  29. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    confloyd // May 13, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    where can i research this rap, that you guys are talking about all the time…ive even seen it on other blogs?
    *****************************************

    This is the official site….start here..

    http://www.restoreamericaplan.net/

    here is another that has a lot of info as well….

    http://letsrestoreamerica.blogspot.com/

    This link is good if you want to deprogram..

    http://www.deprogram.us/visual/

  30. Kim,
    I have heard reports on the AGJ site that the seminars cost around $7,000. You can get your DNA tested and get a biometric ID as well. So, if one signs away their U.S. citizenship to become a sovereign person (I assume you can’t be both), do they loose all rights like fair trial and voting? Hmmm…

  31. Jacqlyn Smith

    kittycat….don’t waste your time….Prairie is all about making RAP into NWO!!

  32. Leo Patrick Haffey // May 13, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Evidently, because BHO Cohort Mayor Dean didn’t have the sense to get the Metro Buses out of the way of the Flood, Nashville lost 87 buses to Flood damage. That is 2/3′s (Two Thirds) of the entire Fleet.
    *******************
    Leo,
    Shades of Katrina, isn’t it.

  33. IMO, the Constitution must be restored to it’s original version and intent w/o corruption (14th amendment citizens and the IRS)
    No way can there be a choice to remain 14th amendment citizens!
    I am becoming convinced that RAP has been infiltrated.

  34. RAP is a TRAP, you’ve got a pal in Tim Turner…
    LOL

  35. Leo Patrick Haffey

    DABIG // May 13, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Leo Patrick Haffey // May 13, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Evidently, because BHO Cohort Mayor Dean didn’t have the sense to get the Metro Buses out of the way of the Flood, Nashville lost 87 buses to Flood damage. That is 2/3′s (Two Thirds) of the entire Fleet.
    *******************
    Leo,
    Shades of Katrina, isn’t it.”

    Worse than the STUPIDITY in Katrina. Nagin was caught off guard. He expected the levees to hold.

    BHO Cohort Mayor Dean, knew that there was flooding in Nashville already. He is the mayor and it was his duty to think of the likelihood that the buses which were near the River would flood. He had plenty of time to move the buses, to the Fairgrounds which were not flooded but he didn’t have the sense to get the buses out of danger of the flood.

    The Night before the WORST FLOODING BHO Supporter Mayor Dean was on Television laughing with Serpas about the FLOOD and saying, “The worst is over. You’ll wake up tomorrow and see the Sun shining.”

  36. Bill Cutting

    Mia, CW

    Thanks for sharing that story.

    Truly inspiring!!

  37. Leo Patrick Haffey @5:26 pm
    So glad to hear that the flood waters are gone, it must look like a frightful mess.
    “Evidently, because BHO Cohort Mayor Dean didn’t have the sense to get the Metro Buses out of the way of the Flood, Nashville lost 87 buses to Flood damage. That is 2/3′s (Two Thirds) of the entire Fleet.”
    I’m sorry the people of Nashville have such an idiot for Mayor-he could have listened to the weather channel and/or moved the buses to high ground-prepare for the worst, but hope for the best. How long might that have taken anyway?

  38. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Yes – all – the 14th amendment is the key to everything. That is one reason I don’t get all lathered up (or all weeweed up, as the current saying is) about all these other things.

    That was the single act that upended our constitution and way of life. And, indeed, it was never ratified properly.

    The 14th is the main reason that when they teach Constitutional Law in universities, they don’t even read the constitution, they just study Supreme Court case law.

    Prior to the 14th the constitution was all about what the Feds could or could not do. Since the 14th, the National Order has been inverted – and become a hierarchy with Feds at top and States underneath. The constitution is now applied to the states (legal term: incorporated against the states).

    Originally, no state or individual could commit a constitutional offense, only the Feds. Now various states or individuals (or businesses) can get hauled into Federal court for not following some element of the constitution or violating someone’s rights.

    That is why the Supreme Court has become the ultimate arbiter of Constitutional Law. (It makes no sense for the USSC to police the Feds – after all they are part of the Feds – but it sure makes a lot of sense for them to be the arm of the Feds that applies to constitution to everybody else.) How often do you see the Federal Government as a defendant on a USSC case? Not very often – defendants are usually some state or commercial entity or person who is accused of ‘violating the constitution’.

    It’s even worse than that! Most Federal big wigs don’t even admit the constitution applies to the Feds (Nancy Pelosi: “Are you serious”?), they act as if it only applied to the states! Very specifically it has become (in common understanding and in USSC case law) as the hammer the Feds use to control the states rather than the other way around as intended.

    Originally the Feds were the ONLY ones who could be a defendant because they were the only ones who were controlled by the constitution. The states were sovereign – they could do what they wanted – they were each controlled by their own legislatures, their own citizens, etc. – they were not beholden to the Federal Government in any way.

    I want the 14th repealed. It is illegal and the Founding Fathers would have fainted. However, the entire current structure of the US, the entire Federal paradigm, the rule of the central government, all constitutional case law are based on the 14th. More so than you can possibly imagine – it is THE foundation of our current society.

    I don’t know how to repeal this horrendous pile of garbage without totally imploding the country. It would be like pulling the key card in the foundation of the house of cards. We would be in economic ruin – and totally laid wide open to foreign invasion.

    So I think TPTB will just say to learn to live with it – it is spilled milk – it cannot be undone. They may be right. SIGH.

    Think on these things, dear ones. The truth will set you free.

  39. JS, I had knowledge about US as a corporation over a year ago. I had researched it extensively and found the premise sound. I was posting information here, The South was too, but it was mostly ignored.
    I truly believe we need to dismantle the fake corporate trappings on our Constitution that are negating the laws that keep our government in check.
    But many things are not right about these wild rambling incoherent statements you are bringing here from RAP. It is the unicorn in the room. It is a fantasy.

  40. Leo Patrick Haffey

    14th Amendment

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    What is wrong with 14th Amendment? Please cite the text of the 14th Amendment as I have and specifically state what it is that you find objectionable or unconstitutional and cite the text of the Constitution that the 14th Amendment violates. Please.

  41. Leo Patrick Haffey @ 8:40 pm
    That was true about Nagin, New Orleans came through the Hurricane really well, when those dykes broke then all holy H…broke loose. FL went through Hurricane Katrina too but I can’t remember if New Orleans got it first or we did-
    Rita, Wilma, Katrina all a blur. One was so bad no power for a week in our neighborhood, trees down all over the place-some folks without power weeks, months etc. Lots of tornados too. We had 3 bad hurricane years back to back, the weirdest one was went from A-Z and into the Greek alphabet, so they sort of blend in our minds. Keep us informed about Nashville, everyone cares. How do the people look, tired, shell shocked, everybody in the neighborhood out working?, probably giant piles of things that have to be thrown out.

  42. Leo, for one, doesn’t the 14th amendment create anchor babies?

  43. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Michelle,

    “Keep us informed about Nashville, everyone cares. How do the people look, tired, shell shocked, everybody in the neighborhood out working?, probably giant piles of things that have to be thrown out.”

    Drove around Downtown Nashville today. All the Flood water is gone. The only thing different that I noticed was most the business near the River have shut down, alot of FOR SALE & FOR Lease signs on Wharehouses.

    The Night before the WORST FLOODING BHO Supporter Mayor Dean was on Television laughing with Serpas about the FLOOD and saying, “The worst is over. You’ll wake up tomorrow and see the Sun shining.”

    The worst devastation is in the Neighborhoods particularly Bellevue which is near my home. Many people have lost everything they own. There was no way that they could have saved their homes. We have friends whose homes were flooded to the roofs, but people were killed because they went to bed believing what Mayor Dean and Serpas told them.

    With thousands of people homeless and hungry I expect things to get very bad here by the end of the summer.

  44. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Here is a specific topic that will set your head spinning in regards the 14th amendment.

    Gun Rights

    In a landmark case, some months ago, the USSC made an important ruling. When the 2nd amendment says that gun rights shall not be infringed, it does indeed mean individuals and not just militias or other organizations.

    Amazingly enough, until that ruling this topic had never made it to the USSC and had never been clarified. They came up with the right answer, but as you might guess in a 5:4 split decision. Just unbelievable.

    Now we have a new case in the USSC right now that comes out of Chicago. This question is who specifically does the “not infringe” apply to?

    Clearly the original intent was for the 2nd amendment to apply to the Feds. i.e. the Feds could not make any law infringing gun rights. The states could do whatever they wanted and the local governments and businesses could do whatever the state governments allowed them to do.

    If you understand the terminology, please know as a fact that the 2nd amendment has never before been “incorporated against the states”. [As a result of the 14th amendment, the entire constitution (and bill of rights) did not get immediately incorporated in toto against the states – much USSC case law for the last 150+ years has been deciding just which bits get incorporated and how. But never until now has anybody gotten a case to like this on Gun Rights to the USSC.]

    So, with that background, here is the head spinning dilemma:

    1. As a states-rights activist, I would love to seem them flaunt the 14th amendment and say that the 2nd is not incorporated against the states and that they have the sovereignty to govern themselves in this matter.

    2. As a gun-rights activist, I would like to see the USSC follow their own precedent and incorporate the 2nd amendment against the states – thereby preventing the states from enacting infringing restrictions.

    The case has already been heard and is being deliberated now. The ruling is expected in mid June.

    Anybody taking bets?

  45. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Kim // May 13, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Leo, for one, doesn’t the 14th amendment create anchor babies?”

    14th Amendment

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

    Not exactly. I doubt that anyone envisoned anchor babies. It was written for the emancipated slaves. What was the alternative to making them US citizens?

  46. JS,

    You have so much passion, and rightly so if this works. What I’m trying to tell you is this, y’all two are not going to agree. Please listen. I’m saying this because I’ve been on here a long time now off and on, and I hate to witness two people split up when they’re just always going to disagree RIGHT NOW. Maybe a time will come when that will not be the case. I surely hope so, and when it does, you can hug each other when that happens! You’ll both be on the better side of it and will make you both stronger, as it will hopefully the rest of us!

    There is way too much strife in this world right now. I hope that at least y’all two can be friends. You’re not going to agree, and I know our friend SueK would probably tell you this too.

    One throwing insults to another is not a good thing, and it’s brow-beating to me. I hate that. Brow-beating is what the liberals do. We’re not liberals. We are people who can work out things even if we have differences, hopefully work it out. It takes reasoning on both sides.

    So I’m wondering here, if people want to know, invite them to AGJ or allow them to e-mail you personally. I’m sure you’d take up that offer, and it would stop this bickering and brow-beating.

    Your passion really is great! I do understand the love you have for your country, but please don’t allow your passion to split up your friendships. Keep in mind this thing, they don’t know what you know yet. I’m listening, but I have a limited time to even listen. Still, I’m listening to y’all and taking it in as I can, and I periodically ask questions. This is all that I can do right now.

    Look, Prairie has great qualities, such a wonderful poet, and I bet she loves this country too as much as we do. None of this country is the way that it should be, which it hasn’t been for a long, long time, but right now, it’s all that we have. I’d still rather live here right now than in Iran, wouldn’t you? I mean, it’s sick, sicker and sickest there.

    I’ve personally witnessed third-world countries up close and personal, and take Egypt, the Arabs there treat their animals better than their women, and they beat their donkeys. So that shows me that we still have it good here. If you want oppression, go to a third-world country.

    And I’m not trying to make light of what we’re going through here either. It’s not good, because this is America, for however long that it lasts.

  47. Leo Patrick Haffey @ 9:06 pm
    Thanks Leo, I couldn’t figure out how people drowned in their cars in expressway traffic, all I could surmise was the water either came up real fast or they had no warning (in this day and age).
    When the Region-all the folks on the Coast including New Orleans-involved several states-AL, MS more but I can’t remember. My brother is in construction and all supplies to FL were redirected to the Region (for the emergencies I imagine) until they could get a grip on the mess.
    Hopefully much need cash will be raised for Nashville, no wonder they haven’t put this on the national news, a giant cover-up of stupidity. Are there enough bank owned homes, the folks could move into? As a flood victim myself the homes close to the river, I would not rebuild, but the people in Nashville would know much better what to do.

  48. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Carlyle,

    Case law can be overturned. So I don’t see the problem. We have 4 conservative Justices and Kennedy who swings to the conservative side. We just need to legally remove BHO & cohorts in congress before they pack the court with communists.

    Amy comment points to the biggest concern about the 14th.

  49. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    To answer another question (as the 14th and it’s ramification are something of a specialty of mine):

    The 14th does not create anchor babies. That comes from bad immigration law. We have the power to fix the immigration law – unfortunately the whole topic of immigration reform is leaning in the wrong way – so it will be especially difficult to fix. Vote wisely, grasshopper.

    The confusion comes from the direction of the combined 13th and 14th amendments to make citizens all that are born here. Clearly this was to address the slavery issue and to make instant citizens of all the slaves. Once that was done, there is no reason to perpetuate it.

    You have to stretch the meaning of these amendments as thin as a 12″ gum bubble to believe that that provision was meant forever. Clearly there was no intent to make such a major revision (out of the blue) to immigration law – certainly not such a stupid change. You will not find one “original intent” document that says otherwise.

    Yet, of course, unscrupulous sorts CLAIM that the 14th forces them to recognize anchor babies. Balderdash.

  50. Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. The Immigration and Naturalization Act sets forth the legal requirements for the acquisition of, and divestiture from, citizenship of the United States.

    The requirements have become more explicit since the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, with the most recent changes to statutory law having been made by the United States Congress in 2001.

    Interesting that they made changes in 2001.

  51. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Michelle

    no wonder they haven’t put this on the national news, a giant cover-up of stupidity. YES.

    Are there enough bank owned homes, the folks could move into? NO CITY “leaders” have suggested that. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO ALL THOSE FAMILIES. I IMAGINE MANY WILL MOVE AWAY LIKE THE PEOPLE OF NEW ORLEANS DID.

    As a flood victim myself the homes close to the river, I would not rebuild, but the people in Nashville would know much better what to do.” SOME OF THE WORST FLOODING WAS FROM CREEKS & SMALL RIVERS LIKE THE HARPETH. There was even flood damage just down the street from us from the creek.

  52. The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment,[5] although it has generally been assumed that they are.[6] A birth certificate issued by a U.S. state or territorial government is evidence of citizenship, and is usually accepted as proof of citizenship.

  53. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Kim // May 13, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution expressly gives the United States Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization. The Immigration and Naturalization Act sets forth the legal requirements for the acquisition of, and divestiture from, citizenship of the United States.

    The requirements have become more explicit since the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, with the most recent changes to statutory law having been made by the United States Congress in 2001.

    Interesting that they made changes in 2001.”

    Makes you think the Socialists & Communists had a plan after their guy gore lost in 2000.

  54. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Kim // May 13, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment…” So there is hope yet if we can legally remove BHO & his cohorts in congress and get a couple more conservative, originalists, strict constructionists on the bench.

  55. Leo Patrick Haffey @ 9:24 pm
    That’s what got us in Illinois a creek, which turned into a raging river, it affected about 20 towns. The river must have turned into a raging ocean. People who have not been through something like this cannot imagine, I know I had to experience it to understand it. Many New Orleans folks went to relatives and friends-lots here in FL, all people tried to help as best they could. If the CW stars raise heaps of money, maybe they will have enough cash to purchase bank owned homes, that is what the people really need, so you sleep on the floor for months-years in my case, but eventually you get so much stuff you have to start donating it to the Veterans, I love them they pick-up. Last time I cleaned out the house the porch was 3/4s full.

  56. Dabig says ….
    Question:
    Did this blog get turned over to RAP and their correspondent JS?
    There’s quite alot of fighting and bickering going on here, is this all necessary?
    This is really getting obsessive and ugly people. Can’t you argue via email? Can’t we ALL just get along?
    JS, of lately almost every time I visit CW, you’re in some fight to the death, step back fair-lady, take a breather. Like you’ve said it’s not your responsibility to convince others let them seek it out on their own.

    ******************************************

    Agree !!

  57. I guess BO really isn’t going to help TN, then, right? Just figures, and no one of the media blasts him for it like they did Pres. Bush.

  58. THE FOLLOWING IS OT BUT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE SS# ISSUE ABOUT TWO THREADS BACK.
    First of all I can’t for the life of me understand how so many people can twist words and thoughts into so many meanings,some of which sound as though the person making the point is either totally insane, stoned out of their mind,or totally unable to read, or all of these reasons. They are trying to say that people are misstating the issue about Obama’s SS#,because the Social Security System didn’t exist in 1890. NO SH#T DICK TRACY!!!We know this. It is he who is making this statement that needs to get himself or herself an education. Now once again we will state the truth of the Obama SS # issue. It is alleged that the SS# that Obama is PRESENTLY using was originally issued to a person who was B-O-R-N……….(once again so your LITTLE MINDS CAN GRASP what I am sayng)….B-O-R-N in 1890. This is NOT when the SS card was issued to that person. It was not issued until 1936 to the person who was, (AGAIN) B-O-R-N
    in 1890 at which point he would have been 46 years of age when he was first registered. Do you understand now?
    This didn’t occur on CW. It occurred on another blog which contained so much lunatic fantasy I couldn’t stand being there. I had to leave quickly. I still cannot believe that there are so many people whose intelligence quotient reads at about 30, and are trying to talk about stuff that they so badly misunderstand. Hopefully these people have someone to read for them at voting time.

  59. Obama Flashback: A Supreme Court Nominee With No Judicial Experience Requires Extreme Scrutiny

    http://poedpatriot.blogspot.com/2010/05/obama-flashback-supreme-court-nominee.html

  60. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Michelle // May 13, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Leo Patrick Haffey @ 9:24 pm
    If the CW stars raise heaps of money, maybe they will have enough cash to purchase bank owned homes, that is what the people really need, ”

    My guess is that we now have a severe housing shortage in all of Middle Tennessee, i.e., not enough homes, bank owned or otherwise, and thanks to BHO banks are not lending for new home construction, so I think Nashville will just become a much smaller city fast as people pack up what little they have left and leave.

  61. Wow — It’s an honor to see my family hero on your page, CW. Thank you. He’s been an inspiration to me as well. Makes this fight kind of personal for me. I’m glad I shared 🙂

  62. TruthSeeker

    Caution.

    Tried to access American Grand Jury at Blog Talk Radio for the Manning Trial.

    Nearly shut down my computer…

    Anyone else having any success?

  63. I was reading something yesterday about the government giving foreclosed houses to the homeless. Did anyone else see that?
    Redistribution of wealth BIG TIME.

  64. Leo,
    When my hometown flooded, many more homes were lost as people started pumping water out of the basements. The walls caved under the pressure. Block walls were worse than poured.

  65. Leo Patrick Haffey

    kittycat // May 13, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    I guess BO really isn’t going to help TN, then, right? Just figures, and no one of the media blasts him for it like they did Pres. Bush.”

    They have some lame-brain FEMA “reservists” running around passing out forms. Once people realize that all they are going to get from FEMA is the forms and a hard time, they are going to be very angry.

    I think I might still have the “FEMA is the new 4 Letter Word” T-shirt I got in New Orleans after Katrina. If so, I’ll start wearing it in Nashville as a public service.

    Speaking of NOLA, the Oil Spill is killing the fishing & tourism industry in all the Gulf States.

  66. oldsalt78 @ 9:46 pm
    “NO SH#T DICK TRACY”
    old salt you were cracking me up. Next time they get involved in any kind of fraudulent document material, they need some historical context. Social Security started:
    The Social Security Act was signed by FDR on “8/14/35. Taxes were collected for the first time in January 1937 and the first one-time, lump-sum payments were made that same month. Regular ongoing monthly benefits started in January 1940.”
    http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
    I googled the information they could have done the same, last time we discussed this months ago, SS does NOT recycle SS#’s. I think they are getting confused in all their webs of lies.
    Medicare started 1965 this might be where they are getting confused, but I think they are just trying to cover the lie that is staring them in the face and that is just one SS # among many for the Obama’s. I’m beginning to think that is why both Obamas lost their law licenses-I’m beginning to think it was over fraudulent documents-all kinds-bit of a cottage industry in Illinois-maybe that is how he got his strange voter base???
    Things constantly busted in Chicago and surrounding suburbs: chop shops, phony document manufacturers, and illegal gambling of all kinds.

  67. Old Salt, Great Post and your explanation was right on it. I just hope it will be read in its entirety. I’m sure Bo is hoping to keep his crew on every blog creating BS to confuse those that are open to being confused. That is how this A–Hole keeps getting away with his crimes. Dilute the information, start an argument and hope that everyone will give up.

  68. Prairie @ 9:56 pm
    Can you say which state? You just have to be a victim yourself to understand what all victims of a natural disaster go through.

  69. Kim @ 9:56 pm
    Kim, do you think they will be as generous to everyone else. It is not the governments money it is WE THE PEOPLE’S money. Hope they can afford the taxes and the utilities etc.

  70. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Mia // May 13, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Wow — It’s an honor to see my family hero on your page, CW. Thank you. He’s been an inspiration to me as well. Makes this fight kind of personal for me. I’m glad I shared ”

    Thanks Mia!

    In reading about your Family Hero, I thought of my Friend, Aristotle (Sam), who is fighting the good fight in his late seventies. We must never forget the heros who inspired us then and now. One of the greatest honors that we can bestow is to emulate their courage, their honor, their sacrifice.

  71. TruthSeeker

    I’ve read that somewhere too, Kim,

    Insanity if it’s true.

  72. Prairie @ 9:56 pm
    No rebar in the blocks?

  73. PRAIRIE………………………….

    What you are refering to is called HYRDOLIC pressure. If water is against the outside of a foundation, and it is pumped out of the inside there is indeed a strong likelihood that the foundation will collapse. In truth the water outside must not only be gone but the soil needs to dry out for a few days as well. A civil engineer I know once told me that the hydrolic pressure on a foundation wall that is about 8′ high can go as high as 7 tons per each square inch of foundation surface. Really old foundations,and those constructed from concrete blocks are indeed at risk

  74. Leo Patrick Haffey @ 10:06 pm
    Leo you are talking about Aristotle the Hun, right-I love his name.
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-edits-constitution.html

  75. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Prairie // May 13, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    The incorporation of the U.S. and the RAP (pronounced New World Oder) plan are seperate entities. RAP just feeds off of the other. It breeds hysteria and then throws in some religion (because if you can’t debate on fact, throw in some proverbs to set the defectors straight).

    As children of God (or children of this earth) we are born with rights. Rights are universal, government is by WE THE PEOPLE. That RAP believes they have “God given authority” to overthrow our government is disturbing. That their agenda aligns with that of the NWO is alarming. That this relentless recruitment continues is mind boggling.’

    Methinks RAP is just another form of Organizing for Obama.

  76. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Prairie // May 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Kim,
    I have heard reports on the AGJ site that the seminars cost around $7,000. You can get your DNA tested and get a biometric ID as well. So, if one signs away their U.S. citizenship to become a sovereign person (I assume you can’t be both), do they loose all rights like fair trial and voting? Hmmm…”

    Just when I thought AGJ-Rap had reached the height of INSTANITY they reach a whole new level of BIZZARRENESS!

  77. Michelle and OldSalt,
    South Dakota. Water lapped the ceiling rafters of many basements. My sister has been a victim of the Red River Flooding many times over. And, yes, the pressure was the cause. Many people pumped the water out too quickly as well.

  78. Leo Patrick Haffey // May 13, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    …We must never forget the heros who inspired us then and now….

    ************************

    So very very true. Without our heroes, we would not have the honor and privilege to fight the good fight today.

  79. Eric Holder is so confused. You may well just say citizens you are on your own.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/ag-holder-refuses-to-say-radical-islam-is-a-cause-of-terrorism-committed-by-muslims/

  80. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Kim // May 13, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    JS, I had knowledge about US as a corporation over a year ago. I had researched it extensively and found the premise sound. I was posting information here, The South was too, but it was mostly ignored.
    I truly believe we need to dismantle the fake corporate trappings on our Constitution that are negating the laws that keep our government in check.
    But many things are not right about these wild rambling incoherent statements you are bringing here from RAP. It is the unicorn in the room. It is a fantasy.
    ***************************************

    Kim…Good for you….so you had knowledge of this…..now you should use it and do something!!! What ramblings….I posted what I heard Tim say last night…..if you chose to think they are made up then so be it….I don’t really care……..educating the masses will take a while so maybe you will figure it out after you do you own researching and listening…..why don’t you go to some of the broadcasts that are recorded and check it out for yourself….maybe it is you not really understanding the plan….if it is the rumors you are referring to or the words Prairie types and misconstrue to everyone as truth…..I can see why you would have your doubts and be confused….don’t take my word for it…do your own thing…..as for me….I fear not!!! I am proceeding forward….if you want to stay in the same system that is your call…but for someone who has done their research I doubt you would want to….I know The South is up to date on this and supports the RAP…The South actually got me listening to Tim Turners broadcasts first….I didn’t know Tim before that! I guess you think The South posts unicorn stories too??

  81. Prairie @ 10:20 pm
    Thanks Prairie, I always like to know why, South Dakota is flat like Illinois. Was that the flood in winter time a couple of years ago, I seem to remember a little something and I’m sure like in Illinois that is where the furnace and washing machines and other necessary items are kept. Here in FL no basements, l love basements-so cool in summer and that’s were we played many times when we couldn’t go out.

  82. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Prairie // May 13, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    The incorporation of the U.S. and the RAP (pronounced New World Oder) plan are seperate entities. RAP just feeds off of the other. It breeds hysteria and then throws in some religion (because if you can’t debate on fact, throw in some proverbs to set the defectors straight).

    As children of God (or children of this earth) we are born with rights. Rights are universal, government is by WE THE PEOPLE. That RAP believes they have “God given authority” to overthrow our government is disturbing. That their agenda aligns with that of the NWO is alarming. That this relentless recruitment continues is mind boggling.”

    You got to hand it to BHO Cohorts, they know how to work PsyOps.

  83. Jacqlyn Smith

    kittycat // May 13, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    JS,

    You have so much passion, and rightly so if this works. What I’m trying to tell you is this, y’all two are not going to agree

    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    kittycat….I appreciate your concern but I am not here to please Prairie….I am here to report what I know about RAP or anything else I may have knowledge of…..thank you for your support though… I appreciate all that you have said…..I am passionate about restoring our rights and freedoms and helping the rest of the world in the process….that is all…..I will post Robbs comments again as I think they are very good and bear repeating….

    “RAP is not requiring you to do anything.. you can stay in the system you know.. If your convinced in your heart that RAP is a fraud, then stay away.. Stay a 14th amendment citizen.”

    It’s your choice …..I have already made mine! 🙂

    “When the people lead…..the leaders will follow!” Anonymous

  84. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Michelle // May 13, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Leo Patrick Haffey @ 10:06 pm
    Leo you are talking about Aristotle the Hun, right-I love his name.
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-edits-constitution.html

    Yes, Michelle, the one & only Sam the Aristotle. I saw his latest AKAbo cartoon. It would be HILARIOUS if not so true.

  85. Jacqlyn Smith

    Here Leo….maybe you want to study this or find a similar link about the 14th amendment…

    http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html

  86. RAP=Recruiting And Psyops

    Goodnight JS, get some rest, I’ll be here tomorrow.

  87. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Remember folks, AKAbo once made the MOST OXYMORONIC statement, “The Bill of Rights is a list of negative liberties.”

    I know he has a mouth because he so often puts his foot in it. He must have brain enough to read a teleprompter but it is surely a brain without the ability of reason.

  88. Leo Patrick Haffey @ 10:34 pm
    Leo did you see a couple of weeks ago when Bunny got her new bike (birthday I think) video it was sweet and charming. They both looked so happy and like a couple of kids a bike will do that to you everytime or a swing where you can go so high.

  89. Jacqlyn Smith

    Leo says….

    Methinks RAP is just another form of Organizing for Obama.

    *******************************************

    Yeah right….we RAP supporters are all trying to get the FRAUD re-elected…..talk about something that doesn’t make sense!! Takes all kinds I guess to make this world go round!

  90. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Prairie,

    I would say that the most disturbing 21st Century Phenomenon is the emergence of the RAP/AGJ/KLINGON culture. What about AKAbo attracts them most? The Ears?

  91. SueK…you left out one!!!

    Dumbazz illegal alien usurping teleprompted skanky (lying) bastid.

  92. Leo Patrick Haffey @ 10:48 pm
    You are very naughty and silly-what Obama has totally escapes me-not good looking, not smart, no sense of humor. When you get right down to it – he is boring as he**. I can’t figure it out either—

  93. JS, these bullet points you are bringing here from RAP are wild, disjointed and without any supporting information.
    These postings don’t bring anyone “in”, I think they put people off.
    It would better serve your “cause” if you calmed down, organized your information and tried to present it in a more cohesive manner.
    Otherwise you do a grave disservice to those you claim to support.

  94. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Leo Patrick Haffey // May 13, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Prairie // May 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Kim,
    I have heard reports on the AGJ site that the seminars cost around $7,000. You can get your DNA tested and get a biometric ID as well. So, if one signs away their U.S. citizenship to become a sovereign person (I assume you can’t be both), do they loose all rights like fair trial and voting? Hmmm…”

    Just when I thought AGJ-Rap had reached the height of INSTANITY they reach a whole new level of BIZZARRENESS!
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
    YOUR POST IS A RUMOR….NOT FACTUAL!!!!
    First of all the Seminars I have checked into cost a total of $400…..also….AGJ is not involved with RAP….some of the members of AGJ are but that’s it….so if someone at AGJ said that it cost $7000 for one Seminar that doesn’t mean they know what they are talking about…..anyone with a pea brain could figure out that is a little far fetched….either that or you would have to be a fool to pay that kind of money when you can find the same information free on the internet….actually The South who posts here occasionally pointed the Tim Turner videos out to several people here a while back!

  95. Leo Patrick Haffey @ 10:48 pm
    So I googled the wit and wisdom of Obama and one thing came up, this:
    “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”
    Editorial note by me: Obama, you are nuts.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/887jicyo.asp
    Eventually a French journalist was consulted. He ruled summarily that, translated into French, “the Barack Obama sentence [le sentence de la Barack Obama] sounds weird to me.”
    So there you have it: You can’t really say “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” in French. The matter was closed. The bloggers moved on. Good times indeed.

  96. amy1 // May 13, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Agreed—I’m for closing the borders for about 10 years…….and if we can’t make it here, then we just don’t need it and can do without.
    Trade problems you say?? Breach of contracts??
    Hey, other countries and China……GET OVER IT……sell your crap to yourselves.
    Just this one thing…closing our borders and stopping ALL foreign trade agreements will have this country solvent in 5 years…….okay, that and shooting all congress critters.

  97. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Kim // May 13, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    JS, these bullet points you are bringing here from RAP are wild, disjointed and without any supporting information.
    These postings don’t bring anyone “in”, I think they put people off.
    It would better serve your “cause” if you calmed down, organized your information and tried to present it in a more cohesive manner.
    Otherwise you do a grave disservice to those you claim to support.
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    I’m plenty calm….just excited to spread the good news quicly….that is what they are….bullet points from Tim’s broadcast last night…..I don’t have time to go into detail….just passing on the information I heard to others…..I invite you to listen to the broadcast if you want more detail…..why Prairie herself gives bullet points here fairly often and you seem to think that is okay for her to do!

  98. Jacqlyn Smith

    quickly….not quicly

  99. JJ // May 13, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Thanks, JJ!

    Looks like I left a few out. DABIG volunteered ‘crack head’ and I’d certainly add that, as well as ‘lying.’

    So many adjectives, so little space. That jackass needs an encyclopedia of adjectives just for him 🙂

  100. Just trying to give you some constructive criticism. Seems to fall on deaf ears though.

  101. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Kim // May 13, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Just trying to give you some constructive criticism. Seems to fall on deaf ears though.
    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Why do you feel such a need to criticize me…..shouldn’t you begin with yourself first!

  102. Speaking of humor (dark) I tried to retrieve the original cartoon but I couldn’t.
    Congress grilling Goldman Sachs.
    Congress: Financial deregulation allowed you to create shady investments, that netted you gazillions WHAT’S YOUR RESPONSE?
    Goldman Sachs response: Thanks.

  103. Ok, let me say it a different way,
    I was trying to HELP you.

  104. JJ // May 13, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Now we’re talkin’.

  105. Hi, Sue K.

    “So many adjectives, so little space.”

    Ain’t THAT the truth!! lol

  106. Linda is not going to like the picture of herself, she’s not going to like it at all.
    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
    Hawaii Gov Linda Lingle Does Away with Freedom of Information, Signs Law Denying Access to Obama’s Birth Records.
    Posted on May 14th

  107. JS, you remind me of this line from the novel ‘Gertrude the Governess’…

    “he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions.”

  108. !?!! // May 13, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    You betcha, c.n.d.e.

    Great to read you! 🙂

  109. Citizen Don in California

    OT

    My wife asked me a question that I couldn’t answer, maybe one of you can.

    When did the U.S. start borrowing money from China?

    My question is, why are we still giving money to other countries when we have to borrow the money???

  110. Although . . . the Congress critters are doing a great job of shooting themselves in the feet with the voters, all on their own.

  111. Linda from NY

    FYI…

    New Video: “The Naked Truth About ENDA”

    by Christina Elford, Tea Party Supporter and admirer of the National Prayer Network

    http://www.truthtellers.org/NakedTruthAboutENDAvideo.html

    “Christina Elford, just turned 20, is a Tea Party supporter who is determined to wake up other Tea Partiers to bigger issues than just taxes. Last fall, on her own initiative, she laboriously typed in her own e-list of more than 600 Tea Party chapters in America. She has since informed them weekly with news and articles from Truthtellers.org.

    Concerned about possible passage of ENDA, Christina (20) and NPN filmmaker Becki Pike (28) have produced a hard-hitting, fast-moving five-minute video, “The Naked Truth About ENDA.” This video should inspire all lovers of freedom to call wavering Senators this week. But it should especially motivate young people of high school and college age. NPN encourages you to watch it now and show it at your church and youth groups this Wednesday and Sunday. This week could determine if ENDA loses all steam or creeps over the finish line to passage in both House and Senate. If viewed widely, “The Naked Truth About ENDA” could play an important role in ending the hopes of this frightening legislation.”

  112. Citizen Don in California @ 11:15 pm
    Good question Don, I haven’t a clue. So leaders look good? if only to themselves-ego trip?

  113. Sue K.

    Thanks. Ditto, you.

  114. bob strauss

    Barack Obama “The One”

  115. Citizen Don in California @ 11:15 pm
    Don-I found this video, even I understand it now.

  116. bob strauss @ 11:21 pm
    Thanks Bob, that lunatic is certifiable. Arrested development-I couldn’t remember the name for people who start drugs early in life. I think his maturity level is around age 4, no offense to 4 year olds.

  117. Kim // May 13, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Leo, for one, doesn’t the 14th amendment create anchor babies?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Senator Jacob Merritt Howard went on to say specifically whom he considered that natural and national law EXCLUDED as part of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause:

    This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are FOREIGNERS, ALIENS, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

    How can this be so hard to understand and who allowed congress and democrats to misconstrue the true meaning of the above words and meaning??
    Who allowed Congress and lawmakers to pick and choose which parts to uphold??

  118. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Kim // May 13, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    JS, you remind me of this line from the novel ‘Gertrude the Governess’…

    “he flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse and rode madly off in all directions.”
    *****************************************

    Kim…now may I “help” you a little…..try reading…. ” Who Moved My Cheese?”…. it may help you to deal with the changes that are coming since you seem to be so stressed over the RAP and those of us who support it….One of the good points in there fits you perfectly…..try this……

    “The quicker you let go of old cheese….the sooner you find new cheese”

    really…. I think it could help you!

  119. A response from Arizona to Los Angeles for the impending boycott…..A picture is worth a thousand words.

    http://archive.exurbanleague.com/2010/05/13/a-message-from-arizona-to-la.aspx?ref=rss

  120. WOW

    Went thru two treads and all the stuff about China and the NWO. Every heard of IMF. Int’l funds, world, China and other countries.

    US Constitution. Leo, ever read the original 13th amendment that says if you are a lawyer and a member of the BAR, you are not a US citizen. Check it out.

    Prairie, Kim, Amy1, and any others who want the truth about the US Constitution can check it out: http://www.powercrossing.com/

    What Happened to the US Constitution. Download Microsoft Silver.. to listen, 1 hr 14 mins.

    Then read the difference between the two Constitutions (Common Law and Corporate) at:
    http://www.usavsus.info/

    Then come back and tell us about the Original US Constitution.

    By the way, the 14th Amendments and all that follows are null and void.

  121. Michelle // May 13, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    Hey Michelle,

    I think it’s a fine, accurate picture; they forgot the swastika, though…

  122. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SueK // May 13, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    !?!! // May 13, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    You betcha, c.n.d.e.

    Great to read you! 🙂
    ****************************************

    Hi Sue….what are you doing out so late?? 🙂

    Have you heard from Peter lately…..I miss his posting here…..he was always a great voice for the RAP….hope he decides to come back soon! I need to shoot him an email soon!:)

  123. Michelle // May 13, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Eric Holder is so confused. You may well just say citizens you are on your own
    ++++++++++++++++
    Imo, E.H. is welcome to an up close and personal lesson in the dynamics of radical islam.

    Better we citizens be on our own, than to have E.H. as AG. He’s really no good to anyone. The country would run much better without him.

    I got no sympathy for the guy.

  124. The confusion comes from the direction of the combined 13th and 14th amendments to make citizens all that are born here. Clearly this was to address the slavery issue and to make instant citizens of all the slaves. Once that was done, there is no reason to perpetuate it.

    Read on and you will find the answer…….
    Senator Jacob Merritt Howard went on to say specifically whom he considered that natural and national law EXCLUDED as part of the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause:

    This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are FOREIGNERS, ALIENS, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

  125. HonorFirst @ 11:34 pm
    Oh My Gosh….

  126. SueK @ 11:35 pm
    She is going to be so peeved, maybe they could get a matching uniform for her soul sister Pelosi.

  127. Jacqlyn Smith // May 13, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Hi Jackie,

    Cleaning pets! Early day at the Vet on Friday.

    I did hear from Peter yesterday with some meeting info in MA. I couldn’t go but asked for a report when he had time.

    Yep, another e-mail is in order..

  128. JJ,

    The original 13th amendment was removed from the constitution and slavery was added. Let me find it and I will post it.

  129. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Citizen Don in California // May 13, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    OT

    My wife asked me a question that I couldn’t answer, maybe one of you can.

    When did the U.S. start borrowing money from China?

    My question is, why are we still giving money to other countries when we have to borrow the money???
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Don….I don’t know when the Ponzi scheme started…..I think it is all a facade to make you think we are not bankrupt…..anyone in their right mind would know that the debt is way to high for spending on anything to continue…..NO country is backing anything that BO is selling…IMO…they all know he isn’t going to be around much longer!

  130. NO SH#T DICK TRACY!!!We know this. It is he who is making this statement that needs to get himself or herself an education.

    I tried and the email wasn’t given with the journalist profile—go figure!!

    How stupid that a journalist is so lacking in her knowledge she thinks just because she was given a SS# at birth, so were we>>>>>GEEZE!!!

  131. HonorFirst // May 13, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    LOL

    Perfect!!

    Most likely, LA will be boycotted and AZ’s economy will get a boost.

    Even CNN featured a poll that showed “surprising” (to them, not to the rest of the planet) support for the AZ law. Over 60% in support and just over 30% opposing with 2% undecided.

  132. Signing off in a few minutes.

    Got a little note on my door today; a census worker came a’knockin to *complete my census form.* Gave me a number to call.

    Those notes recycle *really* well.

    Sorry, census, but I have to work so that I can support all the illegal alien criminals who are sucking the system dry.

    I have the page in my pocket Constitution bookmarked in case they’re brave enough to send another ACORN thug to my door.

    I answered the census. One person. Also tucked in one of the form letters we has posted here at CW.

    I’ll wait patiently for the census person. Waiting. C’mon.

  133. Citizen Don in California

    HonorFirst // May 13, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    A response from Arizona to Los Angeles for the impending boycott…..A picture is worth a thousand words.
    //////////////
    I live in Kalifornia and I loved the picture.

  134. Jacqlyn Smith

    Rocknee // May 13, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    WOW

    Went thru two treads and all the stuff about China and the NWO. Every heard of IMF. Int’l funds, world, China and other countries.

    US Constitution. Leo, ever read the original 13th amendment that says if you are a lawyer and a member of the BAR, you are not a US citizen. Check it out.

    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    I’m so glad you showed up Rocknee….another voice of reason! 🙂

  135. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SueK // May 13, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // May 13, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Hi Jackie,

    Cleaning pets! Early day at the Vet on Friday.

    I did hear from Peter yesterday with some meeting info in MA. I couldn’t go but asked for a report when he had time.

    Yep, another e-mail is in order..
    ******************************************

    Okay…hope you are feeling better! 🙂

  136. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Rocknee // May 13, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    JJ,

    The original 13th amendment was removed from the constitution and slavery was added. Let me find it and I will post it.
    *****************************************

    Rocknee….I was looking for that same information to post here but I couldn’t find it…..do you remember the story of how the two guys found the original 13th amendment hidden in England somewhere in an elite families home and one of the family members after many years handed it over to them…..I recall where I heard the story….maybe you heard it too!!

  137. Jacqlyn Smith

    Rocknee….suppose to be….I CAN’T recall where I heard the story…

  138. Michelle // May 13, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Eric Holder is so confused. You may well just say citizens you are on your own.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/ag-holder-refuses-to-say-radical-islam-is-a-cause-of-terrorism-committed-by-muslims/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Take a deep breath, Eric….it’s the easy 12 step profiling thingy……come on, you can do it…yes you can…….just say Islam–is —a —terrorism—committed—by —come on, you’re almost there—MUSLIMS……good job, Mohammed, I mean Eric!!

  139. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SueK // May 13, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Signing off in a few minutes.

    Got a little note on my door today; a census worker came a’knockin to *complete my census form.* Gave me a number to call.

    Those notes recycle *really* well.

    Sorry, census, but I have to work so that I can support all the illegal alien criminals who are sucking the system dry.

    I have the page in my pocket Constitution bookmarked in case they’re brave enough to send another ACORN thug to my door.

    I answered the census. One person. Also tucked in one of the form letters we has posted here at CW.

    I’ll wait patiently for the census person. Waiting. C’mon.
    *****************************************

    Sue…I did the same thing with my census and I think they rang my doorbell one day but I don’t answer it when I don’t know the person…..it is too dangerous in this day and age! Have a good rest! 🙂

  140. Citizen Don in California

    I was born and raised in California (left in the late 80’s); being a Native, I figured the picture was O.K. to post.

    BTW, maybe I wasn’t into politics much at the time, but I only remember Frisco as being ultra liberal….not the entire State

  141. !?!! @ 11:44 pm
    I’ve seen polls as high as 75 per cent favor AZ, and many states are following AZs lead. I’m from the Chicago suburbs-illegal aliens were from every country you can imagine. The Mexicans were all natural born, they had lived there for many generations. When more people see the videos of these illegals acting so lawless and threatening besides rude with all the other obnoxious stunts that they have pulled that 75 per cent may go higher. I believe this will work to AZ’s advantage. I still think many of the illegals are a cover for drug smuggling and other criminal enterprises.

  142. JJ @ 11:55 pm
    JJ-very good and this ding-a-ling is the chief law enforcement officer for the United States? No wonder terrorists feel so emboldened, this guy is as big a sissy as Obama.
    Time for Pigs and Blondes in Bikini’s-no more terrorists.

  143. Original 13th Amendment of The Constitution For The US

    If any citizen of the United States, shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.

    The original Thirteenth Amendment (no title of nobility), approved by 13 of the 17 states March 12, 1819 and thereby ratified, is the last proper draft of a de jure Amendment but is not recognized by the corporate (de facto) UNITED STATES.

    The original 13th Amendment prohibits “Esquires” (Attorneys) from holding positions of public office.

    The Fourteenth Amendment for all intents and purposes does not exist. On March 28, 1861 Congress adjourned sine die and never has reconvened de jure.

  144. bob strauss // May 13, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Barack Obama “The One”
    ++++++++++++++++

    Ol’ BO, the yawn.

  145. LA Times online poll: 94% says L.A. shouldn’t boycott Arizona

    http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2010/05/boycott-arizona-immigration-poll.html

  146. Jackie,

    It might have been on the powercrossing video. The 13th just dropped off the radar and later showed up.

  147. Citizen Don in California // May 13, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    With 39 million in the breadline(food stamps)

    …..what idiot would borrow money from their neighbor, pass it out to the local drunks on the corners, and then have their electricity, water, and gas disconnected for non-payment???

  148. Michelle // May 13, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    !?!! @ 11:44 pm
    ++++++++++++++
    Yeah. I figure the REAL story is that over 90% of the legal U.S. citizens are in favor. What upstanding, hard-working person would favor law-breakers?

  149. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Rocknee // May 14, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Jackie,

    It might have been on the powercrossing video. The 13th just dropped off the radar and later showed up.
    *****************************************

    Rocknee…..that is one video I haven’t watched yet…..I think it was a discussion I heard on the Republic Broadcasting Network now that I think about it!! Anyway….I sure would like to get my hands on the story and read it…..thanks for finding the info on the 13th and 14th amendments….good job!

  150. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    !?!! // May 14, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Michelle // May 13, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    !?!! @ 11:44 pm
    ++++++++++++++
    Yeah. I figure the REAL story is that over 90% of the legal U.S. citizens are in favor. What upstanding, hard-working person would favor law-breakers?
    *****************************************

    Yeah….I think you got that one right……never believe what the Lame Stream Media is selling!!

  151. Rocknee @ 12:04 am
    I had to look up the definitions for esquires at the time of the Constitution it was described as below. For lawyers it is just an honorific like the new designation MS as opposed to/MRS/MISS.
    esquire
    A man or boy who is a member of the gentry in England ranking directly below a knight.
    Archaic An English country gentleman; a squire.
    honorific
    Conferring or showing respect or honor.
    Esq. Used as an honorific usually in its abbreviated form, especially after the name of an attorney or a consular officer: Jane Doe, Esq.; John Doe, Esq.

  152. Guys,

    If you dont understand the 13th Amemdment for when a lawyer takes the BAR exam he owes allegience to Britain.

  153. HonorFirst // May 14, 2010 at 12:06 am

    LA Times online poll: 94% says L.A. shouldn’t boycott Arizona
    +++++++++++++++++++
    Yep. That 6% boycott is really gonna hurt AZ.

    LOL

    Media, businesses, politicians on the illegal side of this issue are the ones that are gonna get burned.

    Reality is now crashing through liberal fantasy land.

  154. Jacqlyn Smith // May 14, 2010 at 12:13 am
    +++++++++++++++
    Naahh. The last CNN report I actually watched was better than a comedy at the movies. I was laughing so hard I couldn’t breathe. Hysterical.

    Really sad that people thought that was a news show, though.

  155. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    The original 13th says nothing about Lawyers or Esquires. It was intended to address Counts and Barons and that sort of thing.

    There is serious business with this 13th and it deserves review and reconsideration and possibly restored to it’s rightful place. But ‘disinformation’ doesn’t help with that.

    Let’s try to keep focused.

  156. Citizen Don in California // May 13, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    OT

    My wife asked me a question that I couldn’t answer, maybe one of you can.

    When did the U.S. start borrowing money from China?
    *********************************
    Don, I think that U.S. debt to China arose from the “balance of payments” deficiency. In other words, U.S. has bought more goods FROM China than China has bought from U.S. In other words, I become a debtor to a store from which I purchase goods (and don’t pay cash) just as much as if I borrowed cash. Between countries there is a running account that indicates who owes whom. The U.S. is hopelessly indebted to China, because we buy more from them than they do from us.

  157. Michelle // May 13, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Also — I hope ALL the states follow AZ’s lead. AZ’s got some great people in leadership.

    You’re right. Many, many are not only illegal, but are also lawless and have no intention of changing. They “demand” that we conform to their every whim.

    No thanks. No more. We won’t support them any longer.

  158. Jacqlyn Smith

    Rocknee….I found it….here is the whole story on the missing 13th Amendment…

    http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/thirteen/thirteen1.htm

  159. CC (FUBO)

    See how many lawyers drop out of Congress soon. Then you can focus!!

  160. Question.

    Hawaii Governor Lingle signed the law having to do with requests to access o.’s birth certificate.

    Now can people take her to Court for signing an unconstitutional law that violates the Freedom of Information Act? Or for something???

    Doesn’t that law facilitate court cases over the matter?

  161. An article posted last thread I think was an account of what was actually occuring at the ranches on the border. Said there were Koran bibles found.
    !?!! said, “They “demand” that we conform to their every whim.”
    Sounds like they are taking lessons from Sharia law.

  162. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    !?!! // May 14, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Jacqlyn Smith // May 14, 2010 at 12:13 am
    +++++++++++++++
    Naahh. The last CNN report I actually watched was better than a comedy at the movies. I was laughing so hard I couldn’t breathe. Hysterical.

    Really sad that people thought that was a news show, though.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    !?!! …I can’t stand any of them on CNN anymore…..not that I ever watched it much anyway…..and on the other station connected with CNN they have the disgusting Joy Big Mouth…..she is a disgrace to the female gender!

  163. Citizen Don in California

    Cabby – AZ // May 14, 2010 at 12:26 am
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    Caby, we have to buy from china and other countries. Congress has taxed business right out of the U.S. Almost nothing is made here anymore due to taxes and union wages.

    I’m just not smart enough to figure out how to fix it except to fix congress. A NEW congress “might” be able to turn things around. But, I not sure anymore.

  164. Jacqlyn Smith

    Rocknee….from the link I posted above….

    http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/thirteen/thirteen1.htm

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    INTERNATIONAL BAR ASSOCIATION

    In Colonial America, attorneys trained attorneys but most held no “title of nobility” or “honor”. There was no requirement that one be a lawyer to hold the position of district attorney, attorney general, or judge; a citizen’s “counsel of choice” was not restricted to a lawyer; there were no state or national bar associations. The only organization that certified lawyers was the International Bar Association (IBA), chartered by the King of England, headquartered in London, and closely associated with the international banking system. Lawyers admitted to the IBA received the rank “Esquire” — a “title of nobility”. “Esquire” was the principle title of nobility which the 13th Amendment sought to prohibit from the United States. Why? Because the loyalty of “Esquire” lawyers was suspect. Bankers and lawyers with an “Esquire” behind their names were agents of the monarchy, members of an organization whose principle purposes were political, not economic, and regarded with the same wariness that some people today reserve for members of the KGB or the CIA.

    Article 1, Sect. 9 of the Constitution sought to prohibit the International Bar Association (or any other agency that granted titles of nobility) from operating in America. But the Constitution neglected to specify a penalty, so the prohibition was ignored, and agents of the monarchy continued to infiltrate and influence the government (as in the Jay Treaty and the US Bank charter incidents). Therefore, a “title of nobility” amendment that specified a penalty (loss of citizenship) was proposed in 1789, and again in 1810. The meaning of the amendment is seen in its intent to prohibit persons having titles of nobility and loyalties to foreign governments and bankers from voting, holding public office, or using their skills to subvert the government.

  165. The best website about amendment 13 is

    http://www.amendment-13.org

    it probably has our story JS!

  166. SueK // May 13, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Give ’em Constitution chapter and verse for all the rest of us!!

    Take their photos and tell ’em you want to check the ‘wanted lists’ first. They’ll have to come back another time.

    Better yet, ask to see their birth certificates.

  167. From: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com

    “Obama Socialist Regime Is Applying Pressure On Christian Leaders”

    Posted on May 12, 2010

    “Veritas Submitted on 2010/05/12 at 3:48 am

    Only to be outdone by Madam Pelosi telling PRIESTS what they must preach from the pulpit: That being “SOCIAL JUSTICE,” A code for “SOCIALISM!”

    She is following in the footsteps of a Nazi policy of telling the Clergy WHAT to preach to keep them in lockstep with BERLIN!

    Of course, history shows us the bravery of the CONFESSING CHURCH, Pastor Niemoeller, etc. who TOLD BERLIN the FOLLOWING:

    “It stands on the principle that Christ cannot be co-opted by, used in the service of, or be remade in the image of religious or political ideologies created by fallen human beings and
    structures in opposition to God.”

    This was the Famous BARMEN DECLARATION

  168. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    brjam // May 14, 2010 at 12:37 am

    The best website about amendment 13 is

    http://www.amendment-13.org

    it probably has our story JS!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    thank you brjam….I did find it here too…..

    http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/thirteen/thirteen1.htm

  169. Jacqlyn Smith // May 14, 2010 at 12:35 am

    One of the worst psychological tortures I can imagine is being locked in a room with msm “news” blaring 24/7.

    The very thought curdles the blood . . .

  170. Jacqlyn Smith

    More important information to know about the 13th….

    WHAT IF? (Implications if Restored)

    If the missing 13th Amendment were restored, “special interests” and “immunities” might be rendered unconstitutional. The prohibition against “honors” (privileges) would compel the entire government to operate under the same laws as the citizens of this nation. Without their current personal immunities (honors), US judges and I.R.S. agents would be unable to abuse common citizens without fear of legal liability. If this 13th Amendment were restored, the entire US government would have to conduct itself according to the same standards of decency, respect, law, and liability as the rest of the nation. If this Amendment and the term “honor” were applied today, US government’s ability to systematically coerce and abuse the public would be all but eliminated.

    Imagine! A government without special privileges or immunities. How could we describe it? It would be … almost like … a government … of the people … by the people … for the people!

    Imagine: a government … whose members were truly accountable to the public; a government that could not systematically exploit its own people! It’s unheard of … it’s never been done before. Not ever in the entire history of the world.

    Bear in mind that Senator George Mitchell of Maine and the US National Archives concede this 13th Amendment was proposed by Congress in 1810. However, they explain that there were seventeen states when Congress proposed the “title of nobility” Amendment; that ratification required the support of thirteen states, but since only twelve states supported the Amendment, it was not ratified. The Government Printing Office agrees; it currently prints copies of the Constitution of the United States which include the “title of nobility” Amendment as proposed, but un-ratified.

    Even if this 13th Amendment were never ratified, even if Dodge and Dunn’s research or reasoning is flawed or incomplete, it would still be an extraordinary story. Can you imagine, can you understand how close the US came to having a political paradise, right here on Earth? Do you realize what an extraordinary gift our forebears tried to bequeath us? And how close we came? One vote. One state’s vote.

    The federal government concedes that twelve states voted to ratify this Amendment between 1810 and 1812. But they argue that ratification require thirteen states, so the Amendment lays stillborn in history, unratified for lack of a just one more state’s support. One vote.

    David Dodge, however, says one more state did ratify, and he claims he has the evidence to prove it.

  171. Citizen Don in California

    http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/thirteen/thirteen1.htm
    13th Amendment
    …excerpt…

    The mystery continues to unfold. The answer lies buried in the archives. If you are close to a state archive or large library anywhere in the USA, please search for editions of the U.S. Constitution printed between 1819 and 1870. If you find more evidence of the “missing” 13th Amendment please contact :
    David Dodge, POB 985, Taos, New Mexico, 87571.
    1) It’s worth noting that Rick Donaldson, another researcher, uncovered certified copies of the 1865 and 1867 editions of the Colorado Civil Codes which also contain the missing Amendment. Although these editions were stored in the Colorado state archive, their existence was previously un-catalogued and unknown to the Colorado archivists.
    2) This raises a fantastic possibility. If there’s insufficient evidence that Virginia did ratify in 1819, there is no evidence that Virginia did not. Therefore, since there was no time limit specified when the Amendment was proposed, and since the government clearly believed only Virginia’s vote remained to be counted in the ratification issue, the current state legislature of Virginia could theoretically vote to ratify the Amendment, send the necessary certificates to Washington, and thereby add the Amendment to the Constitution.
    Was it ratified? There is a lot of evidence that it was.
    //////////////////////////
    Very interesting information. Are Attorneys legally allowed to serve in the government???

    Those states that have the 13th Amentment language in their Constitution should enforce it.

  172. Hello, all – I’ve been occupied most of the day and just caught up on CW reading. Will you let me weigh in just a little re. the RAP issue? Here are some comments that struck me:

    Fernley Girl // May 13, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    In this day and age I have NO idea why anyone would attach themselves to a bunch of words on a webpage.
Keep your alliances and information local. Most of you wouldn’t let an unknown person knock on your door and say, “May I come in?’, and say yes. Yet when you sign up with an unknown group of people on a website that’s exactly what you’re doing.
    JJ // May 13, 2010 at 9:24 pm
    I just know all this from the beginning just didn’t make sense…..how can anyone find money hidden away for decades stolen from the taxpayers…….and yes, this is a global theft on so many levels it’s scary!

    Leo Patrick Haffey // May 13, 2010 at 10:12 pm
    As children of God (or children of this earth) we are born with rights. Rights are universal, government is by WE THE PEOPLE. That RAP believes they have “God given authority” to overthrow our government is disturbing. That their agenda aligns with that of the NWO is alarming. That this relentless recruitment continues is mind boggling.’
    *******************************
    We know that Jacqlyn is passionate about her convictions, so this is NOT to try to change her mind at all. But we DO have an obligation to share with other readers here what our convictions are about RAP. It is gratifying to hear from others who can see many fallacies of this organization(s), because I felt like a lone wolf for several months and got my ears boxed the few times questions were asked.

    Hopefully people would not be taken in by a few very charismatic, convincing individuals who are capable of swaying many by their rhetoric and, yes, even a form of mind control. From my research and common sense approach, I’m thinking that some may be “laughing all the way to the bank” (padding their own pockets) under the guise of patriotism and restoration of the Republic. That is one point.

    The other serious issue that others have brought out is the complete trust that some have in giving out personal information – even thumbprints, DNA, and other sensitive data.
    I’m sorry, but just because you THINK someone is God-fearing and religious doesn’t mean that they are. Just BEWARE!!

  173. Starla // May 14, 2010 at 12:39 am

    So, I think it only fitting, as in, turn about is fair play, for Christian leaders to suggest to Ms. Pelosi that she preach the gospel to the House of Representatives.

  174. Citizen Don in California

    Another idea about the 13th Amendment.

    2) This raises a fantastic possibility. If there’s insufficient evidence that Virginia did ratify in 1819, there is no evidence that Virginia did not. Therefore, since there was no time limit specified when the Amendment was proposed, and since the government clearly believed only Virginia’s vote remained to be counted in the ratification issue, the current state legislature of Virginia could theoretically vote to ratify the Amendment, send the necessary certificates to Washington, and thereby add the Amendment to the Constitution.
    Was it ratified? There is a lot of evidence that it was.
    ///////////////////
    Can someone in VA convince the state to ratify the 13th Amendment , now??? Or would it now require more states to ratify??

  175. Kim // May 14, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Chilling thought!!

  176. Jacqlyn Smith

    Cabby – AZ // May 14, 2010 at 12:45 am

    Hello, all – I’ve been occupied most of the day and just caught up on CW reading. Will you let me weigh in just a little re. the RAP issue? Here are some comments that struck me:

    ******************************************

    Cabby….any and everyone should weigh in…..but spreading false information is not okay…..opinions are okay…..making things up are not okay!!! I seriously doubt that any person actively involved with the RAP went into it with their eyes shut…..I read and listened to everything I could get a hold of and I talked with those who went before me…..I have NO fear of what I am doing….none at all….I look forward to a calmer and more peaceful world for our children and their children…..

    Remember…

    In the American Revolution 70% of the people were loyal to the King or apathetic. The other 30% founded a Nation!

  177. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    !?!! // May 14, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Jacqlyn Smith // May 14, 2010 at 12:35 am

    One of the worst psychological tortures I can imagine is being locked in a room with msm “news” blaring 24/7.

    The very thought curdles the blood . . .
    ******************************************
    !?!! …Even worse….what if it was with Joy Big Mouth….ewww…that woman gets on my nerves!!

  178. Jacqlyn Smith

    Don says….

    Very interesting information. Are Attorneys legally allowed to serve in the government???

    Those states that have the 13th Amentment language in their Constitution should enforce it.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Don….I think according to RAP no one who is a member of the BAR association is allowed to serve in the government…..I remember Tim talking about this in one of his broadcasts….I will have to go through my notes on it and see what I can find!

  179. SueK // May 13, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    Signing off in a few minutes.

    Got a little note on my door today; a census worker came a’knockin to *complete my census form.* Gave me a number to call.

    Those notes recycle *really* well.

    I have the public servant questionnaire if you need it…..it’ll love it…2 pages long.

  180. LA Times online poll: 94% says L.A. shouldn’t boycott Arizona

    Are LA and Congress sisters???

  181. United Nations and its carefully managed One World Order
    The new world devised by Maurice Strong and George Soros

    By Judi McLeod Monday, November 24, 2008

    ” Have you ever wondered how capitalism was pushed over the edge of the cliff just six weeks before the American presidential election? According to financial experts, the world, as we know it will change dramatically by the year 2012. People, who provided for their families only three years ago, will be desperately searching for food.

    The story of the economic meltdown of 2008 begins and ends with the United Nations and its carefully managed One World Order.”. . .

    I saw Glenn’s program today. It was excellent. There is no doubt he may be on their hit list. I know he is producing these programs at great risk.

    There is also no doubt in my mind Glenn is fully informed about the details of Obama’s eligibility to be president because he is not a natural born citizen. I also believe Mr. Beck is well informed regarding the many, many social security numbers Obama uses including the one he is now using that is nearly 100 years old.

    The two items above are enough to have Obama removed from office–still he remains in office because the media has been shut-up about this subject, judges have been bribed or threatened, and politicians have sold out their country to hold on to their careers. If we could just have one major TV program disclose all the facts about Obama’s sealed records and one untouchable judge to demand Obama produce his sealed records, we could remove Obama from office, take back America and begin to restore America and diminish the economic crisis.

    How can those people of great influence silently watch the open and flagrant destruction of the greatest country in the world and do nothing. It makes me wonder–just who and how far reaching is the invisible power is that can silence the Fox news journalists, Sarah Palin, and Rush Limbaugh. It has silenced all of them to the point they won’t even say the words “Obama’s birth certificate’.

    The best they can do is an occasional vanilla statement that almost hints at it but could later be claimed as misinterpreted if any one calls them on it.

    Not until Obama and all those complicit in his fraud are removed from office, arrested and tried for their crimes will America and the rest of the world begin to heal. The sooner it is done the better. If they stay in power just a little longer, the damage done to America and the rest of the world will be irreparable!

  182. Jacqlyn Smith

    Don….I looked at my notes from a radio show with Darrell Freck…..he is the one who talked about the law profession….here are the highlights concerning attorneys….

    Every lawyer in every state who took the BAR renounced their oath and took an oath to England

    It is very clear to them when they take the oath that is what they are doing

    They all know they are not citizens of America…they are all citizens of England

    This oath is their way of becoming wealthy, powerful and in control….they sold themselves to the devil

    Under the original 13th amendment….No one can make money practicing constitutional law

    Legal profession tried to hide the 13th amendment from 1819-1867

    It will be brought back to life….no lawyers can hold office

    Esquire means they can’t practice common law…they represent the corporation

    If they don’t pass the BAR then they can’t practice law
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    For the record….the above statements are not my words….they come from Darrell Freck….someone who has put many hours into studying the Constitution and its history!

  183. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    !?!! // May 14, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Starla // May 14, 2010 at 12:39 am

    So, I think it only fitting, as in, turn about is fair play, for Christian leaders to suggest to Ms. Pelosi that she preach the gospel to the House of Representatives.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    !?!! …. UMM good idea but do you think she would know anything at all about the gospel…probably not!

  184. G’night. God bless us, one and all.

    A thought about trying times . . .

    “Blessed is the person who endures trial for when that one has stood the test, she or he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him.” James 1:12

  185. Jacqlyn Smith // May 14, 2010 at 1:17 am

    LOL

    Good point!

    Although . . . . “even the demons believe . . . and shudder.”

  186. Jacqlyn Smith

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    !?!! // May 14, 2010 at 1:19 am

    G’night. God bless us, one and all.

    A thought about trying times . . .

    “Blessed is the person who endures trial for when that one has stood the test, she or he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him.” James 1:12
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    I like James….great words of strength!!

  187. Jacqlyn Smith

    Something else I found on the 13th amendment….

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    J. D. Wyatt,

    At 04:27 PM 28-07-2009, you wrote:
    Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
    (JDWatt@UnitedStatesConspiracy.com) on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 at 17:27:59
    —————————————————————————
    name: J. D. Wyatt
    LEU – Web page referenced: none
    Dropdownmenu: Other, Over 40 years old, Support content

    Comments or Requests: Hello:

    My name is Jonathan David Wyatt. I just released my new book about the “original” 13th amendment. I have discovered new evidence that proves the amendment was ratified and is still a lawful part of the Constitution. Part of this “new evidence” comes from John Quincy Adams himself. I have researched this subject for over 3 years, and have worked closely with many other researchers who have been at it for 15 years. Here is partial list of things you will find in the book entitled “Titles of Nobility and Honour.”

    New evidence from John Quincy Adams.
    A return letter from the Executive of Virginia.
    The recognition from James Monroe, John C. Marshall, and many others that it was the law.
    Why it was illegally removed, how it was removed, and by who.

    I go into great detail explaining everything, every step of the way. From the “Grand Conspiracy” against America to how we as individual citizens can go about restoring our Constitutional Republic.

    I also cover at great length how we the greatest nation in the world came to such economic dire straits. The “real” story, the whole story.

    Please visit my website, and check out the “Table of Contents, and the extracts of the book.

    Thank You

    J. D. Wyatt

    http://www.UnitedStatesConspiracy.Com

  188. Jacqlyn Smith

    WOW…found another good site that is filled with all kinds of information concerning the hidden 13th Article of Amendment….that is the proper way to say it!

    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/13th.htm

  189. Was Obama a Covert Agent?…..You be the Judge!

    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/pol/1739667853.html

    Trial of Century starts now.

  190. “Q20: Are Social Security numbers reused after a person dies?

    A: No. We do not reassign a Social Security number (SSN) after the number holder’s death. Even though we have issued over 415 million SSNs so far, and we assign about 5 and one-half million new numbers a year, the current numbering system will provide us with enough new numbers for several generations into the future with no changes in the numbering system.”

  191. Cabby - AZ

    Citizen Don in California // May 14, 2010 at 12:35 am
    I’m just not smart enough to figure out how to fix it except to fix congress. A NEW congress “might” be able to turn things around. But, I not sure anymore.
    *******************************
    Re. U.S. debt to China – You are so right about everything we buy – most of it is made abroad, and much by China. Like you, I do not know the answer! It is a dilemma that has been long in the making and there will not be a quick fix.

  192. I you read what this craigslist paper says about the info that Rev. Manning has. Obama was a covert CIA agent in 1981 and then went to Columbia after that, perhaps Obama has inside info on the Iran-Contra affair that the republicans would surely like to hide…hmmm, hmmm. One thing for sure Obama has something one everyone in office.

  193. RAP sounds awesome. I hope its true, my mortgage is sucking me dry. Can’t wait for my debt to be forgiven.

    I hope its not a mass sovereign plan that’s been around for 20 some odd years. A lot of good folk have gone to jail and lost everything from that.

    I will vote this November regardless, I hope the RAP folks will do the same.

  194. JJ……………………………………..

    Ref;Your 11:43 PM comment. That was the unposted part of my comment that I figured everybody would instantly latch onto. You did! So I guess I made my point among the INTELLIGENT people who share the CW blog.

  195. STRAYNGER………………………
    I don’t believe that I have met you. It seems that you are new on the CW blog. If this is the case then please allow me to welcome you here. Perhaps you will see fit to stick around and enjoy the level of information that comes to the CW blog each day. Hurts to hear about what your mortgage is doing to you. There has been some offers of special mortgage relief by the FED,which might fit into such a draining mortgage. Most of these offers have been broadcast on both radio and television here in Indiana. Re-finance might be something to consider.
    I often think about what might happen if China decides that they are no longer going to be our finance company. Perhaps the FED will then consider my solution to the entire fiscal problem.This is as follows; First……Congress enacts a bill that will formally,and legally declare all forms of credit debt in this country PAID IN FULL, then the FED prints new money and we start over again, but with enforced credit limits imposed upon everyone. Yes, such a program would be extremely painful, but certainly not one that would threaten the continuity of the United States as a Republic,which IS exactly what the NITWIT programs that are going on now are doing. Particularly when we are now financing the IMF who in turn are financing Greece,Portugal, and whoever else we are not yet aware of thanks to our MESSIAH leader whose mentality becomes a larger question as each day passes.

  196. STRAYNGER………………………

    I strongly urge you to do some thorough research on the ALLEGED RAP group. Be extremely careful where this entity is concerned. As yet I have not formed an opinion regarding the veracity of this alleged group. My jury has NOT YET DELIBERATED on the issue,because as each day passes there is conflicting data regarding the alleged group,and there are totally bizarre statements being made by people who are supposed to be in some form of leadership positions within the alleged group. Many of their statements defy simple logic. When this sort of thing occurs I usually” take an alternate” route if you get my drift.

  197. Reverend Dr. Manning…………………….
    This comment is for you and that which you are trying to do for all of us. To that end ,I simply,and humbly say…..I wish you well sir,and may GOOD LUCK PREVAIL!

  198. USPATRIOTSSHOUT………………………….

    The world may change but that doesn’t mean that the US SHOULD CHANGE just because the rest of the world is being led by a bunch of mentally depraved persons who think that the alleged NWO is the greatest thing since “ice cream”. The depravity shows in nearly every quarter of the nincompoops in the UN who like to say how iINTELLIGENT they THINK they are.

  199. I found this on the Confluence which gave this link to the now defunct “Cannonfire” blog. I had forgotten this information. It is now such an interesting item, I thought I would post it.
    ——————
    1. In 1981, Pakistan was under martial law, and U.S. travel was discouraged or forbidden. At the very least, we can say that a trip to a strife-torn forbidden zone would have constituted quite an adventure for any young man. So why does Obama refuse to mention this adventure in his books?

    Think about it: If you were writing an autobiographical work, wouldn’t you want to fill it with dramatic incident?

    2. At the time, the CIA was offering clandestine support to the anti-Soviet “freedom fighters” in Afghanistan, who counted Osama Bin Laden among their numbers. Much of this support effort was run through Pakistan, using cut-outs.

    3. Obama may have held an Indonesian passport, due to his Indonesian stepfather. This factoid is of unhealthy interest to those rightwingers pushing the “Obama as Muslim” smear. I’m not interested in that nonsense. I am interested, however, in the suggestion that a student holding such a passport could get into places where most Americans could not easily go.

    A CIA-linked professor would have immediately understood that such a passport offers very interesting possibilities. For obvious reasons, the Agency likes to recruit people who hold multiple passports.
    All of which may seem like insufficient grounds for suspicion of an intelligence link. Recently, however, the current de facto Prime Minister of Pakistan, Muhammadmian Soomro, made a startling revelation:
    While in Karachi, Obama had stayed at the residence of his college friend, Hassan Chandio. In Jacobabad, he was the guest of Soomro family. Muhammadmian Soomro confirmed this information and said it was his first meeting with Obama.

    “Yes, he had been our guest and spent three days in Jacobabad,” he told The News. Soomro, presently in the US, his second home, said an American friend had told his father, Ahmadmian Soomro, about Obama’s arrival in Pakistan and asked him to look after the American. Soomro’s father was the deputy speaker of West Pakistan Assembly and had also later served in the Senate.

    Ahmadmian Soomro had also served in banking industry and was considered a pioneer in cooperative banking. By the time Soomro’s father had hosted Obama, he was only a college student who went to Pakistan on his way from Indonesia where his mother was working with the Ford Foundation’s micro credit finance project. Also Obama’s mother was a frequent traveller to Pakistan and according to Time Magazine, she had a little bit proficiency in speaking Urdu.

    When Soomro was asked about the person who referred Obama to his father, he said he nowadays lived in some country in South America. He was, however, reluctant to disclose his identity, saying he will have to seek permission from that man before giving his profile.

    Although, Obama has not disclosed his link with Soomro, he mentioned it during his canvassing campaign while talking to a Pakistani American, Shahid Ahmad Khan, member of Board of Trustees Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

  200. Good Morning! Has anyone found a live video traffic feed near Rev. Manning’s events today?

    Have a great day! Zach

  201. Good Morning Greg Goss – I follow a couple of UCMJ related sites.

  202. Most of the military lawyers I’m following come at it from the prosecutor side, being blinded by their mission to convict. I do believe Lt. Col. Lakin will make some waves when the trial gets underway. We will see.

  203. Let the shaking begin. May God Bless Pastor Manning and everyone else with him today who makes the march around Columbia.

  204. Jacqlyn Smith

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    Greg Goss (ReElect “NoBody”) // May 14, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Court-Martial Military Defense Under UCMJ – Ltc Lakin (A work in progress)

    It appears that the discovery process will move forward!
    ******************************************

    Good News GREG…..I seriously doubt this will ever get to trial…the cat should be out of the bag before then!

  205. UpstateWarrior @8:19a.m.

    In Jesus’s name, AMEN.

  206. Good Morning Jacqlyn Smith!

  207. truthbetold11

    A close friend is on the dejure grand jury. Although he remains open minded the plan is still solid.

  208. Jacqlyn Smith

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    zachjonesishome // May 14, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Good Morning Jacqlyn Smith!
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Hey Zach Jones…..and what a great morning it is!!! Thanks for all of your posts on how to connect with the Manning trial!

  209. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    truthbetold11 // May 14, 2010 at 8:50 am

    A close friend is on the dejure grand jury. Although he remains open minded the plan is still solid.
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    truthbetold11…..thanks for sharing the info on your friend…..happy to hear he/she is aboard….it is a great responsibility!!

  210. Good News GREG…..I seriously doubt this will ever get to trial…the cat should be out of the bag before then!

    I am not sure. I almost think this is “the military’s” way of removing BHO. But you may be right.

  211. I have not be able to find a live traffic feed close to Columbia University. Disappointing. I’ll check back in later. Thank you all for all you are doing here on CW’s blog. Zach

  212. Leo Patrick Haffey

    Cabby,

    We know that Jacqlyn is passionate about her convictions, so this is NOT to try to change her mind at all. But we DO have an obligation to share with other readers here what our convictions are about RAP. It is gratifying to hear from others who can see many fallacies of this organization(s), because I felt like a lone wolf for several months and got my ears boxed the few times questions were asked.

    Hopefully people would not be taken in by a few very charismatic, convincing individuals who are capable of swaying many by their rhetoric and, yes, even a form of mind control. From my research and common sense approach, I’m thinking that some may be “laughing all the way to the bank” (padding their own pockets) under the guise of patriotism and restoration of the Republic. That is one point.

    The other serious issue that others have brought out is the complete trust that some have in giving out personal information – even thumbprints, DNA, and other sensitive data.
    I’m sorry, but just because you THINK someone is God-fearing and religious doesn’t mean that they are. Just BEWARE!!”

    Yes, RAR/AGJ/AKAbo are very skillful at Psyops. If people do not understand that it is this RAR/AGJ/AKAbo/CRAP is INSANE then those people are either hopeless or false flag agents.

    “The other serious issue that others have brought out is the complete trust that some have in giving out personal information – even thumbprints, DNA, and other sensitive data.” NO SANE PERSON WOULD DO THIS!

  213. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Greg Goss (ReElect “NoBody”) // May 14, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Good News GREG…..I seriously doubt this will ever get to trial…the cat should be out of the bag before then!

    I am not sure. I almost think this is “the military’s” way of removing BHO. But you may be right.
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    I have wondered that myself on several occasions…..IMO….being the great dedicated soldier Lt. Col Lakin is…I think it has backfired on the likes of O’Reilly, Meghan Kelly, Anderson Cooper and the rest of the State run media who tried to make him sound like a “birther” nut……no one is buying that BS anymore!!! I would love to see a poll of present day that asks how many folks believe the FRAUD is a legal POTUS….one that was legitimate…..IMO….way over 50%!!!

  214. citizenwells

    **** New Post ****

  215. Jacqlyn Smith

    Greg…..I meant to say “way UNDER” 50%

  216. I believe AGJ has answered my question: What remedy is there for America if we don’t like RAP?

    “Even if you knew everything about the plan and what was going to happen…..there would be nothing you could do to change it…..so my advice to people is just sit back and enjoy the ride. . . ”

    “No sense worrying….even if we knew everything that was happening there is nothing we could do to change it!!”

    Definition of Coup: A sudden appropriation of leadership or power; a takeover.

    Definition of Treason: A crime that undermines the offender’s government.

    Definition of RAP: Rampant Abnormal Psychology.

    http://americangrandjury.org/special/comments/guardians/

  217. Jacqlyn Smith

    Prairie // May 14, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I believe AGJ has answered my question: What remedy is there for America if we don’t like RAP?

    “Even if you knew everything about the plan and what was going to happen…..there would be nothing you could do to change it…..so my advice to people is just sit back and enjoy the ride. . . ”

    “No sense worrying….even if we knew everything that was happening there is nothing we could do to change it!!”

    Definition of Coup: A sudden appropriation of leadership or power; a takeover.

    Definition of Treason: A crime that undermines the offender’s government.

    Definition of RAP: Rampant Abnormal Psychology.

    *******************************************

    Definition of RAP bashers……

    Rabid Assault Peons…..

    really Prairie…..no one is forcing you into anything…..why not move on before you cause yourself a heart attack or something of that nature due to the stress you are putting on yourself and others….RABID may be much too mild in your case!! BTW….AGJ is not connected to RAP….you keep trying to hook up the two….they have nothing to do with each other….just like this blog….AGJ has several who only come to smear and bash those who are working to restore and reclaim rights taken from us many years ago…..when you have a solution to offer we will all be here to hear what it is….until then quit making things up about something you are not a part of and don’t wish to be a part of and by all means….quit taking words out of context which only tells part of the story!

  218. Jacqlyn Smith // May 14, 2010 at 8:32 am

    #

    Greg Goss (ReElect “NoBody”) // May 14, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Court-Martial Military Defense Under UCMJ – Ltc Lakin (A work in progress)

    It appears that the discovery process will move forward!
    ******************************************

    Good News GREG…..I seriously doubt this will ever get to trial…the cat should be out of the bag before then!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I can’t see discovery ever happening……hasn’t happened yet……..it’s called the “Clinton Syndrome”??

  219. Re: And who granted them authority?

    The Elders receive guidance from the Secret Guardians, an order older than Abraham. According to the Bible, “they are priests forever”. In other words, their authority is senior to the priests of Levi and all who have come after.

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