Obama, Grand jury indictments, Update, July 6, 2009, American Grand Jury, Patriot’s Heart Network’s trip to Washington DC, Chalice

** Note update, correction from Chalice below **

Here is an update from Chalice regarding the Grand jury indictments and the recent trip made to Washington, DC:

“Patriot’s Heart Network releases the following:
Following Patriot’s Heart Network’s trip to Washington DC along with American Grand Jury representatives, Dr. Penny Kelso, Mack Ellis and Carl Swensson, Chalice reports the following:
Patriot’s Heart Network contacted Chief Magistrate Judge Royce Lamberth’s office this morning.  The following information was provided:
1)     A case number will be assigned to the American Grand Jury presentments served to the District Court on Monday July 13th, 2009.  The number will be provided to Carl Swensson shortly.
2)    Chief Magistrate Judge, Royce Lamberth will make a decision on the American Grand Jury presentment.
3)    Citizens can file petitions with the court once a number is provided.  Further information will be forthcoming.
4)    A Lawyer is needed who can instruct on the process of petition filing in the US District Court.
Please support Patriot’s Heart Network and The American Grand Jury as we continue following up on the July 13 and 14 trip to Washington DC where the court was served.  Follow up posts can be seen at http://americangrandjury.org, http://riseupforamerica.com, http://patriotsheartnetwork.com and http://patriotsheartnetwork.net (news is posted on the .net site).
The American Grand Jury and Patriot’s Heart Network is returning to Washington DC on July 20, 21, and 22 and need your help and support.  As 5 teams, each consisting of  2 members, one a Grand Jury representative and one a Citizen Journalist from Patriot’s Heart Network, arrive in Washington on July 20th the next step in the process will follow.  These 5 teams will serve and record the service of the American Grand Jury presentments to every member of Congress. 
We need people on the ground before we go, while we are there and for follow up.  This is serious.  The time is NOW for this issue to be heard and seen.  Please help.  Contact Patriotsheartnetwork.net to find out how you can help.  Also look at instructions on the websites listed above.
Funds are urgently needed to finance the 10 individuals who will be in DC for those three days.  Please go to Patriot’s Heart Network to make a donation to the teams.  You will enjoy the fruit of your tithe as you watch the teams progress through the Congressional buildings!  Patriot’s Heart Network will stream the feeds to America!
This post provides instructions on how you can help. http://www.patriotsheartnetwork.net/forum/topics/urgent-urgent-contact-royce
Patriot’s Heart Network”

** Update, correction from Chalice July 7, 2009 **

Mr. Wells.
Please correct 2 typos in the original article I sent to you in email yesterday!
A case number will be assigned to the American Grand Jury presentments served to the District Court on Monday July 13th, 2009. 
The date should read June 29th
 The American Grand Jury as we continue following up on the July 13 and 14 trip to Washington DC where the court was served. 
 Should read June 29-30th 2009
 Also, please offer your readers three links posted on Patriotsheartnetwork.net.  These links provide information about who Royce Lamberth is.  It is important to know who he is!  Are we excited?  Yep!  This is the court where  Statute 3501 has jurisdiction. What His Honor Lamberth does, is pure speculation.
Chief Magistrate Judge of the U.S. District Court, Royce Lamberth
Please read Chief Magistrate Royce Lamberth’s official bio HERE
Please Read about His Honor Royce Lamberth on Wiki HERE
Lamberth’s judicial honor is discussed HERE
Lastly, Patriot’s Heart Network and The American Grand Jury is returning to Washington DC on July 20th with 5 teams to serve every member of Congress.  Each team will consist of an American Grand Jury Rep and a Citizen Journalist from PHN recording the event. This will be broadcast over the Internet with Twitter teams  following us.  PHN and AGJ is seeking on the ground help from citizens calling their congressmen and women, alerting them their office will be served with the Grand Jury  Presentments, asking them to receive the documents, explaining what the Grand Jury is to the staffers and why the eligibility issue is key to our nation’s future!  It was our observation during the June 29-30th trip to DC, that most don’t have a clue about Citizen Grand Juries.  Patriot’s Heart Network is raising $10,000 to fund this trip.  American Grand Jury is not soliciting funds.  PHN is doing that on behalf of both, specifically for this trip.  For more information and latest updates please watch “You and Those Stars” with Stan Solomon and Chalice tonight 7-9pm EST.   
What is the goal of this trip?  The 1st amendment assures Citizens the right to redress.  These Grand Jury indictments have been made and it is time the elected representatives are alerted.  What steps will follow July 20-22, 2009, will be determined at that time.
Thank you, Mr. Wells, for providing this follow-up!

90 responses to “Obama, Grand jury indictments, Update, July 6, 2009, American Grand Jury, Patriot’s Heart Network’s trip to Washington DC, Chalice

  1. Regarding item 4 in Chalice’s report; it would seem that here is the perfect opportunity for JBJD to do some additional “instructing”.

  2. JBJD………………
    It would seem that here is a perfect opportunity for you to assist Chalice in filing their documents. They have stated that they are in need of procedural legal advice. (See Article 4 in her report) shown in the blog in the beginning of this page. Hope you can help!

  3. decentAmerican

    So the Usurper is in Russia, seemingly bragging about this “reset” in relations, and hoping that he will go down in history as making the world safe! But then, when have other nuclear nations ever followed the treaties, and will our enemies like NK and Iraq be laughing at us for lowering our defenses, while they RAISE their potential for attacking us? what exactly does he think he is doing by making America less safe? Our safety and security gets compromised daily by this trash.

  4. Thanks for the update CW.

    The GJ presentments will be heard. The question is will the court act, or sit on its hands like its been doing since day one?

    Mr. Pidgeon might be the best attorney for this endeavor as he’s already started a grand jury himself.

  5. magna carta

    I hope this goes our way…I’m getting tired of the desert.
    If this judge accepts the case number he then accepts the American Grand Jury as viable???

  6. Does anyone know if the past cases that have already been denied, or dismissed by scotus can be consolidated, and brought into the grand Jury action?

  7. oldsalt77 and Everyone,

    As you may have noticed, on both this and several other blogs, as well as my own oft-neglected site, I answer writers’ legal questions, both solicited and unsolicited. (I respond faster when asked directly for an opinion.) No one from this group has contacted me asking for help. (As far as I can tell from the article, it looks like these people from the grand jury group called the clerk of courts asking about the process of filing some sort of petition in federal court; and the clerk merely explained the general process. If this is the case then, the internet is filled with samples of federal complaints; all they have to do is come up with an appropriate cause of action to fill in, making sure they satisfy requirements of standing and venue, which, as they will read in on-line pleadings, must be spelled out in the complaint.)

  8. truthbetold11

    Andy Martins finally came up for air with his new column. Of course he’s not a big fan of Palin resigning. HEY andy she’s not a politician get that through you thick skull. This might shock you but she’s a AMERICAN who chose to serve out of the corruption of her state and walked into darkness up there and turned it in to light. Thats what all GOP’s are afraid of their own world being rocked by a honest citizen, who won’t be attacked for no reason. When letterman didn’t get at least suspended this opened the door for other attacks by anyone. Palin said enough is enough and went on the offense. Thats how you Win!

  9. I would suggest REMOVING THIS ARTICLE KEEPING this under WRAPS, close to the vest, at least UNTIL #2 is decided.

  10. JeffM—I’m in total agreement with your

  11. I am with you “Old Salt” in regards to having “jbjd” help Chalice. Since following Citizen Wells my respect for him grows daily. Our time is running out and further delay will lead to disaster.

    Remember these lines from Shakespeare’s “Life and Times of
    Julius Caesar” – Act 4

    “There is a tide in the affairs of men,
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.” – Brutus

  12. Maddie,

    Thanks. If he’s not available, I’m sure others can help. All they are asking for is some counsel re. process and procedures.

  13. http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/
    Awesome video with July4th Patriot!Awesome site!

  14. Civis naturaliter natus

    Jbjd wrote on his blog:

    “Finally, let me repeat what I have been saying now for months: stop trying to prove BO is not a NBC. Verifying the Constitutional eligibility of the nominee for POTUS from the major political party before allowing our state elections officials to enter his name on our general elections ballots was never our job; we sub-contracted that job to the major political party. And, in the case of the Democratic Party, they refuse to establish, they did their jobs.”

    I agree in part. Scotus has already declared which class of citizens is termed “natural born citizens”, and it does not include Obama. See Minor vs. Happert, and the Elg case. I think it is more important to cite those cases than given general legal counsel to pass the buck to our do-nothing elected officials.

    I hope you give the Grand Jury Folks some advice on how to file a Quo Warrento action in DC District Court…

  15. http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
    HR 1388 passed in the middle of the night by EO!!!!

  16. Civis, what that selected quote means, is this. For example, in GA, whose legislature passed a law that says, the candidate for POTUS from the major political party must be a NBC…NP, writing as the Chair of the 2008 DNC Convention, submitted to the S of S a Certification of Nomination that BO was the D nominee for POTUS. Okay; but on what basis did she Certify he is a NBC? We asked; but she refused to answer our question. So, we asked the party; but they refused to answer. I wrote that comment to make the point, we can establish fraud was committed without ‘proving’ whether BO is a NBC. It is the job of our paid elected state officials in the AG’s office to investigate charges of election fraud. So, if in order to get onto the state general election ballot, the candidate proposed by the major political party must be eligible for the job; and NP swore, BO is eligible for the job; then, she should at least respond to requests as to the basis on which she made such determination. That she doesn’t respond to such requests; and further, that the party won’t, either, establishes a prima facie case for fraud. That is, did you sign this document without establishing, what you swore to was true, with the intent to get BO’s name on the ballot without such verification? We already pay our A’sG to conduct investigations into citizen charges of fraud; and they have legal authority to subpoena documents from businesses – the DNC – operating in the state. The S of S could also withhold business licenses from the D party and its various iterations.

    This is a variation of the military Complaint I drafted months ago. That is, I advise that the way to de-throne BO and the DNC is to shift the burden of proof/production to them.

  17. Hope this isn’t a repeat…but if it is…..it is worth it:

    Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson, Brian Williams and a tough old U.S. Marine Sergeant were captured by terrorists in Iraq . The leader of the terrorists told them he’d grant each of them one last request before they were beheaded and dragged naked through the streets.

    Katie Couric said, ‘Well, I’m a Southerner, so I’d like one last plate of fried chicken.’

    The leader nodded to an underling who left and returned with the

    chicken. Couric ate it all and said, ‘Now I can die content.’

    Charlie Gibson said, ‘I’m living in ‘ New York , so I’d like to hear the song, The Moon and Me, one last time.’

    The terrorist leader nodded to another terrorist who had studied the Western world and knew the music. He returned with some rag-tag musicians and played the song.

    Gibson was satisfied.

    Brian Williams said, ‘I’m a reporter to the end. I want to take out my tape recorder and describe the scene here and what’s about to happen. Maybe, someday, someone will hear it and know that I was on the job till the end.’

    The leader directed an aide to hand over the tape recorder and Williams dictated his comments.

    He then said, ‘Now I can die happy.’

    The leader turned and asked, ‘And now, Mr.. U.S. Marine, what is your final wish?

    ‘Kick me in the ass,’ said the Marine.

    ‘What?’ asked the leader, ‘Will you mock us in your last hour?’

    ‘No, I’m NOT kidding. I want you to kick me in the ass,’ insisted the Marine.

    So the leader shoved him into the yard and kicked him in the ass.

    The Marine went sprawling, but rolled to his knees, pulled a 9 mm pistol from inside his cammies and shot the leader dead.

    In the resulting confusion, he emptied his sidearm on six terrorists, then with his knife he slashed the throat of one, and with an AK-47, which he took, sprayed the rest of the terrorists killing another 11..

    In a flash, all of them were either dead or fleeing for their lives.

    As the Marine was untying Couric, Gibson, and Williams, they asked him, ‘Why didn’t you just shoot them all in the first place? Why did you ask him to kick you in the ass?’

    ‘What?’ replied the Marine, ‘and have you three assholes report that I was the aggressor….?’

    Semper Fi!

  18. dang CW….how did I get in timeout?? LOL

  19. jbjd,

    Filing quo warranto automatically shifts the burden of proof to the one in office.

    Unfortunately the issue of standing gets in the way. But that’s where your recommendations come into play, especially those in criminal trials, i.e. active duty military trials.

  20. Sandy,

    Musta been Ed the Obots fault!

    Any good news out of Alaska Today. Is she gonna ROLL?

  21. Madam President Palin 🙂

    Hmmmm … has a nice ring to it.

  22. jbjd,

    Can’t we get a republican in Georgia to MOVE ON THIS?

    I as a layman believe that it is worth moving on it. Good work but lets move on it and not waste it.

    Maybe contacting Carl from the Grand Juries would be the next step…he started in Georgia I believe and has contacts there and would knwo what to do if it is just added evidence for Future Grand Juries.

    Patriots, Lets Roll.

  23. truthbetold11

    Palin must know that the office was stolen from her. All’s she has to do is tell the truth. Example when she inquires to all the states about being on the ballot and its requirements. that will stir up a hornets nest.

  24. From Patriot Hearts: Pravda announces to the world about the National Grand Jury indicting Obama for Treason.


    Please do not underestimate the importance of this breaking news. The ENTIRE world reads Pravda and Obama is in Russia today….

    Click here for part one http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/01-07-2009/107897-Obama

    Click here for part two http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/02-07-2009/107912-Obama

  25. Great article on Obanomics and what we are facing. California is our benchmark IOU’s are in everyone’s future.


  26. PRWH and Everyone, R’s have no monopoly on patriotism. Any citizen of any state has the right to petition state government. (In my state, we have a category of registration called “Unenrolled.” This is different from “Independent.”) GA is a great state to petition the AG, because of that law requiring the major political party to put forward only a candidate for POTUS who is eligible for the job. Thus, submitting the DNC Certification of BO’s Nomination was tantamount to Certifying, he is a NBC. (HI would be even better because of their law requiring the party to Certify explicitly, he is eligible for the job, which NP did, adding a line to the Certification used in the other 49 states. Although, any such state will do; after all, we need only 1 state AG to find, the DNC cannot establish it had a rational basis to Certify, BO is a NBC.)

  27. jbjd, Hope you can follow this:

    Here’s Kentucky’s stance on the eligibility/inelegibility issue in emails from the SOS and Atty Gen.

    Good afternoon Mr. Rocknee,

    Thank you for sharing the Attorney General’s response relating to the eligibility of President Obama. The Office of Secretary of State is
    ministerial in its duties. The Courts have determined that filing officials must accept the filing document as long as it is regular on
    its face and that filing officials do not determine the eligibility or qualifications of a candidate. Kentucky statutes do not require any
    candidate to provide proof of citizenship or a birth certificate. We have no legal authority to investigate the qualifications of a candidate
    or the information a candidate provides on his/her filing form.

    I hope this information provides clarification of the role of a filing official in accepting filing documents from candidates.

    Thank you.


    Mary Sue Helm, Election Administrator for
    Trey Grayson, Secretary of State
    502-564-3490, ext 416

    —–Original Message—–
    From: webmaster@kentucky.gov [mailto:webmaster@kentucky.gov]
    Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:56 PM
    To: SOS Webmaster (SOS)
    Subject: Website Email: Obama’s Eligibility/Ineligibility to be

    Name | Rocknee
    Company |
    Address1 |
    Address2 |
    City |
    State | KY
    Zip |
    Phone |
    Email |
    Date | 6/7/2009 2:55:43 PM
    Subject | Obama’s Eligibility/Ineligibility to be president

    I received this email for the Kentucky Attorney General’s Office and would like a response from you. Also, I will send this to you by mail as well.



    Thank you for your email alleging that President Obama is not a natural born citizen of this country. Because the President
    of the United States is elected in a federal election this office has no jurisdiction to undertake an investigation of these allegations.
    Therefore, we will be taking no action on this issue.

    Again, thank you for writing to General Conway.

    Tad Thomas on behalf of Attorney General Jack Conway

  28. truthbetold11

    I agree. As far as the country knew, McCain was a NBC w/the Resolution and being a War Hero. It would make for a great discussion this summer!!

  29. New post up on World Net Daily ..

    The hospital in HI says they will not confirm or deny that Obama was born there. They show a letter on their web site from the TOTUS, on Whitehouse Letterhead, in which he claims to have been born there.

    When asked .. they won’t tell!

  30. Rocknee, get this over to my blog. Short story, we are not talking about the ministerial duties of the S of S here, or of qualifications for federal offices. We are talking about state laws that mandate how a major political party approved to operate in that state may get the name of (electors for) their nominee for POTUS on the state’s general election ballot. And if the party violated the law so as to get the state to print the name of its nominee on the ballot, that is election fraud. Surely, KY law describes the function of the Office of the AG as having the authority to investigate charges of election fraud in a state election! DO NOT LET YOUR STATE ELECTED OFFICIALS OFF THE HOOK. (Sorry for shouting.)

  31. August 20, 2008

    Jack Conway, Attorney General
    Office of the Attorney General
    The Capitol, Suite 118
    700 Capitol Avenue
    Frankfort, KY 40601-3449
    VIA FAX: 502.564.2894

    SUBJECT: Solicitation to Violate Kentucky Revised Law 118.641 Distribution of authorized delegate vote among party candidates.

    Dear Attorney General Conway:

    Here in Kentucky, obeying the above-cited law means that pledged delegates selected as the result of votes cast for Senator Clinton in the Presidential primary election must vote for her during first-round balloting at the nominating convention of the Democratic Party. But in what can at best be interpreted as an overzealous advocacy on behalf of Senator Obama, in states throughout the country, including Kentucky, proponents for his nomination have bombarded Senator Clinton’s delegates with subtle and not-so-subtle pressures to commit to switching support to him, before the convention. Or, failing that, they replace the Clinton-pledged delegate with one loyal to Obama. (See examples below. Note that while the first link shows the copy of a letter Senator Obama’s campaign sent to pledged delegates in Georgia, they distributed this same letter to delegates in all states. And Georgia, like Kentucky, mandates pledged delegates to follow their candidates into the convention.)

    Therefore, in Kentucky (and Georgia, and New Hampshire, and Indiana, and numerous other states), encouraging delegates entrusted with representing the political preference of Clinton voters to pledge their support before the convention to Obama solicits these delegates to break the law. As a concerned citizen of Kentucky, I am bringing this matter to your immediate attention, anticipating you will take appropriate action to ensure that from now on, any campaigning in this state related to the upcoming Democratic National Convention is consistent with Kentucky laws.


    References: “Bearing Witness” (posting of letter from Khalil Thompson, Obama for America, Chicago) http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/bearing-witness.html
    Clinton supporters protesting removal of delegate at Democratic National Convention http://www.whas11.com/news/local/stories/WHAS11_POLITICS_080814_CLINTONOBAMA.486a4d97.html

    “Explain, Dems tell Clinton delegate” (article on state party efforts to discipline Colorado delegate for Clinton for refusing to switch to Obama)

    Copy: Trey Grayson, Secretary of State
    VIA FAX: 502.564.2476

    Jennifer Moore, Chair, Kentucky Democratic Party

    See, I have been working on these issues, all over the country, for a long time.

  32. Rocknee and others, I posted a letter I had sent to the KY AG last August 2008 but, it contained several links and so, ended up in moderation. I have asked cw to retrieve this. In short, Mr. Conway has already been alerted, the D’s are not playing fair in his commonwealth. This latest fraud only adds fuel to the fire.

  33. Jack Conway, AG of KY, is making a run at U.S. Senate. Good leverage. HRC creamed BO in KY. I need some Kentuckians.

  34. I forgot, Mr. Conway is a D. The leverage is, will he refuse to do his job as AG because he is a D and is being asked to investigate the D’s? So, what can KYans expect if he becomes a U.S. Senator?

  35. jbjd,

    Posted under Pelosi Comitting Fraud

  36. That why I sent this to Conway. He is running against Jim Bunning for Senator. Kentucky voted roughly 63% for McCain/Palin.

  37. Minority Leader(R) McConnell got served a presentment last week. Maybe Bunning (R) will get his next week.

    If I were Sen Bunning I might like to find a solid way to stay in office next year. Get my drift!!

  38. Civis naturaliter natus


    O.K. I see where you are comming from. The only problem is, that it seems that the elected officials have all agreed never to initiate action that would attempt to substantiate the claims of Obama’s elegibility, either made by Congress implicitly on Jan 8th, by the DNC in Georgia, or by Obama’s Fact Check site.

    So one returns to making appeals to do nothing elected or appointed officials.

    The biggest problem is, that when our elected officials agree not to do their duty, the doctrine of standing is employed to prevent common citizens having recourse to the courts, and our petitions to them for redress are unheard, and the courts will do nothing about this transgression of the first amendment.

    So we are checkmated…by anti-Constitutional forces…

  39. Civis naturaliter natus

    That means, in effect, that the “government by the people, of the people and for the people” has “perished from the earth”, to rebut the high intention of Lincoln’s Gettyburg Address.

  40. goodtimepolitics

    We the American people are starting to get enough of Obama and his radical policies and the polls show it. The media is still not reporting the true news!


  41. Civis: That’s why we’ve preserved the 1st and 2nd amendments to rabidly.

  42. Cnn, no, no, no. We created government to serve us; but this does mean, each of us can order government officials to do whatever we want. I have seen some of the correspondence sent to state officials; accusations masquerading as fact, cites to internet gurus using nom de plumes, etc. It’s no wonder state officials exercised their discretion not to investigate. No; I am specifically not questioning BO’s eligibility in these fraud complaints. I am saying that, in those states with laws that require the nominee for POTUS from the major political party to be eligible for the job, the party has only sworn he is eligible but refuses to produce the evidence on which they based this determination. And people have asked, in writing. That’s all. (Given the confirmation that came out of Hollister, the assumption I made in the military complaint proved true: the strongest evidence BO could produce of eligibility is a photocopied COLB. And we know, in HI, this only tends to prove you were born alive. So, what did NP rely on to Certify, BO is a NBC, in order to get his name on the ballot?)

  43. “this does mean” = “this does not mean”

  44. There is no guarantee that this case “will be heard”. It is only being assigned a case number.

    American Grand Jury IS NOT in the lawsuit filing business. We do not need a lawyer.

    We ARE NOT soliciting funds for any expenses incurred.

    AGJ WAS NOT consulted before this article was released. Take it with a grain of salt.

  45. Cuvis-
    “Government of the people, by the people, for the people” has become –


  46. Sandy……………………………..
    Loved your little Marine story. This is the way things ought to be……….literally.

  47. The way it all sounds the Kentucky DNC seems to not even care about breaking Federal election laws. Hopefully at some point in the nearer future those responsible will be prosecuted; if for no other reason than to serve notice upon the DNC national, and Congress that they are also on the list.

  48. I read the comments on the last blog regarding the comments of ED DARRELL. It seems to me that he has an excellent command of our language. It would seem that he is a ROBOT and was programmed by a English PH.d. Maybe that is why it’s rhetoric lacked any sensible meaning, other than being a lot of perfact sentences that had zero meaning. In considering the fact that it is obviously an OBOT ROBOT it probably is not programmed to respond to reason,or project empathy. I personally believe that there are at least 100,000,000 of the same model which comprise the alleged Democratic Liberal Left.

  49. Zach

    I liked this part:
    The real point is not exactly how this breakup might happen. The point is that America is becoming increasing polarized between liberals and conservatives, religious and irreligious, law abiders and criminals, police and citizens, educators and parents, tax payers and deadbeats, control freaks and freedom lovers, perverts and non perverts etc. If this polarization of America continues to increase we will either have a union break up or we will soon be living under martial law.

  50. Patriot Dreamer

    Trends researcher Gerald Celente predicts “Obamageddon”:

  51. venice,

    Thanks for the link. Take a look at the top stories above, which include:

    Just 27% Favor Second Stimulus Plan This Year, 60% Oppose

    Plans for General Motors Might Run Afoul of Public Opinion

    56% Don’t Want To Pay More To Fight Global Warming

    Public Support for Sotomayor Falls After Supreme Court Reversal

    Gee, I wonder what We the People are saying about this tyrannical government…

    They want war. There is no other way to interpret the numbers other than a fascist regime, something this country will refuse to allow.

  52. Above the poll numbers that is…

  53. zachjonesishome

    JB // July 7, 2009 at 10:17 am (edit)


    I liked this part:
    The real point is not exactly how this breakup might happen. The point is that America is becoming increasing polarized between liberals and conservatives…

    Me too. Have a great day! Zach

  54. this ole dog still hunting?

  55. magna carta

    The story on right side of life & Obama file & WND about CONFLICTING reports on hospital of birth to me seems like a Drudge Report story.There are docs to back it up.How can one encourage them to run it?

  56. Looks like another lawsuit is being pursued.The Plaintiff in this one has a “new twist”.

    A new Lawsuit has been filed today. It looks good and Ken Allen said it was ok to spread it on the internet.

    Everyone should read at minimum the logic about his suit. It is very clever.

    How did Obama defend Occidental College from releasing information on Soetoro. Two different people. This is important.

    Full Text of Suit Here!!

  57. Isn’t it a scream that OB the great was taken to school by Vladimir Putin yesterday? Putin spent an hour teaching the Pres. of the US about the Cold War and how we have gotten to this place where our 2 country’s relationships stand. How demaning is that? Putin, who isn’t even the Russian leader in office, treating Obama like the clueless goof that he is. Hey to America’s -star struck -ignorant -Obama -voters: are you happy with your vote still? Americans are the laughingstock of the world because some of us were too dumb to know what we were doing during the election of this fraud. You all wanted the world to see us differently. Well you got your wish. Thanks –NOT–from the rest of us who knew better. This gets more pathetic and dangerous by the day while these clowns are in charge of our govt. Somebody please get the goods on them and kick them out.

  58. Magna Carta,

    I read that on WND last night. Very interesting. The link you attached also has an article from a HI paper that states BO was born at Queens Hospital!

    This is crazy … but, what’s new?

  59. Jonah……………………………….

    Here might be a possible path to the prize. It would seem that the FOIA could be utilised against Kapiolani Medical Center,and they would have to surrender copies of any documentation they posess of the birth of Soetoro.(obama).
    Some months back a private entity done a survey of ALL of the medical facilities that existed in the 1960s. I believe that at that time NONE had any records of birth relating to Obama. If Kapiolani Medical Center suddenly came up with alleged records, it would seem that phoney records have been planted. If they are paper records then they only need to be taken to a forensic lab to determine the AGE OF the PAPER they are printed on. This makes me wonder about the comment a few months back that Obama had a friend in the FBI who perpetrating the manufacture of a vault BC, and allegedly had a way to AGE THE PAPER ARTIFICIALLY. Contrary to that BALONEY it is not possible to age paper artificially without showing evidence of it. I spent a large portion of my life in the graphic arts industry, and involved with tons of a very wide variety of paper. This also entailed learning about the manufacturing processes involved in papermaking. Many of the seminars that I attended dealt directly with the AGING of paper. These seminars were presented by a number of paper mills, and converters. It will indeed be EASY to determine if any papers at Kapiolani are genuine or not. It takes a little more intelligence than the OBAMA GOONS posess to fool the labs. It should only take about 25 minutes. I tend to think that if they suddenly have documents that there would be cause to suspect some more forgeries. After all, if documents were found at Kapiolani then it could be assumed that Obama was born in the US. Sadly if this is what they have done then it was all in vain. His birth was not one that provided him a NBC status. His father was a Kenyan National. At that time Kenya was under administration of England. His father was born during this English administration,and is a British citizen. Since Obama’s mother was too young she could not confer US citizenship to Obama Jr. He is in reality a British subject. To my knowledge British Citizenship NEVER runs out, or expires, as the OBOTS have tried to make everybody believe. My father was also a British citizen by birth. He became a naturalised US citizen. He also retained his British citizenship which expired only upon his death in 1974. Until his death he held dual citizenship.

  60. Civis naturaliter natus

    The 2 diverse documentations of his birth place, speak to the issue of lack of any legal documentation as to where he was in fact born. This, though is a side issue IF he was in fact born in HI. If you sister does not know where you were born, there is a problem in the family. If the sister was born in Jakarta, but has a HI BC, there is a problem in the family. And its called lying…

    Some interesting observations from a thread at The Right Side of Life.

    Why did Fact Checks publish a jpg of a COLB in the first place, which bears a date long before any public question regarding his eligibility surfaced?

    Do we have any evidence that either major party ever requests potential candidates for their BC? Why would anyone ask BHO for one? Who asked back in ’07, and why did they NEED to ask?

    If Obama’s supporters were so certain he was eligible, then when the public debate began, he should have then asked for a COLB, and its date would have been when the public debate began. But it is not… ergo, someone else was doubting in private.



    “The individuals who have made this presentment were not convned by [the U.S. COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA] to sit as a grand jury nor have they been selected at random from a fair cross section of this district.

    Any self-styled indictment or presentment issued by such a group has no force under the Constitution or laws of the United States.

    As such, leave to file this present is hereby DENIED.

    Signed by Judge Royce Lamberth
    Tuesday, 2 July 2009

  62. truthbetold11

    I must say that its all been alot of distractions to whats really going on behind the scenes. Mike Jackson death although tragic fits in with the don’t let a good crisis go to waste. his death seems very strange and the timing is what gets me. Getting people off the economy and getting the black community together is what obama would call a dream crisis. Donald Young was killed for some greater cause. This just could be a bigger scale version

  63. The South, this Plaintiff might have a “new twist,” but, he is using the same flawed logic as the other cases. In this case, he predicates his entire ‘FOIA’ suit on the ‘fact,’ BO and BS are two different people and so, by asking the state to release copies of what could otherwise be characterized as personal documents, Plaintiff is not violating any privacy to which BO is entitled. He only wants documents issued in the name of BS. That is, when asked on his IL bar registration application whether he used any other names, BO answered, “No.” Plaintiff ‘cleverly’ insists this ‘fact’ must be true because, lying on this bar application would be a felony. He then wonders, so, who is BS? He says, he needs the documents requested from the government, to find out. But Plaintiff gets this all wrong.

    No evidence exists tending to establish that BO lied on his IL bar registration. So, how do we reconcile that BO did not lie about use of another name, when he has admitted going by another name, even in ‘his’ book? Well, that question on the IL bar registration the Plaintiff in this case reads to mean, list any former names used by the applicant, actually means, list any former names under which the applicant was licensed to practice law in the state of IL. BO renewed his bar license, having only been licensed under the name BO.

  64. Robert,

    Interesting. Did he explain where he came to the conclusion of:

    “Any self-styled indictment or presentment issued by such a group has no force under the Constitution or laws of the United States.”

    I’d like to see what SCROTUS has to say about this.

  65. Jacqlyn Smith

    This is way off the topic but….I just watched the Michael Jackson memorial celebration and it was truly moving and wonderful. No matter what you believe he may or may not have done…he was a master of the stage and music. I personally believe he never quite recovered from the terrible accusations against his character which meant more to him than I believe we will all ever be able to understand. His daughter’s comments at the end brought it all home that here is a little girl who loved and will miss her daddy tremendously! It was a fitting end for the KING OF POP!!! God be with him and his family!!

  66. All American Grand jurors where sworn in. There is no provision for “random” selection in the constitution nor is there is a provision to be sworn in. The Grand Jury is any group of citizen who wish investigate a potential crime, usually of government officials.

  67. Greg,

    You are correct. Since the Grand Jury is included in the Bill of Rights, but not found in any of the articles pertaining to the Judicial system, it appears just the opposite is in force:

    • Federal Grand Juries are Unconstitutional
    • Grand Juries are Constitutional

    White is black, and black is white. Man is this country has been upside down for a while.

  68. JeffM (and Everyone), please, please, please, do not confuse any of my work with work produced by anyone else concerning establishing in federal court whether BO is a NBC. To gain standing in federal court, I did propose using ‘military’ plaintiffs. However, as you can see from my November 2008 memo on the subject, wherein I first proposed this idea, I recommended using inactive military FACING DEPLOYMENT, especially NATIONAL GUARD. As I have elaborated since, on my blog, NG Plaintiffs are best because they are not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) until they are called up and federalized. Up to that point, they are subject to state authority, under the Governor of the state. Also, the complaint I proposed and drafted was for Declaratory Judgment. That is, Plaintiff would argue, I need to know whether BO is a NBC because when I enter active duty status and subject to the orders of my CIC, I could be liable for prosecution if he is not who he said he is. (In other words, Plaintiff in the Declaratory Judgment case would, in the future, become a Defendant in a criminal proceeding under the UCMJ.)

    At all times, I fashioned both my remedies and my words so as to avoid subjecting our military to further jeopardy.

  69. http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

    Just for the record Gallup agrees with Rasmussen.

  70. Looks like another lawsuit is being pursued.The Plaintiff in this one has a “new twist”.

    A new Lawsuit has been filed today. It looks good and Ken Allen said it was ok to spread it on the internet.

    Everyone should read at minimum the logic about his suit. It is very clever.

    How did Obama defend Occidental College from releasing information on Soetoro. Two different people. This is important.

    Full Text of Suit Here!!

    In other words, how can records of Barry Soetoro be suppressed, withheld, if there was never a ‘Barry Soetoro’??

  71. JJ,

    Hollister v. Soetoro confirmed the fact that Soetoro existed and has records.

    Here’s the trick, however. One must know which of his records are under Obama and which are under Soetoro.

    Ask for records under Soetoro and whichever ones come back as “does not exist” means he went under a different name at that locale. If they are “sealed” assume they exist at that locale.

    Law of deductions. We must first understand what we know and identify what we don’t know until what we don’t know is what we know.

    You know?

  72. New Article/Post/Thread has been started:


    Obanana Approval TUMBLES in OHIO:


    Poll: Obama’s approval rating in Ohio tumbles

    Tuesday,  July 7, 2009 7:51 AM
    By Joe Hallett

    “Obama’s approval rating is in a free-fall in Ohio, considered by many political observers to be the most important swing state in a presidential election. A new survey by the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute shows that only 49 percent of the state’s voters approve of the way Obama is handling his job, 13 points lower than the 62 percent who gave Obama a thumbs up in a May 6 Quinnipiac poll of Ohioans.”

  73. JeffM et. al, Hollister v. Soetoro confirmed nothing substantively, because the case was never heard. (Filing a responsive pleading is not tantamount to making an admission that for all legal purposes, Obama equals Soetoro.) Not all information is discoverable under FOIA; not all information discoverable under FOIA can be released.

    BO did not defend Occidental from releasing records. Hit with Plaintiff’s demand for records, Occidental could have maintained, through its paid attorneys, it has a legal and fiduciary obligation to maintain the privacy of it students. Or, they could have have forwarded the demand to BO’s attorneys, who could argue to the court, their client has a right to privacy. (Note: this argument on behalf of their client, BO, that he has a right to privacy, has nothing to do with arguing on behalf of Occidental that they do not have to release BO’s records.)

  74. Jacqlyn Smith,I watched the MJ thing today,and agree it was sad when his little girl was talking about her (Daddy) it brought tears to my eyes.I have to ask you ,or any body else who was watching it a question.When Ms. Jackson Lee was talking, what was the reason for talking about the Congress, and the Constitution,and about her constituents. I did’nt get what that had to do with MJ memorial. Sorry for OT.

  75. jbjb,

    All courts require one’s legal name to be used in any case filed in the District of Columbia, regardless of whether it is heard or not.

    What Soetoro’s attorneys should have done, assuming his real name was Obama, was correct his name on the suit with the court magistrate.

    Failing to provide the correct legal name to a court magistrate is considered obstruction of justice, which is a felony misdemeanor.

    Refer to United States v. Wilson, 197 F.3d 782

  76. What I meant to write was federal misdemeanor, not felony misdemeanor. My apologies.

  77. Civis naturaliter natus

    so by not correcting it, if we assume they are ethical, then they seem to admit that Soetero is or was another name for the defendent in the case?

  78. Civis naturaliter natus

    We need to find other citizens who filed FOIA and did not get responses…what documents did they ask for?

  79. Civis,

    If they are “ethical”, it was and is their duty to correct legal information regarding his identity.

    And what they just said is that both Obama and Soetoro are his legal names. One has to be the right answer. Either way he’s already shown he’s obstructed justice at least once.

  80. this ole dog don’t hunt no more

    they should appeal his ruling

    and use the basis of reasoning presented here


  81. Portuguese—Yes, we are hearing that
    BO’s ratings are dropping fast here in Ohio.
    Radio stations covering it.
    People I’ve heard talking about the lack of jobs
    and what is happening in govt. are not pleased.
    Strickland is proposing a massive cut in the
    state library funding that is causing a statewide
    furor, just one example.

  82. Maddie,

    The “rust belt” states are going to be the first to rebel. I’m predicting Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and PA are the first to watch for regarding initial outbursts of violence. They’ve all been hit incredibly hard this go around and all of you great folks in these states have absolutely had it with all the nonsense you’ve had to deal with over the past 30 years.

  83. JeffM, I posted information on this site in an effort to correct a mistaken albeit common conclusion that BO’s response to suit in the Hollister case de facto establishes, he previously used the name Soetoro. In an effort to support your contention I am wrong, you cite to a criminal case, that is, one in which the state is the ‘Plaintiff,’ and the Defendant intentionally misled the court to as to avoid prosecution. Apples and oranges.

    Again, so that people do not keep making the mistake of assuming the Hollister case proves anything to a court of law… That the Plaintiff Hollister filed suit against Defendant Soetoro; and that BO Answered the Complaint without advising the court, his ‘legal’ name is Obama, means absolutely nothing. (However, the fact BO asked the court to take judicial notice that
    FactCheck said he is for real based on that photocopied COLB, ‘proves’ to me that my suspicions, as stated in the military Complaint I had drafted several weeks earlier, are true. That is, the strongest evidence he could offer that he is a NBC is that same COLB. And I know this means nothing.)

  84. Civis naturaliter natus


    Thanks for the explanation for us who are not lawyers.

    There are those who say that a School Registration which lists his name as Barry Soetero, Indonesian citizen, is not court acceptable evidence of anything such…

    What say you?

  85. Cnn, ask me on the new post, and I will answer.

  86. Jacqlyn Smith


    Trudy // July 7, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith,I watched the MJ thing today,and agree it was sad when his little girl was talking about her (Daddy) it brought tears to my eyes.I have to ask you ,or any body else who was watching it a question.When Ms. Jackson Lee was talking, what was the reason for talking about the Congress, and the Constitution,and about her constituents. I did’nt get what that had to do with MJ memorial. Sorry for OT.

    Trudy—I think it was a black thing….she was there on behalf of the black caucus…MJ didn’t want to be black though….he bleached his skin!!

  87. BO’s raitings, i think this graph said it all.
    the exponential moving averages of the cross over on the loga….hey wait, this isn’t technical analysis OR rocket science! The poll numbers are plummeting !!


  88. Jacqlyn Smith, Thanks I just thought it was weird.

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