US and NC employment status, December 7, 2013, Pearl Harbor like surprise for investors, Obama economy forces labor dropouts part time and discouraged workers, Greensboro News Record factual report

US and NC employment status, December 7, 2013, Pearl Harbor like surprise for investors, Obama economy forces labor dropouts part time and discouraged workers, Greensboro News Record factual report

“You get a declining unemployment rate. But it appears to be an artifact of people leaving the labor force, not of more people having jobs,”… UNCG Economist Andrew Brod, December 5, 2013

“11.4%: What the U.S. unemployment rate would be if labor force participation were back to January 2008 levels.” …James Pethokoukis, American Enterprise Institute, June 2013

“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”…George Orwell, “1984″

Today, December 7, 2013, is the anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

America was caught sleeping then.

Many investors and policy makers are sleeping now.

The real employment picture in the US and NC is much scarier than most people realize. Partly due to the biased or sloppy reporting of the mainstream media.

I was pleased to read the recent report from the Greensboro News Record about the employment situation in NC.

It attempts to accurately portray employment in the region and NC.

From the News Record December 5, 2013.

“Area jobless rate at 5-year low, but it’s a complicated number”

“The unemployment rate in the Greensboro-High Point metro area is the lowest it has been since the beginning of the jobs crisis at the end of 2008.

The October unemployment rate was 8.3 percent, compared with 9.9 percent in October 2012. The figures were released Thursday by the N.C. Department of Commerce and are adjusted for seasonal-hiring variations.

It’s the lowest unemployment rate for the region since November 2008, when unemployment was 7.9 percent.

Triadwide, job growth for hotels and restaurants is soaring, but jobs in the region’s bedrock industry — manufacturing — are still declining.

The unemployment rate shows that fewer people in the overall labor force in the region are unemployed. But a disturbing trend has emerged that may cast a shadow over that bright statistic.

The metro region’s total labor force is smaller than it was a year ago.

In October 2012, 375,137 people said they were working in the Greensboro-High Point metro area. The most recent figures show that figure has dropped by 6,650 to 368,487.

Economist Andrew Brod said that suggests the employment picture is deteriorating here because unemployed people have simply stopped looking for jobs and are no longer counted as part of the labor force.

“You get a declining unemployment rate. But it appears to be an artifact of people leaving the labor force, not of more people having jobs,” said Brod, a senior research fellow at UNCG’s Bryan school of business.”

Read more:

The labor force participation rate in NC has plummeted 2 percent since January of 2013.

And speaking of labor force participation rate.

It rose slightly in November in the US. Probably an adjustment for the .3 percent drop in the prior month.

The reported US unemployment rate is 7 percent.

Sounds great.


Here are a few reality check numbers.

Since Obama took office in January 2009.

Labor force participation rate.

Jan 2009  65.7 %

Nov 2013 63.0 %

Unemployment rate Blacks.

Jan 2009 12.7 %

Nov 2013 12.5 %

Could only find part time work.

Jan 2009 1,676,000

Nov 2013 2,486,000

Do not be swayed by the mavens of misinformation.

The drop in the labor force participation rate was not caused by baby boomers retiring.

59 responses to “US and NC employment status, December 7, 2013, Pearl Harbor like surprise for investors, Obama economy forces labor dropouts part time and discouraged workers, Greensboro News Record factual report

  1. Does anyone have the link to Carl Gallups Freedom Friday show he gave yesterday? I can’t find it anywhere.

  2. “Pearl Harbor – Dec. 7, 1941 – The only color film of the attack”

    Published on December 6, 2012

    At YouTube:

    “NOTE: This is all original color film, not B&W that has been colored, or stock footage made by a studio. This is the only known real color film of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    This COLOR footage of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was shot by CWO4 Clyde Daughtry. The original footage has since been lost, and the poor quality of this footage is due to the fact that it is a copy. Among the many valuable portions of this footage are shots of USS Nevada (BB-36) underway and firing back at Japanese aircraft, USS Oglala (CM-4) rolling over and sinking, and USS St. Louis underway (CL-4).

    A Zephyrhills man stumbled on an incredible find connected to the Pearl Harbor attacks while purchasing war memorabilia.

    John Bolender is an avid collector of WWII memorabilia and recently he placed an ad looking to buy more.

    A woman answered the ad offering to sell boxes of old photos for $400.

    When he opened the boxes he discovered it was filled with hundreds of photos taken by Chief Warrant Officer Clyde Daughtry, a photographer with the Navy.


  3. 8:44 am —

    “Does anyone have the link to Carl Gallups Freedom Friday show he gave yesterday? I can’t find it” anywhere.
    Friday show not at link (yet) … check back later today.

  4. GORDO, et al.
    I met a man who was on a ship & witnessed the attack.

  5. “Ghost of 1929 crash reappears
    Commentary: Pay attention to the signals”

    “They say those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.”

    “Fundamentally, it’s time to start worrying too. With GDP growth petering out (Macroeconomic Advisors is projecting fourth-quarter growth of just 1.2%), Americans abandoning the labor force at a frightening pace, businesses still withholding capital spending, and personal-consumption expenditures growing at levels associated with recent recessions, we’ve past the point of diminishing marginal returns to the Fed’s cheap-money morphine.”

  6. Just after crash of 1929.

  7. Signs Going Up In Doctor’s Offices Across Nation: You Aren’t Covered For Us If You’re In Obamacare

    Read sign here:

  8. Thanks Observer.

  9. My Grandfather was in the U.S. Navy assigned to the Pacific Fleet at the time of the attacks on Pearl Harbor, fortunately he was not based there nor was his ship at that time. He had been in the Navy for almost 2 years at the time of the attack (joined when he was 17) and was in California. He spent the entire war in the Navy and on various assigned ships and 1 sub unit.

  10. I have known at least 2 people who witnessed the attack.
    One was at Hickam Field.

  11. And just to add,

    Both of my grandfathers served in WWII. On family history, I am the only direct descendant who has never served in the military. Trying like hell to keep my son from it as well.

  12. Gordo………
    It should be remembered that in the 1940and 1950s there was but 2 warrant officers ranks in the Navy ie warrant officer,and Chief Warrant officer. Neither had a number designation following his rank. The plain warrant officer was actually a NON COM (pin stripe warrant), and the CWO was a COMMISSIONED Officer. This extended through the Korean war as well.

  13. the numeral following the rank might have been the years that he had been a warrant officer. Interestingly, during the early stages of the Korean war,there was a LDO (Limited Duty Officer) This rank was made up from people who were well educated enlisted men,who were at the rate of then E5 or better. They were sent to Officer Candidate School at Fort Benning Georgia, for a crash course to become an officer. Hence the phrase “90 day wonder”. Most of these people were set back to their enlisted rates at the end of the war,however a very few did receive permanent commissions. One of them was the CO of my last shipboard billet,prior to my discharge in early 11956,at Boston ,MA.

  14. CW,

    My father was in Viet Nam and a fighter pilot in the Air Force, degrees in mechanical and metallurgical engineering. Needless to say, I will never forget his many lectures throughout life growing up pertaining to education. But one I will not forget was blunt as I approached high school graduation mark: You have two choices son, either join the military or go to college (which he had put back funds for, plus scholarships) but you will not stay here.

    I was only 17 (by one month after my birthday) when I graduated High School and was in college the next month. I graduated during the half year Christmas break, and was in college in January.

  15. ERROR date typo NOT 11956, rather January 1956.

  16. William………
    Nothing quite like a little GOOD OLD FASHIONED INCENTIVE, is there! har har. I used the same “logic” on both of my sons. They are both successful businessmen today!…..but neither served in our military services. Have a gtreat day William.

  17. William………
    ………perhaps I should have phrased that “FATHERLY INCENTIVE”…..but I think you got my idea nonetheless.

  18. Gordo…….
    Thanx for posting the Pearl footage. When I was at Pearl Harbor in late 1952, some of the wreckage residual from WW2 had stiil not been removed from the harbor water. There was half of a sunken cargo ship still protruding from the water. It was out of the operating channel so it was not considered to be a danger to navigation. It was then scheduled to be destroyed by explosives and the pieces removed individually from the harbor.

  19. Oldsailor,

    Yep! That’s what my dad says today, it was fatherly love with a boot support!

    I just sent you an email Oldsailor.

  20. To lift the spirit:

    Air Force Band Surprises At The Smithsonian

  21. That Air Force Band Surprise at the Smithsonian:

  22. OldSailor,

    It’s quite comical to hear us speak to each other to this day when I mention anything pertaining to the past of growing up. Of course and true to his nature, he is still blunt and a person of very little words, but powerful ones. Unlike me, he does not ramble and add emotions when he speaks and he takes full usage (advantages) of the English language.

  23. The USS Arizona took a huge amount of Navy #6 fuel oil with it to the bottom. In the last decade multiple leaks of the fuel oil has developed. As of early 2013 there has been a number of people who are concerned about the growing threat of harbor contamination from the wreck. It will soon have to be addressed otherwise the harbor could become severly contaminated. Why the fuel tanks have not ben pumped down is anybody’s guess, but soon Hawaii is going to be faced with the NECESSITY to act . While it is a National TOMB,it might soon have to be violated to remove the potential for a real harbor tragedy.

  24. ……I tend to think that our military leaders are trying to avoid having to do something to stop the leakage. Sooner or later the do nothing upper echelon brass are going to find themselves between a rock and a hard place,and NO WIGGLE ROOM LEFT. The desidue of the ship is deteriorating and somebody needs to get off their a$$es,and get intelligent.

  25. ……..If the occupants of the sunken hull were alive today I personally believe that ALL would be in complete agreement that the hull needs to either be removed ,or some sort of decisive action taken to seal it forever, and in such a way that it cannot be breached.

  26. William…….
    You are in the same approximate age group as is my oldest son. He is now sole owner of the Commercial printing company which his grandfather founded in 1931. It has been reshaped ,bent,and reshaped multiple times in the last 10 years,but it is still alive ,well,and in the black. I like to think that I had a little to do with his success. Un fortunately I do not have a “GRANDSON”, so it is probable that the company will cease to exist at some point later in my son’s life. I am quite proud of his accomplishment.

  27. Observer | December 7, 2013 at 11:15 am |

    OMG! That was simply beautiful! Brought tears to my eyes. Thank you.

  28. William………
    Obviously your father was brought up in a similar manner to me. I was literally raised by my GRAND PARENTS, who immigrated from England in 1910. My father was spending 14 hour days building a business and could not really be a father as such, so I was brought up by my grand parents for the most part. They also supported my distant brother,and educated him. The last that I heard from him,he said that he and his wife were going to Denmark to live. That was in 2003. I have had no further contact with him. He had become Chief Mate aboard a a ship while he was awaiting a command of his own which was then being built. I have heard NOTHING from him since.

  29. Observer…….
    Thanks for posting such a beautiful video. There is nothing quite like the “international language” of great music. Did you notice a few ethnicities, participating in MAKING THE MUSIC? This tells me that there are still a hell of a lot of fine upstanding people the world over whose hearts are in making the world a better place to live,unfortunately we are beset by those who would DESTROY it instead.

  30. oldsailor81…….
    From the other post you said that you do not believe that Barry and Moose are married! She admitted it! In an interview she said..”It is hard being a single parent.” I can not remember who was interviewing her.

    HELL NO THEY ARE NOT MARRIED and I bet you the girls are NOT his daughters! Has any one ever seen her in maternity clothes?

  31. Sueq……..
    Isn’t it amazing what people can do when they have the will. In watching the Observer video I noticed several ethnicities, all participating in a very beautiful rendering of musical quality. To me music is an INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE, which should be taught to all earthly people,at a very young age. Perhaps it would pave an avenue of common decency on earth instead of what we NOW HAVE…… NEAR anarchy!

  32. Ginger……..
    While my conclusions regarding the marital status of MOOCH, and BARRY, was derived via 3 years of persistent research, and the application of plain LOGIC, I firmly believe that one day perhaps very soon I will learn that it will be confirmed as the truth. The two people who assisted with the search were able to open doors that only they could open…..with regards to the Superior Court archives,as well as the PI databases across the country. I have no reason to doubt the findings of these people. They both were then employees of the clerk’s office in a prior administration.

  33. Ginger……..
    I invite you to research the PI databases in Illinois and search for issued marriage licenses going back to 1980 at least. Keep in mind that in most states a CERTIFIED copy of a legally valid BC MUST accompany your request for a marriage license. We were unable to find any evidence whatsoever in ALL of Illinois of a LEGALLY issued license for marriage to Barry Soetoro, which is (so far as I have been able to determine) still his legal name. Therefore he is NOT EVEN THE LEGALLY ELECTED POTUS. The name Barrack H Omama was the elected POTUS…..which sadely is only a now unowned name…legally.

  34. …………..and when PUSH comes to SHOVE the perpetrator of evil,can simply say I am Barry Soetoro, not Barrack H Obama. So I am NOT RESPONSIBLE for his actions as POTUS. har har.

  35. oldsailor81 | December 7, 2013 at 12:14 pm |

    Isn’t it amazing what people can do when they have the will. In watching the Observer video I noticed several ethnicities, all participating in a very beautiful rendering of musical quality. To me music is an INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE, which should be taught to all earthly people,at a very young age. Perhaps it would pave an avenue of common decency on earth instead of what we NOW HAVE…… NEAR anarchy!
    I agree! While listening, I just wanted to lift my hands and worship God Almighty! If our eyes were on Him, we would be treating each other with much more decency.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama forbids the Air Force from ever doing this again. He hates competition.

  36. oldsailor81…..I am wondering
    Is there any way to check the names of the people who ran the Illinois Barr when Barry and moose were DISBARRED??? I am just wondering if any of them has…. you know DIED for some reason? And maybe the computer system at that time crashed and there is no information for any hacker to find. I heard that Barry’s itinerary as State Senator disappeared so we could not find out where and what he did. You know like leave the country on his passport where he ended up in Russia. hmmm Yes I have heard that he lied on his application about not ever using another name but I have not seen the form that ask that question!

    I wonder if Sheriff Joe and Appaeio (sp.) has checked into that part of the kenyan frauds life!

  37. This is what continues to scare the daylight out of me. A lot of spraying has been going on and I have been having trouble breathing when I go out and come back in. Sometimes when they spray in the middle of the night I can smell a chemical odor.

  38. Excellent!

    Economist Williams: Obama Incompetent, ‘Beyond Learning’

    President Barack Obama will never able to learn from the late Nelson Mandela about how to properly govern a nation, says Walter E. Williams, a syndicated columnist and economist at George Mason University.

    “He’s beyond learning. He has another agenda and, firstly, I don’t think Obama is his own man,” Williams told “The Steve Malzberg Show” at Newsmax TV.

    “He is a puppet of George Soros,” he added, referring to the liberal billionaire businessman and philanthropist.

    Williams believes Obama’s presidency ultimately will be regarded along the lines of Jimmy Carter’s “somewhat failed” administration.

    He said it is unfortunate that America’s first black president is “incompetent.”

    “Back in 1947 when Jackie Robinson came into the Major Leagues … he had to be that good. Blacks could not afford an incompetent baseball player,” Williams said.

    “And as a result of Jackie Robinson, [Roy] Campanella, and all these other guys, I can get out and play baseball, and basketball as well, and nobody watching my behavior can say, ‘Well damn, those blacks can’t play baseball or basketball..’

    “That is, right now we can afford, black people can afford incompetent baseball players or basketball players or football players but they cannot afford an incompetent president. And it turns out that Barack Obama is an incompetent president and a part of the tragedy of it.”
    But he said that says more about Americans than about Obama.

    “This is the first time in our history that a person could have been elected to the highest office in the land who had long-time associations with people who hate our country such as Rev. [Jeremiah] Wright, who said, well black people should not sing God Bless America but … Damn America,” Williams said.

    ” He was a long-time associate with Willie Ayers, who bombed the building along with his wife and other shady characters and so this says something about the American people who would elect a person to office like that.

    But maybe a whole lot of whites, maybe they had some of their guilt taken care of by saying, well gee, I voted for a black person.”

    Read Latest Breaking News from

  39. Remember this article at CW?

    “Citizen Wells articles about fraud committed by Obama on his Illinois Bar Application have been getting a lot of attention lately. I am reprinting what I consider to be the more damning one. Andy Martin, whether you agree with him or not, was in the forefront of questioning Barack Obama prior to 2008. Martin has a legal background and below you will see his complaint against Obama from March 13, 2007 filed with the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission. You will also find an email exchange between me and Andy Martin.”

  40. Andy Martin filed a formal complaint with the Illinois Board of Admissions, Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission and Illinois Supreme Court on March 13, 2007.

    “March 13, 2007

    Illinois Board of Admissions to the Bar
    625 S. College Street
    Springfield, IL 62704
    via fax (217) 522-3728
    with copies to:

    Attorney Registration and
    Disciplinary Commission
    Suite 1100
    130 E. Randolph Street
    Chicago, IL 60601
    via fax (312) 565-1806

    Illinois Supreme Court
    Supreme Court Building
    Springfield, IL 62706

    Re: Barack Hussein Obama (see attached)

    Dear Board, Commission and Clerk’s Office:

    I am addressing the following complaint to all three of your offices because
    I am not sure which of you has jurisdiction to review the matters submitted

    Please deem this letter a formal complaint and request for investigation
    submitted to all three of your offices, although I understand that only one
    office will likely have authority to proceed with an actual investigation.

    1. Background facts

    a. Bar admission of Barack Hussein Obama
    Mr. Obama was admitted to the Illinois Bar on December 17, 1991 (see
    attached ARDC page). He is currently inactive.

    b. IBAB requirements
    The IBAB requires that bar admission applicants disclose whether they have
    outstanding parking tickets (see attached excerpt from current application).
    Obviously, in so far as the admission of Mr. Obama is concerned, the form of
    the 1991 IBAB application would be controlling.

    c. Outstanding parking tickets of Obama
    Mr. Obama recently paid outstanding parking tickets that were unpaid at the
    time of his admission to the bar (see attached news stories).

    2. Legal issues
    If in 1991 Mr. Obama signed an application to IBAB and denied that he owed
    outstanding parking tickets, he falsified his application and gained
    admission to the bar by fraud.

    3. Request for relief/investigation/action
    I would respectfully submit that Mr. Obama’s 1991 application should be
    scrutinized to determine whether he falsified his answers and whether he
    gained admission to the bar on the basis of fraudulent representations.
    If the investigating authority determines that Mr. Obama’s answers were
    deceptive, I believe an appropriate sanction should be imposed. It obviously
    should not be a major sanction but a public reprimand or other appropriate
    sanction should be imposed to protect the integrity of the admissions

    Respectfully submitted,

  41. Here is an email exchange from 2008 between Citizen Wells and Andy Martin.

    From: Citizen Wells
    To: Andy Martin

    Sun, Sep 21, 2008 7:37 PM

    What was the outcome of your March 13, 2007 complaint to the Illinois Supreme Court
    regarding Obama’s application?

    From: Andy Martin
    To: Citizen Wells

    Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:40 PM
    Nothing. Obama had already resigned as a lawyer and so they had no jurisdiction over him.

    From: Citizen Wells
    To: Andy Martin

    Sep 21, 2008 at 7:45 PM
    Thanks for the rapid response.
    However, is there not a penalty for supplying false information?

    From: Andy Martin
    To: Citizen Wells

    Sep 21, 2008 at 7:48 PM
    Not if they have lost jurisdiction over the individual. They can’t punish someone who has resigned, which is why so many corrupt lawyers in Illinois resign before they are disbarred.

  42. Form on IL bar application for names:

  43. On this day in 1865, Slavery was Abolished by the REPUBLICAN PARTY

    December 6th, 2012 | Author: milwaukeeco1
    On this day in 1865, the 13th Amendment — abolishing slavery — became part of the Constitution — when ratified by three-quarters of the states.

    Despite protests from the Democrats, the Republican Party made banning slavery part of its national platform in 1864. Senator Lyman Trumbull (R-IL) wrote the final version of the text, combining the proposed wordings of several other Republican congressmen.

    All Republicans in Congress voted for the 13th Amendment, while nearly all Democrats voted against it. So strongly did President Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) support the 13th Amendment, he signed the document, though presidential approval is not part of the amendment process.

    Yes, outlawing slavery was a Republican achievement.

  44. Hero Tour: Pearl Harbor Memorial Anniversary Tour

  45. Mr. Wells

    Thank you for posting this information that I was asking about. Some how I missed your article of 2012/04/09 The scumbag TRAITOR sure has covered his lies! Well not all of them!

    Do you remember when Barry was campaigning and we bloggers were blogging faster then his evil doers could do to delete things. Any way Barry had a wreck in Hawaii when he was younger and was supposed to of gone to court and never did show up. Well low and behold right after a blogger found it on the Hawaii records his fine was PAID! I hear that is where he got his scar on the side of his head so if true there would be a record of it at one of the hospitals and the officer that was there to investigate the wreck. ??????

    Thanks again for spending the time to educate me. ha ha ha ha

  46. What is so funny that two things that I can think of that the media does not bash us over is…

    The media never bashes us when we call the Kenyan fraud Barry Soetoro.
    Not a word! The media never mentions that Barry and moose are/were lawyers. Never! Not in the past tense nor the present tense. They just call Barry a professor! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  47. Ginger.
    The Citizen Wells reporting on the IL Bar Application is one of the most often linked to from other sites.

  48. Ginger | December 7, 2013 at 12:10 pm |

    Hi Ginger,

    This is what I’ve been saying for quite some time: Those are not a woman’s biceps and shoulders and that certainly isn’t a woman’s face. We women seem to have the capacity to spot a man masquerading as a woman; to us, they stick out like a sore thumb.

    It’s been circulating for a while around the blogosphere that Michelle was born Michael. Those are not her children; just look at them…which one of them do they resemble? Neither.

    Both Topix and Before It’s News are sites we’ve all been to.

    So, it appears that we have a homo/bisexual ‘married’ to a transvestite/transsexual with two daughters from who-knows-where in the White House.

    (This post may go into moderation for too many links).

  49. Slap: Democrat Candidate Calls On
    Congress To Investigate Obama ID Fraud

    Democratic candidate for Michigan governorship Mark McFarlin appeared on Where’s Obama’s Birth Certificate Blog Talk Radio show to discuss his recent comments questioning Obama’s birth certificate.

    McFarlin says an international team of experts need to be given access to Obama’s original birth records at the Hawaii Department of Health stating Obama waived his privacy rights pertaining to the birth certificate. McFarlin says if elected he will try to bring Obama’s id fraud to the forefront and use his powers as governor to address it. He further states statute covers treason against the United States. This is a must hear interview…

  50. SueK,

    Are you serious? I grew up with a lot of black people. As much as I can’t stand BS (Barry Soetoro), I don’t see Mooch being a man. I think these speculations of her being a transvestite are kind of nuts. Yes, she is domineering and overbearing but I think she is female. We’ve all known women like that.

  51. Everyone has an opinion and can believe what they want however, I do not think it’s female.

    Observer, I don’t think that’s it, either.

  52. December 7, 2013

    CDR Kerchner (Ret)’s Blog:

    “Crowd Research: For historical research purposes, do you know the names of any of the people in this picture with Obama? If so, post the number and name in comments. #5 is allegedly Barry Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Obama.”

  53. SueK | December 7, 2013 at 9:56 pm |

    You most certainly have a right to your opinion. Sorry for the way I phrased my comment. Take care.

  54. Sueq……………
    While I am not entirely sure regarding the transvestite theory, I would hasten to add that there are drugs out there today,and have been available for people who are sexually re assigned. In the case of male to female there have been a number of widely publicised such surgeries that have already been done successfully. The drugs allow for the development of breasts etc. It is really sad that children are allowed to grow up without sexual re assignment when it is obvious that nature has made a mistake in it’s genderassignment to a person.. Such surgery is actually being done quite a lot now.. Mother nature does make a mistake from time to time.

  55. ………..and I have absolutely no quarrel with that. Where I depart from this path is when a HOMOSEXUAL person attempts to solicit another person for his DEVIATE practice. There is a HUGE difference between a mistake of nature,and a person who deliberatly engages in RECREATIONAL HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICES. In the 1950s such attemps to solicit US servicemen very often led to severe beatings of homosexuals,particularly in California near military bases. When my ship was re assigned to Long Beach,destroyer base is when I personally experienced such a solicitation. Fortunately I simply walked away from the perpetrator,and he GOT THE MESSAGE without the need to demonstrate.

  56. …..all of this occurred within 500 feet of the main gate of the Destroyer Base. MPor SP,or AP have absolutely no authority over civilian perpetrators. Yet when a swab jock decides to ring a queer’s bell the jock ends up in the stockade at Camp Pendleton (which was the military slammer for the entire Naval district.)

  57. CW……………..
    Thanks for posting the info from Andy Martin. He used to refer to himself as a “MUCKRAKER”. He also ventured to Hawaii in an attempt to find additional info,but I was never privvy to what he was able to glean from HDOH. My guess is that it was probably NOTHING. I would be the t to suggest that one or two of the lower echelon people at HDOH need to receive extended vacations at a really lousy SLAMMER…….perhaps they would learn how to SING while on vacation.

  58. Bye bye. Have a great day! Godbless!

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