2009 Christmas, Message of hope, Americans helping Americans, No government required, Help those around us

I am writing this message to you as my significant other assembles Christmas packages for five elderly ladies in an assisted living facility not far from us. These ladies have no family members to care for them. This is an annual tradition at the coffee shop we frequent, the same coffee shop where I bring you so many tidings of gloom.

My lady deserves all the credit for this. She just got back from shopping and also tried to deliver an old coat for a drive for those in need of winter apparel. Just a hint for those females who bank on the best makeup, shoes and dresses. For most of us, it is still what is on the inside that matters most and she just became even lovelier.

Watching her came at a most fortuitous time for me. I had just finished reading the Ellen Goodman article about Sarah Palin and her book. Another veiled attempt to put down Sarah Palin and what is right about this country. The bane of my existence is reading about so much negativity and attacks on good people.

So, let us not forget the good in this world and that people matter. No matter what the Senate and House do, irrespective of the socialist agenda of the Obama Administration, there is good around us and a reason for us to go on and embrace what is right about this country.

God bless.


61 responses to “2009 Christmas, Message of hope, Americans helping Americans, No government required, Help those around us

  1. CW,

    Since you are a Shroud history follower I thought you might also be interested in the history of this prized icon of Russia:


  2. Soooo not caught up today…so going in the way back machine from a few threads ago regarding Sarah and Greta’s husband. I remember an O’Reilly show(before I stopped watching him!) where he was talking to Dick Morris and there was a “slip” from O’Reilly that Dick Morris was advising Sarah. O’Reilly’s a slime ball and I could tell that Morris didn’t want that info shared…and he quickly confirmed it and shoved it under the carpet!

    Anyway, One side of me says Sarah’s wise at having these Dems and former Dems advising her cuz they are good at politics and winning…very savvy people….just so long as she STICKS TO HER VALUES. ..that’s my main concern…and the people advising her must RESPECT her values also…or things could turn bad very quickly.

    But apparently, whatever’s happening behind the scenes, it’s going well for now!

  3. Hi, Guys, Happy Thanksgiving.

    I’m one of those people who get up each morning and say, this is a good day, and I will have joy in my life.

    So, here’s a website for all of us who appreciate our military……….don’t forget………..two people died for you…….Jesus died for your soul…..and a soldier died for your freedom.

    Send a free printed postcard to a miliary personnel stationed overseas.

    God bless America.

  4. Off topic: To all my CW friends … Here’s a gift of hope and cure.

    If any of you have cancer, or know of anyone who has cancer, please read ……..

    There is a cure for cancer. Dr.Otto Warburg proved cancer was caused by a lack of oxygen in the cell, and he received the Nobel Peace Prize for it.

    To reverse the cancer, you need to get oxygen in the cells; the way to do this is ozone therapy, or drinking ozonated water, and electrifying the blood … The Bob Beck Protocol.


    Here’s another very good one … Cancer cured by Hyper-Oxygenation


    To reverse the cancer and rejuvenate the cells, you must saturate them with oxygen.

    *************** It’s that simple!! ***********

    Cancer, AIDS, Viruses, cannot survive in the presence of high oxygen, it’s impossible.

    Do some research, it’s simple as pie, and cheaper than animal crackers. This info has been suppressed by big pharma, FDA, AMA, and anyone else who stands to make money off treatments instead of cures.

    It really pisses me off that greed has killed millions of people, that should have been able to live, if they’d only known something as simple as oxygenating cells would kill their cancer, tumors, and viruses.

    The people who’ve suppressed this info for monetary gain will burn in hell someday!

    Get a water ozonator for about $100.00 and some colloidal silver, and save someones life this Christmas 🙂

  5. Lovely post CW,

    Yes in the end it is always about good will. One of the few times one can use “always”.

  6. Has anyone seen this website?


    A place to write letters to politicians.

  7. Two in one “surprises” against Obama – this one and the link to SNL at its “bottom”:


  8. Hilarious take on the liberal reaction to Palin:

  9. Ticktock,
    I’m not surprised. It goes both ways. Carl Rove
    the mighty Carl Rove “architect” advised
    the Dems on how to get Barack Obama elected. Thank you, Mr. Rove. Now, we can all hate Carl Rove, or at least I do.

    Dick Morris would be glad to help Sarah as Dick hates HRC after Dick was “removed” from their administration for having “whores” in close proximity after being told not to. Yes, that’s the reason he’d do anything to go against Clintons—they fired him. Everyone who watches FOX knows Morris is always being “called out” for his biased comments on Hillary every chance he gets. Morris is one biased dude.

  10. The former British police officer who wants to bring down Barack Obama

    Conspiracist prominent in movement claiming president is an imposter

    Neil Sankey has spent his life investigating organised crimes. As a former British police officer with almost 20 years experience, he was seconded to elite units of Scotland Yard through most of the 1970s and now runs his own private detective agency in California.

    Over the years he has been involved in some big investigations. As part of the Special Branch and Bomb Squad he monitored British leftwing groups and the IRA, and in America his clients have included several big car companies.

    But never has he handled anything quite as monumental as the investigation that is absorbing his energies today.

    Sankey is pursuing what he believes to be fraud on a gigantic scale — a conspiracy, no less, to infiltrate and destroy the free world by putting a foreign imposter into the White House.

    Sankey is a member of the fringe alliance known widely as the Birthers (he dislikes the expression, considering it pejorative). Together with other activists, he seeks to prove that Barack Obama is not a true American and is therefore ineligible to be president.

    read more – http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/22/barack-obama-british-conspiracist

  11. The South—
    glad you brought your post over from the last thread. It is serious, right?

  12. LM—
    I like what I just read on your post. Am going over to the article. Sounds good….

  13. MESSAGE FROM BEN STEIN about God and CHRISTmas:

    Remarks from CBS Sunday Morning – Ben Stein

    I Only hope we find GOD again before it is too late ! !

    The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.

    My confession:

    I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don’t feel threatened. I don’t feel discriminated against. That’s what they are, Christmas trees.

    It doesn’t bother me a bit when people say, ‘Merry Christmas’ to me. I don’t think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn’t bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it’s just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

    I don’t like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don’t think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can’t find it in the Constitution and I don’t like it being shoved down my throat.

    Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren’t allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that’s a sign that I’m getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

    In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it’s not funny, it’s intended to get you thinking.

    Billy Graham’s daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her ‘How could God let something like this happen?’ (regarding Hurricane Katrina).. Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, ‘I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we’ve been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?’

    In light of recent events…. Terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O’Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn’t want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

    Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn’t spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem ( Dr. Spock’s son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he’s talking about. And we said okay.

    Now we’re asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don’t know right from wrong, and why it doesn’t bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

    Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with ‘WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.’

    Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world’s going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send ‘jokes’ through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you startsending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

    Are you laughing yet?

    Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you’re not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

    Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

    Pass it on if you think it has merit.

    If not, then just discard it… No one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don’t sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.

    My Best Regards, Honestly and respectfully,

    Ben Stein

  14. Patriot Dreamer

    Madie, I don’t know if you saw this in the other thread or not:

    Maddie // November 21, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Patriot Dreamer,
    I looked everywhere for the” Ladybug” game
    for a 5 yr. old. Couldn’t find it anywhere. Do you know where to buy it?
    Hi Maddie,

    You can order The Ladybug Game from Amazon.com:


    I don’t know if it’s sold in stores or not. Hope this info. helps!

    Well EROSIONISTS tell us it is about Indians, Pilgrims and thanking the Indians BUT the Father of Our Country, George Washington says it is all about Giving Thanks to GOD on his Thanksgiuving Day Proclamation of 1789.


    George Washington’s 1789 Thanksgiving Day Proclamation
    WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me “to recommend to the people of the United States a DAY OF PUBLICK THANSGIVING and PRAYER, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:”
    NOW THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign THURSDAY, the TWENTY-SIXTH DAY of NOVEMBER next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed;– for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish Constitutions of government for our sasety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted;– for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge;– and, in general, for all the great and various favours which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

    And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions;– to enable us all, whether in publick or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us); and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

    GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New-York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine.

    (signed) G. Washington

    LINK to original Proclamation:

    PS Now anyone reading this must have some education, so please tell me, after you read the above, how can you EVER say that the Founders intented to have no Religion in Gov’t. They clearly had no problem with religion in Gov’t what they didn’t want was gov’t interfering or endorsing any religion. God and religion was everywhere in gov’t. They even say prayers in CONgress today.

  16. This could be a Thanksgiving to remember!

    New World Order is now DOA!

    Just listening to a report about the news of the hackers that accessed decades worth of documents and emails from the main university in England where the chief climatologist behind the global warming scam has been caught red handed. WOO HOO!

    This is HUGE news. Though several main rags reported it, they have down played the importance of it.

    This could stop the private group of banks (bankers) in their tracks, in their agenda to take over not only our country, but others with their fraudulent scheme.

    I’m so excited I can barely type. We have to get this news out and further expose these criminals. This is the ray of hope we all needed, knowing everything, including the healthcare plan, was dependent on the global warming scam.

    This is a MUST LISTEN: here is the link for the podcasts – though the servers have been busy for a while now.

    I will post links later, too.

    Alex will have news stories up on his site by tomorrow. http://www.infowars.com

  17. Patriot Dreamer

    With regard to global warming, check out these articles:

    “Greenpeace Leader Admits Organization Put Out Fake Global Warming Data”

    “EXCLUSIVE: Lies Revealed — Greenpeace Leader Admits Arctic Ice Exaggeration”

  18. Patriot Dreamer

    Retired climatologist Dr. Tim Ball on the recently hacked & leaked e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University:

  19. Here’s the story of a man who gave the world a lot of gifts.

    Nikola Tesla – The Forgotten Wizard

  20. Patriot Dreamer, wow…you’re good!

    Isn’t this exciting?!!!

    This could be the beginning of the end. Have to spread it far and wide.

  21. Upstate Warrior,

    And a lot of people didn’t listen to Tesla when they should have. That man was an absolute genius. He was way ahead of his time, and he thought that everyone throughout the world should have free electricity.

  22. Maddie,

    Yes, it was a serious post. Knowledge is wealth!

    Since I became politically involved, I’ve learned a lot about the H1N1, Cancer, AIDS, Shingles, and all viruses, and causes of death.

    I can’t tell you how empowered I feel knowing that “I know how to cure cancer” by oxygenating the cell (you’ll never hear this from your Doctor)!

    I can’t tell you how empowered I feel knowing that I can cure “Any Virus” by using Colloidal Silver (you’ll never hear this from your Doctor)!

    The shame is, most people just won’t let themselves believe any of it. It’s to simple and inexpensive, so it must be a conspiracy theory.

    I can’t tell you how many people I’ve passed this research onto, that just snub their nose at me, and think I’m nuts.

    They won’t even take 30 seconds to click on a link and research it.

    It’s a damned shame, that most people have this thought process of: If my Doctor doesn’t tell me about it, there’s no way it can be true.

    I wish them well, and hope they don’t die a long and painful death.

  23. A new video is out on YouTube about the words – Natural Born Citizen – Three Little Words. Definitely worth watching. Here is the link:



  24. Upstate Warrior:

    Tesla was so creative, as many people are in certain areas in their life. However, the BO doctrine of socialism kills creativity.

    Being allowed to have creativity is a wonderful gift and it gives mankind many benefits. Then when BO’s doctrine comes in full force, it will stifle all creativity.

    I have a friend who was born in Cuba. Back early on after she was born, her parents were bountiful in creativity and the country thrived. Then when Castro came into the mix, that country that was once thriving and once had beautiful resources, farming various crops, etc., it then became a hell hole. It dried up and died and its people lost their creative ability because of that government. This type of government gives human beings no hope of anything good. It stifles creativity.

    BTW, Yahushua (aka Jesus) the messiah had creativity when he was with father Yahweh and was doing the creating by command of his father. It’s a wonderful thing to have to be creative for the good.

  25. Well said kittycat; and it’s very true what you say about the great gift of creativity.

  26. ACORN was pimpin’ for Global Warming and GREENPEACE? Sounds like their FRAUD WORK

  27. I’m sitting here wondering how the news media is going to handle climategate aka Al’s manbearpig .

    Somebody like Sarah Palin could take out this entire regimes agenda, health care and all .

  28. Patriot Dreamer,

    did you hear Dr. Ball say this wasn’t a smoking gun this is a battery of machine guns?

    I don’t think most people realize how significant this is. Our freedoms were being eroded and control was being exercised by a private group of bankers based on this GLOBAL WARMING SCAM.

    With the confirmation now in hand, we can fight back.

    This truly is a turning point in the history of this nation.

    Thanks for the vid. I still am unable to access the podcasts. I’m sure later this evening Alex’s show will have been uploaded to a number of youtube accounts.

    As he says, you have to celebrate when there is reason to celebrate and this is definitely one of those moments.

  29. Patriot–
    You have made my day—I was searching everywhere for The Ladybug Game for the birthday present and never found it. Now, I can order it for a Christmas —Perfect. Thank you so much!!!!

  30. Upstate Warrior,

    Also, consider, Tesla may have been autistic. And some say he was a savant.

  31. Army Dav,

    oh yeah….Sarah would definitely be the one to do it.

    I bet Rush Limbaugh may do it, too. Tomorrow will be interesting. I have my doubts about Beck & Hannity – even if they wanted to report on the importance of it. Murdoch will most likely hold them back, as he is heavily invested in these technologies. Savage may, as well.

    We’ll see who rises to the top.

  32. The South—
    I was very excited when reading about more oxygen needed by the cells to stop cancer.
    Why aren’t our doctors telling us? This is
    ridiculous that we never know about
    advances like this!
    My aunt died of cancer a few years ago. Of course, under “socialized” medicine in G.B. she
    basically wasn’t given much treatment, and she
    wouldn’t come here (a big mistake). My cousin
    then claimed that due to England’s “advanced” treatment of breast cancer (I never saw it) that his mum lived longer than expected (didn’t believe that either).
    Thanks for the posting for all.

  33. Okay, finally… here are the podcasts about the New World Order being DOA.

    The first one is the reveal

    More info and the celebration on air of the break through.

  34. JustMe

    Beck is already on top of it, so is Savage .

    Should be interesting……….

    Maybe South Park will have an update , ManBearPig part II.

  35. Army Dav,

    thanks, I wasn’t aware Beck was already on top of it. I figured as much that Savage would be.

    The timing of this couldn’t be better with Copenhagen on the horizon.

  36. I think maybe 60 Minutes is trying to get us
    used to the idea of not extending life.
    It’s on now.

  37. The guy (a doctor) they’re interviewing is saying NO DEFILBRILATOR for grandma!

  38. They are talking about rationing healthcare–
    on 60 Minutes now.

  39. Maddie,

    The Doctors won’t dare tell us, for fear of being beheaded by the Federal Government.

    Most Doctors probably don’t know about colloidal silver or ozone water, as they wouldn’t dare let research like that be printed in text books. The Rockefellers and Rothschilds own the medical industry. It’s a money making scam!

    Glad you read the links, hopefully others will too, as the information is life saving, and should be passed far and wide.

    We are doing the Lords work by spreading the word about these two very important healing elements.

    Colloidal Silver : Kills all know viruses to man.

    ******** ALL KNOWN VIRUSES ********

    Ozonated Water : Oxygenates cancer cells and kills them. It also kills most viruses, because they can’t survive in high oxygenated areas.

    God Speed!

  40. JustMe

    Didn’t Beck have Lord Monckton on FOX or was it his radio show?.

  41. The South—
    Thanks again. I had no idea the big money families Rockefellers & Rothchilds were into
    the medical industry—oh great–NOT!

  42. Army DAV,

    yes, he did have him on his show. Monckton was making the rounds during that time.

    This has been speculated and talked about by many for years. But…these hacked files CONFIRM and implicate specific persons complicit in this fraudulent scam that the New World Order was based on.

    As you say, this week should be interesting.

  43. Maddie,

    About 7 years ago, maybe a few more years than that, someone at Bible study was telling me while we were eating lunch, saying, I saw a 20/20 show (and it may have been something other than 20/20, but was those type of shows)…

    Anyway, the lady was fighting mad. She and her family saw this show about a man who had invented “pure water,” and no joke, it was a cancer-killer. He called it Pure Water because it went through some kind of a process.

    And is this for real, Maddie. Guess what, some experts in drug companies or Feds, whatever, came around and stopped him. He could actually kill cancers with this, which is what he had been working on and discovering. No joke! She told us that this show had people on there that were totally cured of horrible cancers. Then he was never allowed to ever do this anymore.

    Well, this is just a crying shame. This guy was really doing such a great thing and the PTB shut him down. He was trying to help others, not charging anything and curing them with his invention.

  44. Peter,
    I enjoyed reading what Ben Stein had to say
    about Christmas. Very nice. Thanks for the post.

  45. Patriot Dreamer

    Maddie // November 22, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Maddie, you’re welcome! I hope it’s a good game!


  46. kittycat

    Would this be the same water that Bobby Boucher used ?.

  47. Maddie // November 22, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    There’s that name Rothschild again! Funny how they are big in everything bad! This is why Palin should be very guarded.

  48. Patriot Dreamer // November 22, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Hi PD, and thanks for posting this!

    Finally some logic!

    I’ve mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. I’m a Geologist by trade, with some Environmental Science and Meteorology thrown in for good measure.

    Ever since this ‘global warming’ crap has been out there (I’d like to thank Al Gore, the inventor of the Internet, for that) I’ve been banging the drum to anyone who’d listen that the Earth goes through heating and cooling cyclically. The last Ice Age was a mere 14,000 years ago (a drop in the Geological time bucket) when my town in northern MA was buried under 2 miles of ice! The landscape of the U.S. was completely different then, with salt water fossils found in the midwest!

    Likewise, there have been periods of warming over the ages.

    These temperature variations are not due to human activity-we contribute approximately 0.005 of 1.0 percent of all the CO2 emissions; it’s not mankind’s fault. What we contribute to the Earth’s thermal balance is insignificant.

    Should we take good care of our Earth? Of course, but we’re not the culprits they’re making us out to be.

    Also, those screaming that CO2 is a greenhouse gas is full of horse feathers; CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas! Look to our friend the Sun and the water vapor in our atmosphere for your answer as to why the Earth goes through periodic temperature fluctuations.

    Again, another agenda being pushed that just isn’t so. Junk science is all it is.

  49. Patriot Dreamer

    JustMe // November 22, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Patriot Dreamer,

    did you hear Dr. Ball say this wasn’t a smoking gun this is a battery of machine guns?
    JustMe, I haven’t had the chance to watch that video all the way through, but he sure said that!

  50. JustMe, PD,SueK et al.,

    These findings re: climate change is an explosion waiting to happen once the world becomes aware. It’ll be important to watch to see how these findings will be diminished and/or denied. Wow.

  51. Army, Would this be the same water that Bobby Boucher used ?

    I’m sorry, I don’t remember the name and when she was telling the story, from what I remember, she didn’t either, but she did say it was a wonderful story until the PTB stepped in and stopped him, made him sign something that he would never use this, ever. It was healing others too.

  52. It’s amazing that God gave us everything we need to survive Cancers, Plagues, Viruses, etc.

    Everyone who survived the EU’s Bubonic Plague were eating off of real silverware, and drinking out of silver cups.

    Oxygenated water “O3” cures cancer and kills viruses …. the world is 2/3 water …. water is the life blood of civilization.

    Silver ….. I’ll be he didn’t create that for us to carry around in our pocket as coins, but because of it’s healing properties, it quickly became a monetary value.

    Gold ….. Another element that is used for neurological ailments ie: Colloidal Gold

  53. Army, I don’t know who Bobby Boucher is. But from the story, this stuff really did heal others and she stated that even doctors were interested.

  54. *************New Post**********************

  55. The Globalist are making their End Game move to chip the slaves.

  56. kittycat

    Just having fun ,,,,,, Bobby Boucher charactor in the movie. The Water Boy ……….

  57. Army DAV

    Are you talking about Bobby Boucher from The Water Boy?

  58. Nevermind you beat me to it! Funny Movie

  59. http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/the-donna-brazile-karl-rove-connection/
    Maddie-Saturday, August 30, 2008…1:56 am
    The Donna Brazile – Karl Rove Connection
    Karl Rove is so Machiavelli
    In order to “save” the Democratic Party, Brazile resolved back in 2003 that she might have to destroy it first. And who better to help her in this lofty pursuit than her new best friend, the man neoconservatives call “The Architect”.
    This is a long article-both were/are so caught up in political machinations they lost sight of the fact–its the Constitution, WE THE PEOPLE. Donna was so stupid, Karl led her all the way-I think Donna has a big hand in the ruin of the Democratic party, but it was so corrupt it should go into ruin. Karl, gets rid of us pain in the derriere Dem’s forever possibly. Dem’s could have been honorable and just said NO, but the allure of money and power was just to overwhelming so any lying, cheating, corruption was ok by them. Sad.

  60. JustMe // November 22, 2009 at 6:31 pm


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