Philip Berg, Orly Taitz, Lisa Liberi, Lisa Ostella, accusations, controversy

From an email from MommaE of blog radio:

“Hi CitizenWells,
 
Below is a post that was in defense of Phil Berg’s Assistant Lisa Liberi!  THANK GOD some one had the foresight to go and research and post it.  Please feel free to post this on any and all Blogs or Web Sites you have or connected to.  Maybe this will stop some of the craziness that Phil and Lisa are going through since Orly’s attack.
 
MommaE”

“Comment: It never fails to amaze me how people will run with the slightest bit of uncorroborated information as if it were the God’s honest truth. Take for example the Lisa Liberi/Ostella issue. I looked Ms. Liberi up in the San Bernardino Court records. Unless this woman is a shape shifter, there is no way the California Liberi and the Pennsylvania Liberi are the same woman.

Yes, there is a Lisa Liberi in California who is originally from New Mexico and has a history of felony fraud. However, she resides in California, has been here for over a decade, and the only reason she shows up as a resident of New Mexico is because she is still on probation in that state. This is a matter of public record and is available (free) online. She was in custody in the State of California at the same time that the Pennsylvania Liberi was working as Berg’s assistant.

Now, I’ve heard of liberal “work release” programs, but the State of California did not allow an incarcerated felon to skip off to go work for Phil Berg.

The fact that two people have the same name does not offer any proof that they are the same person. It’s a huge jump in logic, with no verifiable documentation, that is being stated by some as FACT.

How these very same people have managed to fabricate a connection between Lisa Liberi and Lisa Ostella is even more mind boggling. The only substantiated connection is that these two women share the same first name.”

63 responses to “Philip Berg, Orly Taitz, Lisa Liberi, Lisa Ostella, accusations, controversy

  1. Orly Taitz is deliberately slandering innocent parties to throw suspicion off herself. Many of us have suspected she is screwing things up in a major way. I’m suspicious of her inciting tribunals and militias to enforce what she wants! Where is her Constitutional concerns in that area?

  2. Citizen Wells,

    At first i scoffed at MommaE, when i first read that she disagreed with Orly. My beliefs have totally changed.

    Orly seems to be a “loose cannon on the deck”, especially with regard to her Quo Warranto pleadings.

    I pointed out objectively to Orly in her blog, that the only Constitutional Remedy for challenging Usurper B.O., was only through the D.C. CODE.

    Specifically, that the U.S District Attorney Jeffrey Taylor, HIMSELF files the Quo Warranto inquiry, or as per the D.C. CODE, the only other venue is to get permission from the District Court, to file as an INTERESTED person, or THIRD party, and only in the name of the UNITED STATES….

    The Attorney General can also file Quo Warranto.

    Orly, seems to think that she can plead OUTSIDE of the rules of the Federal Quo Warranto Statute, by demanding a Qou Warranto on the whole world.

    I have totally refrained from any and all praise for Orly, in that she has not followed proper procedure.

    She appears totally incompetent, and very reckless, even though her intent is good.

    She may indeed be doing this country a dis service, by making the waters dirty, when a COMPETENT attorney who understands that the Congress has given the District of Columbia, via the D.C. CODE, authority under the Qou Warranto Statute.

    I also pointed out to her , that SCOTUS has no ORIGINAL JURISDICTION, TO HEAR HER CASE, because of the seperation of powers, now that B.O. got the electoral votes, and was sworn in.

    SCOTUS would only hear her, only on appeal from the APPELLET court.

    She refused to post my pointed, and accurate post.

    She also refused to post the fact that i pointed out, that any potential attorney representing the military, should be careful not to incite the Military to use inflammatory language towards superiors, to the effect that they are being unknowingly put in danger by an incopetent attorney.

    I even posted the actual statute, and of course, she refused to post it.

    I’ve concluded that she is very reckless, while the donate buttons get pushed, and the “uninformed” run and jump on her bandwagon.

    Article 88, UCMJ

    Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

    Richard

  3. Jacqlyn Smith

    Richard—I believe that the military people signing on to Orly’s lawsuits are well aware of Article 88…”we the people” have been ignored in every arena of the law….I say Orly is an activist and only wants to do what is best for America….after all she and her family first left Russia to get away from the oppression and corruptness she experienced there….I doubt she would be spending so much time and money if she felt she was doing this all for naught!!! Whether you like her methods…she is still very courageous and a true “Patriot” for going out on a limb to get her country back!! She certainly has not deserved the BS from the Obama supporters that she has experienced!

  4. Crystal,

    Militias and military tribunals are 100% Constitutionally legal. If you feel a militia is not Constitutional, may I suggest you go back and re-read Amendment II.

    When the department of justice continues to ignore this crisis that threatens the core legality of current federal government activities in the past 100 days, the alternatives for We the People shrink considerably down to its core and that’s to:

    1. Indict via Grand Juries

    OR

    2. Use our power under Amendment II to enforce the Constitution

    The first is occurring now. When that falls through due to the lack of Constitutional interest from the doj, option 2 becomes the only other alternative.

    Our right to redress and gather becomes a moot point when it gets down to this level.

  5. Jacqlyn Smith, the old saying that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” applies here.
    It no longer matters what her intentions are if it destroys everything. In her past activism activities she has shown abandon of Constitutional concerns (ei her rally in support of Israel’s bombing of Lebanon, and her AIPAC lobbying activities) You can’t cherry pick the Constitution.

  6. Libby Jones

    Citizen Wells I know some of your beliefs about President Obama, which I totally disagree with. But you have always let me post here, which I truly appreciate. I don’t post often but I had grave concern about the dangerous and scary direction Orly’s site is headed and I do think one of our federal officials will eventually be harmed because some of the unpatriotic venom she is spewing on her site. I post my concerns here because she never lets any contrary view to be posted on her site. This is one example of what she defines as “patriotic”:

    We have the right to bear arms. Legally we are fine, but what we need is funding: to buy arms, ammo, uniforms, communications. It costs money to build a civilian army. Who can be the partners of the patriots of this country and who can help with funding?

    Yes we do have a right to bear arms but not in the context she is describing. On her site, post after post and comment after comment are calling for executions, assassinations–not just against the president but also against other federal officials. She has even targeted a police chief in Beaumont, TX. She calls herself a “patriot” but in the next breath she is calling for insurrection, sedition and an unlawful uprising or overthrow of our government (by the way, she calls herself a “lawyer”). She has the mentality that she is still living in Russia.

    At times we might not agree with what our government does, but I personally can’t invision a better country. There is more right with this country, than is wrong with this country.

    I hope you will post this. I know that you have strong opinions against President Obama but I truly don’t believe you agree with Orly’s dangerous nonsense. Thanks

  7. JeffM , when do we draw the line of what the legal decision will be? No matter what is decided anyone can call for a tribunal for any reason we don’t like? With all the variables of what each person thinks Constitutional, there will be endless warring among splintered factions. As you can read in the informed post above, Taitz isn’t listening to coucil, she’s calling her own shots . That, or she’s a shill.

  8. Orly is more of a Patriot than most Americans.
    Leran the Truth and It will set you free!!
    Important info on http://www.orlytaitzesq.com
    frightening
    http://www.investigatingobama.blogspot.com
    http://www.larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com
    Pray the REAL TRUTH WILL COVER AMERICA
    MAY OUR MILITARY NOT HAVE DIED IN VAIN!!!!
    CONSTITUTION IS AMERICA’S
    FREEDOM.STAND UP FOR IT.

  9. Crystal,

    We have the right to call a Grand Jury for anything we feel is illegal. That is our right and our duty under the U.S. Constitution.

    Does this mean we can lynch people? Absolutely not! But we can not and should not rely on the department of justice to do all of our legal work for us. As you can clearly see, it is broken. We are not seeing an indictment against Soetoro, not even an investigation into his clear web of thuggery and crime. Hundreds of addresses, multiple SSN’s, ties to Chicago graft, election fraud, tax evasion, the works. It’s like we’re watching a re-run of the days of William Marcy Tweed.

    But back to the question. In order to ensure a GJ is legal, for example, it must follow the Constitution. The department of justice must also follow the Constitution. The U.S. Military must follow the Constitution. Orly must follow the Constitution. Everyone in the United States must follow the Constitution.

    What Orly is doing is not Unconstitutional … yet. She can call for anything she wants. She doesn’t have to listen to council when what they say or do is Unconstitutional. Calling for a tribunal in the Military is warranted because so many officers and enlisted personnell are questioning the authority of the “Commander in Chief”. An answer must be granted to them because they are entitled to it under Military Code and the Constitution. The very fact “natural born” was put into the Constitution was for the U.S. Military 110%.

    When Orly decides not to follow Constitutional law, then its our duty as a nation to make sure she is held accountable if and when she does it.

  10. Jacqlyn, That’s why i said her intent was good.
    ____________

    Whether you like her methods…she is still very courageous and a true “Patriot” for going out on a limb to get her country back!! She certainly has not deserved the BS from the Obama supporters that she has experienced
    _____________

    Patriotic yes, but even the California Bar Ethic’s, say’s clearly that you cannot use inflammatory language towards Judges, etc.

    Yet she bashes the hell out them.

    It’s a clear violation of ethic’s.

    Her intent is wonderful, her presentation and procedure is horrible.

    She flopped big time on the Qou Warranto’s.

    She did correct herself to a degree, but i have yet to see the James v. Obama filing.

    She’s only been in practice a very short time.

    She need’s one foot on the brake pedal, and one foot on the gas pedal.

    Wisdom is better than strength, but what good is extreme patriotic strength, outside of the Constitution, or the D.C. Code, or California Bar Ethic’s ?

  11. Libby Jones,

    __________________
    I post my concerns here because she never lets any contrary view to be posted on her site. This is one example of what she defines as “patriotic
    _________________

    Your post was beautiful, i agree in that she will not allow any objective opinion, very little if any. Strange.

    You took the words from my mouth, when you said that it’s as though her mindset is still in the former Soviet Union.

    I thought she was dissing me only.

    Richard

  12. Hi Mary

  13. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Crystal // May 4, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith, the old saying that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” applies here.
    It no longer matters what her intentions are if it destroys everything. In her past activism activities she has shown abandon of Constitutional concerns (ei her rally in support of Israel’s bombing of Lebanon, and her AIPAC lobbying activities) You can’t cherry pick the Constitution.
    *************************************************

    That is your opinion….I beg to differ….we have freedom of speech and she is allowed to use it to the best of her ability whether you agree with her or not!!! I appreciate her Patriotism…..evidently you and others don’t but that is your choice…..there are many others who believe she is doing what is right!!

  14. citizenwells

    jej.
    I went to GoogleEarth and one of the more interesting features I observed
    was an underground (covered with grass and a road) section of the railroad
    that I estimate to be 60-80 yards long. This is adjacent to 150 Broadway.

  15. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    RICHARD // May 4, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Jacqlyn, That’s why i said her intent was good.
    ____________

    Whether you like her methods…she is still very courageous and a true “Patriot” for going out on a limb to get her country back!! She certainly has not deserved the BS from the Obama supporters that she has experienced
    _____________

    Patriotic yes, but even the California Bar Ethic’s, say’s clearly that you cannot use inflammatory language towards Judges, etc.

    Yet she bashes the hell out them.

    It’s a clear violation of ethic’s.

    Her intent is wonderful, her presentation and procedure is horrible.

    She flopped big time on the Qou Warranto’s.

    She did correct herself to a degree, but i have yet to see the James v. Obama filing.

    She’s only been in practice a very short time.

    She need’s one foot on the brake pedal, and one foot on the gas pedal.

    Wisdom is better than strength, but what good is extreme patriotic strength, outside of the Constitution, or the D.C. Code, or California Bar Ethic’s ?
    ********************************************************

    Richard—-For some reason your rant on Orly seems more like an OBOT wanting her to fail…..what have you done so far to help us bring attention to the IMPOSTER in the White House…..seems you are very critical of a Patriot who is using her talents to the best of her ability….and as JeffM says…..she has done nothing UNCONSTITUTIONAL….she has a right to freedom speech and I believe like thousands of others that she is doing a DARN good job of it!!!!!

  16. Jacqlyn,

    she has done nothing UNCONSTITUTIONAL
    _________

    If you understood the Federal Qou Warranto statutes, you would see that i did bring to attention the fact that Orly has failed to plead correctly.

    She was asking Attorney General Holder to recuse himself, get a special prosecutor, and take it directly to the Supreme Court, all in the name of Qou Warranto.

    UNCONSTITUTIONAL !

    Congress gave the District of Columbia, in the D.C. CODE, power to go after an usurper in the District.

    Specifically, given to the U.S. District Court/Attorney, Jeffrey Taylor.

    SCOTUS had original jurisdiction before the casting of the electoral votes, before the Oath was taken, but NOW they DO NOT. Therefore, the only remedy to challenge an usurper in the District of Columbia, is through the U.S. District Court exclusively.

    Read the Code.

    The U.S. Attorney files it himself, or an INTERESTED PERSON, or THIRD PARTY can ask for permission to file ONLY in the name of the United States, if the Court allows it.

    This is the ONLY remedy available in the U.S. Constitution, other than impeachment, or Mr. Holder initiating a Qou Warranto, which would probably be a conflict of interest, to challenge B.O.

    SCOTUS would then only hear it on appeal from Obama.

    Again, read the code, and again i say that ORLY’S pleading was UNCONSTITUTIONAL which is why SCOTUS will not hear it.

    I wish Orly success, but only when she get’s it right, and interprets the D.C. Code correctly.

  17. Interesting how anyone who attempts to hold Taitz accountable we are all Obots. Taitz supporters had the never to threaten me with an Orly Taitz suit because I removed the link to her site from my blog. Not only did they threaten me with a law suit they had the nerve to say “We have carried you…”

    Taitz has not carried me any time any where.

    As I have said, if you are not going to do this honestly then you are no different than the Obama idiots. Taitz supporters have resorted to threatening everyone who doesn’t kiss ass. This is the very reason Citizen Wells will tell you I have always stood on my own.

  18. To any Obama supporters who “may” be here:

    Show Americans your REAL birth certificate,
    Mr. Obama, and these issues will be resolved
    one way or the other. It’s a $15 issue , why
    have you spent over $1,000,000 fighting
    against it? What are you hiding and WHY?
    Everyone wants to know now, whether you
    are for or against the POTUS–showing your
    eligibility for the “top job” is “elementary”
    Barack and should NOT be above your
    “pay grade” —-or is it??

  19. Jacqlyn Smith

    Richard——Why don’t you file the Quo Warranto yourself instead of trying to direct traffic??? It sounds like you believe you are all knowing and that Dr. Taitz has it all wrong!!! What have you done to help the cause on your own??? I’m still waiting for that answer…..we know what you think about Dr. Taitz…..now show us what you have done!!!

  20. Orly is the most patriotic woman in America. I salute her and all others who are fighting for the Constitution. God bless you all!

  21. Jacqlyn, you apparently have your knickers in a twist, for whatever reason i do not comprehend.

    Did you read the District Code ?

    NO ! Because if you did you would realize that im not directing traffic, or am all knowing, or think Orly is always wrong.

    If you actually did read it, instead of casting aspersions, you would hear the same language that Leo C. Donofrio speaks, the language of the actual code, but don’t accept reproof, just keep being yourself.

  22. Richard, you need to join hands with jbjd and file your own lawsuits rather than set on the sidelines and put Orly down. She and her family has already faced in Russia what it seems we might be facing here, if Obama has his way. If you are more interested in putting people down just to interfere with their progress, you are preaching to the wrong group. If you can do what Orly is trying to do, better, then by all means jump in and do it. Otherwise, don’t put her down, just to distract people from hearing about the usurper getting in the White House, illegally. Obots have been trying to shut Orly up from the get-go and you sound just like one of them. You should be praising Orly, Citizen Wells, Larry Sinclair, Leo and all the others who have put their life on hold, while trying to save our Constitution and freedom. So Richard,Crystal, Libby, you have a right to your own beliefs but that dosen’t include trying to destroy another person who is working for all of us!!!!

  23. Joy,

    Who’s putting people down, i made an opinion based on the KNOWN legal fact, that has been posted by other attorney’s on several other blogs, that Orly has unfortunately mis filed several suits, as though she never even read the law, or specific code.

    This is well known.

    To say that im putting her down for fun, is not correct at all, if that’s what your suggesting.

  24. Joy,

    . Otherwise, don’t put her down, just to distract people from hearing about the usurper getting in the White House, illegally.
    __________________

    Ms. Joy,

    You use the word USURPER, but you do not even realize that the Quo Warranto statute, is the only place in the Constitution/ D.C. code, where the word USURPER is used.

    I’ll bet you did not know that, did you ?

  25. Richard,I’ve had the same experiences with Orly as you and Leo as well.She doesn’t want real help.And now it appears she and Bigfoot Ed Hale have been sued by Berg,Ostella,Liberi,and Momma E,represented by Berg as reported today on Sentinel Radio Blog.These celeb lawyers with their paypal buttons are not what their idolatrous fans believe them to be.And criticizing them doe not make one an “obot”.We merely want this settled once and for all.These goofy ploys have distracted from the nbc issue and getting QW in DC instigated,where it must be.Not all over the nation with all these side issues.

  26. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    RICHARD // May 4, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Jacqlyn, you apparently have your knickers in a twist, for whatever reason i do not comprehend.

    Did you read the District Code ?

    NO ! Because if you did you would realize that im not directing traffic, or am all knowing, or think Orly is always wrong.

    If you actually did read it, instead of casting aspersions, you would hear the same language that Leo C. Donofrio speaks, the language of the actual code, but don’t accept reproof, just keep being yourself.

    ***************************************************
    I don’t need to read your code…I know what the evidence is and I know Dr. Orly as well….she is doing what she thinks is right and I applaud her for that instead of being critical of her every move! If you think you have a better method then by all means you should pursue it and we will applaud you as well for being an advocate for doing the right thing!! As far as I can see….. Mr. Donofrio hasn’t gotten through to any court either…..when corruption runs rampant and you have every Tom, Dick and Harry covering for you it is near impossible to break through……I believe Dr. Taitz will not give up until the battle is won….that is more than we can say of others!

  27. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    messenger // May 5, 2009 at 12:21 am

    Richard,I’ve had the same experiences with Orly as you and Leo as well.She doesn’t want real help.And now it appears she and Bigfoot Ed Hale have been sued by Berg,Ostella,Liberi,and Momma E,represented by Berg as reported today on Sentinel Radio Blog.These celeb lawyers with their paypal buttons are not what their idolatrous fans believe them to be.And criticizing them doe not make one an “obot”.We merely want this settled once and for all.These goofy ploys have distracted from the nbc issue and getting QW in DC instigated,where it must be.Not all over the nation with all these side issues.
    ************************************************

    And all of you are distracting others from the real problem at hand and that is……………..there is an IMPOSTER in the White House. We are all on the same team and should be praising instead of being critical!! These people on the radio shows and attorneys likewise need to get along and support each other…..they are as bad as the Republicans with all of this in fighting and suing each other!!!

  28. cv-01898-ER LIBERI et al v. TAITZ et al
    EDUARDO C. ROBRENO, presiding
    Date filed: 05/04/2009
    Date of last filing: 05/04/2009

    History
    Doc.
    No. Dates Description

    Filed & Entered: 05/04/2009
    Summons Issued
    Docket Text: Summons Issued as to ORLY TAITZ, DEFEND OUR FREEDOMS FOUNDATIONS, INC., YOSEF TAITZ, THE SANKEY FIRM, SANKEY INVESTIGATIONS, INC., NEIL SANKEY, JAMES SUNDQUIST, ROCK SALT PUBLISHING, LINDA SUE BELCHER, EDGAR HALE, CAREN HALE, PLAINS RADIO NETWORK, BAR H FARMS, KPRN AM 1610. Given To: counsel on 5/4/09 (gn, ) Modified on 5/4/2009 (gn, ).
    1
    Filed & Entered: 05/04/2009
    Complaint
    Docket Text: COMPLAINT against defts’ ORLY TAITZ, DEFEND OUR FREEDOMS FOUNDATIONS, INC., YOSEF TAITZ, THE SANKEY FIRM, SANKEY INVESTIGATIONS, INC., NEIL SANKEY, JAMES SUNDQUIST, ROCK SALT PUBLISHING, LINDA SUE BELCHER, EDGAR HALE, CAREN HALE, PLAINS RADIO NETWORK, BAR H FARMS, KPRN AM 1610 ( Filing fee $ 350 receipt number PPE000127.), filed by plffs’ GO EXCEL GLOBAL, LISA LIBERI, PHILIP J. BERG, THE LAW OFFICES OF PHILIP J. BERG, EVELYN ADAMS, LISA M. OSTELLA.(gn, )
    2
    Filed & Entered: 05/04/2009
    Disclosure Statement Form
    Docket Text: Disclosure Statement Form pursuant to FRCP 7.1 by GO EXCEL GLOBAL, LISA LIBERI, PHILIP J. BERG, THE LAW OFFICES OF PHILIP J. BERG, EVELYN ADAMS, LISA M. OSTELLA.(gn, )
    3
    Filed & Entered: 05/04/2009
    Motion for TRO
    Docket Text: EMERGENCY MOTION FOR AN INJUNCTION AND/OR TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER, FILED BY PLFFS’ GO EXCEL GLOBAL, LISA LIBERI, PHILIP J. BERG, THE LAW OFFICES OF PHILIP J. BERG, EVELYN ADAMS, LISA M. OSTELLA..(gn, )
    4
    Filed & Entered: 05/04/2009
    Memorandum
    Docket Text: Memorandum in support of plff’s motion for Emergency Injunction and/or Temporary Restraining Order, filed by plffs’ GO EXCEL GLOBAL, LISA LIBERI, PHILIP J. BERG, THE LAW OFFICES OF PHILIP J. BERG, EVELYN ADAMS, LISA M. OSTELLA, Proof of Service. (gn, )

    ==========================

    Grab the Popcorn folks.

  29. J Smith said–And all of you are distracting others from the real problem at hand and that is……………..there is an IMPOSTER in the White House. __________________________________ Wrong! It is the celeb lawyers distracting from a resolution by a misunderstanding of codes,statutes,laws,and precedent setting cases.Wallter Fitzpatrick just accused Barry of treason and was visited by the secret service and not arrested.I support that man more than any lawyer filing numerous cases and never following through as they fall by the wayside from improper filing or a plethora of other problems.Orly has been offered so much help it isn’t funny.Apuzzo,Donofrio,and several erudite readers gave her enormous help with documents and links backing up their position on her blogs,in emails and phone calls.She refused it all.And this has nothing to do with the dialectics of the left or right.This is a constitutional battle for our nation.QW has to be done in DC and DC alone.The only other option is the one that Walter has taken.And that is a military man or woman coming out and accusing Barry of treason.So,it looks like that will see fireworks before Apuzzo,Berg,or Orly’s cases are thrown out.Apuzzo’s is relatively strong but will be delayed or dismissed eventually.

  30. J Smith..listen to the 5-03-09 The Chalice show with Commander Walter and a few other guests.It was ezcellent.They know we mnust draw a line in the sand.Barry is destroying the nation rapidly.The problem with Berg and Orly is that they have both refused sound legal advice and help.They ask for money and volunteers,buit have ignored pleas to stay focused with legal actions that will not be thrown out on technicalities.After months of this,one must ask why.and make a decision to support them or move on.They both piggyback a boatload of charges into a hodgepodge of nothingness. http://patriotsheartnetwork.com/

  31. Jacqlyn, I agree with you that this is taking away from the cause. However, you need to write Orly about it. She is the one that started all this. If she felt there was a problem, it should have been kept quiet and between she and the people she has a problem. She is the one that made it public on radios and on blogs. She is the only one that can stop it. She needs to verify the info before she puts it out. I know for a fact that the PI told her not to put the info out about Berg’s ast as he said he could not confirm it…yet she did.

    This needs to end but it has to be with the person who started it.

  32. Guys —

    Everyone needs to cool down! I told all of my kids as they learned to drive, that they will do their absolute worst, just before they actually learn to get it right. I have 4 cars with scars to prove that I’m right.

    The opposition to Obama has been conducted by “highly talented people with egos” that have now collided. But, this was to be expected.

    I anticipate that within 30 days, a new strategy will EMERGE from this that will be focused and exact. And, then we will see real progress.

  33. messenger // May 5, 2009 at 12:21 am

    Richard,I’ve had the same experiences with Orly as you and Leo as well.She doesn’t want real help.And now it appears she and Bigfoot Ed Hale have been sued by Berg,Ostella,Liberi,and Momma E,represented by Berg as reported today on Sentinel Radio Blog.These celeb lawyers with their paypal buttons are not what their idolatrous fans believe them to be.And criticizing them doe not make one an “obot”.We merely want this settled once and for all.These goofy ploys have distracted from the nbc issue and getting QW in DC instigated,where it must be.Not all over the nation with all these side issues
    ________________

    Messenger,

    Thanks for your objectivity, it’s refreshing to have an objective, and meaningful opinion to read.

  34. citizenwells

    “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Karl Marx

    I was aware of the lawsuit involving Berg, Lisa, MommaE, Ed Hale, etc and sworn to silence.
    I will make a brief comment here.
    Orly seems to care about this country as does Philip Berg. There may be an
    issue of being over zealous, although I am not sure if that is possible given our current situation.
    Perhaps there is some paranoia or fear retained from being in the Soviet Union.
    It is very difficult to know who to trust. I can attest to that.
    Orly and I spoke of that in our last conversation.
    I will leave it to others to publicize this lawsuit and will report on it only as it
    affects our ability to make decisions moving forward.
    Orly made some accusations that had to be addressed.
    I was also aware for many weeks of attacks made on MommaE by other(s)
    mentioned in the lawsuit. That, hopefully, will be remedied in court.
    My gut tells me that Obama thugs are stirring up trouble, as they have for over a year.
    We also have to work on keeping our personalities and personal
    agendas from getting in the way. It is not about you or me. It is about us.
    We may never know the truth about how this controversy has played out.
    However, one thing is clear, we must not be diverted from our attention to the pressing
    issues of saving this country.
    God bless

  35. Orly is one of two things:
    1. a well meaning but poorly thought out zealot, who publishes unverified, unvetted “information” purely for its use as propaganda in hopes that it will spread through the net before anyone can catch her in a lie. The object is always to prove that she is right and satisfy here ver strong paranoid streak. She is single mindedly pursuing this course of action due to some personality scar or disorder no matter what the cost to herself, others, or her adopted country she profeses to love so much.

    2.She is an agent provacatour, sent here from the former soviet union. She is obviously well trained and funded. She is a lawyer in name only and is obvioulsy much more skilled in the tacticts of propaganda and misinformation. The KGB or their modern equivalents decided that the last thing they wanted in this country was a president who could potentially unite the us. the best thing would be to have a well trained sleeper in place to spread as much disent and vitriol to the people who were already predisposed to hate and let their own unbridled bigotry do the rest.

    Either way the result is the same. It is almost amusing to watch blogs like this disintegrate into the backbiting bs. Orly and her proselytes are true believers. They use their “facts” and “evidence” to convince people who are already half blinded by their own hate to follow her down the road to insurrection in the name of the very thing they profess to defend, the constitution of this country. No amount of zealotry, however well inention should be used to bring down this nation of laws. If she continues to push for armed rebellion, she should be tried for treason. That would be a fair defense of this country.

  36. Also,

    I would like to thank Mr. Wells fo allowing alternative opinions on this bog. I will try to respect you courtesy with courtesy of my own.

    Thank you.

  37. I have to agree with ouraboros.

  38. Air Force Brat

    CW is right.

    My own instinct is to distrust any spate of shrieking hysteria and condescending “anti” rants from any group of posters suddenly appearing out of nowhere. That being said, all any of us can do is wait to see how the matter plays out.

    On another subject, the site http://www.repubx.com appears to be down (“Web page not found”). Anyone else experiencing this?

  39. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    lee // May 5, 2009 at 2:43 am

    J Smith said–And all of you are distracting others from the real problem at hand and that is……………..there is an IMPOSTER in the White House. __________________________________ Wrong! It is the celeb lawyers distracting from a resolution by a misunderstanding of codes,statutes,laws,and precedent setting cases.Wallter Fitzpatrick just accused Barry of treason and was visited by the secret service and not arrested.I support that man more than any lawyer filing numerous cases and never following through as they fall by the wayside from improper filing or a plethora of other problems.Orly has been offered so much help it isn’t funny.Apuzzo,Donofrio,and several erudite readers gave her enormous help with documents and links backing up their position on her blogs,in emails and phone calls.She refused it all.And this has nothing to do with the dialectics of the left or right.This is a constitutional battle for our nation.QW has to be done in DC and DC alone.The only other option is the one that Walter has taken.And that is a military man or woman coming out and accusing Barry of treason.So,it looks like that will see fireworks before Apuzzo,Berg,or Orly’s cases are thrown out.Apuzzo’s is relatively strong but will be delayed or dismissed eventually.
    ***************************************************

    I am very aware of Lt. Fitzpatrick….it still doesn’t mean that you all need to throw anyone else under the bus….everyone has a right to freedom of speech and to do what they want in getting the message out about the IMPOSTER in the White House…..just because you don’t agree with the others doesn’t make it wrong….WE are all on the same side fighting for the same cause…..STOP THE NONSENSE the back biting….this is ridiculous!!

  40. Jacqlyn Smith

    lee // May 5, 2009 at 2:54 am

    J Smith..listen to the 5-03-09 The Chalice show with Commander Walter and a few other guests.It was ezcellent.They know we mnust draw a line in the sand.Barry is destroying the nation rapidly.The problem with Berg and Orly is that they have both refused sound legal advice and help.They ask for money and volunteers,buit have ignored pleas to stay focused with legal actions that will not be thrown out on technicalities.After months of this,one must ask why.and make a decision to support them or move on.They both piggyback a boatload of charges into a hodgepodge of nothingness.

    ****************************************************

    So don’t send them money…..but please….put up or shut up…..you are not helping the cause by throwing other Patriots under the bus…..this is exactly what the IMPOSTER wants!!!!

  41. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Tiger // May 5, 2009 at 3:50 am

    Jacqlyn, I agree with you that this is taking away from the cause. However, you need to write Orly about it. She is the one that started all this. If she felt there was a problem, it should have been kept quiet and between she and the people she has a problem. She is the one that made it public on radios and on blogs. She is the only one that can stop it. She needs to verify the info before she puts it out. I know for a fact that the PI told her not to put the info out about Berg’s ast as he said he could not confirm it…yet she did.

    This needs to end but it has to be with the person who started it.
    ******************************************************

    Look like they are going to fight it out in court…..that should help our cause….NOT!!!

  42. Sigh….where to begin.

    I think that what is happening between the “Berg” side and “Orly” side is just what the ObamaBorg Bots want! Get them fighting amongst themselves and it might take the focus off of the real problem – OBAMAFRAUD!

    I read through some of the comments here, then skipped down to write mine.

    Personally, I think that Mario Apuzzo’s Kershner v. Obama et al lawsuit has the best chance of succeeding. But that is only my own opinion. Does anyone happen to know whether or not an additional extension was given to the defendants in the lawsuit? I hope not. Today was supposed to be the deadline. They already had 60 days – the total amount allowed by law. The longer these lawsuits get stalled and drag on – the more damage the usurper is doing to our beloved nation. Makes me so sad and so angry!!

    However, I pray about it each day. God will answer in His own time and in His perfect way. We can only “see as through a glass darkly.” The unseen spiritual battle behind it all is mostly unknown to us. But the Bible can give us hints.

    Air Force Brat – I had the same trouble trying to get on the RepubX site. Sent an email alerting DefendUSx. Haven’t received a reply yet. It appears that the site has been hacked. The ObamaBorg fears the TRUTH that he is writing! What DefendUSx is sharing is very damaging to
    them!!! I hope he keeps up the great work!

    Thank you too, Citizen Wells. You keep us very well informed too! Appreciate it!

    Sincerely,
    Christine

  43. Libby Jones

    Please, please people think about what Ouraboros said. I’ve thought this about Orly for some time (some nefarious agenda). The first clue was when she leap frogged over the birth certificate issue and went directly to interfering with our military, even after some of the other lawyers advised against it. What better way to weaken a country than to weaken their military. A true patriot would never want our men and women of the military to jeopardize their careers or this country–they give their all to this country each and every day.

    Since the military thing wasn’t working out for her–not enough of our LOYAL military men and women joined in this treasoness call; she then decided I’ll just form my own citizen military and overthrow our federal government. So on Sunday, May 3rd, she made a “call to arm”. Example of this treason made by Orly:

    We have the right to bear arms. Legally we are fine, but what we need is funding: to buy arms, ammo, uniforms, communications. It costs money to build a civilian army. Who can be the partners of the patriots of this country and who can help with funding?

    I would like to know which one of you that truly love this country would fall for Orly’s call for treason. I would like to ask one more thing, which is the most scariest of all–who would want to live in this beloved country, especially if Orly was the leader of it. Can you imagine saying “All Heil Madam Orly Putin”. Folks, this tale of Orly has always been about Orly and her loyalties to the Soviet Union. Please don’t let your hatred for Obama destroy this country. Thanks

  44. Jacqlyn Smith

    Libby Jones—-You are way off your rocker!!!

  45. Libby Jones

    Jacqlyn, I stand by what I said and it seems a few more posters somewhat agee with me. Why are you so venomous when others have opposing views? You can make your point without being outright nasty.

  46. Jacqlynzamoonie

    Unlike the big girl that like to post dozens of times without adding information or insight,many of us do not see this as taking sides.Besides the Usurper in the oval office we have a wholly corrupt government in DC,and a complict one on the state level.So,I understand the inflammatory rhetoric by Orly.But that doesn’t justify a blind support and defense of any of these lawyers.Both Berg and Taitz have steered people away from the nbc eligibility requirement.They’ve included it with a host of tangential charges,but that has no bearing on the laws,codes,and statutes.Stop and review their actions.Berg has always claimed this will all go away with the release of the longform bc.That’s a lie!The bc is not an eligibility requirement to be POTUS.Taitz has pulled out tiny pistols and fired away in all cardinal directions as if she is bound and determined to turn this into a charade.Now,if they were doing what others are doing and seeking a criminal complaint alone,that would be understandable.But the Usurper matter can only be resolved in DC via QW.That wasn’t the case before the dual inauguration,but it is now.Sadly,the police state being erected is in its final stages and this is all coming to a head between July and September of this year.Instead of the games these two clowns are playing they should’ve been amassing numbers to march on DC.Both have lost the respect of serious defenders of the constitution.Orly has just done to many bizarre things to take her at her word.But I will say she is correct in her condemnation of all the gutless politicians and law enforcement agencies neglecting the will of the people.But what she blogs about or says on radio shows should not be included in any lawsuit.The criminals and traitors covering for Barry will reject any case that isn’t nailed down to perfection and the letter of the law.Even then it appears hopeless.The point is that both of these lawyers have shown their true colors over the past several months.

  47. Jacqlynzamoonie

    The QW is a civil action that has to be executed in DC and nowhere else,regardless of QW being an option in other states.Barry is employed in DC,and the Atty General Taylor is the employee that must be pressured to bring it as Holder has a conflict of interest in two ways.A line needs to be drawn in the sand is all with some form of concerted action to back up the pronouncement of action taking place after the deadline.That’s something eveyone fears.And that is why the criminal complaint by Fitzpatrick is excellent.He was visited by 4 G-Men,two being secret service agents,and after their talk they shook his hand and wished him well.He wasn’t arrested.Funny,Orly hasn’t been arrested for all her talk along the same lines.Even stranger that she hasn’t been visited by the secret service.Ask yourself why.The Globalsits bent on destroying the USA aren’t afraid of Orly,but they are afraid of Fitzpatrick.Well,relatively speaking.If he gains enough support,there are options for the traitors.

  48. Jacqlynzamoonie

    I meant US Atty Taylor.The Atty General is Holder.Leo and Mario are the most honest lawyers out there folks.It’s not taking sides,but simple observation.And Leo bowed out because he knows it’s pretty much all over.There just hasn’t been a large enough awakening in time.But the numbers are getting larger,and that is a good sign,as it might deter martial law and slow the takeover process. http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/two-us-postal-receipts-for-letters-to-us-attorney-taylor/ The reason it is believed that this year is the powergrab year is not only Barry’s Marxism,but the secret closed door session last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHTFrt4wGk4

  49. Liberi v. Taitz
    http://www.therightsideoflife.com

    Did anyone actually read the complaint ?

    Orly’s alleged to be using HACKER/TRACKER software from J.S. Kitts.

    Plagerizm of Bergs files, she and her husband have their own proxy server,etc.

    Hopefully she did a better job of assett protection, before she got sued, than the way she has been handling her affairs.

    This combined with the nasty Ethic’s complaint filed against her at the Calif. Bar.

    Pretty damning !

    Too late to cover those assetts now, the Statute of Frauds, would have it’s say in the matter.

  50. paralegalnm

    Orly Taitz did manage to get her case, finally, past the clerk.

    I advised her that no court has taken the Obama case because of the Political Question Doctrine. They will not overturn an election of a popular, black president.

    However, a court can issue a sua sponte definition of the term of art ‘natural born citizen’ which must follow the law and evidence, from lineage and allegiance flowing from the father, and the use of the term by John Jay (1795) and Sen. John Bingham (1866).

    It was Appuzo or Hemenway that correctly defined the jurisprudence of challenges to prima facie evidence, such as the C.O.L.B. The burden of proof is Obama’s, and the C.O.L.B.’s value as evidence is zero.

    If born in Kenya, Obama was only conferred U.S. nationality under 8 USC 1409(c). No U.S. citizenship until Obama, Sr. denied material support and status as legal ‘parent’ of Obama, Jr.

    Then, the mother’s nationality took over and Obama was a U.S. citizen until his Indonesian naturalization. Obama regained his U.S. citizenship under 1952 INA 349(a).

    No court will define ‘natural born’ as a child born with dual nationalities. ‘Native born’ covers that quite sufficiently, and there is no need to conflate the terms of art.

    http://paralegalnm.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/barack-hussein-obama-a-natural-born-subject-of-great-britain/

  51. “Orly’s alleged to be using HACKER/TRACKER software from J.S. Kitts. ”

    That is a crap allegation. JS Kit software is not hacking software. It is software used to allow leaving comments on message boards. As far as the tracking part, it does nothing that a majority of other websites do. It tracks IP address and where someone is coming from ( if referred by another site ).

    It is the SAME thing that Berg had on his site. he had a hidden Java Script ( was just removed last week, wonder why ? ) that tracked more than IP address. Here is the scripting:

    src=”rt.trafficfacts.com/tf.php?k=13808g60f80cf77d6ec7f540e3cb42b16124541ffb6980h6;c=l;v=2

    If you go to trafficfacts.com, you can see what they track

  52. Actually he removed the script from his homepage, but forgot to remove it from the Contact Us page. You can view the source code there

  53. The JS Kitts software was what Taitz accused Ostello of running, but it was Taitz that installed it. I don’t care what it does but she knowingly made a false accusation.

  54. paralegalnm —

    A few facts to consider — Obama, Sr. was married with 2 children in Kenya BEFORE he arrived in Hawaii on a temporary student visa (meaning “no intention” to immigrate). Therefore, the moment he married Ann Dunham, he was a bigamist and immeidately subject to deportation as an ‘immoral alien.’

    This is why it is alleged that the ‘cover-up’ concerning Obama’s birth dated from 1961, and was probably managed by Obama’s grandmother, who seemed to be well-connected with members of the American Communist Party.

    It is this history, more than any other, that has created the total silence concerning ALL of Obama’s records — including college.

  55. paralegalnm

    Bob, Obama, Sr.’s bigamy voided the Obama-Dunham marriage, but his legal standing as ‘parent’ and British jurisdiction in the matter of citizenship did not expire until he failed to support the family.

    If a Hawaiian birth, Obama. Sr. had one year to file the birth with the British secretary of state.

    However, there is no proof of a Hawaiian birth . . . the C.O.L.B. is woefully inadequate and would not stand as evidence in court.

    Therefore, Obama was conferred U.S. nationality only under 8 U.S.C. 1409(c). His U.S. citizenship birthright was triggered by 8 U.S.C. 1101’s definition of legal ‘parent.’

    Once it was clear Obama, Jr. was abandoned by the father, the mother conferred U.S. citizenship for the four years prior to her Indonesian naturalization, which she kept her entire life.

    What I am saying is that the grandmother didn’t have to do or hide anything. While Obama used an Indonesian passport and officially applied to colleges as an Indonesian citizen, sometime between age 14 and 28 he became a U.S. citizen through the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act’s five-year continuous residency requirement of U.S. citizens naturalized as minors by their parents to a foreign nationality.

    Is that clear?

    A critical review of evidence of Obama’s birth will favor the affidavits from Kenya because there are no witnesses in Hawaii. The Hawaii birth registration will prove to be solely from the Haw. Dept. of Health under compulsory registration through Haw. Stat. Rev. § 338-5.

    Therefore, under U.S. law, the Kenyan-born Obama was a British subject at birth with only an inchoate U.S. nationality. Citizen and Nationality are not synonymous, i.e., one can have U.S. nationality without being a citizen.

  56. Taitz is burying herself deeper and deeper, now she’s claiming another source for her accusations against Libiri instead of her earlier claim. Starr was her source, period. Apparantly she has self assigned herself the task of investigating Libiri’s finances.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

  57. As I read elsewhere we are fighting for the principle that a NBC is the person to lead us.

    Yet we follow a Russian Israeli woman who we know nothing about. She seems to have obots protecting her everywhere. I more and more suspect she is an obot planted here to produce dissent. she is good at dissent. she fights with everyone and pays no attention to the law.

    We expect Obama to obey the laws when our leader Orly does not obey any laws. We are being set up by Orly for a fall. She will jump on a plane back to Russia laughing all the way at our stupidity.

    Orly is a shadow of Obama. She is foreign born, we know nothing about her. Same for Obama. He was foreign born and we know nothing about her.

    Any patriotic American who expects a foreign unknown to lead us to get rid of another foreign unknown is a fool not a patriot. Wake up Americans. Stop looking for leadership in Foreign Born Unknown people. Start looking at NBC like our own Lawyers.

    Orly constantly breaks the laws. She never files any thing correctly. She plays the victim game. The only thing she is good at is getting donations. Why is she sending out tens of thousands of emails for donations instead of filing suits correctly. This woman is dangerous. She will destroy our movement.

    We must do as Mark McGrew said to drop Orly like a hot potato and ignore her. She is dead and must be dropped from our cause.

    Berg is a loyal American. We know who he is. If things go bad he will not jump on the next airplane to Russia and disappear. Do not be fools. Do not follow foreigners who claim to get our Constitution fixed. Orly will never fix the Constitution by breaking the laws and inciting riots.

  58. Bye the way Orly obviously uses fake Obot attackes on her site. How come a few selected overt Obot attacks are allowed and even the most mild of disagreement is not allowed.

    People better start looking more closely at Orly or we will lose. Get away from her. Her interest is to get all the money. just like Obama. She is a mirror of Obama. Using Alinsky tactics on everyone.

    Wake up America. You are about to find you are following Obama right to your grave.

    I will put my trust in solid NBC Lawyers who I know I can trust.

    People are so anxious to get rid of Obama that they will follow any fake leader who pops up. Orly is trained in manipulation. She uses playing the Victim role so very well. She is not the victim. She is the victimizer.

    I will confess that I have been a follower of Orly since she first showed up. But now I look more closely and see with a clear vision of what is happening. I hope you will do the same. Do not gamble on foreign leaders. Demand only true NBC leaders.

  59. Taitz’s blog is a mess now. There is no congruency at all. Now what is her focus, exactly, because it appears she’s decided to devote herself to the swine flu scare.

  60. It also appears Taitz is creating fake blogs under other usernames.

  61. Orly continues to overtly not allow postings. There is ridgid control of all postings. Like a Russian dictator. If she is so good at protesting how come she refuses to protest at the Notre Dame commencement. Could it be because it is the President who she works for. Strange she refuses to protest the President at ND.

    I know she refuses because I know a person who invited her to protest and she will not post the offer.

    The sooner Orly is gone the better it will be for our movement.

    Orly hides everything about herself just like Obama does.

    I will choose a NBC for my leader in this movement. We can not succeed with a foreign born agent as our leader. False leaders will fail.

    Look out Orly the truth is coming out. America will be saved. Benedict Arnold was a traitor in the American Revolution for Independence. He was found out before it was too late.

    Benedict Arnold V (January 14, 1741 [O.S. January 3, 1740][1][2] – June 14, 1801) was a general during the American Revolutionary War who originally fought for the American Continental Army but switched sides to the British Empire. As a general still on the American side, he obtained command of the fort at West Point, New York, and attempted unsuccessfully to surrender it to the British. After the plot failed, he served with British forces as a Loyalist.

    Arnold has been called “the best general on either side of the conflict”.[3] He distinguished himself early in the war through acts of cunning and bravery. His many successful actions included the Capture of Fort Ticonderoga in 1775,

  62. Just go look at her blog! She stays up all night submitting requests for her readers to investigate things and email her their findings. This is how she got into the mess she’s in. Now the readers have had enough and are wanting to hold her accountable.

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